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00:02:27.000Dr Geoffrey Hinton said he quit to speak freely about the dangers of AI, and we'll be asking Barry Weiss later exactly what he said that is so.
00:02:37.000Yeah, he was bought on by Google a decade ago to help develop the company's AI technology.
00:02:41.000Let's see how the mainstream media color this thing.
00:02:44.000This morning, as companies race to integrate artificial intelligence into our everyday lives, one man behind that technology has resigned from Google after more than a decade.
00:02:54.000Dr. Geoffrey Hinton, known as the godfather of artificial intelligence, says he doesn't want to personify it.
00:04:04.000You are going to use, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, 80% eh?
00:04:24.000Maybe I could do me, a cuddly German shepherd, dear old loyal Dan with his bizarre ankles.
00:04:30.000But no, if you have a look at that gallery there, that's a neat, lean, sparse team.
00:04:34.000If you defrost that window, have a look.
00:04:43.000Often we are on Friday show because we want to be able to focus on Barry Weiss.
00:04:48.000We want to be able to focus on the coronation.
00:04:50.000What's funny when they talk about the coronation, let's have a look at some of the headlines, is they talk as if there's ways of making it more sensible and practical.
00:04:57.000Look at this, King Charles to do away with outdated silk stockings and breeches for coronation.
00:05:04.000One doesn't need all these outdated bridges.
00:05:07.000A simple coronation, a simple modern coronation for a modern world.
00:05:12.000The whole idea is you've been anointed by God to be the figurehead of a nation.
00:05:19.000And all of the, however you shake this down, the wealth of the royal family is accumulated through plunder over centuries.
00:05:27.000Yeah, he's not losing those stockings for budgetary reasons, is he?
00:05:30.000Let's get rid of these expensive stockings!
00:05:33.000And we all remember that phone call and some of the things he wished he was, didn't he?
00:05:44.000I'll tell you what you want to have a look on, and this is something you literally have to be careful about talking about on YouTube, because we're going to be giving you some of the best secrets about the Royals and some of the best conspiracies.
00:05:52.000If you watch that documentary, bizarrely made by Keith Allen, the actor, you might not be able to find it on YouTube, you definitely better find it on Rumble.
00:06:01.000If you have a look at Rumble, the one about Diana, what's it called?
00:07:24.000Let me know what you think about that.
00:07:26.000I don't think I would like to get into potentially murky territory around the sad and tragic death of Diana, but Keith Allen don't mind, so have a look at his documentary.
00:07:39.000I heartily recommend it. Even though, didn't you, don't you remember in the old days, you used to be able to just like,
00:07:43.000look at curiosities and things that were a bit peculiar?
00:07:46.000It's like, you know, oh, before you had to have a sort of a banal diet of pre-chewed slop, like some grey, ready-brek
00:07:53.000diet, like you're not allowed any spice or flavour.
00:07:56.000And I used to be able to like, look at things and go, well, I think that's a bit mad. I don't really agree with that.
00:08:00.000Quite a peculiar and wonderful theory, but I'm not sure that's actually true.
00:08:03.000Let's have a look at some of that evidence.
00:08:05.000You should be able to decide for yourself.
00:08:06.000The whole of censorship is underwritten by the idea that we're too bloody stupid to understand anything, and perhaps to a degree we are, because we're willing to put up with expensive ceremonies to anoint further royalty.
00:08:19.000Let's face it, the death of Queen Elizabeth II meant that this is time for a radical appraisal and review of whether or not we Even need a monarchy.
00:08:27.000And the answer to that is, no we don't, because what is a monarchy?
00:09:16.000All of the paraphernalia, pageantry and ceremony is to distract you from the bizarre fact that you're kind of worshipping an ordinary family, other than the fact that they have an extraordinary amount of wealth.
00:09:29.000Like, they're basically normal, but they've got access to a lot of wealth.
00:09:33.000Shall we have a look at his choc... What are we doing first?
00:09:57.000I mean, the whole thing is a bizarre, surrealist experience anyway.
00:10:02.000Like, if you took some hallucinogens, and I don't recommend you do, not while we're on YouTube, and obviously I'm in recovery myself, and then watched that ceremony, you would be struck by its absurdity, I think.
00:10:15.000I guess the thing about symbolism was that it was literally meant to symbolise something that they stood for, and once those values have disappeared, what is the other symbols about?
00:10:26.000So you might as well have a chocolate Charles rather than all the expensive jewels that you're going to see instead.
00:10:31.000And now we bring out the sacred chocolate head, and then Prince William and Prince Harry try to fart its ears off.
00:10:39.000There they go, the two princes, one either side, straddled.
00:10:42.000They've taken laxatives so that their rectums gape now, and they harshly blast out arsefarts.
00:10:49.000Clearly in competition with each other.
00:11:11.000Master chocolatier who put it all together, Lindsay Clark, is here.
00:11:14.000Tell me quickly about what... Tell me about... I love the medals.
00:11:17.000Yeah, we've had lots of fun using all the...
00:11:21.000Because this is actually still news and along the bottom the ticker, like all the British nationals are coming out of Sudan, evacuees and all this stuff, and they're talking about chocolate medals, which sounds like a practice that might take place in certain regions of the big city.
00:11:35.000...celebration chocolates to create the different medals from a cross-section of the bounty.
00:11:41.000Can we have a close-up of the medals and then we can talk about them?
00:12:00.000What is happening to our world when you know that we are kind of surrounded on all sides by so forth?
00:12:07.000Like they could be talking about For example, the US encircling China and provoking China in a variety of ways, presumably in order to facilitate military-industrial complex hegemony and your taxpayer dollars, if indeed you are American, for many more years of contention and agitation.
00:12:29.000Well, they will kind of talk about it, but they'll talk about it as Chinese aggression rather than US aggression.
00:12:34.000We'll kind of talk about it while sort of scrutinizing the chocolate medals of a confectionary king.
00:12:41.000It's funny that it's life-size as well.
00:12:42.000Like, there's literally no... Unless you are aiming to maybe replace Charles with this, what's the point in doing a life-size?
00:12:49.000Just do, like, a little chocolate... It's just a token, isn't it?
00:13:41.000I did like that fact about the sovereign grant.
00:13:43.000So the sovereign grant is what the royal family get from the taxpayer, so it's 86 million a year, but it can exceed 369 million if the palace urgently requires 30 more clocks.
00:13:53.000Which, you know, obviously sometimes a palace will require 30 more clocks, so that's when it goes up, what they need.
00:14:29.000I mean, why would you ever listen to a member of the royal family talking about poverty or inequality or really the environment or anything when that kind of imbalance in power It's what creates many of the world's problems.
00:14:45.000Yeah, I mean, that's the WEF all over.
00:14:47.000And when he's involved in things like that, you have to question.
00:14:50.000I mean, that's literally what they do.
00:14:51.000They're greenwashing themselves, or whitewashing, or whatever phrase you want to use.
00:14:57.000They're chocolatewashing themselves into a state of adorability, of sugary deliciousness.
00:15:02.000Let's go back to old Chocolate Charlie and see what else they're saying, because, like, I'd like to know, these medals that they're recreating in Bounty Bars and Mars Bars and whatnot, I bet they're for, like, sort of, valour.
00:15:55.000Here are some secrets about the royal family.
00:15:58.000They're... Oh, look, here are the... No, there's what the medics... There they are.
00:16:02.000Awarded to those who provided outstanding service, most noble order... The Royal Air Force Wings, most ancient and most noble order of the thistle.
00:16:43.000That's some unfortunate photographs right there.
00:16:45.000So whether it's being secretly Nazi, passing laws, costing billions or hiding people as a result of their mental health, the royal family has got something for everyone.
00:16:57.000They're still adored even in the colonies.
00:16:59.000Have a look at this Australian lady who's filled her whole life with extraordinary paraphernalia that celebrates royalty and pay particular attention to the overwhelming presence of Lady Diana, who cannot be forgotten.
00:17:59.000What it is about the Royals is you've got to carefully control a narrative.
00:18:03.000You've got to cultivate an idea and an image that makes it acceptable to have something so antiquated and outmoded at the centre of a society to continually distract people that not...
00:18:14.000Only that the institution in itself is against your interests because of the concentration of wealth, but what it represents systemically is against your interests.
00:18:25.000Now remember, I'm not talking about equality of outcomes, because I know you frantic little JP fans are typing away with everything you've got, but what I'm talking about is the kind of inequality that can only occur when you have imperialism, colonialism and its modern day replacement Globalism.
00:18:40.000You can't accrue that amount of wealth without piracy, without imperialism, without slavery.
00:18:47.000So when people are talking about historic reparations, they should start looking at deep, entrenched historic power, like the British monarchy.
00:18:56.000And other very, very powerful organizations and groups that have accrued comparable amounts of wealth.
00:19:02.000You can easily find out who they are just at a glance.
00:19:05.000So what we're all engaged in when we're talking about inequality and various cultural arguments that I believe are significant and important and ought be resolved through tolerance and love and acceptance of all forms of identification, including traditional ones that often apply to the native populations of anglophonic countries, for example, is tolerance and love.
00:19:25.000As long as you are continuing to advocate for this sort of living Disney world, this Disneyfication of culture, then people can't sort of awaken.
00:19:35.000And I talk about this as like, my family really, like literally my wife loves the royal family, my grandmother, God rest their soul, Love the royal family.
00:19:45.000I felt personally sad when the Queen died because of the set of values she represented.
00:19:50.000Like you said, Gareth, the point of them is to somehow represent, like a flag or a constitution or an altar, a set of values.
00:20:00.000What seems to be happening over time is the values are getting extracted, but the ability to accrue power and subjugate the majority is remaining.
00:20:11.000Well, there's another thing that we were watching earlier about the fact that they're going to still try and use the same chair that almost all the coronations have been done on, and when you see it, it's all knackered, and it's, again, it's kind of like a symbol of the decay of the institution, isn't it?
00:20:28.000It should have been, like, when that chair stopped being useful, when people started to use, like, bits of glue to try and make it function, it's like, it's not functioning, is it?
00:20:58.000In Charles, King Charles and Joe Biden, in a sense, for all of the talk of progressivism, environmentalism, identity politics, and the necessary conversation to resolve historic exploitation, abuse, and neglect of certain communities exploited for imperialism, colonialism, and different sets of privilege, etc.
00:21:20.000Still, at the center of it, what have you got?
00:22:18.000I mean, now you've got the kind of updated roles in the form of, I guess, like, Will and Kate.
00:22:24.000But nothing other than the things that they say and the way that they're rendered through the press and the charities that they belong to and all that.
00:23:06.000It's like they're never going to change that.
00:23:07.000And the same, even though we're obviously being frivolous, the same conversation exists in American politics.
00:23:12.000We're talking about adjustments of cultural language, adjustment in the social dynamics, but no one's like saying, what should we do about the relationship between the government and Wall Street?
00:23:21.000What should we do about the relationship between Congress and the Ministry of Industrial Complex?
00:24:00.000I think we can do a little bit better than that.
00:24:02.000If you were having a sort of a ground floor up review, sort of a page one rewrite, you'd go, OK, well, surely we should have systems of government that aren't entirely beholden to corporate interests.
00:24:12.000Surely there's no point in having institutional symbols that embody absolute inequality and corruption and piracy and plunder and slaughter.
00:24:22.000You could probably, jewel by jewel, go through the crown that's going to be put on his head and then point out a country that's been exploited.
00:24:36.000This is what I find interesting about certain aspects of what is regarded as the culture war.
00:24:42.000That if you take down statues of, say, Edward Colston, who was a slave trader who had a statue in Bristol, say.
00:24:49.000Like, it's like, yeah, take down that statue.
00:24:51.000Now let's start looking at what other emblems of that power.
00:24:54.000In the end, it runs right through all power.
00:24:57.000Right through, like, you know, they started with sort of Confederate generals, didn't they, in the United States?
00:25:02.000But pretty soon, you have to, you're at Washington, and Lincoln, and Jefferson, like, you have to say, okay, alright, this whole thing is founded, ultimately.
00:25:10.000Look, that's not about American ingenuity or British pluck.
00:25:15.000We all know American people and see their spirit, whether they're Italian, African, Irish American, don't matter.
00:25:21.000You see people that have come over with a dream and worked hard and built stuff.
00:25:25.000And those are the people whose businesses get crushed during the pandemic while wealth gets centralised.
00:25:29.000And meanwhile, we're caught up in some cultural war claptrap.
00:25:32.000Not Claptrap, I don't mean to be dismissive about permutations of the civil rights movement.
00:25:36.000What I mean to say is that while we are mired in that, we are unable to make the progress that is necessary and could be facilitated by new alliances and essentially accepting decentralized power as the way forward.
00:25:51.000Then people with different views can have different systems, like how we are evolved to have.
00:26:10.000This is ways in which the richest family, what, in the world, with almost a sixth of the land on the Earth's surface, are literally controlling the laws of the land.
00:26:22.000What do you think the secretive procedure is?
00:26:24.000Do you think it's like when Tony Soprano meets someone down a shoe shop?
00:26:27.000Do you think they meet in a chocolate factory?
00:26:29.000I think it involves those britches and stockings.
00:26:31.000Gonna try on some new britches down at the chocolate factory.
00:26:34.000Oh God, I've got Mars bar up me stockings!
00:26:38.000Right, listen, don't do that bloody law there where we have to pay our taxes.
00:27:30.000I hate that ordinary people suffered and all that you know the YouTube funerals and not being able to go and visit people in hospitals and missing your kid being born and all that kind of stuff and the tragedy and how hard people in various health facilities around the world worked and how people in New York City 34,000 health workers lost their jobs because they didn't want to get vaccinated and the fact that over in our country britain nurses were celebrated deified they drew rainbows on the windows everyone drew rainbows on the windows and now Nurses are striking because they can't get a decent pay rise, and junior doctors, that means that doctors obviously earlier in their qualification process can't get a pay rise.
00:28:05.000People, like, the whole thing is the same.
00:29:54.000I've thought about it, I mean, since reading this, you know, I mean, like, we have some different ideas.
00:29:59.000Exactly like you said then, it's like, you don't want to, you, you have to consider all the people that died, you have to consider all the funerals, you, those, it's paramount that you consider them, it's hugely important.
00:30:09.000But I will admit that when I see a story like this and then I think about something that personally happened to me over the last six months a year, you do start to wonder a little bit.
00:31:34.000I don't know what you're going through.
00:31:35.000You have, like, older relatives and all that, that you were around all of that time and, like, yeah, it's different.
00:31:39.000I think even some of the most vocal critics, certainly the ones like Rand Paul and people like that, have said that there is a demographic of people that needed it and that maybe there isn't a demographic that continues to need it.
00:31:53.000Because of the boosters and all those kind of things and how effective they are with what we're told they are, when literally we do have the knowledge that the boosters were being brought out by Moderna, certainly I know of Moderna, that weren't any more effective than the ones that already existed.
00:32:09.000So you can't, that is true, he's not lying in these congressional hearings when he says things like that.
00:32:15.000But you know and so I think those things do have all to be factored in.
00:32:19.000And actually that too is a mentality that can be applied more broadly in fact I would say almost universally to any issue that if you When you're speaking to someone, you have to recognise they might have a different perspective from you, for a reason.
00:32:37.000Therefore, immediately, I think almost, you arrive at the point where if some kind of centralised authority is necessary, it absolutely must be consensual, it absolutely must have been achieved democratically, because otherwise what you have is Authoritarianism that is not derived from consent or mandate by the people and therefore is likely to have some other motivation behind it.
00:33:02.000It's not bad that we've got to this place when a minute ago we were just talking about chocolate bar medallions.
00:33:07.000So we've gotten away from where the mainstream media wants us, um, mired intellectually.
00:33:11.000So, COVID vaccine recipients have reported persistent ringing in their ears after getting the shot.
00:33:15.000Scientists are still investigating the connection.
00:33:17.000The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention maintains that data does not support a link between the vaccines and the condition known as tinnitus.
00:33:25.000But the problem has become persistent and widespread enough to merit more attention.
00:33:28.000Over 16,000 vaccine takes in the US have reported some form of tinnitus after getting the shots.
00:33:33.000In a way, what The playbook appears to be, more laterally, that because it is possible, albeit with some challenges, to report stuff like this as it arises, and like even right early in the pandemic people were saying, oh I'm not sure about these vaccines, why have they got indemnity, how can they have clinically trialled them, particularly for transmission and all of that, like right at the beginning that stuff was happening.
00:33:55.000I think that the playbook is, well even though people have an awareness They will never be certain, because there are so many strong, central, bombastic counter-arguments.
00:34:09.000And over time, people just can't hold on to the outrage.
00:34:14.000Like now it's Ukraine and Russia, soon it's going to be China and Taiwan.
00:34:19.000Hey wait a minute, NATO, there was a coup in 2014, there was a battalion of Nazis, forget that baby, we're in Taiwan now, encircling China, and you can't hold on to it.
00:34:31.000No, and you know, the way in which people are dismissed for having doubts and smeared in the ways that they were, is unforgivable.
00:34:38.000You know, it wasn't done in the right way.
00:34:41.000You can't dismiss People's feelings about things like this, people's doubts, people's doubts and mistrust of authority from the things that they've been told, and then when more things start to come out that back up the things they're saying, and people are still smeared and dismissed.
00:34:56.000I mean, in our country, Brexit happened, everyone who voted for Brexit was called a racist.
00:35:01.000It's not the way to speak to and communicate with A population.
00:35:08.000And they did it in the media, they did it in the government, and the same thing has kind of happened and is playing out each time these things, each time someone says, I'm not sure about continuing to send weapons to Ukraine, I'm not sure about all the, you know, continuation of this war, and that's a pattern now that is not going to get us anywhere.
00:35:28.000No, let us know what you think about that in the comments guys, please.
00:35:32.000Let us know how you feel about being addressed in that way, and let us know personally where you stand on the idea of being able to have open discourse with people you disagree with.
00:35:41.000Try and think of the issues that outrage you most.
00:35:46.000Is it centralized political corruption?
00:35:48.000Let us know, and are you willing to listen to alternative views?
00:35:51.000Now, Gareth and I have worked very hard to put together this presentation.
00:35:55.000We're going to be taking a deep, analytical, almost granular look at a news story from this week and presenting it to you in a way that is both amusing and informative.
00:36:26.000Where Biden and Jen Psaki, people that have worked for media, people that have worked
00:36:30.000for government, can cosy up and celebrate how free our speech is.
00:36:34.000Have you noticed any censorship anywhere lately?
00:36:38.000You're aware aren't you that the White House press conference dinner was a great orgasmic gala of agreement that what a free wonderful world we're all living in together meanwhile there's no one mentioned Julian Assange or Jamal Khashoggi or the fact that we're continually being censored and there's such limited freedom of speech.
00:36:57.000Unless we have access to you as an audience, unless we have integrity between us, I think we're all in a great deal of trouble.
00:37:06.000You remember when Jen Psaki was the press spokesperson for the White House, where every day during COVID or whatever, she'd turn up and say, oh, this is what we're doing and this is what we're not doing.
00:37:32.000In spite of the fact that at that White House press conference dinner it was like, oh you hold us to account.
00:37:37.000Jefferson said if it was a free speech or government you'd take free speech and free press over government.
00:37:42.000Well that ain't what we're discussing here.
00:37:45.000What we're discussing is government and media that One of the fun parts, if you will, of the responsibilities of the White House Correspondents Association is this dinner.
00:37:54.000April 29th, the White House Correspondents Association dinner is happening.
00:37:58.000Leave me a comment and let me know in the chat if you don't.
00:38:00.000Have a look at this, because this is going to knock your knickers down, mate.
00:38:03.000One of the fun parts, if you will, of the responsibilities of the White House Correspondents
00:38:47.000Not mentioning increased censorship laws by all sorts of means.
00:38:51.000Not mentioning that the mainstream media makes more money from selling your data now than it does from telling you the truth.
00:38:58.000Not mentioning, as Elon Musk famously did on Twitter, that many of these organizations receive significant funding from the government and are happy to parrot their line on most subjects.
00:39:32.000Like all the respect and honour that the New York Times showed to the story of Jack Tech's era, the New York Times collaborated with the FBI and the CIA.
00:39:42.000This is not a situation where the word honour should be on everybody's lips.
00:39:46.000The taste of disgust should be in all of our mouths.
00:39:48.000And it shows that in a democracy you can disagree.
00:39:54.000You can get that all out in the funny part of your speech.
00:39:57.000And oftentimes the speech that a president delivers is one that has all sorts of funny
00:40:04.000critiques or funny jokes about media organizations.
00:40:07.000Didn't notice any funny jokes about Hunter Biden's laptop, a story that was kept out of the mainstream media in the build-up to the election.
00:40:13.000In fact, the CIA, the deep state, were utilised to help repress and discredit that information before its revelation.
00:40:20.000The idea that what we have is a free media and a transparent government is plainly risible.
00:40:25.000And if you are looking for evidence of that fact, look no further than Edward Snowden, still exiled in Russia because he Heroically revealed that we were being lied to and spied on to an unprecedented degree.
00:40:38.000It's my country, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, all collaborating and sharing information.
00:40:44.000What's been revealed is we have anything but transparency, anything but press freedom.
00:40:48.000Probably gets them some things off their chest.
00:40:50.000By the way, those speeches take years off of your life.
00:40:53.000If you're in the press or communications office, it's hard to deliver a funny speech.
00:40:56.000But a good chunk of the speech is also on the value of media.
00:41:01.000They're trying to keep it like this is a friendly, jocular communication between power and those that report on power, and that the tone of this, this friendly, communicative, apparently transparent tone, tells us that everything's okay.
00:41:15.000You know that if you speak out against the interests of the powerful, you are going to get in serious trouble.
00:41:20.000We on this channel are extremely cautious about the types of information that we use and the way that we convey it just so that we can keep the lights on.
00:41:28.000And freedom of press and how important it is to a democracy.
00:41:31.000And it is honouring the work, the blood, sweat and tears of the people in the room.
00:41:37.000Well, I'll tell you some blood, sweat and tears that you could be honoring.
00:42:01.000And especially, I mean, given the I think we often forget here in America, because There is a free press, a fair press, the cornerstone of our democracy.
00:42:11.000Free speech, very cornerstone of our democracy.
00:42:14.000It's not like new ways to censor misinformation, disinformation, malinformation are literally being created before our very eyes.
00:42:20.000It's not like we've just had the Twitter file revelations that shows you the degree to which the CIA and FBI have infiltrated not only social media but presumably mainstream media as well in order to dictate narratives and suppress narratives that they don't like.
00:42:32.000Even, as has now been admitted, repressing and censoring true information that they did not like.
00:42:37.000You can't sit on the TV and say all of this stuff unless, of course, you yourself are part of that propaganda.
00:42:43.000Cornerstone of our democracy is that journalists can ask the most powerful people in America, whether they be presidents or CEOs, some of the toughest questions.
00:42:51.000As long as you give them those tough questions in advance.
00:42:54.000Hey, we're gonna be asking you some pretty tough questions!
00:43:15.000It'd be good if the countries where the journalists are being trampled on aligned with countries that the US imperialist system wanted to invade anyway, wouldn't it?
00:43:24.000But that'll be just too much of a coincidence if the exact countries that America have been planning to invade were also the ones about freedom.
00:43:32.000Right, and in fact when it's adversarial... Adversarial?
00:43:35.000The only adversarialism will come if they scratch each other's back too hard or if you feel a bit of a tooth during fellatio.
00:43:41.000There's no adversity between the press and power.
00:43:44.000They're working together to keep us spellbound.
00:43:46.000Let me know in the chat in the comments if you agree.
00:43:48.000Sometimes in the briefing room at the State Department or the Defense Department or the White House or with spokespeople for the Vice President and others.
00:43:57.000That is the reporters being able to push back on a spokesperson, ask them tough questions, right?
00:44:02.000The only times they push back, you finish the joke.
00:44:05.000And the spokesperson can sometimes push back at them and try to provide information to the best of their ability.
00:44:10.000That does not exist in China or Russia or a lot of other authoritarian countries.
00:44:15.000That's convenient because actually we're having a proxy war with Russia that's quite profitable and we're looking to start a proxy war with China that will also be profitable.
00:44:28.000Yeah, even those moments of adversarialness, like when Julian Assange, for example, he did Belmarsh, slowly atrophying and dying, squinting into his dark cell.
00:44:38.000And when Jamal Khashoggi's being sworn up in an embassy and we're told that Saudi Arabia will be made a pariah before Joe Biden goes over there and fist bumps, that is democracy working.
00:44:49.000Edward Snowden shivering away there in Russia.
00:44:55.000And when people are getting kicked off YouTube for having conversations, that is democracy working.
00:45:00.000Democracy is working so well, we should go around the world finding places that don't have it and force them to have it whether they want it or not.
00:45:26.000The current Press Secretary Corinne Jean-Pierre is a former analyst for NBC News and MSNBC and the last Press Secretary Jen Psaki, that was Jen there, now has her own show on MSNBC.
00:45:36.000Prior to her stint as White House Press Secretary, Psaki worked as a CNN analyst and before that
00:45:40.000she was spokesperson for the State Department, so she moved effortlessly between the state
00:45:44.000and MSNBC and CNN and back to the state, all the while rigorously questioning, oh no, come
00:45:50.000on, let's really give these guys hell, oh no, back over here.
00:45:53.000Everywhere you look you can find extensive entanglements between the US government and
00:45:57.000the news media outlets that Westerners look to for information about the world.
00:46:01.000And that's before you even get into the way the plutocratic class, which owns and influences
00:46:05.000the US media is also not meaningfully separate from the US government.
00:46:09.000When corporations are part of the government, corporate media is state media.
00:46:13.000And that, my dear, dear friend, if you ask me, is closer to fascism than any of the other things you hear described as fascism by that portion of the media.
00:46:23.000Now let's focus on the celebratory tone that's deployed when talking about freedom of press, freedom of speech in bad countries like China and Russia and observe carefully what actually happens if you are a journalist that speaks out against power.
00:46:38.000The annual dinner of the White House Correspondents Association is an occasion for the media elite and top politicians in Washington to schmooze and declare their mutual solidarity.
00:46:58.000Otherwise, the whole way through that White House press conference dinner, they'd be going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Julian Assange, Jamal Khashoggi, what's going on?
00:47:03.000The censorship, misinformation, setting up new ways of controlling it.
00:47:07.000Is it right that we're even selling the private information about our audience without making it clear to them that's what we're doing?
00:47:11.000Why are platforms like Rumble being shut down in France?
00:47:14.000Why can't Russia Today be viewed and people decide for themselves whether it's propaganda?
00:47:19.000I don't know what it is, you let me know what it is, but it ain't freedom of speech.
00:47:22.000This is usually couched in the language of defence of the First Amendment, although that constitutional provision has been systematically trampled on by administration after administration in the interests of American imperialism, such as the current war, I would contest, between Ukraine and Russia.
00:47:36.000Is that being used for imperial corporate American interests?
00:47:39.000Sort of looks like it when you look at the way that the Pentagon budget ends up being apportioned out.
00:47:44.000And what about the semiconductor war that's being agitated for involving Taiwan and China?
00:47:48.000Illegal government spying, police violence, data capture, censorship and a rise in protest laws are everyday practices in America and the corporate media generally passes over them in silence as long as its own financial interests are not harmed.
00:48:01.000The reason that the media is not attacking the state and other corporations on these matters is because they are able to carry on sitting behind desks, drinking from a mug, all cozy, all happy, no problem.
00:48:13.000There was more than the usual measure of such hypocrisy at Saturday night's annual dinner of the White House Correspondents Association as President Joe Biden and the assembled members of the political and media elite pretended to defend freedom of the press, but only when it serves the foreign policy interests of American imperialism.
00:48:28.000In a way, it's just like the Met Gala.
00:48:29.000People just dressed up, celebrating stuff that's nothing to do with what's actually happening.
00:48:34.000and is doubling down on the systems of nihilism and deceit that govern our valueless culture as we slide into some kind of moral oblivion and potentially other types of cultural and maybe even ecological oblivion as well.
00:48:48.000Most presidential appearances at the dinner attended by every president in recent years except Donald Trump have been characterized by scripted remarks making fun of the audience, the president's political opponents and critics, and the president himself.
00:49:00.000But Biden devoted the bulk of his remarks to a lengthy declaration of his opposition to the repressive measures taken against journalists in Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and Venezuela.
00:49:10.000Sometimes I've heard of those countries.
00:49:21.000They're freedom-hating and undemocratic, I think, is what it is.
00:49:23.000Let me know in the chat what you think it is.
00:49:25.000And pledges to devote US diplomatic efforts to winning the release of Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovitz recently arrested on bogus spying charges in Russia and other American prisoners of the Putin regime.
00:49:41.000The coincidence between the list of countries guilty of violating press freedom and the list of countries targeted by American imperialism for subversion and overthrow was obvious.
00:50:11.000Right, so check it out that night where Biden was all cozy and kooky and funny and cute.
00:50:15.000I love NPR because they whisper into the mic like I do.
00:50:20.000Check this, Biden made no reference, for example, to the murder of Washington Post commentator Jamal Khashoggi, killed and dismembered inside the consulate of Saudi Arabia in the Turkish city of Istanbul.
00:50:32.000That's a pretty bad thing to happen to a journalist, I think.
00:50:35.000Remember, please try to remember that when Biden was campaigning for the presidency, he said Make them in fact the pariah that they are.
00:50:44.000But then remember in government they did not do that.
00:50:46.000This kind of madness where you have a whole evening dedicated to freedom of the press and you don't mention Julian Assange or Jamal Khashoggi, what is it trying to make you go mad or something?
00:50:56.000Khashoggi, an advisor turned critic of the Saudi monarchy, was targeted by the de facto Saudi ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, whose security chief sent the hit squad and directed its actions.
00:51:06.000Well, I only sent a security chief and directed its actions.
00:51:10.000Other than that, I had nothing to do with that murder and dismemberment.
00:51:41.000Well, both of you, because you're both Fucking liars.
00:51:43.000But the most obvious case of a double standard was the one that involves the Biden administration directly, the persecution of Julian Assange.
00:51:50.000Now I've heard people say that Julian Assange is like a right-wing issue now.
00:51:53.000Julian Assange revealed that there was malfeasance in the Middle Eastern wars, that civilians were killed, that you can't trust your government, that you're being spied on, lied to.
00:52:13.000The formulation seemed a perverse restatement of a declaration issued by a half dozen major world newspapers, including the New York Times last December, when they called on the Biden administration to drop charges against Assange because publishing is not a crime.
00:52:25.000And if it were, they'd be guilty of it.
00:52:27.000But how the New York Times backing up that claim that Assange should not have to endure the espionage charges leveled against him because publishing is not a crime.
00:52:36.000It is noteworthy that in their coverage of the correspondence dinner, neither the Times nor the Washington Post or any other mainstream publication made any mention of Assange or the contradiction between Biden's declaration of fidelity to the First Amendment and the continued drive of his administration to extradite and jail Assange, who published information.
00:52:54.000They didn't mention it because what they're doing, what they're continually doing, is establishing the frame of what can be talked about and what is not allowed to be talked about.
00:53:11.000Seven Democratic members of Congress, including all five members of the Democratic Socialists of America, recently sent a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland urging him to drop prosecution of Assange.
00:53:21.000None of these representatives sought to raise the issue at the correspondents' dinner, which took place only four days before World Press Freedom Day, as designated by the United Nations.
00:53:30.000Did you know it was World Press Freedom Day?
00:53:32.000And to celebrate World Press Freedom Day, we are gonna chop up the Saudi Arabian journalist in a little bit.
00:53:38.000And this Australian journalist, we're gonna leave him in prison.
00:53:41.000And this doctor on YouTube, we're gonna ban him for a week.
00:53:45.000Also, anyone, anywhere, who tries to say anything that could impede our ability to colonize not only the world and its resources, but also the consciousness of its inhabitants, will go to jail.
00:54:30.000The Times, which sets the agenda for the daily coverage in the American media, is little more than an adjunct to the CIA and Pentagon on national security issues, particularly the war in Ukraine.
00:54:40.000And we now know why, because there's deep infiltration, and in some cases, funding, and there's an alliance of ideologies, and it's simply not separate.
00:54:49.000When National Guard airman and IT specialist Jack Buddy Boy, as they call him, Texera, released top-secret Pentagon documents on the Internet, The Times tracked him down and published his name, enabling the FBI to swoop in and arrest the 21-year-old soldier only hours later.
00:55:18.000Biden's paean to the American media and his declaration of devotion to the First Amendment were followed by a series of obvious and banal jokes, largely at the expense of Fox News.
00:55:27.000Fox News owned by Dominion Voting Systems.
00:55:40.000As though that was the only issue standing in the way of his re-election campaign.
00:55:44.000He made no mention of the war in Ukraine, which every day threatens to escalate into a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia, which remains a deadly threat to the world's population.
00:55:53.000Possibly because it would have ruined the vibe, along with any mentions of Assange, Khashoggi, or the truth more broadly.
00:56:00.000But here, on our channel, We have an obligation to try to get in the mud with you and understand what the hell is happening.
00:56:07.000Why is our felt daily emotional reality so different from what they're telling us?
00:56:11.000Whether you're watching the Met Gala or seeing people getting banned or seeing people getting smeared or listening to people telling you how free you are and how much freedom of speech you've got.
00:56:18.000Why does your feeling of reality not match this peculiar matrix that they are encircling us with and closing down around us?
00:56:32.000And one of the ways that they stifle change is by controlling the media space and what's permissible to discuss within it.
00:56:38.000What I believe is that we need more free media spaces like this.
00:56:41.000We need more ability to openly communicate so we discover how similar to one another we are, where it matters, and that our differences from one another are quite, quite glorious.
00:57:43.000And I should add, by the way, that building the company alongside some of my close friends and also my wife, a journalist that I met at the New York Times, who also left to do this with me.
00:58:19.000I don't know what you're using, Benadryl?
00:58:22.000Hey Barry, I wanted to ask you some questions about the news but afterwards I'd like to talk to you about how you're convincing your daughter to sleep that long.
00:58:31.000Mate, I wanted to ask about firstly a little bit about That dude quitting Google and everything, Geoffrey Hinton and your conversation with him and whether you learned anything more detailed about his concerns around AI.
00:59:00.000The guy that left Google on the podcast I had on Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, which is the company that runs ChachiBT.
00:59:07.000And the title of the podcast, I think, summarizes where a lot of people are thinking this goes, you know, is AI the end of the world or is it the dawn of a new one?
00:59:16.000There's a tremendous amount of hyperbole.
01:00:02.000Something like a few months ago, ChatGPT4 was unveiled.
01:00:05.000A hundred million people are using that app every day, and it's already changing the way that people work, the way they do research, the way they cheat on tests in college.
01:00:15.000News organizations have announced that they're getting rid of certain jobs because they're already outsourcing them to this technology.
01:00:21.000It's already proven its use, which is extremely exciting and also extremely unnerving.
01:00:28.000There's an economist that I love named Tyler Cowen, who writes this incredible blog, Marginal Revolution, if your listeners aren't aware of it.
01:00:35.000And he had this incredibly succinct, excellent post about this, where he basically says, as much as we have believed that the internet was a seismic technological revolution, The truth is, is that most of us that are alive, save very, very old people that lived through, you know, World War II and the advent of nuclear weapons, we really haven't lived through a fundamental technological revolution.
01:00:59.000We haven't lived through what he calls moving history, where we're actually feeling like the tectonic plates shift.
01:01:08.000And as human beings who are only able to think so far into the future, it's really scary.
01:01:14.000But probably the cavemen who watched their neighbor invent fire felt the same way.
01:01:18.000They probably thought, holy shit, this thing allows us to cook food and stay warm, but also holy shit, someone can come and burn our whole village to the ground.
01:01:27.000In other words, Every single time this new technology comes into being, there's a kind of moral panic around it, right?
01:01:34.000There's this really amazing newsletter called Pessimist Archive, and they keep track of the panics that are the reaction to new technology.
01:01:42.000I read one the other day where it was like, it was a poem that they unearthed from 250 BC, freaking out about the sundial.
01:02:25.000The question is, who is going to do it and what are the guardrails going to be around it?
01:02:29.000And those, I think, are the real pressing questions that some of the smartest people in the world, way smarter than me, are grappling with right now.
01:02:36.000One of them being the CEO of OpenAI, Sam Altman.
01:02:40.000It's interesting because when you talk about regulation with something like this it can sometimes seem to be at odds with where we might stand elsewhere on the subject of censorship but I've heard people say that if this isn't like that Elon Musk for example said this It ought be regulated and it's not regulated and now I know that when people talk about regulation elsewhere within social media the problem ends up being that it's not about regulation of monopolies it's regulation of it ends up being censorship of free speech essentially.
01:03:16.000I'm fascinated Barry to hear you say that this is a seismic shift and it is epochal and that you don't think that oh everyone having a phone in their pocket represents that or the ability to be contacted the whole time you think this is beyond that because this is beyond utility because it can actually transform it's not like well it's just a tool we use it can become a tool that uses us is this what you're saying
01:03:40.000I mean, that is what I'm increasingly convinced by.
01:03:48.000When everyone was freaking out about Bitcoin and crypto in the beginning of the pandemic, I went and bought $10,000 and then promptly lost my password forever, thus losing the $10,000.
01:04:12.000Far be it for me to suggest that the phone in my pocket that contains more computing power than, you know, what sent rockets to the moon.
01:04:20.000I mean, of course I'm blown away by it.
01:04:22.000I'm just saying that this thing, in its very, very short few months, has already proven to be extraordinarily transformative.
01:04:32.000And so I'm not saying that the internet and the fact that we're talking through a screen right now, and I'm in LA and you're in the UK, it's unbelievable.
01:04:40.000I'm just suggesting that this has the ability to be perhaps even more unbelievable, and people that are more sophisticated than me are suggesting so, and so I think it's incumbent upon all of us to learn about it.
01:04:52.000Now, as for the question of regulation and censorship, that really, really scares me.
01:04:57.000I mean, go in there and ask—other people have done this, but go in there and type something controversial into chat, type in, tell me
01:05:04.000about now, type in, tell me about Jordan Peterson. You'll immediately see that because, you
01:05:09.000know, because all technology is ultimately created by human beings, that it has biases
01:05:14.000and unlike Twitter, right, where we could go into the archive, because Elon Musk, you know,
01:05:19.000allowed journalists into the archive, of course, through the Twitter files.
01:05:22.000We could see the choices they were making.
01:05:25.000This thing is built on a text corpus of billions and billions of texts, articles, books, documents, lyrics.
01:05:44.000The other thing that's worrisome, as we saw in the Twitter files, the amazing Twitter files hearings, where Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger went before Congress, and we saw, you know, an incredible display, let's say, by some American politicians who didn't know what Substack was, who asked if me and Matt and Schellenberger were in a threesome.
01:06:04.000Like, do we really trust the people who don't know what Substack is to regulate You know, chat GPT and open AI, like, I don't even know if they know what a modem is, or know how the internet works.
01:06:16.000And so that I think is, is really worrisome to me.
01:06:19.000And so there are people who are suggesting other kinds of, you know, Sam Altman, CEO of open AI suggests that maybe he should be the head ultimately of open AI, maybe that's a position that should be democratically elected, because that's how significant and important it will be.
01:06:35.000So You know, the jury's out, but when I look at the people who are in Washington and their average age, frankly, the idea of them regulating this technology is worrisome to me.
01:06:47.000When we have, in the media landscape, cosy relationships, as evidenced between the recent White House correspondents' dinner, and then adversarial, aggressive, punitive relationships, as the aforementioned Tybee Schellenberger a congressional hearing suggests. What do you think this
01:07:07.000tells us about the shifting landscape between the media and the powerful? In particular,
01:07:15.000I'm noting Matt Taibbi's IRS visit, the threat with jail for perjury or whatever. How do
01:07:23.000you feel, Barry, operating in a comparable space and both of Matt Taibbi being a peer
01:07:31.000I think it is the job of journalists to hold power to account and do that even when it's
01:07:39.000politically inconvenient for your side.
01:07:42.000You know, I think that Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger, me, we're never going to be invited to the White House Correspondents Dinner.
01:07:49.000And I'm okay with that, because when I became a journalist, I didn't do it for the money, I didn't do it for the accolades, and I didn't do it so that I could, you know, drink champagne next to powerful people.
01:08:01.000I did it because it's a vocation that allows you to pursue your curiosity and in which you get, you know, a salary to take your flashlight and look into the darkest corners, into the kind of corners that the powers that be don't want you to look.
01:08:18.000So, you know, when I see the IRS seemingly being weaponized against someone like Matt Taibbi, I think that that is something that every single journalist in this country Whether they work for an independent site, whether they write for a substack, whether they work at the Washington Post or the New York Times, should be absolutely up in arms about that.
01:08:37.000And I think it tells you something really concerning about the state of the legacy press in this country that, you know, the Wall Street Journal thankfully had an editorial, but there should have been editorials about that visit in every single newspaper across the West, in my view.
01:08:52.000Why isn't Biden likely to conduct primary debates?
01:08:58.000I think many of us would be interested to hear debates between, for example, Robert F Kennedy and Biden, and Marianne Williamson's doing pretty well also.
01:09:09.000Why is the Democrat party becoming so censorial, so afraid of conversation?
01:09:18.000Well, look, it tells you a lot about the popularity of Joe Biden among voters, that Marianne Williamson is polling at something like 9 or 10%, and RFK Jr., who announced like two weeks ago, I think, is polling at something like 20% already.
01:09:34.000Who knows what will happen when Gavin Newsom, California governor, maybe is reportedly maybe going to get to the race at some point.
01:09:39.000People realize that Joe Biden, though he won the last election, is getting slipped the questions in press conferences before, you know, to sort of be prepped.
01:09:52.000He's someone that they're sort of, I don't want to say hiding, but trying to protect from the probing questions of the press as much as possible.
01:10:03.000Well, for all of those reasons, how do you think he would fare in a debate against Marianne Williamson, RFK, and to say nothing of other people that might join the race?
01:10:12.000So essentially, you have someone in a position of power that's being protected.
01:10:17.000You have a relationship between the mainstream press and the government that is consensual, as we saw with a recent report around the Pentagon Papers Part 2, that the content of the leaks was ignored.
01:10:32.000You had the ludicrous spectacle of Biden saying that we must protect the free press and that
01:10:38.000journalism is not a crime, while Assange is still away in a maximum security prison.
01:10:44.000And adding to this, this potentially unprecedented tool that we were previously discussing, which
01:10:51.000will ultimately, I suppose, end up in the hands of the powerful.
01:10:55.000And it seems, based on what you're saying about the inflections that AI already bears
01:11:01.000culturally, that it's a system, and of course we know from the Twitter files what the relationship
01:11:06.000is between big tech and the Democrat party in particular.
01:11:09.000Of course, I'm sure they would be flexible depending on which of those two parties were in power.
01:11:13.000It seems that the potential to govern the population is about to become, I would say, what do I want to say?
01:11:28.000With these new tools, it's possible that freedom could be further eroded.
01:11:33.000So, really, at a point where we ought be insisting on new independent movements, a point where we should be insisting on transparency, there is more surveillance, militarization of the police, more protest laws, an inability to conduct public discourse by the most powerful person in the world.
01:11:53.000What do you imagine is most immediately required, Barry?
01:11:58.000What I think is most immediately required and what I see already happening, and I guess this is the silver lining, is, you know, look at both of us in this moment right now, right?
01:12:10.000I don't even know how big your audience is at this point.
01:12:14.000Here I am, thinking that I was going to be, you know, I spent my career in the legacy press, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, Left the New York Times in 2020 for reasons maybe we can discuss, had no plan, had barely had a credit card, to say nothing of being an entrepreneur.
01:12:33.000That was like the furthest thing from my mind.
01:12:35.000And now I'm building a media company and I have 20 people working with me.
01:12:39.000So the great news is that the technological revolution we're living through Yes, can be used in extraordinarily oppressive ways, and it can also be democratizing.
01:12:53.000It can be used for good or bad, like fire, like the printing press, like the computer, like the iPhones in our pocket, right?
01:13:01.000And so while I think we should be concerned, and while I think this technology, AI, as we were talking about before, has the potential to be the big one, so to speak, I think that, you know, If the past is prelude, it can be used in both ways.
01:13:18.000And so am I worried that you can go right now and create a conversation between the two of us as someone did between Joe Rogan and Sam Altman and created an episode of the Joe Rogan experience that looked kind of like them and sounded kind of like them?
01:13:33.000Yeah, that really worries me when I think about actual disinformation, not what people want to believe is disinformation.
01:13:41.000But there's also incredible things that are going to come from it.
01:13:43.000So this is something that I'm watching more as a journalist, wanting to track it, wanting to understand it, wanting to understand who the players are, what their motivations are.
01:13:54.000Did the people that signed that letter, including Elon Musk and Steve Wozniak and others, calling for a six-month pause in the advent of increased technology, of increased AI capabilities beyond chat GPT.
01:14:07.000Did they sign that letter because they're pure of heart?
01:14:10.000Did they sign that letter because they want to catch up to the competition?
01:14:20.000Where are they in terms of AI capabilities?
01:14:23.000These are the kind of questions that I think are going to be driving the next years of our life, the next years of stories.
01:14:29.000And it's one that I'm following incredibly, incredibly closely as a journalist above anything else.
01:14:33.000Barry, I'm so grateful to you for asking these questions.
01:14:36.000I mean, I admire incredibly what you've done and the organisation that you're evidently building, not to mention your ability, along with your wife, to expertly manage this child through the night in ways that seem to me to be unprecedented.
01:14:50.000And I think what's interesting also about what you're saying is that you are Journaling what's happening but increasingly I think it's likely that to become a legitimate journalist is to become a de facto activist and perhaps this is something that began with the Greenwald and Assange and certainly it seems likely due to the ongoing increase of censorship to be a necessity that if you're going to tell the truth you are an enemy of the powerful.
01:15:20.000So, I'm glad that we at least have an allegiance.
01:15:24.000Of course, I'll give you the chance to respond.
01:15:26.000Yeah, I think... Look, I'm old school.
01:15:29.000I think the job of a journalist... There are different roles in the world, right?
01:15:41.000I think journalism... I think the way to do journalism that maintains integrity and maintains the trust of people has to hew to sort of old school rules that frankly a lot of the legacy press has turned their back on, right?
01:15:58.000The thing that used to happen at the New York Times was very clear.
01:16:02.000You know, if a certain op-ed, and I was an op-ed editor there for years and then also wrote my own columns, if an op-ed sort of hewed to the ideological narrative, if an op-ed argued that Donald Trump was a moral monster that had to be taken down, If an op-ed claimed that, you know, Joe Biden was the savior of the world, we could go on and on and on.
01:16:23.000And arguments that contradicted that, arguments that complicated it, those were ones that sort of were subjected to a much, much, much more rigorous test.
01:16:33.000In other words, and I think that that was to the detriment of the audience and to the reader.
01:16:38.000And I think that, you know, when you think about the old Manifesto of the New York Times, the idea of all the news that's fit to print and the way that it sort of has transformed, and many other papers as well, to all the news that fits the narrative.
01:16:53.000I just think that there is a huge, wide-open space for people that are actually interested in treating readers like adults, that are actually interested in treating listeners as sophisticated people that can make their own decisions, not just shoving propaganda down their throat.
01:17:08.000And so that's what we're about at The Free Press.
01:17:27.000That sounds like a fantastic endeavour and I'm grateful to you for undertaking it.
01:17:31.000You can learn more from Barry Weiss by reading the Free Press, listening to her podcast, Honestly, reading her book, How to Fight Antisemitism.