Stay Free - Russel Brand - Covid’s Origin: BOMBSHELL New Report Is A GAME-CHANGER! - #147 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 I'm going to go to the bathroom.

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00:00:44.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:56.000 Hello, and welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:59.000 We've got a magnificent, exciting, visceral, and potent show for you today.

00:01:04.000 Later, we're going to be talking to you about an exclusive story, broke, here, on this show, by Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi, the Woodward and Bernstein of the counter-establishment age.

00:01:17.000 Remember, when Woodward and Bernstein, real journalists, were fated by the establishment, could work for an organisation like the Washington Post?

00:01:24.000 That's, I guess, what they worked for, isn't it?

00:01:26.000 Now, like Barry Weiss, if she breaks a story about, for example, the Hunter Biden laptop, she's out of the New York Times.

00:01:35.000 So the world has changed.

00:01:37.000 The establishment has changed.

00:01:38.000 This is where you will get independent media.

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00:01:52.000 What can we do, Russell, you ask me?

00:01:54.000 What can we do to change the world?

00:01:56.000 Join us.

00:01:57.000 Let us unite and make a difference together.

00:02:00.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we can only do the first 15 minutes of the show here because we're going to show you some stuff that Schellenberger said to us about the lab leak theory that...

00:02:09.000 Ludicrous though it may seem to right-minded, free-thinking people like you, we simply cannot discuss that on YouTube.

00:02:16.000 We're going to be looking at the treatment of whistleblowers, the use of the Espionage Act, and the genuine imperialistic agenda behind, potentially behind, Trump's vilification and trial.

00:02:28.000 I'm not a MAGA hat guy, but I am a justice guy.

00:02:31.000 We've got a fantastic story for you.

00:02:33.000 You are not going to want to miss that.

00:02:34.000 You are going to want to join us.

00:02:35.000 But first, Is it possible, Gareth, my on-screen assistant, is that still what you are?

00:02:40.000 Yep.

00:02:41.000 Let's have a look how you're credited.

00:02:42.000 Yes, you are.

00:02:43.000 Is it possible that aliens, extraterrestrials, or extradimensionals, or extratemporals, because as Jeremy Corbell, our frequent guest on this show, you can have a look at our conversation on Rumble right now, consistently reminds us we do not know where these extraterrestrials come from.

00:03:00.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:03:00.000 Are they among us?

00:03:01.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:03:02.000 Do you think they move among us?

00:03:03.000 Are they moving among us?

00:03:04.000 Could I be?

00:03:04.000 Do you remember...

00:03:06.000 I was going to say something about when I used to be married.

00:03:08.000 Do you remember when I used to be married?

00:03:09.000 I do remember that.

00:03:10.000 Not current marriage.

00:03:10.000 Before.

00:03:11.000 Not current marriage.

00:03:12.000 Prior marriage.

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:13.000 Well, there was a song about extraterrestrials, and I like to think it might have been about old Russ.

00:03:19.000 Okay, how did it go?

00:03:21.000 I dislike my husband very much.

00:03:27.000 I won out, I won out, I won out.

00:03:29.000 I've made a mistake!

00:03:31.000 Didn't think this through!

00:03:33.000 We've rushed into this!

00:03:35.000 No, actually, I'm very happy about that period in my life.

00:03:37.000 So was I. It was a trucking trip to India.

00:03:40.000 Oi! 0.98

00:03:40.000 Don't you dare celebrate that! 0.98

00:03:43.000 Don't you dare celebrate that trip to India.

00:03:44.000 They were the days, though.

00:03:46.000 They were some days.

00:03:47.000 They were some days.

00:03:49.000 Extraterrestrials! 0.91

00:03:50.000 You know those guys, don't you?

00:03:51.000 Certainly do.

00:03:52.000 Up there in the spaces.

00:03:54.000 Have they... I mean, this is really fantastic.

00:03:55.000 You're gonna love this clip.

00:03:57.000 You remember, like, that plucky... What are they called?

00:03:59.000 Newsmax?

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 Newsmax.

00:04:02.000 Like, people really like Newsmax, I think.

00:04:04.000 Anyway, this guy's off Newsmax.

00:04:05.000 He's like, he's like an Australian journalist.

00:04:07.000 He's part Jim Robinson, Neighbour's Hero.

00:04:09.000 You'll know that if you're English or Australian.

00:04:11.000 Are you Australian?

00:04:12.000 Let us know in the chat.

00:04:13.000 Uh, and he's part Jim Morrison, uh, not Jim Morrison, Jim... He could be less like Jim Morrison.

00:04:18.000 Oh, is everybody in?

00:04:20.000 He's part Jim Robinson and part... Who else do you remember?

00:04:23.000 Andrew Marr.

00:04:24.000 These are both references that you Americans won't understand.

00:04:26.000 Anyway, he's certainly very turned on by David Grush.

00:04:29.000 Is he called David Grush?

00:04:30.000 That's correct.

00:04:31.000 The whistleblower David Grush seems to really... This guy fancies the life out of him, as far as I can tell.

00:04:37.000 Allegedly.

00:04:38.000 It might not be true.

00:04:39.000 I wouldn't like to have those accusations levelled at me as a journalist.

00:04:42.000 I just feel physically sick.

00:04:44.000 Let's have a look at how he handles this conversation.

00:04:46.000 Well, this is you, the original one that we played earlier in the week.

00:04:49.000 We did this.

00:04:50.000 If you've not watched this yet, it's up already on Rumble.

00:04:52.000 It's also the 6.4 million Awakening Wonders could access it, but we prefer you go over to Rumble because it's part of our relationship with Rumble to suggest that to you.

00:05:01.000 Let's have a look at this bit of content that we made.

00:05:03.000 It's very funny.

00:05:04.000 You were trusted with the most intimate secrets.

00:05:07.000 Yes.

00:05:08.000 Why are they making this so seductive and full of intrigue?

00:05:11.000 You are one of the most handsome men I've ever seen.

00:05:14.000 You look like Prince William a bit.

00:05:17.000 Thank you.

00:05:17.000 Your pecs are very well formed.

00:05:20.000 Your nipples now, well, they're a bit like unidentified anomalous objects. 0.99

00:05:24.000 Could we just get on with the interview? 0.91

00:05:25.000 I have plenty of current, former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program, they named the program, I've never heard of it, and... This guy's falling in love with him, that's the problem, is the interview's like, oh, look at you, you know so much, you've seen things.

00:05:45.000 Did they use an anal probe on you? 0.99

00:05:47.000 No, no, may I? 0.99

00:05:50.000 That's pretty funny.

00:05:51.000 This is another part of the conversation where he seems to be taking the whole phenomena of extraterrestrial life much too personally.

00:05:58.000 It's like he's talking about his own emotions.

00:06:00.000 Do you think, have they ever harmed people?

00:06:02.000 Have they killed them?

00:06:03.000 Could I be in danger?

00:06:04.000 I'm scared.

00:06:05.000 He's taking the news too personally.

00:06:08.000 As you know, as a discerning viewer, the news is just an entertainment product designed primarily to distract you and inculcate you with information that's antithetical to your advancements Like this guy, though, he's not.

00:06:21.000 He's frightened by his own news.

00:06:23.000 Right, what's on the news today?

00:06:25.000 I'll do some news.

00:06:26.000 There are aliens.

00:06:27.000 Oh, my God.

00:06:28.000 What if they touch me in a way I don't like? 0.98

00:06:30.000 I mean, if it was you and me, David Grush, then I'd be fine, but not with these guys with their big grey faces and their big bloody great eyes. 0.91

00:06:37.000 Oh, what are we going to do? 0.95

00:06:38.000 Have a look.

00:06:39.000 Have human beings been hurt?

00:06:44.000 Or killed by a non-human intelligence? 0.70

00:06:47.000 Well, I can't get into the specifics because that would reveal certain US classified operations.

00:06:54.000 I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that.

00:06:59.000 Now I'm scared.

00:07:01.000 People have just heard you say non-humans may well have murdered human beings.

00:07:11.000 That seems to be the case at one point, yeah.

00:07:14.000 Well, I'm not ready for that kind of news. Will you protect me, Dave?

00:07:18.000 It's funny, because first he says, hurt, or killed.

00:07:22.000 Like people who have just been hurt a little bit.

00:07:24.000 Like, ah!

00:07:25.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 Oh, don't do that next time.

00:07:27.000 Oh, that stings! You poked me then. Sorry.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, if your extraterrestrial hurts you, I'm gonna, I'll whistle blow so hard. 0.78

00:07:35.000 Also, the concepts of, like, murder to aliens, like, they don't exist... I mean, we're assuming they don't exist within the same kind of context as us.

00:07:43.000 Was it first degree?

00:07:44.000 Or second degree?

00:07:45.000 Was it a crime of passion?

00:07:46.000 It certainly would be if it was me on you. 1.00

00:07:49.000 I'll kill you. 1.00

00:07:50.000 If I'm gonna kill you, Dave, it's a crime of passion. 1.00

00:07:53.000 Already, there's an unidentified flying object in my trousers. 0.99

00:07:57.000 And it's starting to...

00:07:59.000 Yeah, let's not overly sexualize the interview, but he seems to have done a good job of that himself.

00:08:03.000 So there you go, the truth is out there.

00:08:04.000 Ross Coltart.

00:08:05.000 We want to get him on.

00:08:06.000 Ross, come on our show so we can torment you relentlessly about your interviewing style. 1.00

00:08:12.000 I think, what are we looking at now?

00:08:14.000 A French bill to remotely switch on microphones?

00:08:16.000 Oh, that's great.

00:08:17.000 So, you know what's been going on in France.

00:08:19.000 They're already unhappy.

00:08:20.000 They're furious over there in France about having their pensions stolen.

00:08:23.000 They recognize that France has become a corporatocracy, that Macron ...appears to be ignoring democratic process, ignoring even the recommendations of the highest systems of justice in France, now they want to impose a law that will allow them to spy on you in your own home.

00:08:39.000 Let me know in the chat if you ever have that experience where you're talking about cats and then you get an advert.

00:08:43.000 Why not buy, I don't know, a cat or a hat for your cat?

00:08:46.000 Now they're going to definitely turn on microphones for Le Chat all over France.

00:08:52.000 Why are they doing it?

00:08:52.000 Why, Gail?

00:08:53.000 Well, Snowden was interviewed recently, wasn't he?

00:08:55.000 It was the 10-year anniversary of his revelations, and he was saying that what he revealed at the time is child's play compared to what is going on now.

00:09:02.000 We had Schellenberger and Taibbi on the other day talking about the censorship industrial complex and the way that it's kind of You know, it's permeating through everything that we can imagine now.

00:09:13.000 And now this is designed, as is always the case, to deal with terrorism, organised crime and delinquency.

00:09:19.000 But apparently it's not just phones and computers that this can be done in.

00:09:22.000 It's now baby monitors and TVs that could become data collection points.

00:09:26.000 Have you noticed how often control is being exerted under the auspices of safety?

00:09:33.000 What was the narrative of the pandemic?

00:09:35.000 We have to protect you.

00:09:36.000 We have to protect you.

00:09:38.000 Well, now there have been revelations that it did not protect us.

00:09:41.000 That, in fact, it was, at best, ineffective, and, at worst, caused needless deaths and needless suffering.

00:09:49.000 Here we go again.

00:09:50.000 The opportunity.

00:09:51.000 We're spying on you for your safety.

00:09:53.000 In order to keep you safe, I need to know exactly what your baby is saying at bedtime!

00:09:58.000 That baby could go for your booby at any moment! 1.00

00:10:05.000 Look at that little French baby! 1.00

00:10:10.000 What's a baby gonna do?

00:10:13.000 I've got one at me house.

00:10:14.000 It can't barely do a thing.

00:10:15.000 Have they done any crimes?

00:10:17.000 Some.

00:10:18.000 But that wouldn't have been helped by monitoring them.

00:10:21.000 I think that would have just spurred them on to even greater criminality.

00:10:25.000 It's plainly an attempt to further intervene in your private life.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, and it's certainly not just going to happen in France.

00:10:31.000 This is a trend that's going on all over the place.

00:10:33.000 We know about the censorship bills that have been brought in in the Five Eyes countries at the moment, and if this is going to go on in France, we know this is going to go on across the EU.

00:10:42.000 So, yeah, it's worrying, Ross.

00:10:45.000 All across the world it seems that new measures are being implemented to further impose control on us.

00:10:52.000 And what do we believe in here on Stay Free?

00:10:55.000 Freedom, above all else.

00:10:56.000 An optimistic perspective on humanity that you, if you are free to become the person that you're intended to be, will behave in alignment with higher principles.

00:11:04.000 You don't need the constant intervention of the state in order to be a good person. You

00:11:09.000 don't need a state that primarily serves the interests of large corporations.

00:11:13.000 You don't need a state that wants to introduce social credit style risk

00:11:17.000 scores to social media users. This is currently taking place. This is a story from

00:11:23.000 Vice. What's happening here, Gal? Yeah, so this was a story published by

00:11:27.000 Motherboard on Vice about the Department of Homeland Security.

00:11:31.000 This was going back into 2018.

00:11:33.000 They entered into a contract with the University of Alabama to develop a project that they dubbed Night Fury, which sounds great, doesn't it?

00:11:41.000 Which was designed to analyze and assess risk scores to social media accounts.

00:11:45.000 So essentially, using automation to evaluate people's social media accounts for connection to disinformation campaigns.

00:11:54.000 Earth is making you so cynical about Project Night Fury.

00:11:58.000 It's like with tarot cards, when they say, no, no, don't worry.

00:11:58.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 No, it's a good thing.

00:12:02.000 If you get that skull, that's brilliant news.

00:12:05.000 What's this one? 1.00

00:12:06.000 It's a picture of a penis that's been cut off and put into a cereal dish. 1.00

00:12:10.000 What's this one? 1.00

00:12:11.000 That means you're gonna be happily married!

00:12:13.000 That Tony the Tiger's gonna become your best friend!

00:12:16.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we're gonna have to leave you right now.

00:12:19.000 Not because we don't love you.

00:12:20.000 You are 6.4 million of the most beautiful people in the world.

00:12:23.000 You are freedom fighters.

00:12:24.000 You are radicals.

00:12:25.000 You are free thinkers.

00:12:26.000 We want you.

00:12:27.000 We need you.

00:12:28.000 We love you.

00:12:28.000 We want you to click on the link in the description right now and join us on Rumble for our...

00:12:34.000 A fantastic extract from a conversation we had with Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi where an exclusive story was broken right here.

00:12:41.000 Do you want to see what real news looks like? 0.96

00:12:43.000 Are you sick and tired of the pulp, the pap, the bilge, the crap that they're pumping down you day and night consistently, constantly, an endless diet of lies and censorship and surveillance? 0.99

00:12:53.000 Then join us. 0.98

00:12:54.000 Join us on Rumble.

00:12:55.000 We're not there to propitiate, propagate and promulgate hate speech.

00:12:59.000 We've got no time for that.

00:13:00.000 We're too busy.

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00:13:07.000 Now, if you're watching us on Rumble, join us on Locals.

00:13:11.000 Get a little bit deeper.

00:13:12.000 Come a little deeper down the funnel.

00:13:14.000 Join us in the crucible of truth.

00:13:16.000 Now, this was a fantastic conversation that we had with Tybee and Schellenberg the other day.

00:13:19.000 Of course, I'm doing a live conference with them.

00:13:22.000 There's a link in the description.

00:13:23.000 We'll post it in the chat right now.

00:13:25.000 Uh, promoting a conversation that I'm going to be having with them to organize a movement against the censorship industrial complex.

00:13:32.000 Do you want your French baby spied on? 1.00

00:13:35.000 I'm sick of my French baby being spied on.

00:13:37.000 Well, Matt Haiby and Schellenberger are part of the solution.

00:13:42.000 Don't think for a moment that the fact that I belched No, no.

00:13:44.000 That's right.

00:13:44.000 No.

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 I'm not serious about it. It just means I like to have them drinks that have been, what is it called? Fermented.

00:13:51.000 Good for the belly button, apparently. 0.97

00:13:51.000 That's right. 0.97

00:13:53.000 Not good for the broadcasting.

00:13:54.000 Not good for that! Bad! Very bad indeed.

00:13:57.000 It's fairly bad. The worst.

00:13:58.000 So Schellenberger, we can say this now because we're on Rumble, apparently the first people that got COVID by some weird

00:14:06.000 coincidence all worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:14:10.000 That's weird.

00:14:11.000 Down at the old Wuhan Institute of Virology, a lot of people are getting a virus.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, but that's probably... They didn't get it down the old Institute of Virology.

00:14:19.000 They could have got that anywhere.

00:14:20.000 For example, that wet market.

00:14:22.000 Have you been down that wet market lately?

00:14:25.000 The stink!

00:14:26.000 Of the place.

00:14:27.000 Would you imagine that they were researching these three scientists?

00:14:30.000 Those guys?

00:14:31.000 Down at the Institute of Virology?

00:14:32.000 Yeah, just have a little guess.

00:14:34.000 Maybe what they were researching down there.

00:14:36.000 Like, probably they're trying to make a new range of diapers that don't cause nappy rash.

00:14:40.000 Not that, no.

00:14:41.000 Uh, a lipstick.

00:14:42.000 They put a lipstick on a rabbit, make sure it don't hurt the lips.

00:14:45.000 It isn't that either, no.

00:14:46.000 It's a good guess, good guess, good guess.

00:14:48.000 I know what it is.

00:14:49.000 A cheap, reasonable cancer drug, accessible at cost-white-label price.

00:14:53.000 Definitely not that, definitely not that.

00:14:55.000 Okay, okay, what could it be?

00:14:56.000 New bespoke vaccines that are gonna end the tyranny of diabetes.

00:15:02.000 No, it's gain-of-function experiments.

00:15:03.000 Gain-of-function?

00:15:04.000 I've heard of that somewhere.

00:15:06.000 I've heard of it on the news every day.

00:15:09.000 I've heard how dangerous it is. 0.99

00:15:10.000 It's so ridiculous.

00:15:12.000 Remember, like, this is, you know, you'll be familiar with the magic bullet theory from the film JFK by the great director Oliver Stone. 0.75

00:15:18.000 It's where the government had to put forth the idea that Oswald killed JFK and the reason that that bullet was able to reach the back of his head even though Oswald was In a trajectory where that would be impossible, it's because the bullet bounced around in all sorts of directions.

00:15:34.000 Here's Fauci's version of the magic bullet theory.

00:15:38.000 We call this Fauci's Magic Lab.

00:15:41.000 And I'd get Bad Graphics Jack to make one, but we just simply don't have the time or confidence in Bad Graphics Jack.

00:15:46.000 Let's have a look at Fauci postulating how that virus didn't come from that lab.

00:15:53.000 Let's see.

00:15:54.000 A lab leak could be that someone was out in the wild, maybe looking for different types of viruses in bats.

00:16:03.000 Do you know what I do in my spare time?

00:16:05.000 When I'm not in the lab working on viruses, I think, oh, you know, let's get away from it all.

00:16:12.000 Bit of a holiday.

00:16:12.000 A bit of a break!

00:16:14.000 A bit of me time!

00:16:14.000 Yeah.

00:16:15.000 Just relax.

00:16:16.000 There's more to me than being down at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan.

00:16:21.000 I'm complicated.

00:16:22.000 You think you know me?

00:16:23.000 You think my job defines me?

00:16:25.000 Dreams.

00:16:26.000 I go straight out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, I pop into the wet market, I get myself one of them little armadillo things, in a sandwich.

00:16:32.000 Yes.

00:16:32.000 A little bite of that.

00:16:33.000 Like a wrap or something.

00:16:35.000 Just a sort of wrap, I'm watching my weight.

00:16:36.000 Low carbs diet.

00:16:38.000 Then, I'm straight down the bat cave. 0.94

00:16:41.000 Absolutely.

00:16:42.000 I relax, I unwind, I see what these bats are doing up there. 1.00

00:16:45.000 I sniff them, I lick them, I suck them, and I'm not ashamed to admit, sometimes I fuck them. 1.00

00:16:51.000 What? 1.00

00:16:52.000 Hey! 0.99

00:16:53.000 You don't own me!

00:16:55.000 I'm complicated!

00:16:56.000 Do they consent?

00:16:58.000 Absolutely they do.

00:16:59.000 You know their little bat faces? 1.00

00:17:02.000 I take that to be... Fuck me up my bat hole. 1.00

00:17:06.000 Hey, Rumble! 1.00

00:17:08.000 Rumble! 0.62

00:17:08.000 Why did we come here? 0.62

00:17:09.000 Was it for that? 0.71

00:17:13.000 Yeah, all the while we were talking to Rumble about this deal, about streaming 46 weeks a year, one hour a day, I was thinking, this will be worth it, because one day I'll say, fuck me up the battle, and it will be in. 0.72

00:17:24.000 Yeah, it'll be in. 0.58

00:17:26.000 Like, you can't, that's a part... Untouchable.

00:17:29.000 Uncensored part of the show.

00:17:31.000 Free speech, baby!

00:17:32.000 Free speech!

00:17:33.000 Where freedom and speech meet, you get free speech.

00:17:36.000 Where free speech meets, you get freech.

00:17:40.000 Roll it, baby! 1.00

00:17:40.000 Freech. 1.00

00:17:41.000 Where freedom and speech meet, you get free speech.

00:17:44.000 Where free speech meets, you get freech. 1.00

00:17:46.000 Fuck me up the butthole, baby, if this isn't the best episode of freech. 1.00

00:17:49.000 You're going to keep saying that, aren't you? 1.00

00:17:51.000 You are going to keep saying that.

00:17:52.000 It's necessary.

00:17:52.000 It's part of what we do.

00:17:53.000 Imagine how we're going to get into the conversation with Julian Dix!

00:17:58.000 West Ham United player and legend Julian Dix will be joining us in Football Is Nice and you will stay watching it because we care about you and that's the reason.

00:18:05.000 Let's ask him about Wuhan.

00:18:07.000 Julian, what did you think about the Wuhan?

00:18:09.000 Sounds a bit like West Ham.

00:18:13.000 It does, it does.

00:18:15.000 It sounds enough like it to be confusing.

00:18:17.000 Now, where is the free speech that I require?

00:18:19.000 Here it is.

00:18:20.000 General.

00:18:21.000 This is from Chris E. Russell, you've convinced me with your constant urgings.

00:18:24.000 I'm going to see what Loki's all about.

00:18:26.000 Join us on Loki's.

00:18:27.000 When you said general, I thought you meant that was from a general.

00:18:27.000 Press the red button.

00:18:30.000 This is from Pol Pot. 0.75

00:18:34.000 Uh, this is about UFOs.

00:18:36.000 Silfilka.

00:18:37.000 All of a sudden, the government is happy to talk about UFOs after decades of ridiculing anyone who wanted to investigate these stories.

00:18:42.000 And funny how these acceptable witnesses are part of intelligence agencies who have proven themselves really trustworthy in the past.

00:18:47.000 That's a good point, Silfilka.

00:18:48.000 Yeah.

00:18:49.000 I'm... Can you ask Silky Carlo... Excuse me.

00:18:52.000 Don't ask her that.

00:18:53.000 Don't ask her that.

00:18:54.000 Never let her know I did that.

00:18:55.000 I'm embarrassed.

00:18:56.000 But can you ask her, have... I want a Freedom of Information Act filed.

00:18:59.000 I want to know if I'm being spied on, gal.

00:19:01.000 Well, I've been doing it for a baby monitor.

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 What I do up there in my crib is my business.

00:19:07.000 What I do there... And I know it's the sound of some bats.

00:19:09.000 I'll tell you that as well.

00:19:11.000 Well, part of my free speech and part of my pastimes, my cat's bringing the bats.

00:19:17.000 How can you hear them?

00:19:18.000 They're sonar.

00:19:19.000 It's inaudible.

00:19:21.000 I could hear them.

00:19:22.000 It's inaudible.

00:19:23.000 Bear, the dog can hear them, but you can't, baby.

00:19:26.000 So, I mean, I want to know if I've been spied on by the government.

00:19:28.000 Trajan.

00:19:29.000 Interesting, but whenever revelations about the Biden family's criminal activities heat up in the news, we start hearing government propaganda stories about UFOs, Trump, Ukraine.

00:19:37.000 Do you think it's that?

00:19:38.000 Do you think it's a distraction?

00:19:40.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:19:40.000 We'll read it out.

00:19:41.000 We care about your free speech.

00:19:42.000 This is us caring about your free speech in actual real time.

00:19:46.000 True Chimera.

00:19:47.000 I don't believe Jeremy Corbell is real.

00:19:49.000 Make me believe.

00:19:49.000 He is real.

00:19:50.000 I've met him.

00:19:51.000 He's nice.

00:19:51.000 He's the real deal.

00:19:52.000 There he is.

00:19:52.000 That's him.

00:19:53.000 That's him there.

00:19:54.000 He is real.

00:19:55.000 And I trust him.

00:19:56.000 Could he be AI?

00:19:56.000 Is he AI?

00:19:57.000 Could he be A.I.?

00:19:58.000 Let me know in the chat if you think he's A.I.

00:19:59.000 He can't be A.I., can he?

00:20:01.000 Is he A.I.?

00:20:02.000 Could he be A.I.?

00:20:03.000 Could he?

00:20:03.000 Nah.

00:20:04.000 A.I.?

00:20:04.000 I don't think so.

00:20:05.000 Okay, time now for... This is a story that is gonna knock your knickers into a postbox.

00:20:11.000 You are gonna... This is extraordinary.

00:20:13.000 Your fingernails are gonna fall off with this one because we've had a good look at this Trump...

00:20:19.000 Persecution.

00:20:19.000 Prosecution.

00:20:20.000 Aren't we, Gail?

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:21.000 We've studied it.

00:20:23.000 The use of the Espionage Act previously has been used not to prosecute, but to malign, to attack, to exile Edward Snowden.

00:20:31.000 The Espionage Act is the very act that Julian Assange would be tried under if he ever faced trial.

00:20:37.000 He's still in prison for some reason, even though he's obviously not been convicted of anything, because he hasn't had a trial yet, so how can he be convicted of anything?

00:20:43.000 Espionage is the crime that they are trying to level at Donald Trump.

00:20:47.000 Now of course he's got, it seems like a lot of boxes of secrets.

00:20:50.000 But we've got a lot of questions on those boxes of secrets.

00:20:53.000 Who decides what secrets should be kept from us?

00:20:56.000 Are these secrets there in order to protect us or control us?

00:21:01.000 Based on the last few years, based on what you already know, do you think that these powerful deep state agencies, the media, the judiciary, big government and the corporatized global elites want justice?

00:21:16.000 Want you safe?

00:21:17.000 Or do they want to control you?

00:21:19.000 And is Trump the thing they fear most?

00:21:22.000 Here's the news!

00:21:23.000 No!

00:21:24.000 Here's the F in news.

00:21:26.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News.

00:21:27.000 Here's the news.

00:21:28.000 No.

00:21:29.000 Here's the F in news.

00:21:32.000 Donald Trump is being charged with the Espionage Act.

00:21:35.000 Could that act be named the Get Rid of People We Don't Like Act, particularly if they don't want ongoing wars?

00:21:43.000 Donald Trump is being charged with the Espionage Act.

00:21:46.000 Is this potentially because his attitude to war, in particular the Ukraine-Russian war, threatens establishment interest?

00:21:53.000 Now, you know we have complex perspectives on the phenomenon of Donald Trump.

00:21:57.000 I know a lot of you like him.

00:21:59.000 I know a lot of you don't like him.

00:22:00.000 But what's very interesting is the possibility of the fact that the establishment is trying to bring him down using an act that they used successfully to put Assange in jail, to exile Edward Snowden.

00:22:12.000 Is it possible that the Espionage Act has become a catch-all piece of legislation to shut down voices that threaten powerful interests?

00:22:20.000 And again, I say this from the perspective of someone who is not a MAGA hat-wearing Trump lover, but respect for those of you that hate the establishment from any perspective.

00:22:30.000 Much of the content we're creating for you today comes from the website of the World Socialist Organization.

00:22:36.000 So this, whatever it may be, is not a right-wing take.

00:22:39.000 And yet, it is saying that the establishment are trying to bring down Trump, not because they believe he's a criminal, but because they believe he's a threat.

00:22:47.000 Good evening, once again, I'm Stephanie Ruhle.

00:22:50.000 This was a day unlike any other in American history.

00:22:54.000 Donald Trump, a former commander-in-chief, appeared in a court as a defendant in a case brought by the government he once ran.

00:23:02.000 You see that the mainstream media have almost been briefed to say this is a historic event.

00:23:08.000 This is unprecedented.

00:23:09.000 They are amplifying the significance of these events.

00:23:12.000 I'm not arguing that they are not significant, but if you compare them to the evident war crimes, alleged war crimes of George Bush, the improprieties of Bill Clinton, the handling of the financial crisis by Barack Obama, I would say that this is a comparable event.

00:23:27.000 And just to show you that I'm not a pro-Trump person, I think it's worse that Trump gave tax breaks to the richest Americans that negatively impacted ordinary Americans like you.

00:23:37.000 And I think that if he's going to be prosecuted for anything, it should be that.

00:23:41.000 So let's look at this in a little more detail.

00:23:43.000 Is the Espionage Act being used to bring Trump down the same way it was Assange and Snowden?

00:23:48.000 Or is there a genuine concern that Trump was a threat to national security?

00:23:52.000 Let me know in the comments in the chat.

00:23:57.000 What's that supposed to mean?

00:24:02.000 What's that additional detail?

00:24:06.000 His arms are crossed.

00:24:07.000 His arms are TIGHTLY crossed.

00:24:09.000 Maybe because he's got some secret documents under there.

00:24:12.000 Inside, Trump was arraigned on 37 felony counts, 31 of them in violation of the Espionage Act.

00:24:18.000 Now, how is the espionage frequently used, and why is it deployed?

00:24:23.000 Is it in order to pursue justice or is it in order to shut down dissent?

00:24:27.000 On Tuesday, for the first time in US history, a former president was arraigned in court for violating federal criminal law.

00:24:33.000 The decision to indict Donald Trump reflects profound divisions within the ruling class and accelerates a crisis that will rattle the foundations of the American political establishment in the coming weeks and months.

00:24:44.000 The indictment centres on Trump's retention of state secrets relating to US imperialism's plans for war.

00:24:50.000 Many of you, when sticking up for Donald Trump, often cite the fact that he was a rare example of a president that didn't go to war.

00:24:56.000 Now I think some drone strikes continued and stuff like that, but at least he didn't start any new wars.

00:25:01.000 So, this is an interesting take, that the establishment, in its imperialist aims, requires ongoing war.

00:25:07.000 That's a difficult It appears that companies like Lockheed Martin, sponsors of Gay Pride, bizarrely, and Raytheon and Northrop Grumman have incredible power. 0.57

00:25:18.000 And as part of a corporate body that is the true governing power of the United States of America, let me know in the comments, are able to impose their aims and desires on the governing administration.

00:25:28.000 So you have to decide as a viewer, as an American, as a citizen of the world, what do you think motivates the establishment?

00:25:35.000 A requirement for justice?

00:25:37.000 A longing for righteousness?

00:25:39.000 Or do you think, having observed society for a while now, that dominion and profit appear to be the main motivators when it comes to the actions of the powerful?

00:25:49.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:25:50.000 Among the documents that the indictment states Trump kept after leaving office are those detailing the nuclear capabilities of the US and its enemies, as well as attack plans against various countries and contingencies for war.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, but he was only showing them a kid rock.

00:26:05.000 The state guards such documents as top secret because the population cannot be allowed to know about them.

00:26:10.000 Another significant and important question.

00:26:12.000 Here are two questions that you could ask yourself.

00:26:14.000 Like, imagine this. 1.00

00:26:15.000 Alright, Trump's a criminal. 1.00

00:26:16.000 Lock him up. 0.99

00:26:17.000 What about war criminal presence in history?

00:26:19.000 And what about the category of top secret information?

00:26:22.000 Are you confident that all of that top secret information is to your benefit and to your advantage?

00:26:28.000 Or do you think that maybe some of it, if you knew it, would prevent you cooperating with the ruling class?

00:26:33.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:26:34.000 To safeguard its secret war plans, the Biden administration's indictment relies for statutory authority almost entirely on the Espionage Act of 1917.

00:26:44.000 For over a century, the Espionage Act has served as the sharpest legal implement in the toolshed of state reaction, used for the purpose of suppressing opposition to imperialist war.

00:26:54.000 So, check out that bit of analysis.

00:26:56.000 Think about Edward Snowden's current position.

00:26:58.000 Think about Julian Assange's current position.

00:27:00.000 They were both threatened with prosecution under the Espionage Act.

00:27:03.000 Based on just those couple of tidbits, does it seem that the Espionage Act's function is judicial, or do you think it's punitive?

00:27:12.000 The Espionage Act, which was based explicitly on the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, arose in the bloody adolescence of American imperialism when it confronted the outbreak of the First World War and the Russian Revolution.

00:27:25.000 Washington followed these developments with the most intense concern and attention and enacted the Espionage Act to protect the state from the threat of revolution and to eliminate obstacles to waging imperialist war.

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00:29:17.000 Since becoming law, the Espionage Act has served as the statutory foundation for the massive national security apparatus that both parties have constructed over the last century.

00:29:26.000 In his book, Secrecy, former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote that with the passage of the Act, the modern age began.

00:29:34.000 So this is a significant tool in the establishment of imperialist power.

00:29:38.000 He continued.

00:29:39.000 Think about how those words resonate in this day and age.

00:29:41.000 How often people are censored and smeared on the basis of conspiracy.

00:29:43.000 election or opposition. He continued, three new institutions had entered American life.

00:29:49.000 Conspiracy, loyalty, secrecy. Think about how those words resonate in this day and age.

00:29:55.000 How often people are censored and smeared on the basis of conspiracy. Think about how

00:30:00.000 fealty, loyalty to the cause is cited.

00:30:04.000 Think how we're supposed to accept certain ideological constructs that may not be beneficial to us and also might be a matter of personal choice rather than state dicta.

00:30:13.000 And secrecy, think of the contradiction that exists now when all of your information has become accessible by state power That's what Snowden's revelations outlined and detailed and it continues to this very day and in fact has got worse since then but they are able to keep information from you.

00:30:31.000 There is a bigger conversation to be had here.

00:30:34.000 It's bigger even than Donald Trump and his almighty appeal and ego.

00:30:38.000 Is it the role of government to keep information from you?

00:30:42.000 To have the sole privilege over who can be surveilled, who can have violence enacted upon them, or are there new ways of organising democracy?

00:30:50.000 Each had antecedents, but now there was a difference.

00:30:53.000 Each had become institutional.

00:30:55.000 Bureaucracies were established to attend to each.

00:30:57.000 In time there would be a Federal Bureau of Investigation to keep track of conspiracy at home, a Central Intelligence Agency to keep tabs abroad.

00:31:05.000 An espionage statuette and loyalty boards to root out disloyalty or subversion.

00:31:10.000 When we talk about the deep state and their power, when we talk about the deep state meddling with social media, a new, apparently independent form of communication, we are talking about agencies that are founded on these principles.

00:31:22.000 Perhaps it therefore can be argued that the establishment's problems with Donald Trump aren't based on morality or even criminality, but his ability to subvert and bypass systems of deep state control long established.

00:31:34.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:31:35.000 And all of this would be maintained and the national security would be secured through elaborate regimes of secrecy.

00:31:42.000 Over the course of the 20th century, the Espionage Act has been utilised by Republican and Democratic administrations to carry out some of its most atrocious crimes.

00:31:50.000 During the Second World War, after Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Attorney General Francis Biddle had convicted 18 members of the Socialist Worker Party under the Smith Act for opposing the war, Biddle used the Espionage Act to bar the SWP from distributing its publication, The Militant, through the mail.

00:32:06.000 In exactly the same way that opposition to the Ukrainian war would be censored now.

00:32:10.000 Under the auspices of new agencies like misinformation, malinformation, etc.

00:32:15.000 Exactly the same way that during the pandemic opposing even now admittedly true voices were censored and controlled.

00:32:21.000 Here we see the seeds that have grown into the state apparatus that's being used today to convict Trump and to control all of us.

00:32:27.000 In the years following the Second World War, the Espionage Act served as the pseudo-legal backbone for the anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s, including, most notoriously, the murder of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg on June 19, 1953, on trumped-up charges that they conspired to conduct atomic espionage for the Soviet Union.

00:32:46.000 The government decided to charge the Rosenbergs under the Espionage Act, rather than the Atomic Secrets Act, because the former carried a death penalty, while the latter did not.

00:32:54.000 In 1971, the Nixon administration charged Daniel Ellsberg with violating the Espionage Act after the former RAND employee provided the New York Times and Washington Post with the Pentagon Papers, which detailed the war plans and crimes of US imperialism in Southeast Asia.

00:33:09.000 It's just a short time ago that this state power was used to persecute the other side of the political argument.

00:33:15.000 That's why it's so important that regardless of your current political affiliations, you're able to track tyranny in any form, that you're able to peel away the veneers and recognize that what's underneath it is a desire to control you, to impede your freedom, and to make it look necessary.

00:33:30.000 Though presidential administrations of the 20th century were hesitant to use the Espionage Act too often, any restraint was abandoned by Barack Obama, whose Justice Department prosecuted more people under the Espionage Act than all previous presidents combined.

00:33:45.000 Not part of the narrative often heard in the celebration of his doubtless skills as a charismatic leader and orator.

00:33:51.000 The Obama administration's prosecutions focused solely on stopping leaks of military documents to the press, which essentially means stopping you finding out the truth about your government and what you pay for in foreign wars.

00:34:04.000 Those prosecuted by Obama included Jeffrey Alexander Sterling, a former CIA officer who revealed to New York Times journalist James Risen details of covert CIA spying on Iran, Thomas Drake, a former National Security Agency official who attempted to blow the whistle on NSA spying, to the Baltimore Sun, Chelsea Manning who provided

00:34:21.000 information about US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan to WikiLeaks, John Kirikou who leaked

00:34:25.000 information about the illegal torture of detainees, Edward Snowden who provided journalists with

00:34:30.000 a massive document showing the NSA were engaged in massive illegal surveillance

00:34:33.000 against the world's population.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, but it was only the world's population.

00:34:37.000 And Daniel Hale who leaked internal military documents about the Pentagon's drone assassination

00:34:42.000 Each use of the Espionage Act will have been sold to you for your safety, for your protection.

00:34:47.000 But doesn't it actually show massive government corruption?

00:34:51.000 The decision to prosecute Trump under the Espionage Act comes as the Biden administration continues to fight to extradite WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange from Belmarsh Prison in London where it's been locked in a cell for four years.

00:35:02.000 Assange's crime is that he published evidence of massive war crimes conducted by American imperialism and its allies.

00:35:08.000 He faces a potential 170-year prison sentence under Espionage Act charges.

00:35:13.000 Well, at least when Trump goes to prison for the first 170 years, he can be mates with Julian Assange.

00:35:17.000 Amidst the voluminous media commentary on the indictment, there is little discussion of the content and implications of the documents Trump removed from the White House.

00:35:26.000 Which involve the most dangerous and explosive secrets that the US military and intelligence apparatus possess.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, I'd like to know actually what's in these documents are so worrying and is it as bad as former war crimes?

00:35:36.000 Is it as bad as state imperialism?

00:35:38.000 Is it as bad as the fact that democracy at this point in history is just a performance?

00:35:42.000 The documents involve the permanent and ongoing conspiracy of American imperialism against the population of the entire world.

00:35:49.000 Oh, that's an interesting story.

00:35:51.000 Maybe that's a bit more important than whether or not Donald Trump folds his arms tightly or loosely.

00:35:56.000 Trump is no victim of the state.

00:35:58.000 He is the former commander-in-chief of the US military.

00:36:00.000 But the prosecution of Donald Trump under the Espionage Act can produce no progressive outcome.

00:36:05.000 This is precisely why the Democratic Party has selected the Espionage Act as its legal vehicle for attempting to remove Trump from the political arena.

00:36:12.000 Even the World Socialist Organization are willing to recognize that the function of this trial is to remove Trump from the political arena.

00:36:19.000 And even if you hate Trump, wouldn't you prefer a political arena that didn't rely on these means?

00:36:24.000 Wouldn't you prefer a political climate that wasn't reduced to just dismissing and smearing their opponents rather than improving their own game?

00:36:32.000 They cannot improve their own game because they are owned by corporate interests.

00:36:36.000 This effort is motivated in particular by Trump's stated positions on the US-NATO war against Russia over Ukraine.

00:36:42.000 The Biden administration is absolutely committed to the war against Russia over Ukraine.

00:36:46.000 The initiation of the Ukrainian counteroffensive last week is the precursor to a massive escalation of US-NATO involvement in the war.

00:36:53.000 That's good because this is something we'll be able to track, won't we?

00:36:55.000 We'll be able to see if in the coming weeks there is an escalation.

00:36:58.000 We'll be able to look, won't we, at Lockheed Martin and Raytheon's profits, and we'll be able to look to see which Pentagon officials formerly held posts at Raytheon or Lockheed Martin, like the current Minister of Defence.

00:37:08.000 We'll be able to decide for ourselves if this analysis is true, won't we?

00:37:12.000 A direct intervention involving NATO troops is coming and may not be far off.

00:37:16.000 Under these conditions, the American ruling class, or at least significant sections of He's not prepared to accept Trump as the leader of its foreign policy.

00:37:24.000 Trump is the leading Republican candidate for president and the prospect of his return to office is a very real and dangerous one.

00:37:30.000 But the ruling class knows that the war which the US and NATO are escalating against Russia will unleash profound opposition and they are preparing their mechanisms to suppress and illegalize anti-war sentiment and crush strikes that threaten production.

00:37:43.000 The Espionage Act will no doubt be used for this purpose.

00:37:47.000 So you can decide for yourself the veracity of this analysis from the World Socialist Organization, who I think are not right-wing.

00:37:56.000 Have you noticed an increase in surveillance?

00:37:58.000 Have you noticed an increase in censorship?

00:38:00.000 Have you noticed an inability to oppose military action?

00:38:03.000 Have you noticed an escalation in tensions between the US and China?

00:38:06.000 Have you noticed that the establishment is determined to pursue its agenda at any cost?

00:38:11.000 Have you noticed that there is no real democracy in America?

00:38:14.000 Have you noticed that there is a requirement for real and radical change and isn't that what we should be addressing?

00:38:21.000 Giving people real democratic options.

00:38:23.000 Removing the hegemony that currently has co-opted the Democrat Party.

00:38:27.000 Allowing debates between Joe Biden, Marianne Williamson and RFK.

00:38:32.000 Letting the people decide for themselves.

00:38:34.000 We've already seen what happened when a even slightly radical figure like Bernie Sanders emerged within the Democrat Party.

00:38:40.000 He was shut down and now he votes for war along with the rest of them.

00:38:43.000 In this instance, in this argument, what we have to recognize is that Trump is being shut down because he's a threat to the establishment.

00:38:50.000 And whether you like it or not, the facts appear to speak for themselves.

00:38:54.000 But that's just what I think.

00:38:55.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

00:38:58.000 How do these crimes tally with the crimes of Barack Obama?

00:39:01.000 With the crimes of Bill Clinton?

00:39:02.000 With the crimes of George W. Bush?

00:39:04.000 With the crimes of Boris Johnson?

00:39:06.000 Why do we even have the category of classification beyond matters that are of direct threat to the domestic population of America and their allies?

00:39:14.000 But that's just what I think.

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00:39:22.000 The dude. 1.00

00:39:23.000 No, he's the fucking dude! 1.00

00:39:26.000 The world is a complicated place with all of its injustice, skullduggery and batfuckery. 1.00

00:39:33.000 But football is one place where we can rely on justice, authenticity, honesty, community.

00:39:41.000 Because football is nice.

00:39:41.000 Why?

00:39:43.000 Football is nice.

00:39:50.000 And what a week it's been in the beautiful game with West Ham United

00:39:55.000 quite rightly being crowned Kings of Europe with their victory against

00:40:01.000 Fiorentina in the only European competition that matters.

00:40:05.000 Elsewhere, Manchester City had a narrow victory against Inter Milan that no one seems to very much This is very much a week defined by West Ham United and their successes.

00:40:19.000 In fact, this story for me evokes the purpose of this podcast.

00:40:24.000 That football can be an opportunity for communities to come together, to find unity and unification.

00:40:29.000 A ceremony can be created that unleashes elsewhere repressed joy.

00:40:34.000 Where was the joy before it was unleashed by West Ham's victory against Fiorentina?

00:40:40.000 What condition were my dad's ribs in before the goal celebration that followed Jared Bowen's 90th minute strike?

00:40:48.000 Hull's own Jared Bowen.

00:40:50.000 In a way, like, in fact, Our abilities to predict things look fantastic, because I think I said something about Saeed Benrahma last week, prior to the game.

00:40:58.000 You certainly brought up Jared Bowen, and I believe you correctly predicted the entire score, making you very much the man-city of our own Little League, a corporatised giant.

00:41:07.000 That's right.

00:41:08.000 Plays the game by any means necessary, unlike me.

00:41:10.000 Plucky underdog.

00:41:11.000 A plucky, belching underdog.

00:41:14.000 Later on, we're going to be talking to Julian Dix, who's perhaps West Ham's most beloved ever full-back, along with the likes of Ray Stewart, Geordie Parrish, you know, I mean, the list goes on.

00:41:25.000 Young Robocop, who's there now.

00:41:28.000 It was an amazing game.

00:41:30.000 In fact, a lot of West Ham full-backs are hard.

00:41:33.000 Stuart Pearce, very hard.

00:41:35.000 Sufow, I feel, is hard.

00:41:37.000 And there's no doubt in the hardness of Julian Dix, who we'll be talking to a little bit later about his book, Hammer Time, Me, West Ham and a Passion for the Shirt.

00:41:37.000 You would imagine so.

00:41:45.000 Of course it is, Hammer Time.

00:41:45.000 It's a great title.

00:41:47.000 About time someone referenced MC Hammer in the title of their autobiography.

00:41:51.000 Julian Dix was the man to ultimately do that.

00:41:55.000 What a week it's been for me in West Ham Heroes.

00:41:58.000 Before we get into the events of Prague, which is where the final took place, I want to tell you a personal story.

00:42:07.000 In the semi-final against AZ Alkmaar, Like West Ham, there was some violence.

00:42:13.000 Of course that didn't involve West Ham fans, who historically have been among the best behaved fans in the game.

00:42:20.000 But it did involve those, I'm going to call them Dutch monsters, of AZ Alkmaar, who invaded the friends and family section at the stadium for the away game there in Amsterdam. 0.98

00:42:32.000 One man, or two men, stood against the tide, the torrent of hooligans.

00:42:38.000 Famously, Nolzi.

00:42:40.000 here he is doing exactly that right well the other day gal there was some filming taking

00:42:54.000 place down my street Yeah.

00:42:55.000 Well, when I say down my street, I mean down my river, because... So you think of it as yours, don't you?

00:42:59.000 Basically, it actually belongs to everyone.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:01.000 When you think about it, it's ludicrous that anyone would claim to own a street, a river, or anything, because we're all temporarily here, and it seems that there is some permanent haunting within nature that belies the deeper truth that none of us own anything, not even our own bodies, our own lives.

00:43:15.000 Anyway, they were filming Midsomer Murders, which is like a British Cop show that's all very sort of slow and lethargic like American cop shows are very much like 0.99

00:43:25.000 Hey, fuck you! 1.00

00:43:26.000 And like the wire. 1.00

00:43:27.000 But British cop shows are like, no, I put it to you that your auntie stowed the arsenic in a jam jar. 1.00

00:43:33.000 Aren't they?

00:43:33.000 Little things like that.

00:43:34.000 It's quaint, isn't it?

00:43:36.000 Very local as well.

00:43:36.000 Quaint.

00:43:38.000 They'll take place in like one bit of a village or something.

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 And there's too many murders in that village.

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:44.000 There's far too many going on in one village.

00:43:46.000 What you've got to look at is the quaint...

00:43:50.000 Homicide axis.

00:43:51.000 It may score very high in quaintness in this village, but as you can see, every hour there is a lethal, deadly, unnecessary murder.

00:44:01.000 Would you consider moving to the city?

00:44:02.000 Oh no, it's too much crime.

00:44:04.000 They're bipolar, the residents of Midsomer. 1.00

00:44:07.000 They're going around throwing tea parties and things one minute, but by night, they're committing crimes.

00:44:13.000 Do you put the cream or the jam first on your scone vicar? 1.00

00:44:17.000 I tell you what, do I cut your fucking throat? 1.00

00:44:19.000 What? Bloody hell! I don't want to live here no more! 1.00

00:44:22.000 Anyway, they were filming an episode of that, a couple of gardens down on the river.

00:44:26.000 You wanted to get involved, didn't you?

00:44:27.000 Of course I did, because you know how people when they're filming, they act like it's the world's most serious thing.

00:44:31.000 Have you ever gone past a film set, let me know in the chat, they're like,

00:44:33.000 Please, like if there's a road or anything, like stop traffic and we're high and this, this,

00:44:37.000 like it's the world's most important thing that's ever happened, like they're conducting heart surgery.

00:44:41.000 You know what you're doing? We're making Midsommar's Murder, a highly improbable TV show. 0.59

00:44:45.000 Whatever it is, it's irrelevant, isn't it? 0.93

00:44:47.000 It's just that they're ridiculous, so they're taking it so seriously. 0.88

00:44:50.000 We're making Batman, there's a man over there pretending to be a bat. 0.97

00:44:53.000 Please, slow down, but we've got to get this ambulance, the kidney surgery is imminent.

00:44:57.000 Shh, but he's pretending that he wants to be a bat. 0.77

00:45:01.000 That's what!

00:45:03.000 Haha.

00:45:04.000 How exactly did he acquire this desire? 0.99

00:45:07.000 Well, he was in a bat cave, carrying out his normal routine of bat-related activities, culminating, of course, in the world-famous bat fuck, and then he became a vigilante. 0.98

00:45:16.000 That's a reference to the rest of the show. 0.95

00:45:17.000 You'll have to watch that on Rumble if you listen to this as a podcast.

00:45:21.000 Anyway, so... So, you saw the Midsomer Murders were being filmed.

00:45:24.000 Couple of gardens along.

00:45:25.000 And you thought to yourself... And my children.

00:45:27.000 I thought to myself and I thought to my children.

00:45:29.000 I bet you thought...

00:45:30.000 Hang on a second guest appearance in Neighbors guest appearance in Midsomer murders more like yeah, and I thought I'll get guest appearance out of this and also I can do I like Like you can't stop me doing what I like so I went by boat to the end of the garden Yeah, I was like and like someone went Shh!

00:45:48.000 Shh! 0.97

00:45:49.000 so important, shhh, it's important what we're doing here.

00:45:53.000 Right, and I was like, um, I goes what are you, are you first AD to this kid? Let him know I

00:45:58.000 know the nomenclature, I know the lingo. Why did you think they were first AD? I didn't

00:46:03.000 think that they were first AD.

00:46:04.000 I thought it was time to say a bit of language that separated me from the sort of person that can be shushed.

00:46:09.000 What is this, 4x3 or 16x9?

00:46:10.000 What are you shooting at, mate?

00:46:12.000 4K?

00:46:12.000 Oh, it's a good day!

00:46:13.000 Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

00:46:15.000 You've made a mistake there, mate.

00:46:17.000 This is a murder plot.

00:46:18.000 Should have done it in black and white.

00:46:20.000 That's how I make all my films.

00:46:21.000 Mate, in black and white these days, it's more classy.

00:46:23.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:46:25.000 Seventh Seal.

00:46:26.000 It's my favourite.

00:46:28.000 What's this, Bergman?

00:46:29.000 Karasaki?

00:46:31.000 This, is it?

00:46:32.000 Right, so I go, are you first AB?

00:46:34.000 I go, go and get the first AB.

00:46:34.000 He goes, third.

00:46:37.000 Go and get the first, I ain't even talking to you, mate.

00:46:39.000 Anyway, so the first AB comes over, a few people recognise me, it starts to seem like I'm being welcomed, quite rightly, as a visiting dignitary, which is what I am.

00:46:46.000 You were up in for John Nettles, weren't you?

00:46:48.000 He's not even on it anymore.

00:46:49.000 Nettles?

00:46:49.000 Oh yeah, he's long gone, Nettles.

00:46:51.000 You'll be lucky at getting Nettles, but I see you're Nettles, and I'll raise you Nulls, right? 0.99

00:46:58.000 Bowling over comes none other than the angel of Alkmaar himself, Nolzi! 0.96

00:47:03.000 What?

00:47:04.000 He comes bowling over, here's a photograph of me with him, he goes, Russell!

00:47:09.000 Nolzi! 0.98

00:47:10.000 Like that, and he's a unit, he's a big fella, and also I'm sort of engaged in what could be regarded as an act of essentially trespass, because I'm coming into a territory, but that's the very thing that those AZ Alkmaar fans were doing.

00:47:23.000 So I could have antagonised Nolzi.

00:47:24.000 You're expecting a stiff upper...

00:47:26.000 Well, it'd have been a... Mostly they were over... What kind of punch is that, Dan?

00:47:29.000 That's a sort of an overhead punch, he would like... Like an... Overhand blow to the skull, is what I was expecting.

00:47:37.000 That's what he was delivering to those people coming up the stage.

00:47:39.000 Anyway, he was there, his son-in-law, who's the other lad with the green hoodie up, he was there.

00:47:43.000 They're Grips, on Midsummer Murders. 0.91

00:47:45.000 Oh, I thought he might be playing the murderer.

00:47:47.000 No, of course he's not nosy!

00:47:48.000 He's also, he...

00:47:49.000 Denounced all glamorization of hooliganism and violence.

00:47:52.000 He's not like that way at all.

00:47:53.000 I noticed he was wearing a Poppy Day sort of bracelet, uh, like, or band type thing.

00:47:58.000 Oh, it was lovely.

00:47:59.000 I got photos done with him, photos done with his nephews.

00:48:01.000 I was all over that set for a while.

00:48:02.000 My children, very bored of the, uh, Midsummer's Murders set.

00:48:07.000 But hang on, wasn't he meant to be escorting you away from the set?

00:48:09.000 Wasn't that the job that he was paid to do?

00:48:11.000 No, that's not his job.

00:48:12.000 He just came over to say hello and, like, we made a connection.

00:48:14.000 Oh, he's not security.

00:48:15.000 Sorry.

00:48:15.000 No, he's not.

00:48:16.000 He's a grip.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, I think it might be the gaffer.

00:48:19.000 What are these technical terms that you use, Russell?

00:48:22.000 Oh, I just use them.

00:48:23.000 To me they ain't even technical terms!

00:48:24.000 I've never heard of these terms.

00:48:26.000 Technical terms!

00:48:27.000 Someone who's worked in the industry.

00:48:28.000 Technical terms, I use them!

00:48:32.000 Yep, that's right.

00:48:33.000 Oh, listen, oh my God, we've only got a few minutes before Julian Dix.

00:48:35.000 Anyway, so that is my encounter with Knowlesy.

00:48:38.000 We're now firm friends.

00:48:39.000 Got his number in your phone?

00:48:40.000 Of course you got his number in your phone.

00:48:42.000 I didn't get Knowlesy's number.

00:48:43.000 What?

00:48:43.000 But look at the softness to him.

00:48:44.000 Look at the beauty to him.

00:48:45.000 Look how gentle and kind he looks.

00:48:47.000 He's still got all the remains of his shiner, acquired that day. 1.00

00:48:50.000 He has.

00:48:51.000 Well, the reason that we're celebrating football is because of heroes like Knowlesy who emerge from the context of the game and the ceremonies they're in.

00:48:58.000 Do you want to have a look?

00:48:59.000 Let's have a look at West Ham kid.

00:49:01.000 This is a kid who can't be older in my mind than seven or eight years old and yet he's already learned how to be a proper West Ham fan.

00:49:01.000 I love this.

00:49:09.000 He's like, I can't believe we've won something.

00:49:10.000 He's only been at Alive ten minutes!

00:49:13.000 We weren't even born in 2006 when we were in the FA Cup Final and lost to Liverpool.

00:49:16.000 But yeah, he's already acquired the lacrimose, remorseful quality of a West Ham fan.

00:49:23.000 He's saddened that.

00:49:24.000 And also, even in a quick mainstream media interview, he gets a dig in at Tottenham Hotspur.

00:49:29.000 Very accomplished.

00:49:30.000 Have a look at this lovely West Ham supporting lad.

00:49:33.000 This is the best night of my life ever.

00:49:35.000 I just can't believe I'm here.

00:49:36.000 I think I'm dreaming.

00:49:37.000 I just can't believe West Ham have won something.

00:49:40.000 We've won more titles than Spurs tonight.

00:49:41.000 I just can't believe this.

00:49:43.000 God, what do you want?

00:49:45.000 The mum very proud there.

00:49:46.000 They've got that digging.

00:49:47.000 West Ham are the best club in the world.

00:49:49.000 I'm saying it.

00:49:50.000 West Ham are the best club in the world.

00:49:52.000 God, what do you want?

00:49:56.000 Amazing. Lovely, wasn't it?

00:49:56.000 Wow.

00:49:58.000 You know, like at Liverpool, they say this means more.

00:50:01.000 Like somehow it's got more meaning.

00:50:03.000 And it's a weird idea that something could have more meaning.

00:50:05.000 But if you contrast the...

00:50:07.000 I know Man City fans, I know you had your long period in the wilderness.

00:50:10.000 This is not about Man City fans.

00:50:12.000 This is about the co-opting of your beautiful club by corporate interests and even national interests, global

00:50:20.000 interests, that currently align with your agenda as a fan

00:50:23.000 because you want to see your team win.

00:50:26.000 I went on Talk Sport with the brilliant Simon Jordan and adorable Jim White, and we had a conversation about how, like, you know, the problem in the game is player wages.

00:50:34.000 And I said, that can't be the problem in the game, player wages, because the intention of the various corporate and globalist interests that are perched in football clubs Can't be.

00:50:45.000 How do we pay footballers more money?

00:50:48.000 There must be another reason.

00:50:49.000 And when you know what that reason is, corporatisation, sports washing, commodification, creating global brands, ultimately a global super league, that is the thing that needs to be addressed by regulation.

00:51:00.000 If you regulate a symptom, you don't deal with the problem.

00:51:02.000 It's just plain and obvious to me.

00:51:05.000 If not, Simon Jordan, who's going to come on the show, actually, he's going to come here live, Gareth, so we'll be dealing with Simon Jordan.

00:51:10.000 That'll be exciting.

00:51:10.000 If you're a football fan, post your questions in the chat.

00:51:14.000 Now, you can see how much this means to West Ham.

00:51:18.000 In a way, it could be argued that West Ham fans have overreacted.

00:51:22.000 Yeah, I mean, that kid, you could imagine him doing the same thing if he didn't want to go to bed one night.

00:51:26.000 You know, that's the kind of reaction that children give.

00:51:29.000 Guys, I can't!

00:51:30.000 I just can't go to bed!

00:51:31.000 I've got so much to live for!

00:51:32.000 You're a long time dead!

00:51:33.000 I can't believe it!

00:51:34.000 What's the point of dying?

00:51:35.000 What's the point of going to bed and just going to dream about bloody Tottenham Hotspurs and David, Blee, and Martin, yo!

00:51:41.000 I can't take it!

00:51:41.000 What's the point of Burbatov?

00:51:42.000 What's the point of having a player if he's just gonna serve?

00:51:45.000 What's the point of Gareth Bale?

00:51:47.000 Yeah, like, yeah, you're right.

00:51:48.000 He's sort of like the level of emotional commitment.

00:51:50.000 And also the, sort of, the bus tour at, like, around East London, which I was, I didn't attend, was, like, just looked amazing.

00:51:59.000 I can't help but think what would happen if you were able to harness and direct this energy that's plainly there and is released at the moment of victory.

00:52:09.000 What would happen if it was directed towards the very thing that football is, in my opinion, essentially celebrating togetherness, unity, common cause, overcoming the odds, many, many themes, many themes.

00:52:19.000 But I wonder what would happen if it was differently Yeah, you're right, because it also, it doesn't pertain to whatever level the victory comes at, you know, like you were saying, like, you know, I watch the conference final and the, you know, Wrexham going up and the kind of euphoria that can come, it doesn't matter what level it is.

00:52:41.000 And then, you know, Knox County and all that.

00:52:43.000 It's really incredible.

00:52:44.000 So I get so carried away and quite emotional by clubs that I have literally nothing to do with.

00:52:50.000 I don't remotely care about.

00:52:52.000 But when you see the kind of passion and the joy that it elicits and creates, you're right that we all have that ability in us.

00:53:01.000 We all want to feel the way that these people are feeling.

00:53:05.000 We just don't have the opportunity to.

00:53:07.000 Yogananda, the mystic and prophet, said that within you is a river of joy, that you are prevented from accessing by your conditioning, but it is there.

00:53:17.000 The function of ceremony, beyond the context of sport, is to elicit and access energies that are otherwise latent and dormant.

00:53:24.000 That's the point in a wedding or a funeral.

00:53:27.000 In an increasingly secularised society, you don't get the opportunity for religious ceremony anymore, because religion has been superseded by rationalism.

00:53:36.000 But when, even in a sporting context, you create ceremonies, you rightly say, Gareth, it doesn't matter what the economic rewards are, or even the degree of excellence that we're celebrating.

00:53:48.000 There's obviously no question that Manchester City are the best football team in the world.

00:53:53.000 Maybe ever.

00:53:55.000 I mean, they're a phenomenal team, managed by an extraordinary coach, with incredible resources, playing the game to an unbelievably high level.

00:54:06.000 But the fact is that elsewhere, as you say, mate, whether it's Notts County or Wrexham or West Ham winning a cup where, if you look at it plainly on paper, there's the teams that qualify for the Champions League, then there's the teams that qualify for the Europa League, Then there's the teams that qualify for the Europa League.

00:54:25.000 But think of the play-offs.

00:54:26.000 I've always thought that the play-offs in which the top teams of a division outside of the top two, so the teams between usually third and seventh or sixth, play against each other.

00:54:36.000 I've always thought, bloody hell, that's sort of better than if you'd gone up as champions, really.

00:54:41.000 You get a day at a stadium, you get a trophy, it's exciting, it's thrilling, because the ceremony Unleash is something that's there anyway.

00:54:50.000 It's already there.

00:54:51.000 It's as numb as pouring something into each individual.

00:54:51.000 You can't create it.

00:54:54.000 But communally, an energy is conjured up.

00:54:57.000 You're right.

00:54:58.000 That kid could not possibly understand the kind of tragedy that you associate with West Ham over the years.

00:55:04.000 In footballing terms, I mean.

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:07.000 But he's accessing something, isn't he?

00:55:09.000 Although elsewhere, the tragedies are directly connected to football, particularly with the club Liverpool, with the disasters around the 97 that died and the Heysel disaster.

00:55:19.000 Here's an amazing thing as well.

00:55:21.000 David Moyes, the manager of West Ham, has been derided.

00:55:27.000 He took the poison chalice of managing Manchester United immediately after Ferguson and whilst his success in retrospect is comparable to some of the other people that have taken on the role in the interceding years.

00:55:39.000 He was sort of much maligned in these periods at Sunderland and Real Sociedad were regarded as failures.

00:55:44.000 So he similarly is affected by the ceremony.

00:55:46.000 He's not like, oh, well, this is a third tier European competition.

00:55:49.000 Who cares?

00:55:50.000 I mean, if you didn't know anything about football, and I barely do, you would sort of think, well, how would you measure The importance of the event.

00:55:50.000 It's not important.

00:55:57.000 Look at all the people in the street.

00:55:59.000 And how can you bring it down by sort of going, oh, excuse me, it's not as important as that.

00:56:04.000 Well, what's the most relevant thing?

00:56:06.000 What's the realest thing?

00:56:07.000 Joy in your heart?

00:56:09.000 Or someone pointing to a bit of paper saying, this team has got loads more money.

00:56:14.000 What analytic are you going to apply to it?

00:56:16.000 Here's David Moyes giving the medal to his father.

00:56:21.000 Again, what is it telling you about what it means?

00:56:23.000 What relationships are being enshrined, celebrated, articulated, explored through the medium of football?

00:56:29.000 That's why we do this podcast.

00:56:30.000 Yes, we love football, but we're not analysts, or Gareth much more than me, analysts of strategy and tactics and stuff.

00:56:36.000 Our mate Brian McDermott, who's the director of football up here, says Gareth's a football man, like Gareth understands it.

00:56:42.000 Me, I understand it from a culture and poetic perspective.

00:56:45.000 You know, I like need stuff really spelled out to me, like I wouldn't notice, well, that's because that full bag's drunk!

00:56:52.000 That fallback's been rooming with Paul Gascoigne and hasn't had any sleep!

00:56:56.000 We'll be talking to Julian Dix about exactly that in a minute.

00:57:00.000 But it's like it's the power of the game to bring forth moments like this.

00:57:03.000 David Moore is giving his winner's medal to his 87 year old father I think.

00:57:07.000 So that's, it's love.

00:57:29.000 Watching that, that has the ability to make me cry more than watching like a really emotional film.

00:57:34.000 Like something about, things like that.

00:57:36.000 I know it's, we always kind of talk about it, it's the kind of masculinity that you associate with the male version of football mixed with the kind of emotions, it's incredible.

00:57:46.000 It's a very powerful elixir, that, because we can intuit that David Moyes, who was centre-back in his playing career, throughout his life would have had a relationship with his father, the encouragement of his father, he would have shared in the disappointments and the heartbreak with his father, and in that moment...

00:58:03.000 When it comes to his moment of absolute triumph, he gives it to his father.

00:58:07.000 It's like that's more powerful than words can deliver.

00:58:11.000 So when people are talking about football, they're not talking about football.

00:58:14.000 They're talking about something else.

00:58:15.000 They're talking about love, or they're talking about disappointment, or they're talking about betrayal, they're talking about injustice.

00:58:20.000 It's a very, very powerful social tool.

00:58:22.000 And I've always, not always, but I now believe That the movements that coalesce and gather around football could be mobilized to create a powerful and potent social movement.

00:58:35.000 And here's a person who understands the powerful elixir that is masculinity, skill and footballing greatness.

00:58:43.000 Played 325 times for West Ham, during which period he scored 65 goals.

00:58:49.000 He's a West Ham legend in the truest sense of of the word. Legend means the story is often told and he

00:58:55.000 represents something powerful.

00:58:56.000 It's Julian Dix. Alright Julian.

00:58:58.000 Hiya Russell, how are you?

00:59:00.000 I feel alright mate.

00:59:01.000 Thanks for coming on to talk about your book, Hammer Time.

00:59:04.000 Me, West Ham, and a passion for the shirt.

00:59:06.000 There's some fantastic stories in here.

00:59:08.000 The one that's caught my attention is about you sharing a room with Paul Gascoigne.

00:59:13.000 We talk about Paul Gascoigne a lot, because as well as being one of the best footballers these islands have ever produced, he somehow represented something beyond football.

00:59:21.000 Like, he didn't stop mucking around.

00:59:23.000 Like, almost everyone who knows Paul Gascoigne will tell a story about him, like, Being in their house in the dead of night or stealing a double-decker bus as an actual example.

00:59:32.000 What happened to you when you shared a room with Gazza, Julian? 0.95

00:59:37.000 Well, we were away with the under-21s in Toulon in France, and Dave Sexton, the manager, said, who wants to share with Paul Gascoigne?

00:59:46.000 No one put their hand up.

00:59:47.000 So I put my hand up.

00:59:50.000 The worst decision I ever made in football.

00:59:54.000 He was a person that never slept.

00:59:57.000 The amount of times I woke up with his backside on my face was... I've lost count.

01:00:05.000 Um, but... He did that.

01:00:07.000 Why do you think in the middle of the night, Paul Gascoigne thinks, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna one put my face in Julian's... No, my arse in Julian's face. 1.00

01:00:17.000 If he'd put his face in your arse, would that have been worse or better? 1.00

01:00:21.000 Worse, I think, really. 1.00

01:00:24.000 It would have been worse.

01:00:25.000 But he was such a good lad.

01:00:27.000 He had such a good aura about him as well.

01:00:33.000 But there was one night, my bed was right next to the toilet.

01:00:37.000 And he put 20 firecrackers around the toilet seat.

01:00:41.000 And he lit one.

01:00:42.000 And they lit every single one.

01:00:44.000 I thought it was a bomb.

01:00:46.000 So I've jumped out of my bed.

01:00:47.000 I've jumped over his bed.

01:00:49.000 And I started running down the corridor naked.

01:00:53.000 Dave Sexton come out, all the directors come out, some of their wives are out there.

01:00:57.000 And I'm naked.

01:00:59.000 I've got my hands over my parts. 0.72

01:01:02.000 And obviously Gazza's in the doorway just laughing his head off.

01:01:06.000 But I'm the one that got in trouble for that and not Gascoigne.

01:01:09.000 Yeah, I bet, because I know what happens with people like that.

01:01:11.000 They go, Julian!

01:01:13.000 You was meant to be looking after, Gazza! 1.00

01:01:15.000 What have you been doing? 0.99

01:01:16.000 Letting him put his arse in your face and letting him set off firecrackers and stuff like that? 0.99

01:01:21.000 Mate, could you tell us about that time that you went to a nightclub in Singapore and you had an injury at the time? 0.99

01:01:30.000 Yeah, I broke my ankle a few weeks before, and we were going to Australia, so our stop-off was over in Singapore, and Frank Lampard was looking after us at the time.

01:01:40.000 Harry wasn't there, but Frank was looking after us.

01:01:43.000 He said, like, you can go out for a boys' night out.

01:01:46.000 So we all went to this nightclub.

01:01:48.000 Banks had stopped me because I had a cast on my leg.

01:01:50.000 He said, you can't come in.

01:01:53.000 So All the boys still went in the nightclub. 0.99

01:01:57.000 Didn't give a shit about me. 0.99

01:01:58.000 So I went back to my club doctor. 0.99

01:02:02.000 I said, look, you've got to cut this off.

01:02:04.000 I said, the bouncer won't let me in the nightclub.

01:02:06.000 He went, well, I haven't got the right tools.

01:02:08.000 So I've got a bread knife.

01:02:10.000 And he cut it off with a bread knife.

01:02:11.000 And I went back to the nightclub and the bouncer let me in.

01:02:16.000 As a proper in my day story, I can't imagine today's revelers like Jack Grealish being willing to get the old bread knife out and hack off a cast.

01:02:26.000 Julian, in a recent poll you were voted, I think, the hardest footballer above the likes of Razor Ruddick, Vinnie Jones, and of course, Big Dunk Ferguson.

01:02:37.000 What does that mean?

01:02:39.000 Do you think when people say that you're hard?

01:02:41.000 Does it just mean that you add a lot of red cards?

01:02:43.000 Does it mean you played the game in a certain way?

01:02:45.000 And why is it?

01:02:45.000 Do you think that that aspect of the sport is something that's fetishized and celebrated and that people admire?

01:02:52.000 I think obviously with my red cards and my fights I used to have on the pitch stood me as number one.

01:03:01.000 I can't believe Razor was in the top Even in the top 10, to be honest.

01:03:05.000 Big Dunk, yeah.

01:03:06.000 Big Dunk was a handful.

01:03:08.000 And Vinny was a handful.

01:03:11.000 But back then, you had to look after yourself.

01:03:14.000 You had to look after yourself, got the players you come up against.

01:03:17.000 And as I said, the players that I used to play against, people like Franz Carr, Tony Daly, Roel Fox, they were rapid.

01:03:24.000 They were so quick.

01:03:26.000 They could give me five yards over 10 and still beat me.

01:03:30.000 But luckily, back then, you could kick people. 0.88

01:03:34.000 And I did kick many of them.

01:03:37.000 And if I caught them two or three times, they wouldn't come back.

01:03:42.000 I see, so it's in a sense using maybe a slightly less explicit aspect of the sport to gain an advantage.

01:03:53.000 But one of the other things that a lot of people know, but many people watching may not know, is that your managerial career and your career as a coach has involved coaching female teams, West Ham ladies and I think some other clubs as well.

01:04:06.000 There's almost... part of the culture war is about the ownership of the sport.

01:04:11.000 You can see that, like, women's football is, in my view, correctly promoted, but it seems to be somehow a cultural project.

01:04:18.000 It's interesting for me, at least, Julian, to think that whilst in the game you were very much regarded at the extreme end of masculinity, particularly if you associate masculinity with combat and violence, and yet you have become a very successful figure within the female game.

01:04:34.000 Can you tell me, are those two worlds at odds with one another?

01:04:39.000 What differences are there in the games?

01:04:41.000 Or do the same fundamental principles apply regardless of gender or sex?

01:04:46.000 For me, as a manager of managing the West Ham ladies, it was the same.

01:04:51.000 I treated them the same as the men.

01:04:53.000 At the end of the day, if they needed a bollocking, I would give them a bollocking.

01:04:57.000 I had one or two cry on me, which I've never had that in a man's game. 0.99

01:05:03.000 Again, there's obviously the World Cup, the European Championship for the ladies, and obviously the Super Leagues.

01:05:08.000 It just needs more supporting.

01:05:10.000 So when you watch the games, for me, unless it's a final, there's not enough people really supporting the women's football.

01:05:18.000 So you are an advocate for the women's game and support of the women's game more broadly, and you regard them essentially to be the same thing.

01:05:26.000 Mate, what did you think about events in Prague?

01:05:30.000 Do you think it's significant for West Ham?

01:05:32.000 Me and Gareth were talking about the fact that even though anyone who knows anything about the game recognizes that it's, you know, the third tier of European

01:05:40.000 football, it doesn't seem that that's proportionate to the emotional

01:05:44.000 impact, or the cultural impact, or the social impact it's had on

01:05:47.000 West Ham.

01:05:48.000 Why is that, mate?

01:05:50.000 Well, at the end of the day, it's a final.

01:05:53.000 It doesn't matter if it's the third tier, it is a European final.

01:05:57.000 And West Ham won it.

01:05:58.000 And we celebrate that.

01:06:00.000 I was at the Indigo Bar at the O2, and it was electric there.

01:06:05.000 I mean, there was two and a half thousand fans there, and it was a magnificent night, especially when Boeing scored that late, late goal in the 90th minute, even though the referee played an extra eight minutes.

01:06:19.000 It was just a magical night, and it's been a long time coming for West Ham.

01:06:23.000 Thanks for sending that message to my dad, Ron Brand, who broke his ribs when we celebrated that goal.

01:06:29.000 And my mate, James Okinajan, moved too rapidly and aggressively towards me, causing me to barrel eventually into my dad and for him to break three ribs.

01:06:37.000 He's still in Kingston Hospital.

01:06:39.000 Thanks to the nurses and doctors there.

01:06:41.000 Thank you for that video message, Julian, that you sent.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, it was like a peculiar and extraordinary night, and it brought up a lot of powerful feelings.

01:06:51.000 A lot of people, a lot of my mates are West End fans, and we're all very excited to have you on the show.

01:06:56.000 It's really kind of you to come on, Julian.

01:06:59.000 I love this book of yours, mate.

01:07:02.000 It's fantastic.

01:07:03.000 I'm recommending it and endorsing it.

01:07:05.000 Before we wrap up, mate, can you tell me what your favourite moments as a West Ham player were, or at least the most memorable?

01:07:12.000 And maybe could that include when you had a fight with Dennis Wise?

01:07:18.000 To be fair, my 11 years at West Ham were magical.

01:07:24.000 Even, like, my injuries and stuff like that.

01:07:26.000 The fans...

01:07:27.000 Just the best fans in the world.

01:07:29.000 Upton Park was the best ground in the world to play at, in my opinion.

01:07:34.000 My favourite memory was getting promotion in 92-93 with Billy Barnes as our manager.

01:07:41.000 That was a great feeling.

01:07:43.000 And like I said, the crowd come on the pitch.

01:07:46.000 Again, it reminded me a bit of the cup final when everybody just was so happy.

01:07:53.000 For weeks and weeks, they were just happy.

01:07:57.000 Yeah, like the next day after the final, like during the final itself, I felt a bit numb and I know my dad did because of his horrific respiratory system injuries.

01:08:06.000 But like, uh, the next day is when I was looking at like the press conference, I felt sort of like, I felt very tearful about it.

01:08:14.000 It brought to the surface a lot of emotions.

01:08:18.000 Uh, Gareth's a Hull fan and has a particular affiliation for and affinity with Jared Bowen that famous chart now

01:08:26.000 Bowens on fire and he's shagging Danny Dyer It seems to have become an unofficial anthem of it Danny Dyer

01:08:33.000 is the daughter of celebrity and actor Danny Dyer Very much an East End folk hero and very brilliant

01:08:40.000 Actor it's pretty it's pretty amazing the way these sort of phenomena emerge out of the game

01:08:45.000 Julian and it like the culture is so sort of potent extraordinary things continue like a merge people's destiny

01:08:52.000 Gets written in moments like that and now Jared Bowen's sex life is going to be something forever connected to that

01:08:58.000 victory Yeah, I'm sure he'd be

01:09:01.000 He'd be happy with that Like I said, it was a magical night and I don't think anybody could say anything to wipe the smile off his face.

01:09:16.000 In fact, here he is.

01:09:16.000 They can't.

01:09:17.000 Let's have a look at a clip of Jared Bowen singing that song, I think, with West Ham fans on the night.

01:09:21.000 Let's have a look at that.

01:09:22.000 Oh, Yeah, it's good.

01:09:36.000 Also, I like Danny Dyer's analysis of that.

01:09:39.000 Danny Dyer, the actor, who shares a name with his daughter, who indeed, Jared Bowen, is now a matter of record, is shagging.

01:09:47.000 Not only shagging, I think they've got children! 0.62

01:09:49.000 I've just had, like, tweets.

01:09:50.000 It's not shagging.

01:09:51.000 It's not a casual relationship.

01:09:52.000 They're married.

01:09:52.000 This is Danny Dyer, Julian, talking about that.

01:09:55.000 He's sort of quite proud of it.

01:09:57.000 I think he says he's somehow starved of charm.

01:09:59.000 He's good.

01:10:00.000 What do you make of the song, by the way, as well?

01:10:02.000 Well, I think there's a bit of romance in it.

01:10:02.000 I've got to ask.

01:10:06.000 Think about it, right?

01:10:07.000 They're saying Bowie is on fire, which is unreal.

01:10:07.000 It's a compliment.

01:10:10.000 And he's also shagging Danny Dyer.

01:10:11.000 That is unreal. And he's also shagging Danny Dyer.

01:10:15.000 If you think about it, it's like, it can't get any better.

01:10:19.000 So there's a compliment in there.

01:10:21.000 I'll tell you what, the winner in that one.

01:10:23.000 Listen, sometimes I'll start the song off over West End, I'm not even gonna lie.

01:10:27.000 That's amazing.

01:10:29.000 That's amazing the kind of rationalisation.

01:10:31.000 Even the, not the honour of his daughter, but certainly a song that involves Shaggy now, can be re-contextualised.

01:10:38.000 positively at a time like this. Julian, thank you so much for joining us, mate.

01:10:42.000 Well done writing this book. It's a fantastic read. We'll post a link in the description

01:10:47.000 now for where to order it. Thanks, Julian, and thank you for the amazing service that you gave

01:10:51.000 to West Ham United and the game for being a brilliant coach for West Ham, ladies, and

01:10:55.000 congratulations on your book, mate.

01:10:57.000 Thank you very much.

01:10:59.000 Julian, thank you very much.

01:11:00.000 Julian's book, Hammer Time, is out now.

01:11:03.000 The other thing about that song, Bowie's on Fire, and the first time we ever discussed it, mate, was when it was sung about Will Greig, because of the Sunderland Till I Die documentary.

01:11:14.000 They go, is it Greig or Greig?

01:11:16.000 Greig, I think?

01:11:17.000 Will Greig, let us know in the chat.

01:11:18.000 Will Greig's on fire!

01:11:20.000 But then I don't know how they finished it, because he weren't shagging Danny Dutton.

01:11:23.000 No, he wasn't.

01:11:24.000 We're not taking it in that direction.

01:11:25.000 No.

01:11:25.000 Now, this is better.

01:11:27.000 Yeah, because the tagline is better than the on-fire bit.

01:11:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:31.000 The other thing I want to say, though, is I think the original lyrics of that song are free from desire.

01:11:37.000 Correct.

01:11:38.000 That's a weird thing to have a song about, because that's a very... I mean, that's actually one of the most spiritual concepts that there is.

01:11:45.000 Right.

01:11:45.000 Free from desire.

01:11:46.000 God, yeah.

01:11:47.000 Like, you're free from it.

01:11:48.000 Like, the one way to... It's about enlightenment.

01:11:51.000 It's a song that's literally about enlightenment, because they say...

01:11:55.000 One way to make yourself happy is by getting what you want, but that is so unlikely erratic and rare, like West Ham winning a trophy.

01:12:04.000 The other way is to let go of desire, to become free from desire.

01:12:10.000 And you're shagging Danny Dyer. 1.00

01:12:11.000 It's like really weird sort of when you're so tied together.

01:12:14.000 I'm surprised there's a song called Free From Desire.

01:12:18.000 Could be a success.

01:12:19.000 It's such a difficult message.

01:12:21.000 Yeah.

01:12:22.000 It's a hard message to carry.

01:12:23.000 Who could have predicted it?

01:12:25.000 Probably Gareth Roy who seems to have an uncanny ability to predict outcomes of footballing events.

01:12:30.000 This is our final predictions week now and we will reveal the champion.

01:12:34.000 I love this.

01:12:35.000 If this, if did Jack make that because that's his best graphic Achievement, in my opinion, because yellow indicates correct score, green is 100% correct.

01:12:45.000 Gareth correctly predicted the result.

01:12:48.000 In fact, after when Fiorentina equalised on the night, you went, my prediction was 2-1.

01:12:53.000 Yeah.

01:12:53.000 You said it.

01:12:54.000 I stood by it.

01:12:55.000 He spelt correct wrong.

01:12:58.000 Oh, let's have a look.

01:13:00.000 Jack!

01:13:01.000 Jack, look at the top of the screen.

01:13:04.000 You've misspe- Even in his best graphic, he's misspelled a word that he uses twice.

01:13:09.000 Just look at that in the top corner, right?

01:13:11.000 Green equals correct. 0.96

01:13:13.000 Yellow equals correct result.

01:13:15.000 Red, wrong.

01:13:16.000 Oh, he's just connected it now! 0.99

01:13:18.000 Where's my fucking Lionel Richie thing? 0.99

01:13:21.000 If you can work so quickly on the job. 0.99

01:13:23.000 I want my stay you, stay free, stay for always.

01:13:27.000 So Gareth wins that.

01:13:28.000 So Gareth's doing his own treble.

01:13:30.000 You're not, you're not amalgamating that into the other league.

01:13:32.000 So there you go.

01:13:33.000 Gareth has won the European Championship.

01:13:35.000 He's the champion of that.

01:13:36.000 He's done a double.

01:13:37.000 If there's another competition, he'll probably win that.

01:13:39.000 It's hegemony.

01:13:40.000 Are you backed by the Saudis?

01:13:42.000 Yes.

01:13:42.000 Are you backed by Abu Dhabi?

01:13:44.000 That's right.

01:13:45.000 I'm trying to make ends meet on my rumble money.

01:13:48.000 I'm trying to... I'm a plucky underdog!

01:13:51.000 West Ham's like money, it comes out of porn. 0.85

01:13:53.000 Yeah, I know, yeah. 0.99

01:13:55.000 The sweet smell of wanking is what's behind West Ham United's success. 0.76

01:14:00.000 Well, listen, that's all we've got time for this week on Football Is Nice.

01:14:04.000 We will be back next week.

01:14:07.000 you. Until then, thank you for joining us on football is nice. On our show tomorrow,

01:14:21.000 we have a very special guest.

01:14:23.000 Presidential candidate, Marianne Williamson.

01:14:26.000 You're gonna love this interview because we organised it specifically with a great deal of skill and endeavour from the predictor here.

01:14:33.000 Hull's own predicting machine, Gareth Roy, reorganised the interview.

01:14:37.000 So that we talk about issues that matter specifically to you.

01:14:40.000 We talk about corruption, hegemony.

01:14:42.000 We talk about the military-industrial complex.

01:14:44.000 We talk about why democracy matters.

01:14:45.000 We didn't let this become a partisan issue.

01:14:48.000 We talked about the necessity for radical change.

01:14:50.000 I think it's... I'm gonna go as far as say this.

01:14:53.000 I think it's the best interview Marianne Williamson has ever done.

01:14:55.000 And it's not my job to say that, is it?

01:14:57.000 It looks like she's flattered to be asked.

01:14:59.000 Oh, what?

01:15:00.000 I can come on your show?

01:15:02.000 Oh, well, that is flattering.

01:15:03.000 Thank you.

01:15:03.000 Thank you for coming on my show.

01:15:05.000 So, uh, yeah, join us for that.

01:15:07.000 My stand-up special is premiering on the 25th of June on Moment.

01:15:10.000 There's a link in the description to see that.

01:15:11.000 My show, Brandemic.

01:15:13.000 You will love it.

01:15:14.000 I talk about the craziness of the last three years.

01:15:16.000 You now know the truth.

01:15:17.000 We have a real laugh about it in that show.

01:15:19.000 There's a link in the description.

01:15:20.000 It's uncensored, self-made.

01:15:22.000 It helps me if you get it.

01:15:23.000 Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:15:26.000 Until then, stay free.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - June 15, 2023

Covid’s Origin: BOMBSHELL New Report Is A GAME-CHANGER! - #147 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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