Stay Free - Russel Brand - Crack On: Abortion, Sexuality and the Spiritual War Within — SF693

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 Of course, we're doing Krakon today.

00:00:21.000 That's our opportunity to talk about addiction.

00:00:23.000 Wherever you're watching us, join us on Rumble and Get Rumble Premium.

00:00:26.000 Over the course of the next few days, I'm on a very secret mission that I can't even tell you about, but I will be back soon.

00:00:32.000 Enjoy this content.

00:00:33.000 Firstly, pro-choice or pro-life?

00:00:37.000 Can you be Christian and still be pro-choice?

00:00:40.000 Check this out.

00:00:41.000 I'm absolutely in favor of women having the right to choose regarding their bodies. 1.00

00:00:52.000 I'm fully supportive.

00:00:53.000 Would you agree that that is killing a human being?

00:00:56.000 I do not think that is killing a human being as long as it is in compliance with what medical professionals recommend.

00:01:05.000 As a representative of the Diocese of London, elected General Sylod, I am fully in favor of women having the right to choose regarding their own bodies.

00:01:16.000 I entirely support that.

00:01:18.000 That's a view shared by many of my colleagues on.

00:01:21.000 So back to the question: do you believe that Christ was fully human inside the womb?

00:01:30.000 Now you see why I asked the question.

00:01:34.000 You see, if you say that inside the womb after conception, we're not talking about human beings, then that means you deny that Christ was fully human inside the womb, which means that you've fallen into a heresy because you're in denial of Christ's full humanity.

00:01:52.000 If you try to imply that Christ became human at some point inside the point of conception, or that his divinity attached himself to some kind of humanity later, that moves towards Nestorian heresy.

00:02:08.000 Well, that's some serious checkmate from my man there.

00:02:11.000 With the like, that was a really why I say checkmate because it's such an interesting move, like to go from the moment of conception.

00:02:20.000 Because I suppose you can make medical arguments, even on a with a less sophisticated argument, I was when he says a woman's body, it seems as I get deeper into my understanding of Christianity, that what's quite fundamental is the idea that you belong to God, you belong to God primarily.

00:02:40.000 My mate Sam said this interesting thing with another project I'm working on where I was talking about Bathsheba and David in the Bible.

00:02:50.000 One of David's key sins is his adultery with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah.

00:02:59.000 And I was sort of talking about that and it's something I'm working on.

00:03:03.000 And my mate Sam said, even the idea that consent between two human beings can supersede God's law shows you where you're locating ultimate authority.

00:03:16.000 You're saying that ultimate authority is human.

00:03:20.000 And so even the argument that you are entitled to do what you want with your body is a type of heresy.

00:03:27.000 It's not so sort of profoundly heretical as where my man went with that, you know, Christ in the womb.

00:03:33.000 What do you guys think about that as more experienced than Christians and me?

00:03:40.000 Dave?

00:03:41.000 Oh, you don't want to wade into the old abortions, Jake. 0.65

00:03:44.000 Oh, I will.

00:03:45.000 I just thought Dave was thinking.

00:03:46.000 Be kind to Dave.

00:03:48.000 Of course, I don't agree with the board, but I also, one of my thoughts on seeing that is I hate gotcha type deals.

00:03:58.000 It's like it's kind of set up to like, I gotcha.

00:04:02.000 I think he's right, but he could be right and not necessarily right in how he did that.

00:04:08.000 I also think like if someone's going to change their mind or be, is that guy open?

00:04:15.000 He's trying to seek truth.

00:04:19.000 Like, was that productive?

00:04:21.000 Like, is that a conversation that's actually going to help someone see truth?

00:04:26.000 The other thing is, Jake, like that when you've been involved in abortions, and I have, like, you, I remember having a conversation with this brilliant female performance artist, stroke musical artist called Amanda Palmer.

00:04:40.000 She was married to that guy, Neil Gaiman, who's written some really brilliant books, like, and loads of them have been super successful and made into movies and stuff.

00:04:48.000 And she is an excellent performer, really brilliant woman.

00:04:52.000 She'd done a version of that song from Frozen, Let It Go, and reframed it around her own abortion, you know?

00:05:02.000 Don't hold me back anymore.

00:05:03.000 And I had this conversation with her about abortion where I sort of was, I hadn't come to the Lord and I was saying, it is awful though, isn't it?

00:05:11.000 And I goes, and in a way, it's sort of someone going into an abortion clinic and people protesting outside it.

00:05:16.000 At least are surely in agreement that this isn't nothing.

00:05:20.000 And she talked about her own experience with abortion.

00:05:23.000 And I feel like the kind of glibness or celebratory side of it started to fold away.

00:05:29.000 You know, we know like how we feel, don't we, when the subject comes near to us.

00:05:33.000 Like, have you ever like, you know, if someone shows you any of the material of it, you're like, whoa, no, no, no, you can't go near it, can you?

00:05:40.000 You need to have a hearth stone to be able to just go, yeah, that doesn't bother me.

00:05:40.000 It hits you.

00:05:45.000 Like it's too, it glitches you, I think.

00:05:48.000 It hits you beyond self in the same way that sometimes I feel the challenge.

00:05:53.000 Forgive the strangeness of this comparison, but sometimes I feel the challenges we face as men when it comes to objectification is almost like a factory settings as well as a cultural, something that's culturally augmented or amplified.

00:06:09.000 Like when you're like, I'm not going to stare, it's sort of like you've really got to make a deliberate spiritual choice there.

00:06:16.000 And like with the subject of abortion, there's something so awful about it, even as Dave says, the gotcha approach ain't appropriate.

00:06:26.000 In that clip, I didn't see that guy as like, I'm trying to catch this guy in a lie.

00:06:26.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:06:30.000 It seemed like a very not charged discussion.

00:06:35.000 Like almost like this is, I don't know, if he could have known he would set that up, that would be pretty amazing, you know, of a setup.

00:06:41.000 It seemed like he just sort of pivoted into the truth.

00:06:44.000 And that felt like that guy almost was like, oh my gosh, I haven't.

00:06:48.000 I hadn't thought of that before.

00:06:50.000 That is the goal is our own, I don't know, our own thoughts, the things that we think to be true, have to collide with what God says is truth at some point.

00:07:03.000 And for us, we have to go, I don't trust myself.

00:07:03.000 Yes.

00:07:07.000 Like, I have to give up my free will back to you, Lord.

00:07:10.000 Oh, man.

00:07:11.000 You know, and that has to be the goal.

00:07:14.000 See what I get.

00:07:15.000 See, because it's such a big subject, you've got to obviously, you know, you don't have to be careful.

00:07:18.000 You can do what you like, but like, it's sometimes it's nice to be careful.

00:07:20.000 But what, see what you're saying there, Jake, about truth?

00:07:23.000 One of the things I've encountered is, say, with the areas I find difficult, like I don't feel comfortable judging people around their sexuality, right?

00:07:32.000 And but luckily, it says in the word, don't judge others.

00:07:36.000 So I can just not judge others and I'm out of that problem.

00:07:36.000 So that's cool.

00:07:39.000 But when it said, when it lists, when it itinerizes sort of sin, it says, you know, sexual immorality, as I'm referring to Corinthians here, sexual immorality, it says homosexuality and stuff. 0.99

00:07:52.000 When I'm like trying to mess with that in my head, when I'm trying to understand it in my head, or as our beautiful friend Charlotte Boeff would say, do you fuck with the Bible? 1.00

00:08:01.000 Do you fuck with Chester? 0.99

00:08:02.000 When I try to fuck with that in my head, I'm like, what I get to is what it leads you to, whether it's abortion or living in harmony with one's own sexual preferences, mine were sinfully to be very promiscuous and to have sex with anyone who wanted to. 1.00

00:08:23.000 I recognize now that your self is the supreme principle, that in order to have sex with whoever you want, if there is scriptural guidance that prohibits it or directs you away from it, you have to supersede that principle with another principle. 0.99

00:08:41.000 I want to.

00:08:42.000 You have to do that.

00:08:44.000 You have to go, I want to.

00:08:46.000 And until you're willing to say, I want to is not the supreme principle, there are other things that are more important than I want to.

00:08:55.000 Now, all of us sort of acknowledge that in sort of ways, kind of otherwise films wouldn't be able to have heroes in them because no one would be emotionally moved when someone sacrifices themselves for another person's well-being, for example.

00:09:09.000 But whether it's, you know, the reason it was wrong for me to sleep around is because I did it motivated by what I wanted.

00:09:16.000 That was the most important thing.

00:09:18.000 I didn't think this is not going to be beneficial to these people.

00:09:24.000 And even if it was, it was still wrong because what were we all doing there?

00:09:30.000 Yeah, beneficial to them or you.

00:09:32.000 I mean, you can't forget you in the equation.

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:34.000 Like there is a, you're, you're going through all of this now as a result of that time as well.

00:09:39.000 So it's not like you go, I hurt those people.

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.000 Whatever, but I feel great.

00:09:43.000 Like there's, there's consequences whenever we do anything outside of the will of God.

00:09:48.000 Anything, no matter what it is.

00:09:50.000 Oh, man.

00:09:51.000 That's so good.

00:09:52.000 And that aligns with a really beautiful piece of our recovery philosophy that we've mentioned before on Krakon.

00:10:00.000 Whenever we have a resentment, we usually find at some point in the past, we've made a decision based on self that's put us in a position to be hurt.

00:10:11.000 And this idea based on self, based on self, not based on God, I wasn't going around sleeping with people because I thought God would benefit somehow.

00:10:21.000 I was doing it because I wanted to.

00:10:23.000 And when I've been reflecting on the reason I'm, again, I don't want to fall into my, into the Tommy Robinson trap where I raised the fact that I jerked off a man in a toilet in front of Tommy Robinson and had to spend like that 20 minutes dealing with Tommy Robinson's shock.

00:10:38.000 It was like it was not something you can mention as an aside to Tommy Robinson.

00:10:42.000 But anyway, like when I'm thinking about, because there's lots of people that are gay that I love and I don't feel like I want to be seen as in any way judging them.

00:10:51.000 But when, you know, like the, the, when I think about Christ and the beloved disciple John, and the intimacy that they know and the love that they know, and the love that is therefore available to all of us in him, by saying, by saying that the supreme expression of yourself is your sexual expression of yourself, you're making an interesting claim.

00:11:19.000 You're making an interesting claim that's worthy of unpacking and the culture would say, like you know, you've got, if you're a gay person, that you must come out as if your sexual identity is your supreme and absolute identity.

00:11:33.000 Now I I, as a petrisexual person, I did live for a long time like my sexual identity was my absolute identity.

00:11:41.000 I wonder what you do with that.

00:11:43.000 What do you think about that mate? 0.99

00:11:48.000 It's shallow.

00:11:49.000 That's the very first thing I think of.

00:11:50.000 It's like a shallow, and I'm not saying like not seeing that on the person.

00:11:55.000 I just think if that is your identity, there's that's it.

00:12:01.000 In a sense, like, I mean, there's so much more.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, because it does come down to just sex.

00:12:06.000 Because if you're talking about, and maybe male-on-male relationships have been skewed for so long that people don't understand that it's okay to have deep, longing, loving friendships for, you know, like I always think David and Jonathan.

00:12:21.000 So then it just becomes sex again.

00:12:25.000 Right.

00:12:25.000 It is, in it, they love each other so much, David and Jonathan.

00:12:28.000 Maybe David and Jonathan love each other more than they love any woman.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, because there's stuff in the Bible that says like, don't get married.

00:12:35.000 You know, like there's stuff that's like, like, I think it would be more complicated.

00:12:39.000 You have more distractions.

00:12:41.000 You have like all these things that can, you have to worry and care about your spouse instead of just being devoted to the Lord.

00:12:49.000 So what if, I mean, in a world where it's like there's just friends, they love each other.

00:12:55.000 So then it just becomes about sex.

00:12:57.000 That's got to be the cross the line, right?

00:12:59.000 To be.

00:13:00.000 It's interesting, isn't it?

00:13:01.000 Because any counter argument to that is the claim that God wouldn't make me feel this way if he didn't want me to do it.

00:13:08.000 But what stops you making that claim about, therefore, anything you want to do?

00:13:12.000 Well, God wouldn't make me this way if he don't like once you, then you have to make a, then you have to make recourse to a secondary authority. 0.83

00:13:20.000 Look, we all know the difference that Peter Philiy is wrong, but it's okay to be promiscuous or gay. 0.99

00:13:25.000 We've set that new bar.

00:13:27.000 Well, you don't have that authority.

00:13:28.000 That's basically the like, but I suppose the other Christian component is you yourself focus on you.

00:13:35.000 You are, your body is a temple.

00:13:37.000 So get in your temple and work on making sure that you are behaving in a holy and divine way.

00:13:44.000 If you're spending even one second of your day going, yo, what are they doing over there at the gay community? 1.00

00:13:50.000 And then you best not be looking at any porn ever. 0.99

00:13:55.000 Because if you are, you've got, get in there and mind your own business innit.

00:14:00.000 And I suppose that's the challenge is people create convenient hierarchies of sin from which they can then go judge others.

00:14:08.000 And I think that you lot who have a different relationship with the church because you've grown up in Christian communities and grown up in churches and been around churches and worked in churches and all that kind of stuff.

00:14:17.000 You know about that, huh? 0.90

00:14:20.000 But there's that kind of pharisaic, hypocritical stuff. 0.97

00:14:23.000 Yeah, jaded by it. 0.94

00:14:24.000 I mean, I went through seminary.

00:14:26.000 I feel like I'm still recovering from it.

00:14:28.000 What goes on in that seminar?

00:14:28.000 Why?

00:14:29.000 The culture there.

00:14:29.000 Oh, man.

00:14:31.000 It's just moral.

00:14:33.000 Like, who's more moral?

00:14:36.000 it gets goofy and it i jake has jake's healthier than both of us I could say that probably.

00:14:46.000 Like, Jake, I feel like it's probably.

00:14:48.000 This guy here.

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 Him, Jake.

00:14:51.000 Yeah.

00:14:52.000 Well, well, we're going to start saying that Joe and Massey are healthy.

00:14:55.000 I mean, where does this end?

00:14:58.000 I think Joe means it.

00:15:00.000 I'm not arguing with you on the case of Jake.

00:15:02.000 Joe and Massey, I'll probably have a pretty serious argument.

00:15:04.000 But like, Jake, what's your point about Jake, though, Dave?

00:15:08.000 Well, I feel like he's probably, I, I'm still, I still really struggle with church culture.

00:15:14.000 I feel like it's anti-Christian. 0.96

00:15:16.000 Yeah.

00:15:17.000 It's like the opposite of what the Bible is.

00:15:20.000 It's the opposite of my experience with Jesus.

00:15:22.000 It's the opposite of what I read in scripture.

00:15:27.000 So at least here in the South, I mean, it's different.

00:15:27.000 Yeah.

00:15:30.000 It's different in different areas of the world.

00:15:33.000 But here in especially Dallas, Dallas is like the belt buckle of the Bible Belt.

00:15:39.000 And it is, I mean, church business.

00:15:43.000 And the cultures they create around there are, It wasn't meant to be that.

00:15:48.000 No.

00:15:49.000 I don't think that was what Jesus was thinking of, is creating these massive corporation churches.

00:15:54.000 I don't think so.

00:15:55.000 I think, yeah, like, yeah, the idea of, of course, it's a body, so that is literally corporate, but I get the sense that it's meant to be decentralized.

00:16:06.000 I just, for me, I just have seen all aspects of it and been deeply involved in large mega churches, small house churches, you know, and there's people I don't like in either one of them.

00:16:20.000 So for me, it's like I could go, oh, you know, the crunchy house.

00:16:24.000 I mean, I got people that pop up in my head, live down the street from me that I'm like, I don't want to spend any time with them.

00:16:30.000 And I think I've been in the large mega church of people, I'm going, this guy's doing it all for show.

00:16:36.000 And then I get to know him a little better.

00:16:37.000 And I'm going, this is an awesome person that really is just trying to do what the Lord's called him to do.

00:16:42.000 That doesn't mean that there aren't the same people who you feel this guy's doing it for the wrong reasons.

00:16:48.000 Then you get to know him and you're like, yeah, he's doing it for the wrong reasons. 1.00

00:16:51.000 He's a piece of trash. 0.98

00:16:52.000 I just don't think that it's like I've seen it for what it is and I never put my trust in any of it anyway. 0.99

00:17:00.000 So it's not like I'm getting my hopes up by every church experience that I go to.

00:17:04.000 And that's not like the main icing on the cake for me.

00:17:08.000 I don't go to a sermon, go to a church waiting for what good word am I going to get because I'm getting it all throughout the week anyway.

00:17:14.000 So it's, I guess I see it for what it is and I'm not affected by it.

00:17:20.000 Though there have been times where I've been deeply affected by it.

00:17:25.000 Any kind of partisanship or tribalism is probably not good.

00:17:31.000 You probably shouldn't care that much, even though caring, I mean, tribalism is everywhere from football to nationalism.

00:17:40.000 It's very difficult to not start to get into that stuff. 0.83

00:17:45.000 But in a way, I suppose it's always when you return to him, when you return continually to Christ, it starts to become ridiculous. 0.53

00:17:55.000 It starts to well, I'll give you an example.

00:17:58.000 And he uses all of it.

00:18:00.000 So even the Pharisees, even the people that he knew, even the sitting around the Last Supper, knowing people were about to, you know, Judas was about to do what he did.

00:18:09.000 He still uses them.

00:18:10.000 He still loves them.

00:18:11.000 He still does things in the midst of it.

00:18:13.000 Like I, I went to a healing service one time and that's like completely out of my comfort zone.

00:18:19.000 And there was this guy who was a showman.

00:18:22.000 I mean, he was doing no-look healings, you know.

00:18:25.000 He'd be like, you fire God.

00:18:28.000 He asked this guy.

00:18:29.000 He's like, he's like, you have a pacemaker?

00:18:32.000 The guy's like, no.

00:18:33.000 And he just hits him on the chest.

00:18:34.000 Fire God.

00:18:36.000 And I'm looking around.

00:18:39.000 And this guy at one point goes, who has, you know, who has asthma or something?

00:18:46.000 And he chases this guy around the church.

00:18:49.000 And the guy who's doing it is like older.

00:18:51.000 The pastor's like 75 years old.

00:18:53.000 Doesn't look like he's in the best shape.

00:18:54.000 Chases this guy around.

00:18:55.000 He goes, you almost let me catch you, son.

00:18:57.000 You didn't have faith about your asthma.

00:19:00.000 And then the guy's like, I just had triple knee replacement surgery.

00:19:04.000 And the pastor's like, okay, brother, we're going to pray for you.

00:19:08.000 So all that's happening.

00:19:09.000 At one point, he goes, someone in here has been holding on to an affair that ruined their family.

00:19:19.000 And all of a sudden, you hear two separate people crying out, one from the front row, one from the back row.

00:19:26.000 And I know the person in the front row.

00:19:30.000 And the person crying in the back row is the woman who ruined the girl in the front row's family. 1.00

00:19:38.000 So, and now they're separated.

00:19:41.000 And now this lady, who was the home wrecker of the whole situation, has now given her life to Jesus.

00:19:47.000 They both realize it's them.

00:19:51.000 Oh, cool.

00:19:52.000 And they come together at the end of the service.

00:19:55.000 And it's, you know, the lady's dad is the one who had the affair with the other lady that's crying in the back.

00:20:02.000 And so they get to have redemption in the front of this church, healing, crying.

00:20:08.000 With the same man that was.

00:20:10.000 No look blessings.

00:20:12.000 Ah, fire God, heal him out.

00:20:15.000 So it's like you can be wrong on 95% of it and God still use it.

00:20:20.000 And I could have missed out on even any of that by just going, yeah.

00:20:25.000 It's true.

00:20:26.000 God will work despite us.

00:20:28.000 He says that too, then people that are clear, they're casting out demons, Lord, in your name.

00:20:34.000 Should we stop them?

00:20:35.000 He's like, no, that's cool.

00:20:36.000 Let them crack on.

00:20:39.000 Like he's not bothered about that kind of stuff.

00:20:42.000 Wow, this is, you know, it's not a brand.

00:20:46.000 This anonymity thing is pretty important because, of course, it's so significant in the 12 steps as well.

00:20:50.000 And like the character of Bill W, I'm not comparing him to Jesus, a more fallen and broken man.

00:20:56.000 It's difficult to imagine.

00:20:57.000 He was sort of like financially corrupt, morally corrupt, and obviously an alcoholic.

00:21:02.000 But somehow he marshalled all of those flaws and defects of character, as they would be called, in a sort of a 12-step lexicon into not starting the Bill W system of Alcoholics Anonymous, starring Bill W. You can turn your W into a winner.

00:21:22.000 And like the fact that this person who was, I recognize this guy, entrepreneurial, a show-off, broken womanizer, like takes his name and money out of it.

00:21:33.000 It kind of, in a sense, we start to recognize what the ring fence has to be.

00:21:38.000 Because when you're describing, fire God, man, it's Elvis and it's Vegas Elvis is what comes to my mind is Vegas Elvis.

00:21:46.000 And one time I went to, and this I must have known a lot less if such a thing were possible then than I even know now because I went to this church and it was in a room at the Hilton, you know, and it was like it was guessed it was near the airport in LA.

00:21:58.000 It's mostly black people there and it was just going on.

00:22:00.000 And I've always, always been fascinated by church and churches.

00:22:03.000 So I went in there and a guy was doing, he looked like when, you know, when Chappelle plays a character that's got buck teeth or whatever, I feel like it might be in an Eddie Murphy movie.

00:22:10.000 It might have been one of them Norbert type movies.

00:22:12.000 The guy looked like that and he was old and he was getting people up to the front and stuff.

00:22:18.000 I was at a screenwriting course.

00:22:18.000 I was at something else.

00:22:20.000 I was at a screenwriting course in the same hotel and this church thing was going on.

00:22:24.000 I was like, whoa, this looks amazing.

00:22:25.000 I went in and he was calling people up to heal them.

00:22:29.000 And then when he was healing them, they were laying down, you know, and like going, oh.

00:22:33.000 And I thought, I'll have some.

00:22:35.000 But I really deeply thought this isn't real.

00:22:38.000 And like, I went up the front and he sort of put hands on me and like, and I felt nothing.

00:22:44.000 And like, he sort of, I saw him look appealingly at me in a kind of, come on, mate.

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 And that's what I'm like, do it then. 0.97

00:22:51.000 Don't be, don't fucking ruin this. 0.90

00:22:53.000 And so I went, oh, I had to do it as well. 0.96

00:22:57.000 You know, like, even like, even though I could, it was.

00:23:02.000 That same day, that same service, there was like, you know, in the Cajun culture, they got some big people.

00:23:09.000 They like to eat.

00:23:10.000 Tubby folks.

00:23:11.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:23:12.000 Like we used to, the pastor used to say, this can fit 1,500 people, but we went off Cajun backside.

00:23:18.000 So it can actually fit like 2,500 normal sized people.

00:23:22.000 But anyway, this guy was doing healing on this lady and she fell backwards, slain in the spirit.

00:23:28.000 And as soon as she hit the ground, her legs flew up and she farted louder than I've ever heard in a quiet, still church. 0.89

00:23:36.000 And I just lost it because that's hilarious.

00:23:39.000 Like people are trying to keep it together and I'm just losing it.

00:23:42.000 We were talking about the next day, and I said, Yeah, you guys were laughing, but y'all didn't realize that lady hasn't been able to fart for 25 years. 0.55

00:23:50.000 You know, the Lord delivered her.

00:23:52.000 All this was happening in the same service.

00:23:54.000 And I'm like, What is that sounds like a really rich experience?

00:23:57.000 I mean, certainly richer than, you know, why don't you go to the mall?

00:24:00.000 Why don't you stare at a screen?

00:24:01.000 Why don't you believe in this?

00:24:02.000 At least you're engaging with the world.

00:24:04.000 And actually, thinking about that original abortion conversation that we just watched, he's like, in a sense, that conflict, that conversation leads us to the problems of the corporeal, the bodily, rather than the corporeal in this instance.

00:24:17.000 Like that, if Christ has a body and he's a product of the Holy Spirit and it's a virgin birth to fulfill prophecy and not to contaminate with earthliness and all of these sort of theological freight that's being moved by the virgin birth, you know, that you're left with, and C.S. Lewis talks about that Christ having a body is vital, and Christ having a body and being a man is partly what I've always been resistant to.

00:24:45.000 And he says, C.S. Lewis, that there are these kind of coordinates that we start to find.

00:24:52.000 He goes, Why do you find fart in funny?

00:24:56.000 Why?

00:24:57.000 There's a reason.

00:24:59.000 If you keep pushing down and down and down, you will find in yourself there's part of you that is pure spirit and finds it sort of obnoxious. 0.99

00:25:07.000 And like an animal don't laugh at its own hard dick. 0.99

00:25:11.000 Lord alone knows when my beloved bear he was never bothered about his hard on or his farts. 0.99

00:25:18.000 And C.S. Lewis offers angels wouldn't either.

00:25:20.000 Angels wouldn't find bodily functions funny or they wouldn't have them or whatever. 1.00

00:25:25.000 And we live in this weird interstitial place where we have choice, where we can go into the animal, where we can go into the divine.

00:25:32.000 But we sort of something in us tells us this isn't all there is.

00:25:36.000 There are clues to our divine origin.

00:25:39.000 And we sort of, it's just, it takes, there's so much weight in the world. 0.78

00:25:42.000 You wear the world, it's a heavy, heavy coat to sort of be able to sort of shirk it off and to find your wings is no easy thing to sort of throw off skepticism and cynicism because you do have to live with even where you one might have an expectation of fight of not finding ridiculousness and pantomime and tubby fart in backward rolling ladies and bucktoothed charlatans.

00:26:07.000 There they all are at the right of the heart of it.

00:26:09.000 And I've, you know, whenever I've go near church, in church, around church, it's this, you've got to go there with the, these are just broken people.

00:26:18.000 And I don't know, Jake. 0.69

00:26:19.000 I don't know like what we're going to be doing other than is we're going to be sort of guided to be guided to accommodate all of this ridiculousness, guided to accommodate this divinity and ridiculousness.

00:26:34.000 Don't you feel like we're already on that?

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 I mean, we, what is it, two weeks ago?

00:26:39.000 We're at an MMA gym opening and turns into a baptismal.

00:26:44.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 It was pretty weird baptizing all them UFC fighters.

00:26:47.000 I had no idea of that happening.

00:26:49.000 You probably didn't have any idea of that happening.

00:26:51.000 We didn't want to go.

00:26:52.000 We didn't want to go.

00:26:53.000 We didn't want to be there.

00:26:53.000 We didn't want to stay.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:55.000 And then, yeah, Bryce Mitchell and some other people there ended up being sort of it, but it ended up being a pretty divine occasion.

00:27:02.000 And when I'm doing that work better work or whatever it is, you know, like, I feel like be in the right state of mind.

00:27:08.000 Make sure this is sacred to you.

00:27:10.000 Make sure this is sacred to you.

00:27:12.000 Be present with him.

00:27:13.000 Hold him.

00:27:15.000 Because I know that I don't have no authority.

00:27:18.000 It's an interesting thing.

00:27:20.000 And I do feel that's part of what we're meant to be doing.

00:27:22.000 It's difficult to see through and beyond these trials, but I feel how they are fashioning and shaping our circumstances.

00:27:29.000 And like when me and Joe done it, like pretty early on, we baptized like a bunch of like people from our 12-step group, didn't we?

00:27:36.000 That was a pretty amazing day in that river, wasn't it, Joe?

00:27:39.000 In the Thames, it was good, wasn't it?

00:27:41.000 Straight after a meeting, down there for a little baptism.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, it's what we're supposed to be doing.

00:27:47.000 It's what we're supposed to be doing.

00:27:49.000 It's so interesting.

00:27:51.000 Like, came up in there in the last podcast we were doing.

00:27:54.000 Your faith has saved you.

00:27:55.000 Of course, you can, it's so mad because it's a bit tinkerbell in a way.

00:28:00.000 It's like, if you don't believe in fairies, there are no fairies.

00:28:03.000 It's sort of like, is this for children or something?

00:28:06.000 But somehow we are the participants in what is it?

00:28:09.000 What is the prima materia of reality?

00:28:11.000 I think most of us now know it's consciousness, that consciousness is not an inadvertent byproduct of some sort of weird process that was started by nothing.

00:28:22.000 There was the story, there's this process that was started by nothing and had nothing before it.

00:28:28.000 And from it comes consciousness and life and love and poetry and art and architecture and all of these things by nothing and it doesn't mean anything.

00:28:37.000 That's that you can you've got to jump in that bucket also.

00:28:41.000 Massey's just smiling.

00:28:42.000 You've got to jump in that one.

00:28:44.000 He's just like, there's nothing and it's okay.

00:28:47.000 It's a heavy, it's a heavy that's that's my view.

00:28:50.000 That's that's not a straw man at all.

00:28:52.000 That's 100% my view.

00:28:55.000 But easily, but too though, but too though, that when you have to, you can't hold, you can't, no one can get past geometry, music, and beyond.

00:29:05.000 And even deeper than geometry and music and math is meaning itself, meaning itself.

00:29:14.000 And it takes, it's very, it's a hard threshold to cross, but I sort of feel like I know you've crossed it, Massey, with drugs.

00:29:21.000 Well, maybe drugs isn't the right word.

00:29:23.000 Hallucinogenic encounters.

00:29:26.000 Yeah.

00:29:27.000 And what happened to me is that that it didn't, it was webbed on this somehow.

00:29:35.000 Like it comes out of that.

00:29:36.000 It's like it's, it's not separate from it.

00:29:39.000 That's what happened.

00:29:40.000 I think the Bible came from that.

00:29:42.000 It made me understand religion more rather than me.

00:29:46.000 It didn't make me think, oh, therefore, religion is real.

00:29:48.000 It made me think, oh, this is why people believe that stuff because of this deep experience.

00:29:52.000 But like, if you can have the belief in God or other realms or anything spiritual just from like a hallucinogenic experience, an entheogenic experience, then what about just falling in love with somebody?

00:30:04.000 You know, that's a deeply spiritual experience.

00:30:07.000 Surely you could believe in God just based on that.

00:30:09.000 These are just deeply human experiences.

00:30:12.000 I don't therefore think that there's a God in the same way, but I respect people that do believe that.

00:30:18.000 Have you ever had any sort of spiritual experience, do you feel like in your life?

00:30:23.000 Or anything that you were like.

00:30:24.000 How would you define that?

00:30:26.000 Anything like otherworldly in a sense? 0.95

00:30:30.000 I mean, maybe it was you tripping balls and wherever you were doing that. 0.79

00:30:36.000 Do you feel like you? 0.83

00:30:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I'd say that the one night I had in Amsterdam where me and my mates did like four boxes of Hawaiian mushrooms and I sat in a hostel and I thought I was just in like heaven, essentially.

00:30:51.000 I remember after that, I remember thinking that I knew the answer to it.

00:30:56.000 Basically, I felt like everything had been completely washed away and everything I was stressed about was completely washed away.

00:31:01.000 And that was gone for like months.

00:31:04.000 I remember I came back and I paid like one of my mum's debts off.

00:31:07.000 I did like a bunch of like selfless things. 0.99

00:31:10.000 And I thought, shit, I need to do this every few months so that I don't turn into an asshole. 0.99

00:31:16.000 And it's funny because we were talking yesterday about materialists and basically with the trainers, Joe. 1.00

00:31:22.000 Like I get in that exact same thing.

00:31:24.000 Like I was literally looking at another leather jacket the other day when we were on stream.

00:31:30.000 I was like looking at another window having the exact same experience as you.

00:31:33.000 And I find that when I'm least happy in life, I'm looking at products and things like that.

00:31:38.000 And it's like a barometer for how unhappy I am.

00:31:41.000 And when I sold everything, which was a really difficult thing to do, I went traveling.

00:31:45.000 First off, it was really difficult.

00:31:46.000 I was selling drums that really mean a lot to me.

00:31:49.000 But then when I sold them all, I got addicted to it and like not owning anything and just having, you know, what I call spiritual experiences.

00:31:55.000 But for me, are just experiences where I'm engaged with humanity, really.

00:31:59.000 That's what they really are.

00:32:01.000 So at least that's what I see them.

00:32:04.000 Oh, that is, yeah, and it's also semantics, you know, like, because in a sense, if what you're describing is transcendent, imminent grace, and then using the word humanity to mean that, then that's good.

00:32:14.000 And indeed, that's a sort of a sort of, that's what's commonly happened.

00:32:17.000 The fruits of human secularism and humanitarianism have been derived or at least come from or at least come after these phenomena have already been identified in Christianity.

00:32:30.000 So there's no, in a sense, no, like when they talk about the value of human life or human rights or all of that George Carlin material, he's saying, wait a minute, how, what are your human rights derived from?

00:32:44.000 We know that it's not okay to just genocide a whole population or enslave people.

00:32:49.000 What was you going to say there, Jake?

00:32:51.000 No, I mean, I think that's all good stuff.

00:32:53.000 I didn't really have a thought on it.

00:32:56.000 I see like this capacity to worship.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, what is that happening?

00:32:59.000 What is that?

00:33:01.000 I mean, I have, even as a believer, like I fall into that every day of like, I'll begin to worship.

00:33:07.000 My heart is made to worship this.

00:33:09.000 Yeah.

00:33:09.000 Right.

00:33:09.000 To get caught up in something, to get whatever it is.

00:33:13.000 Like even when I was thinking about Joe describing food, it's like that, like it was such descriptions in it.

00:33:19.000 It's almost like he was preaching a sermon to you, Massey. 0.85

00:33:23.000 You were like, sucked in.

00:33:25.000 It's like I have that to worship.

00:33:28.000 Now, like Roman says, I'll worship the creation rather than the creator.

00:33:35.000 One of the best pieces I've ever read, I still believe, is we agnostics around faith.

00:33:43.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.

00:33:44.000 And I just think of deep down in every man, woman, and child is the fundamental idea of God.

00:33:50.000 And then it says it may have been.

00:33:53.000 Why don't you read it?

00:33:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:55.000 In fact, let's do a special edition of...

00:33:59.000 Listen, you've got to do this.

00:33:59.000 I mean, where's your...

00:34:01.000 Let's do a special edition of spiritual crack on.

00:34:06.000 But first, these important messages.

00:34:08.000 You know, we can't make this content without the support of our partners.

00:34:10.000 Here's a message from one now.

00:34:11.000 Censorship is back and it's happening everywhere.

00:34:13.000 Platforms are controlling the narratives and pushing the stuff they want us to see.

00:34:16.000 We've got to fight back.

00:34:17.000 Rumble is the only company that stood the test of time and they deserve our support.

00:34:21.000 On one side, Rumble is challenging big tech censorship.

00:34:24.000 And now on the other side, they've introduced something that will give us protection from big banks shutting us off.

00:34:30.000 Banks can cancel our accounts, freeze our cards.

00:34:32.000 So that's why we've launched Rumble Wallet.

00:34:36.000 A wallet no one can cancel and a wallet that supporters can use to instantly tip creators like old Russ without any middlemen taking cuts.

00:34:43.000 I don't want no middleman taking a cut of my Rumble wallet.

00:34:47.000 Give us it.

00:34:47.000 Give us some money.

00:34:48.000 Give us it now.

00:34:49.000 You can buy and save digital assets like Bitcoin and Tether Gold in one place.

00:34:53.000 Tether Gold is real gold on the blockchain with ownership of physical gold bars.

00:34:58.000 I like the sound of that.

00:34:59.000 It's a digital currency and it's gold.

00:35:01.000 That's Joe all over.

00:35:02.000 It's not only a wallet to buy and save.

00:35:03.000 It also allows you to support your favorite creators by easily tipping them with the click of a button.

00:35:06.000 There'll be no fees when you tip my channel or others and we actually receive the tip instantly, unlike other platforms where we have to wait for payouts.

00:35:13.000 Support my show and other creators by clicking the tip button on my Rumble channel.

00:35:16.000 It's wallet.rumble.com.

00:35:18.000 Tip us on there.

00:35:19.000 Even don't tip me.

00:35:20.000 I'm all right, man.

00:35:21.000 But, you know, use it.

00:35:23.000 Download Rumble Wallet today.

00:35:23.000 It's good.

00:35:24.000 Open an account and step away from the big banks for good.

00:35:27.000 Wallet.rumble.com.

00:35:28.000 Wallet.rumble.com.

00:35:31.000 Get out of the system.

00:35:32.000 Get into Rumble Wallet. 0.77

00:35:36.000 We can't leave this content on YouTube. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Them stinking filthy heathens. 0.99

00:35:41.000 That's why we're on Rumble. 0.99

00:35:42.000 Click the link in the description.

00:35:43.000 Join us over on Rumble.

00:35:44.000 First off, I just love how you automatically think that we're linked together in your head.

00:35:51.000 Where you're talking about a book and you go, let's do a special.

00:35:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:55.000 That could be a book.

00:35:56.000 I've always did that.

00:35:57.000 watch along about whatever he just said but in your head it was pick up the guitar I know.

00:36:03.000 In my mind, right?

00:36:04.000 I keep doing this. 0.88

00:36:05.000 It's a serious mental illness I have.

00:36:07.000 I do it mostly with you, actually, and with my wife.

00:36:11.000 I think, why have you not done this?

00:36:12.000 I've already explained in detail many times exactly what I want.

00:36:16.000 Hurry up.

00:36:18.000 And I've actually not even said anything. 1.00

00:36:20.000 That's a serious mental illness. 0.99

00:36:22.000 Oh, it's so good. 0.98

00:36:23.000 Thought, Joe.

00:36:24.000 That should be enough.

00:36:27.000 Aren't you listening to me thinking?

00:36:33.000 This podcast is not allied with nor endorsed by any particular 12-step fellowship. 0.95

00:36:40.000 Let me start again because I'll fuck this right up.

00:36:42.000 Let's get on with it. 0.97

00:36:43.000 Let's get on with it.

00:36:45.000 This podcast is not allied with nor endorsed by any particular 12-step fellowship.

00:36:51.000 Although we may reference their literature, we do not represent these organizations.

00:36:56.000 The primary purpose of this podcast is to provide additional support to men and women who walk apart for recovery.

00:37:02.000 We share our personal experience of the 12 steps in the hope that others can benefit.

00:37:07.000 Take what is useful, disregard what isn't.

00:37:10.000 Apologies in advance for any offense caused.

00:37:12.000 Any other problems, take them to your God and to your sponsor. 1.00

00:37:20.000 Where's that little monkey in affairs, motherfucker? 1.00

00:37:26.000 I'll find one tomorrow, man. 1.00

00:37:27.000 That can't be far.

00:37:28.000 You best find us a monkey in affairs.

00:37:31.000 Don't worry about it.

00:37:32.000 This is from the book of Revelation as we continue to try to understand this hallucinogenic component that clearly accompanies prophecy and revelation.

00:37:42.000 Check this, Messi.

00:37:43.000 It says in the book of Revelation.

00:37:45.000 Then the voice, this is John on the Isle of Patmos, John the beloved disciple who lived out his last in exile on an island.

00:37:55.000 Then the voice that I'd heard from heaven spoke to me once more.

00:37:58.000 Go take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.

00:38:04.000 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll.

00:38:07.000 He said to me, take it and eat it.

00:38:10.000 It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.

00:38:14.000 So I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and I ate it.

00:38:16.000 It tasted sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I'd eaten it, my stomach turned sour.

00:38:20.000 Then I was told, you must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages, and kings.

00:38:27.000 Elsewhere in Ezekiel, this idea of being given scrolls, like this is where there's some real etymological work that could be done, I think, on what is what are other interpretations of the word scroll?

00:38:41.000 Because it sounds to me like these people are having prophetic visions in altered states.

00:38:47.000 And addiction is about altered states and spirituality is about altered states.

00:38:52.000 Is it possible to live beyond this state of mind?

00:38:55.000 Or are you going to live in the state that the state wants you to live in?

00:39:00.000 Foucault, the lunatic and post-structuralist, talked about biopolitics.

00:39:05.000 They want absolute control over every aspect of your life, your thought life, your interior life. 0.72

00:39:11.000 They won't rest until even in there you are controlled.

00:39:15.000 And I suppose one of the best ways they can get you is by letting you think that you are indeed in control of your life.

00:39:20.000 That's why addiction is such a great boon, because once you've surrendered, recognized your own powerlessness and the fundamental unmanageability of your life, then you kind of collapse into this state where only God can control you.

00:39:31.000 And when you are in God, they can't get you.

00:39:34.000 It's like home base and hide and seek.

00:39:36.000 But once you're there in God, they can't get you.

00:39:39.000 Everywhere else, they can get you.

00:39:40.000 They can get you if you're wise.

00:39:42.000 They can get you if you're knowledgeable, if you're smart, and if you're fast, and if you're rich, and if you're powerful and sexy, of course, they can because you are dust on the wind of history.

00:39:50.000 Dave, are you going to find we agnostic?

00:39:52.000 I'm looking forward to it.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, I'm in We Agnostics.

00:39:54.000 I'm still looking for it.

00:39:55.000 You're in We Agnostics.

00:39:56.000 And this is from the notorious and legendary big book of Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:40:02.000 And it's a famous chapter called We Agnostics, in which the authors of the book address their prospective audience of alcoholics, drunks, and tell them you're not really going to be able to meaningfully, successfully, or for any period of time stop drinking unless you have a spiritual experience.

00:40:21.000 Some of you might be lucky enough to have some blinding epiphany, but most of you aren't going to get that.

00:40:27.000 Most of you are going to just have to chip away at this old God system you're living in, the God of there is no God, a God called there's no God but me and what I want.

00:40:39.000 And the way it does this is in the chapter We Agnostics, which Dave is going to read now, because I can't fill forever, although I've got a lot of practice in feeling and now Dave fills with that.

00:40:50.000 There's so much in this.

00:40:52.000 It's kind of towards the end of We Agnostics.

00:40:56.000 So it builds on previous to this, I mean, it starts off saying, hey, you know, your powers over alcohol and drugs, your life's become unmanageable.

00:41:04.000 We have to have this power.

00:41:05.000 It's a power greater than ourselves.

00:41:07.000 It's this relationship with God.

00:41:08.000 It starts with whatever your conception is in the beginning.

00:41:11.000 And really, it says all you need to do to make a beginning is conceive that, okay, there could be.

00:41:18.000 There's probably a power greater than me, even though I haven't defined them or whatever.

00:41:23.000 And then it goes into like faith and reason.

00:41:28.000 And then so towards the end of it, it says, actually, we were fooling ourselves.

00:41:33.000 For deep down in every man, woman, and child is the fundamental idea of God.

00:41:37.000 It may be obscured by calamity, by pompt, by worship of other things, but in some form or another, it is there for faith in a power greater than ourselves.

00:41:47.000 Miraculous demonstrations of that power in human lives are facts as old as man himself.

00:41:55.000 Where'd it go? 0.99

00:41:56.000 Wasn't it more important that we got over this shit than see images of lunar flight? 0.98

00:41:56.000 Where did it say? 0.98

00:42:02.000 I like that.

00:42:03.000 Yeah.

00:42:04.000 So that was towards the top of it.

00:42:06.000 It talked about like the Wright brothers, you know, their faith and being able to see flight and how much more important is that thanks than that.

00:42:17.000 He talks about the Wright brothers and how their faith and belief that they could create and design successful aircraft was the fuel that led them to create, instantiate what was once a concept within them became a reality.

00:42:30.000 I heard this guy once share, my mate Tusker, in fact, he goes, he goes, if they'd lived down my street, then Wright brothers, they never would have invented that airplane because people have got, it's impossible. 0.78

00:42:39.000 You can't fucking have ruined their courage.

00:42:43.000 I really liked it because he was like from somewhere in North London, Tuscan. 0.99

00:42:46.000 And I like the idea of flight. 0.99

00:42:48.000 They're called stupid things, aren't they? 1.00

00:42:49.000 The Wright brothers, like Orville and Wayne, they're called stupid, unlikely names. 1.00

00:42:57.000 Here it says, by the way, in so 2A, Ezekiel, when he gets called to be a prophet, you, son of man, listen to what I say to you. 0.99

00:43:06.000 Do not rebel like that rebellious people.

00:43:08.000 Open your mouth and eat what I give you.

00:43:10.000 Then I looked out and I saw a hand stretched out to me.

00:43:13.000 It was a scroll, which he unrolled before me.

00:43:15.000 On both sides of it were written words of lament and mourning and woe.

00:43:18.000 And he said to me, Son of man, eat what's before you.

00:43:21.000 Eat this scroll.

00:43:22.000 Then go speak to the people of Israel.

00:43:24.000 So I opened my mouth and he gave me the scroll.

00:43:25.000 Then he said to me, Son of man, eat the scroll I'm giving you and fill your stomach with it.

00:43:29.000 So I ate it and it tasted sweet as honey in my mouth.

00:43:31.000 Then he said to me, son of man, go now to the people of Israel and speak my words to them.

00:43:35.000 You are being sent to a people of obscure speech and strange language. 1.00

00:43:40.000 But to the, you are not, excuse me, you are not being sent to a people of obscure speech and strange language, but to the people of Israel, not to many peoples of obscure speech and strange language whose words you cannot understand.

00:43:50.000 Surely if I'd sent you to them, they would have listened to you.

00:43:53.000 But the people of Israel are not willing to listen to you because they're not willing to listen to me. 0.61

00:43:57.000 For all the Israelites are hardened and obstinate. 1.00

00:43:59.000 I will make you as unyielding and hardened as they are.

00:44:02.000 I will make your forehead like the hardest stone, harder than flint.

00:44:06.000 Do not be afraid of them or terrified by them, though they are a rebellious people.

00:44:10.000 You're going to have to get right tough if you're going to carry the word.

00:44:14.000 Hey, so yeah, so I guess I was just talking about that transcendent component and talking about altered states.

00:44:20.000 And you like it, Dave, because you're sort of saying that there's a native within all of us, it explains in We Agnostics, is a sort of a latent awareness of the mysterious that through drugs can be heightened.

00:44:35.000 Slide over it.

00:44:36.000 It just heightened and highlighted and that all of us know is in there.

00:44:41.000 And indeed, if you are an alcoholic, altered states is your deal, is your problem, is your issue.

00:44:47.000 I can't help but notice that Joe now appears to be on some sort of yacht.

00:44:51.000 What's going on?

00:44:54.000 I'm outside my hotel.

00:44:55.000 Boutique Hotel Tagadir.

00:44:58.000 Does that say Tagadir up there, Nav?

00:45:01.000 Don't pronounce the T, it's not Tagger Dat.

00:45:04.000 Tagadir.

00:45:07.000 It's a lovely gaff.

00:45:09.000 Where's that monkey? 0.58

00:45:11.000 We've not found him yet.

00:45:12.000 Give us a minute.

00:45:14.000 Have a little stroll in a minute.

00:45:15.000 We'll find something.

00:45:16.000 What do you think you're going to do?

00:45:18.000 You're going to get yourself down the old bazaar.

00:45:20.000 There's got to be some sort of tourist attraction, isn't there?

00:45:23.000 There's a few little excursions to them.

00:45:25.000 We're going to scheme.

00:45:25.000 Where is it going tomorrow, Nav?

00:45:27.000 What's that paradise?

00:45:29.000 Paradise Valley sounds beautiful.

00:45:31.000 Nice and good.

00:45:31.000 Looks beautiful.

00:45:32.000 You can't go wrong in Paradise Valley.

00:45:34.000 Little lagoon.

00:45:36.000 All day long. 1.00

00:45:40.000 Look, bite the bullet. 1.00

00:45:41.000 Go and find that monkey. 1.00

00:45:42.000 Tell Nav that's what we're after.

00:45:44.000 I remember Nav, mate.

00:45:45.000 We need to find a monkey. 0.88

00:45:46.000 Can we get hold of a little monkey? 1.00

00:45:51.000 You can get hold of a little monkey whenever you want to.

00:45:53.000 Go on.

00:45:55.000 We'll find one, no problem.

00:45:57.000 We've actually done 44 minutes here.

00:45:58.000 We're doing pretty good.

00:46:00.000 Listen, we can't keep up this content without hard drugs.

00:46:02.000 We're going to take something now.

00:46:04.000 It's a commercial from one of our partners.

00:46:07.000 Censorship is back and it's happening everywhere.

00:46:09.000 Platforms are controlling the narratives and pushing the stuff they want us to see.

00:46:11.000 We've got to fight back.

00:46:12.000 Rumble is the only company that stood the test of time and they deserve our support.

00:46:17.000 On one side, Rumble is challenging big tech censorship.

00:46:20.000 But now on the other side, they've introduced something that will give us protection from big banks shutting us off.

00:46:25.000 Banks can cancel our accounts, freeze our cards.

00:46:28.000 So that's why we've launched Rumble Wallet.

00:46:32.000 A wallet no one can cancel and a wallet that supporters can use to instantly tip creators like old Russ without any middlemen taking cuts.

00:46:39.000 I don't want no middleman taking a cut of my Rumble wallet.

00:46:42.000 Give us some money.

00:46:43.000 Give us it.

00:46:44.000 Give us it now.

00:46:45.000 You can buy and save digital assets like Bitcoin and Tether Gold in one place.

00:46:49.000 Tether Gold is real gold on the blockchain with ownership of physical gold bars.

00:46:53.000 I like the sound of that.

00:46:54.000 It's a digital currency and it's gold.

00:46:56.000 That's Joe all over.

00:46:57.000 It's not only a wallet to buy and save, it also allows you to support your favorite creators by easily tipping them with a click of a button.

00:47:02.000 There'll be no fees when you tip my channel or others and we actually receive the tip instantly, unlike other platforms where we have to wait for payouts.

00:47:09.000 Support my show and other creators by clicking the tip button on my Rumble channel.

00:47:12.000 It's wallet.rumble.com.

00:47:14.000 Tip us on there.

00:47:15.000 Even don't tip me.

00:47:16.000 I'm all right, man.

00:47:17.000 But, you know, use it.

00:47:18.000 It's good.

00:47:19.000 Download Rumble Wallet today.

00:47:20.000 Open an account and step away from the big banks for good.

00:47:22.000 Wallet.rumble.com.

00:47:24.000 Wallet.rumble.com.

00:47:26.000 Get out of the system. 0.94

00:47:28.000 into rumble wallet joe are you able to i want to i'm going to lean right in you baby I don't mean that in a gay way. 0.94

00:47:37.000 But what it do. 0.54

00:47:39.000 Are you all right?

00:47:40.000 You're far away.

00:47:41.000 on then, do some what you're experiencing over there.

00:47:44.000 We're covering it.

00:47:45.000 What's happening?

00:47:46.000 I don't know, man.

00:47:47.000 You and me.

00:47:48.000 I'll be honest with you.

00:47:49.000 What's the matter?

00:47:51.000 So after last week, the food stuff was on me a little bit.

00:47:54.000 And I thought, there's probably some sort of parasite or gut problem, isn't it?

00:47:58.000 So I started taking ivermectin.

00:47:59.000 So I mean, ivermectin all week with methylene blue, which I do take anyway.

00:48:04.000 And it's not made an awful lot of difference when I do have what I can only describe as a mild migraine that hasn't left me for the last two days.

00:48:12.000 That's so good. 0.97

00:48:13.000 And I'm just fucking eating some bread anyway. 0.98

00:48:14.000 And I've not had any sugar. 0.99

00:48:16.000 You know, I'm doing all right.

00:48:18.000 But I'll tell you what, mate.

00:48:19.000 Like, you talk about staying with God and everything else when you, you know, when you're making decisions on self, you're going the other way.

00:48:26.000 And I find it really hard when I'm tired. 0.99

00:48:30.000 Like, if I'm tired, I'm fucked. 0.99

00:48:32.000 I'm banging trouble. 0.99

00:48:33.000 I will never make the right decision.

00:48:35.000 Ever.

00:48:36.000 Ever.

00:48:37.000 You know?

00:48:37.000 And it's as simple as having a bad night's sleep, isn't it?

00:48:40.000 It's so difficult sometimes.

00:48:41.000 So that's been my biggest challenge today.

00:48:43.000 I've been in a pretty bad mood till I've got here.

00:48:45.000 And I'm just looking forward to a good night's sleep, mate.

00:48:48.000 Starting a fresh day tomorrow.

00:48:50.000 And yeah, that's it, really.

00:48:53.000 He can work with you.

00:48:54.000 He can work with you wherever you are.

00:48:57.000 What I want to make sure is that in our shared endeavors and missions, that we are in pursuit of the Lord always.

00:49:04.000 The evil one is so adept at manipulating and maneuvering us.

00:49:09.000 Even like me and Dave's off on an excursion, aren't we?

00:49:12.000 And I've tried to reverse engineer vacations because I always, whenever I try and go on vacations, I don't like them because of the futility of luxury or even the hollowness of not having stuff to do.

00:49:29.000 So we've tried to reverse engineer this one by giving us a mission.

00:49:33.000 And as long as we stay focused on the mission, which is nothing short of saving a wounded prophet, then we'll be all right.

00:49:41.000 That's right.

00:49:42.000 Then I can enjoy room service in peace.

00:49:45.000 All we've got to do is save a life.

00:49:46.000 So you out there, Joe, that's why I'm trying to give you the equally important mission of trying to find and catch the monkey out of Indiana Jones, who I happen to know for a fact is in somewhere in Morocco right now in a little vest, in little fez, tossing himself off for the amusement of tourists over there.

00:50:04.000 I'm thinking about the stuff that happened to me in Marrakech.

00:50:07.000 I think that what happened was, is I did encounter one of them little monkeys and a snake.

00:50:12.000 They've always got stuff like that going on out there.

00:50:15.000 You don't know because you're Americans.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, I've never been there.

00:50:17.000 Some sort of cobra?

00:50:18.000 Yeah, you could get a cobra out there out of a basket.

00:50:22.000 Snake charming.

00:50:23.000 I went to Morocco at Disney World.

00:50:26.000 Epcot.

00:50:27.000 Oh, yeah, you went to Epcot, Morocco.

00:50:29.000 It's basically the same.

00:50:29.000 I went to Japan, Epcot.

00:50:32.000 Very good.

00:50:33.000 It's very nice.

00:50:34.000 Very nice.

00:50:34.000 I've got like a few things there.

00:50:36.000 Got a pearl out of Japan Epcot.

00:50:39.000 Like, you can get a lady there dressed up in Japan gear. 1.00

00:50:43.000 She'll shuck open an oyster. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Yeah, it's a nice place.

00:50:46.000 Japan Epcot is the best bit of Epcot.

00:50:49.000 Back there, they got candy back there.

00:50:51.000 They've got everything you need.

00:50:52.000 I mean, Guardians of the Galaxy have got the SBS Ride.

00:50:55.000 That's also there.

00:50:56.000 I don't know what country that's meant to be.

00:50:57.000 I don't know how they're trying to pull that off.

00:50:59.000 I like to start some wars in it, but I'd like to bomb Epcot, Iran right now. 1.00

00:51:04.000 The way, you know, like embassies have to shut down. 0.99

00:51:06.000 Like, if there's a war, I say we go Iran-Epcott and fuck them up. 1.00

00:51:11.000 Iran-Epcot. 0.99

00:51:12.000 Come on.

00:51:14.000 I'm offended that they don't have an Iran. 1.00

00:51:16.000 They don't have an Iran-Epcot.

00:51:17.000 They'll have Egypt because you've got to have the pyramids.

00:51:19.000 Yeah, that's better.

00:51:19.000 That's all I want, you know.

00:51:21.000 Same thing.

00:51:22.000 Get over there. 0.77

00:51:24.000 Mess them up.

00:51:25.000 Basically the same place.

00:51:26.000 Basically the same.

00:51:27.000 Iran, Iran, Egypt, North Africa, Mesopotamia, all the same stuff.

00:51:33.000 Byzantine Empire.

00:51:35.000 All right, listen to you, Lot.

00:51:36.000 I think we've done our work here, haven't we? 0.84

00:51:38.000 In some foul, sick, or depraved way.

00:51:41.000 Whether you're talking about complex issues like pro-life and pro-choice, the one thing we can all be unified in overcoming is the tyranny of the self. 0.98

00:51:49.000 They say, don't they, that a foolish man wants to master and control others.

00:51:54.000 The wise man learns to master and control himself. 0.88

00:51:57.000 Somehow within us, as Paul was fond of telling us, is a divine place and a holy inner sanctuary, a temple most divine.

00:52:06.000 Ah, look you at an overhead plan, a four-floor plan, if you will, of the great temple in Jerusalem and note its peculiar resonance and how similar it looks to the microchip processor of a modern computer.

00:52:21.000 Oh Lord, in your endless resonance and rhymes, we see through the geometry that surpasses all time.

00:52:27.000 Deep and hidden truths abundant and everywhere.

00:52:30.000 Lord, enlighten us.

00:52:31.000 Let us eat that scroll.

00:52:32.000 Let's eat the good word together.

00:52:34.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:52:35.000 We'll be back, you know.

00:52:37.000 At some point.

00:52:38.000 We'll be back at some point.

00:52:40.000 Unless, of course, we die.

00:52:43.000 In which case, I'm afraid all bets are off.

00:52:45.000 And sometimes I think, wouldn't that be relaxing?

00:52:51.000 A nice nap.

00:52:55.000 That's the biggest shaking.

00:52:57.000 Not suicidal.

00:52:58.000 Not suicidal, but there could be a point where you're like, oh, eventually.

00:53:04.000 We have work to do.

00:53:05.000 Eventually.

00:53:06.000 Right.

00:53:06.000 We're just same as Paul.

00:53:07.000 That's what he says. 0.99

00:53:08.000 Paul, he tells them straight, look, I'm fucking knackered. 0.98

00:53:11.000 I'm only saying it for you, Lot. 1.00

00:53:12.000 You're a pain in the ass. 1.00

00:53:13.000 That's what he says. 1.00

00:53:15.000 I'm paraphrasing.

00:53:16.000 Those are not the exact words, but that's the sentiment.

00:53:19.000 Right then, praise Jesus.

00:53:21.000 Thanks for coming.

00:53:21.000 Joe, be kept monkey.

00:53:23.000 How many more times?

00:53:25.000 You got five seconds, Joe.

00:53:26.000 Find the monkey.

00:53:26.000 No, any mate.

00:53:27.000 I'm going to find the monkey.

00:53:28.000 I'm going to make a little video of it.

00:53:29.000 I'm going to make a little short for next week.

00:53:31.000 As close as you can get.

00:53:33.000 As close as you can get.

00:53:34.000 What about that?

00:53:35.000 That's not bad.

00:53:36.000 That's not bad.

00:53:37.000 That's a good start.

00:53:38.000 If you could get an item of it, it's all lined up for you.

00:53:44.000 You've got a cat and a net.

00:53:45.000 That's pretty good.

00:53:46.000 If you've got that cat in the net, pretend it's your job.

00:53:50.000 Act like you're supposed to be doing it.

00:53:51.000 Like, if someone comes to see you and go backwards.

00:53:53.000 What's talking to me?

00:53:55.000 Two cats and a net.

00:53:56.000 Were their ears weird?

00:53:58.000 Very weird.

00:53:59.000 That's a sign.

00:54:00.000 That's the holy one.

00:54:01.000 He's shouting.

00:54:01.000 He's screaming in your face there.

00:54:04.000 Don't get nicked. 0.85

00:54:07.000 Don't mess with the bowel conditions.

00:54:12.000 Good book.

00:54:13.000 Yeah, good boy.

00:54:13.000 That was pretty good.

00:54:14.000 That's a good way to go out.

00:54:15.000 No one do.

00:54:16.000 No one.

00:54:17.000 We're all above doing P-word jokes.

00:54:20.000 We're all above it.

00:54:21.000 All right.

00:54:22.000 Thanks very much for joining us.

00:54:23.000 See you next time.

00:54:24.000 Not for more of the same, but more of the different.

00:54:26.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

00:54:27.000 Oh, you said there was good scripture.

00:54:29.000 I don't know.

00:54:30.000 Jake, don't get all disinterested like you sat back in the middle.

00:54:33.000 Did you think the grocer thing would have been good?

00:54:35.000 All right, put it on.

00:54:36.000 Elon Musk's AI was instructed to analyze the Bible as code, and it immediately detected patterns that should not exist in ancient writing.

00:54:45.000 It found memory structures identical to real eyewitness reports.

00:54:49.000 It found trauma sequences that match modern neuroscience and growth patterns used in biological systems.

00:54:59.000 When the team tied all these findings together, they reached a shocking conclusion.

00:55:07.000 The human memory patterns.

00:55:09.000 The investigation began when researchers programmed Grok to analyze the Bible purely as data structure.

00:55:16.000 The team instructed it to ignore beliefs, religious teachings, and emotional reactions that humans usually attach to the Bible.

00:55:24.000 They told it to analyze the structure of the text the same way it examines source code.

00:55:29.000 Grok scanned the four Gospels with pattern detection tools that are normally used to find logic errors in software.

00:55:36.000 The team expected Grok to list mistakes.

00:55:39.000 They expected broken patterns and structural weakness.

00:55:43.000 Instead, Grok returned a shocking result.

00:55:46.000 It said the structure of the Gospels matches the way the human brain records events.

00:55:52.000 The team asked Grok to explain what it meant.

00:55:55.000 Grok showed a breakdown of the narrative flow and pattern density.

00:55:59.000 The system compared these patterns to massive data sets of witness statements, police reports, military debriefings, and trauma logs.

00:56:07.000 These data sets taught Grok how real memory behaves.

00:56:11.000 Human memory does not produce identical reports.

00:56:15.000 Real witnesses always disagree on small details because the brain records events in fragments.

00:56:22.000 Grok said the Gospels followed this same structure.

00:56:26.000 Grok explained that human memory is episodic.

00:56:30.000 Episodic memory means the brain saves experiences in pieces.

00:56:35.000 These pieces include images, emotions, fears, sounds, and reactions.

00:56:40.000 When a person retells an event, the brain rebuilds these pieces into a story.

00:56:45.000 This process creates natural differences between witnesses.

00:56:50.000 Two people can watch the same event and remember different details.

00:56:54.000 This is not a flaw.

00:56:56.000 It is how the brain works.

00:56:58.000 Grok said the differences in the Gospels show this same pattern.

00:57:01.000 The team saw this clearly when Grok examined the resurrection accounts in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

00:57:08.000 Each writer lists different women at the tomb.

00:57:11.000 Matthew names Mary Magdalene and the other Mary.

00:57:15.000 Mark names Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome.

00:57:19.000 Luke adds Joanna and other unnamed women.

00:57:22.000 John mentions only Mary Magdalene.

00:57:24.000 Each account also records different reactions.

00:57:27.000 Some describe fear, others describe shock, and John focuses on Mary's private encounter at the tomb.

00:57:34.000 Grok said these differences match real eyewitness behavior, not fabricated narrative.

00:57:40.000 Critics have used these differences for years to claim the entire story is false.

00:57:45.000 Some have built careers on it.

00:57:47.000 Richard Dawkins, the world's most aggressive critic of religion, pointed to these same passages and said they contain contradictions and cannot be trusted as history. 0.93

00:57:57.000 Social media users have repeated his claims for years, with some calling the Bible a funny book made to put fools to sleep.

00:58:05.000 And yet, Grok's conclusion hit the room hard.

00:58:09.000 It said the structure matches real human cognition.

00:58:13.000 It said the writers recorded events the same way the brain naturally processes experience.

00:58:18.000 Nothing looked staged.

00:58:20.000 Nothing looked scripted.

00:58:22.000 If the accounts were invented, why would they follow the exact pattern of real memory?

00:58:29.000 What an amazing piece of content and brilliant use of technology.

00:58:33.000 Precisely that kind of thesis antithesis synthesis is what we need, isn't it, if we're going to align for new parables in new times that require new storytelling techniques through new media using new image systems and new metaphor and new verification of data.

00:58:51.000 pretty good that dave wasn't it yeah i mean well so going back to we agnostics the the reason will get you so far but it won't quite cross that bridge to faith you know So I think of, yeah.

00:59:06.000 Like, it's good to see that.

00:59:08.000 You know.

00:59:09.000 It's good to see that and you're like, it should reinforce your faith, but I mean, you still, there's a leap there that you have to do in faith.

00:59:18.000 You know in neurology that most synaptic exchange is electromagnetic energy, but there's a moment inexplicably where it becomes chemical.

00:59:27.000 No one, neurologists don't know why it does that.

00:59:29.000 It becomes as it moves between synaptic branches.

00:59:33.000 It becomes, it starts being electromagnetic and it becomes chemical for a moment.

00:59:36.000 Even in the most, every single field of human endeavor enters a threshold of faith eventually because you will encounter the mystery.

00:59:46.000 You will encounter the mystery in cosmology and biology and you'll get to the point where it's like, oh, no, that doesn't make sense anymore.

00:59:52.000 You'll have to eat the scroll.

00:59:54.000 You'll have to enter into faith.

00:59:56.000 But that's just what I think.

00:59:57.000 Let me know what you think.

00:59:58.000 And why have you got something?

00:59:59.000 No, I agree with you.

01:00:01.000 Everyone's agreed.

01:00:02.000 That's it. 1.00

01:00:03.000 Joe, where the fuck is that monkey? 1.00

01:00:05.000 See you next time for more of the same more of the difference until then if you can stay Free. 1.00

Stay Free - Russel Brand - March 18, 2026

Crack On: Abortion, Sexuality and the Spiritual War Within — SF693

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript