00:00:53.000Would you agree that that is killing a human being?
00:00:56.000I do not think that is killing a human being as long as it is in compliance with what medical professionals recommend.
00:01:05.000As a representative of the Diocese of London, elected General Sylod, I am fully in favor of women having the right to choose regarding their own bodies.
00:01:34.000You see, if you say that inside the womb after conception, we're not talking about human beings, then that means you deny that Christ was fully human inside the womb, which means that you've fallen into a heresy because you're in denial of Christ's full humanity.
00:01:52.000If you try to imply that Christ became human at some point inside the point of conception, or that his divinity attached himself to some kind of humanity later, that moves towards Nestorian heresy.
00:02:08.000Well, that's some serious checkmate from my man there.
00:02:11.000With the like, that was a really why I say checkmate because it's such an interesting move, like to go from the moment of conception.
00:02:20.000Because I suppose you can make medical arguments, even on a with a less sophisticated argument, I was when he says a woman's body, it seems as I get deeper into my understanding of Christianity, that what's quite fundamental is the idea that you belong to God, you belong to God primarily.
00:02:40.000My mate Sam said this interesting thing with another project I'm working on where I was talking about Bathsheba and David in the Bible.
00:02:50.000One of David's key sins is his adultery with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah.
00:02:59.000And I was sort of talking about that and it's something I'm working on.
00:03:03.000And my mate Sam said, even the idea that consent between two human beings can supersede God's law shows you where you're locating ultimate authority.
00:03:16.000You're saying that ultimate authority is human.
00:03:20.000And so even the argument that you are entitled to do what you want with your body is a type of heresy.
00:03:27.000It's not so sort of profoundly heretical as where my man went with that, you know, Christ in the womb.
00:03:33.000What do you guys think about that as more experienced than Christians and me?
00:04:21.000Like, is that a conversation that's actually going to help someone see truth?
00:04:26.000The other thing is, Jake, like that when you've been involved in abortions, and I have, like, you, I remember having a conversation with this brilliant female performance artist, stroke musical artist called Amanda Palmer.
00:04:40.000She was married to that guy, Neil Gaiman, who's written some really brilliant books, like, and loads of them have been super successful and made into movies and stuff.
00:04:48.000And she is an excellent performer, really brilliant woman.
00:04:52.000She'd done a version of that song from Frozen, Let It Go, and reframed it around her own abortion, you know?
00:05:03.000And I had this conversation with her about abortion where I sort of was, I hadn't come to the Lord and I was saying, it is awful though, isn't it?
00:05:11.000And I goes, and in a way, it's sort of someone going into an abortion clinic and people protesting outside it.
00:05:16.000At least are surely in agreement that this isn't nothing.
00:05:20.000And she talked about her own experience with abortion.
00:05:23.000And I feel like the kind of glibness or celebratory side of it started to fold away.
00:05:29.000You know, we know like how we feel, don't we, when the subject comes near to us.
00:05:33.000Like, have you ever like, you know, if someone shows you any of the material of it, you're like, whoa, no, no, no, you can't go near it, can you?
00:05:40.000You need to have a hearth stone to be able to just go, yeah, that doesn't bother me.
00:05:45.000Like it's too, it glitches you, I think.
00:05:48.000It hits you beyond self in the same way that sometimes I feel the challenge.
00:05:53.000Forgive the strangeness of this comparison, but sometimes I feel the challenges we face as men when it comes to objectification is almost like a factory settings as well as a cultural, something that's culturally augmented or amplified.
00:06:09.000Like when you're like, I'm not going to stare, it's sort of like you've really got to make a deliberate spiritual choice there.
00:06:16.000And like with the subject of abortion, there's something so awful about it, even as Dave says, the gotcha approach ain't appropriate.
00:06:26.000In that clip, I didn't see that guy as like, I'm trying to catch this guy in a lie.
00:06:50.000That is the goal is our own, I don't know, our own thoughts, the things that we think to be true, have to collide with what God says is truth at some point.
00:07:03.000And for us, we have to go, I don't trust myself.
00:07:15.000See, because it's such a big subject, you've got to obviously, you know, you don't have to be careful.
00:07:18.000You can do what you like, but like, it's sometimes it's nice to be careful.
00:07:20.000But what, see what you're saying there, Jake, about truth?
00:07:23.000One of the things I've encountered is, say, with the areas I find difficult, like I don't feel comfortable judging people around their sexuality, right?
00:07:32.000And but luckily, it says in the word, don't judge others.
00:07:36.000So I can just not judge others and I'm out of that problem.
00:07:39.000But when it said, when it lists, when it itinerizes sort of sin, it says, you know, sexual immorality, as I'm referring to Corinthians here, sexual immorality, it says homosexuality and stuff.
00:07:52.000When I'm like trying to mess with that in my head, when I'm trying to understand it in my head, or as our beautiful friend Charlotte Boeff would say, do you fuck with the Bible?
00:08:02.000When I try to fuck with that in my head, I'm like, what I get to is what it leads you to, whether it's abortion or living in harmony with one's own sexual preferences, mine were sinfully to be very promiscuous and to have sex with anyone who wanted to.
00:08:23.000I recognize now that your self is the supreme principle, that in order to have sex with whoever you want, if there is scriptural guidance that prohibits it or directs you away from it, you have to supersede that principle with another principle.
00:08:46.000And until you're willing to say, I want to is not the supreme principle, there are other things that are more important than I want to.
00:08:55.000Now, all of us sort of acknowledge that in sort of ways, kind of otherwise films wouldn't be able to have heroes in them because no one would be emotionally moved when someone sacrifices themselves for another person's well-being, for example.
00:09:09.000But whether it's, you know, the reason it was wrong for me to sleep around is because I did it motivated by what I wanted.
00:09:52.000And that aligns with a really beautiful piece of our recovery philosophy that we've mentioned before on Krakon.
00:10:00.000Whenever we have a resentment, we usually find at some point in the past, we've made a decision based on self that's put us in a position to be hurt.
00:10:11.000And this idea based on self, based on self, not based on God, I wasn't going around sleeping with people because I thought God would benefit somehow.
00:10:23.000And when I've been reflecting on the reason I'm, again, I don't want to fall into my, into the Tommy Robinson trap where I raised the fact that I jerked off a man in a toilet in front of Tommy Robinson and had to spend like that 20 minutes dealing with Tommy Robinson's shock.
00:10:38.000It was like it was not something you can mention as an aside to Tommy Robinson.
00:10:42.000But anyway, like when I'm thinking about, because there's lots of people that are gay that I love and I don't feel like I want to be seen as in any way judging them.
00:10:51.000But when, you know, like the, the, when I think about Christ and the beloved disciple John, and the intimacy that they know and the love that they know, and the love that is therefore available to all of us in him, by saying, by saying that the supreme expression of yourself is your sexual expression of yourself, you're making an interesting claim.
00:11:19.000You're making an interesting claim that's worthy of unpacking and the culture would say, like you know, you've got, if you're a gay person, that you must come out as if your sexual identity is your supreme and absolute identity.
00:11:33.000Now I I, as a petrisexual person, I did live for a long time like my sexual identity was my absolute identity.
00:11:49.000That's the very first thing I think of.
00:11:50.000It's like a shallow, and I'm not saying like not seeing that on the person.
00:11:55.000I just think if that is your identity, there's that's it.
00:12:01.000In a sense, like, I mean, there's so much more.
00:12:04.000Yeah, because it does come down to just sex.
00:12:06.000Because if you're talking about, and maybe male-on-male relationships have been skewed for so long that people don't understand that it's okay to have deep, longing, loving friendships for, you know, like I always think David and Jonathan.
00:13:01.000Because any counter argument to that is the claim that God wouldn't make me feel this way if he didn't want me to do it.
00:13:08.000But what stops you making that claim about, therefore, anything you want to do?
00:13:12.000Well, God wouldn't make me this way if he don't like once you, then you have to make a, then you have to make recourse to a secondary authority.
00:13:20.000Look, we all know the difference that Peter Philiy is wrong, but it's okay to be promiscuous or gay.
00:13:37.000So get in your temple and work on making sure that you are behaving in a holy and divine way.
00:13:44.000If you're spending even one second of your day going, yo, what are they doing over there at the gay community?
00:13:50.000And then you best not be looking at any porn ever.
00:13:55.000Because if you are, you've got, get in there and mind your own business innit.
00:14:00.000And I suppose that's the challenge is people create convenient hierarchies of sin from which they can then go judge others.
00:14:08.000And I think that you lot who have a different relationship with the church because you've grown up in Christian communities and grown up in churches and been around churches and worked in churches and all that kind of stuff.
00:15:55.000I think, yeah, like, yeah, the idea of, of course, it's a body, so that is literally corporate, but I get the sense that it's meant to be decentralized.
00:16:06.000I just, for me, I just have seen all aspects of it and been deeply involved in large mega churches, small house churches, you know, and there's people I don't like in either one of them.
00:16:20.000So for me, it's like I could go, oh, you know, the crunchy house.
00:16:24.000I mean, I got people that pop up in my head, live down the street from me that I'm like, I don't want to spend any time with them.
00:16:30.000And I think I've been in the large mega church of people, I'm going, this guy's doing it all for show.
00:16:36.000And then I get to know him a little better.
00:16:37.000And I'm going, this is an awesome person that really is just trying to do what the Lord's called him to do.
00:16:42.000That doesn't mean that there aren't the same people who you feel this guy's doing it for the wrong reasons.
00:16:48.000Then you get to know him and you're like, yeah, he's doing it for the wrong reasons.
00:18:00.000So even the Pharisees, even the people that he knew, even the sitting around the Last Supper, knowing people were about to, you know, Judas was about to do what he did.
00:20:57.000He was sort of like financially corrupt, morally corrupt, and obviously an alcoholic.
00:21:02.000But somehow he marshalled all of those flaws and defects of character, as they would be called, in a sort of a 12-step lexicon into not starting the Bill W system of Alcoholics Anonymous, starring Bill W. You can turn your W into a winner.
00:21:22.000And like the fact that this person who was, I recognize this guy, entrepreneurial, a show-off, broken womanizer, like takes his name and money out of it.
00:21:33.000It kind of, in a sense, we start to recognize what the ring fence has to be.
00:21:38.000Because when you're describing, fire God, man, it's Elvis and it's Vegas Elvis is what comes to my mind is Vegas Elvis.
00:21:46.000And one time I went to, and this I must have known a lot less if such a thing were possible then than I even know now because I went to this church and it was in a room at the Hilton, you know, and it was like it was guessed it was near the airport in LA.
00:21:58.000It's mostly black people there and it was just going on.
00:22:00.000And I've always, always been fascinated by church and churches.
00:22:03.000So I went in there and a guy was doing, he looked like when, you know, when Chappelle plays a character that's got buck teeth or whatever, I feel like it might be in an Eddie Murphy movie.
00:22:10.000It might have been one of them Norbert type movies.
00:22:12.000The guy looked like that and he was old and he was getting people up to the front and stuff.
00:23:12.000Like we used to, the pastor used to say, this can fit 1,500 people, but we went off Cajun backside.
00:23:18.000So it can actually fit like 2,500 normal sized people.
00:23:22.000But anyway, this guy was doing healing on this lady and she fell backwards, slain in the spirit.
00:23:28.000And as soon as she hit the ground, her legs flew up and she farted louder than I've ever heard in a quiet, still church.
00:23:36.000And I just lost it because that's hilarious.
00:23:39.000Like people are trying to keep it together and I'm just losing it.
00:23:42.000We were talking about the next day, and I said, Yeah, you guys were laughing, but y'all didn't realize that lady hasn't been able to fart for 25 years.
00:24:02.000At least you're engaging with the world.
00:24:04.000And actually, thinking about that original abortion conversation that we just watched, he's like, in a sense, that conflict, that conversation leads us to the problems of the corporeal, the bodily, rather than the corporeal in this instance.
00:24:17.000Like that, if Christ has a body and he's a product of the Holy Spirit and it's a virgin birth to fulfill prophecy and not to contaminate with earthliness and all of these sort of theological freight that's being moved by the virgin birth, you know, that you're left with, and C.S. Lewis talks about that Christ having a body is vital, and Christ having a body and being a man is partly what I've always been resistant to.
00:24:45.000And he says, C.S. Lewis, that there are these kind of coordinates that we start to find.
00:24:52.000He goes, Why do you find fart in funny?
00:24:59.000If you keep pushing down and down and down, you will find in yourself there's part of you that is pure spirit and finds it sort of obnoxious.
00:25:07.000And like an animal don't laugh at its own hard dick.
00:25:11.000Lord alone knows when my beloved bear he was never bothered about his hard on or his farts.
00:25:18.000And C.S. Lewis offers angels wouldn't either.
00:25:20.000Angels wouldn't find bodily functions funny or they wouldn't have them or whatever.
00:25:25.000And we live in this weird interstitial place where we have choice, where we can go into the animal, where we can go into the divine.
00:25:32.000But we sort of something in us tells us this isn't all there is.
00:25:39.000And we sort of, it's just, it takes, there's so much weight in the world.
00:25:42.000You wear the world, it's a heavy, heavy coat to sort of be able to sort of shirk it off and to find your wings is no easy thing to sort of throw off skepticism and cynicism because you do have to live with even where you one might have an expectation of fight of not finding ridiculousness and pantomime and tubby fart in backward rolling ladies and bucktoothed charlatans.
00:26:07.000There they all are at the right of the heart of it.
00:26:09.000And I've, you know, whenever I've go near church, in church, around church, it's this, you've got to go there with the, these are just broken people.
00:26:19.000I don't know like what we're going to be doing other than is we're going to be sort of guided to be guided to accommodate all of this ridiculousness, guided to accommodate this divinity and ridiculousness.
00:26:34.000Don't you feel like we're already on that?
00:28:11.000I think most of us now know it's consciousness, that consciousness is not an inadvertent byproduct of some sort of weird process that was started by nothing.
00:28:22.000There was the story, there's this process that was started by nothing and had nothing before it.
00:28:28.000And from it comes consciousness and life and love and poetry and art and architecture and all of these things by nothing and it doesn't mean anything.
00:28:37.000That's that you can you've got to jump in that bucket also.
00:28:55.000But easily, but too though, but too though, that when you have to, you can't hold, you can't, no one can get past geometry, music, and beyond.
00:29:05.000And even deeper than geometry and music and math is meaning itself, meaning itself.
00:29:14.000And it takes, it's very, it's a hard threshold to cross, but I sort of feel like I know you've crossed it, Massey, with drugs.
00:29:21.000Well, maybe drugs isn't the right word.
00:29:42.000It made me understand religion more rather than me.
00:29:46.000It didn't make me think, oh, therefore, religion is real.
00:29:48.000It made me think, oh, this is why people believe that stuff because of this deep experience.
00:29:52.000But like, if you can have the belief in God or other realms or anything spiritual just from like a hallucinogenic experience, an entheogenic experience, then what about just falling in love with somebody?
00:30:04.000You know, that's a deeply spiritual experience.
00:30:07.000Surely you could believe in God just based on that.
00:30:09.000These are just deeply human experiences.
00:30:12.000I don't therefore think that there's a God in the same way, but I respect people that do believe that.
00:30:18.000Have you ever had any sort of spiritual experience, do you feel like in your life?
00:30:37.000Yeah, I mean, I'd say that the one night I had in Amsterdam where me and my mates did like four boxes of Hawaiian mushrooms and I sat in a hostel and I thought I was just in like heaven, essentially.
00:30:51.000I remember after that, I remember thinking that I knew the answer to it.
00:30:56.000Basically, I felt like everything had been completely washed away and everything I was stressed about was completely washed away.
00:31:46.000I was selling drums that really mean a lot to me.
00:31:49.000But then when I sold them all, I got addicted to it and like not owning anything and just having, you know, what I call spiritual experiences.
00:31:55.000But for me, are just experiences where I'm engaged with humanity, really.
00:32:04.000Oh, that is, yeah, and it's also semantics, you know, like, because in a sense, if what you're describing is transcendent, imminent grace, and then using the word humanity to mean that, then that's good.
00:32:14.000And indeed, that's a sort of a sort of, that's what's commonly happened.
00:32:17.000The fruits of human secularism and humanitarianism have been derived or at least come from or at least come after these phenomena have already been identified in Christianity.
00:32:30.000So there's no, in a sense, no, like when they talk about the value of human life or human rights or all of that George Carlin material, he's saying, wait a minute, how, what are your human rights derived from?
00:32:44.000We know that it's not okay to just genocide a whole population or enslave people.
00:32:49.000What was you going to say there, Jake?
00:32:51.000No, I mean, I think that's all good stuff.
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00:37:32.000This is from the book of Revelation as we continue to try to understand this hallucinogenic component that clearly accompanies prophecy and revelation.
00:38:10.000It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.
00:38:14.000So I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and I ate it.
00:38:16.000It tasted sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I'd eaten it, my stomach turned sour.
00:38:20.000Then I was told, you must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages, and kings.
00:38:27.000Elsewhere in Ezekiel, this idea of being given scrolls, like this is where there's some real etymological work that could be done, I think, on what is what are other interpretations of the word scroll?
00:38:41.000Because it sounds to me like these people are having prophetic visions in altered states.
00:38:47.000And addiction is about altered states and spirituality is about altered states.
00:38:52.000Is it possible to live beyond this state of mind?
00:38:55.000Or are you going to live in the state that the state wants you to live in?
00:39:00.000Foucault, the lunatic and post-structuralist, talked about biopolitics.
00:39:05.000They want absolute control over every aspect of your life, your thought life, your interior life.
00:39:11.000They won't rest until even in there you are controlled.
00:39:15.000And I suppose one of the best ways they can get you is by letting you think that you are indeed in control of your life.
00:39:20.000That's why addiction is such a great boon, because once you've surrendered, recognized your own powerlessness and the fundamental unmanageability of your life, then you kind of collapse into this state where only God can control you.
00:39:31.000And when you are in God, they can't get you.
00:39:34.000It's like home base and hide and seek.
00:39:36.000But once you're there in God, they can't get you.
00:39:42.000They can get you if you're knowledgeable, if you're smart, and if you're fast, and if you're rich, and if you're powerful and sexy, of course, they can because you are dust on the wind of history.
00:39:50.000Dave, are you going to find we agnostic?
00:39:56.000And this is from the notorious and legendary big book of Alcoholics Anonymous.
00:40:02.000And it's a famous chapter called We Agnostics, in which the authors of the book address their prospective audience of alcoholics, drunks, and tell them you're not really going to be able to meaningfully, successfully, or for any period of time stop drinking unless you have a spiritual experience.
00:40:21.000Some of you might be lucky enough to have some blinding epiphany, but most of you aren't going to get that.
00:40:27.000Most of you are going to just have to chip away at this old God system you're living in, the God of there is no God, a God called there's no God but me and what I want.
00:40:39.000And the way it does this is in the chapter We Agnostics, which Dave is going to read now, because I can't fill forever, although I've got a lot of practice in feeling and now Dave fills with that.
00:40:52.000It's kind of towards the end of We Agnostics.
00:40:56.000So it builds on previous to this, I mean, it starts off saying, hey, you know, your powers over alcohol and drugs, your life's become unmanageable.
00:41:08.000It starts with whatever your conception is in the beginning.
00:41:11.000And really, it says all you need to do to make a beginning is conceive that, okay, there could be.
00:41:18.000There's probably a power greater than me, even though I haven't defined them or whatever.
00:41:23.000And then it goes into like faith and reason.
00:41:28.000And then so towards the end of it, it says, actually, we were fooling ourselves.
00:41:33.000For deep down in every man, woman, and child is the fundamental idea of God.
00:41:37.000It may be obscured by calamity, by pompt, by worship of other things, but in some form or another, it is there for faith in a power greater than ourselves.
00:41:47.000Miraculous demonstrations of that power in human lives are facts as old as man himself.
00:42:06.000It talked about like the Wright brothers, you know, their faith and being able to see flight and how much more important is that thanks than that.
00:42:17.000He talks about the Wright brothers and how their faith and belief that they could create and design successful aircraft was the fuel that led them to create, instantiate what was once a concept within them became a reality.
00:42:30.000I heard this guy once share, my mate Tusker, in fact, he goes, he goes, if they'd lived down my street, then Wright brothers, they never would have invented that airplane because people have got, it's impossible.
00:42:39.000You can't fucking have ruined their courage.
00:42:43.000I really liked it because he was like from somewhere in North London, Tuscan.
00:43:22.000Then go speak to the people of Israel.
00:43:24.000So I opened my mouth and he gave me the scroll.
00:43:25.000Then he said to me, Son of man, eat the scroll I'm giving you and fill your stomach with it.
00:43:29.000So I ate it and it tasted sweet as honey in my mouth.
00:43:31.000Then he said to me, son of man, go now to the people of Israel and speak my words to them.
00:43:35.000You are being sent to a people of obscure speech and strange language.
00:43:40.000But to the, you are not, excuse me, you are not being sent to a people of obscure speech and strange language, but to the people of Israel, not to many peoples of obscure speech and strange language whose words you cannot understand.
00:43:50.000Surely if I'd sent you to them, they would have listened to you.
00:43:53.000But the people of Israel are not willing to listen to you because they're not willing to listen to me.
00:43:57.000For all the Israelites are hardened and obstinate.
00:43:59.000I will make you as unyielding and hardened as they are.
00:44:02.000I will make your forehead like the hardest stone, harder than flint.
00:44:06.000Do not be afraid of them or terrified by them, though they are a rebellious people.
00:44:10.000You're going to have to get right tough if you're going to carry the word.
00:44:14.000Hey, so yeah, so I guess I was just talking about that transcendent component and talking about altered states.
00:44:20.000And you like it, Dave, because you're sort of saying that there's a native within all of us, it explains in We Agnostics, is a sort of a latent awareness of the mysterious that through drugs can be heightened.
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00:47:59.000So I mean, ivermectin all week with methylene blue, which I do take anyway.
00:48:04.000And it's not made an awful lot of difference when I do have what I can only describe as a mild migraine that hasn't left me for the last two days.
00:48:19.000Like, you talk about staying with God and everything else when you, you know, when you're making decisions on self, you're going the other way.
00:48:26.000And I find it really hard when I'm tired.
00:48:54.000He can work with you wherever you are.
00:48:57.000What I want to make sure is that in our shared endeavors and missions, that we are in pursuit of the Lord always.
00:49:04.000The evil one is so adept at manipulating and maneuvering us.
00:49:09.000Even like me and Dave's off on an excursion, aren't we?
00:49:12.000And I've tried to reverse engineer vacations because I always, whenever I try and go on vacations, I don't like them because of the futility of luxury or even the hollowness of not having stuff to do.
00:49:29.000So we've tried to reverse engineer this one by giving us a mission.
00:49:33.000And as long as we stay focused on the mission, which is nothing short of saving a wounded prophet, then we'll be all right.
00:49:46.000So you out there, Joe, that's why I'm trying to give you the equally important mission of trying to find and catch the monkey out of Indiana Jones, who I happen to know for a fact is in somewhere in Morocco right now in a little vest, in little fez, tossing himself off for the amusement of tourists over there.
00:50:04.000I'm thinking about the stuff that happened to me in Marrakech.
00:50:07.000I think that what happened was, is I did encounter one of them little monkeys and a snake.
00:50:12.000They've always got stuff like that going on out there.
00:50:15.000You don't know because you're Americans.
00:51:41.000Whether you're talking about complex issues like pro-life and pro-choice, the one thing we can all be unified in overcoming is the tyranny of the self.
00:51:49.000They say, don't they, that a foolish man wants to master and control others.
00:51:54.000The wise man learns to master and control himself.
00:51:57.000Somehow within us, as Paul was fond of telling us, is a divine place and a holy inner sanctuary, a temple most divine.
00:52:06.000Ah, look you at an overhead plan, a four-floor plan, if you will, of the great temple in Jerusalem and note its peculiar resonance and how similar it looks to the microchip processor of a modern computer.
00:52:21.000Oh Lord, in your endless resonance and rhymes, we see through the geometry that surpasses all time.
00:52:27.000Deep and hidden truths abundant and everywhere.
00:57:47.000Richard Dawkins, the world's most aggressive critic of religion, pointed to these same passages and said they contain contradictions and cannot be trusted as history.
00:57:57.000Social media users have repeated his claims for years, with some calling the Bible a funny book made to put fools to sleep.
00:58:05.000And yet, Grok's conclusion hit the room hard.
00:58:09.000It said the structure matches real human cognition.
00:58:13.000It said the writers recorded events the same way the brain naturally processes experience.
00:58:22.000If the accounts were invented, why would they follow the exact pattern of real memory?
00:58:29.000What an amazing piece of content and brilliant use of technology.
00:58:33.000Precisely that kind of thesis antithesis synthesis is what we need, isn't it, if we're going to align for new parables in new times that require new storytelling techniques through new media using new image systems and new metaphor and new verification of data.
00:58:51.000pretty good that dave wasn't it yeah i mean well so going back to we agnostics the the reason will get you so far but it won't quite cross that bridge to faith you know So I think of, yeah.
00:59:09.000It's good to see that and you're like, it should reinforce your faith, but I mean, you still, there's a leap there that you have to do in faith.
00:59:18.000You know in neurology that most synaptic exchange is electromagnetic energy, but there's a moment inexplicably where it becomes chemical.
00:59:27.000No one, neurologists don't know why it does that.
00:59:29.000It becomes as it moves between synaptic branches.
00:59:33.000It becomes, it starts being electromagnetic and it becomes chemical for a moment.
00:59:36.000Even in the most, every single field of human endeavor enters a threshold of faith eventually because you will encounter the mystery.
00:59:46.000You will encounter the mystery in cosmology and biology and you'll get to the point where it's like, oh, no, that doesn't make sense anymore.