Stay Free - Russel Brand - Crack On: What Comes After Addiction, Chaos, and Collapse — SF671

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:21.000 The revolution moves apace.

00:00:23.000 The glory is upon us.

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00:00:37.000 I'm joined today, as always, to talk about the news, although the news continually changes by this brilliant team of fantastic men, many of whom, most of whom I'd say, have accepted Christ in their life.

00:00:49.000 There's our producer, Jake Smith.

00:00:50.000 All right, Jake.

00:00:51.000 Hey, good to be here.

00:00:52.000 Yeah, it's beautiful to see you.

00:00:53.000 There is local businessman, entrepreneur Dave Fields.

00:00:56.000 Hey, Dave.

00:00:57.000 Hello.

00:00:58.000 You've got your own podcast, of course.

00:01:00.000 I do.

00:01:00.000 I come on that sometimes, don't I?

00:01:01.000 You do.

00:01:02.000 And I'm probably one of your favorite guests.

00:01:04.000 The best.

00:01:05.000 So that was interesting.

00:01:05.000 You looked up to the right.

00:01:07.000 That's the lying side.

00:01:08.000 We've got Rob Zombie with us in the studio.

00:01:10.000 Hey, how y'all doing?

00:01:11.000 What's that in your mouth, Rob?

00:01:13.000 New grill.

00:01:14.000 New grill, new railings, new set of teeth.

00:01:16.000 Makes a change from what used to be in your mouth. 0.99

00:01:18.000 Either a crack pipe or a penis to pay for the crack pipe that would be following it. 1.00

00:01:22.000 If Rob Zombie can change and I can change, maybe the whole world can change. 0.99

00:01:26.000 Curtesy, Rocky Balboa.

00:01:29.000 Also, Joe McGann is with us.

00:01:31.000 He's there in the UK.

00:01:32.000 All right, Average Joe.

00:01:34.000 How are we doing, boys?

00:01:35.000 Pretty good.

00:01:35.000 We're going to get you to do more UK-based items where we investigate news stories in the UK, like get you to infiltrate things, interview people, stuff like that.

00:01:45.000 You know, like you did that brilliant reporting on the Tommy Robinson March.

00:01:47.000 Wanting to do more of that kind of thing.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, there's another one coming up actually in May, I believe.

00:01:53.000 Another protest, the same thing.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:56.000 Really?

00:01:56.000 I saw it on Tommy Robinson's ex two seconds.

00:01:59.000 Let me pull it up.

00:02:00.000 He announced it last week, I think.

00:02:02.000 May 16th is the date.

00:02:04.000 Central London is the place the world is watching and your voice will be heard.

00:02:09.000 Make it, share it, be there.

00:02:10.000 Four one.

00:02:12.000 Four nations, one God. 0.88

00:02:13.000 Look, that's good.

00:02:14.000 Wow.

00:02:14.000 Four, what do you say?

00:02:15.000 Four races, one God. 0.98

00:02:17.000 Four nations, one kingdom under God.

00:02:19.000 Four nations, one kingdom under God.

00:02:22.000 I don't know about, well, mate, that's he's gonna eventually your love of Tommy Robinson will mess with your love of Ireland.

00:02:28.000 Stuff like that.

00:02:28.000 Four nations under God.

00:02:30.000 But hey, Massey, how are you doing?

00:02:32.000 You alright, mate?

00:02:34.000 Not bad, mate.

00:02:35.000 You good?

00:02:35.000 Well, I feel pretty positive.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, I feel okay.

00:02:37.000 I'm dressed in a blanket.

00:02:39.000 I always knew the day would come, but I've managed to sort of the blanket is somewhat articulated by the sort of by old Gunchester.

00:02:47.000 Gunchester stops it being just a pure blanket.

00:02:50.000 There's Gunchester at the hip holds it all together. 0.78

00:02:53.000 It is Star Wars.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, very Star Wars.

00:02:57.000 So I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to take that back.

00:02:59.000 Now, sir, I've taken umbrage with what you've just said.

00:03:02.000 Look at the American spaces.

00:03:03.000 Don't worry, I do it all the time.

00:03:06.000 We're okay.

00:03:06.000 We're cool.

00:03:08.000 It's all good.

00:03:09.000 It's all good.

00:03:09.000 Don't panic.

00:03:10.000 Don't panic.

00:03:11.000 It's all going to be okay.

00:03:12.000 We've got a fantastic show lined up.

00:03:14.000 Before we get into our fantastic new item, Crack On, where we talk about recovery, let us know in the comments and chat if you're struggling with addiction or attachment or loss, particularly chemical dependency.

00:03:24.000 That's where me, Joe, and Dave have the most experience.

00:03:27.000 You can join us and benefit.

00:03:29.000 Remember, of course, we are just interested in recovery and carrying the message of recovery in the best way possible.

00:03:35.000 And if you'd like to come and see me live, you can.

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00:04:03.000 Brilliant show about coming to the Lord and about, well, actually, the powerful demonic forces that run our institutions.

00:04:10.000 These are the sort of things people are becoming aware of.

00:04:12.000 I've got a few stories to talk about before we get into recovery.

00:04:16.000 I want to just tag that beloved Shia LaBeouf, who I used to see around, good lad, good lad, has found the Lord, he's become as Catholic as possible.

00:04:24.000 Look at him there, he's right into it, and it's just lovely to see Shia LaBeouf saved.

00:04:29.000 What a beautiful story that is.

00:04:31.000 You like that, do you, Joe?

00:04:33.000 Yeah, it's good stuff.

00:04:34.000 He played Padre Pio'd me in a film recently, and that was when he converted, I believe.

00:04:39.000 Did you see the film?

00:04:41.000 I watched half of it.

00:04:42.000 What do you mean?

00:04:43.000 You're Catholic, you love God, you watch a film about Padre Pio, you love him taking drugs, you got bored.

00:04:49.000 I know the story.

00:04:50.000 Yeah, it's a good film.

00:04:51.000 I'll probably watch the other half tonight after this.

00:04:54.000 Brilliant.

00:04:55.000 All right.

00:04:55.000 I bet you don't.

00:04:56.000 I bet you get sidetracked.

00:04:57.000 I bet you get sidetracked.

00:04:58.000 I've seen a video of you watching it.

00:05:00.000 Yeah.

00:05:01.000 It didn't happen.

00:05:02.000 I'll do a watch along.

00:05:04.000 This is from Secretary Kennedy.

00:05:07.000 Excuse me.

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00:05:22.000 I reposted it with a simple message, does it work on your testicles? 0.98

00:05:27.000 And my hope is that that will inspire an ongoing online conversation and hopefully more lives will be saved. 0.99

00:05:34.000 How many people must die before the change?

00:05:38.000 Now, look, I want to let you know, Liz, because you know me, I'm not a racist, and I don't believe in racism or any phobias against anyone doing...

00:05:50.000 It's weird when you become Christian.

00:05:52.000 It's pretty clear what's in the old good book when it comes to things like, well, firstly, become a follower of Jesus.

00:05:57.000 It's pretty clear on that subject, although the Old Testament, there's some people, there are some people to whom we regular Christians are Mormons, innit?

00:06:07.000 To the Jews, we're the Mormons.

00:06:09.000 The Jews. 0.64

00:06:10.000 To the Jews, we're the Mormons.

00:06:12.000 And to the Mormons, we're the Jews.

00:06:16.000 Yeah?

00:06:18.000 That's your next book.

00:06:21.000 That's my next book.

00:06:24.000 But like, what I will say is, I wonder if anyone has strong views about this.

00:06:30.000 I saw it.

00:06:30.000 La Pearson that posted this online is about the new mayor of Brighton, pretty near where you're from, Joe, has been sworn in and is Muslim.

00:06:39.000 Now, me personally, I don't dispute anyone's religious freedoms.

00:06:44.000 If you're a follower of Islam, of course, you should be a follower of Islam if that's your thing, or if you're an atheist, or any of the other made-up wrong religions. 0.95

00:06:57.000 Like, yeah, no, I think they're all should be followed.

00:07:00.000 But what sort of strikes me as interesting is in Britain, which is of course a secular but nominally Christian country, in particular, I draw attention to the fact that the authority of the monarch is meant to be derived from divine authority.

00:07:15.000 It's God that apparently, according to, I feel like they won't say constitutional law, because Britain has no constitution.

00:07:22.000 But to Britain's inner national mythos, the reason we have a royal family is because the royal family has been appointed by God.

00:07:29.000 So that's kind of, and it's a Christian God in that instance.

00:07:32.000 So it's by definition a monarchy, and the monarchy is Christian.

00:07:36.000 So it's somewhat a Christian country.

00:07:38.000 So what do you think about this?

00:07:40.000 Let's have a look.

00:07:40.000 Gentlemen.

00:07:41.000 Assalamu alaikum.

00:07:46.000 Before I come, I learned a little bit to Rwandan.

00:07:58.000 Also, by the way, who's the geezer in a bowler at?

00:08:00.000 And why is he standing here like that?

00:08:02.000 What's that mad Bradford and Bingley odd job get up all about?

00:08:06.000 It's extraordinary.

00:08:08.000 Now, I actually think that mayor looks like a nice person.

00:08:11.000 I think he's emanating a pretty warm vibe.

00:08:13.000 And I think public service should and could be done by anyone who's got good, solid values when it comes to community service, kindness, love, non-corruption, non-bias.

00:08:22.000 But it's interesting, the explicitness of the religiosity.

00:08:27.000 I.e. says As-salamu alaykum at the very top of it.

00:08:30.000 I think he said another sort of Muslim thing during it.

00:08:34.000 And again, I'm not saying that's wrong.

00:08:35.000 I'm just saying, is there equivalency to that? 0.98

00:08:39.000 Would someone say, well, of course there is you moron when parliament begins, you know, or every time you're in a court case, you swear on the Bible, which is odd because it's a secular country. 0.98

00:08:48.000 And when I swear on a Bible at my trial, I bet I'm the only person in the room who believes in God. 0.98

00:08:52.000 So don't you think it's interesting that something can be so explicitly religious in a country where its stated religion has been not suppressed but kind of submerged.

00:09:05.000 Amakuru Yanu.

00:09:10.000 It is my great pleasure as mayor of Brighton and Hope to warmly welcome Ambassador Bushinze to our wonderful city today.

00:09:19.000 As you come from Rwanda, I come from Bangladesh.

00:09:23.000 So we are equal now in the diverse city ambassador and mayor of Brighton from the diverse.

00:09:34.000 In this city, I'm the first South Asian councillor and first South Asian mayor.

00:09:42.000 We are fortunate to have...

00:09:44.000 I don't think there's anything, of course, wrong with having a South Asian mayor or representatives of a country's political system that were not born in that country.

00:09:55.000 But I suppose what we're doing is we're really testing the boundaries of what a nation is.

00:09:59.000 A nation is by definition a contained set of land laws represented by a flag, in some cases a constitution, usually by some shared ideology, a bunch of tax rules, some legislation, generally beneficial to elites that operate beyond those very borders.

00:10:15.000 So I certainly don't encourage working people from around the world to get locked in deadly tension with one another on the basis of race or religion. 0.98

00:10:24.000 That's the worst and most stupid thing we could possibly be doing. 0.66

00:10:26.000 But it does tell you something interesting about a country's sense of identity when our own religiosity, our own faith in God, our own faith in real meaning or purpose has been sublimated to such a degree and we are yet somehow celebrating external, extraneous, secondary, different faiths. 0.99

00:10:51.000 Joe, you're from around there, mate.

00:10:52.000 What do you reckon?

00:10:54.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not a like big Muslim area for sure.

00:10:57.000 So it seems like a strange move.

00:10:59.000 And like, I don't know, man.

00:11:01.000 I do think if you're going to be the mayor of a place, you should be from the country, really.

00:11:05.000 Should you not?

00:11:06.000 I mean, you understand the culture, you represent that place.

00:11:10.000 You should be from that place, I think, anyway.

00:11:13.000 I wonder if I could become like a mayor or something.

00:11:18.000 I love these people.

00:11:20.000 But I wonder if I could get into office here.

00:11:24.000 It's interesting, isn't it?

00:11:25.000 It's interesting.

00:11:26.000 There's a lot of talk in scripture about nations being under God, nations being secondary to God, and almost the indication that nations will be overwhelmed at some point by God.

00:11:35.000 And that's partly what I think we might be experiencing now, that people may start to identify with something.

00:11:41.000 In fact, we all do.

00:11:42.000 You know, I identify probably with my own family, I would say, more than my Englishness.

00:11:47.000 I'm more concerned about my dog than I'm concerned about, you know, bloody hell, to be honest, the potential of Britain being in a war with Russia. 0.60

00:11:55.000 Because in truth, the nation is an abstract concept, bolted on, bolted on.

00:12:02.000 So, you know, I think they should be careful with messing with the fragility of an abstract concept like nation, which for a long while in a country like ours, the UK, was utilized to get generation after generation to fling their lives before the foreign fire of, in general, German machine guns. 0.73

00:12:19.000 And only now is that nationhood being revoked in favor of a word he said twice there, diversity.

00:12:25.000 And it's likely that that word diversity is part of a mandate in the same way that, you know, safe and effective crops up in news reports around vaccines.

00:12:34.000 Dave, what do you think of a British political system that enshrines and celebrates the religiosity of, in this case, a Muslim mayor so overtly?

00:12:46.000 I think that's fine if it is natural.

00:12:49.000 It seems like a forced agenda to come in and push and like forcing a change in culture.

00:12:56.000 That's the part that, like, I mean, it's got a bad feeling to it that, hey, we're coming in here with an agenda, that it's not a natural thing built from the culture, that this mayor's coming up.

00:13:09.000 It's, oh, no, we're going to place him in there so that we can change the culture, and it's a forced, I don't know.

00:13:15.000 It feels like agenda behind it.

00:13:17.000 What I liked when I live here, I reckon you're right.

00:13:19.000 When I lived in East London, I was around a lot of Muslim folk and visited the East London mosque a couple of times.

00:13:26.000 I was really interested in Islam because Muslims were against the establishment power that I considered to be the most serious threat to individual freedom of all people, Muslim and non-Muslim at that time. 1.00

00:13:40.000 This was around the point of Iraq and Iraq too and Guantanamo Bay and people getting arrested and interned.

00:13:47.000 And I thought, yeah, the Muslims, man, they got a case. 1.00

00:13:49.000 They got a point in this lot.

00:13:52.000 And I thought it was pretty cool.

00:13:53.000 And I learned a lot.

00:13:54.000 What was his name?

00:13:56.000 I spoke to this guy that had been a British guy that had been held in Guantanamo Bay, illegally arrested.

00:14:00.000 And I learned a lot about the persecution of Muslims.

00:14:03.000 And I think it's a real thing.

00:14:05.000 But I also now believe, Dave, like you, that part of the domestic disruption that's been caused in countries like Germany, the United Kingdom, and to a lesser extent your country, the United States, it seems to be sort of different here, is as a result of migration programs that are deliberately disruptive.

00:14:23.000 And I became aware of it mostly when it started happening in Ireland, because in the country of Ireland, you can't make the same claims that, well, Britain went around the world colonizing an imperial force disrupting all of these nations.

00:14:37.000 If eventually that leads to those countries being so war-torn that there's a refugee crisis, Britain should pay the price. 1.00

00:14:44.000 And I was like, I can see that argument, I can see that argument.

00:14:46.000 And America, America is a global economy that exploits its relationships with secondary nations, and every nation is secondary to the United States.

00:14:54.000 And that causes, whether it's lithium mining across the world or whatever's going on with cobalt in the Congo or wherever, you know, America's power is causing disruption.

00:15:04.000 I can see why America and America is a nation built on migration. 0.96

00:15:07.000 But when it was Ireland, I thought, hang on a minute, those guys didn't do that.

00:15:11.000 They were colonized by the British, oppressed, that to fight for their national identity. 0.88

00:15:15.000 And they were saying the same stuff, they being the globalist media, about Ireland, you're racist, da-da-da-da-da.

00:15:22.000 And I thought, no, you can't play it. 0.93

00:15:24.000 It's a lie.

00:15:24.000 It's definitely a lie.

00:15:25.000 And then I saw a brilliant article by, now don't be childish, the Chinese artist, Iwee Wee.

00:15:31.000 I Wee Wee was a Chinese artist who'd lived in Germany for a time as a refugee, did I Wee Wee?

00:15:37.000 And I WeeWee, like when he left China as a refugee, I said, don't be childish. 0.86

00:15:41.000 I WeeWee left China and he said like, you know, because he was a refugee and an artist for freedom of speech issues and he's just gone back to China because his mum was dying.

00:15:52.000 He's been in, seeking refugee status in Germany, Berlin.

00:15:57.000 And he's like, Germany's worse now than China. 0.94

00:16:00.000 Like, China's social controls are more relaxed and it's a less messed up country than Germany. 0.60

00:16:08.000 I remember I WeeWee, don't be childish, because like I WeeWee contributed when I done the New Statesman was my first gambit into the political in the UK when I said there's no point voting.

00:16:19.000 I was the guest editor of a magazine called The New Statesman because my girlfriend at the time, Jemima Kahn, was sort of affiliated with it and she got me to do it.

00:16:30.000 And anyway, I got good people involved.

00:16:32.000 Shepherd Fairey done the cover.

00:16:34.000 David Lynch did a bit.

00:16:35.000 Alec Baldwin did a bit.

00:16:36.000 Lots of people did stuff for it.

00:16:38.000 And that's when I said there's no point voting.

00:16:40.000 The magazine itself, The Snides, did an article the very next week saying why Russell Brown's wrong.

00:16:46.000 Like they got another actor, this sort of actor at our peep show, Robert Webb, a show that we all, all the English people in this show, love, actually.

00:16:52.000 And it's so funny and brilliant. 1.00

00:16:54.000 They got him to say, Russell Brown's crazy and he's an idiot and read some fucking Orwell. 0.99

00:16:58.000 And I've actually read quite a lot of Orwell, all George Orwell, actually. 0.99

00:17:02.000 And it turns out George Orwell was against totalitarianism and did not feel super encouraged by the tendencies of social democracy and how they slide towards totalitarianism.

00:17:12.000 I now know.

00:17:13.000 But I weeweed, don't be childish.

00:17:15.000 He was one of the people that contributed and it was just really interesting because I was thinking about how much my life has changed since I started to publicly talk about politics.

00:17:23.000 First then, with saying not vote, then when I started talking about running for mayor of London in around 2014, 2015, then when during COVID I made all this YouTube content where I criticised Moderna, Pfizer, then going on from that attacking state interests.

00:17:37.000 It's just interesting how much my life has changed.

00:17:41.000 And I'm grateful for all of it because I've found the Lord and I recognize now that you can't attack state power really from anywhere other than truth.

00:17:51.000 If you don't have access to a profound truth, you're just going to be locked in a cultural conflict forever.

00:17:56.000 If it's just like, I think that, you know, people should be able to express themselves sexually however they want, in the end you'll get into some sort of drama.

00:18:05.000 If it's some sort of other tribal affiliation or identity, you'll get in trouble. 0.99

00:18:10.000 But if what you're saying is there is a God, God has told us how to live.

00:18:14.000 He's even given us instruction for how to handle people who don't believe in God at all or believe in other gods.

00:18:19.000 And here's your instruction manual.

00:18:21.000 Here's your telos.

00:18:22.000 Any other way than this is going to lead to trouble.

00:18:24.000 And I think that's the conversation we're in now.

00:18:27.000 And when I get, by God's grace, get acquitted in the eventual trial, this will again be my focus.

00:18:33.000 This will again be my focus.

00:18:34.000 And by then, our movement will have grown.

00:18:36.000 Our online independent media movement will have grown.

00:18:39.000 People will know that independent media means immediate mass communication.

00:18:42.000 And the technology that's so changed everything from the way your food is delivered or the way you watch movies will ultimately be implemented in politics, granting direct democracy and decentralized systems of governance.

00:18:54.000 And mayors will mean something.

00:18:56.000 And local councils will mean something.

00:18:58.000 And city-states and borough councils will again mean something.

00:19:01.000 And centralized authority will be attacked.

00:19:03.000 They're, of course, well ahead of that.

00:19:04.000 They know that's what's coming down the pipe.

00:19:06.000 That's why they want to control this technology. 0.69

00:19:08.000 That's why, like with cryptocurrencies, they first of all say, this cryptocurrency is evil.

00:19:12.000 No one should touch it. 1.00

00:19:13.000 Then they go, shit, while they're dealing with that, set up our own cryptocurrencies and get with it quick because this shit's going to take us down. 1.00

00:19:22.000 And that's what they did with the internet. 1.00

00:19:23.000 They'll go, right, what is everyone, what's everyone against?

00:19:25.000 Paedophiles. 0.91

00:19:26.000 Say everyone's a pedophile. 0.98

00:19:27.000 Right. 0.63

00:19:27.000 The internet. 0.63

00:19:28.000 It's all paedophiles. 1.00

00:19:30.000 It's all paedophiles. 1.00

00:19:31.000 Meanwhile, they're all fucking on Epstein Island nothing off kids and stuff in that weird blue and white temple. 1.00

00:19:37.000 Right. 0.98

00:19:38.000 And they're buying time.

00:19:39.000 Everyone's going, well, is that person a paedophile? 0.96

00:19:41.000 The paedophiles.

00:19:42.000 Are you sure you're just introducing all this regulation and centralized control to protect us from paedophiles?

00:19:47.000 I, for example, I'm an adult and therefore I'm pretty safe from paedophiles, just by definition.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, your average paedophile there's a brilliant brass eye once brilliant brass eye when he goes, I'm a paedophile. 0.96

00:20:02.000 Is it okay for me to have sex with this 12 year old girl If I wait till she's 35? 1.00

00:20:10.000 And they do it to like a focus group and people are going, you disgust me. 1.00

00:20:14.000 Dear sir, I am a paedophile. 1.00

00:20:16.000 Please can I have sex with this three-year-old girl now that she's 21? 1.00

00:20:19.000 No way. 1.00

00:20:20.000 You should be in a mental asylum. 0.92

00:20:22.000 I'm unable to hear if I wait till she's 35. 0.98

00:20:26.000 They're unable to think straight.

00:20:27.000 It's amazing.

00:20:28.000 It's absolutely amazing.

00:20:29.000 Anyway, so my point is this, the world is changing.

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00:27:12.000 Hello, and welcome to Crack On with Joe, Dave and Russell.

00:27:17.000 I'm going to put myself last because, you know, the humility, the incredible humility.

00:27:21.000 Dave, how long you been clean and sober now, mate?

00:27:23.000 Just got 25 years.

00:27:25.000 Congratulations.

00:27:25.000 Well done.

00:27:27.000 Well, yeah.

00:27:28.000 What drugs did you most like taking?

00:27:30.000 Heroin and alcohol.

00:27:31.000 Yeah, they're good ones.

00:27:32.000 Joe, what about you, mate?

00:27:33.000 How long have you been clean and sober?

00:27:36.000 Five years now, mate.

00:27:37.000 What drugs did you like best?

00:27:40.000 I like cocaine best and alcohol.

00:27:44.000 Really, really liked alcohol.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, you like that alcohol, huh?

00:27:47.000 It's nice.

00:27:49.000 What about me?

00:27:50.000 I'm 23 years, one day at a time, and I liked crack and heroin.

00:27:54.000 I realized the other day that it's heroin that I really like because of oblivion when I was thinking about Joseph Campbell saying that in the waking state, you're interacting with reality.

00:28:03.000 In the dream state, you're digesting with reality.

00:28:06.000 In the blissful sleep state, you're in oblivion.

00:28:09.000 And I think some people really like a heightened state, you know, like really want to be experiencing.

00:28:16.000 I think if you're really into, say, for example, sex, maybe, or, I don't know, partying or something like that, I get the idea that heightened states are very good.

00:28:23.000 But I've been trying to spot in the 23 years since I've been clean and sober what it is that I'm looking for and what it is that I want.

00:28:31.000 And even though this podcast is, of course, not affiliated with any 12-step program in particular, the famous Alcoholics Anonymous third step is about the idea of surrendering, handing over your life and your will to the care of God as you understood God.

00:28:46.000 This is how it's written in mostly.

00:28:48.000 Made a decision to turn our will, our lives over to the care of God as we understood him.

00:28:52.000 Now, I've had people say to me before, what does that mean?

00:28:56.000 Turn your life and your will over to the care of God. 0.87

00:28:58.000 You might as well put it in the microwave.

00:29:00.000 What does that mean?

00:29:01.000 Turn your life and your will over to the care of God as you understand. 0.63

00:29:04.000 What does it mean to you, Dave?

00:29:06.000 Well, I think about the third step.

00:29:08.000 Like, I think first thing I think of, it's made a decision, right?

00:29:14.000 And so, you know, I have no idea how to turn my will my life over to the care of God, what that looks like.

00:29:21.000 I mean, does it look like someone standing up on a mountain with their arms open and they have some cathartic experience?

00:29:27.000 Not necessarily.

00:29:29.000 And so, because we've had those before.

00:29:31.000 I mean, you've had those. 1.00

00:29:32.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:29:32.000 God, get me out of this one. 1.00

00:29:34.000 I swear I'll change.

00:29:36.000 I mean it this time for real.

00:29:38.000 And it didn't stick.

00:29:40.000 And I think it's this decision and that decision is really, it's a positional change.

00:29:46.000 For me, it's going, hey, you know, he's the principal, we're the agent.

00:29:50.000 He's the father, we're the child.

00:29:51.000 It's going, I'm taking the position that I'm no longer going to be the actor trying to run the show, that he's actually the director.

00:30:01.000 And I'm taking a demotion, so to speak.

00:30:04.000 So, all right, so in your own life, you're saying you're not in charge anymore of your own life.

00:30:11.000 Correct.

00:30:13.000 i'm responsible for my actions you know and to to do that but outcomes results um even even main decisions you know it's it's i'm i'm not the it gives a good example in uh the 60s there and in the big book where it talks about an actor trying to run the whole show So you have an actor that's trying to play the director.

00:30:39.000 You may relate with this.

00:30:40.000 I don't know.

00:30:40.000 You've been on movies.

00:30:41.000 No, and also I don't have any problems with self-centeredness.

00:30:45.000 So I'm all here.

00:30:46.000 Just explain what you mean.

00:30:49.000 The actor running around trying to arrange people in his own way.

00:30:53.000 If only things would stay put, if only people would do as he wished, the show would be great.

00:30:58.000 And then he gets more frustrated and inserts himself more into it.

00:31:03.000 And so our real problem is selfishness, self-centeredness.

00:31:06.000 That's really the root of what it talks about on 62.

00:31:11.000 It's my real problem is me.

00:31:13.000 And so I'm taking a demotion in step three and I'm saying it's a positional change where I'm saying, okay, there is a God.

00:31:21.000 It's not me.

00:31:23.000 And I'm going to make a decision.

00:31:25.000 But I really don't know how to do that.

00:31:27.000 And I really don't, I think when you do the prayer in the third step, I really don't think it ends until you hit the seventh step where it has the amen in the seventh step.

00:31:38.000 Because through the process of inventory and stuff, I get to see how I play God.

00:31:42.000 What's my pattern?

00:31:43.000 This is how I play God.

00:31:44.000 This is what I'm asking to turn over to him.

00:31:47.000 Yes.

00:31:48.000 So the reference that Dave just made to the big book is the colloquial term used in some 12-step fellowships, I understand, notably Alcoholics Anonymous with who this podcast has no affiliation.

00:32:02.000 And in Alcoholics Anonymous, the big book says, this is the actor analogy or allegory that Dave is referring to.

00:32:14.000 There are 12 steps obviously in a 12-step program.

00:32:17.000 The first one is surrendering your will, admission, really, admitting you're powerless, you're powerless over alcohol or drugs or whatever, and your life's become unmanageable.

00:32:27.000 The second one is come to believe that power greater than yourself could return you to sanity.

00:32:32.000 And the third one that we're talking about here, it seems, is made a decision to turn our will and our life over to the care of God as we understood God.

00:32:39.000 Before we get Joe's opinions and feelings on step three, here is the reading that Dave referred to.

00:32:46.000 The first requirement is that we be convinced that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success.

00:32:53.000 On that basis, we're almost always in collision with something or somebody, even though our motives are good.

00:33:00.000 Most people try to live by self-propulsion.

00:33:03.000 Each person is like an actor who wants to run the whole show.

00:33:08.000 He's forever trying to arrange the lights, the ballet, the scenery, and the rest of the players in his own way.

00:33:13.000 If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people would do as he wished, the show would be great.

00:33:19.000 Everybody including himself would be pleased.

00:33:21.000 Life would be wonderful.

00:33:23.000 In trying to make these arrangements, our actor may sometimes be quite virtuous.

00:33:27.000 He may be kind, considerate, patient, generous, even modest and self-sacrificing.

00:33:33.000 On the other hand, he might be mean, egotistical, selfish, and dishonest.

00:33:38.000 But as with most humans, he is likely to have varied traits.

00:33:42.000 What usually happens?

00:33:43.000 The show doesn't come off very well.

00:33:45.000 He begins to think life doesn't treat him right.

00:33:48.000 He decides to exert himself more.

00:33:49.000 He becomes on the next occasion still more demanding or gracious as the case may be.

00:33:53.000 Still, the play doesn't suit him.

00:33:55.000 Admitting he may be somewhat at fault, he's sure that other people are more to blame.

00:34:00.000 He becomes angry, indignant, self-pitying.

00:34:04.000 What is his basic trouble?

00:34:07.000 Is he not really a self-seeker, even when trying to be kind?

00:34:13.000 Is he not a victim of the delusion that he can wrest satisfaction and happiness out of this world if only he manages well?

00:34:25.000 That's one of my favorite lines in all 12-step literature, the idea that you can wrest satisfaction out of this world if only you manage well.

00:34:33.000 That somehow the material world has got something to offer you.

00:34:36.000 What often starts as a journey with getting off drugs and alcohol leads pretty early on to the recognition or at least the acknowledgement that what you've been trying to do is make the world make you happy?

00:34:49.000 And that idea is such an anathema to some people that, well, what else would make you happy if the whole system's built on get a job, get a car, get a family, get even things that are, as it brilliantly illustrates there, even if it's not something that's nefarious?

00:35:02.000 I mean, it's pretty obvious, someone like me wants to go around having a bunch of sex and being famous, you know, anyone will tell you that's a dumb way to make yourself happy eventually.

00:35:10.000 But what if it's like you want to have kids and be respected in your community? 0.83

00:35:14.000 It's still a kind of a form of resting satisfaction from this world, or as the Bible would have it, worship of false idols.

00:35:21.000 Joe, tell me what comes up for you when we're talking about step three, both what Dave there shared and the reading.

00:35:27.000 So like, I see that as the start of the program, really, because I mean, in the big book there, you've got four chapters previous to that.

00:35:35.000 And it doesn't even, it don't really mention steps.

00:35:37.000 It don't say anything about them.

00:35:38.000 Chapter five, just before that bit you read, it's got a bit, it says, this has made clear three pertinent ideas.

00:35:46.000 A, we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives, right?

00:35:50.000 B, no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.

00:35:54.000 C, God could and would if he was sought.

00:35:57.000 So like, no one goes to a 12-step fellowship if they can stop on their own will.

00:36:02.000 Usually you've tried everything.

00:36:03.000 You've exhausted all avenues.

00:36:05.000 I wouldn't have stopped ever if I could have kept going when it was clear, like, I'm going to die or kill myself here.

00:36:12.000 I need something supernatural to iron this out.

00:36:16.000 So for me, it's acknowledging that.

00:36:19.000 Because what I say to a lot of people when I sponsor them in that is, look, there's a lot of empty seats in here.

00:36:24.000 And all of us know people that have died having not got to a 12-step fellowship, hung themselves, overdosed, crashed a car, however it happened, right?

00:36:33.000 So maybe just by getting a seat in there, you've been saved by the grace of God already, right?

00:36:38.000 You see the powerlessness.

00:36:40.000 Now it's like, oh, I acknowledge the fact I'm lucky to be here.

00:36:44.000 Thank you, God.

00:36:45.000 What do you want me to do?

00:36:47.000 What's the deal?

00:36:47.000 What did I do to deserve a seat in here?

00:36:49.000 And like, after that bit you read there, Russell, it says, like, before we took the step, like, we recognized we have a new employer being all-powerful who will provide what we need if we keep close to him and perform his work well.

00:37:03.000 And then established on such footing, we became less and less interested in ourselves, our little plans and designs, and more and more interested in what we can do for others.

00:37:12.000 And I think that's the deal.

00:37:13.000 And it's like, okay, I acknowledge that.

00:37:15.000 I made the decision.

00:37:16.000 It says made the decision, not make a decision.

00:37:19.000 It's made the decision to turn.

00:37:21.000 So it suggests there is an ongoing process.

00:37:24.000 Having made the decision not to run on self-will, drink, use or kill myself, I'm going to turn towards the will of God through four and five, take inventory, six and seven, defect, and so on.

00:37:35.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:37:36.000 That's how I see it anyway.

00:37:38.000 Well, already we've arrived.

00:37:40.000 Thank you.

00:37:40.000 We've already arrived, though, at sort of what seems to be a critical and important point is how are we men who apply this beyond alcohol?

00:37:51.000 Like if we make a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God with regard to alcohol, we all know that sort of boils down to don't drink anymore one day at a time.

00:38:03.000 But when we extrapolate that into, well, what is it that makes you drink really?

00:38:08.000 And to distill it, you could say, my self-will makes me drink.

00:38:12.000 And it's my self-will will cause problems for me in any number of ways.

00:38:16.000 How do we then apply this truth that we've discovered with regard to alcohol to all the other areas of our life?

00:38:23.000 Although I acknowledge that explicitly in the text there, I'm pointing to my phone, as if that provides any additional context.

00:38:28.000 It could be anything on a phone.

00:38:29.000 I'm going to go with Dave first, Joe.

00:38:31.000 Like, how do we make clear that how do we deal with the sort of peculiar tension that everyone, when they think about 12-step programs, surely think, well, if someone's going to narcotics anonymous, they're giving up narcotics.

00:38:45.000 If they're going to gamblers anonymous, they're giving up gambling.

00:38:47.000 If they're going to Alcoholics Anonymous, they're giving up booze.

00:38:50.000 So, Dave, how do you help me to understand this difference between handing over my will and my life to the care of God as I understand God, not drinking again?

00:38:59.000 And then how is that about self-will?

00:39:02.000 And how do you use it not only to not drink one day at a time, but I don't know, not getting arguments or not shout your kids or not living self-will.

00:39:13.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 It's pretty wild.

00:39:15.000 I mean, you think about someone coming in that doesn't have any background around AA or NA.

00:39:21.000 And then you read up to, I mean, you've read 70, 80 something pages up to then because you had the forwards.

00:39:28.000 And there's very little talked about alcohol in comparison.

00:39:32.000 And like, even, and especially going forward, it's, it's, you're like, I come to AA to stop drinking.

00:39:40.000 I'm killing myself from drinking.

00:39:43.000 But yet what you're talking about is a way of living.

00:39:46.000 Like the steps are really just, it's a way, it's a pattern of life.

00:39:49.000 It's a, it's a way of living.

00:39:51.000 And step three, I think a lot up to this point is just a lot of accepting and understanding.

00:40:02.000 Like for the first time when I went through the first three steps, I remember going, oh my gosh, like there's actually, it gave me words, a mental obsession, an allergic reaction, a physical allergy.

00:40:14.000 Like this is what I've been experiencing.

00:40:16.000 It diagnosed me, right?

00:40:19.000 And so like step one, a lot of people will say is done outside the rooms, right?

00:40:24.000 Step one is trying to stay sober, can't.

00:40:27.000 I mean, it's done for years and years and years, learning, okay, I'm hopeless.

00:40:31.000 Like this thing's got me beat.

00:40:33.000 I have a mind that tells me to drink when I don't want to against my will.

00:40:37.000 I drink against my will.

00:40:40.000 And then I have a body that once I take it in, has an allergic reaction that craves more, produces this craving.

00:40:46.000 And so if I just had one or the other, I could possibly control it, but I can't control and I for sure can't control and enjoy, like it says on page 30.

00:40:55.000 But when we hit step three, it's first like inflection points, like, okay, the first real kind of action that you take and you're going, okay, it's this decision.

00:41:04.000 And like you're saying, this way of like, like, what does that look like when you make this decision?

00:41:12.000 I don't know what it looks like.

00:41:14.000 And thank goodness the book is so simple that, I mean, right after you get done with step three, it says next we launch on a course of vigorous action.

00:41:23.000 It tells you exactly what to do because what it looks like is you're going to figure out what it looks like.

00:41:27.000 You just make this decision.

00:41:29.000 Okay, God, you're the employer.

00:41:31.000 I'm an employee.

00:41:32.000 You're the principal.

00:41:33.000 Like, I'm taking that position.

00:41:35.000 I'm going to trust you.

00:41:36.000 And then step four is where you really start to like understand, okay, this is how I play God.

00:41:42.000 I'm trying to meet my own needs.

00:41:43.000 That's amazing.

00:41:44.000 That's amazing.

00:41:44.000 All right.

00:41:45.000 So if you like, I can really get a handle very easily on step one.

00:41:50.000 I'm powerless over alcohol.

00:41:51.000 My life's become unmanageable because the only way you wouldn't be taking step one would be going, no, I'm not powerless.

00:41:59.000 I can stop whatever I want.

00:42:00.000 I like it.

00:42:01.000 I like that I just went to the toilet in my trousers.

00:42:04.000 Like a lot of people won't try to fight that position.

00:42:08.000 Then to fight the position on step two, you know, came to believe that power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

00:42:15.000 You've got to get someone to sit down and go, like a lot of people, sometimes I don't have step two in me.

00:42:19.000 Sometimes I don't think life can get better.

00:42:22.000 Sometimes I think, no, life is pain.

00:42:24.000 Life is suffering.

00:42:26.000 Life is a grind.

00:42:27.000 I deserve this.

00:42:28.000 I'm not a good person.

00:42:30.000 I've never been sane in the first place.

00:42:32.000 There's no such thing as sanity.

00:42:34.000 There's no such thing as, there's no God.

00:42:37.000 There's no perfect thing that I could be restored to.

00:42:40.000 So, you know, I can see the arguments one can make for step two.

00:42:43.000 But if you can get someone to go, do you think it's possible that things could be better?

00:42:47.000 You know, particularly, again, if you're just asking them with regard to drugs and alcohol, normally you can say, well, Dave used to be on smack the whole time.

00:42:56.000 Joe used to be all coked up the whole time.

00:42:59.000 Rob's on meth.

00:42:59.000 Russell was on smack.

00:43:01.000 Like, now we are not.

00:43:03.000 So that's better, isn't it?

00:43:04.000 That's better.

00:43:05.000 And then I can go, okay.

00:43:06.000 That's enough of an aperture for someone to enter with when the object remains substance dependency.

00:43:13.000 But what I think is interesting to be talking about this in front of, like, Jake, a sort of a well-practiced Christian, is that when it gets to step three, what you're sort of suddenly saying is, you know inside you, in Michael Singer's brilliant book, Untethered Soul, he sort of talks about the idea, you know there are hands, this is the metaphor he uses, there are hands inside you that are either pulling something towards you or pushing something away, right?

00:43:39.000 I want that bar of chocolate.

00:43:40.000 I want to have attractive woman attracted to me.

00:43:43.000 I don't want person to say I'm not giving you money.

00:43:46.000 Like you're, ah, ah, you're either repelled or attracted.

00:43:49.000 And he uses the hands metaphor. 0.99

00:43:52.000 Now what the sort of Christian idea and what the step three idea seems to be is you, the owner of these hands, the expressor of this will, you get the fuck out of it. 0.86

00:44:04.000 And that's like a kind of, what? 0.72

00:44:07.000 And like, you know, and if you're a Christian, you're saying, our Lord and Savior, you come in and you occupy this temporary tabernacle of my body.

00:44:15.000 You live here and run things for me.

00:44:18.000 But let's be honest, it's like, like, because I know you both well, I must say, Joe, I'm applying this a lot more to you.

00:44:23.000 Like, like, sort of when you talk about step three, I think, oh my God, he completely and totally understands it.

00:44:29.000 But like, you, like me, and I don't see this as much in you, Dave, actually, it's one of many reasons I admire you so much.

00:44:34.000 It's like, I identify with you, Joe, when it comes to your self.

00:44:39.000 I don't mean selfishness in a mean way, but your selfishness isn't quite right.

00:44:43.000 Selfishness, if you actually understand it, is it?

00:44:45.000 You're so yourself, man. 1.00

00:44:48.000 Like, you are so your fucking self. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Like, in some ways, it's actually amazing. 1.00

00:44:53.000 Like, I am.

00:44:54.000 I'm so myself that I don't care about my kids. 1.00

00:44:57.000 Like, I'm just too busy being Russell, so fuck off. 1.00

00:45:00.000 Like, that's sort of like how I'll get, you know. 0.99

00:45:03.000 But I know you understand it conceptually.

00:45:06.000 And I guess in both of the second two steps, there's the invitation and evocation of the mystery.

00:45:12.000 Something's going to come in here that's not of human power.

00:45:15.000 Like you said with the three pertinent ideas, God could and would if he was sought.

00:45:19.000 You know, that's on the metaphysical side of this, the spiritual side, shall we say, for simplicity's sake.

00:45:25.000 But then, as Dave alluded to, the next thing is vigorous course of action.

00:45:29.000 Like one of the great geniuses that I know in this program, Tim M, he says that step three means, you know, having made a decision to turn our will and our life over to the care of God, you know, what does that mean?

00:45:40.000 It means now do step four.

00:45:43.000 And I'm reminded that these steps are looked at cohesively as a unit.

00:45:47.000 And step four is fearless and thorough moral inventory, right?

00:45:51.000 What did you do?

00:45:52.000 What do you believe?

00:45:53.000 Who do you resent?

00:45:54.000 What are you afraid of?

00:45:55.000 Tell the truth about everything you've ever done or ever had happen sexually.

00:45:58.000 You know, like that's a, it's a process.

00:46:01.000 The steps are a process for inducing spiritual change.

00:46:05.000 And at some point in this podcast, I hope we get to talk about Carl Jung and Bill W's fascinating correspondence, which is one of the documents that makes me realize the true depth and ingenuity of the 12-step program.

00:46:17.000 But Joe, what were you thinking there, mate?

00:46:19.000 I saw you were ready to go when, you know, about an hour ago.

00:46:22.000 So I see it as like when you make that decision moving forward, having taken your inventory and the preceding steps, it kind of means to detach from your thinking, right?

00:46:35.000 Your problems, potential solutions and outcomes.

00:46:39.000 It's detachment and it's detachment.

00:46:41.000 That's the spiritual life.

00:46:43.000 And what I notice when I'm not on that path with God's will, it's going to come out in defects, like craving for food, sex, money.

00:46:51.000 And it'll become like, I feel like I have a lack, a lack of these things and I need the comfort that I think I'll get with them.

00:46:57.000 And then when I get them, it don't work neither.

00:47:00.000 It never works, does it?

00:47:01.000 It's the world of illusion.

00:47:03.000 I heard a brilliant thing in a 12-step meeting one time where this geezer said, an illusion is if you was to see a belt on the floor and think it was a snake.

00:47:13.000 A delusion is if you saw a belt in this floor and you just couldn't stop thinking it was a snake, no matter what, like even somehow it's a belt, there's belt holes in it.

00:47:21.000 It's a belt.

00:47:22.000 No, it's going to bite me.

00:47:24.000 It's the thing to try to change.

00:47:25.000 And I return to the delusion that I can wrest satisfaction out of this world.

00:47:30.000 And I think part of what's happening to me now to make it sort of, you know, to make it more personal is with Bear dying tomorrow.

00:47:38.000 So by the time people watch this, I suppose, Bear will be dead, is that it's such a kind of, it's hitting me so hard.

00:47:47.000 And this happening while obviously I live in the, for my own sort of trials, testing, growth, what do I want to call it?

00:47:56.000 Inuring, sanctification, the trials, the rape trials that will take place at some point this year.

00:48:05.000 With Bear dying, it's like, like everything since these trials has changed, right?

00:48:11.000 Like I've had to confront some complicated ideas.

00:48:14.000 The complicated idea that people are willing to say that about me.

00:48:18.000 You know, you know, everyone who's watches this show know that I think that there are some dark, weird reasons this is happening.

00:48:24.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.

00:48:26.000 But I also know that being promiscuous does cause spiritual damage to the people you're promiscuous with.

00:48:32.000 And so I'm recognizing that damage is in part my responsibility while being entirely separate from coercing people to do things against their will.

00:48:41.000 So ever since I've been living in this kind of the quandary of knowing that I have atonement and that I want to be spiritually a good part.

00:48:50.000 I don't want to be hurting people, though there'd be people in the world that have been hurt by me, of course.

00:48:55.000 But yet, what do you do if someone or I wouldn't say someone, I would say if a story is created that makes it appealing to suggest that that was something different at the time.

00:49:08.000 Like I have to live in this really unusual thing.

00:49:10.000 And even small things that have happened in the meantime, like when like our kids were like doing, because all of our kids are friends here, like me and Dave and Jakes and stuff, like did a kind of a play, a play together.

00:49:21.000 Like we were like, Peggy auditioned for a part in it and she didn't get it right.

00:49:25.000 And like, I couldn't believe how like hurt I was by this very, very minor thing like in life where like, you know, like a kid's good, that's life, man.

00:49:36.000 Like little things like that.

00:49:37.000 And I started to recognize as with the dog's death, even though I love this dog very purely and very truthfully and very authentically because with a dog, you don't wear your mask.

00:49:47.000 A dog is a living contract between you and the family members.

00:49:51.000 For example, in a practical way, I would let the dog run wild and my wife would go, don't let the dog run wild.

00:49:57.000 So the dog becomes a living conversation about how we are different from one another.

00:50:02.000 The dog, when I went to sort of cry in despair when I was on my own with him, like I felt as the cry came gurgling up me, I felt might be an effort to modulate it.

00:50:13.000 Like I was like, oh, like I'll do it different if Jake was in the room.

00:50:16.000 I'd do it different if my kids were in the room.

00:50:18.000 I'd do it different if my wife was in the room. 1.00

00:50:19.000 I'd do it different if I knew it was being filmed.

00:50:22.000 Then like as it was coming, I realized no one's in the room except him.

00:50:25.000 So I just did it exactly as it was.

00:50:29.000 So he knows me exactly as I am because there's no point being anything else.

00:50:35.000 There's no point being anything else.

00:50:36.000 So you're losing, I'm losing, my family are losing, like this thing that's very authentic and very real.

00:50:44.000 And that in itself is enough.

00:50:45.000 But then additionally, he's the vehicle of family.

00:50:48.000 He's been with us all this time.

00:50:49.000 He's been witness all this time.

00:50:51.000 So what I feel like in an instance such as this one is that how does it, how it challenges my relationship with God, how it challenges my relationship with truth, how it shows me, yes, how it shows me you cannot wrest satisfaction out of anything in this world.

00:51:10.000 The most joyful things in your life will become tragic.

00:51:14.000 The most pleasurable things will become painful.

00:51:17.000 And the things that are joyful are a temporary window to the one true universal and eternal grace of God.

00:51:24.000 And things that are pleasurable are usually sort of biochemical prompts to get you to behave in a proper way, like eat food or procreate, that we try to whip away and sinfully use for our own self-idolatry.

00:51:40.000 As it says elsewhere in 12-step literature, for example, about sex, that sex is meant to be an accompaniment to a loving relationship, not an object in itself.

00:51:51.000 So I'm sort of struck by the almost limitless brevity and deep wisdom of the 12-step program.

00:51:58.000 How important do you think it is, Dave, that it begins with something clear and identifiable like alcohol?

00:52:05.000 And how strange do you consider it to be that something that's about something that you consider to be as specific as alcohol can be mapped onto and applied to literally anything? 0.74

00:52:14.000 I mean, if someone gave you a manual of how to look after a car and they went, it'll work just as well if you apply it to an apple tree, you'd go, that's fucking weird.

00:52:23.000 But this does work like that.

00:52:25.000 Why?

00:52:27.000 Well, there's a lot of questions you asked there first.

00:52:30.000 That's my style.

00:52:32.000 First thing I think of, one thing you mentioned when you say like, when it talks about he's a victim of the delusion he can rest satisfaction and happiness out of this world if he only manages well.

00:52:49.000 I think that's really the emphasis there.

00:52:51.000 It's not that you're not going to have satisfaction and happiness out of this world.

00:52:54.000 In fact, like since we've gotten sober, and I can speak for all three of us, I've seen huge amount of satisfaction, like way more than I would have when I was drinking.

00:53:05.000 But it's not because I've managed it well.

00:53:09.000 It's not because I figured out, I figured out how to live life on my terms.

00:53:13.000 You know, it was because I gave up my terms.

00:53:17.000 I think with, if you don't have, your second question was, if you don't have alcohol or some pressing factor that comes in and forces it like it does for us, where we don't have another, like I don't have another option.

00:53:36.000 Like this is my Hail Mary.

00:53:38.000 And I'm just hoping it works because I look at Joe and I go, man, he was just like me.

00:53:44.000 He relates.

00:53:45.000 He thinks like me.

00:53:47.000 Like I get Joe.

00:53:48.000 But Joe is free and clear.

00:53:51.000 He's not sweating, trying to figure out how to keep himself busy because he's just obsessing about alcohol.

00:53:57.000 He looks free.

00:53:59.000 Man, if that can happen to him, I want it to happen to me.

00:54:02.000 I'll do whatever he did.

00:54:05.000 It's really more about, like, I mean, a lot of step three is really just going, okay, I'm going to make this decision.

00:54:11.000 and I'd say some of step two too is because I'm looking at someone else and I'm seeing the fruit that they have and I'm going, okay, maybe.

00:54:20.000 When you have it, I think of alcoholism as one of the greatest gifts that was ever given to me now, sober, because it's made me have a close relationship with God.

00:54:31.000 Like I don't have that liberty like someone that's quote unquote normal that isn't an alcoholic or doesn't have something really pressing.

00:54:40.000 A lot of people have their own addictions and sins.

00:54:43.000 What I found is as I've taken lots of different guys that aren't alcoholics through the steps, they get a ton out of it and they're like blown away by it.

00:54:54.000 But they don't have something pressing that keeps them doing 10, 11, and 12.

00:55:00.000 And so that's really, when you go through the steps one time, that's one thing.

00:55:04.000 But when you take step three, it's not saying that, hey, you're going to now be godly from here on out.

00:55:11.000 It's the opposite.

00:55:12.000 And that's not really the point.

00:55:14.000 When you're doing, the point's growth.

00:55:17.000 And so as you screw up and you're back in self and then you do a 10th step and then you, you know, do 11, go work with another alcoholic in 12, you're growing through that process.

00:55:28.000 And guys that aren't alcoholics, they don't stick with 10, 11, and 12 because they don't have something pressing that they have to.

00:55:35.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:55:36.000 Before I go to Rob, who's going to tell us what it was like, what happened, and what it's like now.

00:55:44.000 Joe, what are your thoughts, mate, on what we've discussed so far?

00:55:51.000 So what I was thinking there, as Dave touched on, step two, and like we came to believe in a power grade in our self could restore us to sanity.

00:56:01.000 I see that now in terms of like, I was insane.

00:56:04.000 I used to think I could drink and use drugs and manage all right.

00:56:08.000 Now I know I cannot.

00:56:10.000 For me, that is sanity. 0.97

00:56:12.000 Yeah, because in other areas of life, I'm still fucking mental half the time. 0.88

00:56:16.000 Do you know what I mean? 0.97

00:56:17.000 I do all right.

00:56:18.000 And that's why I have to ask God to direct my thinking on a daily basis.

00:56:21.000 And for me at the minute, in a practical sense, what does it mean?

00:56:24.000 Like step three and 11 is like turn up to work on time in a job I don't particularly like.

00:56:31.000 Do what is expected.

00:56:33.000 Don't let anyone there know that I don't really like it.

00:56:35.000 And I will be honest with you, I've fallen short in the last couple of days.

00:56:40.000 But that's the process of turning towards God's will, right?

00:56:44.000 And like, mate, I know when I'm falling off that sort of line because today it was, I just wanted to binge on food.

00:56:52.000 I wanted chocolate and I wanted dopamine in my brain because I was drifting into self-pity.

00:56:52.000 I wanted sugar.

00:56:58.000 And that comes through thinking about myself too much.

00:57:00.000 I don't like this.

00:57:01.000 I want things to be different.

00:57:03.000 I think things will be better, but they're not yet.

00:57:06.000 And they're not. 0.90

00:57:06.000 So I fucking need to just glitch me out for a little minute. 0.90

00:57:11.000 Nice. 0.97

00:57:11.000 100%. 0.97

00:57:13.000 I'd be interested to hear what Jake makes of all this, but why not wait until we've heard the wise words of our beloved friend Rob?

00:57:22.000 But before we get into Rob, have you tried Reborn Adaptogenic Mushroom Super Coffee with Ashwaganda and Lion's Mane?

00:57:32.000 Well, that's probably why you're so dapped. 0.99

00:57:34.000 Yeah, have you had some?

00:57:37.000 Well, have we even opened it?

00:57:38.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 I mean, it feels nice.

00:57:39.000 There's the instructions.

00:57:41.000 It's like the good old days.

00:57:41.000 Cook it up.

00:57:42.000 Cook it up on a spoon, add some water, directly inject it into it.

00:57:47.000 No, no, stir it into a cup of coffee.

00:57:49.000 It's coffee.

00:57:50.000 It's coffee.

00:57:51.000 We tried it on Rob.

00:57:52.000 We tried it on Rob.

00:57:53.000 He ate it dry.

00:57:55.000 Rob?

00:57:55.000 Great shot.

00:57:57.000 Pretty good.

00:57:57.000 We tried it on Rob.

00:57:59.000 Rob, thank you for joining us today.

00:58:01.000 And has Rob got a mic there, by the way?

00:58:03.000 Rob's mic.

00:58:03.000 You won't be able to hear him, but he's all recording.

00:58:05.000 What about Joe be out?

00:58:07.000 You'll hear him through this mic, but he is being recorded.

00:58:10.000 Hold on, I'm going to shut up.

00:58:11.000 One second.

00:58:12.000 I'll get Rob.

00:58:14.000 You get it.

00:58:16.000 That's directional.

00:58:17.000 Just leave it there.

00:58:17.000 They'll hear you enough to be able to tell you.

00:58:24.000 What it was like, what happened?

00:58:26.000 What it's like now?

00:58:28.000 Five minutes. 1.00

00:58:29.000 So it was a total shit show. 1.00

00:58:31.000 That's what it was like. 1.00

00:58:33.000 20-some years on meth and fueled with tequila.

00:58:39.000 Thought that was the only way to live.

00:58:43.000 I met Dave, what, about four years ago.

00:58:48.000 Came down here trying to get sober.

00:58:51.000 Thought I understood it.

00:58:53.000 Made a couple months.

00:58:54.000 Went back, tried to fix a relationship.

00:58:57.000 Relationship fell apart.

00:59:00.000 So I relapsed.

00:59:03.000 And then I kept yearning.

00:59:06.000 I felt that emptiness that I know that now only God can feel and being part of a program.

00:59:18.000 So I kept looking, trying to figure it out.

00:59:21.000 I'd get a month or so sober and then I'd fall off, something would fall apart, job would fall apart, relationship, I'd be right back out.

00:59:30.000 And about 10, 11 months ago, I hit my rock bottom and I was spiritually, mentally, physically, emotionally done, like broken.

00:59:44.000 Picked up a pistol, was going to end my life, and my dog bumped the pistol out of my grip. 0.97

00:59:50.000 And that was my aha moment that I still have purpose here.

00:59:55.000 And so I reached back out to Dave and came down to Florida, started working on the program again, got about six and a half months completely sober.

01:00:07.000 And then I had a small slip.

01:00:10.000 And now I'm, what, a little over three and a half months sober.

01:00:17.000 It's been wild.

01:00:19.000 Like, when I let go and let God be God, things work a hell of a lot better.

01:00:26.000 What do you mean let go and let God?

01:00:28.000 Well, like the whole actor thing you were talking about in the big book.

01:00:33.000 Like I tried to live my life by a script that I created, but nobody else had the script.

01:00:42.000 I expected everybody else to know what the hell was on the script when I was the only one holding it.

01:00:49.000 And finally, when I let God be the director and I go by his script, things go a lot smoother. 0.99

01:01:01.000 It's a total shit show when I... 0.99

01:01:04.000 Does that mean, like, letting God be in charge? 1.00

01:01:08.000 Does that...

01:01:09.000 What does that mean in a particular moment of this?

01:01:12.000 Like, how do you practice that?

01:01:14.000 A lot of prayer.

01:01:15.000 So when something's happening and you're scared, what?

01:01:17.000 Like?

01:01:19.000 Pray, contact somebody in the program, a close friend, somebody at church, and just be open about it.

01:01:29.000 Because when you confine and don't talk about stuff that you're dealing with, that's when it leaves the door open for resentment or these horrible thoughts when my stinking thinking starts taking off.

01:01:50.000 Think everybody's out to get me. 1.00

01:01:54.000 And by calling another addict or another alcoholic, they can be like, hey, you're being an idiot thinking like that. 1.00

01:02:03.000 It's not that bad. 1.00

01:02:05.000 It's just temporary.

01:02:10.000 You go quick thinking.

01:02:13.000 Rob, you're doing really amazing, Rob.

01:02:15.000 You sound brilliant and you look beautiful.

01:02:17.000 Where on earth did you get those teeth?

01:02:19.000 Yeah, so I recently got teeth, which has been amazing after, gosh, 15 years with no teeth.

01:02:32.000 I had six teeth about nine years ago and had to have them removed, but I haven't had a full set of teeth in over 15 years.

01:02:40.000 And now, looking in the mirror, I don't see the addict me.

01:02:47.000 I see a new me, which has been amazing.

01:02:50.000 Dave, and some, I know you had helped, and several people from church have helped me to be able to get these teeth.

01:03:02.000 And it just makes me feel so much better looking in the mirror.

01:03:08.000 I bet it does. 0.95

01:03:09.000 I mean, you look a lot better, and it's a great testimony, but a lot of people are saying that the blowjobs have deteriorated in standards. 0.97

01:03:16.000 No one enjoys it. 0.99

01:03:17.000 They're very chompy.

01:03:18.000 They're too sharp.

01:03:19.000 Got to find a new corner, you know.

01:03:21.000 You're going to have to.

01:03:22.000 The whole client list is absolutely annihilated by that.

01:03:26.000 Russ, read that.

01:03:27.000 I was thinking about Rob when he said he was, you know, playing by a set of rules that only he understood the rules too.

01:03:34.000 And there's a scripture in Isaiah.

01:03:37.000 I think what all y'all have touched on a lot, this is the ultimate surrender.

01:03:43.000 Isaiah 45, verse 9.

01:03:46.000 Woe to those who quarrel with their maker, those who are nothing but pots herds among the pots herds on the ground, which I think means like clay pots.

01:03:55.000 Clay pots, yep.

01:03:56.000 Does the clay say to the potter, what are you making?

01:04:00.000 Does your work say the potter has no hands?

01:04:04.000 That's amazing to question whether or not God knows what God's doing.

01:04:09.000 Like, our maybe it's just, it's amazing they're sort of preceding and preempting the atheistic argument.

01:04:15.000 Is your argument that there is no God, that we're just arbitrarily and randomly here, that the laws of the universe, not to mention the inner experience of being human, love, loss, grief, glory, all of the nuanced, peculiar stave of human emotions has just happened arbitrarily, the kind of blind watchmaker argument.

01:04:37.000 And also, I suppose, Jake, what you're saying is that it's our job to recognize what he wants to use us for, and that that process, like it says in another of the objects or articles of faith of 12-step programs, is the 12 and 12, the 12 steps in the 12 traditions.

01:04:56.000 And somewhere early in step seven, which is the one that Dave referred to, we humbly ask God to remove our defects of character, which is from a sort of a materialistic perspective.

01:05:06.000 I mean, what on earth are you saying?

01:05:08.000 I mean, if you like, because there are obviously lots of people that use 12-step programs that are atheists, but I do wonder when it comes to something like humbly ask God to remove your defects of character, how you secularize that idea.

01:05:21.000 And anyway, well, in step seven, it says, the process of gaining a new perspective was unbelievably painful.

01:05:30.000 And like the process of being shaped, molded, changed, changed from a person that worships the world, worships your identity, worships the false gods and false idols, whether that's fame, money, success, hierarchies, whatever it is that the world has put before you, to pull yourself, well not to pull yourself away from that, to be pulled from that.

01:05:53.000 It's like unbelievably painful.

01:05:55.000 And I like a lot of the black humor that's in like 12-step literature.

01:06:00.000 There's another piece that says, the decision as to whether to live a spiritual life or to die an alcoholic death is not an easy one to make.

01:06:11.000 Shall I live a spiritual life?

01:06:13.000 Oh, well, I mean, you know, the only other alternative is an alcoholic death.

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 So tell me, what will that be like?

01:06:20.000 Well, I don't know.

01:06:20.000 Maybe it's like some sort of liver disease.

01:06:22.000 You're puking in your bed.

01:06:24.000 Maybe you're murdered because you've got involved in vice and criminal activity or whatever. 1.00

01:06:30.000 Okay.

01:06:30.000 All right.

01:06:31.000 So spiritual life, what am I going to have to do?

01:06:32.000 We're going to have to put God ahead of your own thoughts.

01:06:37.000 Oh man.

01:06:38.000 All right. 1.00

01:06:38.000 No, fuck it. 1.00

01:06:39.000 I'd rather die. 1.00

01:06:40.000 It's too odd. 0.99

01:06:41.000 It's too difficult.

01:06:42.000 It's such a why my own beyond even my gratitude at having my life turned around from being someone chemically dependent to someone who is drug-free and alcohol free one day at a time.

01:06:55.000 My fascination with the 12 steps is how it aligns perfectly with the principles of Christianity, how it's a kind of preparatory document.

01:07:06.000 I'm not saying that people that aren't Christian that are 12 steps haven't had the full benefit.

01:07:11.000 But what I'm astonished by is someone that's been exploring drug use, New Age ideas, meditation, as well as political ideas about corruption, hypocrisy, deception, institutional control, globalism.

01:07:28.000 To find all of that in the Bible, as well as everything I experienced with the 12-step, things that I've spent a long time studying and experiencing, not to find alignment.

01:07:38.000 That's what's amazing.

01:07:40.000 Like, you know, I would never have gotten something like that Isaiah verse before.

01:07:45.000 Like, I'd have just sort of thought that's do as you're told, is I'd have interpreted that.

01:07:49.000 I'd have interpreted that as do as you're told.

01:07:51.000 I wouldn't have seen that the clay is your consciousness, that you are made of something beyond even your flesh.

01:07:59.000 There is a spiritual component to you that's being affected and changed by some unseen hand that is only knowable in ways that are difficult to describe.

01:08:10.000 Yeah, and I think the other thought to consider is that the potter is good.

01:08:16.000 He's good.

01:08:17.000 So he's not shaping you into something hideous and ugly.

01:08:21.000 Like that's the trust part.

01:08:22.000 Like when you were talking about that unconditional love and how that's hard to grasp and understand in your life, that's because sometimes you don't see the Father as good.

01:08:35.000 His gifts are good.

01:08:36.000 What he's molding and shaping you into is going to be good.

01:08:39.000 Thanks.

01:08:40.000 So whenever you have an annihilation or this thought process of I want to just disappear from reality, drugs are probably a good God for that.

01:08:52.000 Very good.

01:08:53.000 They're the best for that.

01:08:55.000 You can't knock drugs when it comes to the pursuit of oblivion.

01:08:58.000 Drugs, everyone.

01:09:00.000 The answer.

01:09:01.000 And that concludes this week's episode.

01:09:06.000 No, thank you very much.

01:09:07.000 Yeah, thanks for them insights.

01:09:10.000 I reckon then we should maybe let me know in the comments and chat what particular questions related to recovery and 12-step recovery you would like to see us respond to and discuss.

01:09:21.000 If there's any parts of the literature of any all 12-step fellowships that you find particularly helpful or if there are any stories or challenges that you want to put before primarily me, Joe and Dave there.

01:09:36.000 Rob, thank you very much for contributing and for your story.

01:09:40.000 Well done.

01:09:41.000 Good luck with the new Nash's.

01:09:42.000 Good luck with the Raylings.

01:09:44.000 Good luck with the Grill as we say and good luck with your life as a drug and alcohol-free follower of God.

01:09:51.000 Dave, thanks for joining us.

01:09:53.000 Sure.

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01:09:57.000 You feeling all right?

01:09:57.000 Is there anything you want to say?

01:09:59.000 No, good mate.

01:10:00.000 Thanks Massey for being with us mate and being the sort of the silent ever-present voice of atheism and thank you Jake for producing the show.

01:10:10.000 Hey let's do the disclaimer again because I thought it was so beautiful when Jake played and Joe spoke.

01:10:15.000 When Joe spake and Jake played it was a beautiful thing.

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