Stay Free - Russel Brand - Darren Allen (We Are Living In a Machine!)

00:00:00.000 Hello, you awakening wonders.

00:00:01.000 Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand today.

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00:00:19.000 Hello, hello, hello.

00:00:20.000 Hello there, darling.

00:00:21.000 We've got a fantastic show for you today, unless you're worried about dying in a nuclear apocalypse, in which case we should probably turn off now. 0.98

00:00:28.000 Joe Biden, your president, if you're America, is in Poland right now giving some weird, crazy, simplistic, reductive, Fisher-Price-style speech for morons out there, simplifying a very complex situation. 0.77

00:00:41.000 Putin has just suspended the only remaining nuclear arms treaty that they have with the US, although I think if actually you are going to have a nuclear war, The treaty! 0.89

00:00:53.000 It might not be of that much value.

00:00:55.000 In our presentation, here's the news.

00:00:57.000 We'll be looking at Chinese balloons and the Ohio derailment.

00:01:01.000 What's the real threat to you in your life?

00:01:02.000 Let me know in the chat what you think.

00:01:04.000 And after 10 minutes, we skip over to being exclusively on Rumble.

00:01:08.000 Today, to discuss new data on the effects of lockdown on children.

00:01:14.000 For a lot of you, it's going to be exactly what you expected, exactly what you discussed, but we can't discuss that kind of thing on YouTube because it's controversial, isn't it?

00:01:23.000 It certainly is.

00:01:26.000 It doesn't matter what new information comes about.

00:01:28.000 Yeah.

00:01:29.000 On YouTube, the rules don't change.

00:01:31.000 That's why there's a link in the description.

00:01:31.000 They don't change.

00:01:33.000 We'll speak freely there about the stories that matter to you and your life and as well as presenting potential solutions and alternative systems.

00:01:33.000 You can watch us on Rumble.

00:01:41.000 That's why today's guest is Orpha and Anarchist.

00:01:44.000 Darren, I'm not writing this book, I can't be bothered.

00:01:46.000 That's not what anarchy means.

00:01:48.000 Anarchy isn't nihilism, it's absolute democracy and a refusal to accept domination.

00:01:48.000 Grow up.

00:01:53.000 I can see new ways that libertarianism and anarchism could live side by side quite easily.

00:01:58.000 We'll be talking with our guest Darren about new systems and new systems seem to be necessary right now in order to prevent an apocalypse.

00:02:06.000 Maybe you're not bothered about an apocalypse.

00:02:08.000 I don't like them.

00:02:09.000 But first of all, let's discuss some important stories from around the world that will restore your faith in the system.

00:02:19.000 For a start, Spain have decriminalised sex acts with animals.

00:02:22.000 So that's good news, isn't it?

00:02:24.000 Unless you're an animal who's hoping to not have sex with a person for some reason, in which case it's not legal, but decriminalised.

00:02:31.000 Usually you hear that around controlled substances, don't you?

00:02:34.000 It's not legal, but it's decriminalised.

00:02:35.000 I'm certainly not endorsing any controlled substance, why would I?

00:02:38.000 Neither am I endorsing sex with an animal in Spain. 0.66

00:02:42.000 Yeah.

00:02:43.000 Why is this happening?

00:02:44.000 What's happening right now that makes you think the solution to this problem is...

00:02:47.000 Look at that tortoise. 0.96

00:02:49.000 I hope it's not a tourist thing.

00:02:51.000 Welcome to España!

00:02:56.000 Normally it's no, no.

00:02:57.000 Here it's we say si, si.

00:03:01.000 Viva España!

00:03:02.000 Surely not. 0.99

00:03:03.000 I don't want to be reductive or simplistic, but it is a story about allowing human beings to potentially have sex with animals.

00:03:03.000 Surely not.

00:03:09.000 Doesn't seem like progress.

00:03:11.000 Seems like literally an attempt to reverse evolution.

00:03:15.000 Oh, no, you don't.

00:03:16.000 We're not going to ascend to the realm of angels.

00:03:18.000 I just think it's an interesting response to, you know, potential nuclear Armageddon, is that maybe Spain is just going, all bets are off, we can all do what we want now.

00:03:27.000 OK, bad news.

00:03:28.000 Putin has torn up the last remaining nuclear treaty. 0.97

00:03:31.000 OK, but on the bright side, I have a very attractive pig. 1.00

00:03:36.000 Sorry for that accent. 0.54

00:03:37.000 It's a Spanish person, basically European, like me.

00:03:40.000 Also, don't worry about a thing, because there's this new singing robot mouth thing.

00:03:45.000 Who needs monkeys? 1.00

00:03:47.000 Why bother going down the zoo with some bolt cutters when you can simply acquire this singing mouth. 0.65

00:03:53.000 If it doesn't give you an eerie and terrified sensation, you may need to see a psychiatrist.

00:03:57.000 Just have a look.

00:03:58.000 Well, I'm hard.

00:04:05.000 Norfolk Southern are lobbying.

00:04:07.000 You know, the dudes that spill all them chemicals all over Ohio, polluting the water around there.

00:04:12.000 They are... Look at this business.

00:04:15.000 Norfolk Southern has thrown roughly $100 million into politics since 1990.

00:04:19.000 They're valued at $55 billion.

00:04:21.000 They've spent nearly $80 million since 98 on lobbying.

00:04:24.000 Since 99, it's sent about $17 million directly to candidates' coffers, and it's given £5 to Ohio East Palestinians affected by toxic train explosions, which is enough for one bottle of water, roughly, and they're going to bloody well need it.

00:04:41.000 Make it last, guys, because you're going to need it.

00:04:45.000 Let's focus on our main story now.

00:04:47.000 Your president and mine for America is a hegemonic globalist.

00:04:52.000 You know I love American people, but this kind of stuff, man.

00:04:55.000 Check him out.

00:04:56.000 Is he in Ohio?

00:05:00.000 Surely the people of Ohio are not going to appreciate this music, are they?

00:05:04.000 Because surely a lot of them are suffering.

00:05:05.000 They're looking at a lousy $5 bill thinking, how am I going to make this last?

00:05:09.000 We're not too keen on cancer or that weird vinyl sounding chemical they're splashing about over there, that little fish killer.

00:05:09.000 I need a shower.

00:05:17.000 No, he's actually in Poland, mate, simplifying the war.

00:05:20.000 I remember when I was a lad, you didn't have anniversaries for wars, because they were considered terrible, terrible catastrophes, rather than like, you know, not world cups for the military-industrial complex.

00:05:31.000 No, not pop concerts.

00:05:32.000 It's not a pop concert.

00:05:33.000 This is a terrible event.

00:05:34.000 Also, Joe Biden isn't the sort of politician that can be showcased in this way.

00:05:39.000 You don't want to see Joe Biden coming up a runway over a period of time.

00:05:43.000 You don't need a long period of time to study his gait.

00:05:47.000 No.

00:05:47.000 If you look at how he walks for too long, the torso is too rattly, the hands ain't right.

00:05:52.000 If you were putting together a list of catwalk models, he wouldn't be top of the list, would he?

00:05:55.000 I don't know.

00:05:56.000 I'd want a seal.

00:05:58.000 Right.

00:05:58.000 Because I feel like Seal would really stride down that.

00:06:02.000 If the president was Seal, even Zelensky, he would like troglodyte shuffle down there looking pleased with himself.

00:06:07.000 With his jumper on, yeah.

00:06:09.000 I bet those jumpers become old fashionable.

00:06:14.000 Like people are wearing them.

00:06:15.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:06:16.000 Because he's a symbol now, isn't he?

00:06:17.000 Let us know in the chat and the comments if you've got one of them sort of car key hoodies and you're trying to bust that stuff and capitalise on Zelensky glamour.

00:06:24.000 You can join us on the locals chat.

00:06:26.000 You can click that button.

00:06:27.000 This is the chat that we have open here.

00:06:28.000 A lot of people love us.

00:06:30.000 Look at this person.

00:06:31.000 Stone Owen.

00:06:32.000 Actually, they're just talking to each other.

00:06:33.000 They're not even talking to us in there as bloody usual.

00:06:35.000 It's nice in there.

00:06:36.000 I think people are falling in love and all sorts of stuff.

00:06:38.000 Let's look at a little bit more old Strutty Joe.

00:06:45.000 That isn't even the right ambience, like looking up.

00:06:47.000 We heard that there were like smoke machines there, which, you know, might be good to acclimatise you

00:06:53.000 to the radioactive fog that you're soon going to be living within

00:06:55.000 if this Armageddon thing kicks off.

00:06:57.000 It's not the right atmosphere and it's going on too long.

00:07:16.000 He's smiling, isn't he?

00:07:17.000 But internally, I think he's thinking, why is this so bloody long?

00:07:20.000 Because you know Joe Biden, that is one area where he really struggles.

00:07:23.000 He's getting on and off stages without wondering.

00:07:26.000 In fact, that's probably what everyone's so pleased about.

00:07:28.000 He didn't wander off into the crowd.

00:07:30.000 He didn't turn off.

00:07:31.000 He didn't sniff someone on the head.

00:07:32.000 He got right on there.

00:07:34.000 Well done, actually.

00:07:35.000 One of his better performances.

00:07:37.000 I would say top five.

00:07:38.000 So you may be terrified about the potential nuclear war that we're heading towards.

00:07:44.000 But in other news, Joe Biden can make it down a relatively long runway.

00:07:48.000 Putin did a comparable propaganda speech, much more what you would expect, slightly more ascetic, stringent,

00:07:55.000 austere, much more Russian, obedient crowd, not such a celebratory tone.

00:08:01.000 Have a look.

00:08:02.000 Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

00:08:05.000 Adam.

00:08:07.000 Good day to you.

00:08:19.000 Ooh, do a version of the Grammys!

00:08:20.000 Make it like the Grammys!

00:08:24.000 This is what it would be like if they did put music over it, just in case.

00:08:24.000 Line it up!

00:08:27.000 In spite of all the fanfare, Joe Biden did of course give a speech.

00:08:40.000 And what I'd like to draw your attention to is the simplistic language that's used in this speech.

00:08:45.000 Talk of heroes, villains, bravery.

00:08:48.000 Now, I love archetypes, deep truths, trying to get to the essence of a story.

00:08:52.000 What aspect of human nature underwrites our current systems?

00:08:56.000 Is it selfishness?

00:08:56.000 Is it greed?

00:08:57.000 Is it lust?

00:08:58.000 Is it altruism and philanthropy?

00:09:00.000 But when you talk about Complex geopolitical situations that definitely have transgressions on both sides.

00:09:08.000 If you're a regular viewer of our channel, and I hope you are, you know we've spoken to people like Jeffrey Sachs who explained to us about the 2014 coup, how people that are in the Cheney-Bush administration are operating on behalf of the U.S.

00:09:21.000 government, Right now advocating for more aggressive measures.

00:09:26.000 You know how much military support the US are giving to Ukraine.

00:09:31.000 You know that Russia feel aggrieved about the impeachment of their initial, not treaty, but agreement with America after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

00:09:39.000 This is a sort of a complicated story, but you wouldn't Autocrats only understand one word. 0.99

00:09:43.000 No.

00:09:44.000 is a simple tale about sort of bullying or something that you would explain it to a child.

00:09:44.000 No, no.

00:09:49.000 They thought that we would roll over like listen listen it's an insult to your intelligence I think.

00:09:54.000 Autocrats only understand one word no no no. That's actually three words and I think 1.00

00:10:03.000 autocrats probably have good vocabularies. No you will not take my country. No you will not. 0.97

00:10:12.000 My country.

00:10:13.000 I thought this wasn't a proxy war.

00:10:16.000 Freedom, be careful about that word, by the way.

00:10:18.000 Freedom, it's a word that's about bigotry now.

00:10:21.000 It's a far-right word.

00:10:22.000 Although some of the units within the Ukraine army might be into that type of freedom.

00:10:29.000 And I'll repeat tonight what I said last year in the same place.

00:10:32.000 Bit boring.

00:10:34.000 I'll find Joe Biden hard enough to concentrate on if he gives a new speech.

00:10:37.000 Don't know what he said last year.

00:10:39.000 I'd like to see the narrative evolve a little bit.

00:10:41.000 Listen, if you're watching this on YouTube or anywhere other than Rumble, we can only stay for a few more minutes.

00:10:46.000 After that, we're going to be talking about the impact of lockdown on children and several

00:10:51.000 other early pandemic myths that have been busted.

00:10:54.000 So you're going to want to click that link and join us where the speech is free and the

00:10:59.000 fun keeps on flowing.

00:11:00.000 Let's analyze Joe Biden's speech a little further.

00:11:02.000 And I want you to particularly pay attention to simplistic, reductive language that tries

00:11:07.000 to frame this complex conflict in terms that allow, I would say, systemic abuses to continue,

00:11:13.000 i.e. profiteering, post-war restructuring that's highly profitable for NAE such as BlackRock.

00:11:19.000 Have a little look at this.

00:11:20.000 Have a look at the framing of this conflict.

00:11:21.000 I like to be talking, spoke to like a grown up.

00:11:24.000 This is a difficult situation.

00:11:25.000 This is a very difficult war.

00:11:26.000 Obviously we have an obligation to protect Ukrainian people, but we have said that Ukraine won't join NATO and now NATO are operating on behalf of Ukraine.

00:11:33.000 It's very, very complicated.

00:11:34.000 Yes, there's lots of profits being made from this war.

00:11:35.000 You know, all of that stuff, that's the kind of conversation I want to have.

00:11:38.000 Why won't the mainstream media conversation have that conversation with you?

00:11:41.000 Why are they so complicit?

00:11:43.000 A dictator bent on rebuilding an empire will never be able to ease the people's love of liberty.

00:11:51.000 That's not a catchphrase, is it?

00:11:53.000 A dictator hell-bent on rebuilding an empire will never be able to ease people's... I mean, I think the fact that you can't remember it... It's not catchy enough, is it?

00:12:02.000 It's not like Just Say No or something like that.

00:12:06.000 Brutality will never grind down the will of the free, and Ukraine Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia.

00:12:16.000 Never.

00:12:17.000 That's called jingoism, it's called bombast and reductivism.

00:12:20.000 We'll be talking more about the complexity and potential threat over the course of the show.

00:12:24.000 We're going to talk about Putin tearing up the nuclear treaty and the obvious potential risk that that poses.

00:12:30.000 If you're my age you grew up under the threat of the Cold War and potential nuclear plight but we thought that sort of stuff was behind us and America Up until very recently had a much more favourable and amenable relationship with Russia.

00:12:41.000 Where has that gone?

00:12:42.000 Who's benefiting from this situation?

00:12:44.000 If you're watching us on YouTube or anywhere else, we're going to click over exclusively onto Rumble right now, because we're going to be talking in a few minutes about the pandemic and several myths that are being busted.

00:12:54.000 We'll also be talking to Darren Allen.

00:12:56.000 Anarchist and critic of our current social system about his new novel and some of his observation about many of the myths that hold our culture together.

00:13:04.000 So do join us right now because I'm hankering after free speech, Gareth.

00:13:08.000 Can you see that?

00:13:08.000 I can tell.

00:13:09.000 I'm going to start speaking freely any minute.

00:13:11.000 Vesuda, the throat chakra, the place of deep truth is about to light up.

00:13:15.000 So if you're watching this anywhere else, click over and watch us on Rumble right now.

00:13:19.000 See you there.

00:13:23.000 Rolling Rainbow Funder.

00:13:25.000 Dear Mother Earth, please do not hold the actions of 1% of our population against all of humanity.

00:13:30.000 A plea there to Gaia, to the deep systems that underwrite our terrestrial existence.

00:13:35.000 If you want to join us in the chat, you can.

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00:13:40.000 of our community. Joining us now is Darren Allen, anarchist and author of Fired and Ad

00:13:46.000 Radicum and 33 Myths of the System, sharing his analysis on how we might propose, discuss

00:13:53.000 and bring about alternative systems. Right, Darren, thanks for joining us. We met because

00:13:57.000 I like that book, 33 Myths of the System that you wrote, where you talked about a lot of

00:14:02.000 presumed ideas around our culture, the myth of education, the myth of science, the myth

00:14:07.000 I think a lot of your writing came to people's attention during the pandemic when your analysis was that the crisis was being used to implement further surveillance and there was a lot of

00:14:18.000 observable duplicity. Can you talk us through how you came to some of those conclusions and broadly

00:14:24.000 speaking what you think the significance of the pandemic was and what we can learn from it when it

00:14:29.000 comes to how power operates and the convergence of interests that coalesce around an event like

00:14:34.000 that? Well, first of all, do you think it was a pandemic? What do you mean by that? What would...

00:14:40.000 I suppose when I'm using that name, I mean, you know, there was coronavirus, SARS, people had symptoms, it was traveling between China, Italy.

00:14:49.000 So under those terms, yeah.

00:14:51.000 I mean, the IFR, the infection fatality rate was kind of like that of a bad flu.

00:14:58.000 The all cause mortality wasn't out of the ordinary.

00:15:03.000 Um, there weren't people dying in the streets.

00:15:07.000 Young people didn't die.

00:15:08.000 All of Africa seemed to get through okay.

00:15:10.000 Celebrities were getting through okay.

00:15:13.000 The old continent of Africa first, then celebrities.

00:15:17.000 Africa, of course, where the patents weren't made available.

00:15:20.000 And so the vaccine weren't so widely disseminated.

00:15:23.000 And you're saying there weren't any significant difference in like for alleys or even infection.

00:15:28.000 Well, the old WHO definition of pandemic used to be a large number of people dying.

00:15:35.000 And there wasn't.

00:15:36.000 I don't think so.

00:15:37.000 I mean, I call it a pseudo-pandemic.

00:15:42.000 Gone in hard.

00:15:45.000 Straight out of the blocks there, Darren.

00:15:47.000 They'll love you over here in the chat for that.

00:15:49.000 Pseudo-pandemic.

00:15:50.000 Plandemic is what they'll be saying down there in the chat.

00:15:54.000 So, given that you even refute the definition, pandemic, what do you think about the broader response and some of the manifestations around it, mate?

00:16:04.000 Well, I mean, it takes a while before you can discover what really is behind vast crimes.

00:16:09.000 I mean, when they're actually happening, No one really knows.

00:16:13.000 The best analysis I've found is by a guy called Fabio Vigi, I think it is, and he has a pretty convincing case for the fact that it was just a means of pumping in trillions of dollars into the economy and switching off Main Street.

00:16:29.000 That is basically the modus operandi of the economic system since, well, since forever really.

00:16:37.000 It's a debt-based Um, Ponzi scheme.

00:16:41.000 And it's inevitably gonna crash and crash and crash and crash and the only way to save it is to print money.

00:16:46.000 So it's just a way of printing money.

00:16:48.000 I see, so you think it's economically driven.

00:16:50.000 When you say something like that... And technologically, I mean, it was another, it was an excuse to expand the techno-sphere as well.

00:16:58.000 Certainly both of those things happened, but ultimately now we're in the terrain of what the mainstream media would call conspiracy theory.

00:17:06.000 And I suppose the area of that that's always challenging to discuss is how something of that nature would be coordinated.

00:17:14.000 We can see there was a massive wealth transfer We can see it facilitated greater surveillance.

00:17:18.000 You can see that it was a soft sell for social credit scoring and introduced ideas that previously would have been unconscionable.

00:17:25.000 But when we talk about the execution of a global conspiracy, it always leads to the necessity for collaboration.

00:17:35.000 Whilst there are sort of propagandist and sort of greenwashing organisations like WEF hidden in plain sight, While there are bodies like the IMF that leverage debt and their actions around this war and previous wars, you can certainly apply a comparable analysis to the one you just applied there.

00:17:54.000 When you say something at that scale is a way of flooding the system with money, do you feel that it requires actual conspiracy or do you see that the convergence of interest can just bring about those kind of states?

00:18:06.000 Option B. Yeah.

00:18:07.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 I mean, the system is self operating to a large extent.

00:18:14.000 It is basically a machine.

00:18:16.000 And that's something that's often missed in radical analysis, that we are living in a machine.

00:18:24.000 And you've got the people on the right who own the machine, what you call capitalists, and then you've got people on the left, who manage the machine, the professional class.

00:18:34.000 But it's the machine that is the problem.

00:18:37.000 We are all suckling at this vast, vast robotic world now.

00:18:47.000 And it has its own priorities, its own way of working.

00:18:52.000 It forces us to think and live in certain ways.

00:18:56.000 It forces us to become like machines.

00:18:58.000 Yes.

00:18:59.000 That is the target.

00:19:00.000 Something as immersive and inherently totalitarian as that will require, do you agree, something quite cataclysmic and seismic to bring about its overthrow.

00:19:13.000 Isn't that sometimes a disheartening paradigm?

00:19:13.000 Yes.

00:19:17.000 No, no.

00:19:18.000 Gordon, may I?

00:19:20.000 Fabulous.

00:19:21.000 That's an opportunity.

00:19:22.000 I mean, do you love this system?

00:19:25.000 Does anybody who has a heart beating in their breast No.

00:19:31.000 It's despicable. 0.93

00:19:33.000 It's horrendous.

00:19:34.000 The faster it can fall apart, the better.

00:19:36.000 No?

00:19:36.000 I used to enjoy Mark Fisher's analysis, in particular his book, Late Capitalism, where he suggested that part of the mastery of this system, and he used a comparable Deleuze and Guterres analysis of it being a machine-like system that generated other machines and created that kind of mentality and that kind of lens, he said is that part of what he had achieved Is that it meant it's impossible for us to envisage new systems that we see as reality.

00:20:03.000 We can't.

00:20:04.000 He said it's easier to envisage the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

00:20:08.000 Famous phrase, I think Mark coined, God rest his soul, though he was an anarchist and probably a socialist and an atheist, certainly.

00:20:17.000 So, when you're saying that there's some optimism in this, because we're all yearning to be free, we're all yearning for a deeper connection to one another, to ourselves, and to nature more broadly, what is it that you propose?

00:20:29.000 Obviously, I know that you're an anarchist, so I'm assuming that what you propose as an alternative system is anarchy.

00:20:35.000 Can you talk us through it, bearing in mind that a lot of people watching this and a lot of people asking this question may have only a rudimentary understanding of anarchy, and even a misunderstanding of anarchy, because a lot of people Related to nihilism and punkishness and smash the state, smash the system.

00:20:49.000 So can you talk us through what you mean by anarchy and indeed what anarchy means more broadly?

00:20:55.000 Anarchism means freedom from control.

00:20:58.000 Controlled by what?

00:20:59.000 Controlled by any force that is coercive.

00:21:05.000 And there's basically seven of those.

00:21:07.000 There's kings, there's governments, states, corporations, there's the technocratic system, there's the professional institutional system, there's the mass, the democratic mass, and there's the human ego.

00:21:22.000 The degree to which we can be free of all of those things is the degree to which we can be joyous and free.

00:21:29.000 Just cutting out one or two of those things, which tends to happen with socialist thinking, for example, okay, let's get rid of capitalism.

00:21:36.000 Okay, let's get rid of the elite.

00:21:38.000 Or, okay, let's attack, you know, the elite doesn't do anything.

00:21:42.000 The whole thing has to be identified, first of all, for what it is, and then naturally, by itself, spontaneously organic social forms emerge, as they do when anybody is free.

00:21:58.000 I mean, ordinary people are anarchists when they're at their very best.

00:22:03.000 So when you are in love, for example, when you have a loving family and everything's going okay, when you have a group of friends, or even when you're at work and the boss isn't there, things work well.

00:22:16.000 Automatically, naturally.

00:22:17.000 What here?

00:22:18.000 Yeah, and it's going quite well.

00:22:19.000 Well, there you go.

00:22:20.000 He was holding us back.

00:22:21.000 Right, exactly.

00:22:22.000 So you're saying that anarchy is almost an anthropological system.

00:22:26.000 It's like a, it's cosmic nature.

00:22:28.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:29.000 The universe is anarchic.

00:22:33.000 I like the way, mate, that you suggest that there's a deep spiritual component to it, that the human ego, that the first system that we must overcome is the system of self.

00:22:41.000 And that there's a, I suppose what you say, there's a kind of, if not uniformity, there's a, a, uh, that there is a sort of, uh, kind of a linear expression of freedom right through to self, to the systems that we create.

00:22:53.000 In your book, 33 Myths About The System, I liked how you took on sort of broad topics like science and fun.

00:23:01.000 and the professional class, and sort of broke down how these things sort of come together.

00:23:06.000 In a sense, faith-based systems.

00:23:09.000 You said a minute ago that anarchy breaks out, you know, wherever it gets its chance.

00:23:15.000 And I suppose you don't mean like in sort of experimental communities, you mean sort of almost naturally and organically.

00:23:21.000 Can you talk us through a few examples of it?

00:23:22.000 Because I think I'd like our viewers to appreciate the possibility that it's something that could, I mean, you know, we talk all the time About how are we going to change the world?

00:23:32.000 This channel is a lot about critiquing establishment power, establishment thinking.

00:23:37.000 Similarly, we talk about individual awakening and personal and spiritual awakening not being a subset that is ultimately about how you can operate better within the system, like how many traditionless or hybrid forms of spirituality tend to be applied.

00:23:53.000 Learn to meditate and be better at your job.

00:23:56.000 Do yoga and be more attractive to potential mates.

00:23:59.000 Spirituality that is at its core challenging to these interwoven machines.

00:24:07.000 Can you talk to us about a few examples of where we see anarchism at play and how we might in our own lives apply anarchism?

00:24:15.000 Well, the Postal Service, for example, is anarchistic.

00:24:20.000 Essentially, I mean they have bosses and they have fat cats screaming it off, but the way that the Postal Service works, no one's in charge of it.

00:24:29.000 It's self-organizing.

00:24:32.000 There have been times in history when anarchism has had some kind of independent success.

00:24:40.000 Civil War Spain?

00:24:41.000 For example, although that was anarcho-syndicalism, but that, yeah, that worked pretty well, but the supreme example Which we should all look towards for all manner of inspiration in our lives is primal, hunter-gatherer, simple human beings before civilization.

00:25:02.000 For 99% of our history, we have been anarchists.

00:25:08.000 Essentially, there has been no democracy.

00:25:11.000 Democracy is deeply un-anarchist.

00:25:13.000 Go on, what do you mean?

00:25:15.000 Democracy forces you to obey the... It's dictatorship of the 51%, basically.

00:25:22.000 It smooths people over into a manageable pace.

00:25:25.000 That's why it rose in popularity, because it's a means to organize and control people, democracy.

00:25:31.000 And it's... Something else.

00:25:37.000 I've forgotten.

00:25:37.000 Daniel Pinchbeck, who brought me to your attention, is like a mate of mine, a brilliant writer on many of these topics.

00:25:44.000 He's talked about Oscar Wilde's famous essay, The Soul of Man under Socialism.

00:25:52.000 And it's pretty clear that you're not a pro-socialism person.

00:25:55.000 I know a lot of people at home will have, as soon as they hear that word, will think about the great 20th century expressions and Maoism and Stalinism and all of those kind of expressions of post-Marxist ideology.

00:26:08.000 What Wilde talked about, it's interesting that we're talking about a romantic genius rather than an avowed philosopher or theologian.

00:26:16.000 He talked about the idea that technology could be utilized to generate leisure and freedom and an aesthetic culture.

00:26:24.000 Are you fundamentally anti-technology?

00:26:27.000 Do you think that it's a kind of utility of power?

00:26:30.000 Or do you think that we could use technology to create a more liberated and free society?

00:26:37.000 Uh, there's no way.

00:26:39.000 Why not?

00:26:40.000 What are we going to bloody well do then, Darren?

00:26:42.000 We have to go back to simple tools.

00:26:45.000 Oh, look at the pain on his face.

00:26:46.000 People are going to struggle.

00:26:48.000 I know, but that is inevitable.

00:26:51.000 It's going to happen anyway.

00:26:52.000 Well, it seems like a post-apocalyptic ideology in a sense.

00:26:56.000 Yeah, I mean, yes, that's it really.

00:26:59.000 Well, I prefer that not to happen.

00:27:03.000 I don't know, Darren.

00:27:05.000 Can't just wander face first into Armageddon safe in the knowledge that immediately afterwards we're going to all be able to eat vegetables at our own pace.

00:27:15.000 Contaminated vegetables at that.

00:27:18.000 There has to be an interventionist component to this.

00:27:20.000 There has to be a revolutionary component.

00:27:23.000 Is anarchism fundamentally anti-revolutionary because that would require a degree of organisation?

00:27:29.000 I, first of all, I don't talk for anarchist, anarchism as it is today.

00:27:33.000 I mean, I'm talking about a very, very extreme form, anarcho-primitivism, basically, what I call primalism.

00:27:41.000 So there might be anarchists listening to this just frothing at the mouth.

00:27:45.000 But as far as I'm concerned, technology itself is a dominating force in our lives and that it's not neutral.

00:27:53.000 It's connected with a vast system that is subordinating.

00:27:57.000 You know, if I, when I start criticizing technology, people often say, oh, you've got a smart, well, I don't actually have a smart, but you've got a phone.

00:28:03.000 What did you write that would, you know, of course I use individual items of technology because I live in this crummy world that forces me to.

00:28:12.000 The system as a whole, the massive interlocking technological system It's not neutral.

00:28:19.000 It reduces us to machines and it forces a bureaucratic management system that also coerces and subordinates.

00:28:28.000 But that doesn't mean that imagination couldn't be applied to these technologies and ideals.

00:28:35.000 Certainly, I recognize the value of what you're saying and honoring our nature, but I also feel that we have to start from where we are, that there are such things as electoral democracy that have to be overcome.

00:28:50.000 And I see that there's a sort of, in a sense, a kind of...

00:28:53.000 Acceptance that we may be carried by a cosmic flow, by where we are, a kind of Gnosticism, a kind of ease.

00:28:59.000 But me, I've always been a bit more of a conflagratory, let's get stuck in there and bring about a revolution type.

00:29:05.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:06.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 I'm all for wanton destruction.

00:29:12.000 Wanton?

00:29:13.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 Oh, man.

00:29:14.000 Darren, thank you very much.

00:29:15.000 I mean, you've taken us on an incredible journey to anarcho-primitivism, a rare And esoteric sect within anarchism.

00:29:22.000 I suppose what I mostly take from this is that when we are told that the system is the way it is, nothing can change, it's fundamentally benign, and the best that we can hope for is reform and incremental improvement, when you listen to ideas around anarchism, it bears that, it exposes that as fundamentally untrue.

00:29:41.000 Hey, look at this, a quote from Russell Brand on the back, as well as Irving Welch, and Terry Gilliam, Chris Morris, Alan de Botton.

00:29:47.000 Check out all of Darren Allen's work and follow him on Substack, where he writes and where I read many of his essays.

00:29:55.000 And sometimes in the comments, I say, well, you got a bit too far there, Darren.

00:29:58.000 Thank you very much for joining us, mate.

00:30:00.000 That's a fantastic contribution.

00:30:02.000 And now, as if to trivialise the entirety of Darren Allen's contribution and life's work, here is a singing sex robot mouth that makes you feel that perhaps technology is fundamentally bad.

00:30:15.000 How do you like the system now, guys?

00:30:38.000 How do you like your utopia now? 1.00

00:30:40.000 Singing vile sex. 0.99

00:30:42.000 But I can't look at that and listen to that without feeling a bit of a sense of disease and perhaps longing for a narco-primitiveism. 0.98

00:30:49.000 Maybe he's got a point.

00:30:49.000 Well, exactly.

00:30:50.000 Would we be happier, gal, were we to just live in harmony with the system? 0.98

00:30:54.000 Or would we be happier if we were to get ourselves a singing... What can only be described as a sex mouth? 0.98

00:31:00.000 Have you got to the bit... Can we play the clip a little further? 0.60

00:31:02.000 Because I want to see the bit where it starts, like, fluctuating its esophagus.

00:31:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:07.000 Yeah, it does that, man.

00:31:08.000 There's a bit... Look at that!

00:31:09.000 That's not good.

00:31:10.000 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, that's in our minds now.

00:31:18.000 That's in our minds forever.

00:31:21.000 Is the tone troubling you?

00:31:23.000 Is that what you don't like?

00:31:24.000 Yeah, it is that.

00:31:25.000 It's all of it, isn't it?

00:31:26.000 It's just the whole package.

00:31:27.000 Yeah, the whole thing's pretty disturbing.

00:31:30.000 You know how Joe Biden triumphantly emerged in Poland to celebrate one year of wanton destruction and the march towards Armageddon? 0.99

00:31:41.000 Do you think that Biden's walk to that runway would have been any more bearable if backed by a good old sexy robot mouth?

00:31:49.000 Let's find out.

00:31:56.000 I actually think that's better.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, I think it's more commensurate.

00:32:00.000 It's more of a soundtrack to a potential Armageddon because that's probably the only sounds that will be existing after that.

00:32:07.000 When Orwell offers us the vision of the future that can be reduced to a boot stamping on a human face, I think I visited a future as a robot mouth singing a terrifying sort of just multi-tonal song that you can't extract from the To sex industry objects that have already emerged.

00:32:27.000 I'm thinking in particular of the fleshlight, which I've never, you know, I'm going to say this, I've never used one of those things, but I've seen them and I've seen them and I don't like them, gal.

00:32:39.000 Do they function as a torch as well?

00:32:42.000 I don't know if it's a two-in-one thing.

00:32:43.000 I think it's more like, so you're not embarrassed.

00:32:47.000 Oh, you've just got that.

00:32:49.000 Oh dear.

00:32:49.000 Oh, his torch isn't working.

00:32:51.000 I better change the batteries.

00:32:58.000 It also sounds like Aphex Twin's song.

00:33:01.000 I can't remember which one.

00:33:02.000 Anyway, it's not just the orifice that is being emulated by our AI overlords.

00:33:10.000 There are now sperm extractors that help patients overcome embarrassment.

00:33:14.000 Obviously, only the embarrassment.

00:33:15.000 Look, a Chinese company says its automatic sperm extractor is helping clients collect semen from donors reluctant to masturbate in a hospital setting.

00:33:24.000 No, this isn't right.

00:33:26.000 Not in this setting.

00:33:27.000 Why have they gone in the first place?

00:33:30.000 Because the whole point is, if you're going to donate sperm... Hello, I'm here to donate some sperm.

00:33:35.000 Well, unless you're going to just spontaneously ejaculate, you recognise what this is going to involve. 0.86

00:33:40.000 You mean use my hand that I eat with? 0.95

00:33:43.000 In this setting?

00:33:44.000 A hospital where people come to die and take potentially unnecessary medicines that could kill them?

00:33:51.000 I won't do it! 0.99

00:33:52.000 Well sir, it's your lucky day because we've invented this horrifying dystopian fuckhole. 0.99

00:34:02.000 This unusual machine aims to take the embarrassment out of sperm donation. 0.98

00:34:06.000 I don't think that takes the embarrassment out of it at all.

00:34:09.000 What that does is it makes it eerie, uncanny and godless.

00:34:14.000 Because the only embarrassment would be if you're masturbating in a hospital setting in a room and someone interrupts you. 0.71

00:34:20.000 That's the only real embarrassment.

00:34:21.000 But if someone interrupts you when you're using this...

00:34:24.000 Life's over.

00:34:25.000 It's bad enough.

00:34:27.000 You're in a hospital setting.

00:34:28.000 You're in a sperm donor's clinic.

00:34:30.000 Anyway, people can't go, what the hell are you doing? 0.73

00:34:35.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:34:35.000 You pervert! 1.00

00:34:36.000 I can't help myself. 1.00

00:34:38.000 We're here to donate sperm.

00:34:39.000 And actually thinking about it, I did have a sperm test once, I now remember. 1.00

00:34:43.000 And you do have to masturbate into a cup. 0.99

00:34:46.000 Were you sure you have to? 0.99

00:34:47.000 Well, I say sperm test centre, I meant to say cafe. 0.98

00:34:55.000 If you're standing having that thing sort of at your midriff, pulsating at your midriff. 0.98

00:35:02.000 Oh, sorry, sir. 0.96

00:35:03.000 Everything OK?

00:35:04.000 Oh, yes.

00:35:06.000 I see this one's occupied.

00:35:08.000 I'm talking about the room.

00:35:10.000 I'm going to close that door again, sir.

00:35:12.000 Just carry on.

00:35:13.000 You won't see me, right?

00:35:15.000 You might hear a couple of...

00:35:18.000 I'll go... well, I've finished.

00:35:25.000 Arrgh! 0.98

00:35:33.000 Don't have the name Ding Weijiang if what you're going to go on to do is invent a false 0.98

00:35:38.000 cum sucker, because people are good at it. 0.95

00:35:41.000 It was prophesied! 0.99

00:35:43.000 Ding Weijiang, this was your destiny, sir. 0.97

00:35:46.000 Look at him panting, he's proud of it.

00:35:46.000 I know, I know.

00:35:47.000 Of course he is.

00:35:49.000 Wouldn't you have to ask Ding Weijiang, mate, if you used it?

00:35:53.000 Well, of course he has.

00:35:54.000 That's the thing, you wouldn't just let it loose on everyone, would you, if you hadn't tested it yourself?

00:36:00.000 Because normally with a technological advancement like that, you say, we're going to test it on monkeys.

00:36:03.000 Don't worry, I'll handle that process myself.

00:36:06.000 I've got a monkey at home.

00:36:07.000 Really?

00:36:08.000 Oh yes, loads of them actually.

00:36:10.000 I say at home, I mean in my holiday home in Madrid.

00:36:15.000 Why did you move to Madrid again?

00:36:16.000 Mind your own business!

00:36:18.000 And for God's sake, let me experiment on my machine!

00:36:21.000 I'm a scientist!

00:36:23.000 and technology saying, I'm a scientist! Science! I'm a genius!

00:36:23.000 Science!

00:36:30.000 Hospitals mostly use masturbation as their collection method without providing a venue or equipment. 0.94

00:36:37.000 What do you mean mostly? 0.57

00:36:38.000 Of course they do!

00:36:39.000 What else are they going to do?

00:36:40.000 It's mostly that.

00:36:41.000 Well, I've just done a heart operation on your nan.

00:36:45.000 I've got half an hour and I see that you're sat there.

00:36:48.000 Well, I have a steady hand, my man.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, entirely surely.

00:36:52.000 Do you think that the hospital or science unit, the other scientists kind of mock him?

00:37:00.000 Within the community, he cannot be a highly respected one.

00:37:04.000 What did you do today?

00:37:05.000 I did put like a stent in someone's heart.

00:37:08.000 I removed the tumour from someone's brain.

00:37:08.000 And what about you?

00:37:10.000 And what about you? 1.00

00:37:11.000 I sucked a bunch of spunk out of a bloke using my little fuckbot. 1.00

00:37:16.000 Who was that bloke? 1.00

00:37:17.000 It was me, actually.

00:37:18.000 I can't remember his name now.

00:37:19.000 Ding Wang something.

00:37:21.000 Very brilliant man. 0.99

00:37:22.000 Looking forward to that sperm.

00:37:24.000 I think we're going to help a lot of people. 0.81

00:37:27.000 Also, it's delicious.

00:37:28.000 Why did you...?

00:37:29.000 Because it needed... We're on wrong...

00:37:33.000 If I can't do a little sippy smugly... Alright, I'll title it to you.

00:37:37.000 Maybe if there isn't a Klaus Schwab talks like that, it's because he tastes the other end.

00:37:43.000 Ding wang, why don't you?

00:37:45.000 We've gone too far now.

00:37:47.000 I know, it's because I got excited.

00:37:49.000 I'm on my perfect topic.

00:37:51.000 It's robots. 0.99

00:37:52.000 It's a sex robot. 0.86

00:37:54.000 We should have started with this.

00:37:55.000 Of course we should have done.

00:37:56.000 This is all we should do.

00:37:57.000 We're here trying to understand Darren Allen's anarcho-primitivism.

00:38:01.000 We're experts in this.

00:38:05.000 We're the absolute elite when it comes to this thing.

00:38:07.000 We're the Klaus Schwab of spunk-up machines.

00:38:11.000 This makes collecting sperm on the spot very difficult.

00:38:14.000 In order to meet clinical demands, we invented this automatic sperm extractor, which is also user-friendly.

00:38:23.000 Bit too friendly.

00:38:24.000 That is amazing. 0.99

00:38:27.000 The machine is equipped with a massage pipe that resembles a vagina. 1.00

00:38:30.000 Well, I've got news for you, mate. 0.98

00:38:33.000 Like, some interesting colour choices.

00:38:35.000 How big of a problem was this?

00:38:36.000 That's my thing.

00:38:37.000 It's like, what was the data and statistics on the amount of people that left the hospital without having donated sperm?

00:38:46.000 I just can't imagine that many people who, their whole thing was, I'm going to this, what are you doing today?

00:38:51.000 I'm going to donate sperm and then return without having done it.

00:38:54.000 Like, I just can't.

00:38:55.000 I think he's fixing a problem that didn't exist.

00:38:57.000 You would say that.

00:38:58.000 Necessity is the mother of invention.

00:39:02.000 Oh, no.

00:39:03.000 Wait, come back! 1.00

00:39:04.000 Another disappointed wanker. 0.99

00:39:08.000 No, no, not in this setting. 1.00

00:39:10.000 Not on your Nelly. 1.00

00:39:11.000 But the day you invent some sort of terrifying pink rimmed sex orifice, then I'm your man. 1.00

00:39:18.000 Ding Wang. 0.98

00:39:19.000 I've got to get his name right because I think there is potentially racism.

00:39:21.000 Well, yes, of course.

00:39:22.000 You're being reductive around a sort of a non-European sounding name.

00:39:26.000 I'm trying to remember it.

00:39:26.000 But I don't mean it like that.

00:39:28.000 He's a very naughty boy. 0.99

00:39:31.000 You're a very naughty boy. 0.97

00:39:32.000 You shouldn't have made that machine.

00:39:34.000 And I'm beginning to wonder how often the amount of thinking he's had to go into it.

00:39:40.000 He's had to think his way through numerous things.

00:39:41.000 He's spent years doing that.

00:39:43.000 He hasn't just knocked it up in a weekend, has he?

00:39:44.000 No, that's not Tracy Island on Blue Peter.

00:39:47.000 That's his life's work.

00:39:49.000 That's someone's life's work.

00:39:52.000 Will you please come make love to me?

00:39:55.000 I'm busy!

00:39:55.000 Doing what?

00:39:56.000 My business!

00:39:58.000 I'm not going down there. 0.98

00:39:59.000 I can't have sex in that setting. 0.99

00:40:01.000 I'm upstairs with my robot. 1.00

00:40:03.000 My delicious sex robot. 0.99

00:40:05.000 Trust the science! 0.97

00:40:07.000 Fall out of the science!

00:40:09.000 Its height is adjustable, while its speed, force and temperature can be varied.

00:40:14.000 It is a satellite that simulates the human body.

00:40:17.000 Its speed is adjustable, while its speed, force and temperature can be varied.

00:40:21.000 Yeah, right.

00:40:22.000 To reduce it to that.

00:40:25.000 That's all we are.

00:40:27.000 It makes you think that maybe like once they create that, you know, the metaverse and everything, they just strap that to your head.

00:40:32.000 Strap that to your wings.

00:40:32.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 That's right.

00:40:34.000 What's a temperature?

00:40:35.000 How high do you want that temperature?

00:40:39.000 You don't have to leave a pattern. 1.00

00:40:41.000 You don't have to look down at your own penis and see Christ's face there. 1.00

00:40:44.000 Not again. 1.00

00:40:45.000 Not after last time I see him staring up.

00:40:48.000 We're meant to be trying to awaken and bring about global change.

00:40:48.000 What are you doing?

00:40:52.000 Just give me a minute. 0.99

00:40:53.000 I can't ejaculate. 0.95

00:40:54.000 Not in this setting. 0.99

00:40:56.000 It simulates a female organ and replicates the physical movements of sexual intercourse 0.99

00:41:01.000 by moving back and forth.

00:41:03.000 It's able to, by a huge extent, provide comprehensive coverage.

00:41:07.000 Have you considered making one with another hole, possibly?

00:41:11.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:41:12.000 ... pressure.

00:41:14.000 This story's not bringing out the best in me.

00:41:15.000 It's not, is it?

00:41:16.000 It's bringing out... a lot of people like it.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, they're saying, like, he's got his hands behind his back.

00:41:18.000 Do they?

00:41:21.000 He's done a good job of sexism.

00:41:24.000 Yeah, this is desacralising, look at this, Ash Ella, this is desacralising a very human soul.

00:41:28.000 Yeah, sex is sacred. 0.87

00:41:30.000 Sex is a union transcendent of apparent separateness. And also it's funny what Gareth said I think

00:41:37.000 that how many people were walking out of that hospital waving their hands oh no no way that it

00:41:42.000 became I bet that's 60 grand. Oh yeah yeah.

00:41:46.000 Do you reckon? Oh yeah. Should we club together get one?

00:41:49.000 The machine has also proved useful for urological patients at Shanghai Pudong

00:41:57.000 Hospital who are unable to produce sperm without a great deal of help. Dr Li seemingly

00:42:02.000 Who's unable to break through sperm without a great deal of help?

00:42:06.000 I need barely any!

00:42:07.000 I've been making mine on my own since I was a wee lad!

00:42:11.000 ...says it's an efficient way to maximise the... Also, when they're sitting up, what made them think we need a shot from underneath?

00:42:18.000 You know, that's the machine.

00:42:18.000 No.

00:42:19.000 They're objectifying the sex machine. 1.00

00:42:21.000 What are you going to do?

00:42:22.000 Put a little pair of stilettos on it in a minute? 1.00

00:42:25.000 ...mount and quality of sperm collected, but says there's still room for improvement. 0.99

00:42:32.000 This device is far more efficient than masturbation. 0.79

00:42:36.000 And I can speak to that from personal experience. 0.96

00:42:39.000 Before you came in here... Oops, sorry.

00:42:42.000 But there are still some weaknesses.

00:42:44.000 For instance, it cannot exactly simulate the temperature and feel of a female organ.

00:42:49.000 Also, it's morally wrong!

00:42:52.000 Back to the lab!

00:42:53.000 Another five years!

00:42:55.000 Back to the attic! 0.77

00:42:57.000 Please come down here!

00:42:59.000 I love you!

00:43:00.000 I'm not coming down there to you.

00:43:02.000 Not in this setting.

00:43:03.000 Right, well, hey, maybe we'll cover the rest of this in our special show behind the show, Stay Connected, which me and Gareth make on a weekly basis for the members of our community.

00:43:13.000 And also, I read out your comments much more often.

00:43:16.000 Belly heart, give him a monkey mind. 1.00

00:43:18.000 Probably got thousands of dollars a grant for that.

00:43:21.000 They always measure the outcome data.

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00:44:19.000 My pre-sale of my stand-up special goes live next week.

00:44:22.000 If you're a member on Locals, you'll get it for nothing, just as part of your yearly package, but if you want to buy it as a one-off, there'll be some information published soon about how you can do that.

00:44:31.000 And if you want to come see me live and you're in the United States, on March the 2nd, I'm going to be in Los Angeles at the Vermont Theatre.

00:44:37.000 On March the 6th, I'm going to be at the Clearwater Theatre in Bilheimer.

00:44:41.000 No, I'm going to be in Clearwater at the Capitol Theatre, Bilheimer. 1.00

00:44:44.000 I don't know.

00:44:45.000 Just click on the link.

00:44:45.000 Go rush it, Brandon.

00:44:46.000 You'll get all the information there.

00:44:48.000 See you in a couple of weeks.

00:44:49.000 Not for more of the same, but for... You could do this bit.

00:44:52.000 More the different?

00:44:53.000 That's what I generally say.

00:44:54.000 Until then, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - February 23, 2023

Darren Allen (We Are Living In a Machine!)

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