Stay Free - Russel Brand - Dave DeCamp (Geopolitics of US-China)

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00:00:15.000 On the show today, we're talking about balloons versus missiles.

00:00:17.000 Who will win?

00:00:18.000 Will it be balloons or will it be missiles is of course the story that there are Chinese spy balloons being spotted over the States.

00:00:24.000 We're talking about Shell's record profits that oddly have occurred during an energy crisis.

00:00:30.000 There's this curious pattern where crisis seems to create profit.

00:00:34.000 When we click over to being exclusively on Rumble, we'll be talking about Ukrainian corruption and, in particular, how one recently removed oligarchs got peculiar ties with everyone's favourite laptop DJ.

00:00:46.000 It's Hunter Biden, everyone.

00:00:48.000 Burisma rhymes with charisma.

00:00:50.000 It's an energy company in Ukraine.

00:00:53.000 That has recently been revealed to have oligarchical ties.

00:00:56.000 Zelensky's booing people out of government, this dude's one of them.

00:00:59.000 He's got ties to Hunter Biden, that's the sort of thing.

00:01:01.000 Oh no, we're not going to tell you too much about that, you might have, I don't know.

00:01:03.000 Stay with us if you're watching this on YouTube, but do click over at Rumble when you can.

00:01:07.000 On the show as well is our guest Dave DeCamp, he's News Editor at AntiWar.com.

00:01:12.000 He's going to be talking to us about Ukraine potentially being used to pilot CBDC schemes and about the missile stuff and all Also, also, the West, in particular the United States, and I don't mean to offend you if you are American, we love you and we love your country, but your government and the set of corporate interests that it represents are starting to provoke China into a potential global conflict. 0.99

00:01:39.000 Is the first silo in this potential geopolitical nightmare come in the unlikely form of that friendliest of objects, a lovable, silly old, soppy old, stupid balloon? 0.98

00:01:52.000 Let's have a look at how the mainstream media reported this story. 1.00

00:01:59.000 It's the balloon making headlines.

00:02:01.000 It's from China, and it's now floating over U.S.

00:02:04.000 airspace.

00:02:05.000 The Pentagon says it's a spying mission flying directly over MISO silos in Montana, and that's led to calls to shoot it out of the sky.

00:02:13.000 In a way, this bit of news is quite infantilizing.

00:02:16.000 The phrase, he spotted the balloon, and this sort of glum little character there.

00:02:21.000 And also, it's the balloon that changed the world!

00:02:24.000 Just like the sort of tone of it.

00:02:26.000 She starts it with, it's the balloon making headlines, like that's a regular thing.

00:02:29.000 Like, oh, now to our regular feature, the balloon making headlines.

00:02:33.000 This week's balloon, it's one outside of a car showroom.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, like it's not a normal story.

00:02:39.000 Also, as well, I think there's a bit of a tendency around this story.

00:02:42.000 Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments if you think this.

00:02:44.000 They're kind of personifying the balloon as if it's an autonomous, like... Naughty balloon.

00:02:48.000 I've come over here to help me a little bit.

00:02:53.000 Also, balloons are old school news, aren't they?

00:02:57.000 Balloons, like, you know, it's like an anomalous tale when something peculiar happens.

00:03:02.000 Have a look at this US... It's the war version of A Cat Up A Tree, isn't it?

00:03:06.000 Yeah, it's a jolly geopolitical anomaly.

00:03:11.000 This general, though, he's... he don't like the balloon at all.

00:03:16.000 The balloon has violated U.S.

00:03:18.000 airspace and international law, which is unacceptable.

00:03:22.000 The balloon came around my house and looked at me strange and touched me under the table.

00:03:25.000 I don't like the balloon.

00:03:26.000 It's floating around up there in the sky.

00:03:29.000 This American congressperson, he's coming in pretty hard.

00:03:33.000 Check him.

00:03:34.000 One Montana Republican congressman had three words of advice.

00:03:38.000 Shoot it down.

00:03:40.000 But the idea that Americans are performing according to stereotypes here, I think is a little unfair.

00:03:48.000 Don't you, Gareth, as a producer and show associate?

00:03:50.000 I love that it's advice.

00:03:52.000 But it's not advice, is it? 0.99

00:03:53.000 Shoot it! 1.00

00:03:55.000 That's not advice in any other context. 1.00

00:03:58.000 Shoot it down.

00:03:58.000 That's a command.

00:04:00.000 It's a statement of military intent, but also... It did work.

00:04:05.000 Yeah, it's brilliant.

00:04:06.000 You shouldn't float a balloon over... It's provocative.

00:04:09.000 I mean, if it was happening to you as an individual, if a balloon just sort of hovered above you, like in a Peanuts cartoon, Cloud, whatever, you wouldn't like it.

00:04:17.000 It's undermining.

00:04:18.000 What about those stories where, like, a kid will let a balloon go and then it ends up in another country and then someone in...

00:04:24.000 I love that story.

00:04:25.000 Everyone loves that story.

00:04:26.000 That's a joyful story, except ecologically.

00:04:28.000 What about though, haven't you ever on a birthday, as I once did, tied a balloon to you and then had that balloon float around a part of you on your birthday to celebrate you?

00:04:36.000 No problem there, but it's not spying on you.

00:04:38.000 But if someone said to you that balloon's got your worst interests at heart.

00:04:42.000 How do we know the balloon just didn't float off of its own accord?

00:04:45.000 Like it was a birthday balloon.

00:04:46.000 Well, we certainly don't know what happened to the balloon because it was shot down in a real Yahoo, Yippie, Aye, Aye fashion that I'm afraid does showcase some aspects of American culture that American detractors would use to attack America.

00:04:58.000 It was like, I've shot that son of a gun straight out of the sky!

00:05:01.000 It's shiny! 0.98

00:05:02.000 Four more years!

00:05:04.000 Woo-hoo! 1.00

00:05:04.000 USA! 1.00

00:05:05.000 Look at this.

00:05:06.000 Here we go, baby!

00:05:07.000 Get it!

00:05:08.000 Yeah!

00:05:09.000 Yeah!

00:05:10.000 Get it!

00:05:11.000 Move! 0.97

00:05:12.000 Get it!

00:05:13.000 Oh, man!

00:05:14.000 Yeah!

00:05:15.000 Yeah!

00:05:16.000 Woo! 0.99

00:05:17.000 Woo! 0.99

00:05:18.000 So, no, it's quite cool.

00:05:20.000 Yes!

00:05:20.000 It is nice.

00:05:21.000 Satisfying to shoot something out of the air like that.

00:05:23.000 Perfect little symbol of Chinese aggression, isn't it? 1.00

00:05:26.000 Yeah, you send up a balloon, we send up a missile. 0.95

00:05:29.000 I also feel like it's like when you see a sperm egg.

00:05:33.000 Oh yeah, sure.

00:05:35.000 You know, maybe in a microscopic video of that kind of thing.

00:05:37.000 At school.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, at school.

00:05:40.000 You know when they show you them at school and you've got to be embarrassed when they show you it. 0.97

00:05:45.000 Bloody Chinese spying on us in utero. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Have a look at the journey of the balloon. 0.97

00:05:50.000 The balloon's journey across the world has been charted.

00:05:54.000 There it went from Alaska via Canada.

00:05:55.000 No one spotted it in Alaska, no one cared about that.

00:05:57.000 Canada.

00:05:58.000 Love the balloon.

00:05:59.000 Canada they were focusing on the, oh there it goes, like a littlest oboe.

00:06:02.000 They enjoyed just watching it go by.

00:06:04.000 Once it got to Montana though, hey, you better watch out.

00:06:07.000 That's where things got pretty serious for the balloon.

00:06:10.000 But it has been observed that the balloon's journey across the United States, the saucy, spying little voyeur that it is, little full of hot air, is as nothing, according to John Pilger, the great English journalist, compared to an...

00:06:24.000 arc of military bases being built around China. This is likely one of those stories where

00:06:30.000 we're told, "Oh, China spying on us." But look at the encroachment on Chinese territory 0.94

00:06:36.000 that this arc of military bases represents. Pilger's tweet says, "Congratulations to US

00:06:41.000 sharpshooters who after several attempts," that's very dry, very Pilger, to sort of criticize

00:06:46.000 their attempt to get it in one shot, not a very wild bunch, "shot down a Chinese balloon

00:06:51.000 straight near the land of the free." Oh, God, he's actually quite anti-American, isn't he?

00:06:55.000 Below is a map of some of the 400 US...

00:06:57.000 bases that surround China, spying, probing, several with nuclear arms.

00:07:02.000 describes the bases as a noose.

00:07:02.000 The U.S.

00:07:04.000 Well, so there you go.

00:07:05.000 One of the things we're talking about over the course of this week's shows is the potential escalation of tension between the U.S.

00:07:13.000 and China and how that maps onto the current proxy war, which is what we're kind of forced to call it these days, between America and Russia via Ukraine.

00:07:24.000 This is a story, by the way, about those arcs.

00:07:25.000 If you want to look, the US has secured access to four additional military bases.

00:07:29.000 Four more bases! 0.94

00:07:30.000 Four more bases! 0.94

00:07:32.000 But before we get into this story about the increase in regional tensions and how that plays into geopolitical narratives and increased global tension in the pursuit of a unipolar I want to tag a few more instances around this conflict in Ukraine.

00:07:47.000 The Ukraine are replacing the defence minister in their first major reshuffle since the invasion.

00:07:51.000 Some people are saying that Zelensky's clearing out his closet, Eminem style.

00:07:55.000 Clearing out some Ukrainian ministers that are corrupt and stuff and oligarchical. 0.68

00:07:59.000 But the first dude that's getting replaced in this reshuffle... He was my favourite.

00:08:04.000 He's the best one!

00:08:05.000 I love this one, he's the one that kept going, Oleski Reznikov, he's the one that kept, if you don't know him, he's the one that kept going on Telegram, well we're de facto members of NATO and we spill our blood and the Americans are backing us.

00:08:15.000 He kept going on the TV making the fatal error of accurately describing what's going on.

00:08:21.000 In that conflict.

00:08:22.000 Of course none of this is to say that Russia's invasion isn't egregious or criminal or that Putin isn't a tyrant.

00:08:27.000 Simply that we all have access to the complexity of facts that may not necessarily conform to mainstream media narratives and the unipolar agenda of the globalist state.

00:08:36.000 And this is a story that sort of helps us to understand that in real time.

00:08:39.000 Shall we check out Oreshnikov?

00:08:40.000 He's been booted out and this is him before in his old more carefree days at the ministry shouting off at the mouth about the way that Ukraine's basically a NATO.

00:08:50.000 Have a look.

00:08:50.000 Ukraine as country and the armed forces of Ukraine or our sector of security and defense

00:09:00.000 became the member of NATO de facto.

00:09:05.000 Not de jure, but de facto.

00:09:08.000 So remember, like, there were times where Biden has gone on your TV set and said, no, no, no, we can't have Ukraine join NATO.

00:09:15.000 That will be World War Three.

00:09:17.000 We can't arm Ukraine. 0.97

00:09:18.000 That will be World War Three.

00:09:19.000 And incrementally, these various pledges and oaths are being broken.

00:09:27.000 In a minute we're going to talk about Gareth, the oligarch who owned Burisma and his connection to a certain little laptop yielding son whose laptop tends not to make it onto certain social media sites.

00:09:39.000 The naughtiest little laptop in the West.

00:09:42.000 Delaware's sauciest laptop, the laptop of Hunter Biden.

00:09:46.000 And what's weird about this story is like, when you hear like, oh, the oligarch who owned Burisma is getting shut down, you think, I've heard of that before, Burisma.

00:09:55.000 Why do I even know about Ukrainian energy companies and stuff?

00:09:59.000 And you think, oh, that's why, because it cropped up on that laptop that was meant to be Russian disinformation.

00:10:06.000 So we're gonna be talking about that.

00:10:08.000 In a bit more depth, we can't take the risk of talking about that on YouTube.

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00:10:44.000 So click over from YouTube and you can say, well, I'm going to take my g-lay off.

00:10:47.000 That's how agitated I am.

00:10:48.000 I'm getting ready for some truth.

00:10:49.000 I've seen what's under there.

00:10:50.000 It ain't pleasant!

00:10:52.000 It ain't pretty!

00:10:53.000 What's on here?

00:10:55.000 What's on Hunter Barden's laptop, mate?

00:10:58.000 Here, why don't you lift that lid on?

00:11:00.000 Oh, that's going to take you to another level.

00:11:01.000 Is that annoyed you that I've done that one?

00:11:03.000 If I'm watching this and I'm seriously into the news, I'm thinking, I like Glenn Greenwald, maybe I like, who's the lady that's real good?

00:11:03.000 A little bit.

00:11:11.000 Kim Iverson.

00:11:12.000 Kim Iverson, yeah.

00:11:13.000 Then you think, alright, I'll give this guy a chance.

00:11:16.000 What's he doing that for?

00:11:17.000 Talking about your undercarriage.

00:11:18.000 Talking about his undercarriage?

00:11:19.000 That's not even a word I want to hear ever.

00:11:22.000 I tolerated the frivolity around the balloon.

00:11:25.000 It was harmless fun.

00:11:26.000 Balloons are fun.

00:11:29.000 Who don't love a balloon? 0.83

00:11:30.000 Stick around though, we've got some great facts.

00:11:32.000 Because on the other side of this we're going to be talking to Dave DeCamp about these kind of geopolitical stories in a sensible, responsible way.

00:11:40.000 We've got an amazing story for you about how Ukraine is being used not only to pilot missiles, test them for potential future conflicts, how there are bloody biolabs and... Allegedly. 1.00

00:11:53.000 Allegedly, that's allegedly, that's alleged that.

00:11:56.000 It's probably that defence minister who said that.

00:11:58.000 Of course we have!

00:11:59.000 You're fired!

00:12:00.000 Get out of here! 0.99

00:12:01.000 And how they're testing CBDCs.

00:12:03.000 Digital currencies and a new surveillance state can be piloted.

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00:12:20.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

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00:12:49.000 We've got a fantastic guest joining us now.

00:12:51.000 It's Dave DeCamp.

00:12:52.000 He's Dave DeCamp.

00:12:53.000 He's editor, news editor at AntiWar.com, which is a very important resource actually for our channel

00:12:59.000 when we're doing our investigative journalism.

00:13:01.000 Thanks for joining us, Dave.

00:13:04.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:13:04.000 Thanks, Russell.

00:13:05.000 Mate, you said that you were interested in the story that former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said that the US blocked his efforts of mediating peace between Russia and Ukraine.

00:13:16.000 It's a story you reported on that hasn't been picked up much.

00:13:19.000 Why is that?

00:13:20.000 Do you think that there was a potential peace that has been blocked and what would be the reasons for that, mate?

00:13:25.000 Yeah, so this is a pretty huge story.

00:13:27.000 So Naftali Bennett, he was the Prime Minister of Israel when war first broke out, when Russia first invaded, and he took his role to be a mediator.

00:13:38.000 And he actually went and visited Putin on March 4th, so that's less than a week after, you know, the invasion and things really, you know, were heating up.

00:13:47.000 And in this interview that he just posted on his YouTube channel over the weekend, he really detailed his mediation efforts.

00:13:55.000 And he said he met with Putin on March 4th.

00:13:58.000 He called Zelensky right away.

00:14:00.000 He was talking to them back and forth.

00:14:02.000 And he said he coordinated the entire thing with the US, the UK, the German, and the French.

00:14:09.000 And he said there was real will on both Putin's side and Zelensky's side to reach a ceasefire.

00:14:14.000 He said he got major concessions out of them.

00:14:16.000 Putin dropped his demand of the denazification of Ukraine, which he defined as removing basically regime change, removing Zelensky.

00:14:24.000 And he said Putin also dropped the demand of demilitarization.

00:14:28.000 On Zelensky's side, he said that he renounced trying to join NATO, which this is Bennett, you know, former Israeli prime minister, explained was the reason for the Russian invasion was how close Ukraine was to NATO.

00:14:41.000 But Bennett said again, he coordinated this with all these Western countries, and he told the interviewer that there was a decision among the Western countries that they wanted to keep striking Putin, how he put it.

00:14:53.000 This is translation from Hebrew.

00:14:56.000 And he said he was asked, did they block the talks?

00:14:58.000 And he said, yes, they blocked my efforts.

00:15:01.000 And there was that wasn't the last attempt at peace between Russia and Ukraine.

00:15:05.000 Again, this is March 2022.

00:15:07.000 Fast forward a few weeks, Russian and Ukrainian officials met in Istanbul and they came close to a deal, according to a lot of reports.

00:15:16.000 And then a few weeks later, Boris Johnson visited Kiev.

00:15:19.000 And according to his own office, he urged Zelensky not to negotiate.

00:15:25.000 Reporting in Ukrainian media, Ukrainska Pravda said that he said, even if you're ready to sign a deal with Putin, we are not.

00:15:31.000 And he was speaking for the collective West.

00:15:34.000 So they stopped this war.

00:15:36.000 Sorry, they stopped the negotiations.

00:15:38.000 They wanted to continue the war. 0.74

00:15:39.000 Turkey, the host of those Istanbul talks, said that they thought the war was going to end, but some of their NATO partners wanted to continue the war to weaken Russia.

00:15:49.000 And then just a few days later, again, this is April 2022, Lloyd Austin, the Secretary of Defense, former Raytheon board member, came out and said, we want to weaken Russia in Ukraine.

00:16:00.000 So it's just more evidence that the U.S.

00:16:02.000 and its allies blocked negotiations at the beginning of the war and wanted this thing to continue.

00:16:08.000 Even if we don't become ensnared in the broader morality of inciting war when peace is available, we surely have to address the way that the media has reported on this conflict, denying most people access to the details that you just inventoried.

00:16:31.000 We've focused on several fascinating aspects of this story, notably the profiteering of the military-industrial complex and more recently BlackRock's investment in the reconstruction of Ukraine.

00:16:46.000 If you could just talk a little about that for a moment, Dave, then we'll move on to an even broader geopolitical narrative that involves unipolar incentives and ongoing American hegemony and the likely forthcoming conflicts between the United States and China, especially if they keep sending those terrifying balloons.

00:17:08.000 But first, can we talk about their reconstruction and the investment opportunities that that's offering American corporations in particular?

00:17:16.000 Yeah, sure.

00:17:17.000 So the clear winner right now of continuing this war to weaken Russia is Raytheon, Boeing, the weapons makers, the American military-industrial complex, the $100 billion.

00:17:29.000 Much of that is going to them.

00:17:31.000 European countries are sending their old Eastern Europe, former Soviet republics, They're getting rid of their old Russian-made weapons, buying some new shiny American weapons.

00:17:31.000 And it's not just that.

00:17:41.000 They're really making a killing.

00:17:42.000 But as you have been covering a lot, the reconstruction of Ukraine is going to have a huge price tag.

00:17:49.000 The World Bank estimated in December that it would cost between $500 and $600 billion to reconstruct Ukraine.

00:17:56.000 Zelensky put it at $750 billion.

00:17:58.000 That was a few months back.

00:17:59.000 As the war goes on, more people are being killed.

00:18:02.000 The country is being destroyed.

00:18:04.000 That price tag is going to go up.

00:18:06.000 And that's where you see these companies like BlackRock.

00:18:08.000 They're going to get in on this reconstruction, and they're going to be able to create all this new infrastructure, because Russia has been destroying the infrastructure starting in October as the war has continued.

00:18:18.000 It's just going to get worse and worse for the people of Ukraine.

00:18:21.000 And that $600 billion that it's going to cost, or $750 billion, might even get up to a trillion.

00:18:27.000 That money is going to be loaned.

00:18:28.000 There's going to be interest payments.

00:18:30.000 There's going to be grants from the governments that are backed by central banks so they can just print money.

00:18:35.000 I mean, you know, it almost makes the $100 billion seem small, the amount that they're going to be able to make off of Ukraine's reconstruction.

00:18:44.000 And unfortunately for the people of Ukraine, you know, they're the ones that are suffering right now, dealing with rolling blackouts and not being able to heat their homes, you know, in the harsh Ukrainian winter.

00:18:54.000 Not to mention that the conditions in Ukraine economically will likely be favourable to a great many globalist imperatives.

00:19:04.000 We talked about in our presentation just there the opportunity to create a 100% digital state and that was not conjecture.

00:19:11.000 The Ukraine themselves have produced a piece of publicity material, video in particular, outlining a vision that you can have an entirely

00:19:20.000 centralized surveillance state with biometrics, deeply immersive ability to observe. So there's the profit

00:19:26.000 for the military-industrial complex, there's the reconstruction profit and there's the kind of

00:19:31.000 opportunity to turn Ukraine into a pilot state for numerous imperatives that have been

00:19:37.000 discussed openly over the last five, six years around digital ID, social credit scoring, even

00:19:42.000 more enhanced surveillance techniques.

00:19:45.000 So it's very easy to see how there is an agenda alongside the obvious humanitarian agenda that elsewhere in geopolitical history has not seemed to be at the forefront of corporatist American interests.

00:20:00.000 Yeah, and a big part of this, too, is about, you know, with all those companies building the infrastructure and besides just turning Ukraine into a de facto NATO member, which I think it's pretty fair to say they are now, as Reznikov has said, the defense minister who's being replaced, you know, giving them this foothold in Ukraine right on Russia's border to turn it basically into this Western client state right in Russia's backyard, I think was a big part of the goal.

00:20:25.000 A big part of the reason why the U.S.

00:20:27.000 kept pushing this And pushing this and was involved in Ukraine, you know, going back to the 2014 coup and supporting Ukraine in the war in the eastern Donbass region through all that time.

00:20:38.000 You know, there is reporting right before Russia's recent invasion, not recent, it's been almost a year now, but there is reporting from Yahoo News that CIA power military officers were deployed on the front lines of the Donbass war, you know, during that whole time.

00:20:52.000 So Again, you talk about the narrative.

00:20:54.000 It's a snapshot for the corporate media from February 24th until now.

00:20:58.000 For us, we have to look at the big picture.

00:20:59.000 It even goes way back before 2014 with NATO expansion and all that.

00:21:05.000 So that's why people are buying up this narrative because, again, they give them that snapshot.

00:21:12.000 Not to mention the Nord Stream pipeline and the shift now in Americans' ability to sell resources across the world, which was another explicitly stated goal prior to the commencement of this conflict.

00:21:27.000 We want to be the number one provider of liquid gas, which I believe is another one of the objectives that has been subsequently met.

00:21:34.000 It helps us, doesn't it, Dave, to see geopolitics in the form of a broader narrative, in particular the attempt to destabilise Russia, potentially because of a burgeoning partnership and set of treaties that they've cultivated with China.

00:21:53.000 Now, of course, America, every time I say China I want to China.

00:21:56.000 Their relationship with China is, of course, in the headlines because of that terrifying, awful, bloody balloon. 1.00

00:22:04.000 But also, there is a wider global narrative about US hegemony and unipolar intentions and the potential for China and Russia to disrupt that.

00:22:17.000 Are we likely to see this story becoming increasingly incendiary over coming weeks, months, years, Dave?

00:22:25.000 Yeah, and you know, one point is that the people running American foreign policy, you know, the neocons who control it and other people, you know, part of the deep state, there's different factions and some of them are not very smart.

00:22:39.000 And those are the ones right now that are controlling the Biden administration, I think, you know, Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland.

00:22:44.000 What they're doing to Russia and China clearly is going to bring them closer together. 0.73

00:22:49.000 They're both facing Western sanctions.

00:22:51.000 They're both facing Western military buildups.

00:22:53.000 And now they're shaking hands and making deals.

00:22:55.000 And it's creating this kind of new, like you said, multipolar world, potentially, with Russia, China, Iran, even Venezuela, all these countries that are being sanctioned by the US.

00:23:05.000 They're kind of creating this enemy.

00:23:07.000 And we know that, you know, just look at the history of the US foreign policy.

00:23:10.000 They've done this before.

00:23:11.000 You know, they opened up China and got all this industry there and really built them up.

00:23:16.000 And now over the past few years, China has really become the boogeyman. 1.00

00:23:21.000 So now there's a lot to this China thing in the balloon.

00:23:25.000 And right now, what people have to do is just stop for a moment

00:23:29.000 and not get kind of whipped up into a frenzy about this scary Chinese spy

00:23:33.000 balloon that went over the US.

00:23:35.000 Really have to ask questions.

00:23:37.000 And the big thing, I think, is that, you know, so China says it's a weather balloon.

00:23:42.000 The U.S.

00:23:43.000 says it's a spy balloon.

00:23:44.000 China says it accidentally drifted over the U.S.

00:23:46.000 Who knows?

00:23:47.000 It's not exactly clear.

00:23:49.000 Then you have the Pentagon saying this has happened before.

00:23:52.000 And one thing I pointed out in my article that I wrote up about it, it's on antiwar.com today, is that just a few years ago, you know, surveillance aircraft from a foreign country over the U.S.

00:24:02.000 wouldn't really be that big of a deal.

00:24:04.000 Because the US and Russia had a treaty called Open Skies, and it allowed unarmed surveillance flights over each other's territory.

00:24:10.000 Trump pulled out of it in 2020.

00:24:12.000 Russia actually tried to salvage it, but the Biden administration rejected the offer.

00:24:16.000 You know, that was another thing that led up to this war is the decline of arms control treaties between the US and Russia.

00:24:22.000 So anyway, so maybe a balloon Floating over the US for a little while wouldn't have really raised alarms back then before this treaty was scrapped.

00:24:32.000 I'm not really sure, but we have to ask these questions.

00:24:35.000 And the timing of this whole balloon thing, you know, the Pentagon announcing it right before Blinken is supposed to go to China.

00:24:41.000 And Blinken cancels his trip. 0.98

00:24:42.000 And it shows what a pathetic diplomat he is. 0.96

00:24:46.000 Right now, what he should be doing is, oh, there's a balloon. 0.98

00:24:50.000 This could be an issue between the US and China.

00:24:51.000 I got to get on the phone.

00:24:52.000 I got to get over there and talk to them about this.

00:24:54.000 But no, of course, he cancels the trip.

00:24:56.000 When it comes to Russia, Blinken has totally failed as a diplomat since Russia invaded.

00:25:01.000 You would think if you're the top diplomat in the United States, you would try to be talking to Russia every day to stop this war.

00:25:07.000 But nope, he cut off communication with Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister.

00:25:10.000 They only spoke one time that we know of, at least, since Russia invaded, and that was to discuss a prisoner swap.

00:25:16.000 So he's a totally failed diplomat.

00:25:18.000 But I think that might have something to do with the timing of the announcement by the Pentagon.

00:25:23.000 Of course, also people did just see it.

00:25:25.000 They looked up and saw it, so who knows if the previous ones were that visible.

00:25:29.000 But this is against the backdrop of this U.S.

00:25:31.000 military buildup in the Asia-Pacific.

00:25:33.000 Just last week, the U.S.

00:25:34.000 announced it's opening four new military facilities in the Philippines.

00:25:38.000 The week before that, the U.S.

00:25:40.000 Marine Corps opened a new base on Guam, and these marine leaders, these military leaders in the Asia-Pacific, they say They're doing this to prepare for war with China.

00:25:50.000 Just a few weeks back, the top U.S.

00:25:52.000 Marine Corps commander in Japan said, told Financial Times that, you know, they're increasing cooperation with Japan, the Philippines.

00:26:00.000 We're doing this, we call it setting the theater, as we set the theater in Ukraine after 2014, comparing it directly to that war.

00:26:09.000 And now with Taiwan.

00:26:11.000 Taiwan, of course, is the big one.

00:26:12.000 If you remember last summer, Nancy Pelosi's little stunt, she went over there and it provoked the largest Chinese military drills around Taiwan that have ever happened.

00:26:20.000 They fired missiles over the island.

00:26:23.000 They simulated a blockade.

00:26:24.000 They never did that before.

00:26:26.000 It was clear China was going to react like that.

00:26:27.000 She went anyway.

00:26:28.000 And now we have Kevin McCarthy, the Newhouse speaker.

00:26:30.000 He's saying he's going to go too.

00:26:33.000 And Taiwan's a tricky one, because a lot of people don't understand the situation.

00:26:38.000 But since 1979, the U.S.

00:26:39.000 has not had diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

00:26:43.000 That was how they opened up with China.

00:26:44.000 It's the foundation of U.S.-China relations, is kind of this weird scenario.

00:26:48.000 And you could go back further.

00:26:49.000 U.S.

00:26:50.000 intervention in the Chinese Civil War, backing Chiang Kai-shek when the Kuomintang fled to Taiwan, The US intervening militarily in the 1950s to stop Mao from

00:26:59.000 trying to take Taiwan.

00:27:01.000 All this stuff is very important that people need to understand.

00:27:03.000 But right now what we've seen in the past few years, starting really under the Trump administration,

00:27:10.000 is that they're changing the relationship from Taiwan.

00:27:12.000 It used to be kind of an issue between the U.S.

00:27:15.000 and China, and now they're using it as an opportunity to kind of poke China.

00:27:19.000 And, you know, these visits, Nancy Pelosi going over there is a big deal because she's the she was the Speaker of the House. 0.99

00:27:26.000 and that China views that as an affront to the one China policy.

00:27:29.000 The US has been selling them more weapons.

00:27:31.000 The National Defense Authorization Act, the 2023 military spending bill

00:27:35.000 that Biden just signed, include military aid for Taiwan for the first time ever.

00:27:40.000 They've always sold them weapons.

00:27:41.000 They've never financed the purchase.

00:27:43.000 And China reacted more drills around Taiwan.

00:27:45.000 They're telling us if you keep doing this, this could lead to war

00:27:49.000 between the US and China.

00:27:50.000 They're telling us outright, but they're not listening.

00:27:53.000 So it's going to be a similar situation where the U.S.

00:27:56.000 is going to potentially provoke a war over Taiwan.

00:27:59.000 And just like the U.S.

00:28:00.000 and Russia, the U.S.

00:28:01.000 and China cannot go to war.

00:28:03.000 China doesn't have nearly as many nukes as Russia and the U.S.

00:28:06.000 do, but they still have plenty to destroy the world if there is a nuclear exchange. 0.99

00:28:10.000 And the narrative, if you see people telling you that Joe Biden is owned by China, that's just a false narrative.

00:28:17.000 Because yes, Hunter Biden made some money over there.

00:28:20.000 But if you paid attention to Biden's foreign policy, he's been tougher on China than Trump than Trump was.

00:28:25.000 He's increased all these sanctions trying to cripple their semiconductor industry and not just U.S.

00:28:30.000 sanctions.

00:28:30.000 They're trying to get the Netherlands and Japan to get in on these sanctions.

00:28:34.000 And again, these military buildups and his Pentagon, his State Department, the CIA, the FBI, just about every federal agency under Biden has said China is our number one threat, our top enemy.

00:28:46.000 So we have to think very cautiously about all this balloon you know, frenzy when that is the backdrop.

00:28:54.000 That's the situation we're in today.

00:28:55.000 US-China relations are so low.

00:28:57.000 Seems like there is an aggressive agenda being subversively deployed almost uniformly

00:29:06.000 and continually, whether it's this current conflict and its preceding provocations,

00:29:12.000 or what we appear to be seeing now is kind of comparable to the gradual encroachment

00:29:18.000 around territories that have associations with China.

00:29:22.000 The...

00:29:23.000 Building of a narrative that there is a necessity for a conflict.

00:29:29.000 I suppose that what we will look out for over the next six months to a year is like, oh, Taiwan, there's this humanitarian crisis.

00:29:36.000 We've got to help these Taiwanese people.

00:29:38.000 They're doing their best.

00:29:39.000 China's invaded. 0.92

00:29:41.000 Or we'll be invited to forget the provocation.

00:29:43.000 What dear Blinken, if he's any kind of a diplomat, should be doing is getting himself on a balloon and going to China by balloon on a global balloon tour.

00:29:53.000 For peace.

00:29:54.000 That is the sort of diplomatic opportunity that ought to be embraced.

00:29:57.000 Dave, thank you for describing these complex events in such an accessible, thoughtful and, I would say, inclusive way.

00:30:08.000 Antiwar.com has, as I understand it, no left-right political bias.

00:30:12.000 What is the agenda of Antiwar.com?

00:30:15.000 Is there any clues in the name, for example?

00:30:19.000 Yeah, so I mean, that's basically our bias is that we're anti-war, non-interventionist.

00:30:24.000 We're a libertarian staff, so we're what most people would consider, you know, right-leaning.

00:30:29.000 But we have columnists from all over the political spectrum, and that's been the mission of the website.

00:30:33.000 It was founded in 1995 by Eric Garrison and Justin Raimondo, and Justin was the columnist who was a genius, but unfortunately he passed away.

00:30:43.000 In 2019, but the whole time it was about building a coalition, you know, we would run columns from, you know, Daniel Ellsberg and Pat Buchanan, just completely different ends of the political spectrum.

00:30:55.000 And we still do that today.

00:30:56.000 And that's what we pride ourselves on.

00:30:59.000 Because, you know, this issue, especially now, as we're looking down the barrel of a potential war with Russia and China, now a nuclear war, we really need to unite to stop this.

00:31:08.000 And that's what We're all about, and the site is entirely reader-funded, that's why they've been able to do this and go against these narratives, and I'm very honored to be working for them.

00:31:18.000 I started doing it full-time in 2020, and I just write short news articles every day.

00:31:24.000 I sort through hundreds of articles in the mainstream media every day and kind of filter it through to give people a short understanding, so that's what we're about.

00:31:33.000 Again, I think your viewers, you know, would appreciate what we do over there.

00:31:38.000 And also, if people don't want to read, I condense it into about a 30-minute daily podcast.

00:31:43.000 It's called Anti-War News with Dave DeCamp.

00:31:46.000 You can listen to the audio version or we also have a YouTube channel.

00:31:49.000 We're also on Rumble and all that stuff.

00:31:52.000 So yeah, I think, you know, our views align a lot, Russell, in that politics are kind of secondary when you're When we're in the situation we are today, and people really need to wake up, and I know you had Jimmy Doran promoting that anti-war rally February 19th in Washington, D.C.

00:32:10.000 We're going to be represented there by Scott Horton, who's our editorial director.

00:32:14.000 He's a human encyclopedia.

00:32:16.000 People are familiar with him.

00:32:18.000 But yeah, so that's what we're about.

00:32:19.000 We're going to be represented at that march by Gareth, who's a human centipedia, very much like that terrifying film where people did all manner of filthy stuff.

00:32:29.000 In a way, true opposition these days has to be bipartisan and transcendent of those kind of divisions, because it's quite clear that centralist interests, whether left or right, both have a pro-military agenda, both pro-surveillance, both pro-digitisation, and really what is required is a coalition of the awakening in order to truly oppose what appears to be a relentless march towards the apocalypse.

00:32:58.000 I mean, when we're in the Armageddon, we won't have time to check what rosettes the other zombies are wearing as we pick through the ashes and rumble This is a Democrat zombie.

00:33:07.000 This one's a Republican zombie.

00:33:09.000 Let's just get on with some new transcendent truly democratic populist movement that embraces freedom from across the political spectrum.

00:33:16.000 So I think Dave's told you a great deal about anti-war.com.

00:33:21.000 I know that Gareth and the rest of the team use your resources quite a lot in generating the narratives we use for our content.

00:33:28.000 Although to be honest most of the work is just done by me on the spot because I'm I just improvise news myself.

00:33:34.000 I just come up with stories.

00:33:35.000 It's all up there under one of my elaborate hats.

00:33:38.000 Dave, thank you so much, mate, for joining us.

00:33:40.000 Thanks for your brilliant work today.

00:33:41.000 I appreciate it.

00:33:42.000 Yeah, Russell.

00:33:43.000 Again, thanks so much for having me on.

00:33:44.000 I really appreciate it.

00:33:45.000 You've got a kind, wonderful face of a Christ-like figure, Dave, isn't he?

00:33:49.000 Thanks for joining us, man.

00:33:51.000 Thanks very much.

00:33:52.000 On tomorrow's show, Matthias Desmet, author of The Psychology of Totalitarianism, is joining us, talking about mass formation and how the elites are controlling us.

00:34:01.000 What about that?

00:34:02.000 That's a guest that I've been in conversations as a result of our forthcoming American tour, where we're going on some great shows.

00:34:08.000 Rogan, Ma, Tucker, some big shows coming up over there in your country, if you're in America.

00:34:14.000 I've made some interesting connections.

00:34:17.000 Wow, you're doing the guest bookings now as well.

00:34:19.000 Girl, they call me One Man Brand.

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00:34:23.000 If I could just crack that French horn, we don't need any of you guys. 1.00

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00:35:29.000 See, pawpaw7, Operation Paperclip explains why the US is so brainwashed.

00:35:32.000 Probably shouldn't have read that one out.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - February 07, 2023

Dave DeCamp (Geopolitics of US-China)

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