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00:07:16.000Dr. Robert Epstein is joining us to discuss the over-incredible, almost immeasurable impact of Google when it comes to curating our reality.
00:07:28.000Perhaps electoral interference is a Complicated subject to discuss, but when it comes to the 360 control of your reality, there's no doubt that alphabet or GERD organizations have an incredible ability to present particular political movements and particular stories in a very specific light.
00:09:59.000It's pretty clear you won't admit that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the United States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people that you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race.
00:10:29.000I don't know what you're going to get with no mics live tonight.
00:10:39.000Let's have a look at CNN having a little panic about I'm having a little panic about Trump's recent polling, because it seems that the Kamala honeymoon is over, baby.
00:10:52.000If you look at the white voters without college degrees, this is a Trump-based constituency, obviously.
00:10:59.000You see his huge numbers with this group.
00:11:03.000You see that this is a trouble sign for Harris.
00:11:06.000She also, in a place like Georgia, is not doing well with white college educated voters.
00:11:12.000She probably wants to make up some ground with white college educated voters across
00:11:58.000I mean, as someone who was in charge of debate prep in 2016 and 2020 for him, it was a constant struggle.
00:12:04.000There were times when we would go and debate prep would be scheduled.
00:12:08.000We'd go in to sit with him and he would just say, no, I'm not doing it.
00:12:12.000And that would be it, and it just wouldn't happen.
00:12:15.000And so my guess is that, you know, especially now, as you said in the lead-up, you know, his seventh general election presidential debate, he really doesn't think he needs to prepare.
00:12:26.000He believes that just whatever his gut instincts are, are what's going to carry him.
00:12:31.000He will allow people to speak at him for a while.
00:12:34.000I will guarantee you there's been no mock debates, there never has been.
00:12:40.000So he will be— He won't allow a mock debate.
00:12:44.000He sees that as somehow breaching the sanctity of the concept.
00:12:49.000I mean, that don't make me like him less.
00:12:52.000Do you remember when we learned that Joe Biden had been on a special holiday to prepare for that debate?
00:12:58.000And then we saw it and even his dear wife Jill didn't seem sincere when she congratulated him on it.
00:13:05.000I like the idea of a debate with a person that Let me know in the chat how you think it's going to go.
00:13:16.000The mics are muted, there's no audience, so you're not going to get a because you'll be in jail type moment.
00:13:23.000And again, do you think the Republican Party MAGA movement and Trump in particular are still in a process of adapting to the social There's a complexity that comes from transitioning from debating an elderly white male puppet of the establishment to debating a non-white female middle-aged puppet of the establishment.
00:14:14.000Trump's not preparing for any entity that he has to debate.
00:14:18.000Typically, Donald Trump, which is, he's just going to go in there and wing it.
00:14:23.000And that's why I think what Kamala Harris does in this debate is significantly more important than what Donald Trump does, because he's going to be him, he's just going to wing it.
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00:17:41.000Now, overnight, even CNN have gone into a peculiar kind of meltdown while trying to reconcile Kamala Harris' current policy positions with her previous policy positions.
00:17:55.000Kamala Harris is a mystery when it comes to policy, and every announcement makes it yet more opaque.
00:18:02.000One moment she's emulating Trump, the very next it appears that there could be a subverted and concealed agenda.
00:18:09.000While the debate may make things a little clearer, we've got to have a look at this to understand the true depths of the complexity of Kamala.
00:18:20.000Let's have a look at this CNN report from Erin Burnett, who seems somewhat astonished.
00:18:28.000Tonight, Kamala Harris releasing details of her policy positions for the first time on her campaign website.
00:18:34.000A K-file investigation has been covered.
00:19:19.000Yeah, and this was a questionnaire that she filled out for the ACLU, and this questionnaire is really an interesting snapshot in time of that 2019 Democratic primary.
00:19:29.000Kamala Harris was trying to get to the left of Bernie Sanders.
00:19:32.000She was trying to get to the left of Elizabeth Warren, and you really see that in a lot of these answers, and I want to walk our viewers through a little bit of what she said.
00:19:39.000Let's just take immigration and look at what she said here.
00:19:42.000She said on immigration, she made this open-ended pledge to end And what, may I ask, is wrong with that?
00:19:47.000She said she supported taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for detained migrants.
00:20:21.000She wrote, both wrote and answered in the affirmative when she was asked this.
00:20:27.000And she said she also supported it for federal prisoners.
00:20:30.000Now she also pledged to slash immigration detention by 50%, close all family and private facilities, and decrease funding for ICE and then end ICE detainers with local law enforcement.
00:20:43.000I mean, these are, these are things that, you know, it would be hard to think that you would come up with taxpayer funding gender transitions for, uh, for detained migrants, and yet this... Surely trying to suggest that the American population at large don't want to fund...
00:21:00.000The combined issues of gender transitioning surgery and immigration.
00:21:08.000What, Erin, is your problem, you fascist?
00:21:15.000You know, what else, you know, did you find?
00:21:18.000Well, let's take a look at her answer here on drugs.
00:21:21.000She got asked about, you know, the question from the ACLU was, since drug use is better addressed as a public health issue through treatment and other programming, will you support the decriminalization at the federal level of all drug possession for personal use?
00:22:24.000The actual irony is, is I do believe in the decriminalizations of substances.
00:22:28.000Believing that addiction is a spiritual problem brought about by a deep, deep despair.
00:22:32.000The despair itself comes about from not being in alignment with God, and not being in alignment with God, of course, comes from a number of conditions.
00:22:41.000But I would argue quite strongly that they are sociological.
00:22:44.000Because we have cultivated and created a dark, near demonic society where the light of the Lord is extinguished by the bright Vegas-like glare of an endless Tokyo of neon lies bombarded continually into your consciousness by deceptive corporate globalist forces that only are able to get away with this Guile and cruelty because they pretend they are helping you while they're doing it.
00:23:15.000So I'm not surprised that Kamala Harris has flipped flopped more than a 5th of July hot dog while trying to make sense Of the business of running for president, because if you don't actually have any principles at all, then simply say anything.
00:23:37.000If you are a cipher for a far deeper, potentially darker power, and I'm not suggesting that Kamala Harris is, like, aware of this while she's, what is it they're doing?
00:23:46.000They're out sizzling up bacon for a nephew.
00:23:49.000I was at home sizzling up bacon for a nephew, wasn't I, Chris?
00:24:16.000It's an extraordinary world that we're living in, when this slew of mania and insanity can be passed off to the beautiful people of America as some kind of political campaign.
00:24:30.000And perhaps tonight in the debate, which I'm hoping you'll join us for, we will see A different perspective.
00:24:46.000That the same ideas come round and round again but perhaps this time you'll see them from a higher perspective or with a deeper understanding and having lived through several elections now and managed to glean above all else that they are part of a deceptive spectacle to ensure the ongoing power of institutions that sit beneath the reach of electoral democracy.
00:25:05.000What we might see, at best, is a charismatic wrecking ball disrupting a trajectory towards globalist authoritarianism, which can easily be diagnosed by anyone looking at what happened during the pandemic period.
00:25:20.000What we were told at the beginning, what we experienced, By the end.
00:26:17.000He is a magnificent man who educated me brilliantly on the power of Google and their ability to manipulate information to a degree where you may not even know what you're voting for.
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00:27:07.000Yeah, it's infinite regress, isn't it, the who made God question?
00:27:11.000Whenever you ask someone what happened before the Big Bang, the question you're also asking is who created God?
00:27:18.000And in both cases, you will get an answer along the lines of, well, why does there have to be a before?
00:27:25.000In the case, as a Christian, I would say that the Trinity represents eternity, that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit existed in an eternity of timeless, well, not timeless, atemporal life.
00:27:39.000There's that Wittgenstein quote, isn't there?
00:27:42.000When you consider eternity not to be a large duration of time, but the condition of timelessness, then perhaps eternity belongs to he who lives in the moment.
00:27:57.000Oh yeah, Wittgenstein, that's who I'm quoting.
00:28:01.000Now, would I have become as educated as I was able to using things like, I don't know, libraries and listening, had I lived as a boy in a 360 sphere curated by Google?
00:28:13.000That's the subject we'll be discussing with Dr. Robert Epstein.
00:28:16.000He's a psychologist, professor, author, and head of the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology, was awarded a PhD in psychology at Harvard in 1981, and was editor-in-chief at Psychology Today and has held positions at several
00:28:28.000universities including Boston, California, San Diego, Harvard and many more. One thing I'll
00:28:32.000tell you is you will not reach that man using a Gmail account because he believes that it
00:28:37.000is our duty to get out of the clutches, grasp and control of big tech and that it goes far deeper
00:28:45.000and is far more nefarious than we ever dared to imagine. Dr. Robert, thank you for
00:29:17.000Do you think, on the precipice of this election, with the campaign being sort of a giddy carousel that's moving faster than a hydrant collider, How are we supposed to stay abreast of deeper truths?
00:29:33.000How are we supposed to make informed decisions?
00:29:36.000And what do Google do in particular that prevents us from assessing the election and the information emerging from both campaigns accurately and effectively?
00:29:48.000Well, just a couple of hours ago, this is breaking news, a leaked video has been published from Google.
00:30:00.000It's an employee of theirs named Dakota Leaser, and he is actually talking about how Google is deliberately manipulating online content to favor Kamala Harris.
00:30:12.000Now, it turns out that since you and I last talked, my team and I have set up the world's first nationwide monitoring system to do to Google what Google does to us and our kids 24 hours a day.
00:30:26.000They surveil us, now we're surveilling them.
00:30:30.000So at the moment, we're collecting data, court-admissible data, through the computers of a politically balanced group of more than 15,000 registered voters in all 50 U.S.
00:30:42.000states, and we are collecting the evidence.
00:30:47.000We're actually collecting it by the millions.
00:30:50.000If you go to Americas with an S, AmericasDigitalShield.com, you can actually see a dashboard where you can see the data coming in, and you can see the bias because we're measuring their manipulations in real time.
00:31:05.000So what do we know, for example, about search results related to Kamala Harris?
00:31:13.000Well, it turns out over the past four or five months, well, five months ago, they were not supporting her in search results.
00:31:21.000They were sending people to both positive and negative content about her through their search results.
00:31:28.000Now, very gradually, they've introduced extreme bias favoring Kamala Harris.
00:31:34.000Well wait a second, let's pull that up right now.
00:31:36.000Let's post the link in the description and let's have a look at the website.
00:31:45.000Can we pull it up and have a look at it now?
00:31:46.000So it's a dashboard that shows us in real time the way that these biases are accumulating.
00:31:52.000And you've achieved that by getting 15,000 inverted commas neutral, although I've got to tell you Robert, I don't know how anyone could be neutral in this environment.
00:32:00.000It's so incendiary, it's so intoxicating, it's so sort of potently driving and goading.
00:32:08.000But you told me you were going to do this last time we communicated, but it seemed to
00:32:55.000Google manipulates by showing people content that's very fleeting, that has an impact on them, and then disappears forever.
00:33:03.000And internally at the company, they call those ephemeral experiences.
00:33:08.000So at one point there was a leak of emails from Google to the Wall Street Journal, in which Google employees were saying, how can we use ephemeral experiences, again it's their term, to change people's views about Trump's travel ban.
00:33:23.000Now, so they use ephemeral experiences like search suggestions, which disappear, search results, answer boxes, recommendations on YouTube for recommending the next video, then the up next video that plays automatically.
00:34:09.000It's around 25% Conservative, 25% liberal, 25% moderate, and 25% people who say other or unaffiliated.
00:34:18.000So we're getting the full balance and we're collecting data in a scientifically valid fashion and in a manner which is now admissible in 19 or 20 states.
00:34:30.000And we're collecting data from all 50 states 24 hours a day.
00:34:32.000This This web page that you're seeing, which shows the bias in real time on Google, Bing, Yahoo, YouTube, and other platforms, this is court admissible.
00:34:45.000This is the biggest threat these companies have ever faced.
00:34:49.000The bigger this database gets, and we're getting very close to 100 million ephemeral experiences now preserved, Well actually, I think it might happen while we're sitting here.
00:34:59.000The ephemeral experiences, they're accumulating, they're accumulating right now.
00:35:03.000So some of the examples we have here are like Google searches for Trump showing up as results for Kamala, Google searches for Donald Trump showing negative stories about Trump, Google searches for the assassinations about Trump like disappearing.
00:35:17.000Now we've seen Elon Musk Well, I don't know.
00:35:20.000Now, given that this is primarily a story about objectivity, I feel it would be remiss for me not to ask you about,
00:35:26.000I'm seeing a lot of comments in Rumble chat talking about Jimmy Dore.
00:35:30.000Did you go on Jimmy Dore's show and what was that experience like and what happened?
00:35:34.000I didn't see it myself, I'm just responding to comments saying that you were on Jimmy Dore
00:35:37.000and maybe it was contentious, I don't know.
00:36:39.000Well, Rogan handled it very well, and he told me afterwards that he thinks it was one of the best shows he's ever done, and he thinks it's going to go viral.
00:37:17.000And I just started explaining to him how fed up I was.
00:37:21.000How stupid people are, how complacent they are, that they don't seem to understand what's going on.
00:37:27.000And I've been working for 12 years doing intensive, rigorous research, publishing in peer-reviewed journals, writing articles, going on shows like yours, trying to get the word out, and people just don't care.
00:37:42.000And it's so frustrating because people are being manipulated to an extent that is unprecedented in history.
00:37:50.000And this year alone, Google has the ability to shift between 6.5 million and 25.5 million
00:37:59.000votes in our presidential election. And again, it's so rare that I find people who get it,
00:38:07.000who understand what a big deal this is and what a threat it is to our democracy.
00:38:11.000In the U.S., as far as I'm concerned, we've not had control of our own elections since 2012, because that's the power that these tech companies have to shift votes and opinions and attitudes and beliefs and purchases.
00:38:24.000And they use this power Without any humility, they use this power 24 hours a day.
00:38:34.000And I know because now we're catching them.
00:38:42.000And then Joe kept kind of, you know, I'm checking you're alright.
00:38:46.000That's nice to hear that level of sensitivity from a man who I know to be a tender-hearted individual in spite of his obvious macho-ness.
00:38:55.000Now I want to talk to you about a few very particular stories and I'm going to show you some clips because you are a man who loves Data Doctor and I don't want any meltdowns.
00:39:06.000Well this is first of all a story about Democrats Paying social media influencers up to $10,000 per post.
00:39:40.000So a video just for a creator in my size and average can go from $3,000 to $10,000 depending and upwards.
00:39:50.000See well, this is an interesting story, Doctor.
00:39:53.000I don't know if you can see my t-shirt, but we've done some interesting deals.
00:39:59.000This is a nice... These are a bunch of guys that you can rely on.
00:40:03.000They get a lot of bad press, primarily because of stuff that happened in the last few years, but I assure you that they're doing their absolute best over there at Pfizer and Moderna.
00:40:14.000They're all very good, all of them, the whole lot of them.
00:40:16.000Johnson & Johnson, but don't trust that third Johnson.
00:40:21.000So the example there on CBS Mornings, isn't that kind of... This is not precisely what you're talking about.
00:40:30.000You're talking about the management of data and the manipulation of data and these ephemeral impressions I might just see when I'm looking at my YouTube feed or, of course, I only use Rumble.
00:40:43.000But were I to be looking at some of those nefarious big tech hellholes What you would see is that the impressions are somehow being manipulated centrally to subtly guide people.
00:40:56.000And you say it could be as many as 25 million people, which of course amounts to an election.
00:40:59.000But one thing I wanted to follow up on, as well as seeing if you have anything to add to this clip we've just watched from CBS and Influence, is If it's been influencing every single election since 2012 then we've had victories for either side during that period so are Google available to either side and if so it's just another utensil and does it matter?
00:41:46.000But we have Instead, we have something that's never existed before in history, and that is we have these couple of huge online platforms.
00:41:55.000If Google wants to support a particular candidate, you cannot counteract what they're doing.
00:42:01.000Let me give you an example of what we're detecting right this second.
00:42:05.000And again, without a monitoring system, you would never know this is occurring.
00:42:08.000Right now on Google's home page, which is seen 500 million times a day in the U.S., They are sending register-to-vote reminders to Democrats at two and a half times the rate they're sending them to Republicans.
00:42:23.000Now that's going to turn into partisan mail-in-your-ballot reminders, and then that's going to turn into partisan go-vote reminders.
00:42:30.000And those manipulations alone, those targeted messages on Google's homepage, you can't counteract it.
00:42:36.000And if there's no monitoring system in place, you can't even see it.
00:42:40.000And that shifts millions of votes literally Go vote reminders on election day itself will give one candidate an additional 450,000 votes that day.
00:42:53.000That's why we have to have monitoring systems because without them you don't know what is going on.
00:43:00.000What the tech companies are doing has nothing to do with dirty tricks.
00:43:04.000It's literally these huge monopolies who have at their command incredibly powerful forms of manipulation that have never existed before.
00:43:26.000So we've done a lot of research showing that biased content, for example, in search results, search suggestions, answer boxes, can shift the voting preferences of undecided voters by between 20 and 80 percent.
00:43:41.000So that we've known, that's been replicated, that's a real finding.
00:43:44.000But what we discovered recently is even scarier, and that is this.
00:43:49.000If we show one group biased content, we'll get a 20% shift or so in their voting preferences, and that we know.
00:43:58.000But now we have another group, and this other group, we're sending them the same biased content, But it's coming from news sources that they say they trust.
00:44:08.000In other words, we're personalizing the content.
00:44:23.000Can you give me a specific example of a personalized piece of manipulative content versus, you know, like, oh, if it comes from a CNN feed or if it comes, can you give us some actual literal examples of personalized versus the more neutral type of bias?
00:45:32.000So what we're collecting in this monitoring system is not just content from more than 15,000 registered voters throughout the U.S., it's personalized content.
00:45:43.000We're looking over the shoulders with their permission of registered voters and we're capturing what they are getting on their screens.
00:45:50.000We're capturing the content being sent to them by Google, Bing, Yahoo, YouTube, TikTok and other platforms.
00:45:57.000Sure, but would you say then that Google would send a piece of content that would say Kamala's health plan is, you know, there's never been anything quite like it, says Rachel Maddow?
00:46:35.000What I'm saying is they will order the search.
00:46:37.000They'll filter and order the search results so that at the top there's content that they know you will trust, that they're personalizing it.
00:46:45.000So it's real content coming from the internet, but they're ordering it in a way that you're likely to click on what's at the top, and that's what people do click on.
00:46:54.000And that takes them to a web page that they're going to be very trusting of.
00:46:59.000And that's what we test in our experiments to see how much power that has.
00:47:03.000I see, because it would organically do that because it knows what sources you're continually using and the media will comply and provide that kind of content because that's what they functionally do.
00:47:15.000Now I'm going to show you, if I may, a James O'Keefe piece Where a Google growth strategist exposes Google search engine manipulation for the Kamala campaign, which for you is going to be joyful.
00:47:30.000That's going to be the opposite of your recent podcast appearances with Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore.
00:47:35.000Be set with meltdowns and confrontation.
00:47:38.000This is going to be like laying back in a warm bath.
00:47:41.000Or it's going to be like being in an airport knowing you are protected by Airstek, from whom we have a quick message because they're one of our sponsors.
00:48:57.000Hey, we mentioned before the commercial that we are going to play this clip of James O'Keefe who's doing a little sting on a Google growth strategist that's right in Dr Epstein's area of expertise.
00:49:14.000Google was essentially promoting through its ads rhetoric that was very pro-Kamala, and it seemed to link out to legitimate news publication sites, so it seemed like it was an ad for PBS, but it was really an ad for the Kamala campaign or whatever.
00:49:30.000Meet Dakota Liazer, growth strategist and ad salesman at Google.
00:49:35.000The CODA liaison goes on to say they're "reorienting the search engine to favor Kamala Harris."
00:49:41.000"It's like you go to Google, they're reorienting the search engine such that Kamala is favored."
00:49:50.000Facebook, I feel like, is promoting content that is favorable towards her.
00:49:54.000A lot of the AI stuff that's liberating right now is doing so in a way that's generally favorable to her.
00:50:03.000Dakota Liazer, growth strategist at Google, reveals that, quote, Google is a very progressive company, unquote.
00:50:09.000He admits that, quote, Google will allow a belief that one side will allow them to make more money.
00:50:16.000I mean, Google's a very liberal, progressive company.
00:50:19.000If they have a belief that one side will allow them to make more money.
00:50:27.000I don't think it's, like, at the very, very top, I don't think it's political, I think it's, like, economic.
00:50:31.000I think it's all about, like, the share or the stock price.
00:50:35.000The Google growth strategist suggests that political headlines help generate ad revenue for Google.
00:50:40.000These political headlines that are generating clicks, which generates ad revenue, it's all fueled out of hate.
00:50:58.000Do you think this is happening at scale?
00:51:01.000Do you think that this kind of manipulation happens not only around elections, but to further promote stories that are in other ways beneficial to the establishment?
00:51:09.000For example, are you familiar with the Trusted News Initiative, which includes numerous news organizations like the BBC, YouTube, I believe the New York Times are in it, certainly the Washington Post are.
00:51:22.000So, for example, if they wanted to destroy Joe Rogan with the either Mectin story or attack me on the basis of allegations, those stories would be promoted.
00:51:35.000Do you think it could be utilised across a variety of issues?
00:51:39.000And do you imagine it was used in the pandemic?
00:51:41.000Do you imagine it is used as part of smearing and taking down opponents?
00:51:46.000I have no doubt that they have been using these techniques for many years, but what I'm trying to tell you is we've performed a miracle, because we have actually now built the world's first nationwide monitoring system, and what this David Liazar said in this clip, we have the proof We have court-admissible proof on a very large scale coming from all over the U.S.
00:52:14.000showing not only the way they're using bias in their content to support Kamala Harris, but we actually can track what's happened over the past six months.
00:52:27.000We can go back in time now because the database is growing and growing, and we can see that six months ago they were not supporting her.
00:52:35.000And that they've gradually increased the support, and now the support is enormous.
00:52:47.000Because we've been doing research, controlled experiments since 2013, which we publish in peer-reviewed journals, which shows the power that bias and personalization has When they're presenting content that favors one candidate or another, that's how we can do the computations.
00:53:06.000So we have the evidence coming from the computers of more than 15,000 registered voters in all 50 U.S.
00:53:14.000states, politically balanced, And we have the scientific research that shows what the impact is of these manipulations.
00:53:23.000So yeah, what this man is saying is true, but what he's saying is probably not court admissible.
00:53:30.000And a lot of the news stories that pop up, the one recently about, for example, trying to look up the Trump assassination attempts, On Google, and you type that information in and they send you search suggestions, but all the suggestions are for Lincoln assassination and McKinley assassination.
00:54:43.000So, uh, with the data that you've accumulated, which you say, and I believe you, is empirical truth that these biases that we all understand take place anecdotally is indeed taking place now demonstrably.
00:54:56.000Would you explain to me what the next steps are?
00:54:59.000And also, like, you know, because further to that, I know that if I were to use YouTube, because whilst we are on Rumble, and Rumble's our home precisely because we believe in free speech, if I look at how my content's doing On YouTube, and by the way, it varies vastly.
00:55:14.000Like the last time we did something about vaccines or mRNA therapies, for example, it looked to me like it was being controlled.
00:55:23.000That there is definitely certain types of content that is shadow banned or in other ways impaired.
00:55:29.000For the longest time, whenever I'd put my name in, because I don't use the Metrix app to look at YouTube, I just check how our content is doing on there.
00:55:38.000I'm just trying to let you know that I do look at how my content does.
00:55:59.000So is that, would you say that's further, uh, evidence of what you are dis-, well, what you have proved, basically, you know, anecdotal evidence?
00:56:08.000Well, it turns into evidence when we make adjustments in what we're looking for, which we can do at any time.
00:56:15.000So if we add your name into the content that we're searching for every day, so right now we're searching for about 600 different items, but we could add you in there as well.
00:56:42.000Is it possible to do it retrospectively or is part of the problem that it's ephemeral?
00:56:46.000Could you go back to, for example, September 2023 when a series of media organizations worked in coordination with several other NGOs and government agencies to propagate some pretty nefarious stories?
00:57:01.000Well, right now we can go back about a year.
00:57:03.000But moving forward, we're going to have years and years and years of data.
00:57:07.000And we can, as I say, make adjustments in what we're searching for.
00:57:11.000So right now, as a matter of fact, we're in the process of revising what it is we're searching for because the elections are so close here.
00:57:19.000So we're going to be searching for more than a thousand different people and topics.
00:57:23.000And you know, this as this system grows, because it's growing every day, we have more field agents at it every day.
00:57:30.000And we're looking for more topics every day.
00:57:32.000The system is just going to grow and grow and grow.
00:57:35.000And yes, at some point in time, you'll be able to look back.
00:57:38.000If you're in the system, you'll be able to look back and we'll gather all that data for you.
00:57:43.000And then moving forward, we can look at anything that we want to look for, because we have access, thank goodness for these wonderful people who are allowing us to do this, because we have access to all of this data coming into the computers of real people.
00:57:59.000You have to, if you want to know what they're doing, by the way, you have to, I know you don't like this phrase, but with their permission, you have to look over the shoulders of real people, because that's where you see personalized content.
00:58:12.000And we do this without Google being able to detect what we're doing.
00:58:39.000I don't know why you keep having such a tough time on other people's podcasts, because I think actually you're doing fantastic and important work, and I can see how personally I'd be able to use that data, but I do recognize at the moment there's an election coming up and you have other priorities, but if you get time to add me to the 600, 601, It's not such a round number.
00:59:06.000Peep over their shoulders at that one, is what I would say.
00:59:09.000So, we've talked about how it will impact, you know, vote registrations, for example.
00:59:13.000You've told me that it could affect between 6 and 25 million votes in the forthcoming presidential election.
00:59:20.000Another person that has made claims of this nature, and in fact I think might have a The court case is the significant voice when it comes to the condemnation of the pharmaceutical industry and their insidious tactics.
00:59:34.000Bobby Kennedy, who is his joining in fact of the Trump campaign and MAGA movement, that gives me some encouragement that there might be the ability to disrupt this tendency towards ...technological omniscience and governmental omnipotence that appears to be the current intention.
00:59:57.000Where is Bobby Kennedy a particularly interesting case?
01:00:01.000Is he someone that you have any examples around?
01:00:14.000But now to go back to the big question you asked a couple of minutes ago, we have scheduled a meeting with RFK Jr.' 's staff for next week.
01:00:24.000And basically, we are working now with AGs around the country, Attorneys General.
01:00:30.000We're working with members of Congress.
01:00:32.000We're working with public advocacy groups, parenting groups, election integrity groups.
01:00:38.000So you're saying, what are we going to do with all this data?
01:00:41.000Well, this data is going to be used in lawsuits, and it's going to be used in public pressure campaigns.
01:00:47.000And it's going to be used to shame these companies, and it's going to be used to push them away from our elections and away from our kids.
01:00:57.000And the fact that you've done this in one year.
01:01:00.000When we spoke a year ago, you were just a giddy young doctor with a dream.
01:01:04.000Now you're a fantastic scientist with an incredible project out there breaking hearts and baffling some of the finest podcasters in the space.
01:01:13.000Dr. Robert, Epstein, thank you so much for coming on the show.
01:01:17.000Thank you for the incredible work that you are doing in exposing a power so all-consuming and ubiquitous that we almost don't notice it's there and wouldn't be able to prove that it was had it not been for your fantastic endeavor.
01:01:30.000Thank you for your work and thank you for joining me today.
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