It's a new year, but some things simply haven t changed. Mark Zuckerberg has a new message, this time with a promise to restore free expression across his site, and replace third party fact-checkers with a community-driven system.
00:04:04.000Check the way that the syllables of his name roll off of the tongue.
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00:05:11.000Certainly a Christian revival seems to have taken hold in Five Guys.
00:05:50.000While my country appears to be falling apart, while the Labour government is in disarray, while the grooming gang scandals fracture the nation, at least people have some moral fortitude when propositioned in a fast food restaurant.
00:07:06.000Mark Zuckerberg has a new message, this time with a promise to restore free expression across Meta's platforms.
00:07:13.000With a new plan to phase out third-party fact-checkers and replace them with a community-driven system, Zuckerberg says he's putting the power back in the hands of users, a bit like Community Notes over on X. Meta's
00:07:47.000This fact-checking program introduced in the wake of the 2016 election to combat misinformation became a lightning rod for criticism.
00:08:24.000Meta's decision to ban then-President Donald Trump in January 2021 was more than an act of content moderation.
00:08:29.000It was a seismic event in the digital age's ongoing battle over free speech and platform power.
00:08:35.000Coming in the aftermath of the January 6th Capitol riot, Facebook's decision to bar Trump from its platform marked the first time a sitting US president was silenced by a social media giant.
00:08:45.000Meta cited Trump's posts as violations of his policies against inciting violence, but the move left the nation divided, sparking applause from critics and outrage from free speech advocates.
00:08:56.000At the time, Zuckerberg defended the decision as necessary to prevent further violence, yet the ban, initially temporary, morphed into an indefinite society.
00:09:05.000When Facebook's oversight board, a body meta itself created to add legitimacy to decisions reviewed the case, it upheld the suspension but scolded meta failing to outline clear standards for banning political leaders.
00:09:17.000This lack of consistency added fuel to the fire, intensifying criticism of Facebook's opaque decision making and amplifying concerns about tech platforms unchecked power over political discourse.
00:09:29.000It's actually not been that long since Facebook banned Donald Trump and since all of us and people in my community and people that use the sort of independent media that you're used to came to regard Facebook as just a place for families and the elderly.
00:09:44.000I don't use Facebook especially anymore.
00:09:47.000So let me know in the comments and chat, do you see this as a rebranding exercise or do you see this as a return Hey everyone.
00:09:57.000Let's see Mark Zuckerberg himself addressing these issues and let's try to determine the following.
00:10:05.000Is it just that Meta is an international big tech platform and will do what is financially expedient?
00:10:11.000Is it that we're experiencing a seismic political shift around the world?
00:10:16.000Is it that Mark Zuckerberg has had some radical change of heart?
00:10:19.000Are we witnessing a new era of free speech and open communication?
00:10:23.000And all of the powers that were coalescing around neoliberal centre-left parties that now appear to be in decline and disarray with the resignation of Trudeau, the British Labour government in total despair and meltdown and the victory of Trump in the United States of America.
00:10:42.000Where is all that power now going to situate itself and how will it be expressed?
00:10:51.000I want to talk about something important today, because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram.
00:11:01.000I started building social media to give people a voice.
00:11:04.000I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago about the importance of protecting free expression, and I still believe this today.
00:11:11.000But a lot has happened over the last several years.
00:11:13.000There's been widespread debate about potential harms from online content.
00:11:18.000Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more.
00:12:01.000And there are all, and by the way, there are conversations about most of those subjects.
00:12:05.000You know, like part of the cultural divisions that we've been experiencing so starkly, because...
00:12:10.000Some people see things that we regard as child exploitation as...
00:12:16.000Potentially appropriate fashion imagery and symbols.
00:12:20.000And when it comes to terrorism, there are some people that regard terrorists as freedom fighters.
00:12:24.000One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
00:12:26.000And when it comes to drugs, there are people that say that we should have free access to drugs.
00:12:29.000So every single one of the bullet points listed there have complex moral arguments around them.
00:12:35.000I guess the issue is, who is the arbiter of morality in each of those subjects?
00:12:40.000And where do you derive your political and moral authority from?
00:12:45.000Particularly if you are ultimately a secularist, rationalist, individualist and materialist who believe that humankind are the apex of authority and power.
00:12:55.000So quickly, while Mark Zuckerberg appears to be positioned himself as a person who's just trying to ride his way through the rhythms and tides of an ever-shifting culture, and perhaps that's legitimate and true, I don't know Mark Zuckerberg's heart.
00:13:10.000Maybe he is someone who's just trying his best.
00:13:11.000Perhaps he is just like, you know, he is...
00:13:14.000Ultimately, I suppose, just a human being who invented something that became phenomenally successful and relevant and significant and ultimately a tool of political, corporate and commercial power.
00:13:25.000And now he, like all of us, is just trying to operate within those systems.
00:13:29.000The challenge, I reckon, comes when we seek...
00:13:36.000Mark Zuckerberg's clearly moved from kowtowing, as that article in Reclaim the Net said, to Biden and centrists and globalists, and is now repoing himself, at the most political level it looks like, and the most obvious level, let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with this, with new and resurgent nationalist right-wing powers and authority.
00:13:58.000But ultimately, though, where is a true and reliable authority that's not going to come and go with each administration, with each election?
00:14:09.000So we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content.
00:14:13.000But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes.
00:14:16.000Even if they accidentally censor just 1% of posts, that's millions of people.
00:15:00.000Let me know what you think in the comments, but I see this.
00:15:03.000As an aggressive rebrand, as their recognition that, oh my god, it hasn't worked.
00:15:08.000This experiment, this move towards globalism and totalitarianism under the auspices of care and concern, which reached its apex and zenith in the COVID-19 era, where, if you look at it just as a sort of a simple template, oh no, there's a really dangerous situation, we have to protect you, therefore take this medicine, stay inside your home, wear that mask, stay six feet apart.
00:15:40.000And now, obviously, there are attempts to malign the voices that support this kind of liberty and this kind of free speech, which, by the way, does have complex components to it.
00:15:51.000And we've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship.
00:15:56.000The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech.
00:16:02.000So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes.
00:16:07.000The reason elections seem to suggest that people don't like this anymore and the people that do like it aren't in positions to grant big contracts.
00:16:15.000Simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platforms.
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00:16:27.000More specifically, here's what we're going to do.
00:16:30.000First, we're going to get rid of fact-checkers and replace them with community notes, similar to X. Get out of here, you fact-checkers!
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00:18:05.000Starting in the US. After Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy.
00:18:15.000We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth.
00:18:20.000They did become the arbiters of truth.
00:18:23.000But the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US.
00:18:32.000Meta's handling of COVID-19 content moderation will likely go down as one of the most contentious chapters in its history and not without reason.
00:18:39.000As the pandemic unfolded, the company enacted some of its strict policies yet targeting what it labelled as misinformation.
00:18:45.000Posts were flagged, discussion suppressed, and claims outside official narratives were summarily removed.
00:18:51.000While Meta argued these measures were crucial for public safety, we all saw something far more troubling.
00:18:56.000We're going to phase in a more comprehensive community note system.
00:19:00.000Second, We're going to simplify our content policies and get rid of a bunch of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender that are just out of touch with mainstream discourse.
00:19:13.000This is more than AOC removing the pronouns from the buyer.
00:19:17.000This is a massive, significant cultural shift.
00:19:21.000If you see the impact that Elon Musk is having on American politics and British politics...
00:19:27.000Primarily as a result, yes, of his financial power and political relationships, but let's face it, because he is the owner and arbiter of X's...
00:19:36.000Online content presence and discourse.
00:19:40.000Now that Mark Zuckerberg is saying we're not doing that stuff anymore, the world's going to change rapidly and radically.
00:19:46.000As we continually say on this show, the old elites and centralised powers have lost control as a result of technological change, and the new elites are formulating, and now we're watching it in real time, working out how they are going to manage the new political space.
00:20:06.000What started as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly been used to shut down opinions and shut out people with different ideas, and it's gone too far.
00:21:22.000So by dialing them back, we're going to dramatically reduce the amount of censorship on our platforms.
00:21:28.000We're also going to tune our content filters to require much higher confidence before taking down content.
00:21:35.000The reality is that this is a trade-off.
00:21:37.000It means we're going to catch less bad stuff, but we'll also reduce the number of innocent people's posts and accounts that we accidentally take down.
00:21:46.000Fourth, we're bringing back civic content.
00:21:49.000For a while, the community asked to see less politics because it was making people stressed.
00:22:25.000And I don't think it means the end of technological feudalism.
00:22:28.000I'm sure there's all sorts of ways that power can manoeuvre to ensure that you are captured.
00:22:33.000And I'm certainly not suggesting that the Trump administration is without flaws.
00:22:38.000But because I happen to have personal experience of a number of high-up officials within that movement, I feel like personally qualified to say that the way that, for example, big pharma and health, free speech and censorship will be handled will be a...
00:22:52.000Significant improvement on how it was being handled under the previous administration.
00:22:58.000And I think the genuflecting fluctuations and apoplexy in the UK is an indication that this mood and this movement will spread.
00:23:10.000And watching Mark Zuckerberg bend the knee and offer a mea culpa, let's take it in good faith as like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg has realised that he was heading in the wrong direction, or perhaps it's just a politically What we as a global community can take from it is that the world has changed.
00:24:03.000I wonder how it's going to impact platforms that have built their...
00:24:07.000Platforms like Rumble and X are all about free speech.
00:24:10.000If Facebook becomes a free speech platform, will you start using it again?
00:24:13.000Again, let me know in the comments and chat.
00:24:16.000When you see people that were, generally speaking, on the rise prior to the MAGA election of 2025, do you see that you are, do you feel so much like you're looking at ghosts or twitching corpses?
00:24:31.000Here's Joy Reid, who's pretty distressed about Facebook's repositioning.
00:24:38.000Why would conservatives think fact-checking is biased against them?
00:24:44.000I mean, what are you sharing if you keep getting fact-checked?
00:25:31.000And in a sense, what this shows you is there's a massive political shift and ultimately companies like Meta will have to follow the money and go, Dana White, would you like to be on the board?
00:25:50.000What do I envisage as being the next significant shift?
00:25:53.000Hopefully, people in government will confine themselves to managing Sounds like a good way to proceed.
00:26:08.000Let's see what Glenn Greenwald's saying about it.
00:26:10.000There's panic in self-annointed disinformation and fact-checking groups that have coerced big tech to pay them to dictate which political ideas which must be removed.
00:26:18.000The post-2016 financing of censorship industrial complex bought power and profit for the Facebook won't pay anymore.
00:26:25.000You know what's fascinating is that groups like CRISP and Logically AI were involved when I was attacked in September 2023 and ensuring that those stories were handled in ways that were maximally impactful and, what do I want to say, effective in diminishing my impact online.
00:26:44.000So I know about the groups that Glenn Green Meanwhile, a major announcement this morning from Meta.
00:26:58.000Meta, the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp.
00:27:01.000In a video posted on his platforms today, CEO Mark Zuckerberg announcing big changes to the company's Fact-checking policy.
00:27:10.000NBC's senior Washington correspondent Hallie Jackson joins us now with more on this.
00:27:14.000And Hallie, the timing is a bit curious.
00:27:16.000Just days ahead of the start of a new administration.
00:27:21.000And the big headline here, no more fact-checking, as we've noted for the last eight years on Facebook and Instagram.
00:27:26.000Mark Zuckerberg himself is announcing these new changes for Meta, calling the recent elections a cultural tipping point, he says, towards prioritizing free speech.
00:27:35.000So this morning, he says that Meta will move away from the independent, nonpartisan fact-checking they've had in place since after the 2016 election.
00:27:43.000Did he call it independent, nonpartisan fact-checking?
00:28:13.000Was it a complex system or was it an attempt to censor opposition, shut down dissenting voices and control the narrative in favour of globalist totalitarianism?
00:28:27.000The fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US. And that's not all.
00:28:35.000Meta also plans to get rid of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender and to move their content moderation team from California to Texas.
00:29:35.000Over the next four years, the Trump administration will set federal policy in areas like AI and antitrust that are really important to Meta and these other big tech companies too. - Yeah, but I don't think it's anything to do with that.
00:29:58.000We thought that the territory of Facebook had been...
00:30:01.000Forever conquered by fact-checkers that online spaces like physical spaces were controlled by globalist resources and were fulfilling a globalist agenda.
00:30:15.000They've worked out that the world's going to be governed differently, America's going to be governed differently, that their entire business is under threat.
00:30:22.000No one knows how this is going to unfold more broadly and whether or not new elites will emerge to replace the old elites and new restrictions will be put in place and new biases will replace the old.
00:30:34.000But in terms of the trajectory of where power was heading, this is an incredible disruption and an incredible event.
00:30:42.000This is something that would have been very difficult to predict before the election, but I suppose it's...
00:30:49.000Of course Mark Zuckerberg has to refine and redirect his business model to fit in with a new administration.
00:30:56.000In a way it's heartening because whatever you believe about Trump and the MAGA movement, it at least shows you that politics is not completely insignificant.
00:31:04.000I'd reach the point where I thought that it don't matter who you vote for because globalist power is so insidious, deep and entrenched that there's nothing you can do anyway.
00:31:14.000I remember saying publicly there's no point voting.
00:31:17.000There is a point in voting now because you can see the elevation of political movements that can radically transform what were presumed to be the apex predators of global power.
00:31:29.000Big tech companies, global corporations, they're now having to reform their entire modus operandi on the basis of the will of the American people.
00:31:48.000If you're watching this on X, thank you.
00:31:50.000But you should know that our home is over on Rumble.
00:31:55.000Hey, listen, we'll be speaking to Lara Logan in a minute about January 6th, but we'll, of course, touch upon the Facebook topic and a variety of other subjects.
00:32:03.000Later this week, I'll be talking to Rob Schneider.
00:32:06.000And also, join us live tomorrow on Rumble and Rumble Premium.
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00:32:17.000We'll be breaking bread tomorrow, talking about the chosen and faith and resurgent Christianity and how the power of Christianity Okay, well, let's get Lara Logan on the show.
00:33:02.000Now, Lara, one of the things you want to talk to us about is January 6th, revelations around January 6th, but also one of the sort of more...
00:33:09.000God, sometimes I think it's an out there theory.
00:33:12.000You tell me, because there are so many things I've spoken to you about that seem outrageous.
00:33:16.000I don't know how to calibrate anymore.
00:33:18.000But the idea, some people have said, and it's kind of regarded as a sort of right-wing theory, that part of the migration crisis includes a plan to...
00:33:26.000...incorporate into various nations fighting-age men in order that at some sort of predetermined time there can be insurrections.
00:33:36.000Now, you have a comparable theory that cites as its central target American veterans.
00:33:43.000And are you saying that it's possible that even prior to the inauguration and the commencement of Trump's presidency, it's possible that we'll see some kind of threat?
00:34:01.000We know that there's been an attack in Las Vegas that doesn't add up on any level, that was blamed on a Green Beret active duty.
00:34:08.000We know that there's been an attack in New Orleans that was blamed on a military veteran.
00:34:13.000And when you look at information warfare, because we're in the midst of fifth generation warfare, which is where the information ballot space is the whole war.
00:34:24.000So U.S. military and veterans have been demonized consistently.
00:34:29.000Remember the beginning of the Biden administration when it was all about how the ranks need to be purged of all those racist Trump supporters?
00:34:36.000This actually began under Obama, who got rid of hundreds of flag offices.
00:34:41.000And at that time, I was contacted by an extraordinary number of Marines and soldiers and SEALs and others who were constantly under attack and investigation for basically doing their jobs.
00:34:54.000And these are individual stories that never made the news.
00:34:57.000But I watched in real time over the last at least 10 years as the FBI and intelligence and Homeland Security have built a narrative that the white man is the greatest threat to this country.
00:35:36.000My house is constantly filled with these people.
00:35:40.000And I have listened for more than 15 years.
00:35:46.000They believe in upholding the United States Constitution.
00:35:48.000So this idea that the military is going to be provoked into civil war, that veterans will be provoked, the problem they have is not that they will be provoked, because they have resisted provocation after provocation after provocation.
00:36:03.000The problem is that they are highly trained and disciplined.
00:36:08.000And they're taught to think for themselves and they're principled.
00:36:11.000And so if called upon to defend their communities and to defend this country against the real threat, they will not hesitate to do so.
00:36:21.000And you have more than a million veterans in the state of Texas, the state of California, the state of Florida.
00:37:09.000This is what separates us from machines and AI and robots and all that other nonsense they want to tell us is going to take over the world.
00:37:16.000You know, and so when you look at what's happened, these terrorist attacks that are taking place, there's significant acts that are happening all over the country.
00:37:24.000There's, you know, there's been fires in all different places.
00:37:27.000California now, you have to wonder, are they burning the evidence?
00:37:32.000There's a lot of evidence to get rid of in California.
00:37:35.000And you start to add up all these little events.
00:37:38.000If you're an intelligence person, your job is to look at the whole picture.
00:37:41.000And what you have across the whole picture has the hallmarks of an insurgency.
00:37:46.000Then again, I talk to about five or six different, you know, groups of intelligence analysts and operatives who are working to understand what's going on.
00:37:55.000And what they are seeing and hearing is, you know, they see the cartels, Mexican, Venezuelan and others.
00:38:02.000For the very first time, really operational, working with nation states like Iran and, of course, the Venezuelan government and the CCP and so on, and Islamic terror groups.
00:38:15.000So they're tracking a nexus of America's enemies, state adversaries with terrorist organizations from the Islamic world, the Orions, obviously the Persian world, the cartels.
00:38:27.000When you see a nexus like that, if your job is to plan for the worst, Right?
00:38:33.000That's your job as an intelligence operator.
00:38:37.000And just hope that you're going to make it through the worst if it happens.
00:38:40.000You plan for the worst, the most lethal course of action and the most likely course of action.
00:38:45.000And for a year now, I've been tracking reports of dirty bomb threats and concerns that intelligence have been monitoring and also nuclear threats that they've been monitoring.
00:38:57.000So there's a lot going on under the surface here.
00:39:00.000And what it adds up to, according to these people who are professionals, Is they see the hallmarks of an insurgency being fomented.
00:39:09.000That doesn't mean it's going to happen.
00:39:11.000There were a lot of things that were planned to disrupt the election and they didn't happen.
00:39:15.000It's because people are working diligently.
00:39:17.000People like the ones I talk to are working diligently behind the scenes to get this information to the right people and to stop these things from happening.
00:39:27.000But there's definitely a heightened level of concern right now.
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00:40:24.000Are you saying that there could be coordinated attempts...
00:40:28.000To stage a series of, inverted commas, terrorist attacks that can then be attributed to sets of domestic terrorists and then be used to delegitimize Trump's inauguration and prevent it taking place.
00:40:46.000Because I don't see, I mean, even with all of this, how would it happen?
00:41:34.000When they go into Mexico, Mexico or Colombia or any of these countries, they're going at the behest and invitation of the host nation.
00:41:42.000So they're very limited in many respects in what they can do.
00:41:46.000And when you look at a narco-terror state like Mexico that's completely run by the cartels, it's a joke.
00:41:54.000Acting like the Mexican government is a real government and the newly elected leader of Mexico, the socialists, acting like she's not doing the bidding of these cartels is really foolish at this age and stage in the game.
00:42:10.000Because you only have to look at Mexico to see the reality of what that country has become.
00:42:17.000To look at this, I'm not even sure that the inauguration really matters at this point.
00:42:21.000I believe it's more symbolic than anything else, because you've had the January 6th, the very significant legal recognition of the election results has taken place.
00:42:35.000So, in a sense, part of the inauguration is just for show.
00:42:40.000So it really, in one sense, it doesn't matter if the inauguration happens or not.
00:43:01.000So we know they're infiltrated throughout the government, throughout every agency.
00:43:05.000The deep state is actually something called the Senior Executive Service, the SES. It is a layer of bureaucracy that is outside of the accountability of Congress that awards itself its own salaries.
00:43:35.000That they've literally committed real crimes.
00:43:38.000So not the kind of conspiracy that they throw out in the papers or on TV. A seditious conspiracy under the laws of treason and sedition, where they conspired with each other to undermine a legally elected president, the will of the people, the Constitution.
00:44:16.000If the violence doesn't begin until Donald Trump gets into office, then everyone will say Donald Trump brought with him pain, death, suffering, chaos.
00:44:39.000I see what you're offering us, Lara Logan.
00:44:42.000A slap around the face, a glass, a cold glass of water straight between the eyes to waken us up from the idea that perhaps the election and inauguration of Donald Trump, as well as Elon Musk's increasing global influence and ability to cause as well as Elon Musk's increasing global influence and ability to cause such extraordinary new conversations, even in the United Kingdom, might be the beginning of the rise of new populism and with it
00:45:10.000I was very struck, Lara, by Mark Zuckerberg's recent Mia Culpa fact checkers as censors video.
00:45:19.000Oh, well, what this means is even the largest big tech platforms and all of their extraordinary power, which I liken to the power of drug cartels in Mexican democracy, based on what you just told me, that even they are able to pivot, reorganize, put Dana White that even they are able to pivot, reorganize, put Dana White on the board, slap on a bit of lipstick and a little bit of eyeshadow and present themselves as an entirely different
00:45:47.000I've been, before our conversation, wondering how deep state power would maneuver in the advent of a new government who may have flaws...
00:45:57.000And maybe far from perfect in a number of ways, but certainly represent a disruption in the New World Order trajectory that we've been witnessing since, you know, since 2020 at very least.
00:46:09.000So you're saying that how this will play out will be through a series of ongoing deep state...
00:46:16.000...and activities that you don't feel will be weeded out, controlled, eliminated, prevented or curtailed by the power of the new administration.
00:46:26.000You're saying there will continue to be sets of powers that are beyond the reach, remit and control of the incoming government?
00:47:00.000all around them now what they have many many benefits today that they didn't have in 2016 right because first and foremost you have a population you have people like yourself with millions of followers and you have a population that is saying no we're not buying it like when they put that Nonsense email out from the Green Beret in Las Vegas who somehow was planning to make it to the Mexico border but shot himself in the head and blew himself up.
00:47:27.000I mean, people are calling them out, right?
00:49:23.000So there's going to be a massive push in the media.
00:49:25.000And then at the same time, there's going to be people around the president in his inner circle inside those agencies, those bureaucrats who are going to undermine, undermine, undermine, wear away at people's confidence.
00:49:37.000Then there'll be attacks on the people inside of his administration.
00:49:41.000I mean, the kind of people that you're talking about, Russell.
00:49:45.000If they have to drown someone in the river to say, look, someone drowned in the river because of Donald Trump, they're quite capable of doing that kind of thing.
00:49:53.000You know, you can't underestimate what you're up against.
00:49:56.000But I never, ever forget that what really lifts us up and holds us together, our humanity, the things that make us great, we know that when we work together, what happened over the last election?
00:50:11.000Black people, Hispanic, white Americans, everybody said, we don't care.
00:50:16.000We don't care about your false narrative.
00:50:49.000History is replete with examples like this.
00:50:52.000What did Nelson Mandela do when he was in prison?
00:50:55.000You know, when he was offered freedom over and over and over again, but on certain conditions that it would have undermined the principles that he stood for.
00:52:15.000Every single thing I have in my body, every single day, I give to this.
00:52:20.000When I go to bed at night, I am broken, tired, right?
00:52:24.000I give everything I can every day, and some days, you know...
00:52:27.000I'm far from perfect, and I feel like I never did enough.
00:52:30.000But at the end of the day, when you feel overwhelmed, you just got to know that God's got it.
00:52:36.000Surely these examples of heroism are always inspiring to hear of and the principle of self-sacrifice and self-sacrifice is the highest order and that our king's great power was not his power of dominion but his power to sacrifice himself is the highest principle around which we might order ourselves.
00:52:54.000In a culture that has sanitized, diminished or elsewise obscured the power of Jesus Christ it's easy to get lost in the morass and stimulation of individualism, the pursuit of pleasure, the pursuit of personal glory.
00:53:11.000What I have felt up until the election was the type of tyrannical power of which God's.
00:53:19.000We had to be most alert and about which we had to be most concerned was a kind of sanitized and bureaucratic technological feudalism that using the language of care had extracted God from public life and maybe even from their human heart and had given us instead a pantheon of false idols, whether they were technological, ideological, commodities, icons and celebrities.
00:53:46.000Now, I'm very curious as to see how this MAGA stroke Maha movement will govern.
00:53:53.000I'm fascinated to see how these new emergent sovereigns like Elon Musk will influence politics across the world and what their shortcomings will be because they are...
00:54:04.000Ultimately, human beings and the type of reverence and zeal that you're discussing has only one proper destination, that of devotion and dedication to the one true God.
00:54:17.000I suppose, just getting back into my work this year, I'm noticing, oh right, the EU are pursuing and attempting to shut down Elon Musk, while I see other people on the periphery say that, well, Elon Musk is like an oligarch and the world's richest man, and has all sorts of personal agendas.
00:54:36.000And what's interesting talking to you, Lara, is because you sort of operate on the edge of prophecy, as well as within journalism, Interested to see now how dark power will reorder and reorganise now that there has been this rupture.
00:54:55.000Because I think after 2020 and the various lawsuits, most people didn't imagine there would be another Trump administration.
00:55:02.000And a significant number of people had been seduced by the idea that Trump was an entirely malign individual.
00:55:15.000Of this administration comes about somewhat because of figures like Bobby Kennedy and just learning more deeply and getting a greater understanding of how malign these kind of institutions that were in government, the Labour Party in my country, the Democrats in the United States of America.
00:55:34.000That's where my perspective came from.
00:55:40.000As Christians, we have to look to people that are willing to sacrifice themselves.
00:55:44.000And I think perhaps now, if we have a government that's not directly opposed to the interests of the people that they have been elected to govern, it'll be interesting to see how evil is manifest, whether it's manifest within those governments, whether it's manifest within institutions outside of government, and how...
00:56:05.000America, in particular, is going to respond because I can see that outside of America, they are looking for ways to control and shut down free speech and ensure that populist uprisings elsewhere are assuaged.
00:56:20.000They're still looking for that inside America.
00:56:22.000They'll shut down free speech the moment they can.
00:56:25.000And you know what you said about Elon Musk?
00:57:05.000Facebook was created by DARPA and the CIA. It is one of the world's largest, most successful collection systems because people agree to be surveilled and they provide you the material.
00:57:17.000They open the doors and let you come in.
00:57:19.000You know, I mean, all of technology does this.
00:57:23.000So, you know, what have we seen throughout human history that when extraordinary power is concentrated in the hands of one man or one woman, it rarely works out well.
00:57:33.000And we are heading into a world where we have less and less and less control, even our cell phones.
00:57:39.000You know, I tried to call someone today and it told me this, you know, the person you're dialing is restricted.
00:57:45.000You are not allowed to make calls to this phone.
00:57:49.000They can literally, all the access that you believe technology gives you, to the internet, to information, to this, to your bank account, can all be turned off anytime they want.
00:58:34.000And those two things are going to have to somehow, you're going to have to take the good from this and you're going to have to, you know, adjust for the weaknesses of this in order to give birth to something that's going to withstand all of these forces.
00:58:48.000Because everything that destroyed legacy media is already at work trying to destroy independent media.
00:58:53.000You know, I mean, don't fool yourselves that anyone is immune.
00:58:59.000They don't have cover financially, most of them, and they don't have, you know, they don't have teams of people and lawyers and support behind them.
00:59:06.000So, you know, how difficult is it going to be to take them out one by one by one?
00:59:10.000You know, not that hard, quite frankly.
00:59:13.000So this is an interesting time to see what rises out of it, Russell.
00:59:17.000And I know we're probably out of time, but it would be remiss of me to leave you without saying perhaps one of the darkest...
00:59:25.000One of the darkest moments that we have witnessed in the last few years is the selective, intentional, targeted persecution of American citizens who went to the Capitol on January 6th.
00:59:43.000On that, investigating, I found the most unbelievable stories all across this country.
00:59:49.000Extraordinary people, many of whom had very little, many who'd never seen the Capitol in their lives before, had never been to Washington, D.C. And they took their savings.
00:59:58.000They'd spent money they couldn't really afford to go there and be a voice for everybody else.
01:00:07.000There's people like the Oath Keepers sentenced to, you know, years and years and years in prison for something that is completely fabricated.
01:00:15.000And it was designed to cover up a stolen election.
01:00:18.000And it was meant to suppress that populist voice you talk about.
01:01:39.000Everything they face will be trying to stall them and derail their agenda and cause infighting and disable them.
01:01:45.000And the true test, what the people can do, what this populist movement can do with its voice, you know, they can speak up because that cacophony of sound and support.
01:01:59.000That will be the cover that gives these people, these leaders, the courage they need to move forward.
01:02:06.000Lara Logan, tell us your comeback every week and beguile us and dazzle us with insights and prophecy.
01:02:18.000It's going to be a challenge, Lara, but with the kind of tenacity, like two Nelson Mandelas, we will serve our time graciously.
01:02:27.000Laura, thank you so much for coming on.
01:02:30.000Thank you for that and we will provide links to the work you've done on the January 6th stories and thank you very much for your time and we'll see you again next week, Laura.
01:02:43.000Well, thank you, Lara Logan, for joining us today, and thank you for being a member of our community.
01:02:49.000Remember, we'll be back tomorrow with Dallas Jenkins at 9.30 Central Time, that's 10.30 Eastern Time, for a conversation about The Chosen and Christianity.
01:02:59.000Rob Schneider will be with us on Thursday, and we'll be back tomorrow, not for more of the same, but more of the different.