Stay Free - Russel Brand - Deep State Exposed: Veterans in the Crosshairs – SF518

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:03:28.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:03:30.000 Thanks for joining us for a whole new year.

00:03:33.000 It's 2025. It's a new schedule for us.

00:03:36.000 We're saying goodbye to a lot of people this year.

00:03:39.000 We're saying goodbye to Kamala Harris.

00:03:40.000 We're saying goodbye to Joe Biden.

00:03:42.000 We're saying hello to Facebook because Facebook won't be censoring political content.

00:03:48.000 And we now know that fact-checkers were just another word for censors.

00:03:53.000 They weren't checking facts.

00:03:54.000 They were censoring inconvenient information.

00:03:57.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if we can ever forgive Mark Zuckerberg for that.

00:04:03.000 Someone should fact...

00:04:04.000 Check the way that the syllables of his name roll off of the tongue.

00:04:09.000 We're going to be talking to Lara Logan a little later on the show about January 6th.

00:04:13.000 And now, with our four days a week schedule, we're providing additional content on Rumble Premium.

00:04:18.000 Don't worry, if you're on Awaken Wonder on Locals, you still get everything there.

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00:04:32.000 We've got Lara Logan coming up later talking about January 6th.

00:04:35.000 We've got Rob Schneider coming on the show on Thursday.

00:04:37.000 And tomorrow, if you are a Rumble Premium subscriber and a Locals member, I'll be talking to the creator of The Chosen, Dallas Jenkins, who tells me that he and his wife...

00:04:50.000 Predicted my coming to faith.

00:04:53.000 It's going to be an extraordinary conversation.

00:04:54.000 We'll talk about the relevance of Christianity in contemporary culture and what appears to be a Christian revival and the likely shape of Christianity in the new formation of the coming government.

00:05:08.000 So that's me and Dallas Jenkins tomorrow.

00:05:11.000 Certainly a Christian revival seems to have taken hold in Five Guys.

00:05:15.000 Have a look at this.

00:05:16.000 I just wondered, I can't just see it on the menu, but where do I get the five guys from?

00:05:20.000 The?

00:05:21.000 What?

00:05:22.000 The five guys.

00:05:23.000 I didn't know if it was like a special rumour you can take me out back.

00:05:27.000 No, I don't think that's a problem.

00:05:28.000 What, but after your shift?

00:05:30.000 I mean, I'd want to give you a good rating.

00:05:34.000 I'm a Christian man and I'm watching myself.

00:05:36.000 I'm asking for what's on the menu, that's all.

00:05:39.000 Genuinely, I feel like I'm doing it right now.

00:05:40.000 I can hold you on the menu if you want.

00:05:44.000 Oh, that's a shame.

00:05:47.000 It's just, that's really English, isn't it?

00:05:50.000 While my country appears to be falling apart, while the Labour government is in disarray, while the grooming gang scandals fracture the nation, at least people have some moral fortitude when propositioned in a fast food restaurant.

00:06:07.000 That's...

00:06:08.000 Pretty encouraging.

00:06:09.000 It's a new year, but some things simply haven't changed.

00:06:12.000 Dozens of Congress folk are still beating the stock market.

00:06:16.000 You're still better off just copying Nancy Pelosi rather than getting financial advice from global professionals.

00:06:24.000 Now it's time for our main story.

00:06:26.000 Our content will once again be back.

00:06:28.000 On Facebook, we've got to assume that there will still be some fact-checking, which we now know is a synonym for censoring.

00:06:35.000 Meta says that fact-checkers were the problem.

00:06:37.000 Fact-checkers rule that to be false.

00:06:40.000 So let's have a look now at what the Facebook fact-checking was about.

00:06:45.000 Are we at the beginning of a new era when it comes to censorship and communication?

00:06:51.000 What does it mean now that Dana White is on the board at Meta?

00:06:56.000 What does it mean?

00:06:57.000 Now that fact-checking is being revealed to be what many of us suspected it always was, censorship and control.

00:07:04.000 Let's have a look at this article.

00:07:06.000 Mark Zuckerberg has a new message, this time with a promise to restore free expression across Meta's platforms.

00:07:13.000 With a new plan to phase out third-party fact-checkers and replace them with a community-driven system, Zuckerberg says he's putting the power back in the hands of users, a bit like Community Notes over on X. Meta's

00:07:47.000 This fact-checking program introduced in the wake of the 2016 election to combat misinformation became a lightning rod for criticism.

00:07:56.000 The idea was simple.

00:07:57.000 Enlist third-party experts to separate facts from fiction.

00:08:01.000 The execution, well, let's just say it left a lot to be desired.

00:08:04.000 For a company that spent the last few years bending over backwards to appease the Biden administration, the pivot is stark.

00:08:10.000 Gone are the days of aggressive content moderation aimed at stifling misinformation about COVID-19 or election integrity.

00:08:16.000 A noble sentiment if you ignore Meta's cosy relationship with those very same regimes whenever it's convenient.

00:08:22.000 But there's history here.

00:08:24.000 Meta's decision to ban then-President Donald Trump in January 2021 was more than an act of content moderation.

00:08:29.000 It was a seismic event in the digital age's ongoing battle over free speech and platform power.

00:08:35.000 Coming in the aftermath of the January 6th Capitol riot, Facebook's decision to bar Trump from its platform marked the first time a sitting US president was silenced by a social media giant.

00:08:45.000 Meta cited Trump's posts as violations of his policies against inciting violence, but the move left the nation divided, sparking applause from critics and outrage from free speech advocates.

00:08:56.000 At the time, Zuckerberg defended the decision as necessary to prevent further violence, yet the ban, initially temporary, morphed into an indefinite society.

00:09:05.000 of suspension.

00:09:05.000 When Facebook's oversight board, a body meta itself created to add legitimacy to decisions reviewed the case, it upheld the suspension but scolded meta failing to outline clear standards for banning political leaders.

00:09:17.000 This lack of consistency added fuel to the fire, intensifying criticism of Facebook's opaque decision making and amplifying concerns about tech platforms unchecked power over political discourse.

00:09:29.000 It's actually not been that long since Facebook banned Donald Trump and since all of us and people in my community and people that use the sort of independent media that you're used to came to regard Facebook as just a place for families and the elderly.

00:09:44.000 I don't use Facebook especially anymore.

00:09:47.000 So let me know in the comments and chat, do you see this as a rebranding exercise or do you see this as a return Hey everyone.

00:09:57.000 Let's see Mark Zuckerberg himself addressing these issues and let's try to determine the following.

00:10:05.000 Is it just that Meta is an international big tech platform and will do what is financially expedient?

00:10:11.000 Is it that we're experiencing a seismic political shift around the world?

00:10:16.000 Is it that Mark Zuckerberg has had some radical change of heart?

00:10:19.000 Are we witnessing a new era of free speech and open communication?

00:10:23.000 And all of the powers that were coalescing around neoliberal centre-left parties that now appear to be in decline and disarray with the resignation of Trudeau, the British Labour government in total despair and meltdown and the victory of Trump in the United States of America.

00:10:42.000 Where is all that power now going to situate itself and how will it be expressed?

00:10:47.000 Let's have a look at Mark Zuckerberg.

00:10:51.000 I want to talk about something important today, because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram.

00:11:01.000 I started building social media to give people a voice.

00:11:04.000 I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago about the importance of protecting free expression, and I still believe this today.

00:11:11.000 But a lot has happened over the last several years.

00:11:13.000 There's been widespread debate about potential harms from online content.

00:11:18.000 Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more.

00:11:21.000 A lot of this is clearly political.

00:11:23.000 But there's also a lot of legitimately bad stuff out there.

00:11:27.000 Drugs, terrorism, child exploitation.

00:11:29.000 These are things that we take very seriously and I want to make sure that we handle responsibly.

00:11:34.000 It's interesting really because the online space is perhaps best regarded in the way that you might regard.

00:11:42.000 It's like a territory.

00:11:43.000 It's like a nation, a state, a town, or a county.

00:11:46.000 And in any nation, state, town, or county, you will experience the malign as well as the benevolent.

00:11:53.000 So, of course, online there are legitimate reasons for concern.

00:11:57.000 There is child exploitation.

00:11:58.000 There is pornography.

00:12:00.000 There is terrorism.

00:12:01.000 And there are all, and by the way, there are conversations about most of those subjects.

00:12:05.000 You know, like part of the cultural divisions that we've been experiencing so starkly, because...

00:12:10.000 Some people see things that we regard as child exploitation as...

00:12:16.000 Potentially appropriate fashion imagery and symbols.

00:12:20.000 And when it comes to terrorism, there are some people that regard terrorists as freedom fighters.

00:12:24.000 One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

00:12:26.000 And when it comes to drugs, there are people that say that we should have free access to drugs.

00:12:29.000 So every single one of the bullet points listed there have complex moral arguments around them.

00:12:35.000 I guess the issue is, who is the arbiter of morality in each of those subjects?

00:12:40.000 And where do you derive your political and moral authority from?

00:12:45.000 Particularly if you are ultimately a secularist, rationalist, individualist and materialist who believe that humankind are the apex of authority and power.

00:12:55.000 So quickly, while Mark Zuckerberg appears to be positioned himself as a person who's just trying to ride his way through the rhythms and tides of an ever-shifting culture, and perhaps that's legitimate and true, I don't know Mark Zuckerberg's heart.

00:13:10.000 Maybe he is someone who's just trying his best.

00:13:11.000 Perhaps he is just like, you know, he is...

00:13:14.000 Ultimately, I suppose, just a human being who invented something that became phenomenally successful and relevant and significant and ultimately a tool of political, corporate and commercial power.

00:13:25.000 And now he, like all of us, is just trying to operate within those systems.

00:13:29.000 The challenge, I reckon, comes when we seek...

00:13:33.000 Two, regulate any of these spaces.

00:13:36.000 Mark Zuckerberg's clearly moved from kowtowing, as that article in Reclaim the Net said, to Biden and centrists and globalists, and is now repoing himself, at the most political level it looks like, and the most obvious level, let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with this, with new and resurgent nationalist right-wing powers and authority.

00:13:58.000 But ultimately, though, where is a true and reliable authority that's not going to come and go with each administration, with each election?

00:14:09.000 So we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content.

00:14:13.000 But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes.

00:14:16.000 Even if they accidentally censor just 1% of posts, that's millions of people.

00:14:22.000 That was never the issue, wasn't it?

00:14:23.000 The issue was never that they might accidentally censor 1% of posts.

00:14:27.000 It was deliberately censoring people that were talking about vaccine harms.

00:14:33.000 It was controlling the conversation around COVID. It was censoring ultimately all political material.

00:14:39.000 Do you remember the day?

00:14:40.000 When Instagram just flicked the switch, where it said, unless you flick this switch, you won't see any political content.

00:14:48.000 That's very different, actually, from what Mark Zuckerberg is describing.

00:14:53.000 Complex systems might inadvertently cause censorship.

00:14:56.000 It was a deliberate choice to censor.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, this is brilliant.

00:15:00.000 Let me know what you think in the comments, but I see this.

00:15:03.000 As an aggressive rebrand, as their recognition that, oh my god, it hasn't worked.

00:15:08.000 This experiment, this move towards globalism and totalitarianism under the auspices of care and concern, which reached its apex and zenith in the COVID-19 era, where, if you look at it just as a sort of a simple template, oh no, there's a really dangerous situation, we have to protect you, therefore take this medicine, stay inside your home, wear that mask, stay six feet apart.

00:15:32.000 Don't look at that news.

00:15:34.000 We're censoring that information.

00:15:35.000 Don't listen to Joe Rogan.

00:15:36.000 That has failed.

00:15:38.000 It's failed.

00:15:39.000 It's over.

00:15:40.000 And now, obviously, there are attempts to malign the voices that support this kind of liberty and this kind of free speech, which, by the way, does have complex components to it.

00:15:51.000 And we've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship.

00:15:56.000 The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech.

00:16:02.000 So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes.

00:16:06.000 I mean, that's pretty amazing, isn't it?

00:16:07.000 The reason elections seem to suggest that people don't like this anymore and the people that do like it aren't in positions to grant big contracts.

00:16:15.000 Simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platforms.

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00:16:27.000 More specifically, here's what we're going to do.

00:16:30.000 First, we're going to get rid of fact-checkers and replace them with community notes, similar to X. Get out of here, you fact-checkers!

00:16:40.000 The jigs up!

00:16:41.000 People have realized that what you're actually doing is not checking facts, but censoring inconvenient information.

00:16:47.000 And now, is he literally about to say, we're going to do what they do on X, and I'm going to be a bit more like Elon Musk.

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00:18:05.000 Starting in the US. After Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy.

00:18:15.000 We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth.

00:18:20.000 They did become the arbiters of truth.

00:18:23.000 But the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US.

00:18:29.000 So over the next couple of months...

00:18:32.000 Look at this.

00:18:32.000 Meta's handling of COVID-19 content moderation will likely go down as one of the most contentious chapters in its history and not without reason.

00:18:39.000 As the pandemic unfolded, the company enacted some of its strict policies yet targeting what it labelled as misinformation.

00:18:45.000 Posts were flagged, discussion suppressed, and claims outside official narratives were summarily removed.

00:18:51.000 While Meta argued these measures were crucial for public safety, we all saw something far more troubling.

00:18:56.000 We're going to phase in a more comprehensive community note system.

00:19:00.000 Second, We're going to simplify our content policies and get rid of a bunch of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender that are just out of touch with mainstream discourse.

00:19:11.000 Wow, this is significant, isn't it?

00:19:13.000 This is more than AOC removing the pronouns from the buyer.

00:19:17.000 This is a massive, significant cultural shift.

00:19:21.000 If you see the impact that Elon Musk is having on American politics and British politics...

00:19:27.000 Primarily as a result, yes, of his financial power and political relationships, but let's face it, because he is the owner and arbiter of X's...

00:19:36.000 Online content presence and discourse.

00:19:40.000 Now that Mark Zuckerberg is saying we're not doing that stuff anymore, the world's going to change rapidly and radically.

00:19:46.000 As we continually say on this show, the old elites and centralised powers have lost control as a result of technological change, and the new elites are formulating, and now we're watching it in real time, working out how they are going to manage the new political space.

00:20:06.000 What started as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly been used to shut down opinions and shut out people with different ideas, and it's gone too far.

00:20:15.000 Wow, that's so incredible, isn't it?

00:20:17.000 Would you have imagined two or three years ago that you'd be seeing this when people were getting cancelled for saying stuff?

00:20:23.000 It got really, really out of hand.

00:20:25.000 And look at it, it's like over.

00:20:26.000 It was just a trend.

00:20:28.000 So I want to make sure that people can share their beliefs and experiences on our platforms.

00:20:33.000 Third.

00:20:34.000 We're changing how we enforce our policies to reduce the mistakes that account for the vast majority of censorship on our platforms.

00:20:42.000 We used to have filters that scanned for any policy violation.

00:20:46.000 Now we're going to focus those filters on tackling illegal and high severity violations.

00:20:51.000 And for lower severity violations, we're going to rely on someone reporting an issue before we take action.

00:20:57.000 The problem is that the filters make mistakes, and they take down a lot of content that they shouldn't.

00:21:02.000 Those bloody filters writing a letter to Anthony Fauci and telling him if he wanted anything removed from our platform.

00:21:09.000 It was the filters that did that.

00:21:12.000 Those bloody filters, they did January 6th.

00:21:15.000 Them bloody filters, they released a bunch of viruses from the Wuhan laboratory. 0.98

00:21:21.000 It's the filters!

00:21:22.000 So by dialing them back, we're going to dramatically reduce the amount of censorship on our platforms.

00:21:28.000 We're also going to tune our content filters to require much higher confidence before taking down content.

00:21:35.000 The reality is that this is a trade-off.

00:21:37.000 It means we're going to catch less bad stuff, but we'll also reduce the number of innocent people's posts and accounts that we accidentally take down.

00:21:46.000 Fourth, we're bringing back civic content.

00:21:49.000 For a while, the community asked to see less politics because it was making people stressed.

00:21:53.000 "Can we see less politics?

00:21:55.000 It's making people stressed!

00:21:57.000 Could you lock us in our home?

00:21:59.000 Being outside is making us stressed!

00:22:01.000 Can you tell me what to think?

00:22:03.000 It's making me stressed!" This is an extraordinary pivot from Mark Zuckerberg and an indication of a globally shifting culture.

00:22:12.000 In a sense, what the 2025 election of Trump represents is the end of the movement towards global totalitarianism.

00:22:22.000 I don't think it means...

00:22:24.000 The end of evil.

00:22:25.000 And I don't think it means the end of technological feudalism.

00:22:28.000 I'm sure there's all sorts of ways that power can manoeuvre to ensure that you are captured.

00:22:33.000 And I'm certainly not suggesting that the Trump administration is without flaws.

00:22:38.000 But because I happen to have personal experience of a number of high-up officials within that movement, I feel like personally qualified to say that the way that, for example, big pharma and health, free speech and censorship will be handled will be a...

00:22:52.000 Significant improvement on how it was being handled under the previous administration.

00:22:58.000 And I think the genuflecting fluctuations and apoplexy in the UK is an indication that this mood and this movement will spread.

00:23:10.000 And watching Mark Zuckerberg bend the knee and offer a mea culpa, let's take it in good faith as like, oh, Mark Zuckerberg has realised that he was heading in the wrong direction, or perhaps it's just a politically What we as a global community can take from it is that the world has changed.

00:23:35.000 That that particular era is over.

00:23:37.000 You can't diagnose whether or not this is going to be a glorious new golden age for free speech and freedom more generally.

00:23:44.000 But the old power doesn't have the tenacious grip upon the throat of the population it had a little while ago.

00:23:51.000 Here's Chris Pavlovsky, Rumble CEO on X.

00:23:54.000 Talk is cheap.

00:23:55.000 Same with Daily Wire.

00:23:56.000 We were literally number one informational source on Facebook before censorship decreased our reach by 90%.

00:24:01.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:24:03.000 I wonder how it's going to impact platforms that have built their...

00:24:07.000 Platforms like Rumble and X are all about free speech.

00:24:10.000 If Facebook becomes a free speech platform, will you start using it again?

00:24:13.000 Again, let me know in the comments and chat.

00:24:16.000 When you see people that were, generally speaking, on the rise prior to the MAGA election of 2025, do you see that you are, do you feel so much like you're looking at ghosts or twitching corpses?

00:24:31.000 Here's Joy Reid, who's pretty distressed about Facebook's repositioning.

00:24:38.000 Why would conservatives think fact-checking is biased against them?

00:24:44.000 I mean, what are you sharing if you keep getting fact-checked?

00:24:49.000 For false information.

00:24:53.000 Think about it.

00:24:54.000 What were conservatives sharing on Meta that was getting flagged so much?

00:24:59.000 COVID? War between Russia and Ukraine?

00:25:03.000 Are they spreading false information?

00:25:08.000 Hunter Biden laptop?

00:25:11.000 Russiagate was made up?

00:25:13.000 And why were they so eager?

00:25:15.000 And why are Republicans in general so eager?

00:25:17.000 Adverse events?

00:25:19.000 To end the idea of fact checking.

00:25:21.000 What are they trying to share?

00:25:24.000 What is the motivation for not wanting it to be fact checked?

00:25:28.000 It's not Republicans, though, is it?

00:25:30.000 It's Mark Zuckerberg.

00:25:31.000 And in a sense, what this shows you is there's a massive political shift and ultimately companies like Meta will have to follow the money and go, Dana White, would you like to be on the board?

00:25:41.000 It's a massive repoing.

00:25:43.000 And in a way, things had got out of hand, hadn't they?

00:25:47.000 Crazily and insanely out of hand.

00:25:50.000 What do I envisage as being the next significant shift?

00:25:53.000 Hopefully, people in government will confine themselves to managing Sounds like a good way to proceed.

00:26:08.000 Let's see what Glenn Greenwald's saying about it.

00:26:10.000 There's panic in self-annointed disinformation and fact-checking groups that have coerced big tech to pay them to dictate which political ideas which must be removed.

00:26:18.000 The post-2016 financing of censorship industrial complex bought power and profit for the Facebook won't pay anymore.

00:26:24.000 Amazing.

00:26:25.000 You know what's fascinating is that groups like CRISP and Logically AI were involved when I was attacked in September 2023 and ensuring that those stories were handled in ways that were maximally impactful and, what do I want to say, effective in diminishing my impact online.

00:26:44.000 So I know about the groups that Glenn Green Meanwhile, a major announcement this morning from Meta.

00:26:58.000 Meta, the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp.

00:27:01.000 In a video posted on his platforms today, CEO Mark Zuckerberg announcing big changes to the company's Fact-checking policy.

00:27:10.000 NBC's senior Washington correspondent Hallie Jackson joins us now with more on this.

00:27:14.000 And Hallie, the timing is a bit curious.

00:27:16.000 Just days ahead of the start of a new administration.

00:27:19.000 Yeah, that's right, Craig.

00:27:20.000 Good morning to you.

00:27:21.000 And the big headline here, no more fact-checking, as we've noted for the last eight years on Facebook and Instagram.

00:27:26.000 Mark Zuckerberg himself is announcing these new changes for Meta, calling the recent elections a cultural tipping point, he says, towards prioritizing free speech.

00:27:35.000 So this morning, he says that Meta will move away from the independent, nonpartisan fact-checking they've had in place since after the 2016 election.

00:27:43.000 Did he call it independent, nonpartisan fact-checking?

00:27:45.000 Is that what he was called?

00:27:46.000 Instead, he says, they'll rely on...

00:27:48.000 In other words, users putting out context.

00:27:52.000 This is similar to what X is doing.

00:27:53.000 Whales are indeed mammals.

00:27:55.000 Look at the example.

00:27:57.000 A tomato is a fruit, not a vegetable.

00:28:00.000 Don't you dare mention that that injection gave you myocarditis.

00:28:04.000 Zuckerberg says Meta's complex moderation system makes too many mistakes with too much censorship.

00:28:10.000 It's the complex system.

00:28:11.000 It's the complex system that did it.

00:28:13.000 Was it a complex system or was it an attempt to censor opposition, shut down dissenting voices and control the narrative in favour of globalist totalitarianism?

00:28:27.000 The fact-checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US. And that's not all.

00:28:35.000 Meta also plans to get rid of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender and to move their content moderation team from California to Texas.

00:28:43.000 Oh my god!

00:28:45.000 They've actually overdone it!

00:28:49.000 You can't get the hell out of California!

00:28:52.000 We're going to Texas, mama!

00:28:54.000 Do you know what I like?

00:28:55.000 I like hot sauce, firing guns, driving around in a Ram Longhorn, and I loathe immigration. 1.00

00:29:02.000 And what are your pronouns?

00:29:04.000 I don't have pronouns.

00:29:06.000 Among other things, you reference the timing.

00:29:08.000 This is all happening less than two weeks before President-elect Trump is sworn in.

00:29:11.000 And as Zuckerberg and some of these other tech titans appear to- That is unbelievable.

00:29:15.000 We're going to Texas!

00:29:17.000 Like the Beverly Hillbillies in reverse, just loading up and heading to Texas right now.

00:29:23.000 ...be looking to make inroads with the incoming administration.

00:29:26.000 After Mr. Trump's win in November, Zuckerberg, remember, traveled to Mar-a-Lago.

00:29:30.000 his company donated a million dollars to the Trump inaugural fund.

00:29:34.000 Keep in mind the backdrop here.

00:29:35.000 Over the next four years, the Trump administration will set federal policy in areas like AI and antitrust that are really important to Meta and these other big tech companies too. - Yeah, but I don't think it's anything to do with that.

00:29:45.000 It's just those complex systems.

00:29:47.000 That's amazing. 1.00

00:29:48.000 Put on your Stetson, load up your sick shooter, and get your ass to Texas right now. 1.00

00:29:56.000 Unbelievable. 1.00

00:29:57.000 So there you have it.

00:29:58.000 We thought that the territory of Facebook had been...

00:30:01.000 Forever conquered by fact-checkers that online spaces like physical spaces were controlled by globalist resources and were fulfilling a globalist agenda.

00:30:13.000 That's all radically changed.

00:30:15.000 They've worked out that the world's going to be governed differently, America's going to be governed differently, that their entire business is under threat.

00:30:22.000 No one knows how this is going to unfold more broadly and whether or not new elites will emerge to replace the old elites and new restrictions will be put in place and new biases will replace the old.

00:30:34.000 But in terms of the trajectory of where power was heading, this is an incredible disruption and an incredible event.

00:30:42.000 This is something that would have been very difficult to predict before the election, but I suppose it's...

00:30:48.000 Absolutely obvious.

00:30:49.000 Of course Mark Zuckerberg has to refine and redirect his business model to fit in with a new administration.

00:30:56.000 In a way it's heartening because whatever you believe about Trump and the MAGA movement, it at least shows you that politics is not completely insignificant.

00:31:04.000 I'd reach the point where I thought that it don't matter who you vote for because globalist power is so insidious, deep and entrenched that there's nothing you can do anyway.

00:31:14.000 I remember saying publicly there's no point voting.

00:31:17.000 Well then...

00:31:17.000 There is a point in voting now because you can see the elevation of political movements that can radically transform what were presumed to be the apex predators of global power.

00:31:29.000 Big tech companies, global corporations, they're now having to reform their entire modus operandi on the basis of the will of the American people.

00:31:40.000 Imagine that.

00:31:41.000 How extraordinary.

00:31:43.000 If you're watching this on Facebook, hey, welcome back!

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00:31:55.000 Hey, listen, we'll be speaking to Lara Logan in a minute about January 6th, but we'll, of course, touch upon the Facebook topic and a variety of other subjects.

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00:32:17.000 We'll be breaking bread tomorrow, talking about the chosen and faith and resurgent Christianity and how the power of Christianity Okay, well, let's get Lara Logan on the show.

00:32:38.000 Right.

00:32:38.000 Lara Logan, thanks so much for joining us today.

00:32:41.000 Our regular weekly correspondent, Lara Logan.

00:32:44.000 You look absolutely magnificent.

00:32:45.000 I can see there's still Christmas decorations in the general background.

00:32:49.000 Get them out of here. 0.99

00:32:50.000 Heretic, heretic, blasphemer. 0.98

00:32:53.000 Repent, repent. 0.90

00:32:55.000 They're exposing me now as a bad mother.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, get...

00:33:00.000 This under some kind of control.

00:33:02.000 Now, Lara, one of the things you want to talk to us about is January 6th, revelations around January 6th, but also one of the sort of more...

00:33:09.000 God, sometimes I think it's an out there theory.

00:33:12.000 You tell me, because there are so many things I've spoken to you about that seem outrageous.

00:33:16.000 I don't know how to calibrate anymore.

00:33:18.000 But the idea, some people have said, and it's kind of regarded as a sort of right-wing theory, that part of the migration crisis includes a plan to...

00:33:26.000 ...incorporate into various nations fighting-age men in order that at some sort of predetermined time there can be insurrections.

00:33:36.000 Now, you have a comparable theory that cites as its central target American veterans.

00:33:43.000 And are you saying that it's possible that even prior to the inauguration and the commencement of Trump's presidency, it's possible that we'll see some kind of threat?

00:33:54.000 And what is that threat?

00:33:55.000 What does it center around American veterans?

00:33:59.000 Okay, I look at what do we know?

00:34:01.000 We know that there's been an attack in Las Vegas that doesn't add up on any level, that was blamed on a Green Beret active duty.

00:34:08.000 We know that there's been an attack in New Orleans that was blamed on a military veteran.

00:34:13.000 And when you look at information warfare, because we're in the midst of fifth generation warfare, which is where the information ballot space is the whole war.

00:34:21.000 What you see is consistent themes.

00:34:24.000 So U.S. military and veterans have been demonized consistently.

00:34:29.000 Remember the beginning of the Biden administration when it was all about how the ranks need to be purged of all those racist Trump supporters?

00:34:36.000 This actually began under Obama, who got rid of hundreds of flag offices.

00:34:41.000 And at that time, I was contacted by an extraordinary number of Marines and soldiers and SEALs and others who were constantly under attack and investigation for basically doing their jobs.

00:34:54.000 And these are individual stories that never made the news.

00:34:57.000 But I watched in real time over the last at least 10 years as the FBI and intelligence and Homeland Security have built a narrative that the white man is the greatest threat to this country.

00:35:09.000 And the subset of that...

00:35:11.000 Of course, there's your military veterans.

00:35:13.000 And why are they so preoccupied with demonizing people who really are heroic in many ways?

00:35:22.000 They have sacrificed everything to serve their country.

00:35:26.000 These are people who believe in the United States Constitution.

00:35:28.000 They don't serve a party.

00:35:31.000 Contrary to what people tell you, I have spent many years on the battlefield.

00:35:35.000 I married a soldier.

00:35:36.000 My house is constantly filled with these people.

00:35:40.000 And I have listened for more than 15 years.

00:35:46.000 They believe in upholding the United States Constitution.

00:35:48.000 So this idea that the military is going to be provoked into civil war, that veterans will be provoked, the problem they have is not that they will be provoked, because they have resisted provocation after provocation after provocation.

00:36:03.000 The problem is that they are highly trained and disciplined.

00:36:08.000 And they're taught to think for themselves and they're principled.

00:36:11.000 And so if called upon to defend their communities and to defend this country against the real threat, they will not hesitate to do so.

00:36:21.000 And you have more than a million veterans in the state of Texas, the state of California, the state of Florida.

00:36:27.000 I mean, state by state by state.

00:36:29.000 This presents a formidable force that is within your communities.

00:36:32.000 And when you look at North Carolina, look what happened.

00:36:36.000 People were in dire need.

00:36:37.000 The federal government failed them.

00:36:39.000 And who came rushing into the breach?

00:36:41.000 They came with helicopters.

00:36:43.000 They came with medical expertise and resources.

00:36:46.000 They came with food.

00:36:47.000 They came with tents.

00:36:48.000 They came with their hearts.

00:36:49.000 And they came with their souls.

00:36:51.000 I mean, they were really, really ready to risk everything.

00:36:54.000 And they came on mats.

00:36:56.000 And that's, you know, that's an extraordinary thing.

00:36:58.000 This is the thing, Russell, about humanity.

00:37:00.000 We've always been taught that our human frailties are our greatest weakness.

00:37:05.000 But in a sense...

00:37:07.000 You know, they're our greatest gifts.

00:37:09.000 This is what separates us from machines and AI and robots and all that other nonsense they want to tell us is going to take over the world.

00:37:16.000 You know, and so when you look at what's happened, these terrorist attacks that are taking place, there's significant acts that are happening all over the country.

00:37:24.000 There's, you know, there's been fires in all different places.

00:37:27.000 California now, you have to wonder, are they burning the evidence?

00:37:30.000 You know, you really have to wonder.

00:37:32.000 There's a lot of evidence to get rid of in California.

00:37:35.000 And you start to add up all these little events.

00:37:38.000 If you're an intelligence person, your job is to look at the whole picture.

00:37:41.000 And what you have across the whole picture has the hallmarks of an insurgency.

00:37:46.000 Then again, I talk to about five or six different, you know, groups of intelligence analysts and operatives who are working to understand what's going on.

00:37:55.000 And what they are seeing and hearing is, you know, they see the cartels, Mexican, Venezuelan and others.

00:38:02.000 For the very first time, really operational, working with nation states like Iran and, of course, the Venezuelan government and the CCP and so on, and Islamic terror groups.

00:38:15.000 So they're tracking a nexus of America's enemies, state adversaries with terrorist organizations from the Islamic world, the Orions, obviously the Persian world, the cartels.

00:38:27.000 When you see a nexus like that, if your job is to plan for the worst, Right?

00:38:33.000 That's your job as an intelligence operator.

00:38:35.000 You don't plan for the best.

00:38:37.000 And just hope that you're going to make it through the worst if it happens.

00:38:40.000 You plan for the worst, the most lethal course of action and the most likely course of action.

00:38:45.000 And for a year now, I've been tracking reports of dirty bomb threats and concerns that intelligence have been monitoring and also nuclear threats that they've been monitoring.

00:38:57.000 So there's a lot going on under the surface here.

00:39:00.000 And what it adds up to, according to these people who are professionals, Is they see the hallmarks of an insurgency being fomented.

00:39:09.000 That doesn't mean it's going to happen.

00:39:11.000 There were a lot of things that were planned to disrupt the election and they didn't happen.

00:39:15.000 It's because people are working diligently.

00:39:17.000 People like the ones I talk to are working diligently behind the scenes to get this information to the right people and to stop these things from happening.

00:39:27.000 But there's definitely a heightened level of concern right now.

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00:40:24.000 Are you saying that there could be coordinated attempts...

00:40:28.000 To stage a series of, inverted commas, terrorist attacks that can then be attributed to sets of domestic terrorists and then be used to delegitimize Trump's inauguration and prevent it taking place.

00:40:46.000 Because I don't see, I mean, even with all of this, how would it happen?

00:40:53.000 So then what would its value be?

00:40:57.000 So destabilizing the country so that you can disable his administration and his agenda, right?

00:41:03.000 Because what is part of his agenda?

00:41:04.000 A big part of it is accountability.

00:41:06.000 A big part of it, I mean, Tom Homan said it on stage at the Republican National Convention.

00:41:11.000 He said, you know, we're going to declare the cartels a foreign terrorist organization.

00:41:18.000 So once you do that, you change the playing field completely.

00:41:22.000 Because why?

00:41:23.000 Who has had jurisdiction in the war against drugs and, you know, your operations against cartels and so on?

00:41:29.000 It's been law enforcement.

00:41:30.000 Well, where does their jurisdiction end, Russell?

00:41:33.000 It ends at the United States border.

00:41:34.000 When they go into Mexico, Mexico or Colombia or any of these countries, they're going at the behest and invitation of the host nation.

00:41:42.000 So they're very limited in many respects in what they can do.

00:41:46.000 And when you look at a narco-terror state like Mexico that's completely run by the cartels, it's a joke. 0.90

00:41:54.000 Acting like the Mexican government is a real government and the newly elected leader of Mexico, the socialists, acting like she's not doing the bidding of these cartels is really foolish at this age and stage in the game.

00:42:10.000 Because you only have to look at Mexico to see the reality of what that country has become. 0.51

00:42:15.000 So when you start to...

00:42:17.000 To look at this, I'm not even sure that the inauguration really matters at this point.

00:42:21.000 I believe it's more symbolic than anything else, because you've had the January 6th, the very significant legal recognition of the election results has taken place.

00:42:35.000 So, in a sense, part of the inauguration is just for show.

00:42:40.000 So it really, in one sense, it doesn't matter if the inauguration happens or not.

00:42:44.000 This train has left the station.

00:42:46.000 Okay, and these guys are coming into office.

00:42:49.000 What matters now is if you're the deep state, what do you do?

00:42:53.000 Well, first of all, you take off your blue uniform and you put on your red uniform, right?

00:42:57.000 Because you got to disappear.

00:43:00.000 You have to infiltrate.

00:43:01.000 So we know they're infiltrated throughout the government, throughout every agency.

00:43:05.000 The deep state is actually something called the Senior Executive Service, the SES. It is a layer of bureaucracy that is outside of the accountability of Congress that awards itself its own salaries.

00:43:16.000 They can't be fired.

00:43:17.000 They're not subject to any of the normal checks and balances that affect the average civil servant.

00:43:23.000 So this is something that's not made up.

00:43:26.000 It's actually physically real.

00:43:28.000 And these people know.

00:43:30.000 That accountability is coming.

00:43:32.000 And they know they're going to be exposed.

00:43:34.000 And what else do they know?

00:43:35.000 That they've literally committed real crimes.

00:43:38.000 So not the kind of conspiracy that they throw out in the papers or on TV. A seditious conspiracy under the laws of treason and sedition, where they conspired with each other to undermine a legally elected president, the will of the people, the Constitution.

00:43:55.000 The list is endless.

00:43:56.000 These are real crimes.

00:43:58.000 And there's many more that go along with that.

00:44:01.000 Obstruction of justice and so many other things that they've done.

00:44:05.000 And if this administration is fighting for its life and fighting for survival, then they're not going to be able to implement that agenda.

00:44:13.000 And also, what will people associate?

00:44:16.000 If the violence doesn't begin until Donald Trump gets into office, then everyone will say Donald Trump brought with him pain, death, suffering, chaos.

00:44:25.000 We need to get rid of Donald Trump.

00:44:27.000 So that we can have what?

00:44:29.000 Peace in our country.

00:44:30.000 Didn't they promise us that at the end of Trump's first term?

00:44:33.000 Oh, we need to get Trump out of office so America can go back to normal.

00:44:37.000 It's part of the information war.

00:44:39.000 I see what you're offering us, Lara Logan.

00:44:42.000 A slap around the face, a glass, a cold glass of water straight between the eyes to waken us up from the idea that perhaps the election and inauguration of Donald Trump, as well as Elon Musk's increasing global influence and ability to cause as well as Elon Musk's increasing global influence and ability to cause such extraordinary new conversations, even in the United Kingdom, might be the beginning of the rise of new populism and with it

00:45:10.000 I was very struck, Lara, by Mark Zuckerberg's recent Mia Culpa fact checkers as censors video.

00:45:19.000 Oh, well, what this means is even the largest big tech platforms and all of their extraordinary power, which I liken to the power of drug cartels in Mexican democracy, based on what you just told me, that even they are able to pivot, reorganize, put Dana White that even they are able to pivot, reorganize, put Dana White on the board, slap on a bit of lipstick and a little bit of eyeshadow and present themselves as an entirely different

00:45:47.000 I've been, before our conversation, wondering how deep state power would maneuver in the advent of a new government who may have flaws...

00:45:57.000 And maybe far from perfect in a number of ways, but certainly represent a disruption in the New World Order trajectory that we've been witnessing since, you know, since 2020 at very least.

00:46:09.000 So you're saying that how this will play out will be through a series of ongoing deep state...

00:46:16.000 ...and activities that you don't feel will be weeded out, controlled, eliminated, prevented or curtailed by the power of the new administration.

00:46:26.000 You're saying there will continue to be sets of powers that are beyond the reach, remit and control of the incoming government?

00:46:34.000 No, not quite.

00:46:36.000 What I'm saying is that there will be attempts...

00:46:39.000 To do those things.

00:46:40.000 I don't think they're beyond the reach and power of the government.

00:46:43.000 Everything comes down to what is Donald Trump really prepared to do?

00:46:49.000 How much abuse and punishment can Tom Homan take?

00:46:53.000 You know, what is it going to take to break their will?

00:46:56.000 What will it take to get them to falter?

00:46:58.000 Because they are under siege.

00:47:00.000 all around them now what they have many many benefits today that they didn't have in 2016 right because first and foremost you have a population you have people like yourself with millions of followers and you have a population that is saying no we're not buying it like when they put that Nonsense email out from the Green Beret in Las Vegas who somehow was planning to make it to the Mexico border but shot himself in the head and blew himself up.

00:47:27.000 I mean, people are calling them out, right?

00:47:29.000 These stories are not holding.

00:47:31.000 They're falling apart in many directions because people from all walks of life are seeing it and they're not staying silent.

00:47:40.000 And yes, thanks to Elon Musk, they have a massive platform which broke the information dominance, the hold that they had on the narrative.

00:47:48.000 So what I'm saying to you is all of those things will be happening.

00:47:51.000 What you're talking about, where there is an opportunity for the rise of new populism, that's real.

00:47:57.000 You only have to look at Argentina under Miele and El Salvador under Bukele and look at what's happening.

00:48:04.000 In Canada, Justin Trudeau has been, you know, forced to step down.

00:48:08.000 These people are afraid of what's coming.

00:48:11.000 But if you're the deep state, I mean, in one sense, Russell, if you want to be biblical about this, this fight began, what are we, 2025?

00:48:20.000 2025 years ago, right?

00:48:23.000 I mean, this is when this fight really began.

00:48:25.000 And so what are you going to do if you're these people?

00:48:29.000 You're going to try to limit the reach.

00:48:31.000 Of Donald Trump and his new administration in every single way possible.

00:48:35.000 We know from experience that they're going to slam him with lawsuits in every direction.

00:48:40.000 But they're not just going to do that.

00:48:42.000 They're going to put lawyers, like they put an immigration lawyer as the acting attorney general to replace Merrick Garland.

00:48:48.000 Why did they put him there?

00:48:49.000 Not to help Donald Trump, right?

00:48:52.000 Not to help secure the border.

00:48:53.000 They put him there to stop.

00:48:55.000 Their agenda to use the law as a tool or to misuse and abuse the power of the law as a political tool instead of for justice.

00:49:03.000 So they're going to do it with lawyers.

00:49:05.000 They're going to do it with information.

00:49:06.000 We know that they're going to show screaming children and terrible stories of families ripped apart.

00:49:12.000 And this great person that's worked in this sandwich shop for three generations is now being sent home.

00:49:17.000 You know you're going to see it.

00:49:20.000 One emotional story after another.

00:49:23.000 So there's going to be a massive push in the media.

00:49:25.000 And then at the same time, there's going to be people around the president in his inner circle inside those agencies, those bureaucrats who are going to undermine, undermine, undermine, wear away at people's confidence.

00:49:37.000 Then there'll be attacks on the people inside of his administration.

00:49:41.000 I mean, the kind of people that you're talking about, Russell.

00:49:44.000 I don't put it past them.

00:49:45.000 If they have to drown someone in the river to say, look, someone drowned in the river because of Donald Trump, they're quite capable of doing that kind of thing.

00:49:53.000 You know, you can't underestimate what you're up against.

00:49:56.000 But I never, ever forget that what really lifts us up and holds us together, our humanity, the things that make us great, we know that when we work together, what happened over the last election?

00:50:11.000 Black people, Hispanic, white Americans, everybody said, we don't care. 0.74

00:50:16.000 We don't care about your false narrative. 0.53

00:50:18.000 We don't care about race.

00:50:19.000 We don't care about any of those things, and we never did.

00:50:22.000 And you know what?

00:50:22.000 You've pushed us too far.

00:50:24.000 So we're not afraid anymore.

00:50:25.000 I'm not afraid as a black person to stand up and say, I support Donald Trump.

00:50:29.000 I'm not afraid as a white woman to say, I do, right?

00:50:32.000 We took that fear away because human beings have an enormous capacity to rise beyond anything we can imagine.

00:50:41.000 When they really understand what's at stake and they see that, okay, this is the moment, right?

00:50:47.000 I mean, look at history.

00:50:49.000 History is replete with examples like this.

00:50:52.000 What did Nelson Mandela do when he was in prison?

00:50:55.000 You know, when he was offered freedom over and over and over again, but on certain conditions that it would have undermined the principles that he stood for.

00:51:04.000 So what did he say?

00:51:05.000 He said, no, I'm going to stay in prison.

00:51:07.000 I'm going to stay here.

00:51:09.000 Until my people can be free.

00:51:12.000 I don't want my freedom means nothing if my people can't be free.

00:51:16.000 And by the way, you know, I know a guy from Texas, Michael Morton, falsely accused of murdering his wife.

00:51:22.000 He was offered his freedom, and he didn't take it because he knew he was innocent.

00:51:27.000 And eventually, his DNA testing after 27 years, and I think of Michael because Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison too.

00:51:37.000 So here's this man.

00:51:39.000 You know, he lost everything, including his wife, who he never harmed.

00:51:44.000 And when they offered him his freedom, he said no, because he knew that they were trying to sell him out.

00:51:49.000 And what happened in the end?

00:51:50.000 His conviction was vacated, and he was declared innocent, and they found the real murderer.

00:51:54.000 So when you stand for principle, you know, it's just an amazing thing about us that...

00:52:01.000 Principle is rooted in truth, and the ultimate truth is God.

00:52:05.000 So when we stand for that, and we stand for God, we don't have to worry if it looks overwhelming.

00:52:10.000 We just have to know we did the right thing.

00:52:12.000 We did it with the full force.

00:52:15.000 Every single thing I have in my body, every single day, I give to this.

00:52:20.000 When I go to bed at night, I am broken, tired, right?

00:52:24.000 I give everything I can every day, and some days, you know...

00:52:27.000 I'm far from perfect, and I feel like I never did enough.

00:52:30.000 But at the end of the day, when you feel overwhelmed, you just got to know that God's got it.

00:52:36.000 Surely these examples of heroism are always inspiring to hear of and the principle of self-sacrifice and self-sacrifice is the highest order and that our king's great power was not his power of dominion but his power to sacrifice himself is the highest principle around which we might order ourselves.

00:52:54.000 In a culture that has sanitized, diminished or elsewise obscured the power of Jesus Christ it's easy to get lost in the morass and stimulation of individualism, the pursuit of pleasure, the pursuit of personal glory.

00:53:11.000 What I have felt up until the election was the type of tyrannical power of which God's.

00:53:19.000 We had to be most alert and about which we had to be most concerned was a kind of sanitized and bureaucratic technological feudalism that using the language of care had extracted God from public life and maybe even from their human heart and had given us instead a pantheon of false idols, whether they were technological, ideological, commodities, icons and celebrities.

00:53:46.000 Now, I'm very curious as to see how this MAGA stroke Maha movement will govern.

00:53:53.000 I'm fascinated to see how these new emergent sovereigns like Elon Musk will influence politics across the world and what their shortcomings will be because they are...

00:54:04.000 Ultimately, human beings and the type of reverence and zeal that you're discussing has only one proper destination, that of devotion and dedication to the one true God.

00:54:17.000 I suppose, just getting back into my work this year, I'm noticing, oh right, the EU are pursuing and attempting to shut down Elon Musk, while I see other people on the periphery say that, well, Elon Musk is like an oligarch and the world's richest man, and has all sorts of personal agendas.

00:54:36.000 And what's interesting talking to you, Lara, is because you sort of operate on the edge of prophecy, as well as within journalism, Interested to see now how dark power will reorder and reorganise now that there has been this rupture.

00:54:55.000 Because I think after 2020 and the various lawsuits, most people didn't imagine there would be another Trump administration.

00:55:02.000 And a significant number of people had been seduced by the idea that Trump was an entirely malign individual.

00:55:11.000 And even me, my sort of support.

00:55:15.000 Of this administration comes about somewhat because of figures like Bobby Kennedy and just learning more deeply and getting a greater understanding of how malign these kind of institutions that were in government, the Labour Party in my country, the Democrats in the United States of America.

00:55:34.000 That's where my perspective came from.

00:55:38.000 But you're right, Lara.

00:55:40.000 As Christians, we have to look to people that are willing to sacrifice themselves.

00:55:44.000 And I think perhaps now, if we have a government that's not directly opposed to the interests of the people that they have been elected to govern, it'll be interesting to see how evil is manifest, whether it's manifest within those governments, whether it's manifest within institutions outside of government, and how...

00:56:05.000 America, in particular, is going to respond because I can see that outside of America, they are looking for ways to control and shut down free speech and ensure that populist uprisings elsewhere are assuaged.

00:56:20.000 They're still looking for that inside America. 0.76

00:56:22.000 They'll shut down free speech the moment they can.

00:56:25.000 And you know what you said about Elon Musk?

00:56:27.000 This is the reality.

00:56:29.000 Technology today...

00:56:31.000 Gives a tiny, tiny, tiny group of people extraordinary power.

00:56:36.000 Like Mark Zuckerberg has no business having any power or say over the public discourse in this country. 1.00

00:56:41.000 He's a cowardly, spineless, little weasel. 1.00

00:56:46.000 That's what he is. 1.00

00:56:48.000 And when the going gets tough...

00:56:51.000 What does he do?

00:56:51.000 He changes his stripes.

00:56:53.000 He will be, Mark Zuckerberg will literally be whatever you need him to be in that moment.

00:56:58.000 And it probably goes back to the fact that he's been living a lie all this time because he never created Facebook.

00:57:03.000 The whole story is nonsense.

00:57:05.000 Facebook was created by DARPA and the CIA. It is one of the world's largest, most successful collection systems because people agree to be surveilled and they provide you the material.

00:57:17.000 They open the doors and let you come in.

00:57:19.000 You know, I mean, all of technology does this.

00:57:23.000 So, you know, what have we seen throughout human history that when extraordinary power is concentrated in the hands of one man or one woman, it rarely works out well.

00:57:33.000 And we are heading into a world where we have less and less and less control, even our cell phones.

00:57:39.000 You know, I tried to call someone today and it told me this, you know, the person you're dialing is restricted.

00:57:45.000 You are not allowed to make calls to this phone.

00:57:47.000 They can do that with any phone.

00:57:49.000 They can literally, all the access that you believe technology gives you, to the internet, to information, to this, to your bank account, can all be turned off anytime they want.

00:58:00.000 Someone else controls it all.

00:58:02.000 The Wi-Fi in your home, if you didn't install it and you don't know how to uninstall it or to fix it, someone else controls it.

00:58:08.000 I don't understand.

00:58:09.000 You see commercials on TV, you know, Google, open my front door, you know, sign up to ADT, Google, whatever, security program. 0.97

00:58:16.000 Are you nuts?

00:58:17.000 If they can open your front door, they can close it, which means they can close you out. 0.96

00:58:21.000 So we don't know how this is going to play out.

00:58:24.000 And this is a really interesting time right now, actually, because...

00:58:28.000 We have the rise of independent media and podcasting.

00:58:31.000 We have the death of legacy media.

00:58:34.000 And those two things are going to have to somehow, you're going to have to take the good from this and you're going to have to, you know, adjust for the weaknesses of this in order to give birth to something that's going to withstand all of these forces.

00:58:48.000 Because everything that destroyed legacy media is already at work trying to destroy independent media.

00:58:53.000 You know, I mean, don't fool yourselves that anyone is immune.

00:58:58.000 Almost no cover.

00:58:59.000 They don't have cover financially, most of them, and they don't have, you know, they don't have teams of people and lawyers and support behind them.

00:59:06.000 So, you know, how difficult is it going to be to take them out one by one by one?

00:59:10.000 You know, not that hard, quite frankly.

00:59:13.000 So this is an interesting time to see what rises out of it, Russell.

00:59:17.000 And I know we're probably out of time, but it would be remiss of me to leave you without saying perhaps one of the darkest...

00:59:25.000 One of the darkest moments that we have witnessed in the last few years is the selective, intentional, targeted persecution of American citizens who went to the Capitol on January 6th.

00:59:40.000 And I did some work.

00:59:43.000 On that, investigating, I found the most unbelievable stories all across this country.

00:59:49.000 Extraordinary people, many of whom had very little, many who'd never seen the Capitol in their lives before, had never been to Washington, D.C. And they took their savings.

00:59:58.000 They'd spent money they couldn't really afford to go there and be a voice for everybody else.

01:00:04.000 And they were cast.

01:00:05.000 As insurrectionists, which was a lie.

01:00:07.000 There's people like the Oath Keepers sentenced to, you know, years and years and years in prison for something that is completely fabricated.

01:00:15.000 And it was designed to cover up a stolen election.

01:00:18.000 And it was meant to suppress that populist voice you talk about.

01:00:21.000 And look what happened, Russell.

01:00:23.000 They failed.

01:00:25.000 They failed.

01:00:26.000 And there were people who, in spite of, they lost everything and they still didn't take a deal.

01:00:31.000 And there were some people who just didn't have a choice, like Victoria White, who was beaten almost to death.

01:00:36.000 If you haven't seen my episode on Victoria White, we show that there were, I think it's three or four.

01:00:41.000 Separate police officers beating this unarmed woman, blood streaming down her face.

01:00:46.000 She's a mess. 1.00

01:00:47.000 I don't know how Victoria White survived.

01:00:49.000 She's an amazing woman.

01:00:51.000 And those people got away with their crimes.

01:00:54.000 They were cast as heroes.

01:00:55.000 Now, many of them were heroes.

01:00:57.000 Many of those officers were.

01:00:58.000 They were also victims of January 6th.

01:01:00.000 The people who set the conditions for chaos.

01:01:03.000 Those are the kind of people right now who are doing a number of different things.

01:01:07.000 Some of them are running, scared.

01:01:09.000 You know, they're looking at each other not knowing who's going to be thrown under the bus.

01:01:13.000 Some of them have doubled down and some of them have fled.

01:01:17.000 But I can tell you this.

01:01:19.000 The only thing that I know is that this administration has a short window.

01:01:26.000 It doesn't have four years.

01:01:27.000 There's about 18 months before the midterms start.

01:01:30.000 You know, before all the politicking talk of the midterms start.

01:01:34.000 And that's not a very long period of time.

01:01:36.000 So they're going to be sold.

01:01:39.000 Everything they face will be trying to stall them and derail their agenda and cause infighting and disable them.

01:01:45.000 And the true test, what the people can do, what this populist movement can do with its voice, you know, they can speak up because that cacophony of sound and support.

01:01:59.000 That will be the cover that gives these people, these leaders, the courage they need to move forward.

01:02:06.000 Lara Logan, tell us your comeback every week and beguile us and dazzle us with insights and prophecy.

01:02:13.000 All right, well, thank you so much.

01:02:15.000 We'll be parted for a whole week.

01:02:16.000 I don't know how I'm going to do it.

01:02:18.000 It's going to be a challenge, Lara, but with the kind of tenacity, like two Nelson Mandelas, we will serve our time graciously.

01:02:27.000 Laura, thank you so much for coming on.

01:02:30.000 Thank you for that and we will provide links to the work you've done on the January 6th stories and thank you very much for your time and we'll see you again next week, Laura.

01:02:41.000 See you next week.

01:02:43.000 Well, thank you, Lara Logan, for joining us today, and thank you for being a member of our community.

01:02:49.000 Remember, we'll be back tomorrow with Dallas Jenkins at 9.30 Central Time, that's 10.30 Eastern Time, for a conversation about The Chosen and Christianity.

01:02:59.000 Rob Schneider will be with us on Thursday, and we'll be back tomorrow, not for more of the same, but more of the different.

01:03:05.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

01:03:07.000 Many switchers, switchers, switchers. switchers.

01:03:27.000 Many switching, switch on, switch on.

01:03:28.000 Many switching.

01:03:30.000 Many switching, switch on, switch on.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 13, 2025

Deep State Exposed: Veterans in the Crosshairs – SF518

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