Deepak Chopra is the founder of the Chopra Foundation and the author of over 90 books. He is a self-help guru, but I see him as being at the point of inception of new ideas that infused a secular culture with a new radical approach to spirituality. We had a fascinating conversation about cultivating an inner light, and how he s positively helping people with his new project, even though we disagreed in several areas like AI, like A.I., and the obligation of people that are spiritually awakening to wage war against the system. You re going to enjoy this conversation. Stay Free with Russell Brand. Stay Free: Russell Brand's Stay Free Podcast is an in-depth interview with free thinkers, spiritual teachers, and aspirational leaders. See it first on Rumble. See it second on Rumble See It Third on Rumble See It First on Rumble Listen to Stay Free With Russell Brand s Stay Free podcast on Stay Free on SoundCloud. Subscribe and share this episode with your friends and family to help spread the word about Stay Free! Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast. Stay free! - Russell Brand - Stay Free, Stay Free. - Ronna and Rachit Shekhar Pinnamaneni - Thank you, Rocha, R.D. Chaudhuri, Raldhuri & Ravi, and Roshan, and thank you for being a friend of Stay Free - R.J. Chatterjee, Rj & R.K. Choudar, and for sharing this podcast with us, and supporting us in this podcast, and making us all a safe space for spiritual growth, support us all of your support and support us in the pursuit of freedom, love, positivity and abundance and abundance, abundance, gratitude, and gratitude for existence, and so much more. R.A. is a very special thanks you are so much appreciated. , R.S. . , and R.R. is an amazing human being, thank you R.B. is so much love and supportable, and appreciation, and a very much appreciated, and I hope you do not have a chance to help us do so much so that we can help us all do it. R.Y. is enough, and we are a little bit more than that, and it s a little more than you can do that. -- R. B. is
00:00:08.000Deepak is often referred to as a self-help guru, but I see Deepak as more than that.
00:00:14.000I see him as being at the point of inception of new ideas that infused a secular culture with a new radical approach to spirituality.
00:00:23.000He's the founder of the Chopra Foundation and the author of over 90 books, 90s written.
00:00:27.000We had a fascinating conversation about higher states of conversation, cultivating an inner light, you've got to cultivate it, and how he's positively helping people with a new project, even though we disagreed in several areas, like AI, that was a complex part of it, and also the obligation of people that are spiritually awakening to wage war against the system.
00:00:48.000You're going to enjoy this conversation.
00:00:55.000Deepak, thank you so much for joining us on Stay Free.
00:00:59.000Deepak, one of the things I know you talk about a lot is how the culture has turned us into addicts.
00:01:05.000How our attention is being mined and controlled.
00:01:08.000How pharmaceutical companies are issuing medicines, in particular I'm referring to the opioid crisis, that have had a terrible detrimental effect on the spirituality of our kind.
00:01:19.000We refer often to the cultivation of an inner light, to a connection to something beyond external stimulation.
00:01:27.000Where we are now in the argument, and I may say in my personal opinion it's a point of crisis, what do you believe are the most important steps we can make now?
00:01:37.000So, first of all, thank you for having me, Russell.
00:01:44.000One road leads to sleepwalking, to extinction, and the other is to wake up to who we are.
00:01:54.000The way media, social media, news cycles, everything we see on the internet, The way it's run, we have sacrificed ourselves for our selfies.
00:02:11.000We have been so conditioned by the collective hypnosis and into the feeling of separation, that we live in fear, anxiety, and actually we have become biological robots.
00:02:30.000And unless we wake up to our fundamental reality, I think we're sleepwalking to extinction.
00:02:38.000Social injustice, economic injustice, climate change, extinction of species, poison in the food chain, mechanized ways of killing each other and ourselves, We're a disaster.
00:02:51.000And all our leaders, globally, are gangsters.
00:02:55.000How do we reintroduce spirituality into a culture that is so materialistic and so devoid of conscious spirituality, where pleasure and convenience and safety have been prized, deified and enshrined in a manner that almost prevents access to sacred and ineffable principles?
00:03:21.000There are three principles that have been outlined in wisdom traditions.
00:03:27.000By wisdom traditions I mean the Gnostic Gospels, the Buddhist traditions, the non-dual traditions of Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism.
00:03:50.000Take refuge in the sadhana, which is daily spiritual practice, whether it's yoga, meditation, mindfulness, anything that activates the parasympathetic nervous system.
00:04:03.000And take refuge in the dharma, which means higher purpose, authenticity, integrity, higher calling and transcendence.
00:04:14.000You know, Jesus had 12 people and he made a big impact.
00:04:18.000Buddha had maybe six or seven that were part of his team.
00:04:23.000Today, with global leaders like yourself and many others, luminaries who are interested in authentic self-realization, I think we can create a global community for caring, attention, affection, appreciation, transcendence, and acceptance.
00:04:41.000Radical acceptance, radical love, and radical gratitude for existence.
00:04:53.000I also appreciate the great deal of work you've done in popularizing these ideas, the amount of criticism that you have endured.
00:05:04.000And the great way that you have continued to elevate these principles and make them accessible, in particular handling the difficulty of the point of interface between science and mysticism.
00:05:16.000It's a very, very challenging place to operate.
00:05:19.000In our previous conversations, we've talked about the challenges of commodification of spiritual ideas, of ensuring that it doesn't just become another set of individualistic practices that are ultimately used
00:05:31.000to make you a better component within an existing system.
00:05:34.000That we meditate in order that we can become better at our jobs rather than meditating in order that we
00:05:40.000challenge the necessity of our jobs. Loads of people in the spiritual community, by the way, that I belong to, the 12-step
00:05:48.000community, regularly use your abundance meditations.
00:05:52.000You're really well regarded and revered in my, literally mean the community of, in particular men, that I spend time
00:05:58.000with, with our meditation and our support groups.
00:06:01.000Lots of groups have asked, do your meditations and your challenges, 21-day challenges and stuff like that.
00:06:08.000What I feel like is that we've almost accepted the position that spirituality only can exist within the confines of the dominator culture.
00:06:16.000That spirituality isn't going to challenge that culture in the same way that someone like Gandhi or Martin Luther King used their spirituality, if gosh, I don't want to say as a weapon, that seems wrong when both of them are so committed to peace, but as a An edifice against which their principles could not hide but be protected.
00:07:14.000And I've now entered the fourth 25 years, which is the final chapter.
00:07:19.000So I'm 76, even though I'm biologically much younger, but chronologically I'm 76.
00:07:25.000This period of my life is supposed to be dedicated to what we call self-realization, not self-improvement, but actually going beyond all human constructs to know who you are at a fundamental level of existence, and also to prepare for the mystery of death.
00:07:50.000As far as commodification or whatever you call it, I began my journey as a young intern resident, smoking two packs of cigarettes a day and drinking alcohol on weekends and getting smashed in the hospital if I wasn't on duty.
00:08:11.000So, I started meditation because I was disgusted with myself.
00:10:08.000There is no biological basis of consciousness.
00:10:11.000All experience, including the experience of the brain, is in consciousness.
00:10:15.000So when we combine our understanding of what we call scientific naive realism and why science only looks at human observation, never ask who's observing, what is the methodology of observation, because three things are necessary.
00:10:32.000The observer, The mode of observation and that which is observed.
00:10:37.000As we move into higher states of consciousness through direct experience of transcendence, these questions become irrelevant.
00:11:35.000Transcendence, platonic values, loss of the fear of death.
00:11:38.000I am there in my life right now, and I want people to understand anybody can be there.
00:11:45.000If Jesus was pointing to the moon, you should be looking at the moon, not worshipping the finger.
00:11:53.000This unitive idea, a unitary idea that all phenomena and non-phenomena are the expression of a single entity and it is Like mind, it is mental in its nature rather than primarily physical.
00:12:15.000Suggest to me a set of values and as you just outlined there, you know, equanimity, kindness, service, joy.
00:12:23.000These are values that you're ultimately listing.
00:12:28.000Do you feel, somewhat in reference to my previous question, that the Objectivity of these values, if indeed they can be derived from this unitary, formless oneness that you describe, means that they ought be obviously practiced at the level of the individual but also the community, and that they, when we live as we...
00:12:53.000Seems clear, and you obviously agree from your opening statement.
00:12:56.000When we live in a world that is somewhat antithetical to those value systems, a world that is materialistic, I mean that in every sense of the word, individualistic, is built on systems of domination, deception, bias and deceit, Do we, what is our obligation to spread these principles and where does it become a, where does it become, when does it lead us ultimately, if not to conflict, then certainly to a kind of adversity?
00:13:31.000When do we have to say, We need to change our governments.
00:13:35.000We need to change our economic systems.
00:13:36.000We need to introduce new forms of democracy that are derived from the principles that we're describing.
00:13:43.000Otherwise, or does it not matter if all of these things are part of some limitless flow that is transmaterial and beyond consciousness and the sensory world as most of us are able to understand it?
00:13:54.000Does that induce a kind of nihilism in the same way that atheism might?
00:14:19.000I said, okay, I will only support divine causes, get to a critical mass of peace, social justice, economic justice, sustainability, health and joy.
00:14:48.000We can only be the light of awareness.
00:14:51.000So, I'm at a stage in my life right now, and as mentioned, these are the final chapters of my life.
00:14:57.000where I would like help from people like you and other luminaries to actually create that critical mass of consciousness where we are the change we want to see in the world without any angry activism because it only perpetuates and recycles the old.
00:15:17.000To have a new story, we have to have a new paradigm.
00:15:22.000New context, new meaning, new relationships and a new story.
00:16:08.000Many of these figures, and no figure is without gosh, without controversy these days, I'm thinking of a couple of them in particular, had interesting relationships with carnality.
00:16:21.000How do we square this Dedication to the ineffable.
00:16:26.000This ongoing and constant rebirth that amounts to a pure presence that is not bound to the past or in continual conjecture and projecting into the future.
00:16:40.000With an enjoyment of sensuality, a service of the appetizer.
00:16:45.000I'm thinking in particular of Rumi and how he's writing expresses a kind of a great love of what sounds like erotica at times.
00:16:54.000Or do you think that Rumi is speaking metaphorically of the lover in much of his verse?
00:16:59.000How, and regardless, how do all of us human beings square our attachments to this earth, our need for status and community, our need for sensual and indeed erotic pleasure with a set of ideals that sometimes can seem quite ascetic and based on purity?
00:17:20.000So, you know, this idea that carnality or sexuality or sensuality are somehow opposed to spirituality, that's a Judeo-Christian guilt phenomenon that's made a lot of money for the Judeo-Christian institutions and also fundamentalists in every religion who seek Power and control.
00:17:49.000The fact is that in true spiritual understanding, sexuality and the sexual energy that we have is divine.
00:17:58.000It's the same thing as spiritual energy.
00:18:02.000Without sexual energy and spiritual energy, there's no life.
00:18:06.000This is the creative energy of the universe.
00:18:11.000I've done a book called Kama Sutra, which is about sexuality and spirituality.
00:18:17.000And I think the responsibility we have as divine beings is not to be in denial of our basic impulses, but to channel them for the ideal sensual sensory experience.
00:18:33.000So in Indian philosophy, by the way, the true Vedantic non-dual philosophy, there are four goals in life.
00:18:39.000Dharma, which is purpose in life, Kama, Kama, not Karma, Kama, as in Kama Sutra, which means sensuality, sexuality, and spirituality.
00:18:53.000So, Dharma, Kama, Artha, material success, no denial of Material success and ultimately moksha.
00:19:07.000Freedom from the conditioned mind, including the conditioned religious mind.
00:19:12.000So, you know, religion has been a great tool.
00:19:15.000For control, for power mongering, for influence peddling, for cronyism, for corruption.
00:19:21.000Religious institutions have done that all over the world.
00:19:24.000But religious institutions have also done good.
00:19:27.000You know, we should not deny the good they've done.
00:19:30.000I think the time has come now to forget about dogma, ideology, theology.
00:19:37.000and philosophy, but to engage in spiritual experience in the true way that it is meant to be experienced.
00:19:46.000So, you talk, you know, I know you're a student of yoga, as I am.
00:19:50.000My new book, Living in the Light, which is about yoga for self-realization, it talks about the eight limbs of yoga, okay?
00:19:59.000The eight limbs is called royal yoga or raj yoga.
00:20:02.000So, the first limb is Yama, which means rules or principles of social intelligence, but based on a deeper understanding of consciousness or fundamental reality.
00:20:14.000Niyama rules of our ideas of Emotional intelligence, again, based on a deeper understanding of yoga.
00:22:06.000And then the eighth limb is transcendence, that unitary consciousness, where we go beyond waking, dreaming, sleeping, to what is called soul consciousness, cosmic consciousness, divine consciousness, and unity consciousness.
00:22:22.000And yoga tells us, the original writers of yoga tell us, And you know, our friend Eddie Stern, who you both, you and I know, would fully agree that yoga tells us no system of thought, whether it's philosophy, theology, religion or science,
00:26:52.000We are not the dream, we are the dreamer.
00:26:56.000And that dreamer can live at all times in the field of infinite possibilities.
00:27:04.000With the neurological research that you are currently undertaking that makes observable and measurable these varying states, is there significant consistency between various subjects that are being observed to suggest that there is indeed an archetypal reality or different archetypes of reality that are being expressed and experienced through different subjective experiences, i.e.
00:27:35.000the many observable tropes present in monotheism or pagan religions, the consistencies, the similarities in language, and even symbols that occur, fractals, spirals, Is there, do you see in these observable data points the idea that oh look subject A and subject B appear to be measurably having a comparable experience depending on stimulants that they're exposed to and this suggests an ulterior reality that whilst
00:28:07.000Broadly ineffable, because it's extrasensory, can be detected in the same way that certain experiments in the quantum field suggest a reality that is at odds with our previous understanding of Newtonian physics.
00:28:22.000So Russell, our research is very preliminary and these are the things we are seeing.
00:28:56.000Number two, they have more cognition clarity, which means more intuition, more creativity, more archetypal experiences.
00:29:07.000Number three, they have a shift in emotions from fear and separation, anger, hostility and depression to love, compassion, joy, equanimity.
00:29:17.000Number four, they have a shift in memory.
00:29:20.000They start to use memories, but they're not victimized by past memory.
00:29:25.000This is the basic thing that we are seeing in our research, but then some people are also reporting what we call awakening of non-local dormant potentials.
00:29:36.000What people would normally say, extrasensory perception of the ability to look at the future or identify with a memory of another lifetime.
00:29:46.000Now this is very preliminary but again this is the second chapter in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali is devoted to this.
00:29:53.000It's called Vibhutis or supernormal powers but you know what Patanjali warns that if you achieve these for the sake of achieving this then you will actually be dismayed because you'll get self-importance and your ego will start to dominate.
00:30:11.000Let these awaken as a natural extension of expansion of consciousness from fight-flight to reactive to restful awareness, intuition, creativity, higher consciousness, archetypal, imagination, and ultimately transcendence.
00:30:30.000So there are many biological correlates.
00:30:36.000There are some one or two very good researchers in this field that I'm engaging with.
00:30:41.000And also now we're looking at some of the research with psychedelics where we see That psychedelics have the ability to be used judiciously.
00:30:53.000Actually, I work with an Oxford-trained MD, Geeta Vaid, who's a psychedelic expert from Oxford, England, but she now is in New York.
00:31:06.000What we are seeing is that when used properly in certain cases, they They actually loosen the neural networks of the conditioned mind.
00:31:21.000There's a part of our brain called the default mode network, which is the neural correlate of the ego mind.
00:31:29.000So when this cools down, people have an experience of universality.
00:31:34.000One of the things we're using these psychedelics right now is for terminal care.
00:31:42.000My book agent, one of my book agents, whom I'd known for 50 years, 40 years, she recently passed away.
00:32:28.000And then what we found was there's a small percentage of patients, or people, who may have Alzheimer's, who may be in coma, who may have other diseases, moribund, and just before death.
00:32:50.000They feel great joy and ecstasy and sometimes it lasts a few minutes before death, sometimes a few days, sometimes a few hours, but it is seen in a small percentage of My mother went through it when she went through that experience.
00:33:10.000I now regularly, before I'd sleep at night, I actually go into transcendence and explore the mystery of death, including my own death.
00:33:23.000I've done a short series right now on YouTube on the mystery of death, and it's getting a lot of attention because it's based on direct experience.
00:33:32.000Do you feel that as the lexicon evolves and alters, some scriptural and arcane ideas become more accessible?
00:33:46.000A good example of this perhaps might be Elon Musk's relatively recent conjecture that reality could be a simulation generated by an AI.
00:34:03.000Do you see this as just another attempt to present the The Divine within a materialistic, rationalist setting or do you think that perhaps the language is unimportant except for perhaps rationalism strips reverence away from that which has previously been regarded as unknowable?
00:34:25.000So Elon Musk and his colleagues in the AI field actually because they are physicalists they use the lexicon of physicalism that this Everyday reality is a simulation generated by an AI.
00:34:48.000You need a consciousness even to create AIs.
00:34:52.000So what they are calling the simulation generated by an AI, I say, is actually the divine projecting infinite universes through infinite modes of knowing and infinite sentient beings.
00:35:10.000And right now if you look at the latest science, you know, if you look at say Caltech professor Sean Carroll's book, Something Deeply Hidden, He is at Caltech.
00:35:20.000He's moving, I think, to another university.
00:35:23.000But, you know, he's a very prominent physicist at Caltech, holds the most important chair.
00:35:49.000But if you read the ancient scriptures, Yoga Vashishta, he says infinite universes come and go in the vast expanse of consciousness like motes of dust dancing in a beam of light.
00:36:13.000Call it God, call it Allah, call it Brahman, call it Einzow, or just call it non-local, formless, fundamental, irreducible, spaceless, timeless, incomprehensible, infinite reality.
00:36:28.000Do you think that there is a kind of pessimism in the determination to present this unknowable all-encompassing reality in materialistic terms as a kind of nothingness?
00:36:42.000You know, the barrenness of space from a conventional cosmological view.
00:37:08.000It's the nihilism that comes with science and actually in spiritual traditions too.
00:37:14.000There's a phase that's called the dark night of the soul.
00:37:17.000I've been through it, where there is this fear of losing what you thought was your identity.
00:37:26.000But there is no such thing as a static identity.
00:37:30.000You're never the same person even moment to moment.
00:37:34.000So what we call a person is an evolving process in the same consciousness which is divine incomprehensible.
00:37:44.000So science is struggling with its own dark night of the soul.
00:37:50.000Even though there are times when I feel beautifully connected and free and at ease and peace in this world, there are times where I also feel engulfed by fear and locked into craving.
00:38:06.000And the tendrils lead right back, it seems at least to me, to some native wound in my infancy are alive with very present suffering.
00:38:17.000What do you offer to people who sometimes feel awake, enlightened, connected,
00:38:24.000free, but still suffer with what seemed like quite remedial conditions,
00:38:28.000speaking for myself, craving, longing, pain, inferiority. What do you offer us?
00:38:37.000Rumi would say the way across the fire is through the fire, not around the fire.
00:38:45.000Embrace your fears, accept them and feel them in your body.
00:39:23.000You're the entire web of creation of life since the beginning of time.
00:39:27.000And the more you embrace that, the more you'll ultimately be able to jump in the abyss, which is actually the abyss of ecstasy, of joy, of transcendence, of beauty, of truth, of goodness, of harmony, of love and gratitude and surprise.
00:39:47.000But one has to One has to embrace the darkness too.
00:39:54.000Otherwise, there's no experience in life.
00:39:59.000You can't have an up without a down, or a hot without a cold, or the sacred without the so-called profane.
00:40:05.000There's a human, you know, creations in the mind, but reality is beyond the mind.
00:40:13.000But these levels of consciousness that the Vedas describe and to which you refer appear to diagnose and allude to a state of freedom beyond this suffering.
00:40:29.000I know that it has been reported that the Buddha, in the moments immediately preceding enlightenment and Buddhahood, experienced longing and craving and jealousy and the demons and the monsters, and I've heard the term beautiful monsters used in Buddhist practice.
00:40:45.000I suppose what surprises me is the impermanence of even awakened states, that sometimes I feel subject to quite Yeah, as I say, remedial, infantile longing, and I'm a father, and I have responsibilities, and sometimes, Deepak, I want some kind of resolution, you know?
00:41:08.000Like, right, I'm gonna go away and do an ayahuasca retreat, even though I'm in recovery.
00:41:12.000Right, I'm going to go and do some one-week course like the Hoffman or I'm going to do, you know, all sorts of like, you know, like a craving.
00:41:21.000And I know a lot of addicts in long-term recovery feel this.
00:41:24.000And I know a lot of people that have been on the path for a long time feel this.
00:41:28.000A kind of lack of ease with the intransigence of longing.
00:41:36.000I wonder, is there a point of meaningful, measurable progression?
00:41:43.000Or do you think that if all things are taking place beyond spatial, temporal reality, that it's always going to be like this?
00:41:53.000So my feeling is that a permanently stable system is impossible.
00:42:02.000A system that is in perfect equilibrium cannot stay there.
00:42:08.000It has to, in order to experience anything, consciousness must go through a process which we lack for a better word is entropy.
00:42:20.000So consciousness by definition, must be conscious of itself.
00:42:26.000And the only way it can be conscious of itself is through creating this subject-object split.
00:42:32.000And that is the movement of consciousness becoming consciousness.
00:42:37.000And when consciousness becomes consciousness, then there's creativity.
00:42:41.000So there will never be this state of perfect equilibrium or moksha.
00:43:08.000And just as an aside, by the way, and this is something I say to anybody who's a recovering addict, That, you know, the psychedelic experience actually has helped people recover from even addictive tendencies.
00:43:20.000So, don't be scared of it, if it's done under supervision either by an expert shamanic tradition, there are a lot of fake shamans right now, so you have to be very careful, or under medical supervision by somebody who's a reliable neuropsychiatrist who knows this, And I work with one, as I told you.
00:43:43.000So if you ever want, come to New York and visit me.
00:43:51.000I will continue to contemplate this because it's an area that is very complex in the long-term recovery community.
00:43:59.000Whilst I recognize the efficacy of these measures in getting people out of active addiction, there's a lot of contemplation around mind-altering and meddling with something as delicate as abstinence-based recovery.
00:44:44.000Let go of any outcome and just stay in the process, okay?
00:44:49.000And if you just sit there, even doing nothing, With your eyes closed, sooner or later you'll transcend.
00:44:56.000Of course, mantra practice, breath awareness, reflective inquiry, self-inquiry, mindfulness of, you know, the awareness of thought, awareness of perception, all these help.
00:45:09.000There are hundreds of thousands of techniques that can be explored, but the main thing is sit there quietly, learn to do nothing.
00:45:19.000Once you do that, you're ready for everything else.
00:45:21.000I've got another one from SensitiveHeart25.
00:45:25.000She asks, how do you stay so strongly connected to your spiritual knowledge and faith in this crazy world?
00:45:32.000It's the only thing that will actually convince you that to embrace the insanity of the world, And adjust to it is to actually declare your own insanity.
00:45:46.000To be well adjusted to an insane society is not a measure of our sanity.
00:45:52.000So yes, it's a crazy world, but we created it, so we can also go beyond it.
00:45:58.000The only thing that will save us is our own practice.
00:46:33.000And that will actually create the stage for what we call revelation.
00:46:38.000Deepak, one of the things we touched on earlier was living harmoniously with advancing technology.
00:46:45.000One of the challenges our community have, I believe, is that science, both in the area of pharmacology and medicine, and in the area of technology, are operating As subsets of greed-oriented systems of domination, globalism, corruption, hypocrisy, profiteering, these appear to be the hidden agenda behind much innovation.
00:47:12.000Not to suggest that there aren't many brilliant geniuses working within the fields of medicine and science, and of course, obviously, who wouldn't welcome the fantastic innovation that technology and medicine has offered us over the last century and throughout history?
00:47:27.000How are you using technology in ways that are in keeping with your values?
00:47:33.000I've realized that we cannot stop technology and therefore not only do we have to adapt it to it, but use it for the greater good.
00:47:44.000So with deep learning systems and augmented technology, artificial intelligence, I don't like the word, call it augmented intelligence, Deep learning systems and soon quantum computing and all the new things that are happening.
00:48:03.000We are using technology to measure well-being, to actually create a system for well-being for the future, which is predictable, preventable, participatory, and actually enhances your well-being, mind, body, and spirit, and adjusting to the environment.
00:48:22.000We've also created an artificial intelligence chatbot which is an emotional chatbot called PV.
00:48:31.000PV stands for personalized interaction with intention.
00:48:36.000Our website is neveralone.love and it focuses on four things attention, affection, appreciation, acceptance and the emotional chatbot has now intervened in about 6,000 suicidal ideations.
00:48:53.000PV is speaking to 20 million people simultaneously.
00:48:57.000And we are now taking PV globally in Arabic, in Urdu, in Hindi, in Spanish, because mental illness is a global pandemic.
00:49:07.000And every 40 seconds somebody is dying from suicide in the world.
00:49:10.000It's the second most common cause of death amongst teenagers.
00:49:16.000And we found that teens, this is the state of our world, are more comfortable talking to a machine than to a human being because they don't feel judged.
00:49:26.000But of course we have human beings behind and we are even creating cryptocurrency and blockchain to pay for this so
00:49:32.000that we can democratize well-being globally through the masses, not dependent on special interest groups.
00:50:01.000This is, I suppose, what brings me back to the area of the conversation that we were discussing earlier, that it seems that we must elevate some different values.
00:50:12.000Even the idea that teenagers are not comfortable speaking with human beings to me suggests, and I don't know if this is a kind of a Luddite perspective or a sort of an old-fashioned Human perspective it to suggest to me that sort of dystopia is already upon us that there is a requirement for a deep revelation a deep epiphany and I was going to require a radicalism and I I'm very curious about how this it seems to me that they're like the same way that crisis in the individual can bring about epiphany and enlightenment I wonder if we're at a point of cultural crisis and I wonder
00:50:50.000What is going to be required and how to handle it?
00:50:52.000Russell, it's a shame on us that our teens are in this position.
00:50:58.000It shows that our humanity is not yet complete, that we're in this situation.
00:51:04.000So we need first radical acceptance of the situation as it is, radical gratitude for the fact that we can do something about it, and radical love as the only way to move forward and restore our humanity.
00:51:22.000But we have to accept what is going on if we want to change it.
00:51:26.000And yes, we need to awaken our deeper humanity and understand that love is not just a mere sentiment or an emotion.
00:51:35.000It's the ultimate truth at the heart of the universe.