Stay Free - Russel Brand - Dr Drew - Medicine and Media: Unmasking Modern Healthcare

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00:00:50.000 He's a board certified physician and legacy celebrity talent with over 35 years of national radio, New York Times best-selling books and countless tele-shows bearing his name.

00:01:00.000 You can check out his work at drdrew.com plus he's on Rumble streaming with his show Ask Dr. Drew.

00:01:07.000 Now let's get into our conversation.

00:01:08.000 Dr. Drew, thanks for joining us.

00:01:11.000 It's great to see you, sir.

00:01:13.000 As we were just starting to mention before the mics heated up, we were together a few years ago.

00:01:18.000 We did a speech together about recovery.

00:01:20.000 As I think about our last meeting and then this one, many roads have been traveled.

00:01:28.000 Would you have imagined the world would evolve the way it has?

00:01:32.000 No, and the only people that did imagine it were kind of peripheral, zealous, fringe evangelists that were at the time regarded as conspiracy theorists.

00:01:45.000 I always felt that in our conversations Because we're talking about medicine, we were talking about mental health, we were talking about addiction and wellness.

00:01:52.000 I know that in our previous conversations we would have touched on the social implications of a condition like addiction.

00:01:58.000 That addiction is somewhat related to social pressures.

00:02:02.000 We may even have got as far as saying that the pharmaceutical industry possibly exploits addiction.

00:02:07.000 We may not have been in a position to talk about Purdue And Big Pharma and the Sackler family and the way that the opioid crisis has been handled.

00:02:14.000 But, you know, I know that's the kind of thing we would have touched on before.

00:02:17.000 But as you say, we're in a very different territory now.

00:02:20.000 From your perspective, Doc, what lines have been crossed and how is it we've found ourselves here?

00:02:26.000 Well, I've become a student of history because of this and much to my shock, but I want to answer that two ways that are a little bit glib and a little bit just so.

00:02:43.000 One is, post-structuralism has taken hold in this country, in particular, in a way that has been destructive.

00:02:49.000 The idea of truth has been undermined, and the reality is there is a truth, and our goal should be to ascend to some approximation of truth.

00:02:58.000 We've forsaken that, and that has bled into science and everything, so that's a problem.

00:03:06.000 Number two, that's the sort of historical sort of note, but number two, You mentioned the Sackler family and the excesses of the opioid industry, but the real perpetrators of the opioid crisis were evangelical physicians.

00:03:21.000 In this country, and in the UK as well, pain medicine became this cudgel.

00:03:27.000 That went around and forced physicians, sound familiar now?

00:03:31.000 Forced physicians to make pain the fifth vital sign.

00:03:34.000 Pain was more important.

00:03:35.000 There should be no pain ever.

00:03:37.000 To the point where 90% of the Vicodin prescribed in the world was prescribed in this country.

00:03:41.000 That was not the drug company.

00:03:43.000 That was me and my peers.

00:03:44.000 Not me.

00:03:45.000 That was my peers.

00:03:46.000 And evangelical physicians are dangerous. 0.99

00:03:49.000 Fast forward to COVID.

00:03:51.000 In this country, we have a Deborah Birx who evangelizes for lockdowns. 0.87

00:03:55.000 An evangelical physician went state to state, governor to governor, and persuaded, frightened these governors that if they didn't lock down, they'd be killing people.

00:04:06.000 Same phenomenon, same playbook, same disaster.

00:04:10.000 It's interesting that we're talking about two subjects, both of which I'm fascinated by.

00:04:15.000 The impact of post-structuralism and relativism.

00:04:17.000 The idea that there perhaps is a degree of ambiguity.

00:04:20.000 And look, I'm sympathetic to the idea that there are institutions that have been deemed just and granted authority that could benefit from open-ended analysis.

00:04:34.000 These are some of the areas of post-structuralism.

00:04:37.000 You know, not necessarily talking about semiotics and the semantic component of that, but certainly looking at power from an open-minded perspective.

00:04:46.000 But also, the idea that when you say evangelical physicians, it shows that there's a sort of component to prescribing medicine and issuing medical care that is emotional rather than practical.

00:05:00.000 These days, for sure!

00:05:03.000 For sure!

00:05:04.000 Not only emotional, but also social, because now we are having these movements in medicine where people are, you know, I was a scientist, I was a clinician, and the idea that we have social movements within medicine and focusing on things that are, I mean, it's good that we're paying attention to these things, but that those are sweeping us away from science is really very, very concerning.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, it's extraordinary and I don't know how or why that's happened because the post-structuralist idea, does that lead to the over-emotionalization of everything?

00:05:38.000 I would have thought that it was quite an academic, quite cold, atheistic, materialistic, rationalistic ideology and yet what we are talking about now is a type of hysteria within the medical profession.

00:05:49.000 But the hysteria was, we were all, the world, much to my amazement, seemed to have been prone to this hysteria.

00:05:55.000 You're absolutely right.

00:05:56.000 So, now, you know, again, I was giving you just so things that came to mind when you asked your initial question.

00:06:02.000 My other sort of frame is, and I know you'll agree with this, is we've had, particularly again in this country, a narcissistic turn.

00:06:12.000 The general trait structure of our personalities have gone towards what's called Cluster B, borderline sociopath, narcissist, and I'd not seen a lot of histrionic, but it was waiting in the background, clearly, with the hysterias right on the heels of it.

00:06:28.000 I can go on and on.

00:06:29.000 I wrote a book about that 20 years ago.

00:06:32.000 You know, it's something I can talk a great deal about.

00:06:34.000 I saw it coming, I predicted, and I knew that the liability of narcissism is scapegoating.

00:06:40.000 I knew there would be scapegoating, and I knew there would be mobs, and man, I didn't know it would look like this, though.

00:06:47.000 Do you think that this narcissism and this emergence of kind of pathological conditions that would have before been regarded as extraordinary and maybe even rare and certainly as problems, and it sounds like you're saying they've become normalized, is this because of individualism?

00:07:07.000 And what do you mean by that, that everyone's become borderline sociopaths?

00:07:12.000 So I'll tell you where I noticed it.

00:07:15.000 I'm an internist, but I worked in a psychiatric hospital for 35 years.

00:07:19.000 I ran their addiction services for 20 while I was practicing general medicine in a hospital outpatient setting.

00:07:25.000 I've been 40 years in medicine.

00:07:27.000 And in the early, mid-80s, when I first started working at the psychiatric hospital, I would look at all the admitting forms, you know, patients coming in, and I would see there was always a window where we put in the personality diagnoses.

00:07:40.000 And the psychiatrist would put in, I saw all kinds of things, dependent personalities.

00:07:45.000 And the full spectrum of the A, B, and C disorders that you find in the DSM-5.

00:07:52.000 I noticed toward the end of the 80s, all of a sudden I was seeing, in the female, predominantly borderline.

00:07:58.000 And by the 1990s, only cluster B.

00:08:04.000 That's all we admitted were Cluster B patients.

00:08:07.000 And I thought at the time, if you remember, I did a, excuse me, a radio show back then, and I was talking to people, you know, by the hundreds every night, and all I was hearing about was childhood trauma, childhood trauma, childhood trauma.

00:08:20.000 And the outcome of childhood trauma is commonly a Cluster B personality, at least trait, if not disorder.

00:08:29.000 Just to reiterate, so that I understand properly, Cluster B, can you just tell me what the indicators are again?

00:08:36.000 That's the borderline narcissist, sociopath, and histrionic.

00:08:40.000 Those are the Cluster B disorders. 0.65

00:08:42.000 They're considered the narcissistic disorders.

00:08:45.000 And so, having seen that evolution, I wrote a book in the mid, probably 2000, I don't know what it was, 8 or 10 or something.

00:08:54.000 Where we actually did personality inventories on celebrities, because I started seeing that they were really struggling with this stuff.

00:09:02.000 A lot of trauma.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, you're shaking your head.

00:09:05.000 And of course, we documented that they had a higher incidence of narcissistic traits than other populations.

00:09:11.000 And even our control population, we used our control population as business school students, and they were above previously documented average.

00:09:17.000 It was very clear.

00:09:18.000 Everything was moving in that direction.

00:09:20.000 And it was all childhood trauma.

00:09:21.000 That's the underlying, the underpinning issue.

00:09:23.000 And as you know, as we used to discuss, one of the rocket fuels for addiction is trauma.

00:09:32.000 So do you think that there's been a greater increase in trauma or a tendency to diagnose trauma?

00:09:39.000 What are the prevailing ambient factors that have caused this phenomenon?

00:09:43.000 So it took until The 2000s for my profession to go, oh, adverse childhood experiences affect people's mental health and health.

00:09:54.000 Hmm.

00:09:55.000 Amazing.

00:09:56.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:09:57.000 So they developed the A scale.

00:09:59.000 What is on the A scale, which are adverse childhood experience scale, things like divorce, domestic abuse, somebody in the family in prison, somebody using substances.

00:10:08.000 And if you have more than two of those, You're, and of course overt trauma and all those sorts of things we would think of as trauma, but in this world where families are decayed, where people are using substances, where there's a lot of violence and aggression, who isn't exposed to that?

00:10:22.000 It's extremely common to be exposed to adverse childhood experience and then add to that screens.

00:10:27.000 We have no idea how that's amplifying everything and what they're being exposed to there, whether that's an independent trauma So, here we go.

00:10:35.000 I mean, it is on.

00:10:37.000 And of course, of course, it's happening more than ever.

00:10:41.000 The only period of history that I could find similar experiences of that kind of abandonment, neglect, and abuse of kids was pre-revolutionary France.

00:10:49.000 And I wanted to write a chapter in my book about that, and I was told by the editor it was too speculative.

00:10:55.000 I said, look, there's going to be guillotines, there's going to be mobs.

00:11:00.000 That's what narcissists do. 1.00

00:11:01.000 They have so much unregulated aggression, they have to form mobs and focus it on somebody else.

00:11:08.000 And here we are now.

00:11:10.000 Cancellation, everybody.

00:11:11.000 Welcome to our world.

00:11:12.000 So if you have a culture that fetishizes the individual, that is histrionic and narcissistic, sociopathic, the characteristics that you laid out, one of the symptoms when that becomes ubiquitous is the emergence of scapegoating.

00:11:28.000 It has to, the sort of culture or the society requires it.

00:11:32.000 And you're saying revolutionary France, obviously with the guillotine, practiced that in a Visible, demonstrable and dramatic way.

00:11:40.000 But you're saying that our culture is bearing those signs also.

00:11:45.000 If something's happening at that scale, it can't be moving up through individuals, can it, Doctor?

00:11:50.000 There must be some sort of central social factor.

00:11:55.000 Well, I haven't thought about it that way.

00:11:57.000 What do you, uh, it's an interesting question.

00:12:00.000 You mean like somebody taking advantage of that and sort of, uh, amplifying it or manipulating it in some way?

00:12:06.000 It means, for me, my sense is that whether there was a radical increase in addiction, you think, well why would that be?

00:12:14.000 Is there the availability of substances?

00:12:16.000 Is there economic inequality?

00:12:18.000 Is there increased poverty?

00:12:20.000 What are the social factors that likely lead to epidemic proportions being reached?

00:12:27.000 I feel that you indicated at the beginning that the values of the culture have shifted, and I feel that that's true also.

00:12:35.000 On some level, and it's a difficult thing to entirely articulate, some people in our chat are saying the breakdown of the family, and I feel like we have lost our connection with God.

00:12:45.000 I feel that our values have become Narcissistic that even identity politics and I'm sympathetic to the civil rights movements around each of the categories but what I sense is that the individual has become the sort of apex of value that what you are as a person and what you feel and what you want is the kind of summit of the social values rather than who we are as a member of a community who we are as a member of a movement or even a nation or a religion yeah I think that I feel that that plays a part somehow

00:13:18.000 Yes, there's no doubt, right? 0.98

00:13:20.000 I mean, what are the first couple of steps of recovery from a substance use, which is letting go, not controlling everything, which means, you know, as many of my patients say, they feel like they're a piece of ass around which the whole world revolves. 0.96

00:13:34.000 None of that needs to let go. 0.83

00:13:36.000 You need to let go of being... No, no, no, no.

00:13:40.000 You're not the center of the universe.

00:13:41.000 And then for people to do that fully, they have to have some sort of concept of faith.

00:13:48.000 Something.

00:13:48.000 I don't care.

00:13:49.000 I don't know what that is for everybody.

00:13:50.000 It's kind of magical to me to some extent, but I know that it's necessary for people to fully let go of their self-centric Whether it's white-centric or Eurocentric or whatever-centric it is, they have to let go.

00:14:05.000 They have to let go and be open to what the world has.

00:14:09.000 Now, doing that, it sounds just so.

00:14:13.000 It sounds like everyone should be able to do that.

00:14:15.000 It isn't easy.

00:14:15.000 It's not easy to do that, really, and to find some sort of spiritual something.

00:14:22.000 It's hard for people, but I do think we miss it badly.

00:14:25.000 I've been saying there's a spiritual malady for 20 years.

00:14:28.000 The last time we were together, that's one of the things we sort of agreed upon with clarity that there's something up.

00:14:28.000 You have too.

00:14:34.000 How we fill that emptiness, to me, I don't claim to be the carrier of that information, but I do know we need to solve it.

00:14:45.000 Yeah you're right because of course we were talking before about addiction and you were kind enough to help me with my book Recovery I remember and I went on your radio show or podcast I can't remember what medium was flourishing at that time but I do know that when we did the live Yeah, it was a print and we were talking about that.

00:15:07.000 You agreed with my interpretation of the 12 steps is about having, as you just described, a spiritual awakening and the support of a community and ultimately being able to overcome the inclination towards a type of self-centeredness that you're describing in your cluster B diagnosis there.

00:15:25.000 I want to interrupt you because I left out one thing that I was going to comment on your last construct of how you were describing the lack of connection.

00:15:33.000 Lack of connection is really what you're talking about.

00:15:35.000 Lack of connection to other, lack of connection to community, lack of connection to God, lack of connection to self, frankly.

00:15:41.000 We are disconnected.

00:15:43.000 And guess what trauma does?

00:15:44.000 It disintegrates us, disconnects us.

00:15:46.000 But I want to make one more comment because I think people will assail us for saying people aren't connected to their community.

00:15:53.000 There is a phenomenon afoot right now I call grandiose caring, which is still the narcissism.

00:15:59.000 I care!

00:16:00.000 I care so much about this group and that!

00:16:03.000 I don't care what you care about.

00:16:03.000 I care!

00:16:05.000 If you actually care about somebody, Develop a skill, develop some sort of wisdom, and go and offer it to another person.

00:16:13.000 A person.

00:16:14.000 Don't stand on the stage and beat your chest and gnash your teeth.

00:16:17.000 That is grandiose caring, that is narcissism.

00:16:21.000 I'm glad you care, I want you to care about other people, but that is not going to help the present moment.

00:16:27.000 In Christianity, I know that it's significant to do God's work privately and quietly and with humility so that it doesn't become performative.

00:16:35.000 And I guess a component of the scapegoat in has become something that's often discussed virtue performed publicly.

00:16:43.000 The appearance of morality.

00:16:45.000 And I was thinking about the culture at the moment.

00:16:47.000 I was thinking, how are people getting it up, Dr. Drew, to talk about the Oscars or the Golden Globes, when there is this immersive sense that we are in some kind of crisis?

00:16:59.000 I was so fascinated to hear your diagnosis, because it's one that I agree with.

00:17:03.000 Because continually, from this odd globalist humanitarian perspective, people will continually cite Confident statistics around, well do you know more people have been pulled out of poverty than ever before and the standard of living this and this is better than ever and I always feel like, I don't know that that's the reality a lot of people are living in.

00:17:21.000 It feels like we're in a highly precipitous and dangerous moment in a massive crisis of meaning and this kind of shared psychopathy seems relevant.

00:17:32.000 Crisis of meaning.

00:17:33.000 Yes.

00:17:35.000 What does it mean to live a good life?

00:17:39.000 And it may well be that these measures, these instruments that we measure economic well-being and, you know, people being pulled out of poverty, all that stuff you just referenced, is not relevant to the crisis of the present.

00:17:54.000 I mean, it's always relevant.

00:17:55.000 Let's be fair.

00:17:56.000 People need to be safe.

00:17:57.000 They need to be able to, you know, but they need to be able to thrive.

00:18:00.000 If you don't get people, if people are in pain, they can't thrive.

00:18:02.000 Let's just be, let's just state it such, but the, the reality of the present moment may be something different.

00:18:10.000 Spiritual crisis, lack of meaning. 0.98

00:18:12.000 What does it mean to lead a good life?

00:18:15.000 What does that mean?

00:18:16.000 And when I say it, People and again, I only have this country by deeply embedded here.

00:18:22.000 So I have this as my reference point.

00:18:24.000 They confuse a good life with happiness and hedonic happiness.

00:18:30.000 You know, I'm sure you study Schopenhauer's.

00:18:33.000 You go from happy to wanting more happiness to happy to wanting more.

00:18:38.000 Hedonic happiness is a dead-end street.

00:18:42.000 It's nice.

00:18:43.000 It's good.

00:18:45.000 But eudaimonic happiness, as Aristotle called it, is something that's much more nourishing and is the source of a good life.

00:18:53.000 So we have to each of us figure out what that meaning is for us.

00:18:59.000 And there's some You know, people have thought about that for thousands of years, and there are people that have suggested certain things.

00:19:04.000 We might return to some of that stuff, perhaps.

00:19:07.000 Yeah, the inward generation of joy compared to the external application of pleasure is a confusion that seems to have been with us some time.

00:19:17.000 I was chatting to someone about Epicureanism, the sort of like Epicurus was kind of got associated with pleasure seeking, but someone explained to me recently, no, he wasn't about pleasure.

00:19:25.000 He was about joy.

00:19:27.000 And when we start talking about pleasure over joy and transient happiness, which is Can easily commodified is very distinct from the generation of independent joy joy coming from within joy in your nature.

00:19:39.000 You said independent joy i'm of the opinion i may be wrong about this but i always noticed that real joy tends to be a shared experience.

00:19:50.000 It's something that people have together, or at least it's amplified in such a way that it becomes more substantial when it is experienced with at least an other, if not many others.

00:20:02.000 Yes, I think that's a fair assessment.

00:20:04.000 Although sometimes when I think of someone like Yogananda, like he's talking about there being an ever-present bliss

00:20:11.000 that we're blocked off from because of layers of samskara and layers of injury, and I try sometimes to contemplate

00:20:17.000 what does Christ, what's meant by the kingdom of heaven being within?

00:20:22.000 So there's no doubt, I don't wanna double down on the kind of individualism that you and I

00:20:27.000 are both decrying, and I reckon that there's a certain joy that can be derived from relationship and service,

00:20:32.000 but the idea that, what I'm trying to establish and to explain is that as a recovering addict,

00:20:38.000 the idea that pleasure is gonna come from the outside, whether it's through sex or through food

00:20:44.000 or through heroin or alcohol, that I can consume somehow pleasure

00:20:48.000 rather than through service and good conduct.

00:20:51.000 Through right conduct, joy will be generated as a byproduct rather than as the aim.

00:20:58.000 Isn't right conduct something that is in short supply also?

00:21:02.000 You know, Kant's first principles.

00:21:04.000 I just, you know, I always think it's kind of amusing.

00:21:06.000 I mean, his first principle was, of course, that, you know, behave as though your behavior can be judged as universal principle, which is essentially another way of saying behave in such a way that people can see all your choices, as though there's a camera going at all times.

00:21:20.000 And guess what, everybody?

00:21:21.000 Now there is a camera going at all times.

00:21:23.000 So you are going to be judged.

00:21:25.000 So you might as well fall in line.

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00:22:33.000 So in particular, Doctor, do you consider that a seismic occurrence took place at the commencement of the pandemic and the regulations that were imposed and the attitudes around vaccine mandates?

00:22:47.000 Was that a pivotal moment in modern history?

00:22:51.000 Did it reveal something to us?

00:22:54.000 I believe it did.

00:22:55.000 It certainly revealed something to me.

00:22:56.000 And not just a something, a lot of things.

00:22:59.000 And it's so funny when I was thinking about how you frame your Identify your program as stay free.

00:23:09.000 I thought to myself, gosh, I used to my entire career.

00:23:13.000 I used to tell people to stay well, but my shift because of covid has been stay free also and that is that is astonishing to me that I always thought that was a foregone conclusion and the fact that we have to stand up and a stat and sort of Let's say a fight for that.

00:23:33.000 It's just astonishing to me who I talk to.

00:23:38.000 I mean, I was thinking about some of the interviews I used to do on HLN and CNN.

00:23:41.000 I used to interview white supremacists.

00:23:43.000 I used to interview people.

00:23:44.000 They're way out there just to see what they're all about.

00:23:48.000 I learned what I can from them.

00:23:49.000 Now you're Not allowed to even speak!

00:23:53.000 What is that?

00:23:54.000 Who I talk to?

00:23:55.000 And by the way, I was thinking about Joe Rogan when he got treatment for his COVID.

00:24:00.000 His doctor gave him ivermectin and a monoclonal antibody and a NAD infusions, two NAD infusions.

00:24:08.000 And the press, of course, freaked out about the ivermectin.

00:24:11.000 But the NAD infusions was the really interesting thing.

00:24:14.000 And an outlying treatment, that was outlying.

00:24:16.000 No one has ever suggested that.

00:24:18.000 And it seemed to help them.

00:24:19.000 And I thought, wow, how interesting.

00:24:20.000 And whatever the hell he does with his doctors is his effing business.

00:24:25.000 Between the two of them, nobody has any business even directing their attention in that direction, let alone commenting on it. 0.99

00:24:34.000 It's disgusting.

00:24:35.000 It is disgusting that people feel at their privilege to intervene and to try to disrupt basic relationship, basic liberties.

00:24:46.000 That's mind-boggling to me.

00:24:47.000 Like you said, it became hysterical, it became political, they were unable to constrain themselves.

00:24:53.000 There was a concerted legacy media effort to shut him down, to silence and smear and disgrace him.

00:24:59.000 They dug up things from the past about him, his use of profane language.

00:25:04.000 It was extraordinary how that was coordinated and it revealed a degree of authoritarianism that, as you said, Doctor, we assumed was Off the menu.

00:25:17.000 Whether you're Democrat or Republican, we care about individual freedom and free speech.

00:25:21.000 Well, no, that isn't what's happening anymore.

00:25:23.000 That's not the dynamic.

00:25:25.000 Who knew, right?

00:25:26.000 I did never imagine that who you speak to would somebody would want to regulate or that they would... Again, this is the mob stuff.

00:25:34.000 This is mob.

00:25:35.000 This is scapegoating.

00:25:36.000 This is guillotines.

00:25:38.000 This is conframing the world as pure and impure.

00:25:42.000 It's this whole model of You know, it's a religious model, really.

00:25:47.000 They've gone bad, right, in terms of organized religion.

00:25:50.000 It's just come into this sort of social construct.

00:25:54.000 And just like they did in the French Revolution, you were never pure enough of a Republican, so you had to go on the guillotine.

00:26:00.000 And by Republican, I mean somebody who supported the New Republic.

00:26:03.000 They were called Republicans.

00:26:05.000 So, you know, first through the Jacobins, and then all the Jacobins got their heads cut off, and by the Sainte-Colette, and then Sainte-Colette and Robespierre got their heads cut off by the Royalists, and then the Royalists got put in prison by Napoleon.

00:26:17.000 It was one thing.

00:26:18.000 It does not go well, everybody.

00:26:20.000 You are in the interest of all to stop now.

00:26:23.000 Stop this nonsense now.

00:26:26.000 Doc, is this a good time for us to talk about the wellness company that are promoting and are partnering us with our content today that I believe you are affiliated with?

00:26:35.000 We've already done a promo for the wellness company for the medical kits, where in the event of an emergency, you would have in your home necessary medicines, including the controversial prize-winning Ivermectin, as well as a variety of other products.

00:26:51.000 Can you tell us what that kit is and what, in particular, what your affiliation with it is?

00:26:56.000 I'm a member of their chief medical board.

00:26:58.000 There is a variety of physicians on that board with differing opinions.

00:27:01.000 We're not all in complete unison on everything, but we all agree that the physician-patient relationship has been adulterated.

00:27:08.000 We were just talking about Joe Rogan and how people tried to adulterate his relationship with his doctor.

00:27:15.000 The physician is powerless in this country right now, so I am interested in empowering patients.

00:27:19.000 They should have access to things that they know how to use, that are simple to use, that we can teach them to use.

00:27:23.000 They can have backup with telehealth.

00:27:25.000 There's more efficient and certainly much less expensive ways to do that, and that's what the wellness company is all about.

00:27:30.000 There's many more things to come.

00:27:32.000 Pay attention.

00:27:33.000 We have some other readiness kits coming that I think you'll be amazed by.

00:27:37.000 When you think about it, of course you should have these things on hand.

00:27:40.000 They're easy to use.

00:27:41.000 You know how to use them.

00:27:42.000 And I'm just proud to be a part of their organization.

00:27:45.000 I'm a paid member of that board and I'm happy to be a part of it.

00:27:48.000 It's not prepper type stuff then.

00:27:50.000 It's not necessarily in the event of an emergency, you should have antibiotics, antivirals.

00:27:55.000 You think it's just a sort of a sensible thing for people to have in their home anyway?

00:28:00.000 Both.

00:28:01.000 I think, look, my wife is lucky because, you know, if it's an after hours situation and her physician's unavailable, I can kind of step in and help out.

00:28:11.000 It's not a great idea to treat your family, but there's certain things that are just so easy to use that people should just have.

00:28:16.000 And I've thought for When people travel, I give them a batch of medicines.

00:28:22.000 I teach them how to use them.

00:28:23.000 Here's how you use these things if this happens.

00:28:26.000 And guess what?

00:28:27.000 I've been doing that for 20 years.

00:28:28.000 Never been a problem.

00:28:30.000 Guess what?

00:28:30.000 Our travel kits are coming next.

00:28:32.000 Right, so it'll be things like antibiotics, antiparasitics, medicines that are likely to be useful in the event of a variety of kind of common conditions.

00:28:41.000 Common, urgent, after hours.

00:28:44.000 For God's sakes, don't go to an urgent care where you pay for all that real estate, all that equipment, all those employees. 0.59

00:28:50.000 You pay for that when you walk in there.

00:28:53.000 Our system could be infinitely more efficient and this is an attempt to bring it that way.

00:28:57.000 Well brilliant, well we'll post a link for that right now and I guess we're doing some kind of discount I would hope given that we are like affiliated in some way but we'll post that right now.

00:29:07.000 Thank you doctor.

00:29:08.000 Can we move elegantly onto the subject of excess deaths?

00:29:14.000 It's a difficult thing to talk about because of censorship as well as the fact that you know well take this example there's been an eight percent increase in excess deaths among children in the United Kingdom.

00:29:24.000 It's difficult to countenance that that means There's a higher likelihood that your own children are going to die.

00:29:30.000 Why is this?

00:29:32.000 And I saw recently a Channel 4 documentary that, interestingly, were one of the companies that attacked me recently, in conjunction with other legacy media organizations, simultaneously, working together on their investigation.

00:29:43.000 When they were talking about excess death, they literally did an item on the news.

00:29:47.000 There's a mystery thing.

00:29:49.000 People are just dying.

00:29:50.000 We don't know what it is.

00:29:52.000 Every single comment under the video is, we know what this is!

00:29:55.000 Everyone knows what this is!

00:29:57.000 Like, let's say, what's happening and why is there not an appetite to investigate this in a fearless and thorough way?

00:30:06.000 That is the bigger mystery, right?

00:30:08.000 That's the part that is nefarious, concerning, egregious.

00:30:15.000 Your country is beginning to have some hearings on this in the Parliament, though it's just getting started.

00:30:21.000 I've watched some of that.

00:30:22.000 They're being done well and properly and thoughtfully and non-hysterically.

00:30:27.000 And we have to be open to any and all explanation.

00:30:31.000 My own belief is, my suspicion is, I shouldn't say belief because it is science, my suspicion is we're going to find that the real culprit is the spike protein, however you are exposed to it.

00:30:44.000 And so the more exposure to spike, the more we're going to see difficulty.

00:30:48.000 It is clearly the pathogenic part of the virus.

00:30:53.000 And of course, many of the vaccines, that's what we're creating to create the immune reaction, is more spike.

00:31:00.000 And maybe some people produce more spike than others.

00:31:02.000 Something.

00:31:03.000 We'll find out.

00:31:04.000 But it is going to be the spike.

00:31:06.000 But the astonishing thing Is that there, there are more people dying in this excess death pandemic than died in COVID.

00:31:16.000 And yet we shut the world down for that.

00:31:18.000 What is going on here?

00:31:19.000 I'm not saying on any given day, there's more people dying.

00:31:22.000 I'm saying the cumulative effect of excess deaths persisting year in and year out, we're going to easily surpass COVID.

00:31:31.000 And so why isn't there, forget the urgency, just.

00:31:36.000 Why is no country doing that?

00:31:38.000 This is the astonishing thing to me, that the whole world shut down, the whole world became hysterical, and the entire world is ignoring this thing.

00:31:49.000 Now, maybe they don't feel it's the place of government, maybe it's the medical system that has to come up with that.

00:31:55.000 And we take a long time to cull through stuff, to come up with the evidence of what's going on.

00:32:00.000 If you leave it just to the medical system, who's going to pay for the studies?

00:32:04.000 How's that going to get done?

00:32:05.000 Obviously, pharmaceutical is not very interested in it.

00:32:08.000 So I think government's going to have to step up and do it.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, I hope you're right.

00:32:13.000 Just to give you some information on the COVID inquiry in the UK, it's cost £145 million up until now.

00:32:19.000 They're delaying the significant questions indefinitely.

00:32:22.000 They've not said when they're going to continue the inquiry, but it will certainly be after the elections in the summer.

00:32:26.000 So there's the kind of opacity that's defined investigations in your country as well.

00:32:32.000 And it Obviously, being a skeptical person, I can't help but think that some powerful interests are being served or protected by the way that this is subsequently being handled.

00:32:41.000 And on that subject, Anthony Fauci has gone from being a sort of a hero, very deliberately portrayed in that manner as well, from late night talk shows, holding dance numbers, and we're all invited to adore Anthony Fauci.

00:32:56.000 He proclaimed himself as being The science, in inverted commas, and he also said publicly that people, when the right measures are imposed on them, will lose their ideological BS.

00:33:09.000 I wonder if you think that irreparable damage has been done in the institutions that surround American medicine, the CDC, the NIH, etc., due to Fauci's conduct and some of the odd financial relationships around that time.

00:33:23.000 Well, again, a lot packed into your questions, as always.

00:33:27.000 And I don't know about irreparable damage because they were adulterated and we didn't know it.

00:33:33.000 And thank God we know it now.

00:33:35.000 So maybe we can do something about it.

00:33:38.000 Maybe.

00:33:39.000 The fact that it had gone so far in a certain direction where regulators and pharmaceutical companies are so intertwined.

00:33:46.000 And by the way, the publishing infrastructure and major medical journals, this is all... I'm not allowed even to allow a drug rep into my office to give me a pen with a drug name on it.

00:34:01.000 And yet these guys go back and forth between and amongst each other and share each other's jobs and livelihoods.

00:34:07.000 It's just...

00:34:08.000 You got it.

00:34:09.000 This needs a very careful analysis.

00:34:12.000 Number one.

00:34:13.000 Number two, you mentioned how Dr. Fauci was a hero.

00:34:15.000 Dr. Fauci has been my hero my whole career.

00:34:18.000 He was the reason I got involved in radio.

00:34:20.000 I was deeply involved in treating AIDS patients, and in the mid-early 80s, when we were just starting to go from calling this thing grids to AIDS, he was saying, you know, you got to get out there.

00:34:30.000 He actually was telling us to go out and scare people.

00:34:32.000 Sound familiar?

00:34:33.000 That's going to be millions of dead, millions of dead!

00:34:35.000 And I dutifully did that, and I scared the hell out of a whole generation of high school students.

00:34:41.000 That they were all going to get AIDS, and they were all equally likely to get it, and they had to use a condom.

00:34:46.000 And I believe that. 0.95

00:34:47.000 I thought we stopped that from happening by scaring the crap out of these kids.

00:34:53.000 But I apologize now if that had adverse effect.

00:34:56.000 I see now the In the advantageous outcome of using fear, we should never use fear and panic in medicine.

00:35:03.000 It's unethical, and I apologize if my participation that harmed people, but we really had a, you know, that was a deadly illness with a 100% fatality rate.

00:35:15.000 Not a 1% fatality rate, a 100% fatality rate, and it was a bleak, dark period.

00:35:22.000 I was telling, as a fourth-year medical student, I was telling young men regularly They had six months to live, so there was a degree of panic.

00:35:29.000 I was never wrong, by the way.

00:35:31.000 So there's that.

00:35:32.000 Now, when this thing hit, you know, the things that I got criticized for were obviously, you know, when things go viral, you know, I'm sure you've noticed, it's never what you say.

00:35:43.000 It's always what somebody says you said.

00:35:44.000 That's never what you say.

00:35:45.000 And of course, no one ever comes back and goes, would you clarify that?

00:35:47.000 What did you mean?

00:35:48.000 Never, ever, ever.

00:35:49.000 And if you try, no, they keep saying something else other than what you've said, which then that goes viral.

00:35:57.000 It's just insidious. 0.91

00:35:58.000 It's disgusting.

00:35:59.000 But there we are.

00:36:00.000 That's how things go viral.

00:36:01.000 And when things are viral on me, the one thing they always cut out of my comments was the thing I actually got wrong.

00:36:09.000 Because the thing I actually got wrong was at the end of every comment I would say, please just listen to Dr. Fauci, listen to the CDC, they've been guiding my career, you can rely on these people to get us through it.

00:36:18.000 And I believed that until Dr. Fauci was in front of our government and they asked him whether we should, whether, you know, Dr. Fauci, you've closed down church practices out of doors, is it okay to go to a political demonstration?

00:36:32.000 And he looked and he went, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:36:34.000 And I thought, oh, he's been adulterated.

00:36:37.000 Something's wrong.

00:36:38.000 This is not the same man.

00:36:38.000 Something is something.

00:36:40.000 What is going on here?

00:36:41.000 And it just went from on and on and on from there.

00:36:44.000 So I kept expecting him to go back to his baseline reversion to the mean.

00:36:49.000 But it just it kind of never happened.

00:36:51.000 And it sort of was a misapplication of some of the same strategies we use back in the AIDS days.

00:36:55.000 It's a different time.

00:36:56.000 And that thing that those strategies are not useful, not good.

00:37:01.000 Probably weren't good then.

00:37:02.000 It's quite extraordinary and frightening, I would think, to be in a position where, necessarily, if you're a medical profession, you have to operate within institutions, because institutions, when they're good, are the housing of expertise and accumulative knowledge, but institutions, when they are bad, are the vessels for corruption, and it seems like you've almost experienced that metastasis.

00:37:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:32.000 It's been sort of an evolution.

00:37:33.000 And like I said, it went from stay well to stay free.

00:37:37.000 That's what my, that's my evolution.

00:37:39.000 And part of that is looking, then I started looking at a lot of things.

00:37:44.000 Look, medical literature.

00:37:46.000 I, during COVID, I read the journals religiously and carefully, and all of a sudden during COVID, all the science went one direction.

00:37:55.000 That is not science then.

00:37:58.000 Science is a back and forth, and it kind of moves as you come to understand the landscape of literature.

00:38:03.000 It moves in a certain direction.

00:38:04.000 You kind of develop a consensus.

00:38:05.000 It doesn't just go one way.

00:38:08.000 And I thought, there's something wrong with the editorial process, too.

00:38:11.000 Actually, I saved one journalist, not here on my desk right now.

00:38:15.000 But Annals of Internal Medicine, about two years into COVID, finally started writing some articles that were about budesonide and about fluvoxamine and about alternative treatments for early COVID.

00:38:25.000 I thought, oh!

00:38:26.000 My Annals of Original Medicine has returned.

00:38:27.000 They're back.

00:38:28.000 They're showing the full spectrum of what's out there.

00:38:32.000 But remember that Danish study that showed that a small percentage of the initial rollout of the vaccine was responsible for 90% of the adverse reactions?

00:38:40.000 I don't know if you know that study.

00:38:42.000 It was a great study done by a Danish researcher and physician.

00:38:44.000 It took her two years to get that published.

00:38:47.000 Two years!

00:38:48.000 Two years to publish something that should have been Just out and before us and top of mind.

00:38:57.000 Yes, yes.

00:38:58.000 Yes, because in a sense there were opportunities to intervene with what led to incidents of catastrophic incidents.

00:39:09.000 Yes, that's astonishing that there were so many examples of the narrative being controlled and directed.

00:39:17.000 Still now it's very difficult to talk about batches Because that indicates that the process was not reliable, that there was variation.

00:39:24.000 There are so many lines of inquiry that are just impossible.

00:39:27.000 I have a few questions, if it's okay, from people in our chat.

00:39:31.000 Primal Colin says, what are your opinions, Doctor, on, well, it's quite a lot of questions.

00:39:38.000 Disease X, mRNA slippage, SV40, and the New Zealand whistleblower data.

00:39:42.000 Maybe the whistleblower data, what do you think about that?

00:39:45.000 Because I suppose, I'm sure you're familiar, and potentially there could be 17 million Excess deaths based on that.

00:39:51.000 I've heard that figure elsewhere also.

00:39:54.000 I pulled that study recently.

00:39:56.000 I don't know what to make of anything right now.

00:39:59.000 I just know we need to continue to look and examine and try to figure things out.

00:40:04.000 Not get hysterical on any front.

00:40:07.000 Ascending to the truth takes time.

00:40:08.000 It's hard.

00:40:09.000 It's not about being right.

00:40:11.000 It's about trying to get to a clear understanding of what's going on here.

00:40:15.000 I don't know if you saw the Austrian study that came out also that Vinay Prasad put out, he put on Twitter, which was, I want to read you that one.

00:40:24.000 I actually pulled it up because that will really interest your audience, it seems to me.

00:40:28.000 Here it is.

00:40:29.000 We did not, this is an excellent study, well done, peer-reviewed.

00:40:33.000 We did not observe a significant vaccine effect from the fourth vaccine dose, COVID-19 deaths, during a time with already very low absolute risk for outcome, meaning the vaccine had no effect.

00:40:45.000 And they observe no individuals younger than 40 years died of COVID-19.

00:40:49.000 So why are we getting vaccinated at all?

00:40:52.000 This is the thing.

00:40:53.000 Let's say the risk of myocarditis is one in...

00:40:56.000 50,000.

00:40:56.000 It may be 1 in 800, but let's say it's just for the sake of argument, it's 1 in 50,000.

00:41:01.000 The risk of dying of COVID is zero under 40.

00:41:04.000 Why are we putting anybody at any risk of cardiac injury?

00:41:08.000 Why are we doing that?

00:41:09.000 And why pushing?

00:41:10.000 Why pushing so hard?

00:41:12.000 Especially we know the spike protein is the pathogen.

00:41:15.000 By the way, we have other vaccine alternatives.

00:41:17.000 What about Covaxin?

00:41:18.000 What about whole viral alternatives?

00:41:19.000 Why don't we, why don't we, if you want to push vaccine, how about those?

00:41:23.000 Why this one?

00:41:24.000 And why only this one?

00:41:26.000 Weird, right?

00:41:28.000 And then how do I give informed consent to a 22-year-old?

00:41:32.000 How do I do that?

00:41:34.000 When all of it is obscured and obfuscated, except to say, look, the recently published data suggests your risk of death is zero.

00:41:43.000 Do we want to talk about the potential adverse effects of the vaccine, given that your risk of death is zero from this illness?

00:41:49.000 I don't know.

00:41:50.000 I don't know.

00:41:52.000 For me, it seems like it was an extremely revealing period that I obviously come from a Different world in many regards, though there are crossovers in our experience and some of our perspectives.

00:42:05.000 But for me, the confirmation that you cannot trust authority, that various arms of the establishment work in conjunction in order to achieve favoured outcomes, that crises are utilised to impose power, that if there's an opportunity to introduce authoritarianism and Generate profit, it will be taken.

00:42:24.000 All of these sort of pre-existing biases, I would have to call them, appear to get like pretty significant ticks next to them over that couple of year period.

00:42:35.000 But isn't it astonishing?

00:42:36.000 I mean, you and I grew up in similar eras when at least, you know, question authority was our presumed position.

00:42:44.000 That's how we, and then We expected our press to speak to the people in power and to question the people in power.

00:42:51.000 That is flipped on its head, where people are signing on to authoritarianism and are becoming a part of the elites and reinforcing their excesses.

00:43:03.000 Okay, now we need to become a student of history, because that is not something that I would expect in your country or mine, and yet here we are.

00:43:11.000 By the way, the French, back to the French Revolution, the French youth have been pushing back on this.

00:43:16.000 They have been bristling about it since they were getting a vaccine mandate.

00:43:20.000 They were in the streets on Friday and Saturday night demonstrating against that.

00:43:24.000 They're saying, how's that liberty?

00:43:25.000 It's a founding principle of this country.

00:43:27.000 How is that liberty?

00:43:29.000 Yeah, in every protest movement, you can rely on the French to take it to extremes. 1.00

00:43:33.000 It's agricultural, we're dumping stuff in the street.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, thank God for the French, you have to say once in a while, even as an English person. 1.00

00:43:41.000 Yeah, it's become clear that the function of the media is to normalise and amplify the agenda of the establishment.

00:43:48.000 That's a sort of a paradigm that, you know, whether that's to introduce a new piece of technology, a new piece of legislation, to shut down a piece of dissent, it's become something that's become prevalent and You can candidly state in this space now.

00:44:03.000 Doc, we've got to wrap up now.

00:44:04.000 Thank you so much for your contribution and your participation.

00:44:07.000 And on a personal note, it's just lovely to see you again.

00:44:10.000 Really lovely and heartwarming.

00:44:12.000 It is lovely to see you too.

00:44:13.000 I don't know if you remember, but every time you and I talk together, we go, we've got to do more.

00:44:16.000 We need to spend more time together.

00:44:19.000 I'm feeling that now!

00:44:21.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 We should do this again.

00:44:23.000 We could have talked for another hour easily.

00:44:25.000 We could do a variety of things.

00:44:26.000 We could do things where we do questions and answers.

00:44:28.000 We talk about mental health, addiction, corruption, the duty of the physicians.

00:44:32.000 There's so many things.

00:44:34.000 Let's do it.

00:44:35.000 Let's just do it.

00:44:35.000 We'll figure out a way to do it.

00:44:37.000 Dr. Drew, thank you.

00:44:38.000 I would love to come visit you too.

00:44:39.000 That'd be fun.

00:44:39.000 You're always welcome here.

00:44:41.000 Lots of love to you, Doc.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 26, 2024

Dr Drew - Medicine and Media: Unmasking Modern Healthcare

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