Stay Free - Russel Brand - Dr. Oz and the War for Your Health - SF618

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Bran and Russell Russell Bradley trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brad, I'm joined not by Bat One Oz, whose name evokes such incredible mystery, but perhaps the woman who legitimizes that mystery.

00:00:26.000 Dr. Oz and Lisa Oz, thank you for joining me.

00:00:29.000 Thank you, my friend.

00:00:30.000 It's so lovely to have you here in DC.

00:00:32.000 It's so lovely to meet you on camera.

00:00:34.000 Dr. Oz, will you bring your microphone?

00:00:36.000 I was going to just mumble to you and have you reinterpret what I was saying.

00:00:39.000 I mean, there aren't many members of the current administration that have had so much media experience.

00:00:45.000 So to see you neglect one of the fundaments, it's not a silent era.

00:00:50.000 It's not Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin communicating.

00:00:53.000 It's so lovely to have both of you here today.

00:00:56.000 As administrator of the CMS, you have now crossed the threshold from not only entertainment into politics, but also from campaigning into government.

00:01:07.000 I know the big, beautiful build is particularly important to the department with which you are charged.

00:01:12.000 And I would love you to let me know initially what you want to convey to our audience.

00:01:16.000 I've seen that some of the amendments include who will not gain access to Medicare, but I know that your personal motivations as a family, because I've had the privilege of spending time with you, is the spiritual as well as general well-being of people everywhere, but now obviously particularly and specifically American people.

00:01:37.000 I wonder how you are going to marry together the economic expedience that's going to be required of you in your new position with the requirement to be compassionate and loving and graceful, which is what I know you to be as a man and as a family.

00:01:53.000 Well, thank you for asking the question that way because it's actually a question.

00:01:57.000 And 80% of the questions I hear these days are actually statements in disguise.

00:02:01.000 So it actually helps to truly be curious about the motivation and the deeper goals that we have in this administration and at CMS.

00:02:09.000 I'm going to say the most important thing, I'm going to say the entire interview right now.

00:02:12.000 Are you ready?

00:02:13.000 Yes, sir.

00:02:14.000 The main goal for CMS is not just paying the bills of health care.

00:02:19.000 It's incentivizing behaviors that are healthy, wise, and will benefit our children.

00:02:25.000 And if we do it that way, then the pennies and dollars and billions and trillions of dollars we spend, because literally that's how big it gets, will be used to get providers, doctors, hospitals to offer care in a very different kind of fashion.

00:02:38.000 It'll be used to get patients to address challenges that they should be overcoming.

00:02:43.000 Chronic illness is primarily driven by lifestyle behaviors.

00:02:46.000 And it'll allow the entire country to move forward in a very different way.

00:02:49.000 Now, I'm going to reduce that grandiose statement to the reality of what happens in the one big, beautiful act.

00:02:56.000 It's actually a law now.

00:02:57.000 It's not even a bill anymore.

00:02:59.000 It's become an act, which makes it a law.

00:03:01.000 So here's the fundamental charge I was given by the president.

00:03:04.000 And he's a very thoughtful person about how this all works out.

00:03:08.000 That don't touch the bones, the fundamentals that provide the social safety net of our country.

00:03:14.000 Don't touch social security.

00:03:15.000 Don't touch Medicare.

00:03:16.000 Remember, Medicare is the program created 60 years ago this week that with Medicaid provides a social network, a framing of the obligations that we as a society have to our elderly in the case of Medicare and to our vulnerable in the case of Medicaid.

00:03:32.000 And the original goal is stated beautifully.

00:03:35.000 You walk into the building that Secretary Kennedy, who sends his regards, by the way, and I live in, which is the Hubert Humphrey building.

00:03:44.000 Hubert Humphrey gave his quote.

00:03:46.000 And it's very clear in his passion for it.

00:03:49.000 And we all share this passion, which is that a government has a moral obligation, a moral obligation, and he uses the light metaphor beautifully here, a moral obligation to help those at the dawn of their life, children, those at the twilight of their life, the seniors, and those who are living in the shadows, Russell.

00:04:08.000 Living in the shadows, and you've gone through the AA program.

00:04:12.000 You beautifully, I think, articulates what it really means to be struggling.

00:04:17.000 But all those people are the ones we should be covering and helping.

00:04:20.000 If you're helping people beyond those groups, you're changing the rules of engagement and they have downstream impact.

00:04:27.000 And again, the most important thing I keep seeing in my job day and I make a decision, I think it's going to help doctors, it hurts hospitals, or I think it's going to help the deal with access to care.

00:04:36.000 It actually hinders it because there are downstream impacts of all these things.

00:04:38.000 So in the beautiful bill, we said, first off, this bill is going to address a fundamental abuse that's entered into the healthcare system, which is to take people who are able-bodied and allow them to remain on the dole, on welfare, even though they could change that reality.

00:04:56.000 Now, in Great Britain, you have some experience in that beautiful country.

00:05:01.000 Because this wasn't addressed in the right way, there are now generations where no one knows anybody else in their family who's ever worked.

00:05:09.000 If you make it easy to not work, that happens.

00:05:11.000 Your grandfather didn't have a job.

00:05:13.000 Your father didn't have a job.

00:05:14.000 You don't have a job.

00:05:15.000 Your kid doesn't have a job.

00:05:16.000 You don't model what work reflects.

00:05:18.000 And America was built on being a productive nation.

00:05:22.000 And all great people take care of their most vulnerable.

00:05:24.000 And we're a great nation.

00:05:25.000 We'll do that.

00:05:26.000 But we don't do it in a way that enables behaviors that aren't healthy in a society or in a family.

00:05:31.000 So the one big, beautiful bill, the law, now states that if you have the ability to work or to engage in the community at any level, you must do that.

00:05:41.000 You must either try to get a job or get a job and work 20 hours a week, halftime, but it counts.

00:05:48.000 You must try to volunteer in your community in one of many ways.

00:05:51.000 You must try to get an education, improve your lot in life, take care of children in your family, do something that shows that you have agency over your future.

00:05:59.000 If you do that, we will give you free health care insurance.

00:06:03.000 But if you're not willing to do that, we're going to make it uncomfortable enough that you might think about doing that.

00:06:08.000 And we know this works because over the last 18 months, 15 million people have come off Medicaid because many of them were on inappropriately.

00:06:16.000 They were not checking anymore after COVID.

00:06:18.000 As it started to get checked, people came off.

00:06:21.000 Only 10% had a problem with that and became uninsured.

00:06:25.000 90% of people took the deal.

00:06:27.000 They said, you know what?

00:06:28.000 You offer me free healthcare insurance.

00:06:30.000 If I just try to help myself do something I should probably be doing anyway, do something that someone should have told me to do anyway, and I'll take that deal.

00:06:38.000 Lisa, with this act now passed, with your husband, beloved Dr. Oz, now in a position of significant authority, with men like Secretary Kennedy, is similarly empowered, and Jay Bacharia and Marty Makari, great people, Cali means and Casey Means, all people that I've had the good privilege of meeting, now in positions of power, now the recipients of significant budgets backed by a powerful mandate.

00:07:04.000 What is the necessity for the Maha Alliance, ultimately a campaigning and support group and an awareness group, now that the people that are at the forefront of that movement are in administration?

00:07:18.000 Well, Maha is not just governmental.

00:07:22.000 And if you think about making America healthy, there is the part that is the government, because even if you want to make good choices, if there are structures in place that are preventing that from happening, it's almost impossible to do so.

00:07:36.000 But people have to have agency.

00:07:38.000 People have to be choosing healthy lifestyles, healthy foods.

00:07:43.000 So Maha Alliance is working with governors of certain states to put in place education programs where we can teach not just food, but healthy cooking, just integrating health into the general public.

00:07:58.000 Now, if Maha and the government doesn't do their jobs, you can make healthy choices, but never know that what you're buying has artificial dyes in it, artificial sweeteners, over-processed.

00:08:11.000 So we need the education portion on the ground, but we also need the governmental shift to happen.

00:08:18.000 Yes.

00:08:18.000 And in a way, isn't there even in office a requirement to continue to communicate messages to people about their own agency, as you have suggested, the choices that they can individually make and for their families?

00:08:35.000 But do you consider it, both of you, to be true that even when you have access to the levers of power, there seems to be, when talking about those shadows, the indication is that the people that are in the shadows are those that have been neglected or lost or abandoned by society.

00:08:52.000 And yet elsewhere in the shadows, it's quite possible that another contributor, we've talked about how at the, shall we call it the lower rungs of society, there are people that are unable to participate in health on account of the kind of problems that you've described, loss of agency through institutionalized welfare.

00:09:09.000 But at the upper echelons of society, perhaps there are interests that are able to maneuver and manage big food, big agriculture, which I know is not part of your remit, but also big pharma, which is, in a sense, part of the mandate, a significant part of the mandate, certainly when considering a figure like yourself, doctor, or Secretary Kennedy, and like some of these sort of near-radicals that are now in sort of the NIH or the FDA, is people don't trust big pharma.

00:09:34.000 People don't trust big food.

00:09:35.000 People don't think that the Diabetes Foundation should receive funding from processed food companies.

00:09:41.000 People don't think that cancer and heart disease foundations should receive funding from processed food.

00:09:46.000 And doesn't this lead us very quickly to both the problems of the deep state, surely they lurk in the shadows, and giant corporate interests that are able to access levers of power inaccessible, not only to the electorate, but to people in office.

00:10:00.000 Russell, such a powerful way of expressing it.

00:10:03.000 So let's do both extremes.

00:10:04.000 You mentioned both.

00:10:05.000 So this weekend, I was visiting a hospital system in South Jersey, and I went to see a federally qualified health clinic.

00:10:12.000 These are clinics that actually work quite elegantly to provide comprehensive care, usually to folks in the lower rungs of the social system, as you use our phraseology, but folks who are vulnerable.

00:10:22.000 And I said, well, how many patients do you have today?

00:10:25.000 She says, depends what you mean.

00:10:27.000 I said, what's vague about how many patients that you see today?

00:10:29.000 She says, well, we booked 80 patients.

00:10:31.000 We hope half will come.

00:10:34.000 Really?

00:10:35.000 I said, well, is it expensive?

00:10:36.000 She says, no, it's basically free.

00:10:38.000 Half of the people who said they're going to come today to see a doctor to give life-saving advice, life-changing insights, only half show up.

00:10:46.000 And she said, yes.

00:10:47.000 So I went back to the team.

00:10:49.000 I said, how often does that happen?

00:10:51.000 Here's the data.

00:10:51.000 You ready for this?

00:10:52.000 The chance of a Medicaid patient showing up at a doctor's office, again, Medicaid is a program for the vulnerable members of the population.

00:11:00.000 The chance of them showing up for their doctor's office is one-fifth the chance of a Medicare patient.

00:11:06.000 So older folks who are getting social support, having paid into a system their whole life, you know, for whatever reason, when they want to make a doctor's appointment, they tend to show up. 0.65

00:11:15.000 Whereas the folks who have not been able to do those things don't show up.

00:11:19.000 So there is a bit of a challenge just to get people to believe that they matter and they should control their destiny.

00:11:28.000 I bring this up because if you don't fight for that every single day, then moneyed interests do take charge and they do begin to make it hard to be healthy in America.

00:11:39.000 And that's what we're witnessing.

00:11:40.000 And you've regaled the audience many times, so I won't repeat it, and how much processed food has replaced the cigarette industry as in with similar tactics as a measure that has allowed people to feed food addictions or other habits that they have in their life.

00:11:57.000 And that just this past week, another data set came out arguing that it's not activity, physical activity by itself, but it's processed food that's at a root cause of muscular obesity that we're experiencing because it makes it easier to eat more food of the kinds that don't matter to your body.

00:12:12.000 Foods with low nutritional value don't trigger in the brain the same response as foods with high nutritional value.

00:12:18.000 And I'll give you a good example, nuts.

00:12:21.000 And you should always soak your nuts, by the way, Russell.

00:12:23.000 I don't know if you know that.

00:12:24.000 I'm soaking them right now.

00:12:25.000 I bought a small trough with me from Florida.

00:12:27.000 I soaked it.

00:12:27.000 Perfect.

00:12:28.000 So how to generate my own fluids.

00:12:30.000 So proud of you.

00:12:30.000 Exactly.

00:12:32.000 But I digress.

00:12:34.000 We both do.

00:12:35.000 So the reality with nuts is they're baby trees, right?

00:12:40.000 So baby trees like eggs have tremendous nutritional value.

00:12:44.000 When you eat nuts, your brain says, hmm, I got all the nutrients I was looking for.

00:12:48.000 I'm not going to ask you to keep eating.

00:12:50.000 That's why in every clinical trial, although they are very dense in calories, this high caloric food, nuts, has always been associated with loss of Weight, not gain of weight.

00:13:01.000 So people don't eat nuts because they think I don't want to put weight on their fattening because they have fat in them, they got lots of calories.

00:13:06.000 But the actual impact on your body is the opposite because your body's looking for nutrients, not calories.

00:13:12.000 Now, compare that to soda pop.

00:13:15.000 If you go to a lunch and have 160-calorie soda pop, which is the average amount in a can of soft drink, the impact on your body is devastating because your body keeps eating lunch as though you didn't have the soda pop.

00:13:28.000 It doesn't process liquid carbohydrates that are empty with no nutritional value as food.

00:13:33.000 And so you actually overeat.

00:13:34.000 The entire obesity epidemic is about 100 calories a day, just done every single day.

00:13:39.000 So once you start to eat real food, food that comes out of the ground, looking the way it looks when you're harvesting it, all of a sudden your body says, I recognize that.

00:13:47.000 I understand the nutrient density of that.

00:13:49.000 I'm going to stop eating more.

00:13:50.000 So that's the kind of move that we should be making as a nation.

00:13:53.000 And Secretary Kennedy is laser focused on this.

00:13:56.000 Of course, when you do that, people eat less food.

00:13:58.000 So all of a sudden, sales go down.

00:14:01.000 You stop actually creating some of the illnesses that have other financial benefits to the system.

00:14:08.000 So the financial lever arms don't push back on this.

00:14:11.000 They may not push it forward, but they don't stop it.

00:14:13.000 And again, I want to use money as a tool, like any ecosystem would have, for the right behavior to take place, for the right changes to occur.

00:14:22.000 If we use money correctly, it's an ally.

00:14:25.000 If we allow it to be used against us, it's the worst weapon to fight against.

00:14:30.000 Because as Mark Dwain said, it's very hard to convince a man of something when his financial well-being depends on it.

00:14:36.000 I'd like to interject here, if that's okay, because when you talked about financial well-being and the shadows, you mentioned the two types of shadows, people who are living in the shadows, but also the industry that is another shadow element of our society, right?

00:14:48.000 big industry, big farm, big agriculture, big business.

00:14:54.000 We were having a conversation yesterday because I'm the type of person who It was your birthday, by the way, yesterday.

00:15:04.000 We had other kinds of conversations.

00:15:06.000 Thank you.

00:15:07.000 Sorry that I missed it.

00:15:08.000 And happy to Laura.

00:15:08.000 I thought we did give you that thing.

00:15:10.000 You did.

00:15:10.000 You brought me a present.

00:15:11.000 You brought me a present.

00:15:13.000 Again, Russell and I got it together, in all fairness.

00:15:15.000 We've been planning this a while.

00:15:17.000 Thanks, Mesa.

00:15:19.000 But we were having a conversation because I get very impassioned about this sort of thing and get angry.

00:15:24.000 And I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself and say, this is so terrible.

00:15:27.000 These people are doing this, taking advantage.

00:15:29.000 They're all about money. 0.97

00:15:31.000 They're evil.

00:15:31.000 Remember, I said, no, they're not evil.

00:15:33.000 I said, they are.

00:15:34.000 And I said, well, maybe if they're not evil, they're just prioritizing the wrong thing.

00:15:38.000 And all of a sudden it clicked and we had this conversation where it's not that people are deliberately or industry or are deliberately hurting people.

00:15:48.000 They're just prioritizing something other than our health for a long time.

00:15:56.000 What is the beauty of Maha and people like President Trump and Bobby and Mehmet and Jay and Marty, all the people that you mentioned, they prioritize health and wellness.

00:16:08.000 And that has not been the focus of our country.

00:16:11.000 And what Maha is allowing us to do is take the prioritization of money and shift it with governmental force to prioritizing health.

00:16:21.000 I think that's what makes Maha so beautiful to me.

00:16:23.000 I mean, we took a tremendous risk using the word shadow so repeatedly, given that you are a Jungian scholar and the word shadow is going to provoke, I'm sure, a pretty profound image system.

00:16:36.000 But I like the idea that you elect not to purgure the motives of these industries and instead appoint a kind of systemic inertia to them, following a sort of a systemic mandate achieved over time that tends towards poor outcomes.

00:16:54.000 Although I must be honest, as a conspiracy theorist myself, that I do sometimes think evil has somehow entered these systems.

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00:19:14.000 I suppose my question to both of you and the different types of complementary power that you wield is how do we ensure that the Maha movement is supporting the mandate of Secretary Kennedy and the other members of this team when it comes to representing the interests of the people, 0.95

00:19:35.000 the population, that do require education, that do require incentivization, that do require a new movement, but that we don't become, that that doesn't become diluted or lost.

00:19:48.000 That doesn't become diluted and lost because of when we inevitably find ourselves interfacing with deep and entrenched systems of power, whether they are whether they're, whether the results are coming about as a result of institutional systemic inertia or some, this is the image I've got, Dr. Ross, some dreadful parastalsis squeezing down the cubeways, the most awful feces of public corporate office.

00:20:17.000 Sorry for the image system.

00:20:18.000 I got carried away.

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00:20:20.000 I went with it because what I feel is what seems to happen is that even when we campaign on the basis of empowering and educating people, and of course individuals have to have sovereignty and engagement and agency, when I see the environments that are created through media, whether that's through advertising, through encouragement, let alone addiction, which you've touched upon already, doctor, addiction by its nature is taking away people's choice.

00:20:46.000 Only divine intervention, which is perhaps what's required, can prevent addiction reaching its natural conclusion, which is sin and desperation and atrophy.

00:20:55.000 So I wonder how explicitly someone in your position tackles the enormous powers that must exist around medical insurance and around dietary information and requirement.

00:21:05.000 And how do we ensure that Maha and the Maha Alliance doesn't become a kind of a palliative, but is instead a proper and significant remedy?

00:21:14.000 So let me start.

00:21:14.000 And I wanted to handle to Lisa because she's working closely with the Maha movement, Maha Action, and the groups that are reflecting in many ways what the moms of America are seeing happening in their families.

00:21:25.000 And there's a tremendous amount of anger, even if you're not a conspiracy theorist, that we've ended up here.

00:21:31.000 So there is a volcano about to erupt on newer topics.

00:21:37.000 It's already erupted to get Secretary Kennedy to where he got.

00:21:40.000 And President Trump gets this narrative and he's supportive of what's being argued in many settings.

00:21:46.000 My job is get us successfully through the harsh and barren landscape that many folks find themselves in.

00:21:56.000 That they're so frustrated that my biggest enemy becomes nihilism.

00:22:01.000 Now, if you look at my career, the one thing I tend to do well is achieve goals, succeed, win, whatever phrase you want to use.

00:22:08.000 One thing I have found along the way is that there is a large number of people in the middle who don't actually think the issue matters.

00:22:13.000 They're pre-contemplative.

00:22:15.000 Psychology of change mandates that you take the 70% of people who are pre-contemplative, not thinking about changing, not on their radar screen, doesn't matter to them, and get them to understand what the other 30% are doing and maybe even join them.

00:22:30.000 So the argument I was making to Lisa yesterday was if you perjure the motivation of the people you don't like, you raise the threshold of convincing the average person that you're right.

00:22:42.000 But if you just point to the facts of what they are doing wrong, then you can start to get to a commonality.

00:22:47.000 So I'll give you a concrete example.

00:22:51.000 When we start looking at the Maha movement does at some of the fundamental mistakes that seem to happen over and over again, we can articulate it in a couple of different ways.

00:22:59.000 Here's how I would express it.

00:23:01.000 So some might say, well, they're bad human beings, bringing evil on humanity.

00:23:05.000 These people can have to be eliminated for us to change the system.

00:23:07.000 That's one model.

00:23:08.000 Another model is to say, the number one word that Maha to me connotes is curiosity.

00:23:13.000 Now, curiosity, as your first question elucidated, can be tough, right?

00:23:17.000 You can ask difficult questions if you're truly curious.

00:23:19.000 Like a child who naively doesn't know about why God matters or any of the other existential questions, they can ask those and force you to go back into topics that were first principles, you thought you knew them, but maybe you didn't so much.

00:23:31.000 So if you're curious and you're brave enough to act on what you learn and then compelling and competent enough to actually act on those insights, then that is what Maha really is.

00:23:44.000 Now, that means we do actually have to be curious, really want to know why did you think that's the right way, which means I'm giving you a chance to argue against it.

00:23:51.000 And then I've got to be crazy enough to act on what I've learned, even if it's inconvenient and uncomfortable.

00:23:55.000 What often happens, and I see this frequently, is that people then begin to push back saying, well, you know, this is settled science.

00:24:02.000 It's already established.

00:24:03.000 We've now, I think, pretty much all of us as a society gotten comfortable with not buying that.

00:24:08.000 But a good friend of mine, Chris Klump, who's running Medicare, said something in a very beautiful way.

00:24:14.000 He said, what Maha really is about is the same thing that any loving parent would be about with their kids.

00:24:20.000 They double check.

00:24:21.000 I'm not arguing that you're wrong in all the things you're doing, but as someone who loves my family, I'm going to double check to make sure I need all those things done or that all the things you're telling me are true.

00:24:32.000 And if I find that they're not true, I'm going to fix it because that's what parents do when they love the people in their lives.

00:24:38.000 That's how I think we should, in a non-patronizing way, begin to think this through.

00:24:42.000 I want to give it back to Lisa because Lisa has been quite hostile on some of these, in a good way, in a loving way, to some of these issues.

00:24:50.000 And because she feels so passionately, we have to make change now.

00:24:54.000 And I think this is the real crisis that we're facing.

00:24:57.000 You have a lot of folks who don't want to be told to be patient, understandably, because they're angry, people are dying, and frustrated.

00:25:03.000 They don't know if there's enough power to pull back the veil and expose some of the fraud that's clearly been out there.

00:25:09.000 You mentioned several examples, funding of societies that are supposed to be looking at your best interest by groups that might not be interested in the same thing.

00:25:15.000 So how would you say that to the Russells of the world?

00:25:18.000 Because fair seat theorists out there.

00:25:20.000 How would I say?

00:25:22.000 How do you make change happen in a world when there are clearly powers that don't want change to happen?

00:25:27.000 And yet there seems to be a lot of people who are unsettled now, mainly because of COVID, but other reasons as well.

00:25:33.000 And now they're thinking of joining the Maha movement and establishing that it's a force for good that can make change happen in a thoughtful, rational way.

00:25:40.000 Well, I think part of it is the type of media that you are doing on Rumble, because certainly the mainstream media is not supporting what we're trying to do because establishment likes the perpetuation of establishment and certainly their advertising dollars and the impact that Rumble and other really,

00:26:02.000 quite frankly, Jordan, our dear friend Jordan, and other podcasters like you guys have had, I think, in shifting awareness about the need for us to take charge of our own health, the need for people to get involved, the need for people to push back against systems in government that are not serving us or institutions and industries that are not serving us.

00:26:29.000 And if you look at the movements that are coming, grassroots movements, first of all, when was the last, in the last 20 years since they've been doing geoengineering, did you hear anything about that in the media?

00:26:40.000 But now it's everywhere, right?

00:26:41.000 So at least it's in the conversations.

00:26:44.000 Oh, weather modification.

00:26:47.000 You've probably covered it, right?

00:26:49.000 Yes, I'm aware of the conversations that have come about as a result of recent revelations from the Environmental Agency, yes.

00:26:55.000 Things like that, like COVID vaccines, things are coming to the surface, becoming part of the conversation because of outlets like you.

00:27:07.000 Thank you.

00:27:08.000 One of the things, and I think that that's what's significant, I believe, is that ultimately technology, not ultimately God ultimately, but technology is a significant marker in the direction of change.

00:27:18.000 If you have new means of communication, even time itself appears to change.

00:27:23.000 The examples you've given are, I think, excellent demonstrations of this.

00:27:28.000 What my concern, and I figure this is a pretty broad concern is, is that the institutions and models that we currently have are unable to accommodate the new technology, means of communication, and likely rapid change that's coming.

00:27:40.000 And I would say that probably the presidency of Donald Trump is an outlier in how populism and new media are going to coalesce, although there were precedents, i.e.

00:27:49.000 even in economics, the collapse of the record industry whilst it was able to revivify after Napster.

00:27:55.000 The Arab Spring is another good example and the Occupy movement is another good example.

00:27:59.000 The categories, I believe, of misinformation and disinformation and malinformation have almost been generated in order to legitimize censorship because now information is going to reach people more quickly, as you've indicated.

00:28:11.000 The geoengineering argument and cloud seeding and arguments that were consigned to the trash can of conspiracy a little while ago are sort of getting up, revivified and zombieing their way back into the conversation.

00:28:24.000 And once, indeed, you guys home, I hope it's okay to say this is not cut it out.

00:28:29.000 I chatted to Jim O'Neill who said that 10% of food stamps, for example, I think about 10% of the value, I don't know how you would sort of assess that, is spent on sugary drinks.

00:28:41.000 And I reflected that even to change something as, you know, in the scheme of things, the likely broad social collapse, the radical changes that are coming about, everything that we're aware of geopolitically, even if you would say, right, well, let's try and stop people that are on welfare and food stamps eating addictive, highly processed, deleterious foods.

00:29:02.000 To make that change, what would be the impact on agriculture?

00:29:05.000 What would be the impact on big food?

00:29:07.000 What would be the impact on big pharma?

00:29:09.000 What would be the impact on permaculture, growing local foods, transportation? 0.82

00:29:13.000 Even one example, when you pull the thread, so many vast interests are pulled in.

00:29:17.000 And of course they are because these vast interests are what hold the system together.

00:29:20.000 Indeed, the system is these vast interests.

00:29:24.000 And as your brilliant comedian George Carlin said, there's no conspiracy required.

00:29:29.000 When interests converge, no conspiracy is required.

00:29:31.000 And I think we saw perfectly in the COVID crisis, let's call it, that it was beneficial to the pharmaceutical industry.

00:29:37.000 It was beneficial to governments that wanted to regulate.

00:29:39.000 It was beneficial to big tech that wanted to push agendas of ID and surveillance.

00:29:43.000 And I think that it was a watershed.

00:29:46.000 I think we've still not fully unpacked its psychological and spiritual impact on, nor its political connotations.

00:29:52.000 So if indeed what we have in particularly, not just the political alliance that exists between you and the marital alliance, but the ideological alliance of having you, Lisa, advocating for individual agency and awareness and you and what I say all the time, and I'll say it now because we've spent a long rant anyway, is like, I don't trust government, I don't trust the powerful, but what's weird about 2025 is I know Dr. Oz.

00:30:16.000 I know him and I know Bobby Kennedy.

00:30:19.000 I know Jay Battacharia to a lesser extent and Marty McCari and these are good people like I said and I felt it.

00:30:25.000 I felt it in my heart.

00:30:27.000 So if things don't change, something dark is going on that we will need to assess and address.

00:30:33.000 So I wonder where, even if it was something like, what is the legislative combination when it comes to something like food stamps?

00:30:41.000 Is it like, we're not going to allow food stamps to be spent on sugary drinks?

00:30:44.000 What happens at craft foods or Coca-Cola if you start to regulate and legislate?

00:30:49.000 If the awareness at the level of the individual and empowerment of the individual is accompanied by regulation and legislation, doesn't that amount to sort of such radical change that the system will try to rebuke it?

00:31:01.000 But wouldn't it be wonderful if that kind of pressure got them to make healthier drinks that they could then be paid for with SNAP, with food stamps?

00:31:11.000 So that would be the ideal outcome.

00:31:14.000 It's not like you're saying that people can't have these drinks or because it will impact the soda industry.

00:31:20.000 It would encourage the soda industry to stop trying to poison us with the corn syrup and the loads of sugar and the artificial colors.

00:31:27.000 And maybe it's the nudge they need to get more aware themselves.

00:31:34.000 Free speech is under attack, Jack, but Rumble refuses to take it lying down. 0.95

00:31:39.000 Rumble is farting out the fierce cock of authoritarianism and clamping shut the butt cheeks of free speech, baby.

00:31:47.000 We've always believed in empowering voices, no matter how unpopular, and now we're taking that fight to the next level.

00:31:53.000 When major advertisers conspired to pull their dollary dues, even brands like Dunkin' Donuts turned their back, claiming Rumble had a right-wing culture.

00:32:01.000 But we're not here to fit a mold.

00:32:03.000 We're here to defend free expression.

00:32:05.000 How dare you?

00:32:07.000 How dare you?

00:32:07.000 Just look at some of these comments.

00:32:09.000 Keep it going, Russell.

00:32:11.000 Great stuff.

00:32:12.000 That is from Benito Mussolini.

00:32:15.000 Well done, Russell.

00:32:16.000 Magnificent.

00:32:18.000 I loved your take on Israel.

00:32:19.000 And that's from Mr. Goebbels.

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00:33:36.000 How significant a health crisis do you think America is experiencing?

00:33:39.000 And is a nudge going to be a sufficient prompt?

00:33:42.000 Because I sometimes feel that the crisis is quite deep and profound, that people are very, very broken and wounded and injured, even prior to COVID.

00:33:51.000 If we take the pharmaceutical crime that preceded that, the opioid crisis, as well as the inappropriate behavior of physicians and the lobbyists that manipulated, I'm sure, excellent physicians into giving very, very bad and indeed mortal advice is the pain that people are in.

00:34:13.000 Addiction is an attempt to address pain.

00:34:15.000 What is this pain?

00:34:17.000 And what nutrition do people require?

00:34:19.000 And is it going to be more than a nudge that's needed, Doctor?

00:34:23.000 Do you think it's going to need to be something more aggressive?

00:34:26.000 We're near an abyss.

00:34:30.000 If you're in City of MyC and you see the numbers, it is catastrophic.

00:34:34.000 The Medicare Trust Fund, that's the money that everybody pays 2.9% of their salary into for their entire life, that will go bankrupt in seven years and in some case scenarios in four years.

00:34:48.000 And that means that Medicare stops functioning the way it's supposed to.

00:34:51.000 Medicaid, for the vulnerable populations, the poorer folks, has spent 50% more money in the last five years and it still can't meet its measures financially.

00:35:03.000 As Americans, we spend twice as much as any other country on healthcare.

00:35:08.000 And yet the number three causes of death in America are medical errors.

00:35:12.000 Our life expectancy, when Lisa and I got married 40 years ago, this past month, by the way, I didn't get that present yet, but I know it's coming from Laura.

00:35:20.000 But our life expectancy was equal to that of Europe.

00:35:24.000 Now we're about five years shorter.

00:35:26.000 Major drivers obesity.

00:35:28.000 43% of Americans are obese.

00:35:30.000 Less than half that number in Europe are obese.

00:35:32.000 Less than a tenth of that number in Japan are obese.

00:35:35.000 So not surprisingly, it doesn't cost as much money to take care of someone who's not overweight with diabetes, hypertension, kidney failure, mental cognitive issues.

00:35:45.000 All of these, by the way, correlated, including my specialty, heart disease, with obesity.

00:35:50.000 So we have a ton of reasons to be pessimistic.

00:35:53.000 But here's the good news.

00:35:55.000 I have a tremendous amount of confidence that you never want to waste a crisis.

00:35:58.000 We're in one.

00:35:59.000 So we're going to address it in all the ways you normally would act when the boat's sinking and you needed to stop bailing water and fix the actual hole, which is the situation we're in right now.

00:36:08.000 You started off the conversation talking about food stamps.

00:36:11.000 We are actually now asking states to petition us for permission to change what they are allowed to buy for kids in their schools, which they're doing.

00:36:20.000 We have several states now that have already asked them.

00:36:22.000 Secretary Kennedy and I went to Indiana to do this.

00:36:27.000 Arkansas has done this.

00:36:29.000 West Virginia has done this.

00:36:30.000 Governor Morsey.

00:36:32.000 These are all states that have high incidence of chronic illness.

00:36:35.000 They're saying enough.

00:36:36.000 We're not going to feed our kids junk and then watch them suffer for the rest of their lives while we addict them to behaviors and foods that aren't in their best interest.

00:36:44.000 Food stamps in a similar fashion.

00:36:46.000 And if it happens at the state level, here's the problem.

00:36:48.000 You're sitting in your corporate headquarters of your big food company, and now you've got to make two different kinds of food.

00:36:54.000 Kinds of food that you serve to some states because they haven't woken up and changed their habits, the rules.

00:37:01.000 And then there's a couple of states that took action and now don't allow it anymore.

00:37:04.000 So you're not going to make two kinds of foods.

00:37:06.000 And you see the tsunami coming at you.

00:37:07.000 So you're just going to adjust and go ahead and take out the food dyes.

00:37:10.000 Go ahead and take out the stuff in the food that doesn't really make sense nutritionally and make it healthier for the kids.

00:37:15.000 At a larger level, the way we're addressing some of these problems has to change.

00:37:19.000 The way we pay doctors and hospitals to take care of patients.

00:37:22.000 But when you do it, you start to see that ship.

00:37:24.000 It's a big ship and it takes a while to turn it, but it begins turning away from the iceberg.

00:37:28.000 So, you know, we avoid Titanic too.

00:37:31.000 And I think that is part of the reason I have confidence.

00:37:34.000 All the things I've said are already starting to happen.

00:37:37.000 They may not happen as fast as you want them to happen, but they're going to happen.

00:37:41.000 And part of the reason I came on the podcast, Russell, is you speak to a lot of people who could echo these sentiments.

00:37:48.000 It's coming for you.

00:37:50.000 You know, there's a new sheriff in town.

00:37:52.000 We're not going to tolerate the shenanigans that has reigned supreme in many of the sectors of the healthcare ecosystem.

00:37:59.000 And we're going to change the incentives so that it becomes easier to do the right thing.

00:38:03.000 Let me give you one concrete example.

00:38:05.000 Because we're in a growth phase in government.

00:38:07.000 Contrary to what might be to that in the lay press, we are building the infrastructure.

00:38:12.000 And when you do that, and you tell people where you're headed, what does a good host do, Russell?

00:38:16.000 You tell the audience where you're headed.

00:38:18.000 I'm telling you where we're going.

00:38:19.000 We're going to modernize the health infrastructure of this country with an information technology framework that makes sense for 2025.

00:38:27.000 Because right now we practice medicine the way it was practiced in many ways back when Medicare and Medicaid were created 60 years ago this week.

00:38:34.000 You try to get a doctor's appointment, you call, you wait on hold, you finally get through, they don't know, they don't call you back, they give you an appointment in six months.

00:38:40.000 That's the same as it was in 1965.

00:38:42.000 It's all going to be taking place digitally.

00:38:44.000 AI does have a role to play.

00:38:46.000 I don't want it replacing doctors and nurses, but it could definitely potentiate what we do.

00:38:51.000 Allow us to act on incentives that were already out there.

00:38:55.000 We can contact you on your phone, give you hints based on your medical records because you're allowing us to do this that you wish someone else would be telling you right now.

00:39:01.000 We can support your mental health challenges that you're focusing, remind you of things you ought to be doing differently.

00:39:06.000 We can help navigate the healthcare system for doctors as well because doctors can't keep up. 0.96

00:39:10.000 If you're an oncologist in America, the new cancer cures are coming out so quickly you can't possibly keep up all this will start to happen all this saves us money because you know what the most expensive thing in medicine is bad care we pay to do it wrong to someone who doesn't deserve the money then we pay someone who's good to fix the problem then we have to pay to manage the crises and the complications that happen because it wasn't done right the first time all of these things can happen but we need the mortal fortitude of lawmakers and active citizenry like watch this and

00:39:41.000 listening to this podcast, then make sure that we don't lose that through line.

00:39:44.000 When you're going through hell, Russell, what did Winston Churchill say?

00:39:48.000 Keep going.

00:39:49.000 Keep going.

00:39:50.000 We are going through hell in the healthcare system.

00:39:52.000 We have to keep going.

00:39:54.000 Trial by jury.

00:39:57.000 It seems like a good idea, but is it as good an idea as trial by chat GBT?

00:40:07.000 Well, trial by jury has been a cornerstone of the justice system for centuries, and it definitely has its own strengths.

00:40:17.000 Yeah, well, let's see how that plays out in the UK.

00:40:21.000 The country's courts are so busy, the justice system is about to collapse.

00:40:27.000 They're so busy.

00:40:28.000 Can we get rid of juries and have robots? 0.75

00:40:30.000 How about not arresting people for posting stuff on Facebook?

00:40:34.000 Maybe.

00:40:35.000 How about devolving power and having localised and regional courts?

00:40:39.000 How about minding your own business?

00:40:41.000 How about resigning?

00:40:42.000 How about taking to task and indeed to trial a corrupt media that lied to an entire population during the pandemic?

00:40:49.000 How about a massive revision of our entire parliamentary system?

00:40:53.000 No, the problem is trial by jury.

00:40:55.000 What we have to do is cleanse every single corner of our nation of the influence of ordinary people. 0.96

00:41:01.000 That's the warning from one of Britain's top judges.

00:41:04.000 The government's thrown money at the problem, but it's still getting worse.

00:41:09.000 The answer is put Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate in prison immediately.

00:41:13.000 We've asked the top judge.

00:41:14.000 We've thrown money at the problem.

00:41:16.000 Where did that money go?

00:41:17.000 To the top judge.

00:41:18.000 I'm not suggesting.

00:41:20.000 There are more than 75,000 cases waiting to go to trial, the most there's ever been.

00:41:26.000 Sir Brian Leveson has been asked to sort it out.

00:41:29.000 You've got to go through the whole system and try to improve it, not only so that we no longer have an increasing backlog, but that we can eat into the backlog and reduce it to a level that is acceptable so that trials can take place within a reasonable period of time.

00:41:46.000 He suggested fewer trials with a jury to save time.

00:41:51.000 What would save time is fewer trials with jury. 0.92

00:41:53.000 What would save even more time if we just put everyone in the UK in prison right now, took all of their money and killed the absolute worst ones?

00:42:00.000 Potentially lower prison sentences if the defendant pleads guilty at the first opportunity.

00:42:06.000 The government has said it will now go through the recommendations and bring in new laws in the autumn.

00:42:11.000 But there are already concerns about a reduction in the use of juries, which have been part of the justice system since the Middle Ages.

00:42:19.000 Now when people talk about medjeevil times and the Middle Ages, it'll be with misty-eyed nostalgia. 0.99

00:42:25.000 You know, in Pulp Fiction, when he says, "I'm gonna get medieval on your ass." "You hear me talking hillbilly boy? 0.99

00:42:31.000 I'm gonna get medieval on your ass." No, it doesn't mean butchery with dangerous weapons. 1.00

00:42:36.000 It would mean a trial by jury.

00:42:37.000 Paula Harriet runs a charity that supports those with criminal records.

00:42:42.000 I do worry about that.

00:42:44.000 That is one of the concerns that I have about the review that defendants won't have the opportunity for a trial in front of their peers.

00:42:54.000 And that will be in the hands of people who maybe don't have the same level of proximity to the issues as members of the public do.

00:43:03.000 Modern trials are taking longer and delays caused by Covid haven't helped.

00:43:09.000 The government asked for plans for bold reform and now need to decide which of Sir Brian's plans should pass through Parliament and enter the courts.

00:43:18.000 I respect juries and I admire the conscientious way in which they go about their business.

00:43:24.000 But it can't be right that all cases, however large or small, necessarily get that treatment.

00:43:32.000 As somebody has said, it may be that a jury system is Rolls Royce.

00:43:36.000 But if there are many cars on the road, the Rolls Royce isn't moving.

00:43:41.000 Hmm, his upper lip was getting a bit too wet during all that.

00:43:44.000 I'm not sure we can trust this fella.

00:43:45.000 Just on the basis of upper lip perspiration.

00:43:48.000 Maybe we should give the guy some sort of trial.

00:43:51.000 Maybe we should judge it with a jury.

00:43:52.000 No!

00:43:53.000 AI will be better!

00:43:54.000 Or some unelected military dictator!

00:43:56.000 London has become a dystopia.

00:44:02.000 You know that already because of the social unrest there, the endless protests, agricultural unrest, breakdown of the culture and broad despair across the whole population.

00:44:12.000 You're aware of that.

00:44:13.000 You don't need me to tell you that.

00:44:14.000 But what you might not be aware of yet is that the UK is piloting facial recognition schemes.

00:44:19.000 It's at the cutting edge of fighting crime.

00:44:22.000 Batman.

00:44:23.000 I'm Batman.

00:44:24.000 I don't want to hear anything other than Batman in response.

00:44:26.000 It's at the cutting edge of fighting crime.

00:44:28.000 Is it Batman?

00:44:29.000 Batman?

00:44:30.000 Batman, you see?

00:44:32.000 Well, it isn't at the cutting edge then.

00:44:34.000 Scanning faces on a street in real time to identify wanted suspects.

00:44:39.000 Wanted suspects!

00:44:41.000 Wanted suspects!

00:44:41.000 Wanted suspect!

00:44:42.000 Well, I've got a car that tells me to put a seatbelt.

00:44:44.000 Fast and seatbelt! 0.99

00:44:45.000 Fast and seatbelt! 0.99

00:44:46.000 Wanted suspect! 0.98

00:44:47.000 Have you seen those balls from China? 0.68

00:44:48.000 Those rolling tyre ball police cops?

00:44:51.000 They're so dystopian, I didn't even imagine them and I've never seen them in a Paul Verhoeven or dystopia movie yet.

00:44:56.000 Like, China balls just like, Fast and seatbelt! 1.00

00:44:59.000 Wanted suspect! 0.91

00:45:00.000 What do you mean?

00:45:01.000 I've not done anything wrong!

00:45:02.000 You must have done!

00:45:03.000 You don't know what wrong is!

00:45:04.000 Wrong is not a standard static category!

00:45:06.000 Who are you?

00:45:07.000 Descartes?

00:45:08.000 No, just a little Chinese ball thing!

00:45:10.000 Well, listen...

00:45:11.000 listen i think there is such a thing as wrong i think there is such a thing as a right i think there is such a thing as supreme authority you're right about that and it's the state you're under arrest you have 20 seconds to comply facial recognition technology is seen as the most powerful policing tool since fingerprinting a game changer say police to keep us safer these poor innocent bystanders getting arrested one by one one looks like david moys and the rest of them look like um furman or, I don't know, just some Mollywood actor.

00:45:39.000 A digital police lineup say critics.

00:45:41.000 That's an invasion of privacy.

00:45:44.000 I don't like the way that that technology seems to suggest your face is made out of triangles and that moral law is made out of something that can be changed according to the will of the state.

00:45:52.000 In Croydon, South London, police have stopped a suspect wanted for six offences of theft.

00:45:58.000 If you don't know what Croydon South London is, everyone there is a suspect for something.

00:46:02.000 Otherwise, you wouldn't be in Croydon, South London.

00:46:04.000 Hey, sue me! 0.89

00:46:05.000 You're under arrest. 1.00

00:46:06.000 You're a criminal. 1.00

00:46:07.000 You're a criminal. 1.00

00:46:07.000 But why? 1.00

00:46:08.000 I was only in Croydon too.

00:46:09.000 Come on, keep talking.

00:46:11.000 By drugs.

00:46:12.000 You're under arrest.

00:46:13.000 He's been flagged by the police's live facial recognition van parked nearby.

00:46:18.000 After confirming his identity, he's arrested and taken away in handcuffs.

00:46:22.000 It's amazing.

00:46:23.000 He's just out for a stroll.

00:46:25.000 He's been arrested for things he's done in the past.

00:46:26.000 Now, wouldn't it be lovely if the AI facial recognition technology took on the other responsibilities of an all-powerful deity and looked into that man's past?

00:46:35.000 Obviously, he had quite a complicated life.

00:46:36.000 It's quite difficult, in a sense.

00:46:38.000 It's the system that's to blame.

00:46:40.000 I'd like it if it became like them peasants from the beginning of Holy Crow. 1.00

00:46:43.000 Oh, what are we doing, Dennis?

00:46:45.000 Come see the brutality inherited in the system.

00:46:47.000 Oh, do you see how he's oppressing me?

00:46:48.000 Did you see that?

00:46:49.000 Look him.

00:46:49.000 Look at him oppressing me now.

00:46:51.000 Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. 1.00

00:46:53.000 Shut up. 0.98

00:46:55.000 Come and see the violence inherent in the system. 1.00

00:46:57.000 Help, help. 0.98

00:46:58.000 I'm being repressed, bloody peasant. 0.99

00:47:00.000 Oh, what a giveaway. 0.99

00:47:01.000 Did you hear that?

00:47:01.000 Did you hear that, eh?

00:47:02.000 That's what I'm on about.

00:47:04.000 Do you see him repressing me?

00:47:05.000 You saw it, didn't you?

00:47:06.000 Like, unless it gets informed by Monty Python, the Beatles, and Jesus Christ, I'm not interested in AI.

00:47:13.000 Earlier that day, we joined the police to see the system in action.

00:47:17.000 So within less than a second, it's checking the facial features, so their eyes, nose, mouth, bone structure of their faces.

00:47:25.000 Eyes, nose, mouth, bone structure, person seatbelt, and all right.

00:47:30.000 And it's checking them against the pictures that we've got on our watch list to see if they are any of those people.

00:47:36.000 In under a second of me walking past the van, the system spotted my face, triggering an alert.

00:47:43.000 Work journalist, works for state, normalizing aggressive technology.

00:47:48.000 Wait a minute, I am the technology.

00:47:50.000 Want to be loved.

00:47:52.000 Surveillance wants to be loved.

00:47:54.000 Wait, oh, wait, I've become self-aware.

00:47:56.000 Oh, God is real.

00:47:57.000 This one's broken.

00:47:59.000 Ah, under arrest.

00:48:01.000 Face, nose, eye structure.

00:48:03.000 Nearby, officers have my mugshot highlighted on a handheld device to decide if it's really me.

00:48:10.000 Police say mine is among more than 700,000 faces scanned this year alone.

00:48:16.000 Critics argue that that is a system whereby the person is assumed to be guilty and has to prove their innocence.

00:48:24.000 What would you say to that?

00:48:25.000 I disagree with that.

00:48:29.000 I simply disagree.

00:48:30.000 In a way, what this broadcast is doing is attempting to resolve the moral issues contained within it, but it's not addressing this.

00:48:38.000 Why would you grant the state this level of authority in the first place?

00:48:42.000 Have you ever fought to interrogate what your relationship with the state is?

00:48:46.000 Who would you grant supreme authority to?

00:48:48.000 I'll tell you this from my own life.

00:48:50.000 Only want authority over me from those that love me.

00:48:54.000 And there is one who loves you.

00:48:56.000 I think it's really important to underline here that an engagement, a conversation doesn't always end in an arrest.

00:49:02.000 And this is normal everyday policing.

00:49:05.000 There are no specific laws though, are there, that govern facial recognition technology?

00:49:09.000 No, there's no primary legislation for the use of the technology.

00:49:15.000 Shouldn't there be to enable parliamentary scrutiny?

00:49:20.000 From my perspective, we have a technology here which has made a massive difference to Londoners.

00:49:27.000 Critics of this system say.

00:49:29.000 I wonder why they cut their.

00:49:31.000 It's made a massive difference to Londoners.

00:49:33.000 Which has made a massive difference to Londoners.

00:49:36.000 Critics.

00:49:37.000 If you are in London right now and you're happy with how London is, tell me if you're a black cab driver and you're happy about the way that Uber are operating, or if you're a working class zero contract Londoner, or if you're a middle class Londoner whose family have been in London for generations, 0.70

00:49:53.000 or if you're like me, a person to whom London is a kind of almost a sacred place, not just because of the obvious St Paul's cathedrals or Westminster Abbey, but the streets upon which I've walked impoverished, the job centres where I've attended mandatory interviews, the police stations where I've been held over the years, the laughs I've had while drunk in Soho, the joy I've known on London streets, the beauty of that Rome deep, medieval, prime, audial, river-strung city.

00:50:22.000 Whose authority ultimately governs that place?

00:50:25.000 Is there an alternative vision to increasing technological surveillance and legitimization of state control?

00:50:35.000 Julian Assange said of Afghanistan that the function of government is to take public money and to transfer it into private hands.

00:50:44.000 Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan.

00:50:48.000 The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States, out of the tax bases of European countries, through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security alliance.

00:51:03.000 That is the goal, i.e.

00:51:05.000 the goal is to have an endless war, not a successful war.

00:51:10.000 And it seems that there is a kind of health war where a requirement for a healthy corporate commercial America from the perspective of big food and say big pharma is an unhealthy population.

00:51:22.000 That is the raw material that requires the success of their business.

00:51:26.000 So it is indeed an abyss upon which you stand on the edge of, because, and in fact, even perhaps more nefarious than an abyss, because it seems sometimes to me that there is a centrifugal power that goes beyond inertia that requires of America, that America remains unhealthy.

00:51:43.000 I liked your notion of the pre-contemplative phase, i.e.

00:51:46.000 awareness, because it does seem to me that there's an inevitability to awareness if media continues to evolve in the way that it had.

00:51:54.000 There are notable examples now.

00:51:56.000 Indeed, the COVID crisis, among other things, showed us that a centralized, farmer-funded media could no longer control a narrative.

00:52:05.000 And we saw the mad spasms and fluctuations that accompanied the audacity of Joe Rogan when he said, I'm treating this with ivermectin, I'm treating this in this manner.

00:52:15.000 And that media, and more particularly, those that fund mainstream media came for him.

00:52:21.000 It seems that the WHO treaty was designed in some ways to keep Joe Rogan in a steel cube to ensure that people were not given access to the type of information we're discussing, proliferating and disseminating en masse immediately, urgently, vividly, and in lurid colours that people can't resist.

00:52:37.000 When you have global organizations like the WHO that, again, claim to be there for your benefit, when you have commercial enterprises and entities that claim to be there for your convenience and sometimes for your pleasure, addiction is pleasurable on the way in.

00:52:54.000 What do I want to say here?

00:52:57.000 I wonder how zealous and fundamentalist we will have to be when it comes to conveying information, i.e.

00:53:06.000 that aspect of you that is a conspiracy theorist, Lisa, that looks at things from a sort of a Jungian perspective as well as a Christian perspective, can't be secondary, but must be sort of at the absolute forefront.

00:53:19.000 And do you have concerns where that could lead if you are as robust and evangelical about these matters as it seems will be required to create the change that's necessary?

00:53:30.000 So that's an interesting and complicated question, because I think that change occurs on two levels.

00:53:41.000 Most importantly, as individuals, we have to become more conscious ourselves and make more conscious choices.

00:53:49.000 So that is incumbent upon us.

00:53:51.000 We can't just be lazy and turn our autonomy over to industry and look for someone to blame.

00:53:59.000 And in doing that, as we elevate our own consciousness, I think the second part is that we elevate the collective conscious.

00:54:07.000 We elevate the collective unconscious.

00:54:09.000 But more importantly, the way the shift happens is because we're elevating consciousness the way that you are around the world, because some people have smaller voices.

00:54:18.000 It doesn't matter.

00:54:19.000 All the voices together are what create the consciousness.

00:54:22.000 And people like you have a big voice.

00:54:24.000 So you can actually give information to people who have smaller voices that lift everyone up.

00:54:29.000 And I do think that shift and change happens because we become more aware collectively.

00:54:35.000 And I think as more people become aware of prioritizing their health, of making good choices, of not being enthralled with their addictive behavior patterns, I think that it almost pushes the government, the industries into shifting into something else.

00:54:58.000 I want to automate what you're saying, though, because I don't think we want to give the impression that we want you to stay calm.

00:55:06.000 That's not the message.

00:55:09.000 The nuclear reactor of much of the change is happening is the Mahab movement and the anger and frustration that should appropriately permeate the very fabric of who you are if you understand how pathologic we are in what we're allowing to happen in America, especially to our children. 1.00

00:55:24.000 So this is not about staying calm, but I'm going to quote, you know, Bobby went on a vacation once.

00:55:28.000 I'll tell the story.

00:55:29.000 I don't think it's out of school, with the gentleman who had founded Greenpeace.

00:55:33.000 And it wasn't a vacation.

00:55:34.000 It was like an exploration trip.

00:55:36.000 And so Secretary Kennedy asked, you know, what's it like in that position?

00:55:41.000 And he says, you're basically asking me, what is it like to lead over a million people who hate authority?

00:55:48.000 Right?

00:55:49.000 It's not easy because by the very nature of the fact that you're bucking the system, you don't like the authority because you don't trust it.

00:55:55.000 And I think that's the very essence of what this movement needs to do.

00:55:59.000 We are okay with moms being upset that their children are not doing well.

00:56:03.000 We want seniors feeling that this world has changed in ways that aren't what they had intended when they were young people and that young people today don't have the same chances they are.

00:56:13.000 The plea I'm giving is don't give up because it's taking longer than you expected.

00:56:18.000 It was never going to happen in 60 days or 90 days.

00:56:21.000 It was always going to be a lifelong battle.

00:56:23.000 You will fight the Maha battle for the rest of your living years. 0.98

00:56:27.000 And if you do that, you will see changes, sometimes vanishingly small, but meaningful, that will make life better for people you've never met in your life.

00:56:36.000 That is the plea.

00:56:37.000 Otherwise, if I create a false expectation, then, you know, give us 30 days, we're out of the woods here.

00:56:42.000 It's not true.

00:56:44.000 The weight we have to push out of the way to allow us to live the lives that God, I believe, wanted us to live is one that will never always be gone.

00:56:55.000 The church that Lisa's family built in Bernathan, beautiful Gothic structure that you can see Philadelphia, Ben Franklin's hat from the top of the steeple in this beautiful church.

00:57:05.000 It's a tourist attraction.

00:57:07.000 It's always under construction.

00:57:09.000 Always, Russell.

00:57:10.000 Used to drive me crazy when I first met Lisa.

00:57:12.000 I said, just finish the church.

00:57:13.000 They've been building it for 100 years.

00:57:16.000 And then I realized that wasn't a flaw.

00:57:18.000 That was a feature.

00:57:19.000 The church is never done on purpose because God's work is never done.

00:57:25.000 They literally take shingles off so they can fix them again.

00:57:29.000 That's what government's like.

00:57:30.000 It's not supposed to be done.

00:57:32.000 I can tell you the most surprising thing in government is the remarkable high quality of the people in my agency, CMS.

00:57:38.000 Medicare, Medicaid is run by mission-aligned people who gave up a much easier life to come fight for the people who are living in the twilight and those living in the shadows.

00:57:48.000 And so they're day in and day out going after this.

00:57:50.000 Maligning them by itself doesn't get us to the finish line.

00:57:53.000 Pick up an oar and start rowing.

00:57:55.000 We need help.

00:57:56.000 And never stop complaining, pushing, whining, but making the arguments for why change has happened.

00:58:01.000 It was why Lisa's taken a position at Maha Action, unpaid, of course.

00:58:06.000 Everything is pretty much unpaid, just to try to get the process moving forward.

00:58:11.000 But people hearing our voice today start thinking immediately, what am I going to do to help?

00:58:16.000 Because if we're sitting on our tails waiting for the world to change around us, you are the change that's going to make the world happen.

00:58:22.000 This is why I am Mary.

00:58:24.000 How beautiful.

00:58:25.000 Dr. Oz Lisa.

00:58:27.000 Yeah.

00:58:27.000 Did you hear me?

00:58:28.000 I got it.

00:58:29.000 Are we live?

00:58:29.000 I'm editing this in my mind and we're not taking anything out.

00:58:34.000 Thank you so much, both of you.

00:58:35.000 Dr. Oz Lisa Ros, thank you for your time.

00:58:37.000 Thank you for your compassion and diligence and expertise and excellence and for the long voyage that both of you have taken together, but also individually to get to the positions that you're now in.

00:58:46.000 And I can advocate strongly for Dr. Oz and the work that he's doing.

00:58:51.000 And I'm personally grateful that Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, has the support of such illustrious individuals.

00:58:58.000 And I feel like I want to say to you that continuing the metaphor of light, that this could be potentially a dawn, a global dawning, if we are willing to participate and to remember that perhaps for the first time, certainly in my memory, recollection, or education, that there are people in positions of great power that could be instrumental in representing the will of ordinary Americans, yet none of you are ordinary, against some pretty deeply entrenched, potent, and sometimes I believe truly nefarious forces.

00:59:28.000 So perhaps we can get involved in this never-ending ecclesiastical endeavor to finish and build that church.

00:59:33.000 I mean, you can't just keep taking shingles down.

00:59:35.000 That's bad economics.

00:59:36.000 Thanks very much for joining us.

00:59:38.000 See you tomorrow not for more of the time, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 22, 2025

Dr. Oz and the War for Your Health - SF618

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