Every time a popular movement emerges, it is discredited. Why is this tendency towards divide and conquer the root cause of all things anti-populism? In this episode, we talk to Stella Assange about why everyone is talking about Julian Assange again, and why the mainstream won't even mention him. We also look at what happens when the highest paid public servant in the world meets the public, and also why Gavin Newsom was caught without a mask at a party. And we take a look at how elite members of elite organisations, posing as elite people, are still benefiting from their inside connections with elite people in order to get their hands on the secrets of the world s most powerful secret society. We're part of the Global Conspiracy Theorists Podcast Network. See all the great network shows at Conspiracy Theories.org. Subscribe to our new podcast, The Dark Side Of, wherever you get your podcasts, to get notified when we deconstruct the latest news and discuss the most pressing issues affecting your favourite corners of the internet. If you're not a member of our community yet, yet yet join it right now, join us on the Rumble Revolution! See if you want to join the Rumble revolution! To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurAdvertisers/Rumble and use the promo code: "RUMBLE" at checkout to receive 10% off your first month only discount code: RUMBLE at $10 and receive a discount of up to $99.99. We'll be giving you'll get 20% off our entire month, plus a freebie when you sign up to the Rumble Revolution trial, and a free copy of our second month, and we'll get 5 VIP membership when you get the offer of $50 or a VIP discount when you become a patron gets the RUMORION PROMOTION! RUMMY PROMO! And there's also a discount on our third month only gets you an ad-free version of our first month of RUMBER and VIP membership! and a FREE FASTEST PRODUCERODE4 VIP membership? RATE $99, RATE RATE AND BUY 5 STAR DOWN TO SUBSCRIBE VIP SUPPORTING RATE FREE PRICING AND PROGRAM AND VIP PRODCAST AND PATREON GET VIP PRICED TO RATE 5 STARS!
00:00:50.000She's coming in on here to talk about Julian Assange and why everyone is talking about Julian Assange again.
00:00:55.000And when I say everyone, I mean independent thinkers, independent journalists, people that are interested in freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of information.
00:01:03.000Why has Julian Assange's name suddenly returned to the lips of people interested in freedom, and why won't the mainstream discuss him?
00:01:32.000Did you pandemic us so hard we couldn't go out of our houses?
00:01:36.000Did you pandemic us right in the small business?
00:01:39.000Did you pandemic us, Raccoon Dog, right in the wealth transfer?
00:01:43.000We're also going to look at that fantastic meet and greet moment where you see what happens when the highest paid public servant in the world meets the public.
00:02:18.000Of course, Boris Johnson famously claimed that he didn't go to any parties.
00:02:22.000Then when pressed, he said he did go to some parties, but when he was at them, he didn't know that they were parties that he was at.
00:02:28.000Now his most senior advisor has revealed that he must have known that he was at a party.
00:02:34.000Johnson knew Garden Event was a party because I told him, said Dominic Cummings.
00:02:39.000And if you can't relate to that because you're an American person, don't feel left out because Gavin Newsom was also caught without a mask, a maskless party, although you know those guys go to parties with masks as well.
00:03:02.000It's interesting because all of these members of elite organisations, old Etonians posing in government, Gavin Newsom partying without a mask while telling you that you have to do that, are still benefiting from their Inside Connections.
00:03:18.000Gavin Newsom recently applauded the response to the Silicon Valley bank collapse, saying, you know, that's the right thing to do, without revealing the quarter of a million dollars in there.
00:03:31.000Isn't that just like an establishment figure to praise the actions of the government, claiming he supports their ideals, in this case when he is literally Financially invested in the venture, at least three of the California governor's wine companies are held by SVB and a bank president sits on the board of his wife's charity.
00:03:50.000California Governor Gavin Newsom praised the Biden administration's decision to intervene on behalf of Silicon Valley bank clients.
00:03:57.000He didn't reveal that they held $250,000 in deposits in that same bank.
00:04:23.000It's another case of do as I say, not as I do.
00:04:26.000If you're not a member of our locals community yet, join it right now.
00:04:29.000Then you can communicate and participate in this conversation because what we believe is that a new movement is being born before our very eyes.
00:04:38.000As we all witness the end of the old order, as we witness the establishment floundering,
00:04:43.000unable now to control our ability to communicate, doubling down on smearing dissenters, surveillance
00:04:49.000and censorship, there is a new populism emerging.
00:04:53.000Donald Trump, of course, is one of the figures of populism who many people disagree with
00:05:04.000He represents a certain type of energy and an emergent new political force that may yet be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
00:05:13.000Because if you look now for a moment, To politics in the Netherlands, the politics of Holland, the farm protest movement has just won parliamentary seats.
00:05:22.000Like the farm protests that we've talked about a lot on this show with Vandana Shiva, we've talked about the farm protests in Sri Lanka, the farm protests in India.
00:05:30.000The emergent soil movement, and the reason we're interested in this is precisely because it is a response to globalism that is truly global, that cannot be dismissed as racism, but that will not stop the mainstream media trying to condemn it as somehow right-wing and racist.
00:05:46.000In fact, even with The Guardian reporting on this story, don't they say, yeah, has won the support of far-right populist parties?
00:06:04.000There'll be manure, spit, there'll be all sorts of things in a wave of rural anger that you wouldn't want to surf on.
00:06:10.000Government environmental policies has emerged as the big winner in Dutch provincial elections.
00:06:14.000With almost 90% of the votes, the BBB is now the biggest bloc in the Senate.
00:06:19.000Now, as well as reporting on it, the Guardian, mainstream media, of course, don't miss the opportunity to smear this populist movement because they think they're better than you.
00:06:27.000Because they think they're cleverer than you, that they think that they need to parent you through politics, to guide you with instruction, haughtiness and condemnation, rather than be part of a conversation, which is what we believe.
00:06:38.000We believe that you will teach us, that we'll tell you our version of the truth, you'll respond to it, and together we'll be in a dialogue with the possibility of redemption, forgiveness, With the possibility of altering our opinion, amending, adapting, finding new relationships.
00:06:52.000But that's not the way they go in the mainstream.
00:06:54.000The BBB, which has won the support of far right and populist parties internationally, claims the problem has been exaggerated.
00:07:01.000I mean, it's just for me, it seems like what they do, first of all, is look for a reason to shut down populism and then bolt it on to any movement.
00:07:08.000It's not as if it's come from nowhere, is it, Russ?
00:07:10.000I mean, the Dutch government, this was in response to, and the catalyst for this was the Dutch government offering to buy up, and this was through forced buyouts, 3,000 farms.
00:07:19.000And so obviously there's a big movement that's been spawned from this.
00:07:21.000But even in the research that we've done, because obviously they're saying that these are big polluter problems, I think they call them peak polluter farms.
00:07:27.000But just in the research from mainstream media, you find the richest 1% of the global population use two times as much carbon as the poorest 50% over the last 25 years.
00:07:36.000In terms of the energy companies, recently they've all made record profits in 2022 and 2023.
00:07:41.000ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron are all identified as among the highest emitting investor-owned companies since 1988.
00:07:47.000And they still receive subsidies and they never come for elite interest.
00:07:52.000They always come for popular interest.
00:07:58.000Even when condemning in particular the type of fertilizer and stuff that these Dutch farmers are using, which may be environmentally harmful, Bill Gates, who's a king of climate change as well as international king of medicine, I believe elsewhere in his format and within his portfolio, literally uses the same fertilizers that the Dutch farmers are being penalized for using.
00:08:26.000They're brilliant, do amazing investigations.
00:08:28.000So in his book, How to Avoid a Climate Disaster, Gates discussed his plans to model African food system upon India's Green Revolution, which moves farmers towards ever larger and less diverse farming operations that rely on pesticides and climate-harming chemical fertilizers.
00:08:42.000This is something he's been promoting in Africa for the last 15 years, which has not gone down too well with a lot of the people in Africa.
00:08:48.000But, you know, it's one rule for one and one rule for, evidently, these farmers in Netherlands.
00:08:52.000When Bill Gates uses that fertilizer, it knows that Bill Gates is behind it, and it immediately causes a lot less climate change.
00:08:59.000But when it's a Dutch farmer, or a Sri Lankan farmer, or an Indian farmer, or a farmer somewhere on the continent of Africa, they bungle it.
00:09:14.000They think our traditions, our heritage, our new alliances, our ability to accept difference, our ability to come together with new alliances is an impossibility.
00:09:25.000Hit me up right now in the comments with examples from your own life of this haughtiness, this superciliousness, this ongoing patronising condemnation that rains down from on high.
00:10:17.000Because there are some things that we're going to say that are now empirically demonstrable that are still against, unbelievably, against the guidelines.
00:10:24.000But you're going to love watching this.
00:10:26.000Let's have a look at that clip right now.
00:10:28.000I heard that it doesn't cure it and it doesn't stop you from getting it.
00:10:37.000Already, if you think of the narrative, remember for a moment Don Lemon saying you should shame the unvaccinated, you should shame them.
00:10:48.000Leave them behind is Leave them behind.
00:11:00.000Yes, that's why you've got to join us on Rumble.
00:11:01.000The link's in the description, because what we've got... Do you know, you're going to love this.
00:11:05.000Every single moment in this exchange, our team, our diligent, hard-working and brilliant team back there, have found a scientific study from legit sources, like the British Medical Journal, those Conspiracy theorists over at the Lancet and Johns Hopkins University that prove that everything that that woman and her partner or whoever the other person in the house was, I don't want to make any assumptions what goes on in that household, everything they say is scientifically true.
00:11:36.000It's follow the science, but inconveniently, science that supports the rights of the people, not science that can be used to double down on establishment centralised power.
00:11:46.000Let's give Fauci another few moments in the sun, though.
00:11:49.000Although he would never admit that the sun's good for you because they can't sell you that.
00:12:05.000You know, there's some vaccine, you won't even know you've taken it, except there'll be a spring in your step and you might feel a fluttering in your heart.
00:12:12.00030% more like, hey, join us on Rumble in a moment or so.
00:12:18.000Because I suppose what we're talking about more broadly, the theme of this show, before we get to Stella Assange, partner of Julian Assange, of course, is why is it that there's so much divide and conquer?
00:12:27.000Why is it that there's so much condemnation?
00:12:30.000I mean, you've got to see how the Dutch news reported on the victory of this Dutch farmer movement.
00:12:36.000Even though when they're talking about unbridled joy, listen to the level of enthusiasm mustered up by the mainstream media reporter.
00:13:02.000As her party shook up the Dutch political landscape on Wednesday evening.
00:13:06.000Founded just four years ago, the BBB is now projected to be the largest party in the Senate.
00:13:12.000Obviously, this issue has to be drained of all enthusiasm because issues like this, a movement like this, is precisely what can change the world.
00:13:23.000Don't let them tell you it's not possible to change the world.
00:13:25.000Don't let them tell you it's not possible to change your own life.
00:13:27.000Don't let them tell you new systems ain't possible.
00:13:29.000They rely on us losing our ability to imagine new worlds.
00:13:33.000They rely on us losing our spirit, darkening us down.
00:13:36.000That's why they're promoting bad food.
00:13:38.000That's why they're promoting dumb stuff on your screen.
00:14:01.000I'm going now, home to my house to make love.
00:14:05.000I'm now going to move elegantly from that quote and that rather puerile bit of tomfoolery to a quote from Immanuel Kant on the idea of divide and conquer.
00:14:17.000In Perpetual Peace, a philosophical sketch by Kant, Appendix One, divide et impera, is the third of three political maxims, the others being fac et excusa, act now, make excuses later, we see that in the political realm, and si fascisti nega, if you commit a crime, deny it.
00:14:33.000Kant refers to this tactic in Appendix One of his Perpetual Peace when describing the traits of political moralists, divide and conquer, keep people divided, promote difference in the culture, promote the idea that we're different from one another, that we have different interests, That you could never get on with a person who's wearing a baseball cap like that.
00:14:50.000You could never get on with a person who's using a pronoun like that.
00:14:53.000When ultimately you have more in common, we have more in common, with one another than we could ever have in common with the rarefied small group of elite institutions and individuals that ultimately determine the global agenda.
00:15:06.000Some Indian historians, this is how it is in practice, such as politician, I hope I'm saying this right, Shashi Tharoor, assert that the British Raj frequently used this tactic.
00:15:16.000of Divide and Conquer to consolidate their rule and prevent the emergence of the Indian independence movement, citing Lord Elphinstone, who said that the Dividate Empire was the old Roman maxim and it should be ours.
00:15:28.000And of course, we mention this now to show our largely American audience that we, the British, acknowledge that many of the bad ideas that are currently being used by the American corporatist regime were invented by the British corporatist colonial imperialist regime.
00:15:45.000It's interesting with the farmers and like coming back to where we just came from with this, the kind of dismissive attitude of populist parties.
00:15:52.000And I know even in The Guardian, the kind of reporting of it saying that how fickle it is, the kind of support of populist parties.
00:15:59.000But when it relates to farmers and food, I mean, what could be more popular than food?
00:16:05.000Like if we if we lose these farmers and we lose these farms and abilities to, you know, eat food, I think that is worthy of being a populist movement.
00:16:14.000Food is popular, because if you don't eat none, you're gonna die.
00:16:18.000And they always attempt to ally these ideas with, I think, notions and schematics that we all acknowledge are wrong.
00:16:27.000Misogyny is wrong, antisemitism is wrong, racism is Wrong.
00:16:31.000We should be looking to forge alliances that are not based on our cultural identity.
00:16:35.000We should accept people's right to identify culturally in diverse and wonderful ways, whether that's traditional, old school, Christian, 2.4 kids or progressive.
00:16:50.000Like in our conversation with Glenn Greenwald the other day, once we've established a meaningful system of actual democracy, once we've got systems where we can control our resources and be individually free, then we can have a conversation about, hey, how do you prefer this?
00:17:03.000And are we going to leave each other alone?
00:17:06.000We don't want a centralised authority, corporate or state, involved in these aspects of our life.
00:17:12.000We want as much freedom as possible, not as little.
00:17:16.000Gareth, do you think it's time for us to Skip over to being exclusively available.
00:17:21.000I'm really determined to show because as well as everything else, as well as being almost a kind of new Rosetta Stone for many of the deceptive tactics deployed during the pandemic period, many of the errors made, much of the misreporting, the censorship, the opportunity to surveil, it demonstrates in real time too the Attitude that undergirded it, one of supremacy, one of domination, one of condescending, of speaking down to people parentally and it entirely backfires because the family being addressed to a conveniently a family of colour are able to sort of intuitively, instinctively or as a result of education, plainly in some of the arguments, rebut everything that Fauci is saying to in the end Fauci and his crew just walk off
00:18:17.000Remember, we're talking to Stella Assange in a minute as well.
00:18:19.000So join us on the other side, on the side of righteousness, inclusivity, absolute acceptance of diversity, end of all hatred, inclusivity and love.
00:19:46.000In fact, we got to get you vaccinated so that if you were to get infected, you could pass it on to them.
00:19:51.000So you're actually protecting your family by getting them vaccinated.
00:19:55.000Jabs do not reduce the risk of passing COVID within households.
00:19:59.000Studies suggest research reveals fully vaccinated people are just as likely to pass the virus on to those they share a home with as unvaccinated people.
00:20:07.000And that's from those conspiracy theorists over at The Guardian.
00:20:11.000Well, I heard that it doesn't cure it and it doesn't stop you from getting it.
00:21:11.000Okay and now for our second clip, yeah we can roll right over to that guys.
00:21:16.000People in America are not settled with the information that's been given to us right now.
00:21:21.000So I'm not going to be lining up taking a shot on a vaccination for something that wasn't clear in the first place and then you all create a shot Well let's check that.
00:21:39.000A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5-10 years and sometimes longer to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials.
00:21:47.000That's from those fringe lunatics at Infowars, no sorry not Infowars, John Hopkins University in 2021.
00:23:25.000You know how many people died of... Essentially what's heartening about this is it reassures you that ordinary people have a reasonable understanding of the world.
00:23:35.000Of course we're not saying that there isn't such a thing as expertise, ingenuity, study.
00:23:39.000What we're saying now and have always said is that this issue was revealing because it shows that when there is a convergence of interests and a particular momentum An agenda almost automatically appeared.
00:23:50.000Where facts were denied, certain voices were cut out of the conversation, people were condemned and then not really apologized to.
00:23:57.000The counterpoint to all of this, and the bright side of all of this, is that ordinary people ain't stupid.
00:24:03.000That's good because, to a degree, we're all ordinary people.
00:24:07.000We can make decisions for ourselves, informed decisions.
00:24:11.000And I think this reveals to us the degree to which propaganda and authoritarianism has taken hold of our culture that you're not allowed to question.
00:24:19.000The presumptuousness of Fauci knocking on that door, assuming that he's just going to blast people to the wall with facts when the facts aren't on his side at all.
00:24:30.000Yeah, no, I think it's really important.
00:24:32.000And just to kind of come back to like Don Lemon's point and a lot of the kind of attitude of the mainstream media, and of course, like comments from Biden and the pandemic of them vaccinated.
00:24:39.000But this poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation in 2021 said unvaccinated adults cite a variety of reasons why they've not gotten a COVID-19 vaccine, with half citing worries about side effects and 38% saying that the reasons include not trusting the government.
00:24:56.000And in the situation where, you know, we're watching Fauci interacting with members of the public, you can well see why people wouldn't trust the government, why they might have had historical reasons for not trusting the government.
00:25:06.000And then when it gets to something like this, where they're told, if you don't take this, you are letting down half the population.
00:25:11.000You are the reason why this pandemic continues.
00:25:13.000And then you find out, oh, that wasn't the truth.
00:26:28.000But Dr. Liana Nguyen writes in the Washington Post that the medical communities overcount in the amount of COVID deaths and hospitalizations.
00:26:33.000People have died from COVID-19 in the United States.
00:26:36.000Okay, Fauci's obviously about say 600,000, but Dr. Liana Nguyen writes in the Washington Post
00:26:41.000that the medical communities overcount in the amount of COVID deaths and hospitalizations.
00:26:45.000She writes, are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID? Which if you've been part of this
00:26:50.000conversation for a while, if you've been part of our audience for a while, is a distinction
00:27:37.000The man said, you're given the number that died, that's your number.
00:27:40.000The National Centre for Health Statistics uses incoming data to produce provisional COVID-19 death counts.
00:27:46.000When you start talking about paying people to get vaccinated, when you talk about incentivising people to get vaccinated, there's something going on with that.
00:27:51.000The incentives, of course, as you remember, included free donuts, fries, entering a lottery.
00:27:56.000I think there was a strip club involved at some point.
00:28:11.000Anyway, listen, one of the things that is worth mentioning is our health minister at the time, like the person in our country, the UK, charged with that, subsequently went on to be on reality TV and all kinds of crazy stuff after he got busted on CCTV, adjusting what I can only describe as His erection while he was having an affair with someone from another household when we were told that we weren't meant to communicate with anybody else.
00:28:34.000Some of these WhatsApp messages got leaked and he said stuff like, Matt Hancock's leaked messages suggest plan to frighten the public.
00:28:42.000Yeah, and that man's part in shot was you're trying to keep people in a state of fear, division, fear, shame, odd emotional tactics to use.
00:28:53.000If you think about it, controlling your consciousness, controlling your freedom means engaging with your emotional palate.
00:29:00.000It means reaching deep into your psyche.
00:29:03.000That is why it's so vital that we have a free press.
00:29:06.000That is why it's so vital that we are able to be stringently critical of power.
00:29:11.000That is so Why it is so vital that the case of Julian Assange is looked at in detail.
00:29:16.000Why is Julian Assange in Belmarsh Prison now, without trial, a maximum security prison, when the stuff that he reported has not been proven to endanger the life of a single American service person, and that's the reason that it's being, that's what legitimizes it currently, while the facts that he reported were simultaneously reported by organizations like the New York Times, The Guardian, The Spiegel, all that top brass, neoliberal propaganda mouthpieces.
00:29:59.000Today we feel pretty upbeat and one of the things that I've noticed lately, Stella, is that people are talking about Julian again more.
00:30:06.000Not in the mainstream media necessarily, but certainly within independent media.
00:30:12.000Somehow, instinctively, it was the name I reached for when I was on a mainstream media show recently, and I felt like I had to defend having an alternative perspective to the mainstream.
00:30:25.000Julian Assange's name is a symbol of mainstream media denial of facts and negligence of morality.
00:30:34.000Why do you think that we're talking about Julian Assange more now?
00:30:37.000Do you feel more optimistic about his campaign for freedom?
00:30:44.000I think that people have come to recognise that Julian is a symbol.
00:30:49.000I don't like the term martyr because no one should be a martyr, right, in a society that calls itself democratic and there are all these rights that we're supposed to uphold and so on.
00:31:01.000But they understand, they kind of see him mirror themselves, mirrored in him in the way the those in power are treating
00:31:10.000him with contempt, as if his rights don't matter, as if the truth doesn't
00:31:39.000He put out information that was verified, that was correct, that was official, and that was suppressed.
00:31:46.000And with suppressed information, you can go to court, you can rebut, as you have just done extensively.
00:31:55.000The truth is, in the end, all we have.
00:31:57.000That's the final defence of the powerless.
00:32:04.000And that's why they're trying to silence him so badly.
00:32:10.000So much documentation that was revealed, but some headline points include the U.S.
00:32:15.000Army's manual for Guantanamo prison camp, literally how to run a torture camp that was revealed, including information within the document itself, which said, don't let this fall into the wrong hands.
00:32:35.000And I think one of them was a Reuters journalist.
00:32:40.000Given that these are so evidently stories that are in the public interest, that demonstrate that American foreign policy was violent, egregious, unethical, illegal.
00:32:54.000What is the argument for keeping Julian Assange in Belmarsh prison right now?
00:33:15.000Basically, what they're saying is that to receive information from a source, to possess it and to communicate it to the public, even if that information involves evidence of war crimes, evidence of crimes against humanity, as is the case here, then the U.S.
00:33:32.000government doesn't like it, then they can put you in prison.
00:33:35.000It's completely absurd, especially coming from the country that prides itself in being
00:33:40.000a defender and promoter of press freedom, right?
00:34:08.000And that's why, actually, The Washington Post and The New York Times and The Guardian, who have historically seen Julian and WikiLeaks as a rival in the press landscape, they've actually come out to defend him.
00:34:23.000I mean, obviously, they could do so with more energy and commitment.
00:34:29.000But, so far, they've basically put their editorials out to be on the right side of history and said that this case is a danger to press freedom, that it sets a terrible precedent, because they have done the analysis, and they understand that what the U.S.
00:34:44.000government is arguing here is that journalism is a crime, and especially journalism that denounces the state committing crimes.
00:34:53.000So, naturally, when you think about it, you know, They invoke this kind of secrecy, this almost sacred secrecy.
00:35:15.000Because, obviously, if you have a war crime and you decide to cover it up, then you have to stamp it.
00:35:21.000A secret stamp on it, and therefore journalists who do serious journalism about national security issues have to have the right to be able to publish the truth, even when that truth is so-called classified, because obviously cover-ups are going to be classified.
00:35:39.000This Friday, there's a WikiLeaks art exhibition in London that you can attend if you want to, that shows diplomatic cables leaked by Julian.
00:35:50.000Tell us a bit more about that, Stella, would you?
00:35:53.000Yes, here in London we're opening, Wikileaks is co-curating an art exhibition with an organization called Apolitical and it's a very exciting project.
00:36:03.000It has huge artists like Ai Weiwei, the Chinese dissident artist.
00:36:09.000It has a posthumous piece by Vivienne Westwood.
00:36:12.000And the piece you're referring to of the U.S.
00:36:16.000State Department cables, it's part of Cablegate.
00:36:43.000And so, theoretically, I mean, if you take the U.S.
00:36:47.000case seriously, which no one should do, I mean, you should take it seriously because it criminalizes the free flow of information and your right to know.
00:36:57.000But what I'm saying is that there's no legitimacy to their argument that if you read the information, you are, in fact, violating the Espionage Act.
00:37:07.000And this is a point that this piece is trying to make.
00:37:09.000In fact, when you read the news, when you read Seymour Hersh or when you read the Snowden documents or reporting about the Snowden documents, what you're doing, in effect, is violating the U.S.
00:37:20.000Espionage Act, because that is information that the U.S.
00:37:23.000government says is classified and you're not allowed to know, even when it violates your rights.
00:38:17.000Estella, thanks for coming on and explaining how we can violate the Espionage Act and look at some art simultaneously and enjoy that documentary.
00:38:25.000We'll put the link to that in the description for you now.
00:38:29.000Estella, thank you so much for carrying the burden that you undoubtedly carry, for continuing to campaign for Julian's freedom, So for continuing to highlight that many people do not want a paternal relationship with the state where truthful information is censored in order apparently to protect us and those of you that have been following the Twitter files case will see that similarly truthful information is being censored presumably because you and I'm talking to you
00:38:59.000Don't know how to look after yourself or make decisions for yourself and for your family?
00:39:03.000Julian Assange is in prison because of that mentality.
00:39:42.000And lots of love coming in Stella's direction.
00:39:45.000Then, what I might call a passive-aggressive comment from the Rugby Druid.
00:39:49.000When Brandt was this fast-talking tosser on Big Brother's Little Brother, it was Big Brother's Big Mouth, thanks, I wanted nothing more than to see him stranded on a remote island with savage beasts.
00:40:15.000Because I didn't know the glory that is heat and cold.
00:40:19.000Because I was locked into a modality that made me believe that health I only could be purchased by pharmaceutical companies.
00:40:27.000I didn't know about Dr. Help Me Rhonda Patrick.
00:40:31.000She's a biomedical scientist and the host of Found My Fitness podcast, and she's here now to talk to us about the limitless power within us that can be unlocked by subjecting ourselves, I think, to extreme temperatures.
00:41:31.000And this is the same type of stress that exercise is.
00:41:34.000It's a good type of stress where you're stressing your body, but your body has evolved these stress responses that are beneficial to that stress.
00:41:43.000I mean, humans were, you know, throughout evolution, we were exposed to intermittent stress.
00:41:48.000We were, you know, hunting, gathering, you're running fast to get prey.
00:41:52.000You know, that we went through periods of food scarcity, right?
00:41:55.000Like we, these are, these are types of intermittent stress.
00:41:59.000And our bodies have evolved pathways, genes that are turned on that sort of respond to that, that are not only beneficial in that moment, but they have a net beneficial effect.
00:42:10.000Anti-inflammatory responses, antioxidant responses that are active much longer than the intermittent type of, you know, stress period that we sort of engaged in.
00:42:21.000And so yes, sauna use has been and it's, you know, it's a Um, a modality, another modality, I argue another modality of basically healthful types of behaviors like exercise, like meditation, like good sleep, all these things that good diet, you know, these, these are lifestyle factors that are known to improve health.
00:42:43.000And I think sauna should be one of those factors because there is just mounting evidence that the sauna is associated with a 50% lower cardiovascular related mortality.
00:42:54.000It's associated with a 40% lower, what's called all cause mortality, basically dying from all non-accidental causes.
00:43:01.000As you mentioned, respiratory disease as well.
00:43:57.000Do you believe that that's part of what it is?
00:44:00.000That it replicates the conditions for which we are evolved?
00:44:03.000And indeed, is that why it even, like exercise, sauna, and can I ask, cold therapy, is that why they affect your mental health positively too?
00:44:16.000I think that because we have been able to measure, you know, genetic pathways, molecular pathways, molecules that are increasing in our body in response to sauna use, in response to exercise, in response to cold exposure, we're able to measure those molecules and genes and go, look, These are beneficial molecules.
00:44:39.000They're things that are blunting chronic inflammation, which is a byproduct of being sedentary, of being overweight, obese, of eating a refined, you know, carbohydrate, processed food, rich diet.
00:44:52.000And we're able to then also look at these genes.
00:44:55.000These are genes that are, you know, heat shock proteins for one.
00:44:59.000They respond to heat, but they also respond to just stress in general.
00:45:03.000So you can actually activate heat shock proteins, obviously from sauna,
00:45:07.000which would increase, you know, your core body temperature and exercise,
00:45:10.000but cold exposure also increases those.
00:45:12.000And they're basically, they have a beneficial effect in your brain, also in muscle mass.
00:45:22.000And so, yes, I do think that actually the intermittent type of stress, you have to kind of be uncomfortable for a little bit.
00:45:29.000And that uncomfortable feeling is essential for the response, which is beneficial.
00:45:35.000And this term is somewhat Sometimes it's called referred to as what's called hormesis.
00:45:41.000So essentially, you expose your body to a little bit of stress.
00:45:45.000And sometimes that stress could be in the form of physical activity or temperature stress, or it can be plant polyphenols.
00:45:51.000You can, you know, turmeric for one, you know, these are bioactive compounds that are found in plants that they're a little bit toxic.
00:45:59.000But only when they're like in a really, really, really, really high dose.
00:46:02.000So like, for example, they're toxic to insects or fungus.
00:46:05.000And that's kind of how why plants evolve these compounds is to sort of ward them off.
00:46:10.000But when humans ingest them, it has the same a similar response.
00:46:14.000It activates these beneficial anti-inflammatory, anti-oxidant pathways.
00:46:19.000And in our brain and in our body that are that are improving the way we age
00:46:23.000and improving the way we feel, the way we think.
00:46:26.000And it's interesting because I actually became so interested in this sauna when I was a graduate student getting my PhD, I was in the lab, failed experiment after failed experiment.
00:46:35.000I mean, let me tell you, there's like 10, More failed experiments than successful ones.
00:46:39.000As a scientist, I was very stressed out.
00:47:18.000And since then, there has been quite a bit of literature showing that sauna is beneficial on the brain.
00:47:25.000So work by Dr. Charles Raison, you know, this was back in about 2016, he published a paper with people that have major depressive disorder, and they were sort of resistant to typical treatment.
00:47:39.000So like SSRI, serotonin reuptake inhibitors is a very common one.
00:47:43.000And so he took these individuals and separated them into two groups.
00:47:47.000One group got what's called whole body hyperthermia, which is kind of like a sauna.
00:47:52.000So there's a machine, it's an infrared type of sauna where you basically, you know, are warming the person up via infrared radiation.
00:48:01.000And so they were, they were getting that active treatment.
00:48:04.000And then there was a placebo group that was getting just a little bit warmer, like enough to think they were getting the treatment, but it wasn't.
00:48:12.000And the people that were getting the actual treatment, they actually were in a feverish state.
00:48:16.000So their, their core body temperature, I mean, they were at about 101.3 degrees Fahrenheit, which is a little, a little bit feverish.
00:49:01.000I can't talk too many details about it, but it's extremely promising.
00:49:05.000And it's so exciting because what we have here is a potential modality for you know, mood disorders, anxiety, much more work needs to be done.
00:49:17.000But the reality is, is that, you know, sauna does mimic in many ways, moderate cardiovascular intensity, a lot of the physiological response is similar.
00:49:25.000And, you know, it takes a certain amount of commitment to go for a run, to get on a bike, you know, get on your peloton, you know, whatever, whatever it is, that's going to get your heart rate, you know, up and you're you're you're sweating, you know, and a lot of times people that are depressed, it is it is challenging for them to try to take that initial step.
00:49:47.000But when you tell them to get into a sauna, It kind of feels like, you know, well, I just have to step into this.
00:50:14.000And so this is a potential new way to improve, not only improve mood and basically mental health, but the side effects are reduced cardiovascular disease, reduced respiratory disease, reduced Alzheimer's disease risk.
00:50:49.000In fact, a new one just came out comparing head to head comparison, people getting antidepressants versus people getting, getting, um, running therapy.
00:50:58.000And it, it, you know, the running therapies is, is basically working just as good as the antidepressants.
00:52:00.000I want to know more specific information about how hot I should be getting and how long I should be in there and I'm obviously gonna ask you that as well as reading you this comment from a member of our locals community which you can You can join.
00:52:25.000That's how the Finns have been doing it for a long time.
00:52:27.000And you, Doctor, may be a scientist, but I will tell you plainly with my hand on my heart, it's pronounced tumeric.
00:52:36.000Also, Doc, tell us a little more, would you, about the benefits of lactic acid and in particular within high-intensity workouts and perhaps pick up too on Gareth's point that there are Seems natural facilities for life giving benefits to our immune systems and respiratory systems that are not promoted or explored precisely because they're not profitable or not worthy of research.
00:53:00.000These are the kind of questions that were raised during the pandemic and that we continue to discuss, not because we like hippie dippy lunatics, although in the case of me, I actually am a bit.
00:53:09.000But because we believe that there are great powers that can be accessed and will only be supplemented through profitable medicines when necessary.
00:53:19.000What do you think about all that, Doc?
00:53:26.000There's a lack of funding for alternative types of treatments and therapies, not only for mental health, but a variety of other age-related diseases as well.
00:53:37.000It is extremely difficult to get funding.
00:53:39.000And so you have to be creative and find other ways, which we have done.
00:53:43.000And so, you know, there's always there's always people out there that that are philanthropic, that are willing and want to donate to research.
00:53:51.000And so you just have to be creative and not just go for the same sort of, you know, government funded type of grants.
00:53:58.000And, you know, there's not an incentive there, as you mentioned, the incentive You're not going to profit much from someone that can go for a run or from someone that can actually even take a hot bath.
00:54:08.000To be honest, hot baths have also been shown you can do 20 minutes at 104 degrees Fahrenheit and you can activate heat shock proteins in the same way that being in a sauna.
00:54:20.000163 degrees Fahrenheit for 30 minutes can do.
00:54:23.000And so not everyone has access to a sauna.
00:54:27.000As the commenter mentioned in Finland, they are pretty ubiquitous.
00:54:31.000But a lot of people do have access to a hot bath.
00:54:33.000And when I'm traveling, I actually do hot baths.
00:55:00.000And the duration in there is also important, at least 20 minutes.
00:55:04.000And then also the frequency, how many times a week so to get the minimum effective benefits at least three times a week, but to really get the most robust for at least four.
00:55:14.000So, four times a week, 20 minutes while you're in there at at least 174 degrees Fahrenheit.
00:55:19.000Now, you mentioned high intensity exercise, vigorous exercise.
00:55:24.000So, for a long time, It was thought when you work your muscles really hard, you're making what's called lactate or lactic acid.
00:55:32.000It's constantly going between lactate, lactic acid.
00:55:36.000And it was thought that this was like this waste product that was not beneficial at all.
00:55:40.000In fact, it was thought it was Making your muscles sore and turns out the lactate itself is not making your muscles sore.
00:55:47.000It's the it's the hydrogen ions, but it's so much more we have learned over the course of the past, you know, 30 years or so is that lactate when you force your muscles to work.
00:55:58.000So too hard where they they basically can't make enough energy quick enough.
00:56:03.000from the, you know, basically these energy producing little systems inside of your muscle called mitochondria, they use oxygen to make the energy, they have to adapt and they have to go, okay, I need to make energy quicker.
00:56:14.000So they use glucose, they do this really quick type of metabolism where lactate is a byproduct.
00:56:20.000And it turns out the muscles excrete it into circulation, and it gets into the brain, transported into the brain, where it's been shown to increase neurotransmitter production, glutamate, the major excitatory neurotransmitter, norepinephrine, involved in focus and attention.
00:56:37.000And also it's important, it's been shown to be critical for what's called long-term potentiation.
00:56:42.000Essentially, Long-term memory being able to remember things I'm learning being able to learn things and this is all being generated from your muscle It's also a little it acts as a little messenger that increases what's called brain drive neurotrophic factor in your brain It's making you smarter It's making you more your brain more plastic able to adapt to changing environments and it's increasing the production of new neurons in your brain all from exercise all from this
00:57:08.000Quote unquote, what we thought metabolic waste product.
00:57:11.000Our muscles are like little pharmaceutical factories.
00:57:13.000They're making compounds that are beneficial, not only for cardiovascular health.
00:57:18.000I think everyone agrees exercise has been known to be beneficial for cardiovascular health, but mental health as well.
00:57:24.000It's producing compounds that are, you know, they're acting as little signaling molecules, increasing Neurotrophic factors in our brain.
00:58:04.000And there's so much that can be done beneficially for mental health, for physical health,
00:58:08.000for the way we age, for improving the way our loved, you know, our family members, our loved ones,
00:58:12.000helping them feel better, helping the world, you know, feel better.
00:58:15.000I think exercise is like the most important thing and particularly moderate to vigorous exercise,
00:58:22.000but on top of that, heat stress is another modality as well.
00:58:25.000And so I'm it's awesome to hear that you're doing this Russell and I do it as well.
00:58:30.000And it's like one of those things you don't know until you know, you just you got to try it.
00:58:34.000If this is true, and you're doing it, how come you are so lacklustre and lacking in passion in your own discourse?
00:58:42.000How come you are so stymied and astringent and floppy and lacking in vitality?
00:58:51.000Doctor, it's so fantastic to have you on the show and to have the opportunity to showcase your evident passion and knowledge, to hear you explain how many of the tools we require for wellness are accessible within us, even though of course we accept that, as you say, not everyone has access to a sauna, although if there are good facilities near you it's an absolute possibility.
00:59:10.000It's interesting to know that we can take control of our personal wellness, that we can alter the trajectory of our health, that we don't We need to be sedentary zombies staring dimly at screens, pumping ourselves sort of SSRIs to remain just a little bit upbeat.
00:59:27.000If you are yourself a symbol of these methods, then they seem to be working extremely well.
00:59:33.000I hope that I get another opportunity to speak with you.
00:59:37.000I'd love to have you on the show many, many more times.
00:59:39.000You obviously have a great deal to say and so much of it is incredibly beneficial and informative.
01:00:52.000Then we'd have all got healthier as a result and happier.
01:00:55.000You are lucky we are on Rumble, because if you say anything like that at The Guardian, on MSNBC, or heaven forbid on YouTube, you'd be literally put in jail.
01:01:07.000You'd be going, there's no saunas where you're going, my man.
01:01:12.000We've got a fantastic show for you tomorrow.
01:01:15.000We've got a fantastic guest, anti-war advocate and personal friend, Dave Smith.
01:01:20.000We'll also be taking a deeper look at Tucker's Iraq regrets, as well as having a bit of fun around that peace deal that they're trying to Bulls up.
01:01:29.000Like, you know, China and Russia are looking for a peace deal.
01:01:31.000And also we'll be looking at Vladimir.
01:01:33.000Maybe the reason peace hasn't been achieved is because Vladimir Putin literally doesn't seem to know how to shake hands.
01:02:38.000More than the betrayal and the lying and the potential duplicity that's implied by the fact that they weren't abiding by rules that we had to abide by, presumably for safety reasons, if they weren't concerned about those safety reasons, why were those rules implemented?
01:03:53.000You can get that, you can watch it now if you're a member of the locals community, like Thomas Beard, who says exercise is almost always the answer, or Pride Fault, I know something that'll work for your depression, but you won't try it.
01:04:08.000Well, you beautiful folk in our community, well...
01:04:11.000It's time for us to leave you now, unless you're a member of our locals community, where you can immediately watch Stay Connected, the weekly show Gareth and I do, where we answer your questions and show you behind the scenes, and by God, what crazy things go on.
01:04:22.000Remember, we've got fantastic content coming up later this week, as well as the weekly meditations that are accessible.
01:04:28.000There's one dropping on Sunday, where I deal with imposter syndrome.
01:04:31.000Not personally, I know who I am, I believe in me.
01:04:34.000You can access things like live podcast recordings like the one I've just done with Graham Hancock, which will be the show for everyone else on Friday.