In this episode, we will be revealing yet more about the FBI lies of January 6th, 2019, about the mysterious death of Aaron Hernandez, and the possible involvement of the CIA, the FBI, the DEA, the DOJ and the DOJ in his death. We will also be discussing more revelations about Bill Gates and Epstein, and blackmail from a mainstream media source, as well as a new verification wing that the BBC has started to verify the information presented to the public by the BBC, possibly by the WHO and commercial interests, here in cyberspace. Can we build a new Jerusalem? Or is this all just another conspiracy theory, concocted by the deep state to keep us safe and secure in the dark days of the Cold War? And is it even possible that Aaron Hernandez was murdered by the CIA? Or was it an inside job, or was it something even more sinister than we were all supposed to know? Join us on RUMBLE, wherever you get your news and information, and join the movement to bring light to the truth and expose the dark side of the military-industrial complex. Join our FB group and join us on our new YouTube channel . to find out what we are up to, and what we re up to! And stay tuned for our next episode next Monday, where we re talking about all things conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories and everything else. . . . and conspiracy theory related to Aaron Hernandez's death, conspiracy theory. and all kinds of conspiracy theories. Stay tuned to the latest conspiracy theories about Aaron Hernandez and his mysterious death, right here on this episode of RUMBLING AWAKEDUCERTS! (and much more! ) ! Thank you so much for listening to the awakening light! - Theo, Theo, I m so sorry for telling the truth about important stuff. - the truth is out there, and I hope you like it, and we can fuel this light and freedom, and together, so you can fuel the light, how? - and together we re not just one more awakening light, right, right? ? - Eternally, coming soon, right now! Love, Anonymous, Anonymous? - MURDERING, ALREADY, ALONE, PODCASTING, PRAISE, RING RINGING, LEARNING, GOOGLE, AND MORE!
00:01:13.000If you're watching us on YouTube, I don't blame you.
00:01:15.000You could be one of the 6.4 million awakening wonders that is turning that platform that is potentially highly regulated, possibly by the WHO, Also by an algorithm and commercial interests into a place of freedom.
00:01:28.000Can we build a new Jerusalem here in cyberspace?
00:01:36.000There's more revelations about, um, I'm sorry to say this, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but there's more revelations about Bill Gates and Epstein and blackmail.
00:01:46.000This comes from a mainstream media source.
00:01:48.000I do sometimes think, like, whoever Allegedly!
00:02:14.000Like, whoever it was that did that, they're good at mur- I'd say, if it were that he were murdered, it would have to be someone who's very good at murdering people under difficult and tricky circumstances, because they weren't able to get someone into that high security thing.
00:02:26.000Murder, get out, no one found out about it.
00:02:28.000So anyway, so we've got more- Well, you're discounting the inside job there.
00:02:42.000We're going to be talking about, on our presentation, here's the news, we're talking about Elon and, ironically, conspiracy theories, and his assertion that many of these conspiracy theories under scrutiny and analysis are not conspiracy theories at all, Rather dissenting views that are outside the mainstream establishment narrative, which of course ultimately always ends up being about centralizing authority and being able to control financial outcomes and assert dominion.
00:03:10.000There's a blackout on Biden's business bombshells, baby.
00:03:17.000Also, we've got William Hartung, baby, exposing corruption in the military-industrial complex.
00:03:22.000I know some of you are doing a drinking game, where every time I say military-industrial complex, you have a drink, and some of you are suffering from alcoholism as a result, because I'm always going on about it.
00:03:31.000Well, I'm so sorry for telling the truth, Theo, about important stuff.
00:04:29.000Did you know that the BBC have started a new verification wing that they're presenting like it's some sort of colourful Teletubbies delight?
00:04:36.000Oh, we're going to be verifying you and stuff like that.
00:05:19.000A Massachusetts judge deciding that 21-year-old airman Jack Tashira will stay behind bars while awaiting trial.
00:05:26.000Tashira charged with leaking troves of sensitive classified data.
00:05:29.000Troves of, uh, treasure words are sneaking in.
00:05:31.000I'm hearing a lot of words like treasure, piracy, argh, gym lad, all of it sneaking into the mainstream lexicon.
00:05:39.000There are also terms like sensitive information, but at no point does he say, which we should probably have access to some of that sensitive information.
00:05:46.000Should have told you that, especially if it relates to uh this ongoing war this war that you're paying for that you're funding did you want to know about it or should we just just do what we want to do we'll focus on the things that he has done look how little he is he's only about that big look that's that's him if he was stood there he'd only be as high as he was in that picture a little limpet of a lad it's online in addition he was allegedly not particularly shy about his love of guns and racist and anti-semitic views now air force memos show
00:06:15.000of guns and anti-semitic views i love these views of mine he says to himself in his consciousness
00:06:21.000his supervisors had previously warned him three times to stop deep diving into classified material
00:06:27.000they even offered to i feel like if you are like in the military and you have to
00:06:33.000warn one of your subordinates yeah more than once actually I think so.
00:06:37.000Like, they're not cut out for life in the military.
00:06:40.000Like, in the military, as you know, remember I was in the Marines that day.
00:06:43.000Now, one of the things we prided ourselves on, me and the other Marines, was our discipline.
00:07:24.000The thing about that report... Have you got something important to say, mate?
00:07:27.000Well, it's not, I guess, I don't know if it's important, but that's exactly what they do, don't they?
00:07:30.000They focus on, I mean, even when they're mentioning his, like, love of guns, it's like, let's focus on the individual and the things that we can dig up about him that may or may not be true, rather than the actual things that he had to say.
00:08:24.000In a minute, we're going to talk about the FBI suspending three whistleblowers who simply wanted to tell you the truth about January 6th.
00:08:29.000If you're watching this thinking, why is this guy, this guy talking about jump castles?
00:08:34.000In a minute you'll be thinking, why is this guy telling us some hard home truths about the infiltration of January 6th protests by CIA assets.
00:08:51.000For now, that's allegedly for now, but it's some important information and given that the FBI are treating these whistleblowers appallingly.
00:08:59.000Right, there's got to be something going on.
00:09:01.000Anyway, before that, there's this man who's got a bouncy castle business and he don't mind whose toes he has to step on to make it work.
00:09:43.000I mean, deflating bouncy castles, that's out of order.
00:09:45.000If you make your livelihood out of castles that are pneumatic, filled with air, and you jump up and down them, dangerous in themselves, but not as dangerous as dinner with Jeffrey Dahmer, what's the second course?
00:10:45.000But let's find out a bit more about these bouncy castles before we tell you that the FBI broke the law nearly 300,000 times spying, if you're an American, on you.
00:15:05.000Later on, we're going to be talking about the FBI wrongfully suspending three whistleblowers who revealed malfeasance within the agency and that they broke the law 300,000 times.
00:16:14.000They do get around, round, get around, I get around.
00:16:17.000Anyway, these FBI employees testified to the House Weaponization Subcommittee about the shocking abuses they observed and the vicious retaliation they suffered from the Bureau after they made protected whistleblower complaints.
00:16:29.000Oh, you men would be allowed to do that.
00:16:31.000Having suspended them without pay, he refused to release records that would allow them to seek other employment and leaked personal information about them
00:16:37.000into the media the FBI stripped their security clearances before they went
00:16:40.000to Washington. I bet you know more about this story though don't
00:17:02.000Well so this is the one that we were talking about last week that Joe Biden is trying to extend because it runs out the end of the year.
00:17:07.000This is the one that like Snowden was revealing about this that was brought in during the kind of war on terror years of being able to apparently surveil foreign people but amazingly they seem to be able to surveil all American people at the same time which is an incredible coincidence how this keeps on happening.
00:17:24.000So yeah nearly 300,000 people have been surveilled These are people, and bringing it back to the kind of Jan 6 protests, they were surveilling people involved in that, but also Black Lives Matter, so it was people kind of spanning the, you know, both sides of the political spectrum.
00:17:37.000So whatever you're protesting for, chances are the FBI are giving you such a surveilling, you could say, I'm against police brutality and I'm protesting against the murder of George Floyd.
00:18:05.000Those performing the surveillance have routinely violated the procedures of the FISA law and continue to carry out queries and electronic spying on US citizens, claiming that such crimes were an inadvertent mistake.
00:18:17.000An amazing amount of mistakes, nearly 300,000.
00:18:52.000Let's stop talking about cooking body parts, right?
00:18:54.000What's happening in the chat, Gal, is they've gone into cannibalism.
00:18:57.000Hopefully just from a commentary perspective rather than exchanging recipes, although that is the sort of thing that would begin in a chat room on Rumble, I suspect.
00:19:07.000No, we are all good people over here interested in...
00:19:09.000So I guess the thing is, things like this, these aren't exactly the things that these whistleblowers are exposing about the FBI, but there are other things that have come up.
00:19:16.000Obviously we had the report last week about Russiagate, which we know has now been fully debunked.
00:19:23.000So there are things going on about the FBI seemingly every day, and now these whistleblowers kind of being treated in the way that they have been by the FBI when they're revealing these kind of things, I guess compounds it for us.
00:19:34.000Because we start to think, well what the hell is going on at the FBI?
00:19:37.000Oh, I'll tell you some of the things that have been going on lately, and you're going to love this, guys, because it pertains to January the 6th, and many people think that these whistleblowers first fell under scrutiny due to not towing the line with regard to that particular matter.
00:19:50.000The FBI had undercover informants and agents in the crowd, it's been confirmed, during the January 6th protest.
00:19:57.000There were undercover agents and informants from other law enforcement agencies as well, including the Washington DC Metro Police.
00:20:25.000It's almost like every single person there Yeah, and I think this is a really key one.
00:20:30.000One such individual, again this is allegedly at the moment because it's in a Congressional hearing so it can't be, you know, actual fact at this point.
00:20:36.000Not confirmed, in case you're a person who's interested in saying things of disinformation so that you can shut down counter views.
00:20:43.000One individual is alleged to have been in the crowd screaming, stop the steal, stop the steal and pushing protesters towards the Capitol building.
00:20:49.000So then you start to ask yourself, well how much were these members of the Secret Service involved in what happened that day?
00:20:59.000Now I know loads of you, let us know in the chat, join us in locals.
00:21:02.000Loads of you will have examples of footage which you say looks like people were like dressing up in like MAGA caps and that, taking off their shiny shoes.
00:21:11.000a dead giveaway and putting on their MAGA hats and shouting stuff like,
00:21:16.000stop the steal, stop the steal, and then pushing protesters towards the Capitol building.
00:21:20.000You'll be aware of many instances in the past where the FBI have gone beyond espionage
00:21:26.000into actually setting up terrorist moves and movements.
00:21:30.000I mean, there's a brilliant Chris Morris film about that.
00:21:34.000I think the problem with all of this is that again, like you always say, Ross, is like kind of remove the issue and remove the personalities involved in all of it.
00:21:43.000Do we want an organization that are doing things like potentially being part of, for example, Jan 6th?
00:21:49.000and potentially inciting some of these incidents when we don't have access to any of that information
00:21:55.000because what they're doing is polarizing us.
00:21:57.000They're creating an event and saying, these are all these people that you hate, and on
00:22:01.000the other side, these are all these people that you hate.
00:22:27.000Not only does 69% of saucy voters believe that they've done that, you know, with the Russia collusion stuff, 70% are concerned the Bureau will interfere in future elections.
00:22:36.000Let me know in the chat, are you concerned that the FBI could dabble, interfere and meddle with future elections?
00:23:44.000I assure you, That we are on rumble in order that we can speak freely, so that we can bring people together from across the political spectrum.
00:23:52.000Remember what we said about the FBI story a moment ago?
00:23:55.000They were surveilling George Floyd protesters.
00:23:58.000They were surveilling Jan 6 protesters.
00:24:00.000Now, according to the mainstream narrative, these are two separate polls, right?
00:24:07.000I would say these are two groups of people utterly disenchanted with centralised state corruption.
00:24:13.000I would say that all of those views are valuable and this is the kind of conversation we want to have and it's the kind of conversation we can only have on Rumble.
00:24:20.000We're going to slip off to Rumble where we can speak freely, where it's like taking off a pair of very tight briefs and slipping into a very comfortable negligee.
00:24:30.000Join us over there in that silky Fur-trimmed little number for a chin-wag momentarily.
00:26:06.000He's like, I have the image of a hobo wandering down the side of a road, just snatching cans from a privet hedge, bundling it all into his shopping trolley and calling it a day's work.
00:28:15.000Very much like someone who's going to join the KGB, be bored with the espionage and subtle murders of the oligarchical class, and then one day rise to president.
00:28:25.000You've got to keep an eye on that, lad, is what I say.
00:29:06.000Right, come on, join us in locals and you can be commenting like this lot.
00:29:10.000They say, he says that while rocking the Jesus look too, says Jay Gwyn Wild.
00:29:13.000Yeah, Christ did up to the nines and I love our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and do not purport to be the... He was big into the big gold chains, wasn't he, Jesus?
00:31:01.000Well, the Wall Street Journal did the investigation and so what they've uncovered is essentially, and it's alleged again, that Bill Gates had an affair with a young Russian bridge player in her twenties.
00:31:39.000Anyway, so he apparently, this was in 2010, she was in her 20s, he was much older, and essentially what is claimed here is that Epstein used this against Bill Gates.
00:31:49.000So Epstein wanted Bill Gates to put in like a hundred million into this philanthropy fund that he was trying to get loads of big donors to contribute to and Epstein was going to make a lot of
00:32:33.000And this was post-affair with Bill Gates.
00:32:35.000Epstein met her, paid for this course, and then later, after Bill Gates said, I'm not going to invest in this scheme of yours... Oh, this is salacious, man!
00:32:43.000He wrote an email to Bill Gates saying, oh, will you owe me for Milla Antonova's That's mobster stuff, isn't it?
00:32:52.000So he found out someone that had a connection to Bill Gates, allegedly, and paid for them to do a course and went, I did you a little favour.
00:35:50.000It's a publicly funded platform over here in the United Kingdom and they've started their own misinformation sort of unit and let's sort of just have a brief look at how that's going to go down.
00:36:04.000Like you said, we are a team of investigative journalists here at the BBC.
00:36:08.000We are also a new brand and we are a physical location above the newsroom in London.
00:36:13.000It's very friendly and accessible so far, isn't it?
00:36:16.000It's like we're talking about something that's very much for the TikTok online generation, like it's multiple screens, it's touch screens, it's a young person presenting it, the style is jocular, An affable but verification misinformation disinformation as you know our buzzwords that have been created as centralized old school legacy media starts to realize that there are now numerous fronts of competition from the independent media sector that obviously includes us
00:36:42.000Now, you could argue we're not doing ourselves any favours by covering stories about Jeffrey Epstein or January the 6th when we're talking about freedom of speech, when we're talking about centralised authoritarian control of media and government and deep state involvement in social media platforms.
00:36:55.000But the fact is, we believe those are the stories you're interested in and we believe it's only by scrutinising those stories that we can begin to create a new transparency, clarity and new alliances in this space between people that might previously align with one of the old school taxonomies like left or right.
00:37:12.000I put it to you that those ideas are over now.
00:37:14.000I put it to you that the old media is responding to these new and emergent forces even though we are nascent, even though we are small.
00:37:41.000We saw Elon Musk talking about that to the mainstream media recently with regard to the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:37:47.000You know, either conspiracy theories or right-wing propaganda.
00:37:50.000That's the way they describe this stuff.
00:37:51.000Now, it's also important, I think, To point out that in 2022 the BBC, which is already state-funded, that means a tax is exacted from the British population, it's mandatory to pay for what is called the licence fee, but it's fundamentally a tax that pays for the BBC, which in the past most of us have been pretty willing to support in the same way that we support, broadly speaking, the National Health Service, believing that it's responsible to have a kind of public broadcaster.
00:38:19.000But when that public broadcaster becomes a state broadcaster, That is a different and important distinction.
00:38:24.000The BBC of course received 4.1 million in additional funding in 2022 and one might ponder what the conditions were that were stipulated in order to receive that 4.1 million.
00:38:37.000It was ostensibly about the war but you're perhaps as a discerning and awakening viewer aware that the conditions that led to the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, while Russia's invasion is of course criminal, involved NATO infringement on former Soviet territories, a coup, In 2014 in Ukraine, the complexities of some of the far-right elements within Ukraine, the stuff that's been going down in Crimea, not to mention the current arming of Ukraine by the military-industrial complex, you receive 50% of all U.S.
00:39:07.000budgets and 70% of those weapons are very difficult to track and in fact impossible to track Inside the territory of Ukraine seems to me There's some questions to be asked there and a public broadcaster should be asking those questions not criticizing and shutting down Independent media that do do that and if that is their approach I wonder what is the legitimacy of the ongoing?
00:39:27.000License fee is an interesting question for us to ponder in the days going forward Yeah, absolutely.
00:39:31.000There's an article in Al Jazeera today about the BBC role in the propaganda machine.
00:39:37.000So it talks about the BBC as the propaganda machine of the British imperialism around the globe, as well as in enabling and facilitating the CIA-MI6 coup in Iran in 1953, by doing precisely what it now goes around finding darker nations doing, indulging in fake news and propaganda.
00:39:54.000I guess an institution with a history of promoting British imperialism and therefore wars, which should we have been involved in.
00:40:02.000It's now trying to shut down, as you say, a kind of independent media trying to tell more nuanced opinions of the current wars.
00:40:09.000That's interesting, that perspective, mate.
00:40:10.000The BBC was of course minted in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War when a new contract was being forged between the ordinary working people of our nation and their institutions.
00:40:22.000There were all sorts of new endeavours to support the people that had sacrificed so heavily in order to maintain the freedom of the British people.
00:40:31.000It's when the National Health Service was started, as you can see it's when the BBC started, but plainly there was still a kind of an allegiance to the colonialism and imperialism that preceded that period.
00:40:42.000Any publicly funded state supporting organisation that suddenly announces a new agenda to shut down competition, opposition, it has to be itself subject to some scrutiny.
00:40:56.000I would argue And there was some other stuff in this that we found pretty interesting towards the end.
00:41:01.000I think it was when they were telling you how it was going to operate.
00:41:03.000Yeah, I mean, this is where it's starting to look very much like they are going to come for platforms like Rumble.
00:41:09.000Yeah, I mean, when you have a look at it, the kind of things that Rumble is accused of, or certainly in the mainstream media, in the way that they narrativize Rumble.
00:41:17.000Because of course, if you want to criticize alternative voices, you can't say we don't like alternative voices because they're attacking establishment power and are likely eventually going to become a threat to our income, whether that's our advertisers or levies that we are able to raise from the public.
00:41:30.000Far better to say that they are Peddling conspiracy theories and misinformation and racism.
00:41:37.000Because conspiracy theories, misinformation and racism are all wrong and disgusting and none of them would have a place here.
00:41:44.000But what we're interested in is alternative views.
00:41:47.000What we're interested in is bringing people together from across the political spectrum.
00:41:51.000You might have thought yourself left-wing all your life, but really what you're interested in is freedom, compassion, kindness.
00:41:57.000You might have thought yourself as right-wing your whole life, really what you're interested in is independence, your individual identity.
00:42:04.000All of us have more in common with one another than we do with these centralised organisations that are increasingly interested in authority and censorship.
00:42:13.000They are not our friends, they shouldn't be able to control us, they shouldn't be able to take our money, whether it's the FBI, Or the BBC.
00:42:20.000The fact is that many of these free-letter-name organisations belong to the past, and that's why they're fighting so furiously against the future.
00:42:33.000OK, let's have a look at the end of this thing.
00:42:36.000I'm investigating the UK's conspiracy theory movement.
00:42:39.000I'm trying to understand more about how it's evolved and intensified since the pandemic here in the UK.
00:42:44.000I'm looking at the alternative media that finds itself at the heart of this movement and a conspiracy theory newspaper that's a part of that as well.
00:42:51.000I'm looking at the way that alternative media is funded.
00:43:39.000But what you cannot have are organisations that pose as a moral authority when the fact is, and I feel that this is in a sense a ubiquitous problem, no one has that claim to universal authority anymore.
00:44:23.000Now, moving from contemporary propaganda, let's have a propaganda, which is cockney for us, good look at some propaganda of the past in the form of public service announcement.
00:44:34.000Let's have a look at a weird title sequence that Jack's And now it's actually Jay-Z.
00:45:08.000It's like, sort of, if you give a toddler a pair of scissors.
00:45:11.000You know there are risks, but maybe they'll come up with something interesting once in a while.
00:45:15.000Okay, as you've just been told by Jay-Z, without getting any consent from Rockefeller Records, here is the Public Service Announcement item, and here's Mr. T with a terrifying Public Service Announcement about the dangers of drugs.
00:45:28.000Dangers that it looks to me that he's personally familiar with, because he's off his nut throughout the whole thing.
00:48:31.000Hey, listen, should we talk to our guest and not worry about the fact that we need to play an ad in before the guest, so you could just do a message to our sponsor.
00:48:39.000Okay, listen, we ain't got time to play our presentation, here's the news, which is good.
00:48:50.000Gareth, tell us briefly what it's about.
00:48:52.000Uh it's about the conspiracies that Elon is accused of tweeting about and uh Elon's comeback is well a lot of these conspiracies turn out to be true i.e Hunter Biden etc then he talks about Bellingcat.
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00:50:57.000You might be wondering when I'm next going to mention the Military-Industrial Complex.
00:51:02.000It's in a matter of seconds because I'm being joined by William Hartung, author of Prophets of War, Lockheed Martin, and the making of, yeah you guessed it guys, get ready for a drink, the Military-Industrial Complex.
00:51:13.000Hello there William, thanks so much for joining us.
00:51:48.000you. Hey, come on then. What's going on with the military industrial complex? Is it driven
00:51:52.000by greed and special interests or is it driven by national security and a desire to protect
00:51:57.000the good people of America? Well, it hides behind the rhetoric of national security,
00:52:03.000but it's basically a racket for picking the pockets of the taxpayers. Yes, that's interesting.
00:52:09.000The US is the world's largest arms dealer.
00:52:11.000How on earth have we arrived in a position where the most powerful nation on earth facilitates arms sales, even delivering them in some cases?
00:52:19.000Which is the worst of all of the arms dealing companies and why?
00:52:24.000Well, it's kind of a toss-up between Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.
00:52:27.000They created the bombs that have killed thousands of civilians in Yemen.
00:52:37.000Some of the most repressive regimes in the world, even as they try to dress themselves up as some sort of arsenal of democracy, they're actually an arsenal of dictatorships.
00:52:54.000The asset list for the interview with William.
00:52:57.000It'd be good if I just give me those things so that at the top of it says William Hartung and then it's a list of the assets and questions in one place on one sheet so I can conduct these things with the professionalism our guest deserves.
00:53:08.000So the world's largest dance producing companies are listed there and by far and away Lockheed Martin is the greater.
00:53:15.000What do you think is the relationship between those kind of sales and their donation strategy to save the Democrat party but also the Republican party and the expenditure on lobbying, William?
00:53:30.000I mean, there's some members of Congress who tried to cut off sales to Yemen, to the Philippines, other places, but the industry gave $83 million to Congress in the last two election cycles.
00:53:42.000They have 820 lobbyists, which is more than there are members of Congress.
00:53:48.000There's actually three or four peace lobbyists, so it's obviously not a fair fight.
00:53:53.000Um, and they hire former government officials to lobby for them.
00:53:56.000And also the for the last five U. S. Secretary of Defense came from weapons companies like Raytheon, Boeing and General Dynamics.
00:54:05.000So this is revolving door that goes both ways and people profit on both sides of the equation.
00:54:12.000While we pull up this Eisenhower quote, could you tell me about peace lobbyists, how they're funded and what their role is?
00:54:19.000Although, of course, I can ascertain to a degree what it might be from their name.
00:54:23.000Well, most of them are funded by individuals.
00:54:27.000There's groups like the Friends Committee on National Legislation.
00:54:32.000You know, they're fighting to reduce Pentagon spending, to cut nuclear spending, to get us out of some of these wars.
00:54:41.000But it's an uphill fight, both, I think, because of ideology and because of just the sheer force of money on the other side.
00:54:51.000Enoch Powell, who is often credited with inspiring much of the right-wing and ethno-nationalist rhetoric that prevails to this day, once said of Britain, you cannot have Britain without a monarchy.
00:55:04.000Britain is fundamentally and essentially a monarchy.
00:55:07.000Once you abolish the monarchy, you no longer have Britain.
00:55:12.000Do you think the same could be said of the United States of America and the military-industrial complex?
00:55:18.000Is war so integral to the economic model of the United States of America that it's unthinkable to rid America of this institution?
00:55:29.000Well, it's not a huge part of the economy, but it's politically wired because they give money to the members of Congress who decide how much to spend on the Pentagon.
00:55:39.000They spread their jobs all over the country.
00:55:41.000They have lobbying, they have advertising, they are involved in government missions that define what the so-called threats are.
00:55:48.000So it's kind of a political stranglehold.
00:55:51.000I mean, we could build another kind of economy, but it would be a heavy lift because of all these political interconnections.
00:55:59.000What's the Quincy Institute that you're there representing, William?
00:56:05.000We're a trans-partisan, meaning we're not affiliated with the other party.
00:56:10.000We work with people across the spectrum.
00:56:12.000And our basic thrust is end endless wars, more diplomacy.
00:56:17.000And in this climate, That's a surprisingly controversial stance.
00:56:22.000Shouldn't be, but in many quarters it is, unfortunately.
00:56:25.000Do you find that different conflicts have different inflections to the two parties?
00:56:33.000Specifically, when speaking about diplomacy ending the current Russia-Ukraine conflict, do you find that that's been batted back a lot by Democratic representatives and with the escalations of tensions between the US And China regarding Taiwan and semiconductors that the Republican Party seem to be agitating for conflict.
00:56:50.000Are both parties in the business of war and are there inflections and accents within that?
00:57:00.000There's more Republicans critical of army Ukraine than there are Democrats, although some progressive Democrats are at least pushing diplomacy.
00:57:08.000On the other hand, I think both parties are fairly hawkish about China, unfortunately, at this point, which is kind of the driver of these huge Pentagon budgets, which are moving towards a trillion dollars a year, if we don't stand in the way and try to stop that.
00:57:23.000Do you think that we can learn anything other than certain economic affiliations from the way that they perceive these conflicts?
00:57:31.000Is there anything to be gleaned from the distinctions that you just outlined?
00:57:37.000Well, I think the people who are on the take, who get the campaign contributions, who have the weapons factories in their districts, tend to be pro-war on either side of the aisle.
00:57:49.000And the ones who are less bound by that tend to be free to be more critical.
00:57:54.000if I could just pass over to my colleague Gareth Roy who has an inquiry for you now.
00:57:58.000Hi William, sorry about the little noise there.
00:58:08.000I'm really interested in the way in which I guess calling for diplomacy, I guess with the current situation with Russia and Ukraine, has become an issue that is now hard to talk about even seemingly on the left.
00:58:25.000We kind of know the ways in which The military-industrial complex kind of seems to donate equally to both parties.
00:58:33.000We know that lobbyists, I think three, I think it's something like three quarters of lobbyists have been previously members of the government.
00:58:41.000It's all tied up massively to make sure that these increased Pentagon budgets keep going, that money keeps filtering through to the military-industrial complex, and yet Talking about this, raising this as a possibility as to why war is continued seems to be pushed over to the fringes to the kind of almost like conspiracy theorists now to be raising these issues that used to be a left-wing talking point and I wondered what your thought is on how that has happened and maybe the influence that potentially the military industrial complex has had on that?
00:59:16.000Well, I think the Russian invasion has just thrown everything up in the air in terms of positions on the left and right.
00:59:23.000But what interests me is not only is the complex getting tens of billions of dollars for arming Ukraine, but of course, they push for NATO expansion in the 90s and have been selling US weapons all over Europe since then.
00:59:37.000And they're trying to say, well, Ukraine shows we need more weapons, we need to Moving faster, we need to build up, supersize the military industrial complex.
00:59:46.000So they're seizing this moment to try to get all kinds of favors that they've wanted for years.
00:59:52.000And much of this is not going to even affect Ukraine, it's just going to line the pockets of the contractors.
00:59:59.000Hey William, we've got a great question here from Achela in our chat.
01:00:03.000She says, is POTUS really the commander-in-chief when it comes to the matters of war, or is the real commander-in-chief the person who commands the POTUS?
01:00:16.000Well, I think he's restrained in many ways by the political climate and the military industrial complex helps to set that climate.
01:00:25.000So, you know, for example, there was a commission that talked about how we weren't spending enough on the Pentagon.
01:00:32.000And that commission was appointed by Congress.
01:00:35.000More than half the members were consultants to the military industry, executives of the military industry, think tanks funded by the military industry.
01:00:44.000So they have great power in shaping the parameters of debate, of shaping the environment in Congress.
01:00:51.000So if we had a president who wanted to end every war right now, they'd be up against all that, you know, that kind of political wall they'd have to get over.
01:01:02.000When you're engaged in matters that seem intractable like this, how does it affect your personal morality and your personal hope?
01:01:13.000Do you feel drained occasionally by the scale of your task?
01:01:19.000How do you feel that this will evolve and develop, the issue of trying to curtail military expenditure and agitation for unnecessary wars?
01:02:03.000I mean, you know, we're up against it and it's their powerful interests and they've been, you know, getting their way in terms of money, in terms of profiting from wars and so forth.
01:02:13.000But on the other hand, I feel a great sense of mission to try to put out alternative information and that is energizing.
01:02:40.000There's, you know, you get emails, you get when you have debates, people try to, you know, pin you as pro-Putin and so forth.
01:02:50.000But I think the best way to go at it is just to dismiss that as ridiculous and, you know, make the arguments you need to make and not let it affect you.
01:03:00.000Do you want us to send you some encouraging emails solely for the purpose of boosting your morale?
01:03:06.000So when you open your laptop tomorrow, it'll be like loads of them, like going, yeah, go on, William!
01:03:12.000William Hartung, using a new nickname we've developed for you, William Hartung Baby, from the name of the U2 album, deluging you with praise, sometimes bordering on sycophancy and hysteria, just to put some pep in your step as you begin your day tomorrow.
01:03:27.000Well, I think, you know, if people went to our YouTube page, I would be thrilled, because I'm represented there at Quincy INST.
01:03:45.000As long as you can wear some sunglasses and then decades into your career claim it's for an eye condition, you are overqualified for the business.
01:03:55.000Alright, so you can listen to William's new album, Ha Tong Baby, on his YouTube page, which is, what's it called again, William?
01:04:16.000Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex.
01:04:19.000You think Lockheed Martin is the worst one?
01:04:22.000Have they not made anything that's good, like a telescope or something?
01:04:27.000Well, the most corrupt company in the history of the military industrial complex, in terms of cost overruns, bribery, overcharging, selling to dictatorships, getting the government to subsidize their mergers.
01:04:42.000So they're kind of a model of what not to do in terms of a responsible corporation, if there is such a thing.
01:04:51.000I chose them for my book because they're kind of a case study In the development of that complex, and it's growing power, they, you know, get more money a year in many years than the whole State Department.
01:05:07.000They probably get as much money as the whole military budget when I gave his military industrial complex speech.
01:05:14.000So he couldn't have dreamed this kind of money and power, you know, when when he was raising the alarm about this in the early 1960s.
01:05:23.000Zypher2000 said we need an antitrust breakup.
01:05:29.000Nodagonoko says Prophets of Profit would be a good title as well for the first book, but, you know, using the different spellings of it.
01:05:37.000But Nogadonoko did earlier say that he was going to move into Gareth's house without first asking permission.
01:05:44.000So I don't know if we want him in a brainstorm, do we, when it comes to titles?
01:05:55.000William, I feel that we've had a nice time together and I would like very much if you'd come on our show again and next time I would look at the contrasts between the backdrop and your shirt and think very carefully.
01:06:07.000Put aside some of the stubbornness that you're deploying in, ironically, your war against the military-industrial complex And simply wear something, possibly lemon or tangerine.
01:06:19.000Just think of limey fruits and think of me and Gareth.
01:06:22.000Either that or a lime background with a shirt.
01:08:13.000A new shirt and a new background, you're right Firegirl, that is what needs to happen.
01:08:17.000Okay, listen, I'd say you enjoyed that interview, but some people are saying that I was projecting my own emotional and mental instability upon the guest, which is almost like the leper's bell of a bad broadcaster.
01:09:33.000Remember, in July, we do a live event that you can attend on tomorrow's show.
01:09:40.000Ahmed Jalili is coming on talking about the protests in Iran which I don't know enough about other than it's like a movement that began around sort of feminist issues and women's rights and sort of dress code and sharia.
01:09:54.000I don't know enough but after I speak to Ahmed Jalili tomorrow We're gonna know a lot more.
01:11:19.000It really scared me, because it was like, they don't care if you negotiate, they don't care if you agree with them, don't care if you appease them, they're just going to carry on doing that.
01:11:27.000But then, what happened was, is a relatively aggressive cough, and they fell eerily silent.
01:11:33.000Yeah, didn't stop the FBI spying on 100,000 Americans in, you know, they'll have gone, we're spying on ISIS!