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00:54:49.000Here is Tulsi Gabbard talking personally about Where the lawmakers interface with the lawbreakers and the lawbenders.
00:54:58.000It's Tulsi Gabbard on the lobbying industry.
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00:55:27.000Here now is Tulsi Gabbard talking directly about her experiences with the lobbying industry and just look at how she recalls almost with sort of a nostalgic pang the strangeness of knowing how government really works.
00:55:40.000Something we've known for a little while but it's always good to have insider information, isn't it?
00:55:47.000Having spent a good number of years within the system, do you have anything that you can share with us about the actual practical abilities of a man like Joe Biden?
00:55:59.000Because someone like me, who's just anti-establishment in the most broad and sweeping way, would assume that whoever were in the White House, whether it was a socially capable individual like Barack Obama or George W. Bush, who at the time was kind of regarded, you know, attacked as being a kind of a dope and a joke and stuff like that.
00:56:21.000I wonder how much actual executive power is wielded by a figure like Joe Biden.
00:56:28.000And the recent claim that he speak only in soundbites and do less PR and much short speeches seems to be an indication that they're acknowledging his senescence and cognitive decline.
00:56:41.000What's your feeling about this man who once was a sort of a pretty potent firebrand, albeit a career congressperson and seemingly pretty corrupt in a bunch of ways based on what I've learned.
00:57:04.000And over time, we've seen how, and this is something that Congress has either allowed to happen or willingly executed, which is an increase of a transfer of power away from the legislative branch and into the executive branch, into the hands of the White House and the President of the United States.
00:57:24.000It's an unfortunate thing because our system of governance, of course, is set up with three co-equal branches of government.
00:57:31.000But on the issue of war and peace, for example, we've seen that the last, uh, we have been in many wars and many conflicts, and yet Congress has not exercised its constitutional responsibility to be the body that actually declares war before that action can take place.
00:57:48.000They've given that over to the president and the executive branch because they don't want to be held responsible for it.
00:57:56.000This administration, the Biden administration, there are certainly challenges.
00:58:02.000There are certainly questions about his state of mind and his ability to be present and focused in the decisions that are being made.
00:58:12.000But ultimately, I hold him responsible.
00:58:15.000I have no doubt about the fact that he is surrounded by people who have They're handing him the note cards and they're shaping the
00:58:33.000There's no doubt about it, but he was elected as president of the United States.
00:58:37.000He is making the decision to run for re-election.
00:58:40.000He is the person that we as American voters must hold responsible for the decisions that are being made and the very dangerous consequences of those policies.
00:58:51.000We are continually invited to regard the haunting and ghoulish figure of Donald Trump as a kind
00:59:00.000of reincarnation of the militaristic despotism that blighted the 20th century.
00:59:08.000But it's my belief, Tulsi, that what we are sliding into is a new kind of technological
00:59:15.000dictatorship, a despotism that is kind of, that bears the aesthetic of bureaucracy, that
00:59:22.000owes more to Kafka and to Huxley and Orwell than Hitler or Stalin.
00:59:28.000Through the increasing power of the censorship industrial complex, through the ability to
00:59:33.000shut down protests, through the ability to shut down free speech, smear political dissidents
00:59:39.000and opponents, use the judiciary as a tool of weaponry, shut down the campaigns of active
00:59:45.000political opponents, whether it's through censorship or lawfare.
00:59:49.000Seems to me that the thing that we are being instructed to fear in the form of Donald Trump is already upon us in the form of this technocratic, yet technological, dictatorship.
01:00:09.000The evidence backs it up, and it's a very intentional, strategic move for the Democrat elite's narrative to be warning the American people, saying crazy things like, if you vote for Donald Trump, if he is allowed to win this election, it'll be the last election the United States ever has.
01:00:28.000That he will be the dictator in chief, painting this dark, bleak picture that you've just outlined when the facts and the evidence show that they have already created this.
01:00:40.000They are weaponizing our public institutions.
01:00:43.000They're using the Department of Justice and law enforcement to go after their major political opponent in Donald Trump, but also going after our fellow Americans.
01:00:51.000You know, when President Biden said, you know, over half the country, I think he said 76 million voters in America are MAGA extremists and they pose this greatest threat, domestic threat to our democracy.
01:01:05.000He painted a target on the backs of tens of millions of Americans who voted against him and for the other guy, voted for Donald Trump.
01:01:14.000And President Biden spoke to the country saying they are the greatest threat we face.
01:01:18.000When you look at the kind of implications that has on our society and you look at the reality that parents are getting arrested for going to Board of Education meetings and standing and very passionately speaking about their child's education or their fear and anger around the fact that their gentleman in Loudoun County in Virginia, where I happen to be today, he stood up and his daughter was sexually assaulted by a boy who claimed to be a girl in the girl's bathroom.
01:01:46.000And instead of the school and the Board of Education actually doing something about it and holding this kid and his family responsible for this, they quietly transferred him to another school without saying anything, without telling the parents of this girl who was sexually assaulted.
01:02:03.000Within a very short period of time, this boy went on to sexually assault another girl in the girl's bathroom, even as he claimed to be now a girl.
01:02:12.000There are so many examples of how Donald Trump is the face of this figure who is being targeted.
01:02:21.000They are throwing everything but the kitchen sink, trying to tie him up in court, drain him of time and money and resources, smear his character, put out this narrative that they hope will cause voters to turn away from him and throw up their hands and say, well, I guess Joe Biden's the only option.
01:02:53.000It is the administrative state, many layers down, who are executing And the dangerous thing is they're doing this in the name of democracy.
01:03:03.000They're telling us we have to do this to save democracy.
01:03:06.000They are so terrified of free people in a free society getting the information wherever we want to get it, discerning that information and making up our own decisions, particularly as it relates to this upcoming election, that they're trying to get Donald Trump off the ballot.
01:03:25.000That over 32 states tried to unilaterally remove Donald Trump from the ballot, so we wouldn't even have the choice to vote for him.
01:03:31.000And their excuse for that is essentially, well, we are trying to save our democracy.
01:03:36.000We are too afraid of voters making the quote-unquote wrong choice in this election that we have to undermine and destroy our democracy in order to save it.
01:03:47.000Save it from the American people from actually exercising our freedom.
01:03:51.000That's how twisted their mindset is, and it paints that picture of exactly where we will go as a country if they're allowed to do this and get away with it.
01:04:03.000And it creates that certainty for me and for others paying attention.
01:04:10.000If they're allowed to stay in power, this country that I love, that we love, will be gone.
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01:05:59.000Yes, I understand that you're saying that we already face a far greater threat and many
01:06:07.000people point to the four years that Trump has already had in office and his record on
01:06:13.000war and a variety of other issues as indicators that the level of polarisation and hysteria
01:06:21.000...are somewhat unwarranted, at least on the basis of empirical evidence.
01:06:25.000You've referred to the culture war and the significant power and disruption that are caused around a variety of issues.
01:06:34.000You mentioned the issues around gender and how that plays out culturally.
01:06:40.000One thing I thought that was interesting that Trump said when referring to abortion, and this caused a degree of controversy, was that he would leave it to individual states.
01:06:53.000I took that to mean that decentralization and federalism could be part of the solution
01:06:58.000to this increasing polarization, this growing contempt between people on both sides of the
01:07:03.000aisle, even though you are an indicator that those taxonomies are starting to melt with
01:07:08.000positions that previously have been attributed to one party now migrating, the issue of free
01:07:14.000speech, the issue of war being but two of the issues that have altered.
01:07:19.000And they continue to flip and change as protests in the colleges currently around matters in
01:07:25.000the Middle East demonstrate and reflect.
01:07:27.000I wonder, given that it's unlikely that post the November elections, we're unlikely to
01:07:34.000see a happy and gracious succession of power.
01:07:41.000Do you feel that federalism and decentralization may at least in part hold the solution to
01:07:47.000what seem to be pretty seismic problems in your country.
01:07:53.000And it's something that I've seen throughout my time serving in Congress and have understood how destructive it has been and counterproductive at best it's been when you have this big brother, big government overreach into into our lives, into our schools, and into our communities.
01:08:18.000And going back again and looking at the Federalist Papers, looking at the thoughts and the intent behind our country's founder's vision as they crafted our founding documents, it really was.
01:08:32.000Our Constitution speaks to the very real limitations of government, federal government, And it's intent that power be decentralized really to the lowest level possible where people know their communities.
01:08:45.000My home state of Hawaii is vastly different from California or New York or Montana or Texas or Florida.
01:08:52.000Every state has its own unique culture, has its own unique constituency.
01:09:00.000And best able to impact decisions that are made, important policy decisions that are made when they're made at the lowest level.
01:09:09.000We have this deep loathing that many of us feel for institutional political figures and lawmakers from across the spectrum because of the assumption that they are investing in stocks and shares that they have the ability to regulate and therefore benefit from.
01:09:25.000The assumption that companies like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon wield incredible power over American foreign policy, including the participation in wars that simply wouldn't happen if a more diplomatic perspective were allowed to thrive, or even, let's face it, a more democratic or representative perspective.
01:09:50.000Are there, like, points where you feel like, well, I know this, that this bill's likely to be passed, I should buy some stocks in Lockheed Martin?
01:09:57.000Or are there, like, what's lobbying like on the ground?
01:10:25.000One of the first things that happened is every member of Congress, you get elected, you go through what they call orientation briefings.
01:10:32.000And first they happen in a bipartisan sense where you have Democrats and Republicans, you go and sit in a room and, you know, you get a brief on ethics, the ethics rules, you get a brief on, you know, here's how the process works, you get briefs on here's the big issues of the day.
01:10:48.000that you should be somewhat educated on, kind of a 101 introduction.
01:10:52.000And then they break us off into two different places and rooms and buses.
01:10:57.000Democrats go one way, the Republicans go the other way.
01:11:00.000And the briefings that I got as a new Democrat in Congress at the end of 2012, sworn in early 2013, were very much the same as those that my Republican colleagues got in a few distinct ways.
01:11:11.000Number one is, I remember they had a PowerPoint slide up showing how your average day would look.
01:11:20.000I got to find that image because I remember capturing a picture with my phone.
01:11:24.000But the predominant amount of time, hours in the day, spent lobbying or spent at fundraisers with lobbyists or on the phone calling lobbyists and asking for money was the majority of the day.
01:11:39.000Really, so the amount of time you spent in your committees doing policy work or on the House floor for votes, On average, let's say it's four or five hours a day.
01:11:47.000The rest of the day you are spending fundraising.
01:11:51.000I went and I saw, okay, go to two different fundraising breakfasts every morning.
01:11:57.000You'll sit around a table with a bunch of lobbyists, and you talk about different issues or whatever, and you leave with a bunch of envelopes with political campaign contributions.
01:12:06.000And then on average, a member of Congress will go and have one or two lunches.
01:12:11.000And then you'll probably go and have another fundraising dinner on any given day of the week and make sure you go in and pop in and make sure that, you know, get those phone calls to make sure that people show up to the next days of fundraisers.
01:12:22.000And this is how people raise tens of millions of dollars all in the course of a day's work.
01:12:30.000I saw this, I experienced it when I first got there, and I was just like, man, this is wrong.
01:12:55.000And one of my friends, who is a lobbyist for a renewable energy industry, She told me, she said, oh, wow, you're not taking any more money from lobbyists?
01:13:16.000I talked to some grassroots organizers who were working on different issues who came and visited me and they said, oh my gosh, Tulsi, you stopped taking lobbyist money and PAC money.
01:13:28.000You must obviously be running for president.
01:13:31.000And it was just a funny contrast that happened in the course of a couple of days between the Washington insider perception, which is you will never go anywhere in politics unless you take our money.
01:13:43.000And the opposite coming from people who were like, you know, the $5, $10 donations, the small dollar donations to support the candidate that they like going out and knocking on doors and making phone calls, joining the cause of actually bringing about grassroots change.
01:13:58.000And their perception was exactly the opposite.
01:14:00.000Like, Oh, thank God you don't have anything to do with those, those corrupt Washington insiders.
01:14:05.000Uh, it is the power of the people who will prevail.
01:14:10.000I want to talk about the stocks because this is a big one.
01:14:18.000To answer your question directly, I never sat there and looked at a vote coming up and saying, hmm, I wonder how Microsoft is going to react to this vote.
01:14:26.000Let me go and buy some Microsoft stock.
01:14:30.000I went in knowing that perception is reality and I did not do any stock trading at all of any sort for the eight years that I was in Congress.
01:14:40.000Because whether or not they are acting on insider information or it's just some happy coincidence that they buy a million dollars of stock that magically goes up 200% within the next week when a vote is taken, it doesn't really matter because perception is reality.
01:14:58.000Members of Congress, elected leaders are held and should be held to a higher standard and should not be in that position where there's even a perception that you are Acting in your own self-interest.
01:15:11.000So I introduced legislation when I was in Congress that would have prohibited a member of Congress, their spouse, or their senior staff, their chief of staff from trading in any stocks because you have access to information that the public does not have whether you're acting on it or not.
01:15:30.000Perception is reality and it's just wrong.
01:15:39.000I've seen those memes that people put out that show different members of like what their net worth was when they started and obviously the longer they're there the more wealthy they become and they're no longer really truly representing the interests of the people.
01:16:04.000If you're watching this on YouTube, click the link in the description because Mike Benz is coming up.
01:16:10.000Mike Benz will explain to us, like never before, how the deep state operates.
01:16:15.000No one that I've met, certainly, has a deeper and clearer understanding on how deep state architecture meets with NGOs and the cartilage of power.
01:16:25.000Organizations often funded by governments that spy on citizens and facilitate extraordinary global business deals.
01:16:32.000Things that we think of as just being like normal, like Google.
01:16:35.000Anyway, click the link in the description.
01:16:37.000Okay, let's have a look at Mike Benz, then we'll go over to Steve Bannon.
01:16:41.000Now, Mike Benz, he talks about how the deep state agencies are able to influence and manipulate companies to do their... I mean, I'm going to use the phrase dirty work.
01:16:51.000Google is ubiquitous and seemingly innocuous.
01:16:54.000Even the name Google suggests that nothing nefarious could be happening.
01:16:57.000But when you learn how Google was founded, how it's funded, and what its function might actually be, you'll never look at that sweet little search engine the same way again.
01:17:10.000Could you talk us through the inception of big tech and social media, because it's impossible to think that anything could be that powerful without the involvement of the powers you describe, how the somewhat innocent Weisner's Wurlitzer has become the Zuckerberg, Zoetrope, or whatever it is we're confronted with now, as big tech co-mingles with this kind of power, and how what you've told us the history, how has it evolved into the technological age and become more powerful?
01:17:41.000Starting perhaps with the relationships between big tech, social media, and the deep state, please.
01:17:47.000So let's get to the origins of Google.
01:17:49.000So, you know, there's a funny story about the Internet, because when you're referring to big tech, we're talking about the big tech Internet companies, primarily here, you know, so like Google.
01:18:00.000And, you know, they're all based on the Internet.
01:18:03.000And the Internet was created by the American military in order to manage the American empire.
01:18:09.000It was created by DARPA in the 1960s in order to digitize and be able to quickly share within the military All of the social science research that was being funded by the Eisenhower administration and the Kennedy administration to be able to do anthropological and social science research, the reams of academic work that the military was paying academics to produce on foreign populations who were posing insurgency concerns to U.S.
01:18:39.000installed dictators in different regions or to U.S.
01:19:13.000In fact, during these sort of anti-Vietnam protests at MIT, you can even look for this if you run a search for this on your favorite search engine, they were revolting against what they called the Octoputer.
01:19:28.000The idea that the computer and this DARPA-funded internet was going to be used as a world-spanning octopus power for the military to control other countries, other countries that student groups were accusing of being subject to U.S.
01:19:45.000Now, what happened was in 1991, the World Wide Web rolls out and DARPA turns over the internet to the National Science Foundation and projects that through a bunch of universities to make it publicly available for commercial use.
01:20:02.000But the other side of this is that it was being used for soft power projection.
01:20:06.000See, at the start, when I was describing Wisner's Wurlitzer, The CIA created a bunch of proprietary media organizations like Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia.
01:20:33.000And that was a very easy thing to do when there were only a couple of different radio frequencies available in that country, or that country wasn't producing its own native content, its own native TV content.
01:20:46.000As other countries caught up to us in the other modalities of media, soft power, you know, competition, the promise of the new internet for the State Department, the military, and the CIA was that this would be sort of like a new radio, a new TV, a new Voice of America, a new channel where America had first mover advantage because it was all the American internet.
01:21:14.000And so, right away, as soon as the internet came out, DARPA commissioned a program called the Massive Digital Data Systems Program.
01:21:24.000And the Massive Digital Data Systems Program was a joint project of the NSA and the CIA in order to track how, quote, birds of a feather flock together online.
01:21:35.000And their goal was to create what they refer to as a early warning political radar system to be able to track how political groups around the world were rising and falling and how they were congregating together.
01:21:48.000On the Internet, because in web 1.0, you had you had web forums and you had.
01:21:57.000You had these static web pages, and so you could track what groups in country X were accessing or maintaining these websites, and you could use that to draw a network map of an entire political movement that you either wanted to run CIA support to, or you wanted the CIA to crush through counterinsurgency.
01:22:19.000And part of this involved tracking search results through the early search engines that were created to be able to navigate this new Internet.
01:22:28.000And this is where Google comes into the picture.
01:22:31.000In 1995, Larry Page and Sergey Brin are PhD students at Stanford, and their PhD is being sponsored, essentially, by DARPA.
01:22:42.000They had a DARPA grant to do this search engine aggregation work.
01:22:47.000And that DARPA grant meant that they were reporting to their grant administrator, which was ultimately the CIA and the NSA.
01:22:55.000They would then take this work that they got the CIA-NSA grant to do to form a company called Google in 1998.
01:23:05.000So right from the outset, Google was a military and CIA and statecraft, you know, Let's say dual-use technology, shall we say.
01:23:15.000And even all of Google's first-mover advantages were based on this.
01:23:21.000Google quickly came out with very innovative product sets, like Google Maps.
01:23:25.000You know, a sort of first-of-its-kind ability to be able to just plug in an address and know how to get there, or go anywhere on Earth and zoom in on it.
01:23:33.000Well, Google didn't just, you know, brainiacs sitting in a garage, you know, come up with the code for that.
01:23:41.000They got Google Maps by purchasing the CIA's keyhole satellite software.
01:23:47.000So, it was the CIA's spy satellite software that is the only reason Google got Google Maps.
01:24:00.000How Google's global operations work is based on this as well.
01:24:03.000So one of the reasons that censorship set in across Google search results and across YouTube is because of a fundamental restructuring of how Google operated beginning after the 2016 US presidential election.
01:24:17.000Started a little bit before that with the story of a guy named Jared Cohen.
01:24:22.000So let's just take a step back and look at the history of social media.
01:24:25.000You had Facebook in 2004, YouTube in 2005, Twitter in 2006, Smartphone in 2007.
01:24:35.000In 2007, a young kid named Jared Cohen arrives at the inner sanctum of the State Department, a place called the Policy Planning Staff.
01:24:45.000As I mentioned in my sort of opening salvo, the iceberg of American diplomacy has overt
01:24:54.000policies and strategies from the State Department and covert from the CIA.
01:25:01.000They together form a united front of U.S. diplomacy, which means the dirty tricks from
01:25:06.000the covert side have to be constantly synchronized with the overt actions of the State Department.
01:25:12.000If you're trying to regime change the country's government, the State Department has to know
01:25:16.000that and know exactly what's going on when they send a delegation to that foreign country's
01:25:21.000government for their demands or what they want.
01:25:24.000That synchronization process happens at the policy planning staff.
01:25:28.000That's that inner cell within the State Department that coordinates the CIA and the State Department.
01:25:33.000And this is a place that's normally occupied by the sort of wise old men, 50, 60, 70 year old, you know, fuddy-duddies.
01:25:41.000Jared Cohen got there at about the age 25, 26.
01:25:45.000Young kid, but he was brought on by the Bush administration because he had created something called movements.org and he was embedded basically from his late teen years into the highly volatile youth movements that were being essentially sponsored by the by the CIA in Middle East North Africa in these conflict zones.
01:26:06.000And because it's so important He was brought in as essentially a young guy who's hip to what the kids are doing these days so that that could be folded into American statecraft for how best to exploit those young people.
01:26:30.000And what Jared Cohen did is he gets in around 2006-2007 and he looks around at these older guys and he says, What are we doing formulating CIA activities out of U.S.
01:26:47.000All the groups we want to mobilize are on Facebook, they're on Twitter, they're on YouTube.
01:26:53.000We need a doctrine of digital statecraft.
01:26:56.000Statecraft 2.0 To be able to run intelligence operations using social media.
01:27:03.000And this became the absolute talk of the town of Washington and he became an overnight celebrity with this concept.
01:27:11.000He was considered so valuable to not just the Bush administration and Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State there, as a Republican appointee, but his work was considered so vital.
01:27:24.000That he was kept over by the Democrats when Barack Obama won the 2008 election and Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State.
01:27:32.000This is extremely unusual in Washington, let me tell you, when a political appointee is kept over from the next administration.
01:27:41.000And so he then was effectively credited with starting the Arab Spring, which was a State Department and CIA sponsored series of Facebook and Twitter revolutions stretching from Tunisia to Egypt, which were said to be the sort of high point of digital democracy when when.
01:27:59.000Hashtags and Facebook groups were used to coordinate tens of millions of people to take to the streets to overthrow governments that were deemed to be hostile to U.S.
01:28:25.000But he goes over and basically stuns the Beltway crowd by moving in 2010 to a tiny little one-person non-profit within a mid-sized tech company called Google.
01:28:40.000At the time in 2010, Google was only ranked number 120 by market cap.
01:28:46.000They were not even a top 100 sized company in 2010.
01:28:52.000He was poached by Google, as the story goes, in order to sit in a room all day, stare at a white wall, and think by himself about all the creative ways that Google could use its proprietary data and resources to solve complex geopolitical problems.
01:29:10.000Julian Assange would later term this moment, term this transition, the moment that Google became the shadow State Department.
01:29:17.000And this came out in Stratford documents and Wikileaks when, you know, basically CIA contractors were openly speculating that Jared Cohen's move from policy planning staff at State to Google was a way to synchronize what the CIA was doing with Google resources.
01:29:32.000Now, this becomes very important to the Internet censorship story because this one person think tank, Google Ideas, would later be rebranded Google Jigsaw.
01:29:40.000And Google jigsaw was initially doing sort of a lot of free speech tech work such so that dissident groups being backed by the CIA and State Department would be able to freely proliferate their media influence in regions where there's state control over media like Iran or like Egypt.
01:29:58.000But in 2016, Google Jigsaw took on a new power for censorship.
01:30:04.000Censorship of political movements that were giving rise to political, you know, to leaders like Donald Trump in the U.S., also on the left-wing populist side, like Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K., who were NATO-skeptical, all the different populist parties in Europe, in India, in Pakistan, in Japan, and so Google Jigsaw became this kind of CIA-intermediated censorship octopus, and it created what was essentially the world's first retail, what I call weapons of mass deletion, AI censorship superpowers to be able to scan and ban tens of millions of posts
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01:30:47.000internet by a toxicity score that can be used to automatically throttle it from
01:32:05.000My first response is you're going to be killed and you're going to get us all killed because that's too cogent and too clear and too plain.
01:32:17.000So, what I feel is that you've actually, you yourself, have provided what I asked for.
01:32:25.000The cartilage that demonstrates how the anatomy of the deep state not only is connected but is able to coherently move as a single And something like, as you described, the transition of Jared Cohen from working for successive administrations, where he's working with figures like Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton, right into sitting in a room staring at a wall like some extraordinary mystic.
01:32:56.000In fact, it's beyond a revolving door, isn't it, at that point?
01:33:01.000It's just one single, well as you say, blob.
01:33:06.000Now you've given me a pretty cohesive understanding and you've helped me to understand things like how when Lee Fang did some journalism on how myself and Greenwald and the guys at Greyzone are being subject to attacks by a CIA carve-out Operating out of Ukraine, like apparently independent Ukrainian media, that when you look into it the funding comes from the CIA.
01:33:34.000But now this has become so, so sophisticated and diffuse, sort of molecular I suppose is a way of describing it.
01:33:45.000Like yeah, like you say, a blob is good because it just It fills spaces, it moves around, it's difficult to locate a centre and I know that you could unpack a great deal there but I wanted to pivot slightly because you've helped me to understand to a degree the inception of those agencies, how they intersect with big tech in particular, internet and social media companies, search engines and in essence how that data, because I remember reading once in Legacy Media Mike,
01:34:12.000There was this magical moment after 9- there was a sort of, prior to 9-11, there was a moment where censorship, where people were like, internet privacy is a thing, but after 9-11, it's like, hey, we need that data to track terrorists.
01:34:23.000And Google sort of realized, oh, wow, we've got all of this information.
01:34:28.000And I recognize that that's probably some sort of counter narrative to sort of mask the fact that what's clearly happened from the point where the, you know, the proprietors and founders were PhD students, they were involved with the CIA.
01:34:44.000There's no way that anything of that scale, anything of that influence and power was ever beyond the purview and remit of the type of power that we're describing.
01:34:54.000Another thing I want to touch on, even though it's tangential, of course pick up anything that's been inspired by my response to your last announcement, was When people say like the, just take a few examples, that George Soros and Bill Gates are like actually evil, like you know with Bill Gates I can, I've got my own understanding, the significance of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, their influence over something like the WHO, their investment in vaccines, their acquisition of farmland, their misadventures in India and on the continent of Africa, when it comes to agriculture, their promotion of
01:35:35.000Synthetic foods, their odd intrusion into areas of legislature, health policy that doesn't seem right.
01:35:41.000I have a bit of an understanding when it comes to Bill Gates.
01:35:44.000Extraordinary that he's another person that's, you know, a tech giant and a tech entrepreneur and a billionaire and a philanthropist.
01:35:52.000I wonder, with George Soros, He was one of those figures I don't know much about, except when he's attacked people say, hey that's anti-semitic and it's conspiracy theory, I understand that he's a Jewish man.
01:36:04.000But pretty recently I heard that when the Clinton Foundation were over in Haiti, ostensibly helping Haiti in a way that in retrospect looks pretty clumsy, we're here to help you!
01:36:21.000And like the money was spent in all sorts of weird clumsy ways and even when you see video footage of a sort of a younger sleeker Hillary Clinton leading George Soros peculiarly through the wreckage of Haiti even though that's before many of their subsequent disasters You feel like, what's going on?
01:36:41.000So can you explain to us, when we, these figures that, you know, the defenders of, say there's nothing to worry about when it comes to Bill Gates, he's just a nice dude.
01:36:50.000Or George Soros, there's no problem there.
01:36:52.000I mean, I've heard, for example, that George Soros benefits in some way from the conflict between Ukraine and Russia with regard to oil.
01:37:03.000And I wonder if you could help me to understand it, please, Mike.
01:37:07.000Let's tie all this together with a comment that I think came from one of the questions on your locals at the start of this, which was, who does the blob work for?
01:37:19.000I forget how you teed that up in the beginning, but I almost think of it, you know, like that Austin Powers scene where he goes, who does number two work for?
01:37:38.000Because that's actually a great way to look at this because the execution arm of This transatlantic foreign policy blob is the State Department, the CIA, and the DOD, and its swarm army of tens of thousands of paid assets in the media and in the civil society and university realm and things like this.
01:38:00.000But they are essentially number two, if you will, working for a class above them who they have a revolving door relationship with, and which is really where people in government make their money and do favors for in order to make their own careers and be
01:38:18.000able to have their own, you know, put their own kids through private school education and
01:38:24.000And that is what I call the corporate and financial donor and drafter class.
01:38:28.000You might think of as a co-investor class. And before I delve into this, I'll start with a
01:38:33.000quick analogy from what I just mentioned with Jared Cohen, who I mentioned, you know, started
01:38:37.000at this, you know, started embedded in essentially CIA hot zones, organizing student groups, and then
01:38:42.000worked directly at the center of synchronizing CIA and State Department color revolutions on
01:38:48.000social media, then went directly to, you know, to Thank you.
01:38:53.000Google's essentially CIA branch, but what did Jared Cohen just do a few short years ago moved over from Google jigsaw to the macro economic, basically asset management branch of Goldman Sachs.
01:39:09.000He is now one of the highest ranking officials at Goldman Sachs.
01:39:13.000And so so he essentially, as you mentioned, you sort of referred him as a sort of mystic, you know, he wasn't just like a mystic, you know, sitting in a room staring at a white wall.
01:39:21.000He was a CIA back channel, a State Department back channel.
01:39:24.000Well, what he's essentially doing at Goldman Sachs is he's not a mystic, you know, forecasting what's what's going to rise and fall.
01:39:32.000In terms of economies or assets to invest in around the world, because he's got this State Department CIA back channel, he allows Goldman Sachs to do what's essentially insider trading at the most macro level.
01:39:44.000If you know that the military or the State Department or the CIA is going to overthrow a government or privatize an industry, You know, a trillion dollar industry in Venezuela or Ukraine that's owned by the state government, but now it's going to be privatized.
01:39:59.000So if you're an early investor in that, your investment is going to go to the moon.
01:40:06.000You have this corporate and financial overclass where there's a revolving door.
01:40:37.000In corporate terms, that is killing your profits if you're out in front.
01:40:42.000The ideal strategy in a bike race is to be right behind the person in front so that they do the work cutting the wind and you efficiently, with a much less amount of energy, get the same place and then you overtake that person at the end.
01:41:00.000And so what corporations do, and by proxy their financial equity and debt holders do, is they draft behind the blob, the government side of the blob.
01:41:12.000They draft behind the DoD, the War Department, the Pentagon.
01:41:16.000They draft behind... So, for example, when the military moves into Ukraine, they draft behind that.
01:41:23.000When the State Department goes in and threatens sanctions on a country so that it changes its terms of private enterprise or changes its labor laws to make it cheaper for... They draft behind the State Department.
01:41:35.000If the CIA is incubating a new emerging leadership class in a country who is going to be favorable to ExxonMobil there or Walmart there, Or an agriculture company there or a tech company there they draft behind that and they also serve as as co investors or donors into those projects because oftentimes it's not enough for just to have.
01:42:01.000US funded allocations to fund a war project or a foreign assistance project.
01:42:10.000Like for example, in Ukraine, there's a big issue about how much funding is enough to
01:42:16.000So part of what the State Department does is they go around to get co-investors in the
01:42:21.000project in the region so that Microsoft or Google will sort of like co-fund it and provide
01:42:27.000a top up to get the amount of money needed to do this initiative.
01:42:31.000And actually a great example of this is something like DIA, the DIA app in Ukraine.
01:42:35.000This is something that I think the Grayzone, as you mentioned, published a lot about.
01:42:39.000This is this digital ID system in Ukraine that Zelensky has made essentially mandatory for all Ukrainian people and it ties their digital identity to their bank account.
01:42:49.000It's basically the ultimate way to be able to manage a civilization, and it was created by USAID.
01:42:56.000USAID is the major funding organization that straddles the line between the State Department and the CIA.
01:43:06.000It essentially serves as an above-board, public-facing State Department adjacency That funnels the money that is used by the CIA.
01:43:16.000Essentially, when something gets USAID funding, it becomes an asset for our covert diplomacy.
01:43:21.000And so USAID funded the creation of this app in a partnership with Google, Visa, and American Express, I believe, were the two transaction companies.
01:43:32.000So Ukraine doesn't have its own sort of sophisticated IT architecture.
01:43:36.000The State Department, using its diplomacy arm, has now made mandatory the use of a system that Google profits from because it runs the architecture of DIA, and that Visa and American Express profit from because they process all the commercial transactions of now every citizen in Ukraine.
01:43:59.000So you now have a locked-in Government-backed cartel over every single person in Ukraine for both, you know, Amex and Google.
01:44:09.000And so this becomes a very powerful now when you look at who actually sits on the board of these CIA interstitial.
01:44:17.000So like let's take an example something called the National Endowment for Democracy is a classic example of this.
01:44:21.000So, in my first salvo here, I talked about how Wisner's Wurlitzer in the era of CIA control
01:44:29.000over media 1.0 was 1947 to 1975-1976, which is when the CIA would directly co-opt media
01:44:41.000organizations. And then this sort of went down in flames when it all came out in public hearings in
01:44:46.000in the Church Committee and Pike Committee hearings in 1975-1976.
01:44:50.000President Jimmy Carter, when he won as a Democrat in 1976, promised to put an end to that.
01:44:55.000He fired 30% of the CIA's operations branch in a single night and basically kneecapped the ability for the CIA to do this work directly.
01:45:04.000Reagan comes into office in 1980 and wants to revive the, you know, sort of full poisonous fang power of the CIA, but doesn't have the bipartisan support to ram this through Congress.
01:45:16.000And so Reagan's CIA director, Bill Colby, approaches the Reagan's Attorney General, the head of the Justice Department, and says, It was a it was a disaster when when media groups around the world were seen as being paid as funded by the CIA.
01:45:34.000So but what we can do though is if we set up a national endowment for democracy promotion and have that be.
01:45:42.000Formerly firewalled off from the CIA so that it looks like it's just coming from a public endowment.
01:45:50.000Actually, it's not even public, a private endowment.
01:45:53.000Then we'll be able to have the same capacities we had from the 1940s to the 1970s, but there won't be CIA fingerprints on it.
01:46:02.000We'll just back channel with the heads of the National Endowment for Democracy.
01:46:06.000And so there was a back and forth between the CIA director Bill Colby and And the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, where they came up with the structure that there would be a formal firewall, the National Endowment for Democracy would be a private, non-governmental organization, but that as long as there was Senate Intelligence Committee consent to it, the CIA would effectively direct their operations.
01:46:30.000And by the way, They're a private, non-governmental organization, but they're under the direct oversight of the House Foreign Affairs and Senate Foreign Relations Committees.
01:46:39.000They're a CIA cutout managed by the State Department.
01:46:43.000Now, the MED, if you look at who's on its board, it's the directors of all these companies.
01:46:49.000Their board of directors for the National Endowment for Democracy has members of the Officers and Directors of Google, Officers and Directors of Amex and Visa, Officers and Directors of Exxon and Chevron.
01:47:03.000A great example of this, actually, is in the run-up to the 2014 Maidan coup, the CIA State Department-sponsored overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
01:47:13.000Whether you agree with that or not, them's just the facts.
01:47:16.000Victoria Nuland actually gave that speech about how they successfully orchestrated this using $5 billion, $5 billion with a B, in State Department and USAID subsidies to the right-wing, right-sector groups in Ukraine who did this.
01:47:32.000She gave that speech bragging about that $5 million in U.S.
01:47:36.000financial sponsorship of the coup right at a conference that was right in front of Sponsored by Chevron, ExxonMobil, and Shell.
01:47:48.000And by the way, those are the exact companies who had invested in the oil and gas space in Ukraine.
01:47:56.000Chevron had signed in 2013 a $10 billion, again with a B, $10 billion partnership with Naftogaz, the Ukrainian state gas giant, which accounts for Overwhelming majority of Ukraine's national economic sector.
01:48:11.000Shell had signed a $10 billion, again, a matching $10 billion partnership with Naftogaz in Ukraine, again, with a B. So Halliburton had signed a deal with the Ukrainian government's Naftogaz in order to do all the oil and gas refining of the oil and gas base there.
01:48:29.000You know who held the rights to the Black Sea shale resources that were basically that were destroyed when Russia annexed Crimea,
01:48:39.000all the shale rights in the Black Sea Basin there, it was Burisma.
01:48:59.000That's the DNC branch of the NED, which is the CIA cutout created so that the CIA could run money without it having the formal fingerprints of the CIA during the CIA 2.0 restructuring.
01:49:12.000So Hunter Biden on the board of the CIA cutout, That CIA cutout, having on its board all the oil and gas co-investors, were then marshalling the CIA and the DOD, i.e.
01:49:29.000taxpayer funding, in order to prop up their investments in the region.
01:49:35.000And this same blueprint is replicated everywhere.
01:49:38.000And virtually every multinational corporation on Earth is playing this game and has to play this game to compete with others who are playing it.
01:49:47.000Steve Bannon is one of the most controversial political figures of the last 20 or 30 years.
01:49:52.000Was he the mastermind and architect of Trump's rise to power?
01:49:56.000Is he the true brain of the rise of the alt-right?
01:50:00.000And is it possible, if you're speaking to someone whose views are amenably so extreme, to find common ground?
01:50:06.000Well, perhaps if we talk about decentralising power, there is a possibility.
01:50:10.000Let's have a little conversation with Steve Bannon about how power operates, how it could operate, and indeed how it even should operate.
01:50:18.000Will you tell me, Steve, where you think populism is heading?
01:50:22.000If you think the left-right... I heard you once say at the Oxford Union that the future would belong to populism.
01:50:28.000Do you still believe that there's a chance of either left-wing or right-wing populism?
01:50:33.000Or do you feel that a different ideology is about to assert itself?
01:50:37.000And over the course of our conversation, I hope to get into all of those areas of which you have personal professional experience.
01:50:43.000I would say that if you go back and look at the Oxford Union speech, that was a pretty good call.
01:50:48.000Probably because the day was several years later, and it's right-wing populism and left-wing populism.
01:50:53.000I think the reason is that the oligarchs that particularly control the West, uh have been so over the top in their greed uh in their incompetence their greed and their incompetence that people are rising up all over you see that whether it's the collapse of the tory party in england the rise of uh alternatives for deutschland and germany the rise of the right in latin america central america and obviously the trump movement in the united states i think it's a combination of their greed and their incompetence the elites
01:51:22.000Have failed us and they failed themselves and it's a populist takeover and it's going to be determined whether it be right-wing populism or left-wing populism.
01:51:32.000And there yet remains a further alternative.
01:51:35.000I've heard you use the phrase techno-feudalism, and I think that's what many people, wherever they find themselves culturally or politically, fear, is that we're being guided, manipulated, maneuvered, in fact, into a new form of globalism where technological power is utilized to control consciousness, our understanding of the public sphere.
01:51:58.000To manipulate consent and communication.
01:52:02.000Can you tell me what you mean by techno-feudalism, how it relates to globalism, and who sits at the top of that baronial class in this model of feudalism?
01:52:13.000Well, if you go back even to the Oxford speech, I tell, I'm kind of calling out Younger people who have had a tendency just to vote for progressive neoliberalism, right, and really be led by the cultural side, that you're nothing but Russian serfs.
01:52:28.000You're the equivalent of Russian serfs.
01:52:29.000You don't own anything and you're not going to own anything.
01:52:32.000The triad that controls the deal is really what I call the easy money overlords of Wall Street or the City of London or Frankfurt or Tokyo, Shanghai, but particularly the City of London and Wall Street.
01:52:46.000Then you have the corporatists Both the American corporatists, but also the multinational corporatists.
01:52:51.000And on top of that, you've got what I call the sociopathic tech overlords.
01:52:56.000And right now, we basically have passed, I think, late-stage capitalism, what I would call finance capitalism.
01:53:05.000That was kind of the collapse in 2008.
01:53:06.000And you've seen the rise since then of what I call techno-feudalism, which is now we're basically going back to almost the Middle Ages in a feudal society where you're a digital serf, Right.
01:53:18.000You're essentially not going to own your own content.
01:53:23.000And as long as you don't come off of the being an indentured servant or being a serf, you can get along.
01:53:29.000But once you stray outside this and you saw a perfect example, and I think it was one of your great awakenings was during the pandemic of what you saw about what public health officials did and kind of the combination of big tech working with with big government and, of course, the biopharmaceutical industrial complex.
01:53:47.000That was a perfect example of techno-feudalism, and unless we start to break this by a democratic means, that means the ballot box and people getting very focused on after you have victories of how you start to take apart these apparatuses, then I think this world is really headed to a new dark age.
01:54:04.000You're right to a degree, Steve, that the pandemic period elicited and stirred in me, as well as obviously millions of people, a kind of awakening.
01:54:14.000Prior to that, I'd always been anti-establishment and had assumed that the position of the left was also anti-establishment, that the left was about free speech.
01:54:26.000The left was about opposing corruption and power.
01:54:29.000The left was about opposing war and empowering ordinary individuals, wherever we're from, Britain, France, your country, any of the African nations, to stand up and oppose tyranny, globalism, elitism, Clearly what's changed in the last few years, and I can't help but consider you to be a significant architect in this transition, is what you refer to as economic nativism has become the default position of the working class or blue-collar populations in America.
01:54:59.000When you talk of economic nativism, Steve, is that at odds with where I've elsewhere heard you talk about Catholicism, Christianity, subsidiarity, and ideas that are plainly, literally, both in terms of their nomenclature, but plainly their ideology, derived from spiritual ideas.
01:55:19.000How do these two opposing ideas sit together?
01:55:23.000Economic nativism, which, as the name would suggest, is about economics, and the idea that there is something we are aspiring to, that we are people of spirit, that there are values that transcend materialism and materialism in all its forms.
01:55:37.000There are the restrictions that rationalism necessarily... I can see your answers ready, Steve.
01:55:41.000I'm watching your body language, but I'm just gonna keep Talking!
01:55:46.000So tell me, ultimately, aren't you saying, let the market sort shit out, I don't really care about the Christianity, or are there real ideals behind this?
01:55:55.000No, I think, look, we're in a spiritual war, and I'm a Catholic, you know, Roman Catholic, Irish Catholic, and I'm, you know, as I try to be as close to my faith as possible, but obviously we're all imperfect instruments, I do believe in a form of that the United States is the New Jerusalem, and the United States is particularly endowed with a relationship to divine providence. I think we've had a very providential
01:56:23.000history. The economic nativism or nationalism is that I believe that strongly, though
01:56:28.000still the best system we have is the Westphalian system. The nation state was, as you know, was
01:56:33.000created a couple of hundred years ago, and that that sets it out into national units.
01:56:37.000And it's still until we come up with something different, it's still the best way for
01:56:42.000the working class and the middle class to have a shot. If some have what I call subsidiarity
01:56:46.000of through a grassroots effort trying to control to the best of their ability that
01:56:52.000national entity. Nationalism is to for the political leaders and the economic leaders to
01:56:58.000put the well-being of the citizen first, whatever that nation is, to put their economic well-being
01:57:14.000And I think the way Boris Johnson and the Tories implemented it was very imperfect.
01:57:19.000But you've seen this with the Trump program to try to confront China, but most importantly, confront China's financiers, which are in the United States.
01:57:26.000Private equity firms, hedge funds, Wall Street, to force them to a series of tariffs and economic confrontations to start to bring manufacturing jobs, particularly high value-added manufacturing jobs, back to the United States.
01:57:39.000So I would say economic nationalism is in the material realm, and of course Christian nationalism or these more spiritual yearnings are in the spiritual realm.
01:57:50.000And I do think we're in a spiritual war.
01:57:52.000I think at the end of the day this is a spiritual war between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.
01:57:58.000Thank you for joining me for our Deep State Spectacular.
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