Stay Free - Russel Brand - Faiz Shakir (Bernie Sander’s Advisor)

In this episode of You're Gonna See The Future, Tucker and JP are joined by Faz Shakir and Ron DeSantis to discuss why Joe Biden is the best choice to take on Donald Trump in 2020 and why he should be the first Democratic presidential candidate to debate him. They also discuss why Trump should have been sweating profusely during the Republican Debates and what the mainstream media will have to say about it. JP also reveals why he thinks Joe Biden will win the 2020 Democratic nomination and why it s a good idea for him to run against Hillary Clinton in 2020. And JP explains why he doesn't think Joe Biden should be running for President in 2020, and what he would do if he was the Democratic nominee. Plus, a special guest appearance from Jordan Peterson, who has been a regular guest on Ron De Santis' show on the Ron Deantis Show on The Ron Show, and who has some thoughts on Joe Biden's chances of winning the 2020 presidential election. You'll get to hear all of that and much more on the show hosted by Tucker, JP, Tucker, and JP. You'll also get exclusive news about Rumble, a new show exclusively on YouTube where you can watch the entire episode exclusively, starting now. Subscribe to see the full show on Rumble and all the newest episodes exclusively on YouTubers only on YouTube. If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be exclusively on Rumble in just 15 minutes, starting on YouTube in 15 minutes! and we'll have exclusive news and features starting on the next episode of the show on Monday, July 16th! Thanks for listening to the future, you're gonna see the Future, you'll get a whole lot more of the future. In this video, you can't ask for more like that! - JP and JP, you won't want to miss it. - the future's going to be better than that, right here, right? - The Future Is The Future? - You'll be able to watch it on You'll See the Future? - JP, the future is the whole thing, right where it's gonna be more than you'll be hearing about it, right there, right, no matter where you're going to get it? -- The Future is the real thing? - This is the future? - You're gonna get it, so much more than that? - That's what's the future will be like that, isn't it?

00:00:00.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

00:00:17.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:30.000 Hello there, you Awakening wonders.

00:00:32.000 It would be impossible for me to love you any more than I do right now.

00:00:35.000 You are the very vision of perfection, if you ask me.

00:00:38.000 We're going to be talking about Trump ignoring the Republican debates.

00:00:41.000 He's going to talk to Tucker instead, and we've got some exclusive news about Rumble.

00:00:45.000 But first of all, let's have a look at that moment where Trump got so hot and sweaty on the telly that he knew that it will be picked up by mainstream media.

00:00:55.000 And before we show you that, if you're watching us on YouTube right now,

00:00:57.000 we will be exclusively on Rumble in just 15 minutes, because we're going to speak so freely about Moderna and

00:01:05.000 all manner of other matters.

00:01:07.000 Tell me first, is he sweating profusely?

00:01:10.000 And does he correctly predict what the mainstream media's reaction will be?

00:01:13.000 Let's go with this clip.

00:01:14.000 And by the way, I want to say officially for the press, it's about 110 degrees in this room.

00:01:20.000 Nice job with the air conditioning, whoever.

00:01:22.000 But you know what the press will say?

00:01:25.000 You know what they'll say?

00:01:26.000 Trump didn't look well.

00:01:28.000 He was extremely wet.

00:01:31.000 It's 104 or 5 degrees in this room, but we're okay with it, right?

00:01:36.000 There's the prediction.

00:01:37.000 We've got some fantastic guests coming up on the show today.

00:01:40.000 Faz Shakir.

00:01:41.000 You might not know about Faz Shakir because you've not been paying attention to the mainstream.

00:01:45.000 He was one of the people that advised Bernie Sanders in his 2020 campaign.

00:01:50.000 Now, what I want to ask him about is, will the Democrat Party respond to the obvious interest in populist outsiders?

00:01:58.000 And would you describe RFK as a populist outsider, my on-screen assistant and friend, Gareth Roy?

00:02:03.000 Yeah, I would.

00:02:04.000 He's also head of More Perfect Union, i.e.

00:02:06.000 very pro-union, so it'll be very interesting to hear what he's got to say about Joe Biden.

00:02:10.000 You will never find, I'll tell you this now, you will never find a more pro-union president than Joe Biden.

00:02:16.000 That's not my words, that's Joe Biden's own words.

00:02:18.000 Tell that to rail workers.

00:02:20.000 I will.

00:02:20.000 Get one.

00:02:21.000 Get one in here if they can get to work on time.

00:02:23.000 Get me a rail worker in here and I will tell them.

00:02:25.000 Well, they're not allowed to because they don't have any sick days.

00:02:26.000 That's a shame.

00:02:27.000 But you've got to be healthy if you're driving a train.

00:02:31.000 I'll tell you this.

00:02:32.000 This is why I backed Biden.

00:02:33.000 That's why I backed Biden in 2024.

00:02:35.000 You do not want someone wheezing, coughing, driving a bloody train.

00:02:39.000 You're going to love this story a little bit later as well.

00:02:41.000 Joe Biden, do you know about all of his aliases?

00:02:43.000 Do you know about, did you know about all of this?

00:02:45.000 I did, yeah.

00:02:46.000 He's got so many, I know you know, because actually it was you that told me.

00:02:50.000 He's got so many aliases, this guy.

00:02:52.000 Do you want to know them?

00:02:53.000 Hold on, I think I've memorised them.

00:02:54.000 There's J.R.B.

00:02:56.000 J.R.B.

00:02:56.000 Peters.

00:02:57.000 where?

00:02:58.000 J.R.B.

00:02:58.000 That's beware, because guess when he was using these aliases?

00:02:58.000 where?

00:03:02.000 When he was talking to his son about certain little energy dealings?

00:03:05.000 Am I allowed to say this on YouTube?

00:03:06.000 I think so.

00:03:07.000 So when he was dealing with his son's energy business interest, business energy interest was Ukraine and China, where Trump said, as a matter of fact, on a live debate, your family's been paid millions.

00:03:18.000 Joe Biden said, that's absolutely not true.

00:03:20.000 Do we even have that footage today?

00:03:21.000 Are we going to cover that today?

00:03:22.000 We do.

00:03:22.000 Well, first of all, there's so much to tell you.

00:03:24.000 Can you see I'm excited?

00:03:25.000 I mean, we haven't even gotten to Jordan Peterson.

00:03:27.000 Just sweating as much.

00:03:28.000 I am sweating like Trump.

00:03:28.000 I am.

00:03:30.000 But I'll tell you what, one of the reasons he's probably sweating is he's sweating because he doesn't want to debate the other primary candidates.

00:03:35.000 And do you even care about that?

00:03:36.000 Because Trump ain't debating his primary candidates like Vivek Ramaswamy, guest on the show.

00:03:42.000 Ron DeSantis, guest on the show.

00:03:44.000 Joe Biden, he won't debate his bloody other candidates, will he?

00:03:49.000 Like RFK, guest on the show.

00:03:50.000 Are you seeing a theme developing?

00:03:53.000 In short, if you want to run Meraki, you better come on this show. 0.80

00:03:56.000 Isn't it?

00:03:57.000 That's the only way you can be sure of doing it.

00:03:58.000 JP, Jordan Peterson says that Trump should be debating.

00:04:01.000 We asked you what you thought.

00:04:03.000 Here is his tweet or X or whatever you have to call it now.

00:04:07.000 There's no excuse for this.

00:04:09.000 Biden's doing it.

00:04:10.000 Trump's doing it.

00:04:11.000 Face the people. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Cowardly. 1.00

00:04:13.000 And then there's him saying Trump's going to talk to Tucker.

00:04:16.000 That's definitely going to get more, what do you want to say, eyeballs?

00:04:19.000 I guess so.

00:04:20.000 Eye sockets.

00:04:21.000 Right.

00:04:21.000 Skull holes.

00:04:22.000 Yes.

00:04:23.000 Irises.

00:04:24.000 Jelly balls.

00:04:25.000 That's right. 0.84

00:04:26.000 That'll do.

00:04:26.000 Because in a minute I'll start saying weird stuff, won't I?

00:04:29.000 Body porridge.

00:04:30.000 Right.

00:04:31.000 Yeah.

00:04:31.000 Not that.

00:04:32.000 No one needs to hear that.

00:04:33.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:04:34.000 Not out of the world.

00:04:36.000 Oh?

00:04:36.000 Come on.

00:04:36.000 Can it?

00:04:37.000 So, we've got a lot to talk about because I tell you what, the mainstream media has taken one hell of a beating.

00:04:42.000 Even the presidential primary debates are going to be held not on CNN.

00:04:48.000 Not even on Foxy Lady News.

00:04:50.000 Oh, they are on Fox as well.

00:04:51.000 Also Fox.

00:04:51.000 But also though, and perhaps more significantly, and I'm going to undo my zip a couple of inches for this one.

00:04:57.000 Oh my word.

00:04:58.000 Rumble, but you won't be seeing those guys again.

00:05:00.000 Don't pull to the wide.

00:05:02.000 I see you pull to the wide.

00:05:03.000 These guys, these are the money makers.

00:05:06.000 Dems to money makers.

00:05:07.000 How do you think we got this deal?

00:05:08.000 We got a...

00:05:10.000 Cos itchy and scratchy! 0.67

00:05:11.000 He's prostituted himself!

00:05:14.000 I went up there, all over Canada and Florida, to get Ernest and Honest Bob off Chris Pavlovsky and the guys over there at Rumble HQ.

00:05:21.000 And you're not grateful, are you?

00:05:23.000 Not one bit.

00:05:24.000 How about you just say thank you?

00:05:26.000 He had to do that in every meeting!

00:05:28.000 To Vivek and De Santis!

00:05:31.000 This one, this is my rapping boobie.

00:05:33.000 I'm like a hit trip to listen to because I'm only lactating when I need to.

00:05:37.000 And then this one, a bit more statesmanly, but you know, it doesn't seem to be going well in the old post.

00:05:42.000 Like a member of the royal family, that one, isn't it?

00:05:44.000 Let's have a look at whether or not, now we saw Trump predict that he would be condemned for perspiring that way, and sure enough he was.

00:05:51.000 This is MSNBC talking about Trump's bodily functions.

00:06:05.000 You think he's unhealthy?

00:06:08.000 I mean, Marco Rubio didn't sweat that much.

00:06:10.000 Correct.

00:06:11.000 Ron DeSantis doesn't sweat that much.

00:06:13.000 Anyhow.

00:06:14.000 That was a lot of sweat.

00:06:17.000 Don't talk about the amounts of people sweat.

00:06:19.000 I suppose when Trump continually preempts and predicts things that will happen on the mainstream, or is able to declare publicly that Hunter Biden's business dealings are shady, or at least lead to millions of dollars in revenue, they've not been proven to be shady yet.

00:06:33.000 Perhaps because the person that's investigating them is Pal of Moderna.

00:06:37.000 David Weiss.

00:06:38.000 Let's have a look.

00:06:39.000 That's true.

00:06:39.000 That's what David Weiss was doing before he was investigating.

00:06:43.000 Let's call it investigating Hunter Biden.

00:06:45.000 He was exculpating Moderna. 0.96

00:06:48.000 Now, some people, we had a little vote.

00:06:49.000 Should Trump be made to debate?

00:06:52.000 38% of you said he should be made to.

00:06:54.000 How would you do that, though?

00:06:55.000 19% said don't make him.

00:06:57.000 And 42% of you, you mad giddy nihilists, say it doesn't matter anyway, you wild children of the Lord.

00:07:04.000 Hey, if you're watching this on Rumble right now, why don't you press the red button and join us over on Locals?

00:07:09.000 It's a fantastic place to watch.

00:07:11.000 There's a beautiful community in there like Blessed Old Bird and Jim Earth.

00:07:14.000 We're C137 chatting away.

00:07:16.000 Purple Revolution says, I deeply respect Jordan Peterson on many things, but he does not seem to be able to wrap his mind around the 100 year What do you think?

00:07:26.000 Why don't you get involved in that conversation?

00:07:27.000 And I would suggest, in a loving way, because free speech is being attacked, curtailed, and closed down in myriad new ways.

00:07:34.000 Whether it's the WHO's rules there over on YouTube, their community guidelines will be expanded to include all medical matters.

00:07:41.000 And if you're one of our 6.5 million Awakening Wonders over there, in order to maintain free speech, after just a few more minutes, we're going to slink off into rumble.

00:07:50.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:07:52.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:07:54.000 OK, listen, one of the things that's becoming plain is that the world is demanding alternative political

00:07:59.000 candidates.

00:08:01.000 And even though Bobby Kennedy comes from a legacy family, his rhetoric is anything but.

00:08:07.000 Being aware of the Bernie Sanders campaign the last time and how it was, I would say, shut down by the Democrat

00:08:11.000 Party establishment is, I would say, a serious obstacle

00:08:17.000 to their ongoing electability.

00:08:18.000 And even if they are elected, what does it mean for ordinary people who care about America?

00:08:24.000 Seems to me that you get an institutionalized, donor-led political establishment that can't respond to the will of the very Americans that apparently elected it.

00:08:33.000 We've got Faz Shakir on the line.

00:08:35.000 He is the advisor to Bernie Sanders and head of non-profit More Perfect Union, an organization that champions workers' rights and their voices, which is obviously extremely important.

00:08:46.000 Thanks for joining us, Faz.

00:08:47.000 It's a pleasure to have you.

00:08:48.000 All right, Russell, I'll try to match your energy.

00:08:50.000 I'm not sure I can, but good to see you.

00:08:52.000 I'm actually exhausted just from watching Bobby doing those fingertip pull-ups.

00:08:56.000 What do you feel about the state of the party that I assume you align with?

00:09:01.000 Of course, because of their attitude to unions, the way they reneged on their commitment during the East Palestine crisis, the way that Joe Biden publicly claims to be the friend of the unions, while in practice does very little to help ordinary working Americans.

00:09:15.000 And more broadly, how do you feel about a Democrat party that seems married to legacy politicians, from the Clinton dynasty in particular, and unwilling to respond to what seems to me to be a huge appetite for real change?

00:09:29.000 How do you feel about that?

00:09:30.000 Frustrated, but I'm involved in this effort to stay invested in the system, Russell.

00:09:35.000 Like, I'm here to try to make it better. 0.92

00:09:37.000 Like, if you get cynical and you get depressed and you just start to say, oh, everything's bullshit, we're done with this, it leaves you in a place of anarchy. 0.97

00:09:44.000 And so we've got a two-party system in America.

00:09:46.000 Bernie Sanders ran in the Democratic Party to try to change What he saw as the best vessel to care about working people in America.

00:09:53.000 You could debate them and argue with them that the Democratic Party is better than Republican one.

00:09:56.000 I still believe that that is the case.

00:09:58.000 That's why I'm invested in it.

00:09:59.000 But yeah, you got to be realistic that is it what we want?

00:10:02.000 No, but I'm invested in trying to make it better.

00:10:05.000 I understand that, and I actually deeply respect it as a matter of fact.

00:10:09.000 But Bernie, of course, was independent for the longest of times.

00:10:12.000 Do you feel that what's happened to Bernie ever since he's become a member of the Democrat Party demonstrates the efficacy of bipartisan politics, or exactly the opposite?

00:10:21.000 Russell, isn't that what happens anytime you get involved in trying to transact power?

00:10:26.000 You make a decision that you have to engage in the institutions as they are, and they do by their nature.

00:10:32.000 A lot of the status quo is corrupting of a kind.

00:10:34.000 You have people who take money from big donors.

00:10:38.000 You have people willing to cater to corporate lobbyists. 0.99

00:10:41.000 And then here comes Bernie as an iconoclast saying, I don't give a shit about any of that stuff, 1.00

00:10:45.000 but I got to work with these bastards who do. 0.99

00:10:46.000 I got to work a way to transact a paid sick days or minimum wage increase or whatever it might be. 0.99

00:10:53.000 I have to transact within a system.

00:10:55.000 So I get that for anybody who wants to jump in and say, I got to play within the sandbox.

00:11:00.000 It's dirty in here.

00:11:01.000 It's messy in here, but you can't stay outside of it and assume you're gonna get anything done. 0.98

00:11:06.000 To my views, people have to get it into the sandbox and try to fix the damn thing.

00:11:10.000 Whilst Bernie was willing to confront publicly Moderna on the basis of their profits, and I'd be fascinated to learn what his views are on this $400 million NIH payout, Bernie has been willing to vote alongside Joe Biden, broadly speaking. 0.67

00:11:25.000 And in a sense, hasn't he been not just, I would say, sort of compromising with the Democrat pie, but entirely subsumed into his agenda?

00:11:34.000 What good is Bernie able to do when he votes alongside Biden when it comes to funding this war in the manner that it has been?

00:11:41.000 And where are you seeing meaningful change brought about by the compromises you're describing?

00:11:47.000 That's the question right there.

00:11:49.000 For all of your disagreements that you posited, has there been anything of value?

00:11:52.000 Has there been any progress to be made for working people?

00:11:55.000 And you say, okay, well, here's an administration that puts $2,000 checks into people's pockets in the midst of COVID.

00:12:01.000 They negotiate drug prices on Medicare for the first time ever.

00:12:05.000 They increase the corporate tax rate.

00:12:07.000 They institute a stock buyback tax.

00:12:09.000 They start to figure out, OK, we're going to stand with some working people and go to a picket line, send the Secretary of Labor there.

00:12:14.000 We're going to stand with Amazon organizing workers.

00:12:17.000 Some of those things, in my mind, are worth it.

00:12:20.000 They are worth investing in that direction as opposed to a different one that says, I don't give a damn about any of that stuff. 1.00

00:12:26.000 The whole system is for shit. 0.98

00:12:27.000 And I think you do have generally a Republican Party that doesn't believe that we want to invest in government doing these kinds of things. 1.00

00:12:35.000 I mean, if you take, like, Medicare price negotiation right now, you've got four drug makers and Chamber of Commerce and Pharma all filing lawsuits saying it's unconstitutional.

00:12:44.000 You can't lower prescription drug prices.

00:12:47.000 And you're like, okay, well, there's a choice there.

00:12:49.000 Which side are you on?

00:12:50.000 And I'm very much on the side of, yeah, we're going to negotiate drug prices down.

00:12:54.000 You mentioned Moderna, and Bernie hauled the CEO of Moderna into that committee hearing, said, you know, they jacked up the price of COVID vaccine by 400%, charged American taxpayers billions of dollars to create the vaccine, screwed basically public investments, said, we don't give a damn about you.

00:13:10.000 The question of this day and age is, are you willing to stand up to corporate power?

00:13:14.000 That's the fundamental question.

00:13:15.000 The role of government is to be a bulwark for people against profiteers.

00:13:21.000 And if you don't serve in government to give a damn, About standing up.

00:13:24.000 You have to have that courage.

00:13:25.000 You have to have some degree of spine.

00:13:27.000 I think Bernie has it.

00:13:28.000 I want more of those types of Bernies. 0.92

00:13:30.000 Unfortunately, there aren't many of them.

00:13:32.000 From our chat now Faz, Purple Revolution says Bernie Sanders is largely seen as a sellout these days and I think that's someone that would broadly speaking being a fan of 2016 Bernie.

00:13:44.000 Miles Driver says anarchy has a bad rap.

00:13:46.000 I think that's because of the sort of constant correlation of anarchy with disorder rather than a truly democratic and decentralized model.

00:13:55.000 And Pride Folks says the system Why do you think prominent progressives like AOC and Bernie won't endorse Cornel West despite his obvious emphasis on progressive ideals?

00:14:12.000 Russell, you know the answer to that.

00:14:14.000 I think for all of the concern that they have about a Democratic Party that they don't find is standing up against corporate power and standing up for workers enough, it's a better choice than one in which you have a two-party system, so the choice is this Democratic Party or Trump-led Republican Party.

00:14:28.000 If a third party like Cornel West or anybody else enters the fold, In my view, and people can feel free to disagree with it, it just facilitates one or the other.

00:14:38.000 And I think you've got, in that case, Trump having a very hardcore base of people who I don't think leave him.

00:14:45.000 So then you're, I think, pulling votes from a Democratic Party and enabling Donald Trump.

00:14:49.000 When you, I know loads of people in here just absolutely adore Donald Trump because they precisely believe that he is the anti-establishment voice and with every rolling indictment they just see that as a sort of a further medallion on his credentials as an anti-establishment figure and I feel like when a democrat party plainly operates at the end of a string pulled by a donor class when Joe Biden says to a room full of donors nothing's gonna fundamentally change if you elect me In a sense, they're right to opt for a berserker candidate,

00:15:20.000 whilst I strongly believe what's required is systemic change and I don't think there's

00:15:24.000 anyone in the political landscape except - you know, I love RFK, I love Cornel West, I was

00:15:28.000 inspired by Bernie in 2016, and I recognise, Faz, that you know a lot more about this stuff

00:15:34.000 than I do, but what's required is a kind of marriage between the radicalism of independent

00:15:39.000 media and political spaces like this one, and meaningful change within the system.

00:15:44.000 Now one area, Faz, where you are plainly committed, based on that Unions for All banner or t-shirt

00:15:50.000 that's in frame, is rights for workers.

00:15:55.000 How do you advocate for unionism and unions to our audience here?

00:16:02.000 Can you tell us about some of the successes?

00:16:04.000 We had Christian Smalls on the show.

00:16:05.000 He did very well as a guest and it's an inspiring story.

00:16:08.000 Someone who was an Amazon worker starting a union and having this kind of success that he did against Amazon and their malpractices.

00:16:15.000 What else can we do?

00:16:16.000 What else should we do to support the union movement?

00:16:19.000 See, you know, this time, massive income inequality, the only way in which people get their fair share of workers, they have to organize in solidarity and fight for it. 0.99

00:16:27.000 And we've got class warfare in this damn country. 1.00

00:16:29.000 It has been the rich class dominating and controlling a working class. 1.00

00:16:34.000 And unfortunately, the elites have driven the working class to a place where the only way in which you can get anything is with a damn fight. 0.55

00:16:41.000 And so unionization in this country, although it could be more amicable and peaceful, I wish it were, that you could have peaceful labor-management relations right now, we've gotten the middle finger from most corporate CEOs towards the working class, the working class saying, hey, take a look at UPS workers, right? 0.51

00:16:55.000 They just say, we have to threaten to strike.

00:16:57.000 United Auto Workers right now, they're right in the midst of a contract, they're threatening to strike.

00:17:00.000 Hollywood workers right now, actors, writers, all On strike because they know, I mean, we all felt it during the pandemic.

00:17:07.000 You saw rich getting richer, you felt contempt towards working people, contempt towards essential work, contempt, dishonor, disrespected for the fact that you were putting yourself out there.

00:17:17.000 And now the only way in which you can do anything to improve your lot in life is take matters into your own hands.

00:17:24.000 Don't rely on politicians. 0.98

00:17:25.000 Say, hey, in this damn Starbucks here, in this damn Staten Island warehouse here, in this Apple warehouse, we are going to Talk to our colleagues and demand more. 0.99

00:17:34.000 Demand better, demand respect. 0.99

00:17:35.000 And thankfully, in this last two years, we've seen a rise of that.

00:17:38.000 You get Trader Joe's, you have, as I mentioned, Apple and Starbucks, Amazon.

00:17:41.000 But they're not getting first contracts because the domination of the corporate sphere is unbelievable.

00:17:47.000 It's not only of the economy, it's of the political class. 0.99

00:17:49.000 So there is not a fight and people just don't talk about these damn things.

00:17:53.000 You know, the whole purpose of a union and worker solidarity, Russell is like, What is the purpose of life? 0.87

00:18:00.000 Is life just to generate profit or is it to have a sense of meaning and accomplishment, to feel respected, to feel like I do something purposeful and then I get paid for it?

00:18:08.000 And we've lost that thread in civic society.

00:18:13.000 Yeah, we really have.

00:18:14.000 And I agree with you that decentralised and democratic models and control over workspaces and a life of meaning that goes way beyond what you have to do just to survive in the face of a nihilistic and increasingly amoral cultural environment is an important part of that.

00:18:30.000 If you're watching us on Rumble right now, give us a rumble!

00:18:32.000 But for God's sake, subscribe to our channel.

00:18:34.000 Join us over on Locals and you can ask whatever questions you want And I'll do my best to get through as many as I can.

00:18:41.000 What do you think, Faz, about the alleged corruption between Hunter and Joe Biden when it comes to his business dealings with Burisma?

00:18:47.000 What do you think about the way the Democrat establishment kept those things off of social media?

00:18:52.000 And how can we restore any faith when there's, you know, in particular, just relating to this story?

00:18:57.000 What do you think is going on?

00:18:58.000 And how can we support a president that won't even debate progressive candidates, truly progressive candidates like RFK?

00:19:05.000 Russell, it's not complicated what's going on.

00:19:06.000 You've got a guy who made tens of millions of dollars in Hunter Biden off of the fact that his last name is Biden.

00:19:11.000 And it's like, the scandal is that the corruption is always there.

00:19:16.000 A rich class, an elite class, a well-connected class, their sons, their daughters, take the Bush family sons.

00:19:22.000 You take, obviously, the Trump family son, Jared Kushner's got a $2 billion deal with the Society of Royal Prince.

00:19:29.000 This kind of access to capital, to money, is always there for people who who are in the well-connected political elite class.

00:19:36.000 That's what should be angering to everybody that they don't have an access to this

00:19:40.000 and people are taking advantage of them.

00:19:41.000 So it's obviously Hunter Biden is just one case, Jared Kushner is another, there's a lot of them.

00:19:47.000 And so like to my mind, this is where maybe you and I disagree,

00:19:50.000 is that Joe Biden's own ethics, I think are better than his son's.

00:19:55.000 I think when he was in Congress from 73 to 2008, right?

00:19:59.000 Never traded a stock in that whole period of time.

00:20:02.000 Think of how rich he could have gotten off of trading Lockheed or owning Amazon.

00:20:06.000 Never traded stock.

00:20:07.000 Why?

00:20:07.000 Because he's like, no, my service is to be for the public and I can't, I won't be compromised by owning stocks and making money off of that.

00:20:14.000 So you end up becoming one of the poorer senators.

00:20:17.000 But his values are not reflected in the way Hunter goes about his, And so, you know, it's a travesty, but I also think there's a little bit of a both sides-erism there, Russell, to be honest with you.

00:20:28.000 It's like, you know, is Hunter making tens of millions of dollars as bad as, you know, X, Y, and Z?

00:20:35.000 And you see these kinds of like apples and apples types of comparisons that don't really line up, but it's bad, right? 1.00

00:20:40.000 It's a corrupt damn system. 0.97

00:20:42.000 Baz, I really admire your determination to do something positive within the system, and I strongly support the work you're doing to get workers to organise and unionise and take power back into their own hands, because I agree with you, the establishment elites aren't going to do anything about it. 0.99

00:21:00.000 I obviously don't agree with you about Joe Biden, you know, because I just, I've been sort of blown away by the level of corruption that I've witnessed, but I completely obviously respect your perspective.

00:21:09.000 Can we still disagree?

00:21:09.000 I mean, I appreciate everything you just said, Russ.

00:21:11.000 They won't come on our channels.

00:21:13.000 And so, you know, by the association, we just end up drifting more into sort of libertarian

00:21:18.000 spaces and it starts to seem like the democratic establishment doesn't want to talk to ordinary

00:21:23.000 working Americans.

00:21:24.000 That's what it starts to feel like, you know, so put a word in for us if you will.

00:21:28.000 Can we still disagree?

00:21:29.000 I mean, I appreciate everything you just said, Russ, the way you framed it and the way I

00:21:32.000 firmly believe you.

00:21:33.000 If you said something, you know, talking about somebody's bumhole or whatever, I don't know

00:21:34.000 what you're talking about.

00:21:34.000 that you know talking about somebody's bum hole or or whatever, and that might not be my cup of tea.

00:21:39.000 I'm saying, I can respect disagreement. 0.82

00:21:42.000 Who gives a damn?

00:21:42.000 We're in a civil society.

00:21:43.000 If you're gonna live with real people out in the world, they're gonna have different viewpoints.

00:21:49.000 And my view has always been persuasion.

00:21:51.000 There's somebody with whom you disagree.

00:21:53.000 Talk to them, and maybe share the way in which you think, and respectfully say, hey, maybe we just disagree about this.

00:21:59.000 You go on your merry way, you go on mine.

00:22:01.000 But I bet you and I can find areas of common agreement a lot of the times, and then reserve, OK, well, we disagree on this.

00:22:08.000 That's fine.

00:22:09.000 We can continue to have a decent debate.

00:22:10.000 But I think that is being lost in these alternative channels like yourself.

00:22:14.000 We're trying to do it.

00:22:15.000 Can we just have honest disagreement?

00:22:17.000 That's fine. 0.99

00:22:19.000 Bullshit, like, rancorous, partisan disagreements that are nonsense, but just, like, honestly, having an honest conversation is so hard to have now. 0.98

00:22:25.000 I agree with you, Faz, on so much, and thank you very much for taking the time, unlike many people that are part of the establishment that you are, you know, whilst being critical of, you are being optimistic about. 0.94

00:22:36.000 I respect that very much and I appreciate you coming on Many Switches Switch On Switch Off (x4)

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - August 24, 2023

Faiz Shakir (Bernie Sander’s Advisor)

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