Rand Paul, John Stuart and Tucker Spatt join me in a conversation about the evolution of the anti-vaccination movement in Australia. We talk about whether the pendulum is now swinging too far in the other direction, and whether or not there's still a case to be made that vaccines should be made available to everyone. We also have a fantastic investigation into the relationship between Tucker Carlson and John Stuart, and how politics has changed since Tucker's days as a conservative radio host in the late 1980s and early 1990s. This episode is brought to you by RUMBLE, a production of the Centre-Right Currents Podcast. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/sponsorships and use the promo code: "RUMBLE" to receive 10% off your first month with discount code: FREEDOM10 at checkout. Remember, subscribe, then you can join our fantastic conversations with important political figures and journalists like Rand Paul, Veena Shiva, Vandana Shiva, Glenn Greenwald and more! We get great people, great ideas, great people. Bobby Kennedy's coming up soon! Timestamps: 3:00 - Rand Paul 4:30 - Tucker Carlson 5:15 - John Stuart 8:00- Is there a difference between Tucker's and John's views? 9:15- Can we learn from Rand Paul's relationship with Tucker's? 11: Is there something we can learn from the gaps between the two of them? 16:30- Is it possible? 17:40 - What's the difference between Rand Paul and Stuart's relationship? 18:00 19: Is it a religion? 21:00 | Is the Pandemic? 22: Is religion a religion or is it not? 25:10 - Is the pandemic a cult? 26:30 27:40 | Is it not a religion, is it a heretic? 29:40 32:10 33:30 | What does science a religion ? 35:10 | What is it? 36: What do we need to be? 37: What are we to do with vaccines? 39:00 + 40:00? 45:00 Is it an ideology? 44:00 Do you need to get vaccinated? 47:00 What do you need a vaccine? 46:00 Does it matter?
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00:00:56.000Now, before we get into our incredible content, the Rand Paul conversation, the brilliant John Stewart and Tucker Spatt and what that discourse reveals, is it Is the pendulum swinging too far back in Australia?
00:01:09.000Can you remember a nation more committed to the pandemic than Australia?
00:01:22.000And it turns out now that Queensland's Supreme Court has found that its COVID-19 vaccine mandates for police and ambulance workers were unlawful.
00:01:32.000And also now, Chief Health Officer, what's his name that guy?
00:01:37.000Chris Piat was on the thing a minute ago.
00:01:39.000We'll tell you in a second, I'm sure it's in the article.
00:01:41.000He has admitted his part in pushing vaccine mandates was dead wrong.
00:01:46.000So let me know in the chat right now, do you think that the whole narrative is unraveling?
00:01:49.000Now given that we're still on YouTube, I'm gonna tiptoe around this.
00:01:52.000I will be very elegant in my appraisal of these issues, but I want you to be very confident, particularly those of you in that rumble stream, not that I see you hold back when it comes to complex issues in the Middle East, religion, politics, culture.
00:03:29.000You'll see in our conversation with Ram Paul later that there was a line to follow all the way through this pandemic period in its integrity and science.
00:03:37.000The very words, in fact, or ideas, concepts that were being deployed against the vaccine-hesitant, as they called them.
00:03:43.000And the very concept, science itself, that has been most subverted, i.e.
00:03:47.000it became an orthodoxy and an ideology that was highly politicised, rather than just the neutral, objective analysis of information.
00:03:54.000We look now to Australia, to our new risen king, who admits for the first time in the political sphere that they made a mistake.
00:04:01.000We have a strong public view that those who choose not to get vaccinated need to He hasn't aged a lot at all.
00:04:14.000I mean he's obviously been taking them.
00:04:22.000But then was not saw the tax collector converted to saw so he's gone from like you know people don't want to take the vaccine hit him with a stick off from the carrot but even if it's a particularly hard carrot you could use that as a stick.
00:04:37.000So he's gone from saying use physical coercion in order to get people vaccinated to a mea culpa, an acknowledgement that things are alright.
00:04:45.000Can you feel yourself beginning to heal?
00:04:47.000It's more healing than a lot of medications we were offered in the last few years, let me tell you.
00:05:08.000I think as a general principle, we could all agree that mandates have a time limited role in a pandemic. The dispute and the question will be
00:05:20.000how long should that time be and what is a reasonable level of community
00:05:25.000vaccination to achieve before we we abandon mandates.
00:05:30.000Dr Nick Coatsworth, you're a hero to me.
00:05:34.000I look to you as an example, and I mean this in all sincerity.
00:05:38.000You make a mistake, you admit you made a mistake, you do your best to put it back.
00:05:42.000Not, you make a mistake, you lie about making a mistake, you make a bunch of laws about your mistake, you conceal your mistake, you conceal the information that people might give to reveal that a mistake was made.
00:05:52.000This is the sort of stuff that Rand Paul will eat this up with a spoon, as long as it's been well washed.
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00:08:35.000You might Think that I'm saying the word Senator too much?
00:09:27.000In over 500 pages you have articulated what many people have felt, in fact due in no small part to your own investigations since the outset of the pandemic, that we have been subject to an unprecedented global deceit and that Anthony Fauci plays a central and key role in orchestrating this deceit.
00:09:46.000What primarily is it that you want us to understand from this book about Anthony Fauci's role in the pandemic and its cover-up?
00:09:55.000You know, I think we've never had a cover-up.
00:09:57.000Where the proof of the cover-up and the proof of the deceit, the proof of the lying, is so obvious in the words of the people committing the cover-up.
00:10:06.000So we had Anthony Fauci and all these virologists publicly saying, you're crazy if you think this came from the lab.
00:10:15.000But you have them in private explicitly saying the opposite.
00:10:18.000Not just hedging their bet, but absolutely saying, wow, this is no conspiracy theory.
00:10:24.000This looks like the most likely thing.
00:10:26.000Some of these scientists were saying, eh, I'm 60-40, it came from the lab, or I'm 80-20, or I'm 50-50.
00:10:32.000But in public they were saying, absolutely no way it came from the lab.
00:10:36.000So it was a dishonesty on a level that we've never ever been able to prove by actually seeing in their own words how diabolically dishonest they were.
00:10:48.000I'm going to pause the conversation with the Senator Rample.
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00:11:10.000Sometimes we do content on Terrence McKenna.
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00:11:29.000In fact, not only were they giving us a deception through omission, but also deception through commission and deception through direct contradiction and the management of information.
00:11:40.000It demonstrated a level of duplicity that we've seldom seen in public life.
00:11:44.000I'm speaking in particular of Antony Fauci's intervention at various agencies, including the CIA, the management in particular of what was known as the lab leak theory, but increasingly seems like a Undeniable truth.
00:11:56.000I wonder, for a moment, if we may take this broader, Senator, what do you think it does to the soul of a nation, to the spirit and morale of a nation, when a deception of this scale is practiced, when we almost see in real time ideas that were dismissed as conspiracy theories, i.e.
00:12:11.000that gain-of-function research was dangerous, that dual-purpose research was taking place, That potentially America was involved in the funding of the research in Wuhan through groups like EcoHealth Alliance and DARPA and perhaps the figure of Peter Daszak is an interesting one to comment on here.
00:12:29.000What do you think it does to America's spirit at a time where your country appears to be undergoing a great reckoning?
00:12:36.000What does an event like this do to the country's soul?
00:12:40.000What we saw for about three years as these public health officials came before committees was that they kept blaming the right wing and saying, you're responsible for vaccine hesitancy.
00:12:51.000You're responsible for people distrusting their government.
00:12:54.000And I pointed right back at them and said, absolutely not.
00:12:56.000You're responsible because you've lied to the public.
00:13:01.000And I don't think they ever truly grasped that.
00:13:04.000But in the end, it's amazing to me how smart people actually are.
00:13:08.000Because the elitist point of view is that the common man is too stupid to take care of himself, too stupid to make his health care decisions.
00:13:16.000But interestingly with this, if you ask a poll of how many moms are vaccinating their six months old in the United States, it's like a handful.
00:13:25.000You know, they're from the Act Blue Coalition or something, but they're not normal people.
00:13:30.000But very few people are vaccinating their kids because they see no reason, it's not a deadly disease for kids, and they have read about that there's a possibility that my kid could have a side effect from the vaccine, but there's not much possibility that my kid could get very sick from the disease.
00:13:45.000So I think the people have gotten smarter on this, but vaccine distrust and distrust of government has grown exponentially because of their dishonesty.
00:13:54.000Indeed, we are seeing now what we commonly refer to as mainstream or legacy media.
00:13:59.000It seems to me at least an attempt to mitigate the unavoidable deluge of truth that they are now being confronted with.
00:14:07.000I know that now Pfizer and the CDC have participated in the funding of a broad study that at least begins to acknowledge pericarditis, myocarditis as well as other conditions and just how many yellow card and adverse injuries there have been as a result of this extraordinary product.
00:14:23.000At the beginning of your over 500-page book, you talk about Li Wenliang, who died under what sounded like suspicious circumstances in China around the outbreak of coronavirus.
00:14:35.000Could you tell me why you see Li Wenliang as a significant figure and what exactly their story encapsulates?
00:14:44.000You know, he was a 33-year-old ophthalmologist, so I was drawn to him because 30 years ago, I was a young ophthalmologist like him.
00:14:52.000He saw these people dying from an unknown virus of unknown origin or a pneumonia of unknown origin, and so he decided he'd do what he thought was the right thing.
00:15:03.000He would spread the word to fellow physicians that it looks like this is happening again.
00:15:07.000Most of these people remembered or knew about 2002, 2003.
00:15:12.000When SARS-1 came about, and so he was warning people, it's here again.
00:15:16.000But for that warning, the government arrested him.
00:15:45.000But the death rate for a healthy 33-year-old is about 4 out of 10,000.
00:15:51.000And it might have been higher in China.
00:15:54.000It's hard to know what to believe, because they said almost nobody died in China.
00:15:58.000And we do think millions of people died, even just in Wuhan.
00:16:01.000But it's extraordinary that he died, and I think there are always questions when people die in a totalitarian country because there's a lack of transparency all over Chinese Weibo, their email chat.
00:16:16.000All that night, people were going, we knew you'd do this.
00:16:19.000We knew this would happen in the middle of the night.
00:16:35.000It seems like another extraordinary example of how we are being exposed to unexpected corollaries between anglophonic nations such as ours and this previously presumed communist dictatorship.
00:16:48.000I wonder if the new ways of categorising misinformation and malinformation, as well as the state's power to crush dissent through campaigns, as you've just described in the instance of Li Wenliang, are becoming increasingly common here, as well as the undue and evidently misguided compliance that was able to be induced in the populations of both your country and mine.
00:17:12.000What does this tell us about increasing authoritarianism and centralised power, Senator?
00:17:18.000See, I think that's the point of this book in some ways, is that we kind of expect a totalitarian country to crush dissent, we expect them to weld people into apartments, but we don't expect the West, the liberalized West, to applaud it.
00:17:33.000You know, Anthony Fauci was quite proud of the Chinese and many of the public health doctors in our country lamented the fact that we couldn't act like the Chinese because we had that, what's that terrible thing called?
00:18:44.000The left that once stood up for the First Amendment in our country, Some of them are the loudest saying, we're not doing enough.
00:18:51.000We have to get rid of this misinformation.
00:18:53.000And they have a lack of irony that it would be the responsibility of them to decide what is true.
00:19:00.000It's sort of like, oh, I'm a partisan Democrat, and I'm going to decide that what partisan Republicans are saying is not true.
00:19:06.000Who in their right mind would think that that is a way to have a full-throated debate?
00:19:10.000I would never, in my wildest dreams, think that I could shut a Democrat down or somebody I disagreed with.
00:19:16.000Because I believe in freedom of speech.
00:19:17.000But it's amazing that the opposite is not true.
00:19:20.000They are somehow so righteous and so sure of the truth, most of whom are not scientists and know nothing about science, are so certain of the science that they're willing to shut down anyone's opinion they disagree with.
00:19:33.000The politicization of this issue was, it seems, used to undergird a new orthodoxy that apparently
00:19:40.000always had as its aim the kind of authoritarianism that doesn't think twice about censoring and
00:19:47.000controlling information that is not advantageous to its previously concealed agenda.
00:19:53.000Within the figure of Anthony Fauci, who lived through a kind of live hagiography during
00:19:59.000this extraordinary period, we were able to see another curious aspect of American public
00:20:05.000life, the unelected bureaucrat consuming and demonstrating power at a level that is difficult
00:20:30.000I have the footage, I have the footage!
00:20:34.000I wonder what you feel is the role of what has come to be termed the legacy media in creating this somewhat unaccountable hero, Anthony Fauci, who's now just admitted that the figure of a six-foot separation we just pulled out of the air that masks weren't effective, while previously having made the ludicrous claim that he, you know, I am science.
00:20:55.000How did the media contribute to the creation of this figure?
00:20:59.000So, just for fun, we will occasionally write op-eds that we submit to either the New York Times or the Washington Post, because they always reject them.
00:22:37.000But two, his budget dwarfed all the other budgets.
00:22:40.000And he also became somebody who routinely was visiting with the spooks.
00:22:45.000And this is one of the things that I learned in the book is almost all these people granting scientific grants, you would think they're these just ivory-towered scientists who are like trying to cure disease for mankind.
00:22:57.000They're meeting with the CIA and the MI5 and the MI6 in England.
00:23:03.000Welcome Trust that was headed by Jeremy Farrar, who's a big player in all of this.
00:23:09.000He's talking to his boss at Welcome Trust.
00:23:11.000And oh, by the way, she's the former head of MI5.
00:23:15.000So it's like all these people who are involved with science are also involved with intelligence, which really tells you there's a lot more going on here than they're letting us see.
00:23:24.000Yes, but it was Bobby Kennedy's analysis that first helped me to understand that there'd been a historic teleology from declared international wars which are identifiable, like the Second World War, to the subsequent Cold War, to the War on Terror, To the war on germs and the war on ideas, all used to, I suppose, through a kind of diffuse subterfuge, legitimize more and more authoritarian measures, even though the enemy is becoming harder and harder to quantify.
00:23:59.000Bobby Kennedy also, just on a side note, says that you should succeed Mitch McConnell.
00:24:37.000A million, a couple million at a time.
00:24:39.000And then this money goes to support candidates that vote for him within the caucus.
00:24:44.000And many of them are unable to raise money very well for themselves, they're not very well known in their communities, and they're deathly afraid of the voters.
00:24:52.000This is something people don't quite understand or isn't reported as much as it should be.
00:24:57.000Most of these incumbent senators are deathly afraid of their voters, including their own party.
00:25:02.000They go home to their own conventions and they're booed at their conventions.
00:25:06.000So the hardcore people who work in the political world, in the conventions of their state, they know these people aren't representing them.
00:25:14.000So I routinely will put forward things that I know that no good person in this state supports, and then we'll try to let people know how their senator voted because they have no idea.
00:25:25.000This disjunct between the electorate and the institutions that nominally serve them has become increasingly exposed.
00:25:33.000One of the clear themes of the pandemic period was deep state intervention when it came to matters of media and the control of information.
00:25:41.000It was Mike Benz that recently coined the term, which I think is interesting when people say democracy now, as in we must go to war in order to defend democracy.
00:25:50.000They mean a set of institutions that are owned by elite interests as opposed to the process of elections via which the will of the people might have been expressed.
00:25:59.000Do you feel that fissures have opened up during the pandemic period that are going to be very difficult to close?
00:26:05.000You've already mentioned That trust in science and trust in vaccines has fallen radically and it seems to me that there's an attempt to try to address and redress that or create systems of authority that don't require public complicity.
00:26:17.000Do you feel that there is a great mistrust in American public officials in some part brought about by Anthony Fauci and I like your comparison to Hoover because you know Anthony Fauci liked dressing up in that mask that apparently did very little and we know that Hoover had some interesting clandestine habits in that area also.
00:26:37.000Yeah, I think that the thing I worry most about coming out of this is the idea that there's different standards of justice.
00:26:46.000You know, one of the things that almost tore America apart back in the 50s and 60s was the idea that if your skin were black, you wouldn't be treated with equal protection under the law, that you were going to be treated differently according to your skin color.
00:26:59.000We have gotten past that to a great degree over many decades, but now my fear is that people are being treated differently based on the shade of their ideology, whether what your beliefs are on vaccine or who you follow politically or whose podcast you listen to.
00:27:15.000Because Anthony Fauci is clearly guilty of lying to Congress about the gain of function, about funding gain of function research.
00:27:23.000He's guilty of lying in his own words, because we now have slack emails from February 1st, 2020, when he says explicitly they're doing gain-of-function research.
00:27:32.000He lists the research, which is the research he had funded, and he says he knew they were doing it from the very beginning.
00:27:39.000From the first email, this is the amazing thing of this cover-up.
00:27:43.000The first email we have a record of is January 27th, 2020.
00:27:47.000Fauci gets an email from his assistant.
00:27:49.000He says, wanted you to see this paper, this gain of function paper in Wuhan that we funded.
00:28:05.000But he never is prosecuted and won't be prosecuted.
00:28:08.000But people from the previous administration who either were accused of lying or may have lied to Congress are still being prosecuted.
00:28:14.000People who came to the Capitol on January 6th but never entered, that were milling around looking like this and didn't do anything, are still being pursued for jail.
00:28:25.000But if you came here to protest Kavanaugh's, you know, about a hundred women lay on the floor and wouldn't leave.
00:28:31.000They were trespassing in the Senate buildings and they were moved, but they were taken.
00:28:36.000I don't know if any of them ever got a ticket, but none of them went to jail.
00:28:39.000If they were booked, they were let go.
00:28:41.000That's what typically happened to protesters in our country if you didn't hurt somebody.
00:28:45.000But that's not what's happening with January 6th.
00:28:47.000So people are worried that there's two standards of justice now, and that will lead to further problems.
00:28:55.000Certainly the judiciary has been weaponised in the manner that you've described and perhaps in particular against Donald Trump.
00:29:03.000I wonder if with the recent decision to defer to the Supreme Court it's likely now that the Democrats will ramp up the hysteria around this issue rather than, as many have suggested, undertaking a deep reckoning about the inability of their party to appeal at this point even to their Do you feel that there are crises now in American political life that are unprecedented?
00:29:30.000That regardless of the outcome of the next election, America may never again heal?
00:29:36.000That secession becomes a realistic possibility?
00:29:38.000That the assumption that the nation of the United States in its current form is permanent is starting to be exposed for the illusion that we know that all temporal conditions ultimately are?
00:29:50.000You know, I never used to think it would be possible that a state legislature could change the rules on the statute of limitations and a woman from 30 years ago could accuse him of something.
00:30:00.000He said, she said things are very difficult.
00:30:46.000New York's already got an exodus of wealthy people.
00:30:49.000You think anybody's going to want to do business with the chance that an old girlfriend could call from 30 years ago and get 80 million from them?
00:30:55.000And it's done because they hate Donald Trump.
00:30:58.000It's not going to be done if you are somehow a follower of Democrat politics.
00:31:04.000It's going to be done if they hate your politics.
00:31:07.000The only way it gets solved in a way that doesn't lead to further problems would be the Supreme Court Take all of these cases and simply say, we're not going to use our courts to go after politicians.
00:31:24.000I don't know legally where they can take them all up, but I would assume they're going to try to get to the Supreme Court If they all do and the Supreme Court does that, they could essentially wash the slate on this.
00:31:34.000But if he's forced out of business or forced into bankruptcy because of this, $300 billion is not chump change.
00:31:42.000He's got to come up with all of the interest.
00:31:44.000It adds up to $400 or $500 million by the time you get the interest going.
00:32:22.000The trust in the establishment and its institutions is so low that a figure that epitomises anti-establishment sentiment, and perhaps even more deeply the emotions that undergird that, will increase in popularity the more he is attacked.
00:32:38.000By the establishment, given that it's unlikely that the Democrat Party have any other weapon to deploy other than this judicial artillery, because to address the problems, if you want to regard it from this perspective, that led to the rise of Trump, i.e.
00:32:52.000inequality, corruption, the donor class, corporatisation of America, the globalisation of US politics, The necessity for forever wars.
00:33:00.000Because these issues cannot be touched and cannot be dealt with, this ongoing judicial process, I suppose, is the only option.
00:33:07.000Given that I imagine, Senator, that you're a man who has some contretemps and distinctions even within your own party, do you see the rise of figures like Donald Trump, and perhaps yet more specifically, Robert Kennedy, as an appetite for more independent political movements?
00:33:24.000And do you see that there could be a future in which America was not the bipartisan or as some would say uniparty institution that it currently is.
00:33:35.000You're seeing the term more and more on the internet, but you're also seeing it used by many of us who are rebelling against the leadership of the Senate, calling it the Uni Party.
00:33:44.000I can remember even back to when I was a kid, I would come up here as a child, as an intern, and work in my dad's office, and he always commented that the top of the committee, Republican or Democrat, were the same.
00:33:55.000There was only differences as you worked your way down the committee to newer members.
00:33:59.000As they rose up the ranks, they became the same, and there really was not a dime's worth of difference between both parties.
00:34:05.000It's still to a large degree that way, particularly on foreign policy, on believing this old Cold War mentality that we have to, you know, if Ukraine falls, Poland falls, and the dominoes will fall, and Russia will be in England, and Russia will be on our shores, and nonsense, because Russia can't even Take over Ukraine.
00:34:28.000They don't seem to have the ability to even conquer a smaller country next to them.
00:34:33.000But the thing is, is that mentality is in both parties.
00:34:36.000They're the ones who want to send unlimited money to Ukraine.
00:34:40.000They're the Republicans who say, well, we're fiscally conservative, except for when it comes to military might and military intervention around the world, which means they're not really fiscally conservative.
00:34:50.000And I tried that line when I ran for president in 2016.
00:34:53.000I said, look, none of these guys are fiscally conservative.
00:34:55.000You can't be fiscally conservative unless you're willing to save money, both on the welfare front and the warfare front.
00:35:02.000It doesn't mean we eliminate either one of them, but you got to save money on both fronts.
00:35:05.000Instead, we do the opposite and the compromise.
00:35:10.000There'll be a compromise this week, today, and next week.
00:35:12.000We'll spend more money on warfare and welfare.
00:35:16.000And then we'll send some to Ukraine, some to Taiwan, it'll all go out the door, but it'll all be borrowed and we'll be another trillion and a half in debt, further in debt, in one year.
00:35:26.000In your excellent book, Deception, you quote the poet Parveen Shakir, who uses the image of fireflies being caught in daylight as the way in which the, what is currently called the censorship industrial complex, are able to manage information, to conceal truths, This incredible ability that the establishment, for want of a better term, has to control our spaces of reality surely needs to be interrupted.
00:35:48.000anachronistic historical analogy in order to reframe conflicts that bear no
00:35:53.000real comparison to the conflicts of the last century. This incredible ability
00:35:58.000that the establishment, for want of a better term, has to control our spaces of
00:36:02.000reality surely needs to be interrupted. Do you believe that we have a
00:36:06.000significant problem when it comes to censorship right now, in particular
00:36:11.000during the pandemic, it was acknowledged that true information was censored,
00:36:30.000I've certainly experienced it myself as a matter of fact, and I wonder what your view of that matter is.
00:36:35.000I do worry about the government's involvement with big tech and with social media platforms.
00:36:42.000Throughout all of this, we've discovered that the FBI and Homeland Security are meeting weekly with all of the major tech platforms and coercing and pushing and cajoling them to take down information.
00:36:56.000That, I think, goes against our First Amendment, and I have a bill to make that illegal.
00:37:01.000I would prevent any government employee from meeting with anybody from the media to discuss removing constitutionally protected speech.
00:37:09.000The reason we write it that way is there are some speech they claim would be in danger
00:37:33.000So I have a bill to do that, but I can't get a Democrat on board.
00:37:36.000I've tried talking to the couple of Democrats who I think are reasonable, and one of them said this to me.
00:37:42.000He said, well, we have to be able to police disinformation, and what if the Republicans tell everybody that the election's on Wednesday instead of on Tuesday?
00:38:00.000They think the government, that people are too stupid and that they would actually not vote or, oh, text in the name of your candidate and that'll be your vote.
00:38:18.000But they're so alarmed that we need the government to prevent people from suppressing the vote by telling them dishonest nonsense on the internet.
00:39:29.000This is a forum where manners must come to the very forefront.
00:39:33.000The question is, from atkarina14, as more and more evidence emerges that health agencies on a global scale misled and most likely harmed many people, what kind of actual accountability can there be given the scale of the offence?
00:39:47.000He was talking about harm from the vaccine?
00:39:52.000This has been a discussion for a long period of time, and we discussed this in the book.
00:39:56.000Congress gave liability protection so there is no harm to be held to these people.
00:40:01.000They can serve up whatever you want, and it'd be bad enough if it were voluntary, but it's being pushed on you.
00:40:07.000Many people lose their jobs if they're not vaccinated, but if they're harmed by the vaccine, they have no recourse.
00:40:12.000Now, they set up some big vaccine database and then an ability to get some money from the government.
00:40:18.000But it's not the same because it doesn't chasten at all the companies.
00:40:23.000And really, the insidious part of this is that it's mandatory.
00:40:27.000And then, you know, you got the former FDA commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, is on the board of Pfizer, who is then calling Twitter to say, take down this article saying you might be harmed by vaccinating your children.
00:40:41.000That's how bad it is that the former FDA commissioner is now on the board of Pfizer, is now telling Twitter to take down information on this.
00:40:50.000So it's disturbing, but it's been going on since the 1970s.
00:40:53.000My dad fought against it, was one of the few people to vote against giving liability protection to the vaccine manufacturers.
00:41:02.000On the other side of it, they would argue, well, the government mandates these things.
00:41:09.000So the government should be responsible for it.
00:41:11.000But if they're not responsible for their own products, I don't think they're going to work as hard to try to do no harm, you know, to make sure that there's not a harmful aspect.
00:41:21.000And these things were pushed out so fast, if they had been voluntary in every aspect, you could at least say people who were frightened could take them, people at high risk could take them, but they were pushed out and then pushed on healthy people who didn't need the vaccines, and that really is a crime and somebody should be punished, particularly the government.
00:41:39.000The Anthony Fauci's of this world who pushed nonsense and bad science on us, that now he just throws up his hands and says, oh well, we didn't really know.
00:41:48.000We liked six feet, but we didn't really know why we said six feet of distance.
00:43:02.000Thank you, Rand Paul, for joining us on Stay Free.
00:43:04.000Remember, you can get that book, Deception, the great COVID cover up by clicking the link in your description right now.
00:43:09.000Hopefully, they'll be able to track how many he sold as a result of this appearance, and it will increase our prominence in the space.
00:43:15.000Now, listen, Tucker Carlson called Jon Stewart a tool of the regime in response to Jon Stewart's bit criticizing Tucker's Vladimir Putin interview.
00:43:25.000Is the media missing vital viewpoints from both men in its appetite to create its latest polarized battle in the culture war?
00:43:42.000Tucker Carlson has called Jon Stewart a tool of the establishment,
00:43:46.000where Jon Stewart thinks that Tucker is just, well, a tool.
00:43:48.000But in this phony polarisation and culture war, are we missing the real message here that both these anti-establishment figures have more to teach us than anyone from the homogenised, uniparty, authoritarian centre?
00:44:02.000Surely this is an important moment where a figure like Tucker Carlson, despised and loathed on the left, but adored by many.
00:44:09.000And Tucker Carlson, let me say it outright out front, I consider him to be my friend.
00:44:14.000And the reason I like Tucker Carlson is because I see him as like an old school conservative, maybe, who is willing to just come out and say, I'm a free speech absolutist.
00:44:56.000He understands comedy, he understands delivery, he understands character.
00:44:59.000He's an exceptionally gifted comic and I think a vital, incredible voice in our cultural space.
00:45:05.000That's why I think it's fascinating to see the two of them at Loggerhead.
00:45:09.000But are we going to miss a real opportunity here?
00:45:11.000When Tucker Carlson is a figure of the right, let's say for simplicity's sake, who is virulently anti-establishment, John Stewart is a figure of the left who is very pro-ordinary working people, who is critical of the establishment and yet is confined to certain areas of topicality and we'll point them out as we go.
00:45:31.000But is there more to There's more to learn from both of these figures, their popularity and their ability than we could ever learn from the centralised, homogenised, authoritarian, centralist figures that dominate our cultural space these days.
00:45:45.000Jon Stewart is whip funny, fast, amusing and right on.
00:45:50.000Tucker Carlson understands how to reach a wide audience with ethics and morals that clearly resonate with vast, almost incomparable numbers of people.
00:46:01.000This is showbiz in a way, but politics and media have changed since Jon Stewart was last on TV.
00:46:06.000And if we were to find an energy and a charge between these two poles rather than repulsion in that magnetic power, we might find the source for new political movements that could be a genuine challenge to the American war machine and global corporatism.
00:46:45.000But what I'm interested in is what Why Jon Stewart never points out that Tucker Carlson is consistently anti-war.
00:46:51.000Watching Jon Stewart deconstruct and attack Tucker Carlson on the basis of his interview with Putin is interesting but I also would argue this was a really important interview and that in attacking Tucker Carlson Even though he does it brilliantly and amusingly, he is, to a degree, doing the job of the establishment, because if the Democrat party could press a button and prevent that interview from happening, they would have pressed that button, because I think millions of people who never would have had access to it before saw Vladimir Putin clearly conveying a very particular perspective which could be called, easily, propaganda, but certainly includes things like, we are interested in a diplomatic solution, we always made it clear that if Ukraine joined NATO it would be a problem,
00:47:29.000And not only that, these are things that we were all aware of and discussing prior to the interview.
00:47:34.000The 2014 coup in Ukraine and the way that's played out.
00:47:36.000And subsequently, even newspapers like the New York Times have published that the CIA have bases inside Ukraine and have been agitating and provoking a war.
00:47:44.000So you can't call it an unprovoked war anymore.
00:47:46.000So what I'm saying is, I wonder, is it possible that you could feel, as Jon Stewart does, a kind of antipathy and even disdain for Tucker Carlson?
00:47:53.000And yet acknowledge Tucker Carlson's right, and therefore his audience's right, to share the views that they clearly do, and to oppose the opinions of Jon Stewart, but find common ground when it comes to a general agreement that you can't trust the American military-industrial complex, a subject upon which Tucker Carlson is very strong, and to which this interview is integrally related, because isn't the big establishment fear here that we'll hear Vladimir Putin say stuff that makes us not want to fund an ongoing Ukraine-Russia war?
00:48:22.000And haven't you already heard a bunch of stuff that makes you think that diplomacy might be better than continuing to allow Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc.
00:48:33.000When you're sitting there interviewing Putin and you don't plan to challenge his utter bullshit, but you don't want to really be that obvious, what do you do with your face?
00:48:47.000Okay, so it's not really a straight face, as much as you try to convey a mixture of what appears to be shame, arousal, and... I'm gonna say irregularity.
00:49:01.000For instance, like you're constipated while jerking off to a Sears catalog.
00:49:07.000This, I suppose, shows you the power of comedy, because that's an entirely constructed idea designed to ridicule, and it's a successful one, and it's the kind of thing that comedians should be able to do, and clearly do rather well.
00:49:19.000And it's one of the things that's slowly getting extricated from our culture, the ability to be cruel in good faith.
00:49:25.000Although this is, of course, not a well-intended bit, this is a polarizing bit.
00:49:30.000I maintain Josh Stewart is an anti-establishment figure when it comes to being critical of corruption.
00:49:35.000Did you see his interview with that Pentagon official when it came to the subject of failing audits?
00:49:41.000An $850 billion budget to an organisation that can't pass an audit and tell you where that money went, I think most people would consider that somewhere in the realm of waste, fraud or abuse because they would wonder why that money isn't well accounted for.
00:49:58.000What I'm trying to drive us towards here is the possibility of a kind of acceptance that there's a space that's neither Democrat or Republican in the former sense, but is a more decentralized, autonomous, truly democratic, anti-establishment position.
00:50:49.000And where are those resources currently going?
00:50:52.000Evidently to the Pentagon, to the ongoing war So I suppose what I'm inviting is a spirit of conviviality, mutual acceptance, trust and even love.
00:51:03.000Even though I adore comedy, I adore ridicule, I adore the ability to poke fun and even attack in good spirits.
00:51:11.000And both of these men are, in the case of Tucker Carlson, a person I consider a friend.
00:51:14.000In the case of Jon Stewart, a person I admire.
00:51:16.000But in terms of how is this playing out in the media?
00:51:19.000How is this playing out in the culture?
00:51:21.000And isn't it Perhaps, if your handlers had allowed, you would have seen there is a hidden fee to your cheap groceries and orderly streets.
00:51:26.000acknowledge and move into new cultural spaces rather than let's just sink into
00:51:30.000the morass of the culture war as just tit-for-tat spat that don't really go
00:51:35.000anywhere. Perhaps if your handlers had allowed you would have seen there is a
00:51:40.000hidden fee to your cheap groceries and orderly streets. Ask Alexei Navalny or
00:51:46.000any of his supporters. In Vladimir Putin's Russia political repression is
00:54:00.000Now my satisfaction scarcely needs to be prioritised, but I think that what is being revealed by these two cultural orators, two polemicists, two polarised figures, is that the uniparty space is becoming increasingly less relevant and movements and individuals from the periphery have a lot more in common with one another ultimately, even if there is a variety of cultural issues that may separate us.
00:54:24.000I figure that if you were to acknowledge that on the subject of war, the military-industrial complex, deep state involvement, the establishment of a censorship-industrial complex, all of which has been underwritten by both the Obama administration and the Biden administration, all of which Tucker has reported on extensively, if we were to see those issues discussed in these spaces, we would start to recognize, hang on a minute, there is an affinity here.
00:54:44.000But you don't tend to see those issues discussed.
00:54:47.000Because It seems to me that the establishment's primary weapon now in maintaining control of political institutions is to continue to portray Trump as a terrifying tyrant and dictator-in-waiting hysterically rather than ever addressing the failures of their own organisation and their own party, particularly when it comes to economic inequality.
00:55:06.000Jon Stewart He's a figure of the left that I continue to admire precisely because he does reach out to what you might call ordinary Americans.
00:55:13.000His work with the first responders after 9-11 and his affinity with ordinary American people is one of the things, let me know how you feel in the chat, that makes me still feel affection for Jon Stewart and makes me still feel hope that out of this incendiary space and this type of cultural conflict new alliances may yet emerge.
00:55:29.000But the goal that Carlson and his ilk are pushing is that there's really Really no difference between our systems.
00:55:34.000In fact, theirs might be a little bit better.
00:55:49.000But now they think the battle is woke versus un-woke.
00:55:54.000I think the emergence of woke owes a lot more to the fact that the Democrats now operate on behalf of metropolitan elite and have abandoned ordinary working people and therefore have to emphasize the cultural areas where they are more inverted commas progressive in order to distract us from the fact that now truckers are pro-Trump.
00:56:10.000To regard Trump as the source of the problem rather than a response to the failings of the American left is I think a similarly myopic perspective and also conveying a kind of go and live in Russia if you love it so much.
00:56:21.000That's exactly the sort of thing that you would have heard from And in that fight, Putin is an ally to the right.
00:56:26.000Jon Stewart in his spats with Bill O'Reilly, there was a kind of conviviality and a sense of hope
00:56:32.000that somehow there was a shared vision of America that might lead to mutuality, respect and trust.
00:56:38.000That kind of conversation seems to be disappearing from the public discourse.
00:56:41.000And in that fight, Putin is an ally to the right. He's their friend.
00:56:46.000Unfortunately, he is also a brutal and ruthless dictator.
00:56:52.000So now they have to make Americans a little more comfortable with that.
00:56:56.000I mean liberty is nice but have you seen Russia's shopping carts?
00:57:01.000I suppose at this point you'd have to estimate for yourself how much of the United States military-industrial complex and your tax dollar resources are being expended in the Ukraine-Russia conflict because of a humanitarian crisis and how much of it is being expended because as Julian Assange said the goal is to create long Unending wars rather than successful ones.
00:57:21.000You mentioned Jon Stewart the two of you have a bit of a history I don't know if you've seen it, but he kind of grilled your supermarket and subway Videos, but his other point was that I was somehow a partisan or a mindless partisan, which is definitely not true I mean it's true of him.
00:57:37.000He is a mindless partisan But I am NOT and I haven't been for I really haven't been since I got back from Baghdad at the beginning of the Iraq war and I realized that The Republican Party, which I'd voted for, you know, my whole life to that point and had supported in general, was like pushing this really horrible thing that was going to hurt the United States, which in time it really did.
00:58:00.000I am a figure that came out of what you might call the cultural left.
00:58:03.000I've got a lot of friends that feel much more affiliated with the politics and ideals of Jon Stewart than Tucker Carlson.
00:58:09.000One of the things they continually say about Tucker Carlson is he's interested in things like displacement theory.
00:58:13.000I've never heard him talk about Tucker Carlson's continuing opposition to war, from the Iraq war to contemporary wars, his willingness to interview people that are truly anti-establishment on a variety of subjects, and even a memorable piece where he spoke to Ben Shapiro, those were the days when them guys were communicating, on the subject of AI and whether or not he would pass laws to ensure that trucks Could never be driven, for example, automatically because of the impact that would have on that particular sector of American working people where he spoke in favour of government regulation of private corporations in a way that you would never hear anyone from inside the Biden administration talking in support of ordinary workers.
00:58:50.000Would you, Tucker Carlson, be in favor of restrictions on the ability of trucking companies to use this sort of technology specifically to, you know, sort of artificially maintain the number of jobs that are available in the trucking industry?
00:59:19.000The problem, I suppose, is I generally find more affinity with people that say, this system is broken, these institutions are not worthy of our trust, we need new political models, you can't trust the government, you can't trust corporations, than people that appear to be advocating for one side of a broken political system.
00:59:36.000For me, by continually being hysterical about Trump and Trump's impact, you're failing to acknowledge that the Democrats in your country, or the Labour movement in our party, have failed ordinary people to the point where populism, nativism, are inevitable reactions But I would just say this, Jon Stewart's a defender of power.
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01:02:26.000But don't pretend to be something else.
01:02:28.000What I'm struck by when watching these two figures communicating, presumably primarily to their own audiences rather than each other's, is surely at this point there is a growing constituency that quite like Jon Stewart, quite like Tucker Carlson, and hate the establishment, hate the Uni Party.
01:02:45.000That's what I think is being exposed by this era and by the great Stars of this era is that the establishment and its institutions are failing.
01:02:55.000And what we're living through now is their frantic attempt to reassert control that used to be possible and plausible when you had centralised media.
01:03:08.000And back into that space you have one of these, not Old Guard, I don't mean this in a dismissive way, Very, very brilliant comic who could succeed in any environment because of his skill adapting to what has changed since then.
01:03:19.000Because I feel, and I hope in a way, that there are more of us that think, not the Democrats, not the Republicans, something else, please.
01:03:26.000than are just like thirstily and happily backing up our chosen opponent in a culture war that does all of us a
01:04:18.000Look, The big things, this is my estimation of it, others may disagree, the big things are the economy and war, okay?
01:04:27.000The big things government does can be... I mean, a lot of things government does, government does everything at this point, but where we kill people and how, and for what purpose, and how we organize the economic engine that keeps the country afloat, those are the two big questions.
01:04:43.000And I hear almost no debate about either one of them in the media.
01:04:47.000And I have dissenting views on both of them.
01:04:49.000I mean, I'm mad about the tax code, which I think is unfair.
01:04:52.000And the fact that we're creating chaos around the world, like, is the saddest thing that's happening right now.
01:05:02.000These are valuable questions to ask about the establishment media.
01:05:04.000Are they willing to interrogate war expenditure?
01:05:07.000Are they willing to interrogate and provide the reckoning that the pandemic period surely demands the The disease is the same name as the lab.
01:05:14.000There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.
01:05:17.000a significant mainstream figure who said there's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness in Pennsylvania
01:05:21.000with regard to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the ridiculous coincidence of the emergence of coronavirus from
01:05:47.000So what I'm saying is our culture needs both of these figures.
01:05:50.000It represents the end of these systems.
01:05:52.000Is it possible that we have in the figures of Tucker Carlson and Jon Stewart, even while they're in the middle of a highly publicised spat, the kind of fusion that's required for solution 3?
01:06:03.000Is this conversation and this polemic an indication that our old institutions are dying, new institutions are required, new conversations will have to take place in order for that to be achieved, and perhaps a conversation between Jon Stewart and Tucker Carlson could certainly contribute to that solution.
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