Stay Free - Russel Brand - “Fauci Is GUILTY!” Rand Paul On Lab Leak Cover-Up, Vaccines & Fauci - Stay Free #316

00:00:01.000 We've also got a fantastic investigation into the relationship between Tucker Carlson and Stuart, John Stuart.

00:00:09.000 It's an interesting moment in our culture when John Stuart re-emerges when he's anti-establishment, anti-dem to a degree, but still anti-Republican and anti-right in the way that he always was.

00:00:20.000 Is there something we can learn from the gaps between the two of them?

00:00:25.000 Things they say, things they don't say, and how politics has changed and what these two figures represent.

00:00:29.000 It's a good conversation.

00:00:30.000 I think you'll enjoy it.

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00:00:35.000 Is it Tucker or is it John Stewart.

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00:00:56.000 Now, before we get into our incredible content, the Rand Paul conversation, the brilliant John Stewart and Tucker Spatt and what that discourse reveals, is it Is the pendulum swinging too far back in Australia?

00:01:09.000 Can you remember a nation more committed to the pandemic than Australia?

00:01:13.000 Maybe Canada.

00:01:14.000 I mean, they went for it, didn't they?

00:01:15.000 With their emergency acts and their bank account freezing.

00:01:18.000 But remember Australia?

00:01:20.000 They did the internment camps.

00:01:22.000 They'll always have that.

00:01:22.000 And it turns out now that Queensland's Supreme Court has found that its COVID-19 vaccine mandates for police and ambulance workers were unlawful.

00:01:32.000 And also now, Chief Health Officer, what's his name that guy?

00:01:35.000 Chris Piat?

00:01:36.000 Chris Piat?

00:01:37.000 Chris Piat was on the thing a minute ago.

00:01:39.000 We'll tell you in a second, I'm sure it's in the article.

00:01:41.000 He has admitted his part in pushing vaccine mandates was dead wrong.

00:01:46.000 So let me know in the chat right now, do you think that the whole narrative is unraveling?

00:01:49.000 Now given that we're still on YouTube, I'm gonna tiptoe around this.

00:01:52.000 I will be very elegant in my appraisal of these issues, but I want you to be very confident, particularly those of you in that rumble stream, not that I see you hold back when it comes to complex issues in the Middle East, religion, politics, culture.

00:02:04.000 You go for it in there, you guys.

00:02:06.000 Let's have a look at what's going on in Australia and has the pendulum swung too far in the other direction?

00:02:13.000 Queensland Supreme Court has ruled that the COVID-19 vaccine mandate... First thing you'll notice is the Australian news!

00:02:19.000 Hey man!

00:02:20.000 Alright, it's Australia!

00:02:22.000 Hey, let's have a bit of noose! 1.00

00:02:23.000 Just because we're doing noose doesn't mean we can't also do some drugs and have some fun.

00:02:27.000 Why don't we take our tops off while we do this?

00:02:29.000 I mean, this isn't... I ain't taking the noose seriously.

00:02:32.000 For emergency services, we're unlawful.

00:02:34.000 Here to explain is today medical... Was unlawful?

00:02:37.000 Oh yeah!

00:02:39.000 Dr. Nick Coates, we're doctor... Who's Dr. Nick?

00:02:41.000 He's gorgeous.

00:02:41.000 I've seen him before, actually.

00:02:42.000 He's good, this guy.

00:02:43.000 Morning to you.

00:02:44.000 This is pretty extraordinary, isn't it?

00:02:45.000 Can you walk us through the ruling?

00:02:47.000 Maybe sashay us through it or dance us through it.

00:02:49.000 Express yourself through movement like we do on the Australian News.

00:02:53.000 It is extraordinary, Carl.

00:02:54.000 Before I do that, I can't do this segment without acknowledging my own role in the system that promoted vaccine mandates.

00:03:01.000 Is that someone connected to the pandemic admitting that they made a mistake?

00:03:09.000 I don't feel like I can take it.

00:03:10.000 I'm going to cry.

00:03:10.000 I'm having a literal Damascene moment here.

00:03:13.000 Like, what?

00:03:14.000 You're taking responsibility for your actions?

00:03:17.000 Yeah, no, I mean, like I said, that you should take the vaccines and that we should all lock down.

00:03:21.000 And in retrospect, looking at the data, that wasn't correct.

00:03:25.000 Heretic! 0.85

00:03:26.000 Apostate! 0.99

00:03:27.000 Like, it's not a religion, is it?

00:03:29.000 You'll see in our conversation with Ram Paul later that there was a line to follow all the way through this pandemic period in its integrity and science.

00:03:37.000 The very words, in fact, or ideas, concepts that were being deployed against the vaccine-hesitant, as they called them.

00:03:43.000 And the very concept, science itself, that has been most subverted, i.e.

00:03:47.000 it became an orthodoxy and an ideology that was highly politicised, rather than just the neutral, objective analysis of information.

00:03:54.000 We look now to Australia, to our new risen king, who admits for the first time in the political sphere that they made a mistake.

00:04:01.000 We have a strong public view that those who choose not to get vaccinated need to He hasn't aged a lot at all.

00:04:14.000 I mean he's obviously been taking them.

00:04:18.000 So he hit him with a stick?

00:04:21.000 Oh mate.

00:04:22.000 But then was not saw the tax collector converted to saw so he's gone from like you know people don't want to take the vaccine hit him with a stick off from the carrot but even if it's a particularly hard carrot you could use that as a stick.

00:04:35.000 I've been hit by a carrot before.

00:04:36.000 It was quite painful.

00:04:37.000 So he's gone from saying use physical coercion in order to get people vaccinated to a mea culpa, an acknowledgement that things are alright.

00:04:45.000 Can you feel yourself beginning to heal?

00:04:47.000 It's more healing than a lot of medications we were offered in the last few years, let me tell you.

00:04:51.000 Including no jab, no pay.

00:04:55.000 No jab, no pay.

00:04:56.000 No jab, no job.

00:04:57.000 No job, no pay.

00:04:58.000 Simple as that.

00:04:59.000 I mean, I suppose at least he didn't go for the alliteration, the leper's bell of poetry, but he did still say no jab, no pay. 0.58

00:05:06.000 But look, he's come right out there and admitted it.

00:05:08.000 Make that happen.

00:05:08.000 I think as a general principle, we could all agree that mandates have a time limited role in a pandemic. The dispute and the question will be

00:05:20.000 how long should that time be and what is a reasonable level of community

00:05:25.000 vaccination to achieve before we we abandon mandates.

00:05:30.000 Dr Nick Coatsworth, you're a hero to me.

00:05:34.000 I look to you as an example, and I mean this in all sincerity.

00:05:38.000 You make a mistake, you admit you made a mistake, you do your best to put it back.

00:05:42.000 Not, you make a mistake, you lie about making a mistake, you make a bunch of laws about your mistake, you conceal your mistake, you conceal the information that people might give to reveal that a mistake was made.

00:05:52.000 This is the sort of stuff that Rand Paul will eat this up with a spoon, as long as it's been well washed.

00:05:58.000 In my view, not quite at the moment.

00:06:00.000 I agree entirely that they're time limited.

00:06:02.000 You rightly point out, Nick, that you're a government official promoting vaccines during the pandemic.

00:06:08.000 You're a big boy.

00:06:09.000 Did you get that?

00:06:09.000 You can defend yourself.

00:06:10.000 Australian news!

00:06:11.000 It's not like you're a big boy.

00:06:12.000 I mean, look at you.

00:06:13.000 Do you mind actually standing up for a moment and seeing exactly what type of boy you are?

00:06:17.000 Put the music back on.

00:06:18.000 Put the music back on!

00:06:19.000 Is that wrong?

00:06:21.000 Well, I think certainly we didn't get it wrong promoting the vaccines, Carl, but... Oh, come on.

00:06:26.000 There's a little further to go.

00:06:28.000 The mandates?

00:06:29.000 Yes, I think we did get that wrong.

00:06:31.000 And I think you can say hindsight is 20-20, but Carl, hindsight gives us foresight.

00:06:37.000 And if we... Well, where's he going now?

00:06:38.000 Hindsight is just foresight plus time, if you think about it.

00:06:42.000 Sorry, it's not only does he like vaccines, he likes DMT.

00:06:46.000 We have another pandemic.

00:06:47.000 We should think long and hard whether mandates for vaccines are justified.

00:06:52.000 That was nice.

00:06:56.000 What an astonishing admission.

00:06:57.000 What a wonderful political moment.

00:06:59.000 What a valuable addition to the ever-growing case against their hostility, confidence, propaganda.

00:07:09.000 That's just for a moment, remember.

00:07:10.000 You know, if you take this thing, it's over.

00:07:12.000 Rachel Maddow.

00:07:14.000 I think we should shame them.

00:07:14.000 Don Lemon.

00:07:16.000 Joe Biden.

00:07:17.000 Just take the vaccine back.

00:07:19.000 It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated. 0.93

00:07:23.000 Where are we now?

00:07:24.000 Astonishing, isn't it, to see how much the world's changed.

00:07:27.000 Now one voice that's been consistent in this period is the author of the new book Deception.

00:07:32.000 Over 500 pages.

00:07:34.000 Fantastic book.

00:07:35.000 Potential?

00:07:37.000 Well, I mean, he's been a presidential candidate before.

00:07:39.000 Will he be again?

00:07:40.000 Rand Paul is an American politician serving as the United States Senator.

00:07:42.000 He's also the author of the newly released book, Deception, the great COVID cover-up.

00:07:47.000 There's a link to it in the description.

00:07:49.000 I think you're going to enjoy this conversation between me and the Senator.

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00:09:00.000 Here's Senator Ram Paul for our conversation.

00:09:04.000 Thank you so much for joining me today on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:09:09.000 Glad to be with you.

00:09:10.000 I hear it's a really big program to be on.

00:09:12.000 So, you know, everybody wants to get on your show.

00:09:14.000 It is a significant cultural artifact.

00:09:17.000 We regularly have outspoken members of a worldwide resistance movement of which you have become a significant voice.

00:09:25.000 And now with your Book Deception.

00:09:27.000 In over 500 pages you have articulated what many people have felt, in fact due in no small part to your own investigations since the outset of the pandemic, that we have been subject to an unprecedented global deceit and that Anthony Fauci plays a central and key role in orchestrating this deceit.

00:09:46.000 What primarily is it that you want us to understand from this book about Anthony Fauci's role in the pandemic and its cover-up?

00:09:55.000 You know, I think we've never had a cover-up.

00:09:57.000 Where the proof of the cover-up and the proof of the deceit, the proof of the lying, is so obvious in the words of the people committing the cover-up.

00:10:06.000 So we had Anthony Fauci and all these virologists publicly saying, you're crazy if you think this came from the lab.

00:10:13.000 It absolutely came from animals.

00:10:15.000 But you have them in private explicitly saying the opposite.

00:10:18.000 Not just hedging their bet, but absolutely saying, wow, this is no conspiracy theory.

00:10:24.000 This looks like the most likely thing.

00:10:26.000 Some of these scientists were saying, eh, I'm 60-40, it came from the lab, or I'm 80-20, or I'm 50-50.

00:10:32.000 But in public they were saying, absolutely no way it came from the lab.

00:10:36.000 So it was a dishonesty on a level that we've never ever been able to prove by actually seeing in their own words how diabolically dishonest they were.

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00:11:25.000 Right, we're off YouTube now.

00:11:28.000 Yes, indeed.

00:11:29.000 In fact, not only were they giving us a deception through omission, but also deception through commission and deception through direct contradiction and the management of information.

00:11:40.000 It demonstrated a level of duplicity that we've seldom seen in public life.

00:11:44.000 I'm speaking in particular of Antony Fauci's intervention at various agencies, including the CIA, the management in particular of what was known as the lab leak theory, but increasingly seems like a Undeniable truth.

00:11:56.000 I wonder, for a moment, if we may take this broader, Senator, what do you think it does to the soul of a nation, to the spirit and morale of a nation, when a deception of this scale is practiced, when we almost see in real time ideas that were dismissed as conspiracy theories, i.e.

00:12:11.000 that gain-of-function research was dangerous, that dual-purpose research was taking place, That potentially America was involved in the funding of the research in Wuhan through groups like EcoHealth Alliance and DARPA and perhaps the figure of Peter Daszak is an interesting one to comment on here.

00:12:29.000 What do you think it does to America's spirit at a time where your country appears to be undergoing a great reckoning?

00:12:36.000 What does an event like this do to the country's soul?

00:12:40.000 What we saw for about three years as these public health officials came before committees was that they kept blaming the right wing and saying, you're responsible for vaccine hesitancy.

00:12:51.000 You're responsible for people distrusting their government.

00:12:54.000 And I pointed right back at them and said, absolutely not.

00:12:56.000 You're responsible because you've lied to the public.

00:12:59.000 You've lost your credibility.

00:13:01.000 And I don't think they ever truly grasped that.

00:13:04.000 But in the end, it's amazing to me how smart people actually are. 1.00

00:13:08.000 Because the elitist point of view is that the common man is too stupid to take care of himself, too stupid to make his health care decisions. 1.00

00:13:16.000 But interestingly with this, if you ask a poll of how many moms are vaccinating their six months old in the United States, it's like a handful. 1.00

00:13:25.000 You know, they're from the Act Blue Coalition or something, but they're not normal people. 0.83

00:13:30.000 But very few people are vaccinating their kids because they see no reason, it's not a deadly disease for kids, and they have read about that there's a possibility that my kid could have a side effect from the vaccine, but there's not much possibility that my kid could get very sick from the disease.

00:13:45.000 So I think the people have gotten smarter on this, but vaccine distrust and distrust of government has grown exponentially because of their dishonesty.

00:13:54.000 Indeed, we are seeing now what we commonly refer to as mainstream or legacy media.

00:13:59.000 It seems to me at least an attempt to mitigate the unavoidable deluge of truth that they are now being confronted with.

00:14:07.000 I know that now Pfizer and the CDC have participated in the funding of a broad study that at least begins to acknowledge pericarditis, myocarditis as well as other conditions and just how many yellow card and adverse injuries there have been as a result of this extraordinary product.

00:14:23.000 At the beginning of your over 500-page book, you talk about Li Wenliang, who died under what sounded like suspicious circumstances in China around the outbreak of coronavirus.

00:14:35.000 Could you tell me why you see Li Wenliang as a significant figure and what exactly their story encapsulates?

00:14:44.000 You know, he was a 33-year-old ophthalmologist, so I was drawn to him because 30 years ago, I was a young ophthalmologist like him.

00:14:52.000 He saw these people dying from an unknown virus of unknown origin or a pneumonia of unknown origin, and so he decided he'd do what he thought was the right thing.

00:15:03.000 He would spread the word to fellow physicians that it looks like this is happening again.

00:15:07.000 Most of these people remembered or knew about 2002, 2003.

00:15:12.000 When SARS-1 came about, and so he was warning people, it's here again.

00:15:16.000 But for that warning, the government arrested him.

00:15:19.000 He was accused of spreading gossip.

00:15:21.000 He was accused of spreading discord and ultimately of spreading misinformation.

00:15:27.000 For that, he was made to sign a confession.

00:15:30.000 He was released only when he signed a public humiliation confession that he had done wrong to the state and he was allowed to go.

00:15:39.000 But then, mysteriously, he gets COVID.

00:15:42.000 Maybe not mysterious that he got it.

00:15:43.000 A lot of people were getting COVID.

00:15:45.000 But the death rate for a healthy 33-year-old is about 4 out of 10,000.

00:15:51.000 And it might have been higher in China.

00:15:54.000 It's hard to know what to believe, because they said almost nobody died in China.

00:15:58.000 And we do think millions of people died, even just in Wuhan.

00:16:01.000 But it's extraordinary that he died, and I think there are always questions when people die in a totalitarian country because there's a lack of transparency all over Chinese Weibo, their email chat.

00:16:16.000 All that night, people were going, we knew you'd do this.

00:16:19.000 We knew this would happen in the middle of the night.

00:16:22.000 And they're used to this.

00:16:24.000 If you remember the guy trying to stare down the Chinese tanks At Tiananmen Square.

00:16:29.000 Nobody knows what happened to him to this day.

00:16:30.000 I think nobody really knows his name.

00:16:32.000 So that's what happens in China.

00:16:35.000 It seems like another extraordinary example of how we are being exposed to unexpected corollaries between anglophonic nations such as ours and this previously presumed communist dictatorship.

00:16:48.000 I wonder if the new ways of categorising misinformation and malinformation, as well as the state's power to crush dissent through campaigns, as you've just described in the instance of Li Wenliang, are becoming increasingly common here, as well as the undue and evidently misguided compliance that was able to be induced in the populations of both your country and mine.

00:17:12.000 What does this tell us about increasing authoritarianism and centralised power, Senator?

00:17:18.000 See, I think that's the point of this book in some ways, is that we kind of expect a totalitarian country to crush dissent, we expect them to weld people into apartments, but we don't expect the West, the liberalized West, to applaud it.

00:17:33.000 You know, Anthony Fauci was quite proud of the Chinese and many of the public health doctors in our country lamented the fact that we couldn't act like the Chinese because we had that, what's that terrible thing called?

00:17:44.000 Oh yeah, the Bill of Rights.

00:17:46.000 And so because of that, they couldn't do all the things they thought would be just great, you know, to shut down this disease.

00:17:52.000 And I don't think any of those things work anyway.

00:17:54.000 I don't think you can stop a virus.

00:17:55.000 I think a virus is going to virus no matter what you do.

00:17:58.000 It pretty much goes on until you get immunity.

00:18:01.000 And you get immunity through a couple of ways, naturally or through a vaccine.

00:18:05.000 But until the vast majority has immunity, the virus spreads despite all things to stop it.

00:18:12.000 But I do think that the story is, is that we began to act like these totalitarian countries.

00:18:18.000 So, the young ophthalmologist was arrested for spreading misinformation.

00:18:23.000 That's exactly became the watchword of the left in our country and across Europe.

00:18:28.000 They began shutting down speech that gave a contrary opinion.

00:18:32.000 And this is very, very dangerous.

00:18:34.000 It's more dangerous than COVID.

00:18:36.000 The loss or the shutting down of speech in the free countries of the world is more dangerous than the virus itself.

00:18:42.000 And that still goes on to this day.

00:18:44.000 The left that once stood up for the First Amendment in our country, Some of them are the loudest saying, we're not doing enough.

00:18:51.000 We have to get rid of this misinformation.

00:18:53.000 And they have a lack of irony that it would be the responsibility of them to decide what is true.

00:19:00.000 It's sort of like, oh, I'm a partisan Democrat, and I'm going to decide that what partisan Republicans are saying is not true.

00:19:06.000 Who in their right mind would think that that is a way to have a full-throated debate?

00:19:10.000 I would never, in my wildest dreams, think that I could shut a Democrat down or somebody I disagreed with.

00:19:16.000 Because I believe in freedom of speech.

00:19:17.000 But it's amazing that the opposite is not true.

00:19:20.000 They are somehow so righteous and so sure of the truth, most of whom are not scientists and know nothing about science, are so certain of the science that they're willing to shut down anyone's opinion they disagree with.

00:19:33.000 The politicization of this issue was, it seems, used to undergird a new orthodoxy that apparently

00:19:40.000 always had as its aim the kind of authoritarianism that doesn't think twice about censoring and

00:19:47.000 controlling information that is not advantageous to its previously concealed agenda.

00:19:53.000 Within the figure of Anthony Fauci, who lived through a kind of live hagiography during

00:19:59.000 this extraordinary period, we were able to see another curious aspect of American public

00:20:05.000 life, the unelected bureaucrat consuming and demonstrating power at a level that is difficult

00:20:12.000 to find a comparison for.

00:20:14.000 He was given an extraordinary ride in the media, Anthony Fauci.

00:20:17.000 I feel like I saw live song and dance numbers take place.

00:20:21.000 People even, in fact, sexualizing Anthony Fauci at points, taking him to... Oh, please, please, stop.

00:20:27.000 We've got to stop there.

00:20:29.000 Stop! 1.00

00:20:30.000 I have the footage, I have the footage!

00:20:34.000 I wonder what you feel is the role of what has come to be termed the legacy media in creating this somewhat unaccountable hero, Anthony Fauci, who's now just admitted that the figure of a six-foot separation we just pulled out of the air that masks weren't effective, while previously having made the ludicrous claim that he, you know, I am science.

00:20:55.000 How did the media contribute to the creation of this figure?

00:20:59.000 So, just for fun, we will occasionally write op-eds that we submit to either the New York Times or the Washington Post, because they always reject them.

00:21:08.000 Every time they reject them.

00:21:10.000 We can't get anything published.

00:21:11.000 So we sent over to them a comparison between J. Edgar Hoover and Anthony Fauci.

00:21:17.000 Because there are similarities.

00:21:19.000 They both were in power about the same period of time, 40 some odd years.

00:21:23.000 They both accumulated power over that time and the power went to their head and they had their own personal fiefdoms.

00:21:29.000 This can happen whether you're FBI director or head of infectious disease.

00:21:33.000 Now you would have never thought the head of infectious disease would become so powerful.

00:21:37.000 But, you know, Bobby Kennedy's been pretty good at writing about this.

00:21:41.000 He writes, and I think has drawn more attention to this than many people, is that a lot of this happened after 9-11.

00:21:47.000 So after 9-11, there was a great deal of fear.

00:21:50.000 We passed the Patriot Act, taking away civil liberties in our country, but we also ramp up our arms trade.

00:21:56.000 And in our arms, our armamentarian is bioweapons.

00:22:01.000 And we say, well, gosh, the enemy is making this and the enemy is trying to take Ebola and spread it through the air.

00:22:07.000 Well, we should do so we can learn how to counteract it.

00:22:10.000 And so everything is, you know, an escalation, the same as there's a nuclear arms race.

00:22:14.000 There's also a biological arms race that goes on.

00:22:17.000 But what happened is Anthony Fauci was head of like one twenty seventh of all of NIH.

00:22:23.000 His fiefdom grew in dollars to come to dominate all of NIH.

00:22:28.000 And it's one of the reasons why, in the end, nobody knew Francis Collins' name, and still don't, but they all knew Anthony Fauci's name.

00:22:35.000 One, he was a TV hog.

00:22:36.000 He loved the camera.

00:22:37.000 But two, his budget dwarfed all the other budgets.

00:22:40.000 And he also became somebody who routinely was visiting with the spooks.

00:22:45.000 And this is one of the things that I learned in the book is almost all these people granting scientific grants, you would think they're these just ivory-towered scientists who are like trying to cure disease for mankind.

00:22:57.000 They're meeting with the CIA and the MI5 and the MI6 in England.

00:23:03.000 Welcome Trust that was headed by Jeremy Farrar, who's a big player in all of this.

00:23:09.000 He's talking to his boss at Welcome Trust.

00:23:11.000 And oh, by the way, she's the former head of MI5.

00:23:15.000 So it's like all these people who are involved with science are also involved with intelligence, which really tells you there's a lot more going on here than they're letting us see.

00:23:24.000 Yes, but it was Bobby Kennedy's analysis that first helped me to understand that there'd been a historic teleology from declared international wars which are identifiable, like the Second World War, to the subsequent Cold War, to the War on Terror, To the war on germs and the war on ideas, all used to, I suppose, through a kind of diffuse subterfuge, legitimize more and more authoritarian measures, even though the enemy is becoming harder and harder to quantify.

00:23:59.000 Bobby Kennedy also, just on a side note, says that you should succeed Mitch McConnell.

00:24:04.000 He posted about that today.

00:24:06.000 Is that something that you would consider?

00:24:09.000 Uh, well, all I need is 25 votes.

00:24:11.000 If someone can find me 25 reasonable Republicans.

00:24:14.000 No, it's difficult.

00:24:15.000 It's a, it's a club.

00:24:16.000 You know, it's a very small club.

00:24:19.000 And if we have about 50, you gotta have about 25.

00:24:23.000 The reason McConnell has been able to stay in power is that he goes to the corporate heads, the CEO heads of all the big business.

00:24:31.000 He gathers money, more money than you can put in a bag.

00:24:33.000 It's like $300 million he gathers.

00:24:37.000 A million, a couple million at a time.

00:24:39.000 And then this money goes to support candidates that vote for him within the caucus.

00:24:44.000 And many of them are unable to raise money very well for themselves, they're not very well known in their communities, and they're deathly afraid of the voters.

00:24:52.000 This is something people don't quite understand or isn't reported as much as it should be.

00:24:57.000 Most of these incumbent senators are deathly afraid of their voters, including their own party.

00:25:02.000 They go home to their own conventions and they're booed at their conventions.

00:25:06.000 So the hardcore people who work in the political world, in the conventions of their state, they know these people aren't representing them.

00:25:14.000 So I routinely will put forward things that I know that no good person in this state supports, and then we'll try to let people know how their senator voted because they have no idea.

00:25:25.000 This disjunct between the electorate and the institutions that nominally serve them has become increasingly exposed.

00:25:33.000 One of the clear themes of the pandemic period was deep state intervention when it came to matters of media and the control of information.

00:25:41.000 It was Mike Benz that recently coined the term, which I think is interesting when people say democracy now, as in we must go to war in order to defend democracy.

00:25:50.000 They mean a set of institutions that are owned by elite interests as opposed to the process of elections via which the will of the people might have been expressed.

00:25:59.000 Do you feel that fissures have opened up during the pandemic period that are going to be very difficult to close?

00:26:05.000 You've already mentioned That trust in science and trust in vaccines has fallen radically and it seems to me that there's an attempt to try to address and redress that or create systems of authority that don't require public complicity.

00:26:17.000 Do you feel that there is a great mistrust in American public officials in some part brought about by Anthony Fauci and I like your comparison to Hoover because you know Anthony Fauci liked dressing up in that mask that apparently did very little and we know that Hoover had some interesting clandestine habits in that area also.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, I think that the thing I worry most about coming out of this is the idea that there's different standards of justice.

00:26:46.000 You know, one of the things that almost tore America apart back in the 50s and 60s was the idea that if your skin were black, you wouldn't be treated with equal protection under the law, that you were going to be treated differently according to your skin color.

00:26:59.000 We have gotten past that to a great degree over many decades, but now my fear is that people are being treated differently based on the shade of their ideology, whether what your beliefs are on vaccine or who you follow politically or whose podcast you listen to.

00:27:15.000 Because Anthony Fauci is clearly guilty of lying to Congress about the gain of function, about funding gain of function research.

00:27:23.000 He's guilty of lying in his own words, because we now have slack emails from February 1st, 2020, when he says explicitly they're doing gain-of-function research.

00:27:32.000 He lists the research, which is the research he had funded, and he says he knew they were doing it from the very beginning.

00:27:39.000 From the first email, this is the amazing thing of this cover-up.

00:27:43.000 The first email we have a record of is January 27th, 2020.

00:27:47.000 Fauci gets an email from his assistant.

00:27:49.000 He says, wanted you to see this paper, this gain of function paper in Wuhan that we funded.

00:27:56.000 That's the first email, January 27th.

00:27:59.000 And then the rest of the time is Fauci publicly saying, nothing to see here.

00:28:03.000 We never funded gain of function.

00:28:05.000 But he never is prosecuted and won't be prosecuted.

00:28:08.000 But people from the previous administration who either were accused of lying or may have lied to Congress are still being prosecuted.

00:28:14.000 People who came to the Capitol on January 6th but never entered, that were milling around looking like this and didn't do anything, are still being pursued for jail.

00:28:25.000 But if you came here to protest Kavanaugh's, you know, about a hundred women lay on the floor and wouldn't leave. 0.99

00:28:31.000 They were trespassing in the Senate buildings and they were moved, but they were taken.

00:28:36.000 I don't know if any of them ever got a ticket, but none of them went to jail.

00:28:39.000 If they were booked, they were let go.

00:28:41.000 That's what typically happened to protesters in our country if you didn't hurt somebody.

00:28:45.000 But that's not what's happening with January 6th.

00:28:47.000 So people are worried that there's two standards of justice now, and that will lead to further problems.

00:28:52.000 It may lead to strife in our country.

00:28:55.000 Certainly the judiciary has been weaponised in the manner that you've described and perhaps in particular against Donald Trump.

00:29:03.000 I wonder if with the recent decision to defer to the Supreme Court it's likely now that the Democrats will ramp up the hysteria around this issue rather than, as many have suggested, undertaking a deep reckoning about the inability of their party to appeal at this point even to their Do you feel that there are crises now in American political life that are unprecedented?

00:29:30.000 That regardless of the outcome of the next election, America may never again heal?

00:29:36.000 That secession becomes a realistic possibility?

00:29:38.000 That the assumption that the nation of the United States in its current form is permanent is starting to be exposed for the illusion that we know that all temporal conditions ultimately are?

00:29:50.000 You know, I never used to think it would be possible that a state legislature could change the rules on the statute of limitations and a woman from 30 years ago could accuse him of something.

00:30:00.000 He said, she said things are very difficult.

00:30:02.000 Who do you believe?

00:30:03.000 One side or the other, particularly the longer you are away from what may or may not have happened.

00:30:08.000 But this was beyond the statute of limitations.

00:30:10.000 There was no legal way for her to bring this forward.

00:30:14.000 They changed the law.

00:30:15.000 She brings it forward.

00:30:17.000 She says she remembers it distinctly because she's wearing a certain jacket that was made 10 years after she says she was attacked.

00:30:24.000 Nothing about what she says fits very well, and he denies it, and there is no proof.

00:30:29.000 And you're going to give her $80 million? 0.89

00:30:30.000 I mean, that's ridiculous.

00:30:32.000 Then they sue him for, oh, maybe his estimates on his buildings weren't properly.

00:30:37.000 But the banks didn't sue him, and he paid them all back, and there is no grieving party.

00:30:41.000 This is a weaponization we have never, ever seen before.

00:30:45.000 But it's going to destroy New York.

00:30:46.000 New York's already got an exodus of wealthy people.

00:30:49.000 You think anybody's going to want to do business with the chance that an old girlfriend could call from 30 years ago and get 80 million from them?

00:30:55.000 And it's done because they hate Donald Trump.

00:30:58.000 It's not going to be done if you are somehow a follower of Democrat politics.

00:31:04.000 It's going to be done if they hate your politics.

00:31:06.000 But that's a real problem.

00:31:07.000 The only way it gets solved in a way that doesn't lead to further problems would be the Supreme Court Take all of these cases and simply say, we're not going to use our courts to go after politicians.

00:31:19.000 We're not a banana republic.

00:31:21.000 We're not going to act like it.

00:31:23.000 And all of these are wash.

00:31:24.000 I don't know legally where they can take them all up, but I would assume they're going to try to get to the Supreme Court If they all do and the Supreme Court does that, they could essentially wash the slate on this.

00:31:34.000 But if he's forced out of business or forced into bankruptcy because of this, $300 billion is not chump change.

00:31:42.000 He's got to come up with all of the interest.

00:31:44.000 It adds up to $400 or $500 million by the time you get the interest going.

00:31:47.000 And it's just patently unfair.

00:31:52.000 But I think it's also getting the public more to his side.

00:31:54.000 I mean, nobody could touch him in the primary after he was indicted.

00:31:58.000 Now he looks like he's running ahead in battleground states, despite not always saying the appropriate thing or even the best thing.

00:32:08.000 He's now running ahead in battleground states because people think he's being treated unfairly.

00:32:12.000 I think it's oddly comparable to the point you made about vaccine uptakes in medicines that are not related to the pandemic, i.e.

00:32:20.000 ordinary childhood vaccines.

00:32:22.000 The trust in the establishment and its institutions is so low that a figure that epitomises anti-establishment sentiment, and perhaps even more deeply the emotions that undergird that, will increase in popularity the more he is attacked.

00:32:38.000 By the establishment, given that it's unlikely that the Democrat Party have any other weapon to deploy other than this judicial artillery, because to address the problems, if you want to regard it from this perspective, that led to the rise of Trump, i.e.

00:32:52.000 inequality, corruption, the donor class, corporatisation of America, the globalisation of US politics, The necessity for forever wars.

00:33:00.000 Because these issues cannot be touched and cannot be dealt with, this ongoing judicial process, I suppose, is the only option.

00:33:07.000 Given that I imagine, Senator, that you're a man who has some contretemps and distinctions even within your own party, do you see the rise of figures like Donald Trump, and perhaps yet more specifically, Robert Kennedy, as an appetite for more independent political movements?

00:33:24.000 And do you see that there could be a future in which America was not the bipartisan or as some would say uniparty institution that it currently is.

00:33:35.000 You're seeing the term more and more on the internet, but you're also seeing it used by many of us who are rebelling against the leadership of the Senate, calling it the Uni Party.

00:33:44.000 I can remember even back to when I was a kid, I would come up here as a child, as an intern, and work in my dad's office, and he always commented that the top of the committee, Republican or Democrat, were the same.

00:33:55.000 There was only differences as you worked your way down the committee to newer members.

00:33:59.000 As they rose up the ranks, they became the same, and there really was not a dime's worth of difference between both parties.

00:34:05.000 It's still to a large degree that way, particularly on foreign policy, on believing this old Cold War mentality that we have to, you know, if Ukraine falls, Poland falls, and the dominoes will fall, and Russia will be in England, and Russia will be on our shores, and nonsense, because Russia can't even Take over Ukraine.

00:34:28.000 They don't seem to have the ability to even conquer a smaller country next to them.

00:34:33.000 But the thing is, is that mentality is in both parties.

00:34:36.000 They're the ones who want to send unlimited money to Ukraine.

00:34:40.000 They're the Republicans who say, well, we're fiscally conservative, except for when it comes to military might and military intervention around the world, which means they're not really fiscally conservative.

00:34:50.000 And I tried that line when I ran for president in 2016.

00:34:53.000 I said, look, none of these guys are fiscally conservative.

00:34:55.000 You can't be fiscally conservative unless you're willing to save money, both on the welfare front and the warfare front.

00:35:02.000 It doesn't mean we eliminate either one of them, but you got to save money on both fronts.

00:35:05.000 Instead, we do the opposite and the compromise.

00:35:08.000 There's always a compromise.

00:35:10.000 There'll be a compromise this week, today, and next week.

00:35:12.000 We'll spend more money on warfare and welfare.

00:35:16.000 And then we'll send some to Ukraine, some to Taiwan, it'll all go out the door, but it'll all be borrowed and we'll be another trillion and a half in debt, further in debt, in one year.

00:35:26.000 In your excellent book, Deception, you quote the poet Parveen Shakir, who uses the image of fireflies being caught in daylight as the way in which the, what is currently called the censorship industrial complex, are able to manage information, to conceal truths, This incredible ability that the establishment, for want of a better term, has to control our spaces of reality surely needs to be interrupted.

00:35:48.000 anachronistic historical analogy in order to reframe conflicts that bear no

00:35:53.000 real comparison to the conflicts of the last century. This incredible ability

00:35:58.000 that the establishment, for want of a better term, has to control our spaces of

00:36:02.000 reality surely needs to be interrupted. Do you believe that we have a

00:36:06.000 significant problem when it comes to censorship right now, in particular

00:36:11.000 during the pandemic, it was acknowledged that true information was censored,

00:36:15.000 legitimate science was controlled.

00:36:17.000 The Barrington Declaration, is that the thing that Jay Bhattacharya did?

00:36:23.000 I wonder what you consider to be the power of the state to use proxies to crush dissenting voices.

00:36:29.000 What a problem that is.

00:36:30.000 I've certainly experienced it myself as a matter of fact, and I wonder what your view of that matter is.

00:36:35.000 I do worry about the government's involvement with big tech and with social media platforms.

00:36:42.000 Throughout all of this, we've discovered that the FBI and Homeland Security are meeting weekly with all of the major tech platforms and coercing and pushing and cajoling them to take down information.

00:36:56.000 That, I think, goes against our First Amendment, and I have a bill to make that illegal.

00:37:01.000 I would prevent any government employee from meeting with anybody from the media to discuss removing constitutionally protected speech.

00:37:09.000 The reason we write it that way is there are some speech they claim would be in danger

00:37:14.000 or insightful.

00:37:15.000 They'll still be allowed to talk about that.

00:37:17.000 There are things that are criminal.

00:37:18.000 They should be allowed to talk to media about things that are criminal on their platforms.

00:37:22.000 But whether or not you think a mask works is an opinion, and it can be based on science,

00:37:27.000 but it has something the government should have no viewpoint in that and should have

00:37:31.000 no power in suppressing it.

00:37:33.000 So I have a bill to do that, but I can't get a Democrat on board.

00:37:36.000 I've tried talking to the couple of Democrats who I think are reasonable, and one of them said this to me.

00:37:42.000 He said, well, we have to be able to police disinformation, and what if the Republicans tell everybody that the election's on Wednesday instead of on Tuesday?

00:37:52.000 And I kind of thought this to myself.

00:37:54.000 I didn't tell him. 1.00

00:37:54.000 I said, well, gosh, if people are that stupid, maybe they shouldn't vote. 1.00

00:37:57.000 But I didn't say that. 1.00

00:37:59.000 But that's what their worry is. 0.99

00:38:00.000 They think the government, that people are too stupid and that they would actually not vote or, oh, text in the name of your candidate and that'll be your vote. 0.99

00:38:10.000 Nobody believes that. 1.00

00:38:12.000 I mean, if anybody is that moronic, really, do they need to be voting? 0.97

00:38:16.000 But I don't think it really works. 0.98

00:38:18.000 But they're so alarmed that we need the government to prevent people from suppressing the vote by telling them dishonest nonsense on the internet.

00:38:26.000 People are way too smart for that.

00:38:27.000 People know how to vote.

00:38:29.000 We got all kinds of mechanisms to tell people how the vote is.

00:38:32.000 But no Democrat will sign on to this.

00:38:34.000 They think it's okay for the FBI and Homeland Security.

00:38:37.000 They didn't used to think that was right.

00:38:39.000 I mean, in the 50s and 60s and maybe 70s, the left were the protectors of the First Amendment.

00:38:44.000 The right wasn't very good.

00:38:46.000 And now the left doesn't seem to care at all.

00:38:48.000 They want more government.

00:38:50.000 They want more censorship.

00:38:51.000 They worry that there's too much disinformation out there. 1.00

00:38:55.000 It's this assumption of our collective and indeed individual stupidity that I find most offensive. 0.97

00:39:02.000 The idea of the government intervention between information and us as its recipients that I find most offensive. 0.97

00:39:10.000 Sir, if I may pass on a question from our audience.

00:39:12.000 We have a small audience watching us live now of our supporters.

00:39:14.000 May I pass on one of their questions?

00:39:20.000 Is that okay?

00:39:21.000 May I pass that on?

00:39:22.000 Oh yeah, sure.

00:39:22.000 I didn't know you were asking me.

00:39:23.000 I thought I was going to hear the question.

00:39:25.000 I was asking politely.

00:39:26.000 I detect from your accent that you're a gentleman of the South.

00:39:29.000 I'm an Englishman.

00:39:29.000 This is a forum where manners must come to the very forefront.

00:39:33.000 The question is, from atkarina14, as more and more evidence emerges that health agencies on a global scale misled and most likely harmed many people, what kind of actual accountability can there be given the scale of the offence?

00:39:47.000 He was talking about harm from the vaccine?

00:39:49.000 Yes, sir.

00:39:52.000 This has been a discussion for a long period of time, and we discussed this in the book.

00:39:56.000 Congress gave liability protection so there is no harm to be held to these people.

00:40:01.000 They can serve up whatever you want, and it'd be bad enough if it were voluntary, but it's being pushed on you.

00:40:07.000 Many people lose their jobs if they're not vaccinated, but if they're harmed by the vaccine, they have no recourse.

00:40:12.000 Now, they set up some big vaccine database and then an ability to get some money from the government.

00:40:18.000 But it's not the same because it doesn't chasten at all the companies.

00:40:23.000 And really, the insidious part of this is that it's mandatory.

00:40:27.000 And then, you know, you got the former FDA commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, is on the board of Pfizer, who is then calling Twitter to say, take down this article saying you might be harmed by vaccinating your children.

00:40:41.000 That's how bad it is that the former FDA commissioner is now on the board of Pfizer, is now telling Twitter to take down information on this.

00:40:50.000 So it's disturbing, but it's been going on since the 1970s.

00:40:53.000 My dad fought against it, was one of the few people to vote against giving liability protection to the vaccine manufacturers.

00:41:02.000 On the other side of it, they would argue, well, the government mandates these things.

00:41:05.000 Why should people sue us?

00:41:06.000 We're not mandating them.

00:41:07.000 The government's mandating them.

00:41:09.000 So the government should be responsible for it.

00:41:11.000 But if they're not responsible for their own products, I don't think they're going to work as hard to try to do no harm, you know, to make sure that there's not a harmful aspect.

00:41:21.000 And these things were pushed out so fast, if they had been voluntary in every aspect, you could at least say people who were frightened could take them, people at high risk could take them, but they were pushed out and then pushed on healthy people who didn't need the vaccines, and that really is a crime and somebody should be punished, particularly the government.

00:41:39.000 The Anthony Fauci's of this world who pushed nonsense and bad science on us, that now he just throws up his hands and says, oh well, we didn't really know.

00:41:48.000 We liked six feet, but we didn't really know why we said six feet of distance.

00:41:52.000 There was no science.

00:41:53.000 But on the children, I have gone directly at Anthony Fauci on the vaccine for children and said, does it reduce transmission?

00:42:00.000 No.

00:42:01.000 Does it reduce hospitalization or death?

00:42:04.000 And he says, well, we don't know.

00:42:06.000 And I said, well, the reason you don't know is that no child is going to the hospital or dying right now.

00:42:11.000 No healthy child.

00:42:12.000 There are exceptions to every rule, but no healthy child with no significant disease is going to the hospital and dying from COVID.

00:42:18.000 It is not a deadly disease for healthy children.

00:42:21.000 If your child has an illness, you talk to your doctor and you can make your own decision.

00:42:25.000 But The vaccine isn't doing anything for healthy children.

00:42:29.000 And it's all it's doing is doing to the bottom line of big pharma.

00:42:32.000 So Anthony Fauci and his ilk have basically become salesmen for big pharma.

00:42:37.000 And this is sort of the tragedy of crony capitalism.

00:42:41.000 And I think we have to keep fighting it.

00:42:43.000 Thank you very much.

00:42:44.000 I think I'm getting the round up.

00:42:46.000 I got I got to unfortunately go to the floor.

00:42:49.000 Good luck out there.

00:42:50.000 Thank you very much for representing.

00:42:52.000 Thanks for being one of the few people I've asked significant and important questions to people that should be held accountable.

00:42:58.000 I'm grateful to you.

00:42:58.000 Thank you.

00:42:59.000 Thank you.

00:43:02.000 Thank you, Rand Paul, for joining us on Stay Free.

00:43:04.000 Remember, you can get that book, Deception, the great COVID cover up by clicking the link in your description right now.

00:43:09.000 Hopefully, they'll be able to track how many he sold as a result of this appearance, and it will increase our prominence in the space.

00:43:15.000 Now, listen, Tucker Carlson called Jon Stewart a tool of the regime in response to Jon Stewart's bit criticizing Tucker's Vladimir Putin interview.

00:43:25.000 Is the media missing vital viewpoints from both men in its appetite to create its latest polarized battle in the culture war?

00:43:31.000 Of course it is.

00:43:33.000 I'm so sorry you had to hear that.

00:43:34.000 Here's the news.

00:43:35.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:43:37.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News.

00:43:39.000 Here's the news. 1.00

00:43:40.000 No, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:43:42.000 Tucker Carlson has called Jon Stewart a tool of the establishment, 0.99

00:43:46.000 where Jon Stewart thinks that Tucker is just, well, a tool.

00:43:48.000 But in this phony polarisation and culture war, are we missing the real message here that both these anti-establishment figures have more to teach us than anyone from the homogenised, uniparty, authoritarian centre?

00:44:02.000 Surely this is an important moment where a figure like Tucker Carlson, despised and loathed on the left, but adored by many.

00:44:09.000 And Tucker Carlson, let me say it outright out front, I consider him to be my friend.

00:44:14.000 And the reason I like Tucker Carlson is because I see him as like an old school conservative, maybe, who is willing to just come out and say, I'm a free speech absolutist.

00:44:22.000 I'm absolutely against war.

00:44:24.000 He's come on our shows.

00:44:25.000 He's been clear and open.

00:44:26.000 And I would expect to disagree with anybody on a variety of political subjects.

00:44:30.000 But with Tucker Carlson, I think he has good values and good principles.

00:44:33.000 That is not what Jon Stewart thinks, though.

00:44:35.000 He thinks that Tucker Carlson ought be a pariah.

00:44:37.000 I've heard him say that Tucker Carlson is deliberately evil.

00:44:40.000 And on his return to The Daily Show, he's made Tucker Carlson one of his targets.

00:44:44.000 And that makes sense when you understand the old rubric of left versus right.

00:44:47.000 But I think politics has changed since Jon Stewart has last on television.

00:44:51.000 Let's be clear here.

00:44:52.000 Jon Stewart is an excellent comedian.

00:44:55.000 Excellent!

00:44:56.000 He understands comedy, he understands delivery, he understands character.

00:44:59.000 He's an exceptionally gifted comic and I think a vital, incredible voice in our cultural space.

00:45:05.000 That's why I think it's fascinating to see the two of them at Loggerhead.

00:45:09.000 But are we going to miss a real opportunity here?

00:45:11.000 When Tucker Carlson is a figure of the right, let's say for simplicity's sake, who is virulently anti-establishment, John Stewart is a figure of the left who is very pro-ordinary working people, who is critical of the establishment and yet is confined to certain areas of topicality and we'll point them out as we go.

00:45:31.000 But is there more to There's more to learn from both of these figures, their popularity and their ability than we could ever learn from the centralised, homogenised, authoritarian, centralist figures that dominate our cultural space these days.

00:45:45.000 I.e.

00:45:45.000 Jon Stewart is whip funny, fast, amusing and right on.

00:45:50.000 Tucker Carlson understands how to reach a wide audience with ethics and morals that clearly resonate with vast, almost incomparable numbers of people.

00:46:01.000 This is showbiz in a way, but politics and media have changed since Jon Stewart was last on TV.

00:46:06.000 And if we were to find an energy and a charge between these two poles rather than repulsion in that magnetic power, we might find the source for new political movements that could be a genuine challenge to the American war machine and global corporatism.

00:46:21.000 Let's get into it.

00:46:23.000 Just out of curiosity, as a student, Firstly, how Jon Stewart did this was well funny.

00:46:27.000 He sets up the bit that he's like learning from Tucker Carlson as a journalist, not a lie about what you do.

00:46:32.000 He did this in a very, very amusing and brilliant way.

00:46:36.000 As someone who does this kind of thing for a living, when I see Jon Stewart do it, I think, wow, that guy, he's really good at this.

00:46:41.000 They turn these ideas around fast.

00:46:43.000 They find the comedy in the ideas.

00:46:45.000 But what I'm interested in is what Why Jon Stewart never points out that Tucker Carlson is consistently anti-war.

00:46:51.000 Watching Jon Stewart deconstruct and attack Tucker Carlson on the basis of his interview with Putin is interesting but I also would argue this was a really important interview and that in attacking Tucker Carlson Even though he does it brilliantly and amusingly, he is, to a degree, doing the job of the establishment, because if the Democrat party could press a button and prevent that interview from happening, they would have pressed that button, because I think millions of people who never would have had access to it before saw Vladimir Putin clearly conveying a very particular perspective which could be called, easily, propaganda, but certainly includes things like, we are interested in a diplomatic solution, we always made it clear that if Ukraine joined NATO it would be a problem,

00:47:29.000 And not only that, these are things that we were all aware of and discussing prior to the interview.

00:47:34.000 The 2014 coup in Ukraine and the way that's played out.

00:47:36.000 And subsequently, even newspapers like the New York Times have published that the CIA have bases inside Ukraine and have been agitating and provoking a war.

00:47:44.000 So you can't call it an unprovoked war anymore.

00:47:46.000 So what I'm saying is, I wonder, is it possible that you could feel, as Jon Stewart does, a kind of antipathy and even disdain for Tucker Carlson?

00:47:53.000 And yet acknowledge Tucker Carlson's right, and therefore his audience's right, to share the views that they clearly do, and to oppose the opinions of Jon Stewart, but find common ground when it comes to a general agreement that you can't trust the American military-industrial complex, a subject upon which Tucker Carlson is very strong, and to which this interview is integrally related, because isn't the big establishment fear here that we'll hear Vladimir Putin say stuff that makes us not want to fund an ongoing Ukraine-Russia war?

00:48:22.000 And haven't you already heard a bunch of stuff that makes you think that diplomacy might be better than continuing to allow Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc.

00:48:30.000 all to profit from that ongoing war? 0.96

00:48:33.000 When you're sitting there interviewing Putin and you don't plan to challenge his utter bullshit, but you don't want to really be that obvious, what do you do with your face? 0.99

00:48:44.000 Oh, I see. 0.97

00:48:47.000 Okay, so it's not really a straight face, as much as you try to convey a mixture of what appears to be shame, arousal, and... I'm gonna say irregularity.

00:49:01.000 For instance, like you're constipated while jerking off to a Sears catalog.

00:49:07.000 This, I suppose, shows you the power of comedy, because that's an entirely constructed idea designed to ridicule, and it's a successful one, and it's the kind of thing that comedians should be able to do, and clearly do rather well. 0.60

00:49:19.000 And it's one of the things that's slowly getting extricated from our culture, the ability to be cruel in good faith.

00:49:25.000 Although this is, of course, not a well-intended bit, this is a polarizing bit.

00:49:30.000 I maintain Josh Stewart is an anti-establishment figure when it comes to being critical of corruption.

00:49:35.000 Did you see his interview with that Pentagon official when it came to the subject of failing audits?

00:49:41.000 An $850 billion budget to an organisation that can't pass an audit and tell you where that money went, I think most people would consider that somewhere in the realm of waste, fraud or abuse because they would wonder why that money isn't well accounted for.

00:49:58.000 What I'm trying to drive us towards here is the possibility of a kind of acceptance that there's a space that's neither Democrat or Republican in the former sense, but is a more decentralized, autonomous, truly democratic, anti-establishment position.

00:50:11.000 Could it ever emerge?

00:50:12.000 Here we go.

00:50:13.000 So I guess you put in 10 rubles here and you get it back.

00:50:18.000 When you put the cart back.

00:50:20.000 Now possibly with his well-intentioned and enthusiastic appraisal of Russian supermarkets, Taka may not have done himself any favors.

00:50:27.000 So it's free, but there's an incentive to return it and not just bring it to your homeless encampment.

00:50:33.000 I didn't realize America's homeless problem is caused entirely by easy access to grocery stores.

00:50:39.000 But it's odd actually because what is causing America's homeless crisis?

00:50:47.000 Lack of infrastructure?

00:50:48.000 Lack of support?

00:50:49.000 And where are those resources currently going?

00:50:52.000 Evidently to the Pentagon, to the ongoing war So I suppose what I'm inviting is a spirit of conviviality, mutual acceptance, trust and even love.

00:51:03.000 Even though I adore comedy, I adore ridicule, I adore the ability to poke fun and even attack in good spirits.

00:51:11.000 And both of these men are, in the case of Tucker Carlson, a person I consider a friend.

00:51:14.000 In the case of Jon Stewart, a person I admire.

00:51:16.000 But in terms of how is this playing out in the media?

00:51:19.000 How is this playing out in the culture?

00:51:21.000 And isn't it Perhaps, if your handlers had allowed, you would have seen there is a hidden fee to your cheap groceries and orderly streets.

00:51:26.000 acknowledge and move into new cultural spaces rather than let's just sink into

00:51:30.000 the morass of the culture war as just tit-for-tat spat that don't really go

00:51:35.000 anywhere. Perhaps if your handlers had allowed you would have seen there is a

00:51:40.000 hidden fee to your cheap groceries and orderly streets. Ask Alexei Navalny or

00:51:46.000 any of his supporters. In Vladimir Putin's Russia political repression is

00:51:51.000 everywhere.

00:51:54.000 And hundreds have been arrested for daring to honor Navalny so publicly.

00:51:59.000 Right.

00:52:00.000 This is a point where you have to question the legitimacy and editorialization that's happening literally in that moment.

00:52:06.000 It would be a perfect opportunity one might say for Julian Assange's name to come to the forefront of this show's mind.

00:52:12.000 Julian Assange who's in prison awaiting potential extradition to the United States for journalism.

00:52:18.000 And now we of course are beginning to understand that it's likely that Navalny died of A blood clot.

00:52:25.000 Because the difference between our urinal caked chaotic subways and your candelabraed beautiful subways is the literal price of freedom.

00:52:35.000 But also the literal price of freedom is America's ongoing imperialist projects around the world.

00:52:41.000 The escalating tensions in the Middle East.

00:52:43.000 Some people are calling it a genocide in Gaza.

00:52:45.000 increasing tensions in the South Pacific between China and the agitation of Russia that's been

00:52:50.000 continually framed by the media that I'd love to see Jon Stewart hold to account in the

00:52:54.000 same way, continually advocate for as an unprovoked attack that needed addressing when increasingly

00:53:00.000 we now know from New York Times reporting that the CIA had bases in Ukraine for 10 years

00:53:05.000 and were agitating for that war and we know that NATO also understood that if Ukraine

00:53:09.000 were ever to be granted membership of that organisation it would lead to an escalation

00:53:13.000 of tensions between Ukraine and Putin. So when it comes to imperialism, colonialism

00:53:17.000 and the management of information, the establishment, the neoliberal left establishment, because

00:53:22.000 in my view there is no left anymore, have a lot of questions to answer as well and I

00:53:26.000 think that as long as you have Tucker Carlson, who I believe is much more critical of both

00:53:30.000 parties than Jon Stewart, who's still in power, he's got a lot of questions to answer.

00:53:32.000 I know I felt excited just by seeing Jon Stewart attack Joe Biden and attacking Donald Trump.

00:53:35.000 in spite of being willing to criticise Biden, and there was a hell of a lot of blowback when he did,

00:53:39.000 even on something as risible as his age. If Jon Stewart were to apply his comedic wit and

00:53:45.000 incredible abilities to addressing the hypocrisy within the Democratic Party, I think it would

00:53:50.000 relieve a great deal of tension. I know I felt excited just by seeing Jon Stewart attack Joe

00:53:55.000 Biden and attacking Donald Trump. I felt like, yeah, this is what I want to hear.

00:53:58.000 This is what I need to hear.

00:54:00.000 Now my satisfaction scarcely needs to be prioritised, but I think that what is being revealed by these two cultural orators, two polemicists, two polarised figures, is that the uniparty space is becoming increasingly less relevant and movements and individuals from the periphery have a lot more in common with one another ultimately, even if there is a variety of cultural issues that may separate us.

00:54:24.000 I figure that if you were to acknowledge that on the subject of war, the military-industrial complex, deep state involvement, the establishment of a censorship-industrial complex, all of which has been underwritten by both the Obama administration and the Biden administration, all of which Tucker has reported on extensively, if we were to see those issues discussed in these spaces, we would start to recognize, hang on a minute, there is an affinity here.

00:54:44.000 But you don't tend to see those issues discussed.

00:54:46.000 Why?

00:54:47.000 Because It seems to me that the establishment's primary weapon now in maintaining control of political institutions is to continue to portray Trump as a terrifying tyrant and dictator-in-waiting hysterically rather than ever addressing the failures of their own organisation and their own party, particularly when it comes to economic inequality.

00:55:06.000 Jon Stewart He's a figure of the left that I continue to admire precisely because he does reach out to what you might call ordinary Americans.

00:55:13.000 His work with the first responders after 9-11 and his affinity with ordinary American people is one of the things, let me know how you feel in the chat, that makes me still feel affection for Jon Stewart and makes me still feel hope that out of this incendiary space and this type of cultural conflict new alliances may yet emerge.

00:55:29.000 But the goal that Carlson and his ilk are pushing is that there's really Really no difference between our systems.

00:55:34.000 In fact, theirs might be a little bit better.

00:55:36.000 The question is, why?

00:55:37.000 Why is Tucker doing this?

00:55:39.000 Here's why.

00:55:40.000 It's because the old civilizational battle was communism versus capitalism.

00:55:46.000 That's what drove the world since World War II.

00:55:48.000 Russia was the enemy then. 0.70

00:55:49.000 But now they think the battle is woke versus un-woke.

00:55:54.000 I think the emergence of woke owes a lot more to the fact that the Democrats now operate on behalf of metropolitan elite and have abandoned ordinary working people and therefore have to emphasize the cultural areas where they are more inverted commas progressive in order to distract us from the fact that now truckers are pro-Trump.

00:56:10.000 To regard Trump as the source of the problem rather than a response to the failings of the American left is I think a similarly myopic perspective and also conveying a kind of go and live in Russia if you love it so much.

00:56:21.000 That's exactly the sort of thing that you would have heard from And in that fight, Putin is an ally to the right.

00:56:26.000 Jon Stewart in his spats with Bill O'Reilly, there was a kind of conviviality and a sense of hope

00:56:32.000 that somehow there was a shared vision of America that might lead to mutuality, respect and trust.

00:56:38.000 That kind of conversation seems to be disappearing from the public discourse.

00:56:41.000 And in that fight, Putin is an ally to the right. He's their friend.

00:56:46.000 Unfortunately, he is also a brutal and ruthless dictator.

00:56:52.000 So now they have to make Americans a little more comfortable with that.

00:56:56.000 I mean liberty is nice but have you seen Russia's shopping carts? 0.94

00:57:01.000 I suppose at this point you'd have to estimate for yourself how much of the United States military-industrial complex and your tax dollar resources are being expended in the Ukraine-Russia conflict because of a humanitarian crisis and how much of it is being expended because as Julian Assange said the goal is to create long Unending wars rather than successful ones.

00:57:21.000 You mentioned Jon Stewart the two of you have a bit of a history I don't know if you've seen it, but he kind of grilled your supermarket and subway Videos, but his other point was that I was somehow a partisan or a mindless partisan, which is definitely not true I mean it's true of him.

00:57:37.000 He is a mindless partisan But I am NOT and I haven't been for I really haven't been since I got back from Baghdad at the beginning of the Iraq war and I realized that The Republican Party, which I'd voted for, you know, my whole life to that point and had supported in general, was like pushing this really horrible thing that was going to hurt the United States, which in time it really did.

00:58:00.000 I am a figure that came out of what you might call the cultural left.

00:58:03.000 I've got a lot of friends that feel much more affiliated with the politics and ideals of Jon Stewart than Tucker Carlson.

00:58:09.000 One of the things they continually say about Tucker Carlson is he's interested in things like displacement theory.

00:58:13.000 I've never heard him talk about Tucker Carlson's continuing opposition to war, from the Iraq war to contemporary wars, his willingness to interview people that are truly anti-establishment on a variety of subjects, and even a memorable piece where he spoke to Ben Shapiro, those were the days when them guys were communicating, on the subject of AI and whether or not he would pass laws to ensure that trucks Could never be driven, for example, automatically because of the impact that would have on that particular sector of American working people where he spoke in favour of government regulation of private corporations in a way that you would never hear anyone from inside the Biden administration talking in support of ordinary workers.

00:58:50.000 Would you, Tucker Carlson, be in favor of restrictions on the ability of trucking companies to use this sort of technology specifically to, you know, sort of artificially maintain the number of jobs that are available in the trucking industry?

00:59:01.000 Are you joking?

00:59:02.000 In a second! 1.00

00:59:03.000 In a second! 1.00

00:59:04.000 In other words, if I were president when I say to DOT, Department of Transportation, we're not letting driverless trucks on the road.

00:59:11.000 Period.

00:59:12.000 Why?

00:59:13.000 Driving for a living is the single most common job for high school educated men in this country, in all 50 states.

00:59:13.000 Really simple.

00:59:19.000 The problem, I suppose, is I generally find more affinity with people that say, this system is broken, these institutions are not worthy of our trust, we need new political models, you can't trust the government, you can't trust corporations, than people that appear to be advocating for one side of a broken political system.

00:59:36.000 For me, by continually being hysterical about Trump and Trump's impact, you're failing to acknowledge that the Democrats in your country, or the Labour movement in our party, have failed ordinary people to the point where populism, nativism, are inevitable reactions But I would just say this, Jon Stewart's a defender of power.

00:59:52.000 Jon Stewart is never criticized.

00:59:54.000 agenda. There is a cartel of interests and institutions that are impervious to

00:59:59.000 the democratic will of ordinary people and for me Tucker Carlson has been

01:00:02.000 brilliant at attacking and addressing exactly those subjects. But I would just

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01:00:10.000 Like what's Jon Stewart's view on, you know, the aid we've sent to Ukraine, the

01:00:16.000 hundred billion dollars or whatever. Like what happened to that money?

01:00:18.000 What happened to the weapons that I bought?

01:00:20.000 He doesn't care.

01:00:21.000 He has the exact same priorities as the people permanently in charge in Washington.

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01:02:06.000 If you're going to pretend to be the guy who's giving the finger to entrench power, you should do it once in a while.

01:02:13.000 And he never has.

01:02:15.000 There's not one time when he said something that would be deeply unpopular on Morning Joe.

01:02:19.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:02:20.000 And so don't call yourself a truth teller.

01:02:21.000 You're a court comedian or a flatterer of power.

01:02:25.000 OK, that's fine.

01:02:26.000 There's a rule for that.

01:02:26.000 But don't pretend to be something else.

01:02:28.000 What I'm struck by when watching these two figures communicating, presumably primarily to their own audiences rather than each other's, is surely at this point there is a growing constituency that quite like Jon Stewart, quite like Tucker Carlson, and hate the establishment, hate the Uni Party.

01:02:45.000 That's what I think is being exposed by this era and by the great Stars of this era is that the establishment and its institutions are failing.

01:02:54.000 In fact, they're over.

01:02:55.000 And what we're living through now is their frantic attempt to reassert control that used to be possible and plausible when you had centralised media.

01:03:02.000 Welcome to NBC.

01:03:03.000 Welcome to CNN.

01:03:04.000 Now you don't have that.

01:03:05.000 You have me.

01:03:05.000 You have Tucker Carlson.

01:03:06.000 You have Joe Rogan.

01:03:07.000 You have all sorts of people.

01:03:08.000 And back into that space you have one of these, not Old Guard, I don't mean this in a dismissive way, Very, very brilliant comic who could succeed in any environment because of his skill adapting to what has changed since then.

01:03:19.000 Because I feel, and I hope in a way, that there are more of us that think, not the Democrats, not the Republicans, something else, please.

01:03:26.000 than are just like thirstily and happily backing up our chosen opponent in a culture war that does all of us a

01:03:33.000 great disservice.

01:03:33.000 Because guess what? While we're culture warring and clapping and applauding our preferred pugilist in this phony

01:03:39.000 battle, the establishment is business as usual. And business as

01:03:44.000 usual is ongoing war.

01:03:45.000 And it's this subject beyond all others that led me to understand that what Tucker Carlson is doing is significant

01:03:50.000 and important.

01:03:51.000 The measure to me is, are you taking positions that are unpopular with the most powerful people in the world?

01:03:58.000 And how often are you doing it?

01:03:59.000 It's super simple.

01:04:00.000 Not for its own sake, but do you feel free enough to say, you know, to the consensus, I disagree.

01:04:09.000 And if you don't, then you're just another toady.

01:04:11.000 That's my view.

01:04:13.000 Well, I think he probably feels free enough to do it, but you're saying he doesn't do it.

01:04:18.000 On the big things.

01:04:18.000 Look, The big things, this is my estimation of it, others may disagree, the big things are the economy and war, okay?

01:04:27.000 The big things government does can be... I mean, a lot of things government does, government does everything at this point, but where we kill people and how, and for what purpose, and how we organize the economic engine that keeps the country afloat, those are the two big questions.

01:04:43.000 And I hear almost no debate about either one of them in the media.

01:04:47.000 And I have dissenting views on both of them.

01:04:49.000 I mean, I'm mad about the tax code, which I think is unfair.

01:04:52.000 And the fact that we're creating chaos around the world, like, is the saddest thing that's happening right now.

01:04:58.000 And nobody feels free to say that.

01:05:00.000 So that's not good.

01:05:02.000 These are valuable questions to ask about the establishment media.

01:05:04.000 Are they willing to interrogate war expenditure?

01:05:07.000 Are they willing to interrogate and provide the reckoning that the pandemic period surely demands the The disease is the same name as the lab.

01:05:14.000 There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.

01:05:17.000 a significant mainstream figure who said there's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness in Pennsylvania

01:05:21.000 with regard to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the ridiculous coincidence of the emergence of coronavirus from

01:05:27.000 that period.

01:05:27.000 The disease is the same name as the lab.

01:05:31.000 There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.

01:05:36.000 What do you think happened?

01:05:38.000 Like, oh, I don't know, maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean. 0.50

01:05:43.000 Or it's the **** chocolate factory!

01:05:47.000 So what I'm saying is our culture needs both of these figures.

01:05:50.000 It represents the end of these systems.

01:05:52.000 Is it possible that we have in the figures of Tucker Carlson and Jon Stewart, even while they're in the middle of a highly publicised spat, the kind of fusion that's required for solution 3?

01:06:01.000 Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

01:06:03.000 Is this conversation and this polemic an indication that our old institutions are dying, new institutions are required, new conversations will have to take place in order for that to be achieved, and perhaps a conversation between Jon Stewart and Tucker Carlson could certainly contribute to that solution.

01:06:18.000 But that's just what I think.

01:06:19.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

01:06:20.000 See you in a second. 1.00

01:06:25.000 Here's the fucking news! 0.98

01:06:27.000 Hope you enjoyed that conversation and thank you so much for joining us. 0.99

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01:06:46.000 We know that Google can manipulate elections.

01:06:49.000 We know that Ukraine don't hold elections and yet your tax dollars are being spent perpetuating what could be an unwinnable war.

01:06:55.000 Mike Benz has quickly become an extremely valuable voice in this space.

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