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00:02:51.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:54.000We are streaming live from Rumble's HQs and later in the show I'll be talking to our CEO, Chris Pawlowski, about free speech.
00:03:04.000And free speech has become more relevant than ever because if Democracy now means not the process by which an electorate chooses government, but instead, in fact, a set of institutions that are clearly controlled by a powerful establishment that can even use justice for its own utility.
00:03:24.000Then we need to be able to communicate openly.
00:03:27.000All of you watching us on Rumble, thank you.
00:03:29.000I'm getting your gracious wishes for my birthday.
00:03:46.000Like YouTube which as you know is placed within the citadel of Google meaning that therefore it is an instrument of the powerful that you could be censored there, that you could find your data scraped and captured and one day used against you.
00:04:00.000Surely the time will come where you're willing to click the link in the description and join us over here because we're talking about the news that defines not only our day but ultimately could come to define our times.
00:04:10.000Of course since the Trump verdict we're seeing almost a new wave of martyrdom This is an extraordinary time to see the reframing of the position of Donald Trump because it seems that the more the attacks are amplified, the more the ardour and the devotion increases.
00:04:30.000Meanwhile, in a House oversight committee, Anthony Fauci faces his own reckoning and has to answer questions that any of you that have been paying attention will be well familiar with Him saying, oh there's six feet social distancing, it just kind of appeared.
00:04:47.000But the fact is, this is migrated now from peripheral spaces that were condemned as conspiratorial into the mainstream.
00:04:56.000And also we'll be talking about Alex Jones, who it seems is facing deep state attacks and an attempt to conflate his evident and obvious wrongdoing in falsely claiming that the Sandy Hook murders were a false flag event Into kind of suggesting that he's somehow responsible for the entire affair.
00:05:15.000We are asking you today, and I want you to let me know in the description right now, Kyle Rhino and T Ryan and Freedom Sphere, what is justice now?
00:05:25.000In a world where people are increasingly immoral and amoral, I don't mean people actually, I mean our institutions and our systems, who can claim to speak for justice?
00:05:35.000And can you even have justice if you don't have God?
00:05:38.000Pretty big questions, but they're questions that we'll be answering live from Rumble HQ.
00:05:44.000We gave you a little poll earlier to ask what you wanted to talk about.
00:05:48.000And in fact, whether or not you thought that Trump would ultimately win the election as a result of the, what many are calling, lawfare being waged against him, and of course you do.
00:05:58.000We're also, we're going to move straight now into talking about Anthony Fauci.
00:06:02.000Now what I want you to try and do is play a game called then and now because if you watch this hearing carefully and closely what you're kind of being invited to believe is that during the pandemic period we were gently invited to consider Whether or not we wanted to stay locked up in our homes.
00:06:22.000Would we mind if we kept six feet of arbitrary distance from people when we were communicating?
00:06:29.000Would we consider it helpful to take a medication that scientifically doesn't even warrant the use of the name vaccine?
00:06:37.000But you may remember that that's not what happened in 2020.
00:06:41.000There were hysterical, hyperbolic campaigns.
00:06:45.000There was shaming, blaming, attempts to control and curtail.
00:06:50.000Not just in your country, the United States of America, but in Australia, New Zealand, my country.
00:06:55.000A global attempt to assert authority at an unprecedented scale took place.
00:07:36.000Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's often talked about in derisory terms and condemned because she seems kind of southern and sort of r-shucks and kind of vulgar.
00:07:46.000To see this woman take Anthony Fauci to task is a beautiful sight to behold.
00:07:52.000And what I want you to remember as he equivocates and prevaricates and fills his speech with caveats is that they were very certain indeed.
00:08:00.000They were certain that you should be shamed.
00:08:02.000They were certain you should take those medications which increasingly seem to be more deserving of the term gene therapy.
00:08:42.000And what I want to invite you to consider is, the people that hate Marjorie Taylor Greene, how do they feel when they watch this?
00:08:47.000And how do they justify their disdain?
00:08:50.000How other than elitism would you condemn Marjorie Taylor Greene for pointing out that there are cruel scientific experiments that were signed off by Anthony Fauci using or misusing animals?
00:09:02.000That he should be taken to task and held to account for his certainty, for his own hyperbole?
00:09:08.000Over the course of this section, you'll hear and be reminded of Anthony Fauci's certainty.
00:09:14.000Remember when he said that people drop their bullshit, their ideological bullshit will be dropped once BF Skinner behavioural techniques are used against them.
00:09:24.000Remember what has taken place and for a moment, Forget about the vengeance and forget about the validation and think instead, if this is what we know now about what were they doing then, what can we assume now about what they're doing when it comes to the Trump trial, when it comes to free speech, when it comes to their increasingly desperate attempts to control our ability to communicate together and therefore unify and oppose them.
00:09:53.000Let's have a look at Marjorie Taylor Greene taking Fauci to task and the light for a moment in what appears to be a clash between cultures.
00:10:28.000Can we believe that there is an objective, transcendent, ulterior entity that is issuing justice?
00:10:35.000Are you certain that what we don't have now is a set of institutions that deploy for utility, whatever tools or means they have to hand.
00:10:46.000Hopefully, this will lead to Anthony Fauci facing a proper reckoning for some of the dreadful decisions he made, for some of the corruption, for what looks like deep institutional corruption, but maybe not.
00:10:59.000Maybe not, because simultaneous to this, we're experiencing the Trump verdict.
00:11:03.000Simultaneous to this, we're seeing a world seeking to impose censorship and control wherever it might be possible.
00:11:41.000With Alex Jones's ongoing persecution, there's a sort of an attempt to conflate him incorrectly saying that Sandy Hook was a false flag event.
00:11:51.000With the brutality of the murders themselves.
00:11:55.000And now Antony Fauci is having to face the consequences of science as a subset of commodification.
00:12:17.000Moderna and your miracles, Johnson and Johnson and your kindness and compassion, as if it were Johnson and Johnson and Jesus.
00:12:26.000No, what we're getting to see now is that the pharmaceutical industry is a for-profit endeavour, that Anthony Fauci is a public official that has facilitated enormous profits, that potentially the entire pandemic period was about experimenting with the degrees to which they could get away with social control.
00:12:47.000And these experiments that happened to beagles paid for by the American taxpayer.
00:12:53.000And I want you to know Americans don't pay their taxes for animals to be tortured like this.
00:12:57.000So the type of science that you are representing, Mr. Fauci, is abhorrent.
00:13:04.000You confess that you made up the COVID rules.
00:13:07.000Including six feet social distancing and masking of children.
00:13:27.000This is the best birthday present I could have.
00:13:30.000Anthony Fauci being taken to task by that peroxide blonde demon woman doing the work of righteousness.
00:13:38.000Like, do you remember, it's just a couple of weeks ago that we saw AOC, like, girl, baby, girl.
00:13:43.000If Marjorie Taylor Greene were doing the whims of the establishment right now, they'll be saying, this is a feminist hero taking the patriarchy to task.
00:13:52.000But what What methods will they find to deride Marjorie Taylor Greene?
00:14:16.000What I'm suggesting to you today Is that this is a pivotal moment when it comes to the Trump trial, even what's happening with Alex Jones and certainly what's happening with Anthony Fauci.
00:14:25.000We're looking at the concept of justice itself and we are looking at an establishment cracking and falling apart, reaching in every possible direction to find whatever weapons it can to bring down and curtail potential opposition.
00:14:39.000Everywhere you look, dissidents and opponents of the establishment are having the legal system deployed against them.
00:14:47.000Everywhere you look, Outspoken critics of the establishment are being smeared.
00:17:09.000This is not an interview that Anthony Fauci would get on the BBC, MSNBC, CNN, any of those spaces that deified him.
00:17:15.000And reified his work and presented him as if he were a little Caesar of science, a man given incredible power, a man given incredible public resources, a man benefiting, it seems, from royalties, from pharmaceutical companies, who we trusted as if he was objective.
00:17:51.000If you're watching us on YouTube right now, we'll be available there for a couple of minutes.
00:17:58.000Because remember, on YouTube there are certain things you still can't say because they use the WHO's guidelines.
00:18:04.000Even as the WHO, through their treaty, tries to subvert and subordinate your democracy and your individual freedom, Tech giants and media conglomerates operate in conjunction with them to control your ability to communicate and your ability to be free.
00:18:18.000So eventually you're going to have to click that link in the description and join us in the sweet stream of freedom that is Rumble.
00:18:25.000Later on in the show I'll be talking to CEO Chris Pavlovsky about the fight for free speech And about how this movement is growing and how we are becoming more powerful together than ever.
00:18:35.000And we're going to be talking of course about the significance of the Trump verdict and the incredible amount of money that's been raised since then and how people died-in-the-wall Democrats, liberals, champagne socialists, people that were part of the metropolitan establishment are starting to think God, is Trump actually the answer?
00:18:51.000We're not just talking about MAGA people now.
00:18:53.000We're talking about a revolution across America, as even the metropolitan, pearl-clutching, mask-wearing, God-fearing, COVID-revering start to recognise that something significant is happening in this culture, something significant is happening in this country, and we want to be part of it together.
00:19:11.000Okay, we're going to click the link in the description.
00:19:12.000Listen, if you want to stay with us, if you want to see the end of this piece about Fauci, if you want to see our Trump piece, as well as our conversation with CEO Chris Pavlovsky, which is kicking off Russell in Residence in Rumble on my birthday here in Florida, then you're going to have to click that link in the description and get over here now.
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00:20:21.000For the record, because today you testified that you did not suppress the lab leak theory, yet in the past you have said, quote, it is a distortion of reality, unquote.
00:20:29.000You've said, quote, I've heard these conspiracy theories, and like all conspiracy theories, they're just conspiracy theories.
00:20:36.000That's what you told the American people.
00:20:38.000And so would you like to clarify what science were you following then versus now?
00:20:42.000Actually, I've also been very, very clear.
00:20:45.000They use science like medieval times used God.
00:20:49.000They utilized God back then to persecute martyrs and to assume control.
00:20:55.000Science is about an objective process of experimentation, examination, communication, and Ultimately empirical evidence, derived consensus from communication.
00:21:06.000It's not people saying, I am the science and therefore you lot are going to stay in your houses.
00:21:10.000I am the science, therefore you better take this medication.
00:21:46.000We all know what spike proteins are now.
00:21:49.000We all know what Cleavage sites are now.
00:21:50.000We all know what DARPA is and the EcoHealth Alliance, and we all know how the system works because of free speech, because we can communicate openly.
00:22:00.000It was you that told me something unusual is going on.
00:22:03.000When we first started communicating at the beginning of the pandemic, you said, this is not the crisis they're pretending that it is.
00:22:09.000This is an opportunity to exploit crisis, to implement social control, to generate profit, to create a transfer of wealth, to legitimize the deeper regulation and control of entire populations.
00:23:58.000But we're seeing surprising new demographics turning to Trump because it's becoming impossible to ignore that the neoliberal establishment is a bigger threat to democracy, a bigger threat to world peace, a bigger threat to individual freedom than anything that they could devise in all their propaganda.
00:24:17.000Like Jason Bourne and told the CIA that they should really not be talking about a lab leak.
00:24:40.000What's not so clear is what the phenomena of excess death is being caused by.
00:24:51.000What's not so clear is why there are so many blood clots, turbo cancers, cases of myocarditis, extraordinary new neurological diseases emerging.
00:25:01.000What's not so clear is why at the time there weren't caveated conversations.
00:25:06.000The way this guy is talking now is as if at the time they were saying, hey, listen, it's up to you.
00:26:47.000And they didn't stop you from spreading it either.
00:26:50.000Early on it did if it prevented infection, but what became clear that it did not prevent transmission when the ability to prevent infection waned.
00:27:03.000Do you remember how it was when he was turning up on shows wearing like a variety of cute masks, rolling his eyes behind Trump, turning up on the late night talk shows, almost flexing in his own peculiar sexuality?
00:27:25.000Where was proper inquiry, legitimacy, transparency, consensus achieved by listening to significant voices like McCulloch, Malone, Bhattacharya, all of the significant voices, Dave Martin who we've had on our show, people that were bravely outspoken, it may even include you.
00:27:59.000I mean, what kinds of treatments were missed?
00:28:01.000What price did you pay for the ineptitude of these institutions that have the gall to call themselves democracy?
00:28:09.000That have the gall to condemn a former president increasingly for what seems like a set of misdemeanors that are nothing like as bad what's been practiced in the name of democracy.
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00:29:38.000You are joining me for Russell in residence at Rumble on my birthday, live from the Rumble HQ.
00:29:46.000I'm happy to see how many of you have joined us on the Rumble stream.
00:29:50.000I'm happy to see how many awakened wonders are there in locals who can take advantage of our additional content, meditative, book clubs, all sorts of additional videos and stuff.
00:30:01.000This is a significant moment, isn't it?
00:30:04.000In American history, perhaps in the history of the world.
00:30:06.000I don't just mean because I'm at Rumble and it's my birthday, although it does seem kind of auspicious and important.
00:30:11.000No, I'm talking about the potential martyrdom of Donald Trump.
00:30:16.000Now, let me be honest with you, as I always try to be.
00:30:19.000You look in my eyes and tell me if you believe me, if you can rely on me, if you know that I'm a person just like you who's trying his best.
00:30:27.000When Donald Trump Stood for President of the United States the first time.
00:30:30.000I said, this is risible and ridiculous.
00:30:32.000This ludicrous figure can never become President of the United States.
00:30:38.000When I first saw Donald Trump talking at the top of that escalator, talking about you got to control immigration, I clutched at my own pearls.
00:30:46.000And if masks had been a thing, then maybe I would have reached one.
00:30:51.000If Pfizer had been offering a product, maybe I would have taken it.
00:30:55.000But now we have to say, after the legal system has plainly been used as an attack dog on Donald Trump, that the world has changed.
00:31:03.000And what's heartening is that America, and increasingly the whole world, knows it.
00:31:08.000Because Donald Trump has raised over $200 million since that guilty verdict, mostly from small donations.
00:31:15.000And as he faces down the prospect of prison, Is it possible that a figure like Donald Trump could be regarded as some modern-day Tangerine Nelson Mandela?
00:31:26.000Is there a risk that the establishment, in their increasing condemnation of Donald Trump, is making him a greater and greater martyr?
00:31:33.000And is it possible that as our trust in the judiciary, in the legacy media, in big tech platforms that are corrupted and controlled by the deep state mockingbird .20?
00:31:45.000That increasingly people that would have never dreamed of voting for Donald Trump are turning in the direction of that tower.
00:31:53.000And I can speak personally as a former member of the Hollywood glitterati, as a former member of the champagne socialist establishment myself, something extraordinary is happening.
00:32:06.000The potential for a new review is happening right now.
00:32:10.000Let me just tell you a few of the things that help me to understand this differently.
00:32:14.000If Donald Trump is facing justice because of he used campaign funds in this way and this hush money was paid to Stormzy Daniels, then I can tell you something else that happened that was pretty significant.
00:32:29.000Why, way back in the early 2000s, a president of the United States called George W. Bush told the entire world that Iraq and Saddam Hussein in particular had weapons of mass destruction and that America and all of America's allies should go to war.
00:32:51.000You tell me the service personnel that you know that suffered, lost their lives, lost their limbs, lost their minds as a result of those lies.
00:33:00.000Is George W. Bush going to be standing trial anytime soon?
00:33:04.000Is Barack Obama, for the erroneous droning of Syrian weddings, going to be facing trial anytime soon?
00:33:11.000Is Bill Clinton, for his corruption and deregulation of industries that have gone on to exploit this country to cost you money, going to be facing justice anytime soon?
00:33:22.000And is Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden going to be facing justice anytime soon?
00:33:27.000Maybe Hunter will because of the old gun-toting.
00:33:30.000But when the judiciary becomes a weapon of the establishment, we have no judiciary.
00:33:35.000And when we have an establishment that tells us that there is no God, that there are no rules except for the rules and regulations that they apparently just arbitrarily set, six feet social distancing just sort of appeared.
00:33:49.000Donald Trump campaign funds just sort of appeared.
00:33:52.000Now, I know Donald Trump ain't perfect, but we're not looking for perfection right now.
00:33:57.000We're looking for a force to oppose a pretty corrupt system.
00:34:01.000And there are some principles we can rely on.
00:34:03.000Free speech and a simple little idea called my enemy's enemy is my friend.
00:34:07.000Whatever you might believe about Donald Trump, the establishment do not like that guy.
00:34:13.000Let's have a little look at what's happened since that verdict, that significant verdict.
00:34:19.000There's been an astonishing fundraising effort.
00:34:22.000And Trump has become increasingly emboldened.
00:34:26.000Do you believe, by the way, if you're watching us, do you?
00:34:29.000Yeah, the only people, Turbo1980, I've got to agree with you, man.
00:34:33.000Zack1328, Roxanne, Cruising Buns, I'm agreeing with everything you're saying.
00:34:51.000Now, is it possible that Trump will be so empowered by his new position as the figurehead of this, I would say, global anti-establishment movement, that he would consider, in truth and in earnest, going after the deep state?
00:35:05.000He said in a recent interview on Foxy Friends, or whatever that show's called, Five Foxy Friends Together, Five Foxy Friends Together At Last, that he would Would you declassify the 9-11 files?
00:35:57.000I saw one of my lawyers the other day on television saying, oh no, you don't want to do that to the president.
00:36:03.000I said, don't, you don't beg for anything.
00:36:05.000I don't know that the public would stand it.
00:36:06.000You know, I don't, I'm not sure the public would stand for it.
00:36:10.000Now, when Alex Jones says that there is an attempt to instigate a race war in your great country, in your great melting pot of a country, in your country where Americans of all cultures, religions and hues surely have the chance to independently and freely live together, democratically, representatively, in harmony together, When we are told by Alex Jones that there will be a race war before the election, well, it being Alex Jones, the establishment will tell you it's hysteria.
00:36:39.000But when Bill Maher says that potentially we could see an America divided by race war, well, how are we to take that?
00:36:47.000And when we see establishment figures migrating from the centre to these new spaces of resistance This new movement that you're part of, this new attempt to assert some basic common sense principles, free speech, electoral democracy, representative democracy, institutions that haven't been captured by globalists.
00:37:08.000When you see members of the establishment, funded by the establishment, captured by the establishment, controlled by big pharma money, controlled by the military-industrial complex, turning against them, You have to recognize something significant is happening.
00:37:22.000Do you think this is a pivotal moment?
00:38:38.000And when you see this image, do you imagine that none of these people should face trial?
00:38:45.000We're looking at the faces of George Bush 1, George Bush 2, Clinton 1, Clinton 2, Obama 1, Obama 2.
00:38:54.000Do you not think that the collective crimes undertaken in the name of globalism, undertaken at the behest of the military-industrial complex, done in denial of the principles of the foundation of your great nation, all similarly face a judicial reckoning?
00:39:10.000You know what my personal beliefs are.
00:39:13.000The power to control your life should be as close to you as possible.
00:39:16.000The ability for corporations or State departments and agencies to intervene in your freedom should be minimized at all cost.
00:39:24.000That your agency, above all else, with a set of principles and morals derived from your personal relationship with whatever you call God, that should be the defining power in American life and the defining principle in how we confront what seems to me not to be merely powers of the flesh but dark powers and dark principalities co-opting the power of our planet.
00:39:49.000How can we look at that rogues gallery and say that it's more significant that Donald Trump paid hush money to Stormzy Daniels to keep her quiet using funds taken from the wrong box than the Iraq war, than the various campaigns in Syria, than the, well let's look back a few years, the British meddling in Middle Eastern territories and all of the destruction and death that it's led to.
00:40:15.000Let us pray that a new way can be found.
00:40:18.000Let us pray that something resembling justice may emerge at a time when that word is in danger of losing all of its meaning.
00:40:28.000Let's move now to... Let me know what you think, by the way.
00:40:32.000Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat, because if what Donald Trump did was wrong, then surely what Obama did, what Clinton did, what both the Bushes did was... It's seriously in need of some judicial review.
00:40:44.000Let me know what you think, guys, in the chat.
00:40:46.000Now, Alex Jones is not a man who is known to hold back when it comes to expressing his emotions.
00:40:52.000And I think that many of the criticisms of Alex Jones come from the inability of people to understand what he is.
00:40:59.000Alex Jones, in my view, is not like a sort of a journalist or an academic.
00:41:17.000After a weekend in which conspiracy theorist Alex Jones warned his media company facing an imminent shutdown by a federal government, because that is indeed what's happening, using the leverage of the incorrect things that Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook, for which he has apologised, for which he has been quite handsomely sued to the tune of I think one and a half billion dollars, the CIA and Deep State want to shut him down.
00:41:43.000If what is happening is Alex Jones is being shut down, do you think that the intention is to shut Alex Jones down?
00:41:51.000Given that we've seen video of a CIA operative saying, yeah, the Feds wanted to shut Alex Jones down, the CIA have been working to shut Alex Jones down.
00:42:12.000And how can you casually, like, if I was gonna call someone a conspiracy theorist, and there's no doubt Alex Jones has said things by his own acknowledgement that are not true.
00:42:26.000But to call Alex Jones a conspiracy theorist, you're gonna have to ignore the fact But before 9-11, literally before, you can watch this on video, Alex Jones said, there's this guy called Osama Bin Laden and there's going to be an attack on the World Trade Center and they're going to blame Osama Bin Laden.
00:42:44.000Now if that's a conspiracy theorist, you know, Not a soothsayer, not someone with access to incredible information, not someone with a degree of prescience.
00:42:53.000If that's someone that you want to dismiss out of hand as a nutjob, then I don't think you have a nuanced or articulate enough system.
00:43:00.000In fact, what I think you have is an agenda.
00:43:03.000I think you have an agenda to shut down people with the balls to go against the establishment.
00:43:07.000No one's saying that what Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook was correct.
00:43:10.000Even Alex Jones himself says that was incorrect.
00:43:13.000But the attempt to conflate him saying that with the atrocity of the murder itself is dubious and bogus.
00:43:20.000Do you notice how in this instance and in numerous instances victims are curated and collated?
00:43:27.000We have some victims here and because of these victims this person can never speak publicly again.
00:43:33.000Well that's convenient because that person was saying some pretty important stuff that was antithetical to the intentions and agenda of the establishment but Guess we better listen to all these victims that have appeared from somewhere.
00:43:45.000Again, no one is saying that what Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook was correct.
00:43:53.000The fact is, is it's a terrible thing when children lose their lives in a massacre.
00:43:57.000It's a terrible thing when people commit crimes and atrocities.
00:44:01.000Genuine victims should be revered and respected and need to have a justice system that people can rely on.
00:44:07.000That is why it's disgusting and appalling that these victims are exploited and deployed in order to pursue the agenda of the establishment.
00:44:15.000So, is Alex Jones being attacked because of what he said about Sandy Hook?
00:44:22.000Or is Alex Jones being attacked because he is an opponent of foreign wars and therefore an opponent of the globalist agenda?
00:44:30.000You'll have to decide that for yourself.
00:44:31.000Let's have a look at Alex Jones dealing with the challenges that he's facing.
00:44:37.000Here's just a few of the headlines saying they want me shut down.
00:45:33.000And I can tell you what it feels like when the establishment turns on you, when the legacy media turns on you, when legal systems are deployed against you.
00:46:29.000That's one of the things we've seen throughout today's conversation.
00:46:32.000Fauci, will he ever face a proper reckoning?
00:46:34.000Will people ever honestly say, man, we were hysterical and hyperbolic at the beginning of that pandemic because we wanted to generate opportunity to regulate and create an opportunity for massive wealth transfer?
00:46:44.000Will people ever acknowledge That whatever's going on in those Donald Trump trials is not about justice, it's the weaponisation of the legal system against a political opponent.
00:46:56.000And when it comes to the case of Alex Jones, even though what he said about Sandy Hook was wrong, do any of us really believe that this is about that and not about shutting down another vocal opponent of the establishment agenda?
00:47:10.000But let me know what you think, guys, in the comments and the chat.
00:47:13.000We are going to have a brief message from one of our fantastic partners here on Stay Free Russell Brand, and then we'll be right back with the CEO of Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky, to talk about free speech right in Free Speech's home, Rumble HQ.
00:50:06.000I didn't ever foresee this, you know, where we're sitting today, the things that we're seeing in society, countries doing what they're doing when it comes to violating, you know, our basic human right.
00:50:20.000You got to step back and you got to ask yourself, like, how did you get like civil rights movements and women's rights movements?
00:50:26.000And it all stems down to one thing, freedom, freedom of speech.
00:50:30.000I see it in a similar way because during the pandemic we saw the normalisation of regulation, authority and control in many ways that we've discussed even over the course of this show, and it seems that we're seeing the normalisation of the curtailing and controlling of free speech.
00:50:45.000Do we just accept the idea that, oh you can't say stuff like that, disinformation, misinformation, It's dangerous, and in order to prevent this misinformation having its impact, we simply have to shut down and control people's freedom.
00:50:56.000Are you ever surprised by how hard they work in order to shut you down?
00:51:06.000Because it seems like a few years ago, you'd just be an entrepreneur, like, oh, look, this is a fresh-faced entrepreneur.
00:51:12.000But now, to a degree, you face the kind of attacks that even the content creators face, right?
00:51:17.000Yeah, it's like there's this encroachment there's like when they're they use events to take away more rights from everybody they use They use that as an excuse to to infringe and take more power for them And that's what we saw during like kovat and rumble was you know There was nobody except us that was pushing back against that we we were the tip of the spear and we are the tip of the spear Right now we're the only company that walks away from countries when they ask us to remove a political opponent or remove a creator that doesn't violate our services.
00:51:52.000Yes, and what's interesting about it is that it's not a, what do I want to say, unilateral process.
00:51:58.000Like, some of the countries that Rumble's not in are Russia and China.
00:52:03.000Both of those countries are used to leverage international conflict, funded by American taxpayers, What was the reason that you... Can you explain the reasons for each of those territories and why Rumble's not in them?
00:52:16.000Yeah, so the genesis started with the first time that we experienced a ban that I'm aware of was out of China and this happened really, really early on and I didn't even know what happened until, you know, we got a notification from somewhere and we learned that China banned us first.
00:52:32.000But where it kind of like struck us And where we saw the censorship complex really kind of step in and tell people what they should and shouldn't hear, they think they're smarter than us, is France.
00:52:49.000France demanded us to take down Russian news sources.
00:52:53.000They demanded us to take down RT and some other channels that were tied to Russia or title, I don't know the actual details of who owns what or
00:53:03.000where, but they didn't violate any of our policies at all whatsoever. So we
00:53:07.000basically told France to go pound sand and we left France entirely on the premise
00:53:16.000of you know standing up for freedom of speech. So that was the the
00:53:19.000first domino to fall that was frightening because it's a Western, supposedly a
00:53:23.000Western democracy that protects human rights.
00:53:26.000Well, clearly, they have no care for human rights when they're trying to censor speech from whoever it may be.
00:53:32.000They don't think we're smart enough to figure something out.
00:53:35.000So at the end of the day, the next domino to fall was Brazil.
00:53:40.000Brazil asked us to remove a whole bunch of craters, some tied to politics, some not tied to politics, and we did the same thing.
00:54:17.000It was a reporter who reported on a whistleblower.
00:54:21.000And apparently this whistleblower provided data that went contrary to the COVID statistics from the health industry, the Health Ministry of New Zealand, and they whistleblowed the statistics about it that they lied about the statistics during COVID.
00:55:17.000We did not comply, and they turned us off at the IP level in Russia.
00:55:20.000So it's a very interesting world, to say the least, when you see supposedly Western democracies that are supposed to stand up for human rights are clearly not standing up for human rights.
00:55:33.000You've got to remember, freedom of expression is part of the U.N.
00:55:37.000Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19.
00:55:40.000This is like an established human right, and whether you like the U.N.
00:55:45.000or not, that's been established for many, many years, and it's obviously established as the First Amendment in the Constitution as well.
00:55:55.000You know, seeing these countries go against, you know, not only American values, but the human rights is crazy to me.
00:56:04.000I never thought I would be fighting this type of war, but, you know, I love it.
00:56:08.000I think this is the greatest thing to do.
00:56:11.000I think, you know, it gives me real purpose and gives everyone in this company real purpose.
00:56:16.000This is something really important, and I don't believe there's anything more important right now than fighting for this.
00:56:22.000In this way it is the fundamental value because without it we cannot assess and communicate about what our other values might be and it's extraordinary to hear that litany countries that are commonly portrayed as the baddies China and Russia and then you hear Nations like France that have a significant role to play in the establishment even of American independence and the values that we're turning to.
00:56:45.000The French Revolution and the subsequent outflow in values informed how this nation was established.
00:56:52.000So when you see the same principles undermined in various territories, you have to start wondering What is it that we're protecting in the United States of America?
00:57:03.000We have to start wondering what's going to happen when these kind of laws and these kind of measures are inevitably deployed in the UK or the United States.
00:57:12.000Hate speech laws are being used in Ireland, There's a new online safety bill in the UK because of course it's always safety that is used to safety and the protection of the citizens is what's always used to legitimize these measures.
00:57:27.000In Australia there was the rather audacious gambit of well we're going to have to ban platforms in other territories because using VPNs Australians might be able to access that content.
00:57:40.000Really it seems like the aim is authority and control.
00:57:43.000Yeah, and it's, you know, they're moving it through legislation now in countries outside of the United States.
00:57:54.000They tried doing it here in the United States.
00:57:56.000There was a law in New York that the Attorney General Letitia James was pushing with respect to hate speech that Platforms need to moderate hate speech or report.
00:58:07.000I think it was to report hate speech to a central database.
00:58:21.000And thankfully, in America, you have the First Amendment.
00:58:27.000The First Amendment and the Constitution is very valued here.
00:58:30.000You can have a great constitution in any country in the world.
00:58:33.000You can have the Bill of Rights in Canada that talks about freedom of speech.
00:58:36.000But if it's not being held up by the justice side of the government, then it's meaningless.
00:58:42.000And what you're seeing now in Canada and UK And Australia and Ireland are ways that they're trying to legislate to control speech.
00:58:52.000Imagine you're in a society where you can't voice your opinion for something that you so strongly believe is correct, but the government is telling you it's not correct and you're going to be punished and go to jail if you say that.
00:59:32.000Yeah, you're actually, and no one would condemn you for this, Canadian.
00:59:37.000Now what the hell is going on in your country, which was again one of the bastions of, like, liberalism and open-mindedness and progressivism, and yet once again we're seeing authoritarianism sort of creeping through, like, you know, those new media laws in your country.
00:59:53.000Can you imagine Rumble not being in Canada?
00:59:55.000Can you see, can you, if we've, You're already in a situation where you can't operate in Brazil, Russia, France.
01:00:01.000How do you feel you're going to maintain these kind of territories?
01:00:04.000So, you know, it's a personal mission of mine to fight this in Canada and make sure it doesn't happen.
01:00:09.000You know, we've had events now in Toronto kind of pushing back against this.
01:00:43.000Canadians were looked at as like a really great country 20 years ago, really nice people.
01:00:47.000We had the greatest reputation around the world.
01:00:49.000And now our reputation is of a leader that is authoritative, you know, putting people, taking people's bank accounts away and introducing bills that make no sense.
01:01:36.000But I'm pretty confident that it's not something that, if there is a new incoming government, which I think there'll be an election in the next year, is that it's not something that will fly.
01:01:49.000And the polls are shifting big time in Canada right now.
01:01:53.000So I'm a little more optimistic that Canada might be able to fight this going forward.
01:02:00.000When you talk about the ability to shut down bank accounts, the ability to impose house arrest, the encouraging of citizens to rat on one another, it becomes kind of clear why the demonisation of free speech and the ability to shut down free speech becomes a necessary component of any truly effective centralised model.
01:02:23.000You need to be able to stop people communicating because otherwise you can't push through the CBDCs, you can't Push through the legitimisation of house arrest.
01:02:31.000In a sense, you have to be able to control that.
01:02:33.000So, in a way, after sort of starting a platform, I'm sure, with all sorts of motivations, you've found yourself now, like, I didn't imagine when we first started working together that it would get this serious this quickly, that without, you know, with what I faced at the end part of last year.
01:02:50.000And I want to take this opportunity, actually, to thank you for the stand you took.
01:02:53.000I know that you did that on behalf of your principals because when it comes to...
01:02:57.000The fact is we have laws around what crime is, we have process around crime and criminality
01:03:03.000and we have principles and values around free speech.
01:03:07.000Google, YouTube, who I know that you're in legal battles with now because of monopolisation,
01:03:13.000these organisations have clearly got some kind of pact, either implicit, tacit or explicit,
01:03:18.000with governments to hand over information.
01:03:21.000The conversation we had with Mike Benz was amazing when Mike Benz talks about how certain entrepreneurs even had their PhDs funded by CIA carve-outs.
01:03:30.000There's just a total integration between these spaces.
01:03:33.000So I want to thank you for putting your principles where your mouth is when it came to that issue.
01:03:37.000That was something I want to personally thank you for.
01:03:40.000But did you imagine that it would escalate to this level of intensity this quickly?
01:04:44.000They only care about trying to knock us down.
01:04:47.000You can only assume that YouTube are somehow operating in Russia, whether it's coordinated or not, clearly what they're doing is in accordance with what Russia would have them do, otherwise they'd be out of there.
01:05:00.000And that kind of shows you the complexity of all this.
01:05:07.000In Canada, they're willing to shut down.
01:05:09.000You know, I suppose they would say, oh, we abide within the legal jurisdiction of whatever territory we're in.
01:05:15.000But it does seem that there is an overarching set of principles that are being ubiquitously applied, and that it always amounts to the ability to shut down people's power to communicate, to coordinate, and to oppose.
01:05:28.000Yeah, and that's essentially it, is that we're living in a society right now where these big corporate entities and these governments are calling the shots on what we can and cannot say, and what we can and cannot hear.
01:05:41.000And that is a really dangerous place to go.
01:05:44.000You don't get civil rights movements, you don't get women's rights movements, you don't get any positive movements in society moving in the right direction without this core principle being upheld.
01:05:54.000And it's sad that it's a company only like Rumble that's pushing forward on this, and it ain't the larger ones.
01:06:01.000It's nice to see X push a little bit on that, but they haven't taken to the extent that we have.
01:06:07.000If we could have a partner that would shut down countries the way we do, then the rest of the world would really start to listen because It can't just be Rumble.
01:06:15.000It needs to be much bigger than Rumble.
01:06:17.000Let's hope that we can begin to coordinate a movement along those lines and push for that together.
01:06:21.000Chris Pavlovsky, thanks for joining us in your building on our show.
01:06:25.000We'll have a longer conversation later this week.