Ron Klain, departing chief of staff, praises Joe Biden's abilities as a father. In a lacrimose announcement, he praises Biden's ability to be a good father. We re going to be looking at that in a moment, where Biden laptop revelations are abound, lost in euphemistic language. In unrelated news, in our item, we re talking about Bill Gates, not from a conspiratorial perspective, actually, not about his previous and past relationships. Those things are fascinating and interesting, but we re just tracking his investments throughout the pandemic. This guy has Nancy Pelosi-like investments. Why do I keep thinking that Nancy Pelosi and Paul Pelosi talk about the investments? It s not how it works. Let me know in the comments if you know who the second biggest funder of the WHO is, and let me know if you can provide us with a list of the two biggest funders of the Wuhan Lab Leak Project, which is funded in part by Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation, and which can be tracked throughout the Pandemic. We re also going to look at how Bill Gates got into the venture capital game, and why he s a great deal of money in the process. And why I don t think he s going to get into the stock market any time soon. We ll talk about that in this episode of Conspiracy Theories, and much more. If you like conspiracy theories and conspiracy theories, you ll love this one! Shout it out on the on the right wing of the internet, and I llllllllleee and the left wing of social media, and the conspiracy theories that goes with it. . And, of course, we ll be back in the next episode of the podcast, where we will be talking about it , right here on the next one coming soon, right here, right? in the future, right after the next week, right now! - Tom Tom ! Tim - Tim - by Tom by John Rocha, by ( ) by , and is coming back by Jim Tobias by the Intercept by The Intercept, and so on the left by Jimmy Tobias by The Daily Wire, Thanks for tuning in! by @ , & so much more! Thanks, Tom and by Bill
00:02:43.000Join us for the first 10 minutes while we're having a bit of a laugh here on YouTube, but once we click over onto Rumble, the home of free speech, that's what they're calling it, and certainly that's the reason we're there, so we can talk about the machinations of centralised power, the consent and consensus of the mainstream media in conveying narratives only that keep you, me, all of us in the dark, the inability for counter-narratives to simultaneously exist and be discussed Sensibly in an adult and empirical way in a climate where centralized corporate interests abide and govern.
00:03:14.000We're going to be talking about the Wuhan lab leak with a fantastic guest, Jimmy Tobias from The Intercept, talking about all sorts of stuff which couldn't be conveyed on YouTube because, as you know, YouTube's policy is set by the WHO.
00:04:12.000Before we get into that though, there's a time for sentiment.
00:04:15.000While you may not be able to afford energy, while you may be quaking under the weight of unpayable energy bills, true emotion is reserved for the expression of the changing of the guard within the White House.
00:04:29.000One plutocrat leaves, another plutocrat comes.
00:04:32.000Let's have a look at Rob Klain's departure speech.
00:04:36.000Learned everything I know about how to be a good father from Joe Biden.
00:04:41.000He is the best father I know and the best role model I know.
00:04:46.000And along the way, he's taught me a thing or two about politics and policy as well.
00:04:50.000He's learned everything I know about how to be a good father.
00:05:32.000Or the way that they keep files in garages.
00:05:36.000Get them in the silken wet southern garage.
00:05:40.000Ron Klain, whatever you think about him, I think he's sort of lobbied on behalf of mortgage companies and I don't think there's been any massive crashes around mortgages, subprime mortgages in the last 20 years that led to the rise of extremism and poverty.
00:05:56.000You're putting that all on Ron Klain, are you?
00:05:59.000I'm so sorry that your house was foreclosed!
00:06:02.000I should have lobbied on behalf of all... Sorry about Lehman Brothers!
00:06:06.000Sorry about the rise of different identities!
00:06:08.000Joe Biden has talked me to be the best corn pop boxer that money can buy!
00:06:46.000He seems like a cheery chap who, of course, has made a $440 million fortune, by coincidence, from the health industry, from questionable health care firms.
00:06:56.000Might be the reason why the hospitals are overwhelmed.
00:06:59.000Could have something to do with the fraud that's been committed.
00:07:13.000Just to clarify, while we're still on YouTube, in other news, have a look at the headline that announces that Hunter Biden's laptop has... Hunter Biden's legal team went on the offensive Wednesday, demanding state and federal investigations into the dissemination of his personal material purportedly to be from his laptop.
00:07:34.000So this is a case like he's already He's always said, oh it might be my laptop, I don't know, it might be, but it does sound a bit like it is when they're talking about dissemination of his personal material.
00:07:44.000The dissemination of his personal material is what's got him into this jam!
00:08:27.000I'm speaking now just as a stand-up comedian that his practice here is like in creating a scenario where he normalizes it and domesticizes it.
00:08:40.000Send it up sort of somewhat beautifully.
00:08:42.000This is no longer an analysis obviously of Trump's political views opposition and loads of you love him as a populist and surely equally as many of you question Donald Trump as a public figure.
00:08:54.000But here let's just look at him as an orator.
00:08:57.000Dad I left my laptop in a repair shop.
00:09:00.000I forgot to pick it up and this repair guy went a little crazy when he saw what was on it.
00:09:18.000I once watched a clip where when it was Clinton Hillary versus Trump they sort of asked them and it was actually sort of heartwarming a bit to say a nice thing about one another.
00:09:29.000They challenged them can you say one nice thing and he said she don't quit and he said his kids love him.
00:09:36.000Don't you want to see a little bit of humanity?
00:09:38.000When you're caught up in the spectacle of contemporary politics, even though it is very theatrical and at points emotional, what it feels to me most of all is spiritually bereft.
00:09:48.000The hypocrisy and corruption, to me, point to a lack of real values.
00:09:53.000That's why it's so alienating for me and so encouraging when you speak to someone like Christian Smalls, the emergent Amazon union leader, We need a different type of politics, that's what I would say.
00:10:03.000of a felt experience, someone that's working at a factory in a zero-contract job and has
00:10:30.000Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
00:10:31.000I think you're right about the humanity and I think you're right about what you said about Ron Klain before is that breakdown is like a moment that happens to politicians when they usually lose elections or quit their jobs and there's something it's that pent-up essentially having to lie about a system that is extremely
00:10:47.000broken and even in the lie of saying you know I've left I've left you in good hands with the
00:10:52.000next with the next chief of staff he knows that the next chief of staff has made 440 million
00:10:58.000dollars off fraudulent health care companies. Just one last lie then on to my crying then I'm
00:11:03.000out then I'm getting on my boat but with mortgage lobbying money and presumably some sort
00:11:08.000of state salary paid for by your tax dollars and in a way these are not indictments of any
00:11:13.000individuals but when you have a system built on the kind of values that it is you recognize that
00:11:19.000the individual character is less and less relevant than the individual character.
00:11:23.000That's something that was made clear to me by Yanis Varoufakis when he was talking about the EU after his party Soritza briefly looked like they could bring about radical social change in Greece.
00:11:32.000Then they met with the EU and it's like, you ain't doing nothing.
00:12:28.000Not only are they testing weapons in Ukraine, but they're looking at pushing CBDC, centralized banking digital currencies.
00:12:35.000But beyond that, It seems that in its post-war state, which people are already referring to in the reconstruction, you've seen Zelensky talking about Black Rock and JP Morgan.
00:12:44.000They're going to be piloting, this is according to our latest data and you can look this up for yourselves, digital surveillance, biometric technology, CBDC.
00:12:53.000So the Ukraine after everything is going to be a kind of piloting ground for all sorts of globalist techniques.
00:13:00.000Now at the moment, We make no claim that they're a centralised cadre of powerful individuals orchestrating all of this, but certainly the technology and infrastructure is being introduced to a degree that if ever there were such a cadre, we'd be in serious trouble.
00:13:15.000And I know some of you think that the cadre is already there.
00:13:18.000I think they've talked about Ukraine becoming 100% digital.
00:14:00.000So you're going to want to click over and watch us on Rumble for that.
00:14:04.000But now to put a little smile on your face before we leave YouTube, a heartwarming story about prisoners who perhaps are imprisoned simply for the crime of being poor and addicted, you know that's a significant number of prisoners, are going to have to give up their organs in order to get early freedom.
00:14:27.000Oh Biden, he's been like, he's taught me how to be a father!
00:14:40.000Firstly... Biden said I think one of his pledges when he came in was he was going to cut the prison population in half and I'm almost fairly sure that it's gone up.
00:14:47.000What we're going to do is cut them down the middle.
00:15:13.000In Massachusetts, Democrats have a bold new proposal for prisoners.
00:15:17.000Go on, donate your organs or bone marrow and get as little as a couple of months off your sentence.
00:15:24.000I don't know, isn't that already a Twilight Zone episode?
00:15:26.000Where you sort of go to, oh my god, ever since I've had this new heart, I'm experiencing terrible I'm afraid we accidentally darn gave you a murderer's heart.
00:15:38.000He's obviously not getting a couple of months off his sentence for murdering.
00:16:10.000I'm donating my tear ducts to a murderer!
00:16:15.000I don't know what generates those kind of reprehensible notions, but when human life itself becomes a commodity, when everything is information, when you are little more than data points, when they are working on technology that will mean that you can be nudged and manipulated into behaviours that are favourable to the interests of the state, then all bets are off.
00:18:21.000What we want to talk about today is Bill Gates' ability to exert influence through organisations like the WHO to make incredible amounts of money in fields like medicine and agriculture, areas where he has no more expertise, really, than you or I. Except, actually, I can't make any money out of it, so he has got more than me.
00:18:36.000But what I mean to say is, how can, at the end of all this profiteering, Bill Gates look himself in the mirror and say, there is a philanthropist?
00:18:53.000I suppose don't have dinners with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:18:56.000I suppose that's what everyone's saying now, aren't they?
00:18:58.000All over the world, I shouldn't have dinners and flights and some of that other stuff with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:19:03.000Gates and Epstein met numerous times beginning in 2011 according to a New York Times report, but Gates told CNN he only had dinners with him for potential philanthropic opportunities.
00:19:12.000Gotta find some opportunities for philanthropy.
00:19:15.000Maybe that guy over there with those teenagers.
00:19:39.000I see you're wearing, like, a black jacket and a white shirt and doing that squirmy face that people do when they don't want to talk about something.
00:20:25.000All of us are naturally interested in salacious stories of this nature and the media obviously enjoys reporting on certain aspects of them.
00:20:33.000But what I think is very interesting about Bill Gates is he's managed to maneuver himself Into a position where he can go around the world telling us what medicines to use, funding through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the WHO.
00:20:46.000He also funds the WHO through secondary foundations that he funds, and then they fund the WHO.
00:20:52.000He invests in, in particular, in vaccines and then sells them.
00:20:56.000Almost Nancy Pelosi skill-like levels of when to invest and when not to.
00:21:26.000But what most people don't know are the two other companies behind the mRNA vaccines.
00:21:31.000Moderna and BioNTech are two biotech startups founded in 2008 and 2010, respectively, with the state goal of pioneering messenger RNA, m-r-n-a, therapies to the world of healthcare.
00:21:44.000These two companies are one of the success stories of the coronavirus pandemic.
00:22:07.000Money started pouring in from the government, venture capitalists and private investors, including Bill Gates.
00:22:13.000Those investments came at a time when the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was the second biggest donor to the WHO.
00:22:20.000The first biggest is like a country like America or Germany, you know, where people So now, let's break down the Bill Gates vaccine timeline, so we can understand how Bill Gates' views, Bill Gates' billions, and the narrative that the rest of us are forced to drink down like a cup of cold sick, co-align nicely.
00:22:38.000In 2011, Bill Gates said that vaccine investment offers the best returns, according to a report from Reuters.
00:22:45.000Vaccines are one of the best investments we can make in the future.
00:23:49.000Gates says everyone who takes the vaccine is not just protecting themselves, but reducing their transmission to other people and allowing society to get back to normal.
00:24:42.000Gates says in an interview that the US and developed countries shouldn't lift COVID-19 vaccine patent protection to share with underdeveloped countries.
00:24:51.000This has always been a problematic moment in the vaccine narrative, because if you believe that vaccines are the solution, then surely you'd want to share that solution with everyone.
00:25:01.000What is suggested to me by that is that the vaccines were at least in part about profit.
00:25:05.000And if you add to that the fact that he heavily invested in BioNTech just before the start of the pandemic, I mean, let me know in the comments, let me know in the chat.
00:25:13.000Obviously, when Bill Gates spoke, he said, oh, no, you can't just trust people in various third world developed... Don't call them third world, that's racist.
00:25:44.000Gates tells the Lowy Institute think tank in Sydney that current vaccines are not infection blocking, they're not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection and they have very short duration.
00:25:54.000Now if that sounds different from earlier in the year when he said they were magic and sparkly and twinkly and that they were Jesus in a syringe, that's because it does seem a bit different.
00:26:04.000But let's have a look at him saying that.
00:26:06.000The current vaccines are not infection blocking, Uh, they're not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration.
00:26:16.000January 2023, BioNTech's value has dropped to 20.54 billion dollars.
00:26:21.000So, Bill Gates, among his many other skills, agriculture, buying up farmland, telling India what to do, telling Africa what to do, telling the world what to do, funding the WHO, inventing Windows, also now includes, he's a stock market genius!
00:26:35.000Either Bill Gates has Pelosi-style stock market timing, or there's something going on here.
00:26:42.000Do you think it's right, let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments, that someone who's so influential in the response to the pandemic, specifically saying that vaccines are the best thing in the world, also invests in and profits from vaccines?
00:26:54.000Do you think that that's philanthropy?
00:26:56.000Because I thought philanthropy was like being kind.
00:27:00.000She won't like making a fortune out of them tea towels, she won't.
00:27:02.000Philanthropy is supposed to be love of humankind and love and money seldom align.
00:27:09.000Let's see the figures behind Bill Gates' influence.
00:27:12.000The Gates Foundation is the second largest contributor to the WHO.
00:27:16.000As of September 2021, it had invested nearly $780 million in its programs that year.
00:27:21.000For an intergovernmental organization such as the WHO to be so reliant on private philanthropy, especially one whose leaders have personal interests and investments in healthcare, is problematic.
00:27:39.000Private foundations resources tend to be more dependent on the stock market and other investments and could have financial interests that run contrary to their stated missions.
00:27:48.000So they could be saying, on one hand, we're here to help people.
00:27:51.000And on the other hand, they could be making fortunes on the stock market that were somewhat induced by global conditions that they influence.
00:27:59.000This is Tim Schwab writing in The Nation.
00:28:01.000In 2020, the Gates Foundation reported a $40 million stake in CureVac.
00:28:06.000One of dozens of investments the foundation reports having in companies working on Covid vaccines, therapeutics, diagnostics or manufacturing.
00:28:13.000It looks like the Gates Foundation invested heavily in the WHO who make recommendations when it comes to global responses to healthcare crises and similarly invested in a number of organisations that were working on vaccines.
00:28:26.000Now if you wanted to be incredibly optimistic you'd say well look they're super committed therefore To healthcare and vaccines.
00:28:32.000So they're like, right, we've got to have influence in the WHO.
00:28:35.000Plus, we've got to make sure there's a bunch of people working on vaccines.
00:28:38.000But if that were the case, you wouldn't keep hearing the word profit.
00:28:48.000And as you know, Bill Gates is a philanthropist.
00:28:51.000These investments amounting to more than $250 million show that the world's most visible charity and one of the world's most influential voices in the pandemic response is in a position to potentially reap considerable financial gains from the COVID-19 pandemic.
00:29:04.000How many of the people that were hero worshipped in that pandemic profited from it?
00:29:11.000They want all of the money and they want to be patted on the back as they spend it.
00:29:14.000Revelations of the Gates Foundation's financial stake in COVID-19, which Bill Gates does not appear to have publicly disclosed in dozens of recent media appearances, speak to broader criticisms about the lack of transparency in the foundation's increasingly central role in the pandemic.
00:29:28.000I was at Jeffrey Epstein's house to work out a philanthropic response to any future pandemics and those waitresses, I don't know what they were doing, those meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, We're to discuss a surprise for your birthday and you ruined it!
00:29:49.000They don't even have a governance structure that's clear, notes Kate Elder, Senior Vaccines Policy Advisor to Doctors Without Borders.
00:29:57.000That is a philanthropic organisation and that's an alliance of doctors that go around the world responding to crises and emergencies.
00:30:03.000Those are the kind of voices that are important.
00:30:05.000You know that during the pandemic all sorts of voices that were excluded, scientists, people that invented vaccines, it just went all crazy.
00:30:12.000And really the one consistent thing appears to be that the people whose voices were most lionised and prized profited from it.
00:30:19.000Increasingly I see There's actually less information coming from the Gates Foundation.
00:30:22.000They don't answer most of our questions.
00:30:24.000They don't make their technical staff available for discussions with us when we're trying to learn more about their technical strategy on COVID and how they're prioritising certain things.
00:30:31.000Doctors Without Borders would surely be one of the organisations you'd want an open dialogue with, that you would be backing and supporting and sharing information with, it seems to me at least.
00:30:40.000And Gates's priorities in developing and distributing a COVID vaccine, Elder says, are increasingly the world's priorities, as multilateral institutions like the World Health Organization have ceded leadership to a group of public-private partnerships where Gates provides key funding.
00:30:54.000These organizations, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, are working with the WHO to develop the largest and most diverse COVID-19 vaccine portfolio in the world.
00:31:08.000That doesn't sound like philanthropy, does it?
00:31:09.000When you read it, it sounds like monopoly.
00:31:11.000James Love, director of the NGO Knowledge Ecology International, says the foundation's decades of work on vaccines, along with its sprawling financial ties, allowed it to assert influence early in the pandemic.
00:31:23.000Gates's leadership in the pandemic has been widely, almost universally praised.
00:31:27.000But because Gates is not an elected representative or public official, just let me read that again, he's not an elected representative or public official.
00:31:35.000The details of his far-reaching influence and finances have largely eluded public scrutiny.
00:31:40.000You have an enormous amount of power that affects everyone around the globe, and there should be some accountability, some transparency, says Love.
00:31:46.000People are not asking unreasonable things.
00:32:20.000Mine's... Well, it is your business, but just fuck off!
00:32:22.000Jörg Scharber, executive director of the German advocacy group Buko Pharma Campaign, sees the Gates Foundation as having an ideological investment in this business model, pointing to many of the foundation's senior staff who come from the pharmaceutical industry, including the president of Gates' global health program.
00:32:37.000It's very interesting that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation board is made up from people from profitable pharmaceutical companies and experts in the field.
00:32:45.000Of course, obviously, you could argue that their expertise is necessary due to that endeavour.
00:32:48.000But it's curious that we just accept that.
00:32:50.000That it's not made up of other philanthropists and other people with experience in charity and helping people.
00:32:56.000And that the investments are inscrutable.
00:32:58.000It's kind of comparable to Zelensky inviting Blackrock, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs to be involved in the redevelopment or reconstruction of Ukraine.
00:33:07.000When you hear those names, when you hear those associations, you have to recognise that there are systemic biases, that there is a systemic agenda.
00:33:14.000You don't spend your whole life in Big Pharma and then go, oh right, I'm just going to grow a long beard and go around the world helping people.
00:33:21.000Well, as it turns out, exerting influence over the WHO, investing in vaccine companies, making some charitable donations, which, you know, OK, where do they end up?
00:33:29.000Other organisations that are lobbying the WHO.
00:33:32.000It sounds a little bit like it's too much in alignment with the kind of profitable endeavours that Bill Gates made his fortune in.
00:33:40.000Other critics note how the Gates Foundation's endowment could benefit from the foundation pushing COVID vaccine development towards exclusive licenses.
00:33:47.000Again, that's not that philanthropic, is it?
00:33:49.000Bill Gates's tax records and investment portfolio bear scrutiny because of his leadership role in the pandemic, whose total cost to the global economy is in the trillions of dollars.
00:33:57.000Public understanding of Gates finances is also limited by the foundation's maze of inscrutable investments.
00:34:02.000What is this constant intrigue in the foundation's maze of inscrutable investments?
00:34:08.000Well, it's just that we can't scrutinise them.
00:34:35.000If the pandemic does end up delivering a financial windfall to Bill Gates or his foundation, it may pale in comparison to the political boost he's received as Earth's de facto vaccine czar.
00:34:45.000His widely lauded role in the pandemic already appears to have helped institutionalise and normalise his political power in other areas where the foundation works.
00:34:53.000When WHO was formed as an intergovernmental organisation, it would have been unimaginable that a private foundation could have such influence.
00:35:00.000Said Lawrence Gostin, Faculty Director for the O'Neill Institute at Georgetown University.
00:35:05.000It would enable a single rich philanthropist to set the global health agenda.
00:35:10.000So isn't the main point we're making here that Bill Gates has PR'd himself into this astonishing position and is the de facto earth czar of pandemics and agricultural expert and evidently an expert in computers and economics and all of these Fields, including the many, many fields that he owns literally in the United States of America, where philanthropy doesn't appear to be at the forefront of the enterprise.
00:35:35.000Profit appears to be at the forefront of the enterprise.
00:35:38.000Influence, control, power, these things are worthy of scrutiny.
00:35:43.000Most of us are becoming suspicious about the globalist agenda that appears to be being enacted, that was exacerbated by the pandemic that to a degree required at least global coordination.
00:35:53.000But that global coordination ought to have led to better health care, less deaths, benefit and care packages for ordinary people, rather than more and more opportunities to centralise wealth Bill Gates I think uniquely appears to be a figure that's widely regarded and reported on as being a philanthropist when there is another narrative that isn't being explained or presented to us.
00:36:17.000And I think that we ought be able to discuss that without being regarded as conspiracy theories.
00:36:23.000So whether or not he had dinners with Jeffrey Epstein, just a couple of dinners, just a couple of dinners with Jeffrey Epstein, The show also has a bunch of weird financial ties and relationships, aside from the more evident and lurid stuff.
00:36:33.000Or we just track Bill Gates' role throughout the pandemic.
00:36:36.000It seems that there are a lot of inquiries and questions that aren't being made in the mainstream media, where, curiously, Bill Gates also makes a large number of investments or donations, or whatever you want to call them, because I don't know why newspapers need bloody donations.
00:37:22.000Thanks for continuing to watch our show.
00:37:24.000We go from one controversial, potentially conspiratorial story underwritten with hard facts, to another story where facts are continually denied and thrown shade upon in order, I think, to control particular narratives or, more specifically, counter narratives.
00:38:30.000And representatives of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a charity by the way, they were exchanging emails about potential origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
00:38:42.000Tell me, what were your objectives when writing your recent article, mate?
00:38:48.000Yeah, well, you know, I sued the NIH to obtain these records and, you know, they were pretty eye-opening, newsworthy, I thought.
00:38:55.000And in writing this article, we were really just trying to lay them out in the context in which they were written so people could see what some of the most important and influential people who were, you know, directing the pandemic response were saying about the origins of the virus in the very early days of the outbreak.
00:39:12.000What conclusions have you drawn or what in particular did you find interesting?
00:39:17.000What in particular do you think was at odds with the broadly conveyed public message?
00:39:23.000Well, I mean, the documents show that Dr. Fauci in early 2020 was alerted to concerns, you know, among some of the world's top virologists that the virus looked potentially engineered.
00:39:34.000And what followed was a series of confidential calls and emails between Dr. Fauci, NIH Director Francis Collins, Patrick Vallance, who is the Chief Science Advisor to the UK government, and a group of other prominent scientists discussing the virus's origins.
00:39:50.000And early on, some of the scientists on these calls and emails really couldn't figure out how this virus was produced in nature, given some of its unusual features.
00:40:00.000They thought it may have come from a lab.
00:40:02.000Other people on these calls and emails disagreed and thought it looked like it came from nature, but These deliberations went on for more than a week.
00:40:09.000Pretty early in the discussions, they sort of discarded the idea that it was engineered and instead focused on an idea that it was sort of accidentally created and released from a lab via this type of laboratory process called serial passage experiments.
00:40:28.000And so during this time, they also started writing up drafts of what would become the very famous Proximal Origin paper, one of the best read papers in science history.
00:40:37.000And that paper ultimately found that the virus came from nature.
00:40:43.000So these conversations started on January 31st.
00:40:46.000By February 8th, one of the scientists involved, Christian Anderson of Scripps, Describe the focus of the group's work as an effort to, quote, disprove any type of lab theory.
00:40:58.000But even after all this debate, they still couldn't come down on one side.
00:41:01.000You know, they couldn't say it was a lab or they couldn't say it was a natural origin.
00:41:05.000I mean, they weren't ready to publish and then somehow between February 8th and early March.
00:41:10.000They overcame this uncertainty and published this proximal origin paper that came down very, very strongly on a natural origin site.
00:41:18.000And the documents don't really show how they overcame their uncertainty, how they went from, you know, this looks engineered, this looks like it could have been an accidental lab leak to, you know, The proximal origin conclusion, which was they said they don't believe any type of, you know, lab based scenario is plausible.
00:41:33.000So that's sort of in some what these documents show.
00:41:36.000This conversation is very heated, anxious, confidential conversation in January and February 2020.
00:41:43.000One of the participants in those conversations was Peter Daszak from the EcoHealth Alliance, who was involved in NIH-funded research in the Wuhan lab at that time.
00:41:55.000Obviously, there's no evidence to suggest that there's any corollary between those pieces of information.
00:42:00.000But given the natural origin theories preeminent and the lack of public contemplation, at least for the potential of
00:42:09.000a lab leak, it does seem that that's the very essence of a narrativized
00:42:14.000approach to data that could have perhaps been more equivocally presented.
00:42:18.000And it's difficult not to deduce that the reason that the information wasn't presented in a more balanced manner is
00:42:24.000because they would prefer that, broadly speaking, the public favored natural origin because
00:42:30.000of the lack of obvious culpability from the people in the field of pharmacological research.
00:42:36.000Does that seem like a reasonable set of assumptions, mate?
00:42:41.000Well, actually, Peter Adazig was not was not a participant in these conversations, but, you know, I think.
00:42:47.000When I wrote this article, I interviewed a variety of, you know, prominent experts and scientists.
00:42:52.000Some of them said, you know, this is just science at work.
00:43:31.000You know, more questions that need to be asked, whether that's from Congress, who's now investigating this issue, or other scientists.
00:43:37.000But, you know, the documents certainly raise the kind of questions that you're bringing up.
00:43:43.000Like, how did they get from A to B, especially given some of the unusual features of the virus that they were so deeply concerned about early on in these conversations?
00:43:52.000Additionally, it was obviously very difficult for you to gain access to this material.
00:43:57.000Similarly, that suggests that there is a kind of clandestine hue to this data.
00:44:05.000At very least, it seems to suggest that there ought be more transparency, but in spite of my error there in suggesting that Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance were involved in that particular email chain, there's some Evidence I understand of, if not collusion, communication between the NIH EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:44:29.000That, along with the amplification of the natural origin theory, when there isn't, as I understand it, Conclusive evidence that that is the case even on the basis of these emails suggests that there is a very least a preference for and even in the jump between a conversation that is multifaceted and multivalent to a unilateral and global response I suppose like you know when I'm trying to look at this from the most what do I want to say compassionate perspective I think what it is is
00:45:04.000They were deeply concerned about this pandemic, and they knew that there would have to be a unified
00:45:09.000response due to the nature of the pandemic,
00:45:11.000and they couldn't deal with the complication and confusion and the potential hit that their credibility would take
00:45:17.000if people were simultaneously digesting the idea that this was somehow involved human ineptitude.
00:45:23.000And we got a timeline, man, for the stuff that went on in Wuhan.
00:45:26.000I'm sure you're well familiar with that.
00:45:28.000Installing air conditioning units, ripping them out again, all sorts of weird stuff going on.
00:45:34.000I suppose, mate, because, gosh, I hope it's not just cynicism and reductivism,
00:45:40.000I feel that I have a tendency, at least, to direct people towards a condemnatory outlook
00:45:47.000of the players in establishing this narrative.
00:45:50.000And I guess it seems to me that you're much more, kind of, I don't know, balanced,
00:45:53.000and you don't leap to those kind of conclusions, huh?
00:45:58.000Well, you know, I'm interested in the documents.
00:46:00.000I'm interested in what else is out there.
00:46:02.000I think there definitely should be a continuing investigation among scientists and representatives of the public into what went on, you know, here and in relation to the origin.
00:46:13.000I don't think, you know, I don't think there's dispositive evidence on one side or the other.
00:46:18.000And so, you know, just yesterday, the Congress Launch investigation to this question was very I thought it was very sober and and balance sort of sort of investigation, but they're looking at these questions and no one.
00:46:29.000I don't think anyone has conclusive evidence, but but, you know, one of the things that stands out for me from these emails is.
00:46:39.000These some of the things they saw in the virus in its genome, you know, several of the scientists early on were puzzled by the presence in the virus's genome of a furin cleavage site, which is a feature that has not been found in other SARS related coronaviruses.
00:49:11.000We've never seen that in nature to, no, no, that's definitely a natural origin.
00:49:16.000A sudden truncating of inquiry occurred in conjunction with global censorship.
00:49:22.000And heavy redacting and control of these emails, which you have tenaciously acquired.
00:49:29.000And I suppose we're from different disciplines and backgrounds, and I suppose collectively we have an obligation to lean into our particular skill sets.
00:49:38.000Yours seems to be the unbiased analysis of various data.
00:49:43.000Mine is the emotional incendiary rousing of suspicion.
00:49:47.000Gareth, what do you want to bring to this conversation?
00:49:51.000No, I just think it's really interesting what Jim is saying, that there are extremely prominent scientists that can't explain what they want us to think.
00:50:00.000So this idea at the time that there's simply no way that it could have been leaked from a lab, that it's a natural origin, and yet there are prominent scientists, and it didn't seem at the time like those Views were you know allowed to be discussed and it kind of seems like something that's happened a lot over the last few years in terms of experts in their fields being marginalized and You know Where as we're told kind of our conspiracy theorists But I think expertise not being allowed to kind of be present and spoken about doesn't seem like a great idea Does Jimmy?
00:50:36.000Yeah well I'll say you know one of the one of the scientists I spoke to for this story who is a computational virologist at a university around Philadelphia and you know he's sort of agnostic on the lab leak or natural origin question you know he said looking at these documents it started out as this fairly careful discussion where they're airing out these anomalies and And, you know, they say multiple times we don't have the data to resolve where this thing came from.
00:51:01.000But at some point, you know, he says he thought that, you know, there was such strong pressure that they went from let's just wait for more data to let's publish something, you know, that has a very strong opinion favoring one explanation over the other without acquiring new data.
00:51:18.000And, you know, if I if these folks had talked to me, I would have asked them some of these questions, you know.
00:51:24.000Neutrally, I just want to hear what they have to say about how they got from A to B on this very, very important paper.
00:51:31.000And, you know, there are other things going on, too.
00:51:33.000You know, I mentioned in the article that before these calls and conversations really kicked off, Dr. Fauci went to his deputy to find out what kind of funding arrangements the NIH had established with institutions in China.
00:51:48.000And just last week, the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services released a pretty scathing report about failures of NIH oversight on some of the grants that went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology,
00:52:00.000which is a leading center of coronavirus research in China, in the city where
00:52:36.000And so, this Inspector General report, you know, suggests that NIH consider banning the Institute from any, you know, future funds for research.
00:52:45.000But, you know, I think the fact that, you know, that Institute has been stonewalling the federal government is concerning, I think, to say.
00:52:53.000I think it's fair to say it's very concerning.
00:52:55.000and raises questions as do these documents.
00:53:20.000So they missed deadlines, ignored protocols, a dog ate their homework.
00:53:26.000Let's have a look at that timeline again, if we could, just to take us on what I call a little meander through Wuhan and some of the more anomalous facts.
00:53:39.000So in autumn 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology had a number of outstanding maintenance projects including environmental air disinfection system and hazardous waste treatment system.
00:53:50.000A notice of laboratory inspection was issued for September 2019.
00:53:53.000Shortly after in 2019, still September, the WIV, the Wuhan Institute, took their public virus database offline.
00:54:00.000Get that offline, it's about September 2019.
00:54:03.000The Lablan announced a contract competition to renovate their air conditioning system for approximately $660 million.
00:54:11.000It's the World Cup of Air Conditioning.
00:54:13.000The announcement was later removed from the Chinese Ministry of Finance website.
00:54:18.000This, along with the inquiries that Fauci was making, sort of suggests that there was definite concern, both within the NIH and in the Wuhan Institute itself.
00:54:31.000Like, it's an extraordinary... That's the issue, isn't it, with all of this, is that when Fauci's questioned and is kind of so dogmatic about the origins of this and what it could be and what it couldn't be, and I guess what a lot of people, Jimmy included, are calling for is some transparency and discussion around this, rather than, as I say, the kind of dogmatic approach to, this is the only way it could have happened, even though all this new evidence is coming to light.
00:55:07.000Well, Jimmy, what was it that made you start this inquiry in the first place?
00:55:11.000Why did you have this journalistic hunch in a profession now that's more determined by towing the line and keeping your mouth shut and being an establishment mouthpiece?
00:55:20.000Where do you get this intrepid spirit of inquiry from?
00:55:23.000And do you feel a bit pleased with yourself now that you've got it?
00:55:27.000Well, yeah, I'm really pleased we got these documents and it was a long fight.
00:55:31.000And, you know, I have to give credit to my FOIA attorneys who worked for me on a pro bono basis.
00:55:40.000I mostly cover wildlife and conservation issues, really.
00:55:43.000And, you know, that's sort of what initially drew me to this topic, because, you know, obviously, habitat degradation, wildlife trade issues are contributing to the rise of emerging infectious diseases.
00:55:54.000And I also do a lot of FOIA requests and kind of probe federal environmental agencies, especially.
00:56:00.000And so in 2021, the journalist Jason Leopold is also a great FOIA reporter, obtained a really large batch of Dr. Fauci's emails, and they were heavily redacted.
00:56:09.000And so in reading those, I saw sort of some of these conversations, but they were all, you know, behind black redactions.
00:56:16.000And so I filed some of my own FOIA requests, sort of targeting some of the communications that were in that larger batch from Jason Leopold.
00:56:23.000I mean, what I got back were a bunch of documents, but they were very heavily redacted.
00:56:27.000And so we sued over the redactions, and eventually NIH relented and released them, you know, last November, late last November, right before the Thanksgiving holiday, right before Dr. Fauci, you know, left office.
00:56:41.000So, you know, we didn't even have a judge order them to release them.
00:56:45.000They actually did it, according to my lawyers, of their own accord, but it's sort of unclear
00:56:51.000why they did it then after dragging their feet for so long about these redactions.
00:56:57.000Jimmy, thank you so much for joining us and thank you for your intrepid, tenacious work in revealing this important information to a wider audience and for your rather charming interest in nature and natural habitats.
00:57:30.000I'm really worried that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is... Especially as I've received a large payment from... My friend Peter Daszak and he can help a lot.
00:59:01.000I just thought, throw a question in there.
00:59:04.000People might like that, and if they do, why don't you watch our show Stay Connected, where me and Gareth show you the show behind the show, where we respond to your questions and inquiries, anything you want to know about how we compile this investigative great work.
00:59:17.000It's mostly I can tell you now, it's me, I do all of the work.
00:59:19.000But if you want a deeper look at how it's done, if you want to know how it is that sometimes we suddenly stop broadcasting in the middle of the stream, that's because of our fault, isn't it Gareth?
00:59:28.000Oh, one of the lads who works here, he suddenly just, he's off looking out the window eating a Cornish pasty, don't press the right button, he don't know what he's doing, the poor sod, he's staring around the place.
00:59:37.000Just looking at wildlife, he's like Jimmy.
00:59:39.000He's like Jimmy, he might be, oh look, a kingfisher, oh no, the stream's stopped!
00:59:45.000Get the stream out there, is what I say.
00:59:47.000So you can see how we come up with this work.
00:59:49.000Also, we focus more on the emotional, mental health, spiritual aspects.
00:59:53.000You know, listen, we're going to have to sort our spirits out, aren't we, Gareth?
00:59:56.000If we're going to contend with an atrophying world full of the corrupt, governed by some of the most evil dominator cultural forces in history... Revolution.
01:00:05.000We've got some fantastic stories coming up for you next weekend, some amazing guests, and we're rounding off the week in what I would call great style, with an incredible flourish.
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01:00:18.000Me and him will be talking about corruption, the mindsets behind corruption, How to actually deal with living in this world right now.