Stay Free - Russel Brand - “FBI Infiltrated Lockdown Protests!” | Max Blumenthal EXPOSES Deep State Covid Operations

00:00:01.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:00:02.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:05.000 We're talking to Max Blumenthal, one of my favourite journalists.

00:00:07.000 It's a brilliant conversation.

00:00:08.000 We'll be talking about censorship as well, because Elon Musk is taking on the Ireland hate speech bill, and it's a vital thing that he's doing there.

00:00:15.000 We're talking about it in some depth.

00:00:17.000 If you're interested in free speech and proper journalism, You're going to love this show.

00:00:21.000 The first part will be on YouTube, but then the censorship, it just gets to us, man.

00:00:26.000 Feeling the globalists' fingers around our throats.

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00:00:47.000 Today's conversation is one such.

00:00:49.000 You could have joined us live for that.

00:00:51.000 I think we did it live.

00:00:52.000 Maybe not because Max is so edgy.

00:00:54.000 He's the editor-in-chief and investigative journalist at Greyzone.

00:00:57.000 He gets attacked all the time.

00:00:58.000 They're always trying to defund him, demonetize him, and shut him down.

00:01:01.000 In a way, I'm not surprised because he's got some pretty strong anti-establishment views.

00:01:05.000 Here's Max Blumenthal with some pretty exciting stuff.

00:01:09.000 I'm joined now by Max Blumenthal from Greyzone.

00:01:12.000 Max, thanks so much for coming on.

00:01:14.000 Good to see you.

00:01:15.000 Yes, good to see you as well.

00:01:17.000 We've got a lot to talk about today.

00:01:18.000 We've got to talk about the censorship industrial complex.

00:01:21.000 We've got to talk about the level of control that's being exerted around the reporting on the numerous wars, whether it's Ukraine, Russia, the conflicts across the Middle East and the significance of that.

00:01:35.000 Our recent investigations that I've been privy to suggest that there are numerous non-government organizations that nevertheless receive government funding that have been involved in censoring, surveilling, deamplifying, monitoring my content and providing quotes to traditional media sources or legacy media sources to choose a term.

00:01:57.000 Are you familiar with these types of agencies that provide the cartilage often between the state and private sector and crush dissent by proxy?

00:02:08.000 I'm intimately familiar with them because they're targeting me as we speak.

00:02:13.000 What issues do you find that you are most penalized for discussing and what do you infer from it?

00:02:21.000 How do you use it as a diagnostic tool?

00:02:23.000 How do you use it as a kind of understanding of how power is operating when you experience censure?

00:02:31.000 Well, the censorship industrial complex works through the media, and it exists as an appendage of the so-called intelligence community, which is neither intelligent nor particularly communal, and actually wants us to be less intelligent and less critical about third rail issues, whether it's COVID or Western imperialism intervention abroad.

00:02:58.000 So at the gray zone, you know, we do investigative journalism.

00:03:02.000 I've been focusing on this issue of Israel Palestine for 15 years or more.

00:03:09.000 And, you know, on October 7.

00:03:13.000 Hamas attacked Israel from the besieged Gaza Strip, an attack by an occupied militant group, and this unleashed a globally cataclysmic event.

00:03:27.000 And now, you know, we're what, 118 days later, Israel has slaughtered close to 30,000 people,

00:03:36.000 40% of whom are children.

00:03:39.000 And it's used the October 7th attack, and not just the attack, but the number of dead

00:03:45.000 and a lot of atrocities to justify what a Essentially, the International Court of Justice has essentially ruled to be genocide, and I consider their assault to be genocidal.

00:03:57.000 Now that's sort of, I'm just trying to set the stage to explain an attack that we're facing from the censorship industrial complex.

00:04:05.000 And so, we dug into what actually happened on October 7th, and for sure, atrocities took place against Israeli non-combatants.

00:04:12.000 As well as hundreds of other soldiers who are enforcing the siege.

00:04:15.000 But we found, and this is now being confirmed in blockbuster investigations in Israeli Hebrew media, that friendly fire orders were given to the Israeli media to attack vehicles and homes that contained not only Hamas militants, but Israeli civilians, Knowing that many Israelis would be killed.

00:04:37.000 And so we now know many Israelis were killed by friendly fire on October 7th.

00:04:41.000 We also know many of the most heinous accusations of atrocities, like for example, beheaded babies are completely false and were spread by organizations that are fundraising off of these tall tales.

00:04:54.000 This has all now been exposed in Israeli media.

00:04:57.000 We exposed it first at the Gray Zone along with a few other independent outlets and were attacked.

00:05:03.000 The Washington Post approached us About two weeks ago, through its Silicon Valley reporter, her name is Elizabeth Dwoskin, and she's the social media reporter.

00:05:15.000 So all of these Silicon Valley reporters from legacy media, corporate media, they're all folk, they're basically stenographers for the censorship industrial complex, which exists to control Silicon Valley and all of the social media platforms.

00:05:29.000 It's why you're on Rumble.

00:05:31.000 And she said, we want to talk to you about minimizing October 7th atrocities.

00:05:36.000 I called her, but I actually called her during our live stream and held her to account for her bogus accusation and her whole record of being a pro-Israel partisan, which is a sort of a separate issue, but she's someone who's dedicated to supporting Israel and pretending to be an objective journalist.

00:05:55.000 She publishes a smear piece about us And her entire piece is based on research from something called the National Contagion Research Institute.

00:06:05.000 And we've written about this place before, but it's one of many, many intelligence cutouts founded by a former researcher from the Anti-Defamation League.

00:06:15.000 Which is a extortion racket for the Israel lobby, but which also works with law enforcement, has hundreds of people in Silicon Valley pressuring Facebook, Meta, Twitter, and everything else.

00:06:26.000 It's running a whole operation to basically dislodge Elon Musk from X because he's allowed too much free speech.

00:06:33.000 And they lied about us, claimed we said most Israeli casualties on October 7th were caused by friendly fire, and basically accused us of being anti-Semites.

00:06:43.000 She also turned to the Atlantic Council, which is a think tank here in Washington, which is funded Not by some independent donors.

00:06:52.000 They're not doing any thinking in there.

00:06:54.000 It's all tank and no think.

00:06:55.000 They're funded by the arms industry, by pro-Israel donors, and by NATO, as well as the Gulf states.

00:07:02.000 It's basically just another front organization for imperial and military interests.

00:07:11.000 But none of that was told to Washington Post readers.

00:07:15.000 than Bill Maher, who poses as some real politically incorrect, uh, He's an atheist who stands above it all.

00:07:24.000 He goes on his show and he cites this article uncritically, and basically the article links us to Holocaust denial, QAnon, and says that we are October 7th deniers, when all we've done is expose facts which are now corroborated by Israeli mainstream reporters about a day, one of those days, you know, 9-11, January 6th, October 7th.

00:07:50.000 That is still poorly understood and has not been sufficiently investigated by any independent commission.

00:07:59.000 Now, listen, if you're watching this on YouTube, we can't go any further because Max has got some pretty strong views on, let's call it, Middle Eastern conflict that I wouldn't feel confident putting up on YouTube.

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00:08:21.000 What then does your reporting propose?

00:08:27.000 What are you saying has been corroborated?

00:08:30.000 How is that plain and distinct from QAnon theories?

00:08:36.000 Holocaust denialism. Tell me what it is, plainly, that you're saying that some deaths were caused

00:08:42.000 by friendly fire, some of the more egregious accounts were untrue, the beheadings and the

00:08:49.000 rape charges and the mass... What was untrue? And are you suggesting that there was a sort

00:08:57.000 of a coordinated media effort to ensure that October the 7th was reported in a particular

00:09:04.000 way? And how do we, when we are reporting in a stance that is oppositional to even the

00:09:13.000 immediately received wisdom on an event almost as it's unfolding...

00:09:17.000 Prevent ourselves from out of, you know, this is probably something I have to be more cautious of than you, becoming immediately allied to sort of lazy conspiracy theory, pre-existing tropes.

00:09:33.000 How do you create You know, how do you create clear distance between your reporting and antisemitism?

00:09:40.000 How do you manage that?

00:09:42.000 Is it possible or is it impossible because there's almost an attempt to fill that gap by, you know, the people that oppose the type of reporting you're engaged in?

00:09:52.000 Well, it's unfortunate that The Israel lobbyists who accuse everyone who opposes the atrocities that Israel's been committing against Palestinians for, not just since October 7th, but for 75 years or more, they accuse them all of anti-Semitism.

00:10:09.000 People who are principled opponents of the ideology of Zionism all get labeled anti-Semites now, so they've cheapened the idea of anti-Semitism to the point where the real anti-Semites feel emboldened and feel like they're the real truth-tellers.

00:10:24.000 So, in many ways, they need anti-Semitism to persevere and expand in order to justify Israel's existence as a sanctuary for Jews.

00:10:36.000 And we can see from October 7th, it's not a very good sanctuary.

00:10:39.000 It's definitely not keeping them safe by holding some 7 million people under occupation, discrimination behind de facto prison walls.

00:10:50.000 So, when October 7th erupted, There was no doubt that people were killed in horrible ways who were Israeli civilians by Hamas militants and others.

00:11:07.000 I mean, we never denied that they were shot, for example, but what Israel needed to do Which is the same thing that, for example, the American national security state, the Bush administration, the Dick Cheney's needed to do after 9-11 or what the Democrats needed to do after January 6, which was a riot.

00:11:28.000 I witnessed it.

00:11:29.000 9-11 was a horrible attack that killed 3,000 people.

00:11:32.000 They need to get us to decontextualize the event, to become traumatized, and to turn off our critical faculty so we surrender to their solution, which is Uh, you know, massive national security dragnet, huge military assault, not just on one focused area, but across the Middle East and a giant defense buildup and profits for themselves.

00:11:57.000 And we're not allowed to ask critical questions.

00:11:59.000 And so what we did on October after October 7th was not only explain the context for this, which was political, Hamas did have clear political goals, the main one being capturing as many Israelis as they could to force Israel and the West, which funds Israel, gives it unlimited weapons to negotiate with them because they have no diplomatic channels at all and they're under siege.

00:12:23.000 But beyond that, we showed how the death toll was inflated.

00:12:27.000 We now know it wasn't 1,400.

00:12:30.000 About 690 civilians were killed and hundreds of Israeli soldiers.

00:12:35.000 But more than that, there's this gigantic scandal, which Israelis are up in arms about, about friendly fire.

00:12:42.000 And we were one of the first English language publications to expose this, to highlight the testimony of actual witnesses to tanks firing on homes filled with Israelis because they were being held captive by Hamas, knowing that Israelis were there.

00:12:59.000 We were among the few independent publications that everyone should be reading right now, Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss, that exposed the testimony of these survivors, which was only known to some Hebrew-language Israeli media consumers, and we brought that into the English-language realm, and now we're being punished for this.

00:13:22.000 wrote about the Hannibal Directive, which is actually a once-secret directive within the Israeli military that authorizes Israeli, for example, helicopter pilots or Israeli soldiers to kill other Israeli soldiers or Israeli citizens if they're being held captive in order to deny The militant faction of the Palestinians, the possibility of a prisoner swap, because politically that's so damaging for Israel as we now see.

00:13:52.000 We wrote about, we debunked a lot of the sexual assault allegations which were rolled out actually not after October 7th, but in late November, early October at the United Nations.

00:14:08.000 And an event in the Israeli mission at the United Nations featuring Sheryl Sandberg and Hillary Clinton.

00:14:15.000 Hillary Clinton, who lied about Iraqi WMD.

00:14:18.000 Hillary Clinton, whose State Department under Obama falsely claimed that Qaddafi's soldiers were hepped up on Viagra and going out and mass raping women in Libya in order to justify a NATO intervention that not only destroyed Libya, but large parts of Africa.

00:14:35.000 This was a clear PSYOP campaign to continue to shock the Western public into submission to prevent us from thinking critically, prevent us from calling for a ceasefire, which would actually allow for the release of the hostages in the Gaza Strip.

00:14:51.000 And to allow this genocidal assault to continue, and, you know, we're being punished for it, but more and more we're actually starting to see that we're also being vindicated.

00:15:02.000 The New York Times ran what was supposed to be the gold standard of stories alleging that systematic sexual assault was employed on October 7th, and now the New York Times itself has refused to run a video report at its daily show about that because so much of the New York Times staff has actually paid attention to our debunking and the debunking by other independent outlets of their own article and they no longer gauge it to be true.

00:15:33.000 They believe they're actually being misled by an Israeli government which is furnishing them with witnesses and dodgy dossiers in order to manufacture international consent for this hideous assault that we see unfolding before our eyes.

00:15:48.000 So, as long as we can think critically, whether it's about October 7th, January 6th, 9-11, or any of these dates that are rammed down our throats, we're constantly told they're the next Pearl Harbor, the second Holocaust, as long as we can think critically about that, we can actually come to rational solutions that save lives.

00:16:08.000 And that was actually If you look at Julian Assange's last statement before he was silenced, he was basically saying that and he was also, he actually referenced, and this is before the Covid event, he actually referenced pandemics.

00:16:23.000 Yes, it's pretty astonishing.

00:16:25.000 So what you are saying is that Your reporting is focused on the decontextualization of that event.

00:16:36.000 It was extracted from historical events and the ongoing dynamic in that region between the Palestinian people and the Israeli security forces.

00:16:48.000 The numbers inaccurate, friendly fire was extracted, more egregious events were added, amplified, and I certainly can see that in some of the online punditry around those events, I was alarmed to note that the nature of October the 7th, the nature as initial reporting described it, and I feel as one must I should caveat this with any people being, you know, I'm an anti-war person.

00:17:22.000 I don't think that that should ever be a solution.

00:17:24.000 I think non-violent solutions should always be sought.

00:17:27.000 I think that the diplomacy should always be prized and heralded and sought.

00:17:35.000 Nevertheless, I saw many online pundits say that the reason that the response to these events can be so aggressive and will involve the death of many citizens is because there is a unique inflection to the type of violence and therefore the character of the people that inflicted that violence that means you cannot employ almost even a western mentality when deciding how to address or respond to those events.

00:18:14.000 So I can certainly see that there was utility in characterizing those attacks in ways that you're reporting shows or you know, depending on where you stand on your

00:18:25.000 reporting Max, obviously I know you stand by it, that some of the aspects of those attacks that were

00:18:30.000 used to legitimize the nature of the response have, were untrue. Not that there wasn't an attack but so

00:18:37.000 yeah, I can see how it was used, I can see how it was helpful. Well, you know, I want to explain

00:18:44.000 something to your audience because I think, you know, they understand how the, sort of this lockstep

00:18:55.000 COVID response developed and that it, you know, it was sort of, it was, I'm not talking about

00:19:04.000 COVID but the response was kind of developed in a lab before the COVID event began.

00:19:09.000 They understand, they, they understand how it became profitable.

00:19:16.000 and how it was exported from certain think tanks and institutions to other countries.

00:19:21.000 What we're seeing with Israel right now is very similar, and this is a large component of Israel's economy.

00:19:28.000 So Israel is in a unique position.

00:19:31.000 First of all, it has no borders.

00:19:33.000 We don't know where its borders are.

00:19:35.000 It refuses to set borders.

00:19:37.000 And it determines where Israel is based on the areas of its security control.

00:19:44.000 It controls the entire West Bank through the direct occupation of its military or through an occupation subcontractor, which is known as the Palestinian Authority.

00:19:53.000 Then the Gaza Strip is basically an open-air prison, a high-tech prison that it controls from the outside through the Panopticon model.

00:20:03.000 And this is unique in contemporary history.

00:20:08.000 Along with Israel's whole experience, where basically it controls millions of people but refuses to allow them to be citizens or even residents of its state because they're not Jewish.

00:20:21.000 In order to be a Jewish state, it has to maintain a majority of Jews under its direct control and within its citizenry, but it doesn't know what to do with the rest of them.

00:20:30.000 So the Gaza Strip is basically a human warehouse or a panopticon-style prison, and the Israeli leadership never knew what it could do with those people.

00:20:40.000 And after October 7th, they've decided, hey, we can finally get rid of them.

00:20:43.000 We can basically destroy all of their hospitals, all of their schools, the whole northern area of the Gaza Strip.

00:20:50.000 And Which it has done.

00:20:52.000 There are no functioning hospitals or schools.

00:20:56.000 85% of homes have been destroyed in the northern part of the Gaza Strip, where most of the population lives, where all of the administrative, government offices, the intelligentsia live.

00:21:06.000 And then we're just going to keep pushing them south until the border opens into Egypt, and we just push them out and we get rid of these people who are a demographic threat to us.

00:21:15.000 And we're testing new methods Both legally, we're changing the parameters of international law, and we're testing new methods with our advanced spy tech, surveillance systems, and new weapons.

00:21:31.000 And then we're going to go around the world and market those weapons and that technology that we use to carry out this hideous act.

00:21:40.000 And we're going to send out our legal experts to advise other governments because we're not going to be the only ones who are going to do this in a world where people are getting poorer, people are getting angrier, there's a migration crisis sweeping the West, and we are going to be the leaders and we're going to profit from it.

00:21:58.000 Yotam Feldman is an Israeli journalist who made one of the, I think, one of the most important documentaries.

00:22:06.000 Unfortunately, I don't think it's online.

00:22:08.000 It's called The Lab, and it's all about how Israel, through its experience with controlling a restive indigenous population, dominating them, and often slaughtering them, has fueled its economy by taking all of its weapons and saying, we've tested our weapons, you haven't, so our weapons are the best.

00:22:26.000 Our spy tech is the best.

00:22:28.000 And according to Yotam Feldman, 100,000 families in Israel, not people, 100,000 families in a population of about 6.5 million rely on that industry, that industry of arms and spy tech, surveillance, I mean, look at the Pegasus system from the NSO group.

00:22:50.000 That's the most advanced malware and comes out of Israel.

00:22:53.000 The drone itself was invented by Israel.

00:22:56.000 And Israel's surveillance technology is so advanced because it's been testing it and using it again and again to control people that cannot be part of its state.

00:23:07.000 That it was granted a sweetheart deal by Albert Bourla, the CEO of Pfizer.

00:23:13.000 He cut a sweetheart deal with Netanyahu to test The mRNA vaccine on Israel.

00:23:20.000 Israel was the first country to get universal vaccination under this deal with Pfizer.

00:23:25.000 Why?

00:23:25.000 Because their surveillance, they were able to report back on the effectiveness of the vaccine more than any other country could, along with Albert Bourla's own commitment to the project of Zionism.

00:23:36.000 And that's how I knew that the vax wasn't going to work.

00:23:39.000 It wasn't going to prevent infection or transmission because I looked at what first happened in Israel, where they all got it.

00:23:46.000 They all complied too.

00:23:47.000 Very compliant society.

00:23:49.000 And then they all got it reinfected.

00:23:52.000 So, I think that's how we need to understand Israel.

00:23:57.000 And when they say this is about some values and it's about Jewishness or something, no.

00:24:03.000 This is about raw Corporate genocidal capitalism at its most extreme in a unique way because very few other states are able to get away with this.

00:24:18.000 Increasingly Max, it becomes evident that there are perhaps innumerable, but plainly two streams of reality.

00:24:28.000 In recent congressional hearings, Senate hearings, the inquiry into social media and the online safety of children, it becomes plain that there's an agenda to present the threat of Child pornography, child bullying, child safety as a problem that requires government intervention and additional regulation of social media spaces.

00:24:57.000 We've discussed for some time how across the world now there are censorship laws being introduced that are eerily similar in spite of emerging from independent nations.

00:25:07.000 And it seems that Ultimately, whenever one discusses a geopolitical issue such as war, certainly pandemics and the matter of public health, the revelation of a set of relationships via these non-government agencies, philanthropic groups, think tanks, starts to emerge.

00:25:32.000 Is it, do you think, is that what's going to define independent media space?

00:25:37.000 The ability to report on groups like the Atlantic group that you said?

00:25:41.000 The Atlanta Council, yeah.

00:25:43.000 Excuse me, Atlantic Council, or comparable organizations, which I was talking to Michael Schellenberger recently, and he said that there are these, you know, often deep state, but sometimes privately funded groups that Crop up a prominent for a while, then they sort of disappear.

00:26:00.000 They're somewhat anonymous and amorphous and difficult to track.

00:26:04.000 I've become aware of a few.

00:26:05.000 Logically, AI is one of the groups that has been observing, tracking me, gave a bunch of quotes for watching me for a long time, taking a bunch of money from the British government, the Department of Culture in particular, who have sponsored the online safety bill.

00:26:21.000 Do you think that the space that you're going to be operating in is going...

00:26:25.000 In a sense, isn't it going to become a type of war anyway?

00:26:30.000 Because almost by the nature of what you're doing, you're not often going to be saying, and on this issue, we have consensus, the legacy media have got it right, and this is what we should, that's like increasingly unlikely.

00:26:44.000 And do you sometimes feel The kind of angst that legitimate investigative journalism that finds itself at odds with the agenda of the powerful is starting to share spaces with peripheral groups.

00:27:01.000 You know, like when you said that thing about QAnon or whatever, I wonder how many There's sex trafficking going on.

00:27:14.000 There are famous people making sure the information gets redacted.

00:27:18.000 Jeffrey Epstein was probably a Mossad agent, was a CIA agent.

00:27:23.000 How are you going to navigate this space?

00:27:27.000 It's going to become increasingly about conflict, is what I'm saying.

00:27:32.000 It's going to become increasingly dangerous.

00:27:34.000 What kind of preparation are you making and what kind of prognosis are you offering?

00:27:41.000 Well...

00:27:42.000 What is QAnon?

00:27:44.000 I mean, there is no QAnon organization at this point, and when we were lumped in with that, it was just a means of smearing us.

00:27:53.000 The reporter might have peeled off a few random Reddit comments, but they couldn't actually identify a real movement.

00:28:00.000 To me, QAnon is basically, it may have actually been a national security state trap, much like January 6th, to play on the legitimate but free-floating anxieties of people across the West, but particularly in the U.S., and to force them into a kind of political cul-de-sac where they're taking their legitimate justified resentment of the political establishment and elites into such a bizarre place that they can easily be discredited and they have nowhere to go except to be sort of nihilistic.

00:28:33.000 So that's what I think people need to be cautious of, is that they're being led into a sphere of political hopelessness and nihilism where everything is so hopelessly corrupted that you just become alone and isolated from other people.

00:28:49.000 There's no reason to actually forge alliances with people who actually might be different from you along common bonds like the fact that you're working people who are being economically immiserated and to actually fight the elites.

00:29:04.000 So that's what I think we need to be cautious of, and we can see.

00:29:07.000 I mean, if you want to see the abuse of children, it's happening right before our eyes in the Gaza Strip.

00:29:13.000 We don't need to be conspiratorial about it.

00:29:18.000 Phone call you can listen to online by a 15-year-old girl named Layan Hamada who is in a car with her entire family.

00:29:26.000 They were hit by an Israeli missile.

00:29:27.000 Her family was killed.

00:29:29.000 She's trapped in the car along with her seven-year-old sister and she's calling an ambulance service from the Palestinian Red Crescent and they can't rescue her because her car is surrounded by Israeli tanks.

00:29:40.000 And she and her sister died.

00:29:43.000 I don't need to be conspiratorial about that.

00:29:47.000 We can see it all happening right in front of our eyes.

00:29:51.000 We don't need to be conspiratorial about all the leaks that we've received at the Grey Zone, which we've published, which provide an inside accounting.

00:30:01.000 of the corruption of elites, particularly in the UK, national security elites.

00:30:07.000 And this is continuing in the tradition of WikiLeaks, whose founder is jailed, being tortured right now at Belmarsh Prison, may be extradited to the US, Julian Assange.

00:30:17.000 And We now see new laws coming into effect in the UK to basically punish journalists for publishing true, verifiable facts like we have done, simply because they were leaked on the grounds that those leaks may have been obtained by the Russians.

00:30:35.000 This is called the National Security Act in the UK.

00:30:38.000 It was gestating in Parliament for 18 months, and it's being justified on the grounds of protecting innocent lives.

00:30:45.000 They claim that Wikileaks got innocent people killed by, you know, leaking their personal information.

00:30:52.000 The Pentagon itself has said that nobody was killed as a result of any leak published by WikiLeaks, but this is the justification, and it's basically taking the Espionage Act, the 1918 U.S.

00:31:04.000 law, anti-free speech law, and updating it, polishing it off, and then imposing it on the British public.

00:31:13.000 So we've already had one of our writers, contributors, Kit Clarenberg, detained, interrogated by the British counter-terror police when he returned home to visit his family, he's a British citizen, and they were asking questions about me, asking about the grey zone, you know, they wanted to kind of They wanted to find some means of destroying us.

00:31:38.000 They seized his computer.

00:31:40.000 They seized all his devices.

00:31:41.000 The investigation is still open.

00:31:43.000 Kit was able to leave.

00:31:46.000 I don't know if I would be able to visit the UK or what would happen to me, but this is the world that independent journalists who deal with real national security scandals, and yes, conspiracies, like we deal with conspiracy analysis, not conspiracy theories.

00:32:03.000 This is the world we're now living in where laws are being passed to criminalize our work.

00:32:08.000 And just one final point.

00:32:10.000 To your question, we don't see political assassinations like we had in the past during the 1960s, 1970s.

00:32:22.000 I know there was an attempt on President Reagan, but that seems to have been by kind of a psychopath.

00:32:27.000 So the last one I can really think of might have been George Wallace in 1972.

00:32:32.000 We don't know the truth behind that, but he was a threat to Nixon's reelection.

00:32:38.000 But we're not seeing that happen right now.

00:32:41.000 It's because the digital assassination is more effective and clean.

00:32:50.000 for the national security state and so we can be digitally assassinated through our Wikipedia pages, through a series of allegations launched at us in tabloid media, or the Washington Post can run a smear piece on us and they can print any lie they want and I have no recourse against that.

00:33:10.000 But increasingly that's not working and now we're seeing the state take off the velvet glove and start to pass new laws to basically criminalize what we're doing.

00:33:21.000 Yes, we're seeing... I get the feeling frequently, and I spoke to Greenwald about this, that there is a sort of real-time race, or as Alex Jones might characterize it, an info war, that there is the realization that we are approaching the point Where so many people are suspicious, cynical, outraged by state power, by legacy media malfeasance, by deep state interference that, you know, and Donald Trump is perhaps the chief beneficiary and yet the chief target of all this, that the more that a person is vilified, the more that it elevates their appeal.

00:34:02.000 There was a survey of 40,000 people in our country, the UK, that said who would you prefer to have as Prime Minister Current incumbent, Rishi Sunak, leader of the opposition and presumed next Prime Minister and Davos affiliate, Kirstarma, or Vladimir Putin.

00:34:21.000 And it was like, Vladimir Putin!

00:34:22.000 Like by 90%, like the people, like even with everything we know about Vladimir Putin, people recognize that what the state is.

00:34:32.000 And it seems in a country like ours, it seems risible to imagine that the two constituencies Are the people that support the policies and party of Rishi Sunak and the people that support the policies and party of Keir Starmer rather than that's essentially a unit and then there's everyone else like what what the hell are we supposed to do?

00:34:54.000 This is the political system.

00:34:55.000 Obviously I have personal experience of digital assassination and how that can be undertaken and also though now I have experience of By and large, how little impact it's had.

00:35:09.000 Like, I'm out and about and talking to people.

00:35:12.000 People aren't buying.

00:35:14.000 People aren't buying.

00:35:15.000 Of course, people that I've always been a pretty divisive person, people that didn't like me before, don't like me now.

00:35:21.000 People that disagree with my perspective on politics and morality and ethics and freedom

00:35:27.000 and culture.

00:35:29.000 And people that, also significantly, people that consume legacy media have a certain perspective.

00:35:34.000 But even people that aren't particularly within this space, you know, I'm talking about people

00:35:37.000 that aren't looking at your writing or Schellenbergers or Whitney Webb, you know, even people that

00:35:42.000 are, you know, regular, felt like, that was real weird that that happened.

00:35:46.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:35:48.000 That doesn't feel right.

00:35:52.000 Even when you watch something like this recent Congressional or Senate inquiry into social media safety or child safety, you no longer just have an organic sense of, oh thank God that the government are doing something about online safety.

00:36:06.000 As soon as they suggest an initiative, you're almost trained to think, well what's this really?

00:36:11.000 I don't believe in this.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, and obviously it was, you know, of course, Martin Goury that first pointed out they are no longer able to reliably control populations using their old model.

00:36:24.000 They don't know how to adjust to the new model.

00:36:27.000 They are seeking to impose mass regulation and authoritarianism when an obvious alternative

00:36:33.000 would be more decentralization, more devolving of power, greater ability to communicate,

00:36:40.000 achieve consensus, greater access to information, new possibilities, whether that's in the field

00:36:45.000 of science or war or politics.

00:36:47.000 The possibility for change is beginning to exist and they are strongly trying to resist

00:36:54.000 the trajectory of what would be inevitable change, decentralization, freedom of information

00:37:00.000 with its exact opposite, a new form of tyranny using as one of the curious techniques the

00:37:07.000 constant shadow and spectre of old school tyranny.

00:37:11.000 These populists like Donald Trump, they're like Mussolini.

00:37:15.000 And it's a brilliant sort of smoke and mirrors bait and switch, because new dictatorship doesn't look like that.

00:37:22.000 It's kind and banal and benevolent and talks about convenience and safety and protecting your children and locking you in your homes to prevent you from getting a disease and helping you to be remain safe from terrorists and all forms of terror and I again wonder how this is going to unfold because at some point it's going to require The galvanisation of a significant number of people and mass disobedience, or at least non-compliance.

00:37:48.000 And I don't know, we might be in an unprecedented place, right Max?

00:37:54.000 Definitely.

00:37:56.000 I think we have, first of all, people need to see through the marketing ploys of the new fascism, which it's marketed behind the guise of liberalism in many cases.

00:38:09.000 I mean, you said it yourself.

00:38:12.000 You know, it's in We're going to have a more diverse collection of drone operators.

00:38:18.000 The Pentagon is employing DEI to have more female drone operators and gender-fluid naval commandos blowing up pipelines.

00:38:28.000 So that's something we need to see through.

00:38:30.000 We see video in destroyed Palestinian neighborhoods.

00:38:35.000 Israeli soldiers have held informal gay pride parades waving rainbow flags.

00:38:42.000 So people can easily start to see through the marketing ploys of the new fascism and it's, as you said, it's not going to be presented to us as nakedly as the old fascism was with goose-stepping uniformed officers with swastikas, you know.

00:39:03.000 There are new laws to crush free speech being marketed under the guise of child protection.

00:39:08.000 We talked about the National Security Act being marketed to take down WikiLeaks and other organizations for harming, you know, innocent people, which is bogus.

00:39:16.000 But then how hard, I mean, it's much harder to argue with the law to protect children from pedophilia or protect people from revenge porn.

00:39:27.000 There's a website I know about because a close friend of mine lost a family member to suicide and this website had had an influence on them.

00:39:35.000 It actually encourages people to commit suicide and the feds could have easily shut it down.

00:39:42.000 I don't know if they need new laws to shut this site down or to arrest the people behind it, but it seems to me that they might actually be using these kinds of sites as a kind of honey trap or to surveil people the same way that they would allow organizations like Al-Qaeda to fester.

00:40:02.000 So that they could penetrate them and gain intelligence.

00:40:05.000 So it's not really about that.

00:40:07.000 It's about shutting down the speech of people who dissent and who actually pose a real threat to power behind the guise of protecting children.

00:40:15.000 Actually exploiting children to shut down people who actually care about their future.

00:40:21.000 And just one quick story to illustrate another point you made, Russell, about how people who are demonized so aggressively become sort of inadvertently popular or at least become objects of fascination by a kind of silent majority.

00:40:40.000 We saw that happen with Trump.

00:40:43.000 I don't know how many indictments or how many indictments have been made against Trump, but he's pulling neck and neck or ahead of Biden despite that.

00:40:51.000 And he's basically frozen out of most media.

00:40:54.000 But then you have Vladimir Putin.

00:40:55.000 He's the ultimate evildoer in the United States.

00:40:59.000 And we've written about this so I can tell this story.

00:41:02.000 But, you know, my colleague at the Gray Zone is also my wife, Anya Parampil, had gone to a a meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement, which is countries

00:41:12.000 who are not aligned with the West, mostly from the global South. They met in Venezuela, and

00:41:17.000 she was able to interview the deputy foreign minister of Russia there. So, Tucker Carlson

00:41:25.000 wanted to interview Vladimir Putin, because he interviews you, he interviews all kinds of

00:41:31.000 people who are just objects of fascination, as any journalist should do.

00:41:36.000 And Anya said, you know, I'll see if I can help.

00:41:39.000 I'll go to the deputy foreign minister I met, see if anything can happen there.

00:41:45.000 And the NSA collected her emails.

00:41:48.000 And then it looks like they leaked it to reporters.

00:41:53.000 The National Security Agency spied on U.S.

00:41:57.000 journalists, then leaked the emails to other journalists who are stenographers for power in D.C.

00:42:03.000 I think it was Axios and Jonathan Swan.

00:42:07.000 And they then reported, Tucker Carlson is trying to interview Vladimir Putin.

00:42:11.000 This is evil.

00:42:13.000 You're not allowed to talk to him.

00:42:15.000 What and when the real scandal was the fact that this or this spy agency, which is only supposed to surveil foreign people who are wishing harm on the United States was surveilling U.S.

00:42:29.000 journalists in order to foil a U.S.

00:42:32.000 journalist who wanted the American public to just be able to hear the voice and thoughts of the person who is presented to them as the devil.

00:42:42.000 And so that really speaks to the fear and the criminality, just the wanton criminality and disrespect for the rule of law.

00:42:53.000 of our national security elites, but it's really about fear.

00:42:56.000 The fear that the American public, or the British public, will be able to decide for themselves.

00:43:02.000 Now, given what you were saying about Kit Clattenburg there, do you think that there's something happening in the UK, that there's something particular happening here, and if so, why?

00:43:15.000 Yeah, we talked about Kit Clarenberg being detained in the UK a month before he was, and Kit is our sort of UK correspondent, one of the best critical national security journalists working today.

00:43:31.000 But you know, a month before that, a French publisher Sort of a fairly mainstream figure was detained by British counter-terror police on the grounds that, you know, they asked him about his role in protests against Emmanuel Macron, a foreign leader.

00:43:50.000 Joanna Ross, who's a lesser-known reporter who had worked for Sputnik, which is a Russian state-affiliated site.

00:43:59.000 She was detained on her way back to her home country.

00:44:03.000 They're detaining people left and right in the UK for their political views.

00:44:09.000 And this has to do, first of all, with the fact that there are no formal free speech protections in the UK.

00:44:15.000 It also has to do with the UK's role as sort of the anchor of US imperialism, kind of the US pit bull on the European continent.

00:44:24.000 And the fact that It's deployed by the U.S.

00:44:30.000 to carry out harsh actions that the U.S., especially with its First Amendment, may not be able to get away with.

00:44:37.000 And just the paranoia of the British elite about Russia, particularly.

00:44:43.000 The British elite has been obsessed with Russia.

00:44:46.000 It goes back to the Imperial competition with the Romanovs and the Russian Empire.

00:44:53.000 It goes back to the Crimean War, and it's just a festering paranoia.

00:44:58.000 But it also has to do with the crumbling state.

00:45:01.000 of the British society right now, which is, I mean, I haven't been there in a while.

00:45:08.000 I'm actually postponing various invitations to the UK because of what I think could happen to me.

00:45:16.000 But I've heard that the situation is at an advanced state of decay.

00:45:21.000 So I mean, what we're looking at in the UK in many ways is a preview of other Western countries that haven't gone this far, and they clearly see the speech of dissidents as a major threat.

00:45:35.000 Just what you say and what you think.

00:45:39.000 Yes, yes, that's interesting.

00:45:41.000 Both the historical analysis, but also what role the UK now has on the world stage.

00:45:48.000 I was struck by in Canada and Australia, both countries that I thought were defined by kind of laissez-faire liberal attitude to Cultural and the issues and the intervention of government were both so aggressive and assertive during the pandemic period.

00:46:04.000 I'm beginning to feel that there is a type of piloting that takes place in anglophonic countries that may be utilized later in the United States.

00:46:16.000 Especially in the Commonwealth.

00:46:17.000 And one of the differences between Canada and the U.S.

00:46:21.000 is the U.S.

00:46:22.000 population is just much more naturally rebellious and more diverse.

00:46:27.000 And Canadians tend to be more compliant and trusting of power.

00:46:31.000 And it really took the trucker convoy, which sort of came out of left field for the Trudeau liberal government, to shut that all down.

00:46:38.000 They would have kept it going for as long as China did until China's own population began to rebel.

00:46:44.000 The United States Our culture is just different.

00:46:51.000 And so it is really important when you sense that you're being psyoped, that your rights are being taken away, even though you are going to be the first line to be taken down like World War I soldiers jumping the trench, you have to do it.

00:47:06.000 And we saw what happened to the first people that protested COVID tyranny in the U.S.

00:47:11.000 They were basically portrayed as terrorists.

00:47:17.000 I wouldn't call it a false flag operation, but basically in Michigan, Michigan's a very diverse state politically.

00:47:27.000 It's a red state and a blue state, like an extreme red state and a blue state mashed into one.

00:47:33.000 And in the rural areas, people were up in arms about the COVID measures, the COVID restrictions.

00:47:39.000 The lockdowns were destroying everyone's small business.

00:47:41.000 They're preventing farmers and guys who just like to, you know, work do DIY projects at home from going to the garden section at Home Depot or going out even outdoors at Home Depot so some more extreme figures

00:47:58.000 protested the state capitol carried weapons into the state capitol affiliated with a kind of militia.

00:48:04.000 They didn't realize they had been infiltrated by the FBI.

00:48:07.000 The FBI was paying their ringleader and that the state police of Michigan was given a stand-down order at the Michigan state capitol.

00:48:17.000 I believe this was March 2020 right when the whole lockdowns began.

00:48:22.000 A stand-down order to allow them to go in and create this ferocious scene, which would then be blamed on Trump.

00:48:30.000 And then they were set up, ultimately, months later, in a plot devised by the FBI to kidnap the governor of Michigan.

00:48:39.000 It was a plot devised by the FBI.

00:48:41.000 So basically, the FBI was trying to portray all people protesting the COVID measures in the beginning as militant terrorists who want to kill leadership.

00:48:53.000 But at that But there were so many decent people out in the streets in Michigan, and so that's sort of the price for rebelling at first, but the U.S.

00:49:02.000 really saw the initial wave of protests that eventually found its way across the Atlantic, even to Germany, where the unvaccinated were demonized as like the unter-vaccinated, like unter-mentioned, all the way to China.

00:49:17.000 And that's something, you know, I learned about the U.S.

00:49:20.000 that I never had Really fully understood as an American that I think makes us special along with the First Amendment.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, I'm beginning to understand a lot.

00:49:30.000 I'm beginning to feel that given how dastardly and outrageously theatrical some of the actions of these deep state agencies are, particularly with regards to what you just said about those protests in Michigan and how they were funded and how they were organized and how they were directed and the eerie similarities that bears to events on January 6th that is clearly part of the MO of the deep state, that The reckoning that could be brought about as a result of Covid is a deep and thorough one.

00:50:02.000 For the first time we're starting to see figures emerging out of independent media spaces or at least social media spaces that are saying disband the FBI or dismantle the CIA or that we need to completely re-evaluate the way that social media is regulated and run.

00:50:19.000 There should be no relationship between the state and social media.

00:50:23.000 There are now at least appetites and there is at least a conversation that really shows how limited the various Covid inquiries are and how shallow they are and how impotent they ultimately must be because any proper inquiry into probably any one of the issues we've discussed today, events in the Middle East, we've not got round to Ukraine, Russia, But any genuine and thorough COVID inquiry would reveal such corruption and ineptitude that nothing short of a top-to-bottom systemic review and radical reform would be sufficient to amend it.

00:51:05.000 Where are the real serious investigations on what happened to us over the past several years?

00:51:12.000 Where's the discussion about this?

00:51:14.000 Is Donald Trump actually bringing this to the fore?

00:51:18.000 Is RFK Jr.

00:51:20.000 even doing enough to force the discussion?

00:51:22.000 I see him being basically co-opted by powerful corporate elites.

00:51:28.000 And I don't feel like he is playing the role I thought he would play.

00:51:35.000 of at least disrupting the campaign enough so it becomes difficult to just take away our rights so quickly based on a complete distortion of science to make everyone think they're going to die And destroy businesses.

00:51:54.000 There's been no reckoning.

00:51:55.000 I mean, here in Washington, D.C., where I live, downtown is destroyed, was destroyed by the lockdowns.

00:52:02.000 Most of the offices, not most, but the offices are like 50% empty.

00:52:07.000 It was a fairly vibrant place at night.

00:52:10.000 It's like a zombie movie.

00:52:13.000 Youth in D.C.

00:52:14.000 were set back two years in their education, and you're seeing nihilistic murders and crimes take place like we haven't seen before.

00:52:22.000 That doesn't mean that the murder rate is higher.

00:52:24.000 I grew up in D.C.

00:52:25.000 when the murder rate was at its peak.

00:52:27.000 But the kind of murders that are purposeless, I think, are influenced by the fact that youth were told, who had nowhere to go other than school, that they had nowhere to go for at least a year.

00:52:40.000 And then there was no Then they were never told why.

00:52:44.000 They were never given any mental health care or any counseling.

00:52:48.000 And this is the experience for people all across the world.

00:52:53.000 Entire societies were severely damaged.

00:53:00.000 You've seen coups rock West Africa, for example.

00:53:04.000 And that has a lot to do with the destabilization campaign waged by the U.S.

00:53:09.000 starting in Libya, which led al-Qaeda forces to creep into West Africa and created a security vacuum, and the French were either collaborating with those jihadists or doing nothing, and their forces were there, so people kicked them out.

00:53:23.000 There are many more political reasons, but another reason that isn't discussed is just the anger of the population about having been under lockdown, the debt trap they were placed in, the pain that they felt in such a poor society where people, for example, would rely on fishing or live hand-to-mouth as vendors and they can't go out and feed themselves.

00:53:47.000 And this has just never been addressed.

00:53:49.000 I mean, it just feels like we've completely moved on and there's this historical amnesia around this entire event.

00:53:57.000 And it feels like that.

00:53:59.000 With everything else that took place, for example, the 9-11 Commission, we know that was a complete joke, but we're still living with 9-11.

00:54:07.000 It completely changed our society and put the security state on overdrive.

00:54:11.000 So many Americans lost limbs in the post-9-11 wars, lost lives, and a million Iraqis died.

00:54:18.000 Where was the reckoning?

00:54:19.000 Where was the national discussion?

00:54:21.000 Anyone who asks questions is portrayed as a conspiracy theorist about any of these events.

00:54:27.000 So, I don't know what the answer is, but it's something that we try to address in independent media.

00:54:36.000 We try to give people a space to ask these questions and to interact with us who are investigating them.

00:54:44.000 And I think that's unfortunately all people have right now in the face of this complete betrayal.

00:54:50.000 The media and in particular you and your colleagues at Greyzone are doing a great job and hopefully... So are you!

00:54:58.000 Thanks man, I'm trying my best.

00:54:59.000 Hopefully the other organs that are necessary, the emergent forces or systems even, may eventually coalesce.

00:55:09.000 Perhaps that's part of the reason that what we face is apparently So drastic and terrifying.

00:55:15.000 Max, I've got to wrap it up here because I've got to go into something else.

00:55:18.000 Max Blumenthal, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:55:21.000 It's always beautiful to talk to you, elucidating, informative, exciting, terrifying, but enjoyable.

00:55:27.000 Thank you.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, it's always therapeutic talking to you, Russell.

00:55:31.000 I hope it's that there is some kind of therapy.

00:55:36.000 Or cathartic.

00:55:38.000 At least.

00:55:39.000 Thanks, man.

00:55:39.000 Max, that was brilliant.

00:55:40.000 Thank you, mate.

00:55:41.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:55:41.000 Peace.

00:55:44.000 That was Max Blumenthal.

00:55:44.000 Well, there you go.

00:55:45.000 You can find more of Max's work at Greyzone.

00:55:48.000 That's grey with an e. They're American.

00:55:49.000 Greyzone.com.

00:55:51.000 Join them there.

00:55:52.000 Now, you will have noticed that Elon Musk is a pretty free speech-oriented guy.

00:55:57.000 In Ireland, they're piloting one of those schemes that they're sort of trying to get away with all around the world, censoring everyone.

00:56:02.000 He's funding legislation Four people against the Irish state as they attempt to crack down on free speech by calling it hate speech.

00:56:10.000 You know how this works now.

00:56:11.000 This is a brilliant episode.

00:56:12.000 Stuff's going on in Ireland that's fascinating because you can't treat Ireland like a conventional European nation because they themselves have been subject to colonialist oppression themselves.

00:56:22.000 Because of the British, of course.

00:56:23.000 So trying to say they're imperialist, racist, nutter, it just doesn't make sense.

00:56:27.000 It's really actually quite fascinating.

00:56:28.000 Here's the news.

00:56:29.000 No, here's the effing news baby.

00:56:31.000 Here's the news.

00:56:33.000 No, here's the fucking news.

00:56:36.000 Hate speech laws are being passed in Ireland that would make speech that would usually just be regarded as

00:56:41.000 controversial or rude, potentially criminal.

00:56:45.000 Elon Musk is saying he'll pay the legal bills of people that will oppose it.

00:56:49.000 But will even that be enough to stop Ireland being used to pilot a new global censorship state?

00:56:57.000 We do need to create a movement, because let's face it, whether it's Canada with weird assisted

00:57:02.000 suicide laws, or Australia with their pandemic internment camps, or now Ireland proposing

00:57:07.000 hate speech laws that will turn just controversial language or rudeness into hate speech and

00:57:12.000 therefore make it a criminal offence with very vague definitions around what constitutes

00:57:16.000 hate speech.

00:57:17.000 It seems to me that globalism is becoming yet more potent, yet more priapic, yet more

00:57:22.000 certain in their ideological right to control your thought, the information you have access

00:57:27.000 to, the things you can freely say, the type of relationships you might have, the sort

00:57:31.000 of information that you can consume online.

00:57:33.000 All of this is under threat and it's pretty bloody serious.

00:57:36.000 And it's being presented as if it's sort of no big deal and we've done some polling and it's all going to be okay.

00:57:41.000 You should see this dude prevaricating on the point of polling.

00:57:44.000 We polled some people on hate speech and what did you discover?

00:57:46.000 They don't like hate speech.

00:57:47.000 So are you going to implement that?

00:57:48.000 No.

00:57:48.000 Well what's the point in holding the poll then?

00:57:50.000 Well, democracy innit?

00:57:51.000 But you're ignoring the democracy.

00:57:53.000 No.

00:57:53.000 You are though!

00:57:54.000 Look at this!

00:57:54.000 This is the kind of double speak that we're seeing more and more of as the world slides

00:57:58.000 into an Orwellian hellscape.

00:58:20.000 And then you listen to them, they're passing mad weird laws.

00:58:22.000 They feel someone that spoke like this, we are going to do what is necessary.

00:58:26.000 Mate, Jesus Christ!

00:58:27.000 Because everyone's being so reasonable, they're getting away with sometimes literal murder and always nearly tyranny.

00:58:32.000 And yet you're proceeding with them anyway.

00:58:34.000 So my question is, why did your government bother to do a public consultation if you were just going to ignore the results?

00:58:39.000 Reasonable question.

00:58:40.000 Why do a public consultation if you're going to ignore the results?

00:58:44.000 Let's see the answer to that reasonable question.

00:58:47.000 Well, we do public consultations because we think they're good practice.

00:58:50.000 It's a way to find out what people's thoughts are.

00:58:54.000 And then ignore it.

00:58:55.000 On issues.

00:58:56.000 And it's also, you know, a way to flesh out and highlight some of the issues we may not have considered.

00:59:00.000 And then ignore them.

00:59:02.000 But we're also, you know, wise to the fact that the vast majority of people don't make submissions to public consultations.

00:59:07.000 We have to bear that in mind.

00:59:08.000 So it's only a small number of people, so we can ignore it.

00:59:12.000 It's only a small portion of the population that participate in these things, so it's not necessarily reflective of public opinion.

00:59:17.000 And also we're wise to the fact that very often submissions are organised and campaign groups will organise responses, so we're clear with that too.

00:59:24.000 Even the bloke in the background, whose job it is to agree, like, he's laden with doubt.

00:59:30.000 It's like, that doesn't make sense, hold on a minute.

00:59:32.000 Like we're literally in real time watching someone who works for the system go, Wait a minute.

00:59:36.000 Wait a minute!

00:59:37.000 Is that red pill in my mouth right now?

00:59:41.000 But why hold the consultation if the end result is just going to be disregarded on the basis that it's not representative of public opinion?

00:59:48.000 What's the point of it then?

00:59:49.000 Well the point is that we're a democracy and in Ireland we have elections.

00:59:53.000 Well, the point, oh, I'm glad that you've asked me that, because the point is we're a democracy and that's why we do elections and ask people's opinions.

01:00:01.000 But then you ignore their opinions.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, we don't have to do everything.

01:00:04.000 Listen, fuck off!

01:00:06.000 And decisions are made by the government and the elected parliament.

01:00:09.000 They're not made on foot in public consultations or opinion polls.

01:00:12.000 Look at him in the background going, hold on a minute, that poll was a complete waste of time!

01:00:16.000 He's realising what I'd like to hear, instead of the leader there, is the inner monologue

01:00:21.000 of that bloke who's listening as he slowly works out that the entire system is totally

01:00:26.000 corrupt and what's being legitimised is the introduction of laws that people don't want

01:00:29.000 because it's not about the people.

01:00:31.000 But if you just pull that one thread, right, you know people don't want this law, that's

01:00:34.000 right people don't want it, but you're doing it anyway.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, why is that?

01:00:38.000 Because it's not about the people.

01:00:39.000 Why is that?

01:00:40.000 Because it's about control.

01:00:41.000 Why is that?

01:00:42.000 Because the only way we're going to be able to abate and subjugate a population is by

01:00:46.000 having the legal means to do it because people are waking up to the fact that government,

01:00:50.000 legacy media and all of our institutions are unreliable and corrupt so we're in a race

01:00:55.000 against time to control the flow of information and be able to arrest people for dissent.

01:01:00.000 But, you know, there's a nice scene of nature in the background, so it's not all bad.

01:01:04.000 Yeah, but it's synthesized nature.

01:01:05.000 I kind of have everything.

01:01:06.000 That's not what they're about.

01:01:08.000 They're about testing the temperature.

01:01:09.000 So is it just for show then?

01:01:10.000 No.

01:01:12.000 Is it just a show then?

01:01:13.000 Because what you've just said is, is it's kind of a show.

01:01:16.000 It's also not that.

01:01:17.000 It's all of the things that I said it wasn't, and also that other thing, which is the thing it would have to be if it wasn't those things.

01:01:22.000 It's none of that.

01:01:23.000 It's Zen.

01:01:24.000 If you try and think about this for long enough, you will become enlightened, because it just doesn't make sense.

01:01:29.000 Anyway, now it's clear that this is something that the public want, or don't want, it doesn't matter.

01:01:34.000 Anyway, it's democratic.

01:01:35.000 Here is an Irish politician explaining what new power they're taking, even though you don't want them to have it.

01:01:41.000 The government is addressing the extremist content online.

01:01:44.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:01:45.000 Because, you know, there's a lot of extremist content online and it's actually getting on my nerves now.

01:01:50.000 Like hate speech and incitement to violence and... What?

01:01:53.000 There's Houthis and extremist content online?

01:01:55.000 Don't worry about a war against Russia that can't be won.

01:01:57.000 Don't worry about censorship everywhere we go.

01:01:59.000 It's Houthis now and extremist content online.

01:02:02.000 Oh, that's driving me nuts.

01:02:04.000 Cumann na mBan is Ireland's new online safety and media regulator.

01:02:07.000 Don't worry about the migration crisis and what the Irish people appear to feel about that, whether you agree with them or not.

01:02:13.000 It's not your country.

01:02:15.000 It's their country.

01:02:16.000 They're allowed to run their country however they want, having been oppressed for hundreds of years by a near neighbour.

01:02:21.000 Don't worry about any of those problems.

01:02:22.000 It's extremist content online.

01:02:24.000 And those bloody hoothies.

01:02:25.000 And will also be joint regulator along with the European Commission for the EU Digital Services Act.

01:02:31.000 Wow, so it's actually aligning with another bureaucracy for which you are probably taxed, but not represented.

01:02:37.000 And when that happens, sensible countries have a revolution.

01:02:40.000 My department has ongoing engagement with Onkoma Shun, and I, having met them two weeks ago, met with Onkoma Shun again yesterday.

01:02:47.000 I mean, that is globalism, isn't it?

01:02:49.000 Like, they've decided that they're doing it.

01:02:51.000 You lot don't want it.

01:02:52.000 We're doing it.

01:02:53.000 And that's globalism in capsule.

01:02:55.000 We've asked you, do you want it?

01:02:57.000 No, thanks.

01:02:58.000 Well, the EU want it.

01:02:59.000 Well, but... So we're doing it.

01:03:00.000 Oh, democracy, though?

01:03:01.000 And why are we at war with Russia?

01:03:03.000 Well, to protect Ukraine and democracy.

01:03:05.000 But they don't allow elections, and there's no opposing parties, and there's a lot of dissent within Ukraine, and they've started to shut down state media.

01:03:11.000 Stop doing so much hate speech!

01:03:14.000 Uncomission is calling for those who see hate speech or other illegal content online to report it to the platforms or to unguard the Sheikhanah.

01:03:22.000 And then we'll decide if it's hate speech that we can utilise to control the conversation, then we'll act on it if it's convenient hate speech, and we'll ignore it if it's hate speech that we can't really utilise to manage the flow of information.

01:03:34.000 So we'll keep this all nice and vague, but the end result will be we've got control of social media and therefore the public conversation, and we can then essentially facilitate globalism, which you know is the agenda, because we've asked you what you wanted, you told us no, they told us yes, we're doing what they want.

01:03:47.000 So there'll be a lot more of that coming down the line.

01:03:49.000 And I don't know if there's anything in Irish history about informing on your community in order to facilitate an external colonial imperialist oppressor, and whether or not you have any taboos against that or anything, or the black and tans, but there's going to be a lot more of that also.

01:04:02.000 This is important, but even more so important next year, because once Uncomissioned is fully operational next year, People will be able to report to them directly if they think a platform has ignored or wrongly rejected their complaint.

01:04:17.000 And these reports can then be used by Cumasú na mBan to decide where to focus their oversight and investigations and ultimately their enforcement action.

01:04:25.000 A lot of this goes on in the world now, doesn't it?

01:04:27.000 We can use people to grass, snitch, spy on one another.

01:04:31.000 Ooh, people were going out during the lockdown.

01:04:33.000 Well, in retrospect, there was nothing wrong with them doing that, it turns out.

01:04:37.000 Turning us all into little agents of the state.

01:04:40.000 Finally, Uncommissioned's first online safety code, as provided for under the Online Safety and Media Regulation Act, will be adopted in early 2024.

01:04:49.000 A draft code will be published very shortly for stakeholder consultation and this will hold the video sharing platforms accountable for how they protect their users online and will deal with extremist content like hate speech and incitement to violence.

01:05:04.000 There's already laws about incitement.

01:05:06.000 That's illegal already.

01:05:07.000 You don't need a new law for that.

01:05:08.000 This is a new era.

01:05:09.000 For a new age?

01:05:10.000 A new era?

01:05:11.000 A great reset perhaps.

01:05:12.000 In which the regulators and the people they serve will be empowered to make the online world Empowered?

01:05:18.000 You dare to say that this is about empowerment?

01:05:20.000 Safer for all.

01:05:21.000 It's a brave new world, baby.

01:05:23.000 Let's get into it.

01:05:24.000 Elon Musk has said his social media company X, previously known as Twitter, will fund Irish legal challenges to forthcoming hate speech legislation.

01:05:31.000 Musk warned of risks associated with laws that aim to curb free speech and said there was a need to challenge them.

01:05:36.000 In an online interview with Gripped, Musk said X's default position is that it will challenge any laws it believes would infringe upon someone's ability to say what they want to say.

01:05:45.000 He was speaking in relation to Ireland's pending criminal justice incitement to violence or hatred and hate offences bill, which Minister for Justice Helen McEntree said would be progressed early this year.

01:05:56.000 And we will also fund the legal fees of Irish citizens that want to challenge the bill as well.

01:06:00.000 So Mr. Musk, whose ex-platform has its European headquarters in Dublin.

01:06:04.000 So we'll make sure that if there is an attempt to suppress the voice of the Irish people, that we do our absolute best to defend the people of Ireland and their ability to speak their mind.

01:06:13.000 He said there should be concern if the Irish Parliament defined hate speech in its own terms.

01:06:18.000 People should be extremely concerned about that.

01:06:20.000 We're just at the mercy of the ruling party and whatever bureaucrats they put in place.

01:06:25.000 And they can just define something that is really not hate speech as hate speech just because they don't like it.

01:06:30.000 That's the key issue.

01:06:31.000 It's a very diffuse term, hate speech.

01:06:33.000 What do you mean hate speech?

01:06:35.000 Let's absolutely define that just in case it became exploitable in order to impose undue regulation and control over public conversation.

01:06:45.000 The reason that it allows that is because that's what it's for.

01:06:48.000 It's not for for protecting people from hearing racist terms or rudeness

01:06:54.000 or whatever. It's not for that. And in fact you could make an argument that's not

01:06:56.000 even the business of the state.

01:06:57.000 The business of the state should be to run facilities and amenities for people correctly

01:07:02.000 and fairly and justly and even words like fairly of course would need some scrutiny.

01:07:06.000 But what this plainly is about, and we saw it because we witnessed the dynamic of it,

01:07:10.000 is create a citizenry of informants, impose laws that have been designed and determined

01:07:16.000 centrally globally elsewhere against the will of the people in order to legitimise control

01:07:23.000 that is currently unavailable because of free speech and is sort of creating a global uprising

01:07:28.000 really which at the moment is still somewhat atomised because our cultures are so atomised

01:07:32.000 but could become an anti-globalist movement.

01:07:36.000 Look at the farmers.

01:07:37.000 Look at the truckers.

01:07:38.000 Look at the rage in Ireland around what's been happening there lately.

01:07:41.000 Look at the possibility, indeed, for change when people are united and able to speak freely.

01:07:47.000 That's the threat.

01:07:48.000 You're the threat.

01:07:49.000 Not anything else.

01:07:50.000 In relation to misinformation and disinformation, he said unlike in newspapers, X had a community notes function which allowed its users to add responses and comments on people's tweets.

01:07:59.000 The biggest lie in the media is the choice of narrative because they can simply ignore anything they don't like and they can overly focus on things they do want to talk about, he said.

01:08:07.000 Yes, that is what the legacy media does.

01:08:09.000 It amplifies stories, it creates stories, it ignores information that's detrimental to the interests of the powerful.

01:08:16.000 for whatever failings there may be within any institutional organisation doesn't do that.

01:08:22.000 And it allows and facilitates potentially epochal events like the disruption of our trajectory to World War 3

01:08:28.000 because of the Tucker-Elon axes. It's really the best shot we have currently of free speech and maybe even freedom.

01:08:36.000 Further critiques of the proposed law labelled as authoritarian point to the lack of a legal definition of

01:08:41.000 hate and the potential overreach of authority such as the

01:08:43.000 seizure of personal electronic devices and prison sentences for possession of supposed hateful content.

01:08:49.000 Last year, Musk committed to covering legal charges for ex-users who unfairly faced employer retribution due to their activity on the platform.

01:08:57.000 Even corporations during his ire due to the unfair treatment of ex-users were not safe from potential legal consequences.

01:09:04.000 In a case involving X, the company's legal team defended an Illinois student threatened with disciplinary action by his university over posts made on the platform.

01:09:11.000 An advocate for freedom of speech writes, Musk posted, What we're told we live in are democracies.

01:09:22.000 What we're told we fight for are democracies.

01:09:24.000 Kind of a version of freedom, or the best way of achieving freedom, is through the consensus of an electorate.

01:09:28.000 We're told that all the time.

01:09:29.000 It's our myth, in a way, because it's not what we live in.

01:09:32.000 As you just saw in that example, the polling data suggests that people are opposed to that.

01:09:37.000 And even if they were in favour of it, you'd have to question how are these contexts So if we don't live in democracies because democracies are about representation and the right to govern your own life and control your own community through referenda and through consent, what do we live in?

01:09:50.000 One theory is we now live in anarcho-tyrannies.

01:09:51.000 I was holding them in, how does this benefit me? I could just go, oh that was hateful,

01:09:54.000 I'm not going to look at that platform anymore. Like that's always an option, isn't it?

01:09:57.000 So if we don't live in democracies, because democracies are about representation and the

01:10:00.000 right to govern your own life and control your own community through referenda and through

01:10:05.000 consent, what do we live in? One theory is we now live in anarcho-tyrannies. Let's look

01:10:10.000 at what anarcho-tyranny is. Anarcho-tyranny is a system of government that fails to protect

01:10:14.000 its citizens from violence while simultaneously persecuting conduct that would typically be

01:10:19.000 regarded as innocent.

01:10:20.000 The experience of living under such a system may be familiar to you, even if the term itself is not.

01:10:25.000 A state of anarcho-tyranny might, for instance, see career criminals walk the streets murdering women mere days after being released from prison on license, even while offensive limericks, online poetry, and dogs trained to perform comical Nazi salutes are treated with the utmost seriousness by our criminal justice system.

01:10:40.000 Hmm.

01:10:41.000 The result is a disorienting combination of two different kinds of fear.

01:10:44.000 Fear of rising violent crime combined with a fear of arbitrary criminalisation, including the criminalisation of citizens who complain about what is being done to them by their government.

01:10:55.000 Hmm.

01:10:55.000 Systems of anarcho-tyranny rely especially on laws that criminalise speech that would ordinarily be regarded merely as rude or controversial.

01:11:02.000 In Ireland, the Verac government is currently fast-tracking just such a law.

01:11:06.000 The Criminal Justice Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences Bill, which will criminalise any person who prepares or possesses material that is likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or group of persons on account of their protected characteristics.

01:11:20.000 Note the flabbiness of this wording.

01:11:22.000 Violence, one might once have assumed, is pretty easy to objectively define.

01:11:26.000 But hatred?

01:11:27.000 Now that's a word that a vengeful prosecutor could really make hay with, particularly given the usefulness of that additional word, likely.

01:11:35.000 With the new law in place, the authorities could easily decree that all sorts of politically inconvenient speech is likely to incite hatred against particular groups.

01:11:42.000 We are restricting freedom, said Irish Senator Pauline O'Reilly of the Bill, but we're doing it for the common good.

01:11:48.000 Categories such as misinformation and disinformation have recently emerged, and mal-information is, even by the definition of the tyrannical bureaucrats that impose it, information that's true, but likely to create disobedience.

01:12:02.000 For example, during the pandemic period, if you said, hey, there are different ways of treating this other than the proposed and near-mandated measures, that would be regarded as malinformation.

01:12:12.000 Because it's true, but likely to generate dissent, further dissent, maybe even disobedience.

01:12:17.000 It would also be regarded as malinformation to say, hey, Vladimir Putin and the former Soviet Union said that if you encroached on former Soviet territory, it would lead to an escalation of hostility, particularly between them and Ukraine.

01:12:32.000 And the 2014 coup, where a legitimately elected government was replaced, has also escalated tensions in that region.

01:12:40.000 And Vladimir Putin might be interested in a peace deal were Ukraine not to join NATO.

01:12:46.000 That might be regarded as mal-information.

01:12:48.000 Hate speech, similarly, could be utilized and deployed according to the will of whoever is holding that law as a weapon.

01:12:56.000 I know now that the law can be used as a weapon.

01:12:59.000 In fact, the term lawfare is casually entering our discourse because so many dissenting voices are shut down using legal means.

01:13:09.000 Who does the law serve?

01:13:10.000 What is the law for?

01:13:12.000 Laws like this are being created to further empower centralised authority, often derived from globalist or at least continental organisations like the EU, which are ultimately a globalist organisation if you ask me, in order to further shut down dissent and impose control.

01:13:29.000 You'll see a lot more of this, particularly if bills like this one are allowed to pass.

01:13:33.000 It's the sort of thing that we should oppose, and it's pretty fascinating and exciting that Elon Musk is willing to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to backing free speech.

01:13:43.000 We'll be following this story in more detail, and I hope that you will continue to support our right for free speech.

01:13:48.000 Because in a sense, what you're saying is, if you don't agree with that, is, yeah, we shouldn't be allowed to say what we want.

01:13:53.000 We're so silly, aren't we?

01:13:54.000 Well, I don't know what kind of hate speech I'll do next.

01:13:56.000 No, you don't.

01:13:57.000 Because you don't know what hate speech is.

01:13:59.000 And they like it that way.

01:14:00.000 But that's just what I think.

01:14:01.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

01:14:02.000 See you in a second.

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01:14:05.000 No.

01:14:05.000 The dude.

01:14:06.000 Here's the fucking news.

01:14:08.000 I hope you enjoyed that.

01:14:09.000 Now Stella Assange is going to be here in the studio on Friday ahead of the mounting campaign to free Julian Assange,

01:14:11.000 who's done nothing wrong.

01:14:18.000 What he's done is tried to bring down the establishment and now I know from personal experience,

01:14:23.000 if you try and do that, people will come up with reasons that you should either be killed or silenced.

01:14:28.000 Julian Assange was ahead of the curve.

01:14:30.000 He's a freedom fighter and a hero.

01:14:33.000 He should be released.

01:14:34.000 We'll be talking to Stella Assange about it.

01:14:36.000 And also, we'll be doing a special show from the hearings next week.

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