Stay Free - Russel Brand - Fear, Identity and the Lies We Live By — SF703

00:00:08.000 Russell Brand, a controversial conspiracy theorist.

00:00:12.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 It's a brilliant show today.

00:00:21.000 We have got Jamie Winship on the show.

00:00:24.000 Jamie Winship is a brilliant teacher, writer, former cop, and fascinating figure who's going to help you to understand your true identity and maybe why your life is so hard, so challenging, and so difficult.

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00:01:56.000 Patterns you've learned about yourself from a world that could care less about you.

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00:02:15.000 Jamie Winship is a former law enforcement officer who has spent years working in conflict zones, particularly in the Middle East, training and advising local police and communities.

00:02:24.000 Today, through his work with Identity Exchange, he helps leaders and individuals identify the fears that drive their decisions and replace them with a clear understanding of who they are, teaching that when identity changes, behavior follows.

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00:04:36.000 Please welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand, Jamie Winship.

00:04:39.000 Jamie, will you pray for us?

00:04:41.000 Yeah, I would love to.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:43.000 Lord, thank you for your love for us, your blessings, your forgiveness, your mercy for all humanity.

00:04:50.000 And I pray right now for every person listening, watching, Father, that you would work in them transformation that causes them to walk out of the false things they've learned to believe about themselves from the world, from the enemy, even from their own critical voice.

00:05:08.000 Walk them out of that through the power of your spirit, through the blood of Christ, into the truth of what you say about them, and that they would walk upright in that true identity with all freedom and authority and power.

00:05:19.000 In Jesus' name, amen.

00:05:22.000 Amen.

00:05:23.000 Hey, that was cool.

00:05:25.000 Jamie, like, just so you lot watching know, what happened was someone told me to give my wife, uh, Leaving Fearless, okay, which is one of Jamie's books.

00:05:35.000 Um, and I read it while I was finishing my book.

00:05:38.000 This is Just to get things in correct order, this is not the book Living Fearless.

00:05:41.000 This is Jamie's new book that we'll be talking about today, The War of World Views by Jamie Winship.

00:05:47.000 Have a good look at that.

00:05:48.000 There's a link in the description for those of you that want to order it right now.

00:05:53.000 And while I was finishing my book, this is my book, first time I've shown it on the show, I was like reading Jamie's book Living Fearless, and I was like, oh no, this is better than my book while I was reading it.

00:06:05.000 I prefer this book.

00:06:08.000 But it made me really want to meet Jamie.

00:06:12.000 And then Jake here, who you guys who are regular viewers will know, who produces our show and so much more.

00:06:18.000 He, among those things, of course, performing nearly incessantly, incessantly with other Christian musicians.

00:06:27.000 Jake reached out to Jamie, and Jamie came here, and we spent a couple of days together.

00:06:33.000 Jamie worked these prayers and techniques that he has pioneered, developed, evolved, created, finessed.

00:06:42.000 I don't know, you, Jamie, will tell you.

00:06:43.000 And we got the opportunity to spend a lot of time with my wife.

00:06:46.000 With people in our community.

00:06:48.000 And it's been like, we're still sort of, Jamie, you having left day before yesterday, whenever it was, still sort of like, I saw Kyle this morning, our friend Kyle, the shark hunting seminar, seminary attending beekeeping warrior.

00:07:02.000 And like, he was like very moved by the time we spent together.

00:07:05.000 A lot of people have been really affected by you.

00:07:08.000 I love you just actually as a writer, even if you were just writing fictitious stories for entertainment and amusement.

00:07:15.000 I really enjoy them.

00:07:15.000 But the fact is, you're doing a lot more than that.

00:07:17.000 And thank you so much for joining us today.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, I'm happy to be here.

00:07:22.000 I had a great time with you and the lovely people in your community, your wife, and yeah, this is a great time there with you.

00:07:29.000 Thank you for having me.

00:07:31.000 In a way, you exemplified your work, as we also, I suppose, must, because when we reached out, you said, I'll come.

00:07:39.000 And I don't think I even said come.

00:07:41.000 I said, I wanted to talk to you, and you said, I'll come.

00:07:43.000 And you explained to me why that was.

00:07:45.000 How did you even with the process?

00:07:48.000 How do you think even our encounters together exemplify?

00:07:53.000 What you're espousing, explaining, and preaching in the war of worldviews.

00:07:57.000 How does.

00:07:58.000 Is there.

00:07:59.000 Would you say, even in our encounter, there are essential things that's from your.

00:08:04.000 Go on.

00:08:07.000 Absolutely.

00:08:07.000 Well, so like, and we can get into it, but really, basically, whether you're reading the Bible, the Torah, or studying anthropology or just history, there's really only ever been two worldviews put forth by humanity.

00:08:23.000 And they have different names, but, you know, Augustine might say city of God and city of man or something like that.

00:08:30.000 But really, when you're reading Moses explaining worldview to the Israelites, which is what he's doing in the book of Genesis, he's really saying there's only two worldviews, and they are the separation worldview.

00:08:41.000 And the connection worldview.

00:08:42.000 One is absolutely false and one is absolutely true.

00:08:45.000 And so, most of us, most of humans, whatever your background, are raised in the view that the world is separated based on scarcity and that kind of thing.

00:08:56.000 And so, we live very separated, isolated lives.

00:08:59.000 Even though we have lots of people around us, our worldview is still about separation.

00:09:05.000 And then we've got to separate ourselves from all the people we don't like.

00:09:08.000 And we've got to get rid of everything that we don't like, we're going to separate ourselves from in some way.

00:09:15.000 And first of all, you can't.

00:09:16.000 It's impossible to do that.

00:09:18.000 The other is for humans to live in isolation and separation is death to them, death to humans, because the reality is the whole system that we're in is built on connection.

00:09:29.000 It's all interconnected.

00:09:31.000 It can't be fragmented, it can't be separated and live.

00:09:35.000 And so if I'm living my life like the point of my life is self protection and self promotion, I'm living a separated, isolated life.

00:09:44.000 And then it's me first, then it's my family next.

00:09:47.000 And then, you know, maybe a few friends, but mostly I've got to self protect and self promote myself against a world where there's not enough of anything for everybody.

00:09:56.000 So it's constant war.

00:09:58.000 In the connection worldview, I'm paying attention to how vital it is that I stay connected at every level with nature, with God, with myself, with others.

00:10:08.000 And in that, because in the connection worldview, like in nature, everything depends on everything else, right?

00:10:14.000 And no tree is trying to go off and live by itself in a gated community because it can't.

00:10:19.000 The system will fail and die.

00:10:21.000 And so, if you're paying attention to connection, then when you're having, when you're meeting with a person or talking with a person, even a stranger, your question is, in what way is there an invitation here from God to connect at even a deeper level than just, how are you?

00:10:38.000 Constantly paying attention to that.

00:10:40.000 And so, you know, when I come and I've, when I have these sort of distant connections to someone like you through my, someone talking about your podcast or whatever, there's these, I realize that these are all connections.

00:10:55.000 And then the connections deepen, not because I'm making them deepen, but because nature, the universe, God is moving them closer together in connection.

00:11:05.000 And the closer they come, the more I pay attention to them.

00:11:08.000 And so, you know, someone I know sent you a direct message recommending, hey, Russell, when you're referring to identity, this is someone you might want to talk to.

00:11:18.000 And then another one of my friends, Picked you up hitchhiking in, you know, one day in Florida.

00:11:26.000 That was a good friend of mine.

00:11:27.000 And they're like, we're talking to me one day.

00:11:29.000 Hey, yeah, we picked up Russell and he was, he's this great guy, really loved him.

00:11:34.000 And so, and then, you know, when Jake contacted my assistant, it was all like, okay, wow, this has been building for some time, like just because I'm paying attention to it.

00:11:46.000 And so then when you and I finally got to talk, I was already asking God, are you inviting me?

00:11:53.000 Into a deeper connection with Russell, not because of celebrity or anything like that, but just because there's some kind of mutual, reciprocal blessing involved if you and I connected a deeper level.

00:12:09.000 So immediately I'm willing to come meet with you, as I would be anyone where I felt like God's saying to me, This is an important connection for him, for you, for your family, for his family, for his neighborhood, your neighborhood.

00:12:24.000 Because of this morphic resonance that happens.

00:12:27.000 And so, why would I want to miss that invitation?

00:12:31.000 I like your commitment to God, that your commitment to God is a spiritual program of action.

00:12:38.000 A lot of people that I feel I can connect with intimately and quickly may understand addiction in the most literal sense addiction to alcohol and drugs.

00:12:48.000 If you are addicted to alcohol and drugs, as I was, you don't have to remind yourself to think about heroin or alcohol.

00:12:54.000 It happens automatically.

00:12:56.000 In an ongoing discourse with drugs, alcohol, and even if you take that down a level, if you've got an eat in disorder or an obsession with pornography or an obsession with wealth or an obsession with self hatred and negative self talk, it doesn't require prompting.

00:13:11.000 You're continually caught up in these negative voices.

00:13:14.000 You tell a wonderful story at the beginning of this book about a time you were addressing Harvard University where you explain that, and I won't for a second time mess up the retelling as I did when I told it to my beloved friend Joe, who's also on the podcast with us on occasion.

00:13:30.000 What I was Say, is that through our encounter, an idea that I'd felt because I think, you know, as you say, with the sublime and holy truth of God's Son, there are myriad routes via which He will communicate, whether that's culturally, temporally, in the faith of Islam or in the Vedic traditions.

00:13:52.000 I'm a Christian explicitly and devoutly, I'm a follower of Christ Jesus, but I know that He has millions and billions, infinite ways of communicating.

00:14:00.000 So there are cultural ways of communicating, then there's a personal way, it's like we discussed when my beloved dog. Died, I realized he is a shepherd.

00:14:07.000 And I looked at it as I was burying him, or my friends were doing their spade work, Kyle among them, actually, and Nikki's husband.

00:14:13.000 Like, I wasn't doing the actual digging, I should clarify that.

00:14:16.000 But like, I noticed that I was wearing a Lord, the Lord is my shepherd, like, sort of top.

00:14:22.000 And I thought, oh my God, he's a shepherd.

00:14:24.000 He does make me walk by, lay down in green pastures and sit by still waters.

00:14:29.000 And he does restore off my soul.

00:14:31.000 And in that moment, I realized something that I'd found hard to accept that Christ would die for me.

00:14:35.000 Suddenly rushed into me.

00:14:36.000 So there are so many ways and infinite ways that God might communicate.

00:14:39.000 Most important, I think, is to recognize that there is the opportunity for continual unending communication with God within the most intimate temple of your own being.

00:14:48.000 And you really helped me under understand that Jamie on that visit.

00:14:52.000 What do you say about these voices and this sort of quality of inner voices, negative and positive?

00:14:58.000 Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely right.

00:15:00.000 And so, one thing that I talk about, and you and I talked about, and I think it's what the scriptures are saying, is that we know that what sets people free, what sets humans free, is knowing and experiencing truth, right?

00:15:16.000 Knowing and experiencing truth.

00:15:17.000 So, when we read that in the scriptures, it doesn't say knowing and experiencing Christian truth or knowing and experiencing Quranic truth.

00:15:24.000 There's not an ownership of the truth, it's the truth, right?

00:15:28.000 And so, when you're talking about all the ways that God can communicate with us, what God's always Communicating to us is what is true.

00:15:35.000 And so, when I'm with a group of people, like the Harvard example or wherever, whatever, even if the, and I did this yesterday with a group, is whether that group believes, I also am a Christ follower very devoutly and clearly.

00:15:50.000 Whether that group believes in Christ or the Bible doesn't matter.

00:15:54.000 My question to them is, we're going to talk about what's true.

00:15:56.000 And so I'm going to ask you a question right now.

00:15:58.000 And all I want you to do is tell me the truth.

00:16:02.000 Raise your hand. 1.00

00:16:03.000 If you can hear a voice inside of your head or heart somewhere that's telling you you're a disaster, you're a terrible parent, you know, you suck, you're a fraud, and everyone raises their hand. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Everyone raises their hand. 1.00

00:16:19.000 So we all agree right at the beginning, whatever our tradition is, is that we can hear voices inside of us, inside of our head that are external from us.

00:16:28.000 So we got, okay, so that's true.

00:16:30.000 So my next question is, okay, raise your hand then.

00:16:33.000 We all agree we can hear voices.

00:16:35.000 We hear voices that are critical.

00:16:37.000 Raise your hand if you hear a voice inside of your head that says, You're loved, you're amazing, you're more than enough.

00:16:45.000 Raise your hand, and nobody raises their hand.

00:16:48.000 Nobody raises their hand.

00:16:49.000 So we're all agreeing that we can all hear voices, and the voices that we're hearing, or listening to, or paying attention to are telling us that we're failures and we're unworthy.

00:17:01.000 But the voice, a voice that would tell us, You're amazing, you're connected, you're never alone, you're never powerless.

00:17:08.000 We can't hear it.

00:17:10.000 And that's a truth.

00:17:11.000 And that truth is a confession.

00:17:13.000 I can't hear that voice.

00:17:15.000 And so, because of just knowing that, then my challenge to the person is okay, well, what if we turn down the voice that's negative and turn up the voice that is there that is telling you the truth of who you are?

00:17:29.000 How liberating that would be and how empowering and how much fear that would take away if you could hear that voice.

00:17:36.000 And I give the example of when I was a rookie police officer and I'm in the car with my training officer, the troll, the beloved troll.

00:17:44.000 And he says to me, you've got to be able to hear your number when they call you, your unit number on the radio.

00:17:49.000 It's 510.

00:17:50.000 And I say, okay, I get that, but there's a hundred voices on that radio talking all the time.

00:17:56.000 And so he said, you've got to be able to hear they're saying 610 and 220 and 520.

00:18:01.000 You got to be able to hear 510.

00:18:03.000 And I said, okay, I will.

00:18:05.000 And he said, they've already called you twice while you're sitting here.

00:18:09.000 And I said, and so if you would have put me on a lie detector and said, did they call you two times already?

00:18:16.000 I would have said no.

00:18:17.000 And I would have been telling the truth and I would have been wrong.

00:18:21.000 It would have been false.

00:18:23.000 But because I couldn't hear it in my mind, it doesn't exist.

00:18:27.000 They didn't call me.

00:18:28.000 But that's the point is not the point is they were, they have called you.

00:18:32.000 But you haven't trained your ear to listen to that voice, but you can hear every other voice.

00:18:38.000 So, the discipline is how do I train or how do I be mentored? 0.99

00:18:43.000 Because it takes mentoring to turn down all the voices I've heard my whole life you're a loser and something's wrong with you. 0.87

00:18:50.000 Turn those voices down and listen to the other voice that's been talking the whole time. 0.55

00:18:56.000 But you say it wasn't speaking, not because it wasn't speaking, because you didn't hear it.

00:19:03.000 So, we're going to turn down the negative voices and turn up and focus in on the voice of the one who loved you, who's always loved you, who's never left you or forsaken you.

00:19:14.000 And we're going to learn how to listen to that voice.

00:19:17.000 So, the dispute is not can we hear voices?

00:19:21.000 The dispute is whether or not there's a voice that's loved you the whole time and created you and wants to guide you.

00:19:27.000 Jamie, I want to confess something to you.

00:19:29.000 Obviously, we're saying this to an audience, and hopefully, this will be seen at various points by my prayer, is millions of people.

00:19:35.000 I want to confess that sometimes I. Feel like I'm doing the voice of negativity to other people.

00:19:42.000 Like I'm doing the negative voice to maybe Jake, who I love, or my wife, who I love, or people I work with, or maybe even my children, who I completely, you know, would die for in a heartbeat.

00:19:53.000 And I think I'm doing the work of that negative voice.

00:19:57.000 How can I be cleansed of that?

00:19:59.000 We're talking to an audience now of people that I don't want them to experience no more of that negativity from me.

00:20:05.000 I want to be a conduit And amplifier of the voice within them that is telling them that they are beautiful, that they are enough, that they are loved.

00:20:15.000 What do I have to do?

00:20:17.000 Yeah.

00:20:17.000 So, Jesus says, out of the overflow of your heart, the mouth speaks.

00:20:22.000 So, like, what's filling this up?

00:20:25.000 You know?

00:20:25.000 And so, I mean, I was with some guys yesterday, you know, pretty serious people and not very open to emotional, Christian y kind of stuff.

00:20:35.000 And I was asking them, when you were growing up, you heard certain voices that made you fearful and doubtful in your life.

00:20:43.000 What were the tell me, tell me what those voices said?

00:20:46.000 And one of the men said, He's a successful guy. 0.93

00:20:49.000 He said, I've never really thought about it, but I, but I guess the main voice I heard was the times my dad, my dad, who loved me, would call me a dumbass, jokingly, you know.

00:21:00.000 And he said, But now that you're asking me that question, that's what I feel like.

00:21:05.000 That's what I feel like, even though I'm successful, but deep down, I still feel like that because that's what was spoken into me.

00:21:12.000 And in my own life, you know, you're a disappointment.

00:21:14.000 So that's spoken into us and a person can't give away what they don't have, but they, but they will give away what they do have.

00:21:24.000 And so, no matter what, what's going to come out of that guy. 0.99

00:21:27.000 And the reason I was talking to him was because of the conflict he's involved in, is because every time someone says to him, Hey, like we could do this better, all he hears is you're a dumbass. 0.99

00:21:36.000 That's what he hears. 0.99

00:21:37.000 And he reacts against it.

00:21:39.000 He reacts against it, but he doesn't know why.

00:21:41.000 Like, you're mean.

00:21:42.000 Why are you so mean?

00:21:43.000 I don't know.

00:21:44.000 I'm, I'm, but it's because that's been what's planted in him.

00:21:48.000 And so, when I'm talking to my kids as they're growing up, and I think, I think I'm a fake, I'm a fraud.

00:21:56.000 When I'm talking to my own kids, that's what comes out of me.

00:21:59.000 I've got to prove to them that I'm not fake, that I'm not fraud.

00:22:02.000 I've got to make sure that they don't make the same mistakes I make and you overcompensate or you whatever.

00:22:07.000 And so it's so interesting.

00:22:10.000 The way to speak blessing into people is by receiving blessing from God.

00:22:18.000 This is what Jesus says to the Samaritan woman If you drink from me, from you will flow the rivers of living water.

00:22:24.000 So the answer is receive from God.

00:22:27.000 Receive from God.

00:22:28.000 Let And this is hard for us, but you have to let God serve you first.

00:22:34.000 He has to serve you before you can serve other people.

00:22:37.000 And most humans think we're just here to serve God.

00:22:41.000 We're just here to serve God.

00:22:42.000 But He says, I didn't come to be served, I came to serve.

00:22:47.000 So we've always got it backwards.

00:22:49.000 Like, I got to get out and serve Him.

00:22:51.000 You can't serve Him unless He serves you first.

00:22:55.000 Man, I think about those geniuses in AA, just sorry to interrupt you, but like in the 12 steps, Like the first 10 steps are really about, well, the first six steps, evaluating yourselves.

00:23:05.000 Then there's some steps about making amends to people you've harmed to set things straight.

00:23:10.000 Then step 11, increase and improve through prayer and meditation, our conscious contact with God.

00:23:15.000 Step 12, carry the message, practice these principles in all your affairs, help others, go become a servant.

00:23:21.000 So the highest calling you can get is to become a servant of God, to receive what he's given you.

00:23:27.000 And it's not going to go back into, unless you're particularly called into sort of meditation, prayer worship, monasticism, mendicantism, you're mostly going to be going, Output transcript Outward in service and like our Lord, putting Himself among those who needed Him most the broken, the wounded, the hurt, the people that were most, I guess, in the material world, whether that's anchored, pulled down by their sexuality or by materialism and systems, bureaucratic, empire oriented systems.

00:23:57.000 That makes a lot of sense to me.

00:23:58.000 Hey, Jamie, isn't it strange that we all hear the same voice in the condemning? 0.55

00:24:03.000 You know, you're a disappointment. 1.00

00:24:05.000 You're a dumbass. 1.00

00:24:06.000 Like, I started to realize prior to reading. 1.00

00:24:08.000 Your book, I'm like, I'm programmed that there's certain things, certain stimulants that they would switch off my awareness.

00:24:17.000 In fact, yesterday after you'd gone, I was like, I was feeling very in the presence of the Lord, and I was like, I could moment to moment, stimulant by stimulant, identify, no, don't go down there, don't do that, you know, like just with interactions, no, don't stare, don't be silly, don't be.

00:24:34.000 And then the thought occurred, I wonder what it will be that will take me out of this.

00:24:39.000 And back into the kind of unconscious false identity.

00:24:42.000 And guess what?

00:24:43.000 It was a communication with my wife, me and my wife talking about money.

00:24:47.000 So I took out money and like I switched off and went into fear.

00:24:51.000 Like fear took over.

00:24:53.000 Exactly.

00:24:54.000 Right.

00:24:55.000 And so that's exactly right.

00:24:56.000 And that's where we get tripped up.

00:25:00.000 We're in this tight abiding with the Lord and listening.

00:25:03.000 And then, so something will happen.

00:25:07.000 And it's not just maybe you're talking about money or whatever.

00:25:10.000 And then what happens is this belief comes in there's not enough.

00:25:15.000 It precedes the fear.

00:25:16.000 It's the thought that precedes the fear.

00:25:19.000 What triggered me?

00:25:20.000 What statement triggered me?

00:25:21.000 We don't have enough money.

00:25:24.000 So that's the lie.

00:25:26.000 There's not enough.

00:25:27.000 There's the scarcity lie.

00:25:28.000 There's not enough, whatever.

00:25:30.000 And then immediately you feel fearful.

00:25:34.000 This is the mistake people make.

00:25:36.000 The fear isn't saying, you better be afraid you don't have enough.

00:25:39.000 The fear is saying, don't start believing the lie of scarcity.

00:25:43.000 That's what the fear is warning you against.

00:25:46.000 Stop right now.

00:25:48.000 What are you afraid of?

00:25:49.000 I'm afraid that we don't have enough money.

00:25:51.000 Keep going.

00:25:52.000 What does that mean?

00:25:52.000 God's not going to take care of us.

00:25:54.000 That's the lie.

00:25:55.000 And the fear is going, warning, warning, warning.

00:25:58.000 Deal with the lie.

00:25:59.000 Deal with the lie.

00:26:00.000 Don't try and get rid of the fear.

00:26:02.000 Deal with the lie and the fear goes away.

00:26:05.000 It's almost like the opposite of what people say if the finger is pointing to the moon and we asphyxiate on the finger.

00:26:12.000 People say that in a positive way, don't they?

00:26:14.000 Instead of focusing on God, we infatuate on the false idolatry, maybe of the carrier of the message, for example, or the nature of the church, or the doctrine, or the dogma.

00:26:25.000 But you're saying there's an inversion too, that fear is a gift.

00:26:31.000 My friend Gavin DeBecker, in fact, wrote a book called The Gift of Fear.

00:26:34.000 And the gift of fear would be pay attention, pay attention.

00:26:38.000 That's right.

00:26:39.000 That we actually go, oh, no, I've already done, we've sort of assumed that we're at the destination when in fact it's a journey energy.

00:26:47.000 It's journey energy.

00:26:48.000 Careful where you go, beware.

00:26:50.000 So, what does that mean?

00:26:51.000 I've heard you say elsewhere, you know, 365 times in scripture, do not be afraid, and yet poised or opposed or counterbalanced with.

00:27:03.000 Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

00:27:06.000 Tell me about that, please.

00:27:08.000 Yeah, so, so, I mean, Hebrews chapter five, one of my favorite passages where, where it's talking about Jesus praying in the garden, Hebrews chapter five, especially in the amplified translation.

00:27:19.000 It says, with loud crying and groanings and loud tears, Jesus called out to the one who was able to save him up and out of death because he was horrified by the, by the idea of being separated from the glory of Christ, Hebrews chapter five.

00:27:35.000 So if you ask in that passage in the Garden of Gethsemane, if you ask Jesus, Why is he sweating blood?

00:27:43.000 What's the great travail in there?

00:27:47.000 According to Hebrews, his fear is that he in some way might be separated from the presence of God.

00:27:55.000 All of us should be terrified of that notion.

00:27:58.000 That's not what we're afraid of.

00:28:00.000 That's not what scares us.

00:28:02.000 Fear of the Lord is the beginning of the wisdom.

00:28:05.000 Fear of the Lord is to fear not hearing his voice, is to fear not.

00:28:11.000 Not walking with him is to fear not giving to my kids the gift that he's given me and my identity.

00:28:18.000 Those are the things we should fear.

00:28:21.000 But what we should not be afraid of is that he's not with us.

00:28:24.000 We're not enough. 1.00

00:28:25.000 We're stupid. 1.00

00:28:27.000 And that has to be said 365 times. 1.00

00:28:30.000 Don't be afraid.

00:28:32.000 Because when the disciples lock themselves in the room after the resurrection, they do it out of fear. 0.91

00:28:38.000 It's not the fear of the Lord, it's the fear of the Jews. 0.94

00:28:40.000 That's why they're locking themselves in a room. 0.84

00:28:43.000 And so Jesus comes into that room through the locked door.

00:28:47.000 It's a very beautiful metaphor.

00:28:48.000 He comes inside of their locked door fear.

00:28:51.000 He doesn't need to open the door.

00:28:53.000 He just walks in it and he doesn't stand outside of your fear yelling to you.

00:28:57.000 He comes inside your fear and he says to them, Don't be afraid.

00:29:02.000 Don't be afraid.

00:29:04.000 That's the very first thing he says to them.

00:29:05.000 He doesn't say, Fear the Lord.

00:29:06.000 He says, Don't be afraid because what they're afraid of is that what's going to happen to them is what happened to Jesus and they're going to get killed and they're going to lose and the whole thing's a failure.

00:29:16.000 And he's saying, Don't be afraid of that.

00:29:19.000 Be afraid of locking yourselves in a room away from God.

00:29:24.000 Be afraid of isolating yourselves into separation and isolation.

00:29:28.000 And be afraid of that.

00:29:30.000 And so you and I talked about this too, you know, because I went through recovery myself.

00:29:35.000 And I was telling you that I would pray, as you rightfully said, I didn't have to wake up and say, Wow, how shall I think about alcohol today?

00:29:42.000 It was like, I've got to get to it as fast as I can.

00:29:45.000 Right.

00:29:46.000 And so, which we should be doing with the Lord instead of that.

00:29:49.000 And so when I'm going through the detox process, I kept saying to God, take this thirst away from me.

00:29:56.000 Take this thirst away from me.

00:29:57.000 Take this thirst away from me.

00:29:58.000 And he said, I want you to be thirsty.

00:30:02.000 I want you to be thirsty every single day.

00:30:05.000 I just don't want you to drink that.

00:30:09.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:30:09.000 Drink from meat.

00:30:12.000 I notice, firstly, that fear is the beginning of wisdom, and that actually matches very beautifully.

00:30:18.000 And obviously, this is precisely your point, but just to extrapolate on that, that fear is the beginning of wisdom.

00:30:24.000 So, that fear, follow it, follow it, is going to lead you to wisdom.

00:30:29.000 Do you know?

00:30:30.000 I think there's something that seems very familiar to me, Jamie, in my own life, in this kind of sense of real irony that the thing that they fear, they are implementing.

00:30:41.000 Implementing through their fearful actions because the true fear is separation from God, and the actions that fear has led them to take is to separate them from God.

00:30:49.000 Now, I've got a lot of experience of that in my own life where I feel fear, and then the thing I do is manifest it.

00:30:57.000 I make it, I create it.

00:30:59.000 Now, does this do you sense the presence of the enemy in this, the enemy and the evil one?

00:31:05.000 Because even though I recognize, Jamie, that you know, we have to be men of our generation and use the language that's appropriate for our generation, that there is some kind of supernatural.

00:31:16.000 Component at work here if we, through the very fear that God gives us to lead us to Him, instantiate parts of the empire, counterfeit empire of the fallen one.

00:31:27.000 Absolutely.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:29.000 It's, it's, we live with the constant presence of the lie, right?

00:31:34.000 The lie, the liar.

00:31:35.000 That's exactly right. 0.92

00:31:36.000 And the lie is always right here, it's always here.

00:31:40.000 And so, even when Jesus is going through the temptation successfully, you know, it says that Satan, the liar, went away and waited for a more opportune time, not gone forever.

00:31:50.000 It's like, oh no, oh no, the lie will always be there to be embraced, always.

00:31:58.000 And so, that's no matter how tightly we abide.

00:32:02.000 That lie is always in our ear.

00:32:04.000 And so the discipline is for me.

00:32:07.000 Let me give you an example.

00:32:08.000 So for me, I'm a disappointment.

00:32:09.000 That's my big lie.

00:32:11.000 And that lie causes me to overcompensate or to withdraw one of the two.

00:32:17.000 And both of them causes me to move into a false version of myself the overcompensating me or the I'm not going to participate me.

00:32:26.000 Both of those are motivated by the absolute belief that I'm a disappointment is my actual identity.

00:32:31.000 That's the lie I have to deal with.

00:32:33.000 When the Lord, when I meet Christ and I start to understand, He never said that about me.

00:32:38.000 In fact, it's the opposite that He says about me. 1.00

00:32:41.000 So I learned to know that's true.

00:32:43.000 So we call this moving the enemy from behind you to in front of you.

00:32:46.000 So the idea is like when a person is triggered by something, they believe something that was taught to them or said about them from their past that's living in them as true in the present, it's coming from behind them.

00:33:00.000 When you experience transformation in Christ and Christ in you, the hope of glory, and the old has passed away and the new has come, it's taking away the lie from the past.

00:33:12.000 So, as you mature and you develop, you'll be able to go back into memories with Christ, who will redeem the moments in your past that cursed you.

00:33:24.000 The moments are real.

00:33:25.000 What happened is real.

00:33:26.000 This person said that about you.

00:33:27.000 This did happen, whatever.

00:33:29.000 But with Christ, In back in the memory with you, he's telling you, yeah, they said that, but here's the truth about why they said it.

00:33:37.000 Here's the truth about what I said about you on that same day.

00:33:40.000 And so the memories that have been fragmented and fractured, he remembers them.

00:33:47.000 So when we go back with him, they're not condemnation and accusation.

00:33:52.000 They're being remembered by Christ so that when the enemy tries to attack us from the back, there's no condemnation there.

00:34:03.000 That's what the verse is.

00:34:04.000 There is now no condemnation in the past.

00:34:06.000 So that means when I go back there and I did all of these things because I believed all these lies about myself, when I go back there with Jesus, then I can walk through this same incident with him talking to me the whole time instead of my dad or the abuser.

00:34:22.000 It's him talking to me, and he takes the fracture and the fragmentation that happened in that horrible moment and he remembers it.

00:34:32.000 He puts it all back together in a way that's true.

00:34:35.000 And this allows me to forgive the people in the past.

00:34:39.000 It allows me to forgive myself, right?

00:34:42.000 And then it allows, so the enemy, this is how we tactically talk about it, can no longer attack me from the past.

00:34:50.000 He still will, but now he has to come from the front, right?

00:34:55.000 He has to come from in front of me.

00:34:56.000 And the benefit of that is I can see him coming.

00:34:59.000 I can see him come a mile away.

00:35:01.000 And I could go, here we go, here we go.

00:35:03.000 I'm going to hear I'm a disappointment.

00:35:05.000 But I beat it before he gets there.

00:35:05.000 Here we go.

00:35:09.000 So Jesus, the enemy never can attack Jesus from his past.

00:35:09.000 Right?

00:35:14.000 So whenever the enemy comes at Jesus, Jesus is right there.

00:35:17.000 It's right there.

00:35:18.000 It's right there.

00:35:19.000 And so if I'm in a, you know, Donna says something to me that triggers me, I'm like, there it is.

00:35:25.000 What she said, you know, is there another way you could have disciplined our son there?

00:35:31.000 Instead of hearing, oh, I'm a disappointment as a parent, and then reacting against all of that with anger and defensiveness and fear, I can go, wow.

00:35:40.000 Boy, the enemy, right when she said that, the enemy is right there going, You know what that means, your disappointment.

00:35:45.000 But I can see him.

00:35:46.000 I can see it.

00:35:47.000 I can hear the lie.

00:35:48.000 And I'm not going that way.

00:35:50.000 I'm not going to go down that route.

00:35:52.000 I reject you in the name of Jesus.

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00:38:59.000 So, check out this.

00:39:00.000 Like, there's like, you know, prowling like a lion.

00:39:03.000 That's good, isn't it?

00:39:04.000 Because you can see a lion.

00:39:05.000 He's prowling like a lion.

00:39:07.000 No problem.

00:39:07.000 I can check out a lion rather than some weird, insidious, invisible, parasitic thing rising up from the guts.

00:39:13.000 That's harder to detect.

00:39:15.000 Two things there.

00:39:16.000 Around that verse in Hebrew, there's the, I always think I pronounce this wrong, Melchizedek or Melchizedek.

00:39:22.000 How do you say in your accent? 1.00

00:39:23.000 Like, you know, he's making.

00:39:24.000 The point that outside of their tradition, there is a high priest that appears in their history outside of Levitical tradition, i.e., even from outside, I guess, because Hebrews is one might imagine addressed to Hebrew people, letting them know that there is something beyond the limitations of their tradition and that Christ is of that tradition.

00:39:45.000 Now, C.S. Lewis, he in his book Great Divorce seems to be espousing two key ideas, as far as I can say, and I'm not suggesting this is the final now in the coughing of analyzing any of C.S. Lewis's great works, but I would say.

00:39:58.000 One thing he plainly says, literally, is like when you look back at your life, if you accept the Lord, you will see that it was all heaven, that it was all coaching you into this state.

00:40:08.000 If you reject the Lord, then you will look back and see it all as purgatorial in all of its greyness and drabness, as excellently depicted in that book by C.S. Lewis.

00:40:16.000 Notable, too, given the nature of your work, my friend and teacher, is that the problems those people have, the individual case studies in this visit to heaven, as explained in The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis, Is each one of them unwilling to let go of their identity?

00:40:32.000 The ones that are unwilling to let go of their worldly identity cannot receive heaven.

00:40:36.000 They can't receive it.

00:40:38.000 They can't go there.

00:40:39.000 I'd like to offer you this too from the Maharabhata, specifically, I think, in the Bhagavad Gita.

00:40:43.000 The warrior Arjuna, who does rightly choose Krishna, Christ, to be at his side in the battle, and is told, you know, this battle's already done.

00:40:56.000 All of us are already killed by time.

00:40:57.000 It doesn't matter that you're lining up against your Cousins and your uncles and your teachers, they're all dead by time anyway.

00:41:02.000 When Krishna's finished explaining everything to Arjuna, Arjuna's last words are, I remember.

00:41:09.000 I remember.

00:41:10.000 He puts it all back together in that moment.

00:41:11.000 And finally, one time while making a movie, this dude on the movie had worked for Rupert Murdoch.

00:41:19.000 Rupert Murdoch is the Australian media magnate, owner of much of News International at different times Fox News, Sun newspaper, Times in the UK, lots.

00:41:28.000 He's a big, big, powerful dude and he's going strong at 93 years and four marriages in.

00:41:33.000 I said to this guy way back 20 years ago, whatever, when I was making this movie, can you tell me something about Rupert Murdoch?

00:41:39.000 You know, I was kind of fascinated by him because, as a British Person, I've seen the impact of his media empire on British culture, and it's not a good one, I would say, largely.

00:41:48.000 And he goes, Yeah, Reuben Murdoch lives like he's never gonna die, like as if death doesn't apply to him.

00:41:55.000 So if something doesn't go his way, he's like, He waits for a more opportune moment.

00:42:01.000 And I note that there is something Luciferian often in these oligarchical figures.

00:42:07.000 These magnates, a while ago, were strewn in the world of mass print media.

00:42:13.000 Now, We have a new oligarchical class. 0.80

00:42:16.000 One might say they're doing that.

00:42:17.000 They're sort of carrying that false arc of false counterfeit knowledge together.

00:42:22.000 And I note that they have an extraordinary fascination with not dying.

00:42:26.000 With like, don't worry, you'll be able to download your consciousness into a thing and we'll all live forever and we'll take this supplement and that supplement.

00:42:33.000 Note the irony.

00:42:34.000 I do love the methylene blue myself.

00:42:36.000 But like what I would say is that this fixation with God's domain and entering into his domain, creating great knowledge bases, false omniscience, false omnipresence, false omnipotence is a, The hallmark of the evil one, the hallmark of the empire.

00:42:53.000 I wonder, Jamie, how do each of us demark our particular assignments in the kingdom?

00:43:03.000 How do you help to determine that?

00:43:05.000 I mean, you have a very extraordinary backstory, and of course, it's a matter of public record that you were a police officer and a police officer that excelled in unusual ways.

00:43:15.000 But I was very curious about why you found yourself spending so much time in Middle Eastern countries working.

00:43:22.000 Out there.

00:43:24.000 It seems to be a very interesting path that's led you to where you are.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, I mean, so that's like everything that you're saying.

00:43:33.000 It's super interesting when you're talking about these Lucerian figures that are actually in denial of the truth of who they are.

00:43:41.000 They wouldn't even know.

00:43:43.000 The whole thing that they're doing is this denial of mortality and fallibility and all the stuff that's real in a connected worldview.

00:43:51.000 And so, to me, it all comes down to identity.

00:43:54.000 I think this is what the scriptures are about from the very beginning when God names Adam and Eve and then he gives them the power to name.

00:44:03.000 That's what he gives them the authority to do to name, to give identity to nature, to creation.

00:44:11.000 And then naming is critical to God.

00:44:17.000 The names of things, the names of places, what does the enemy call you?

00:44:21.000 What does God call you?

00:44:22.000 So it's about identity.

00:44:23.000 And you said it in the intro.

00:44:26.000 Identity, if identity isn't transformed in a person, nothing will transform.

00:44:32.000 Beliefs won't transform.

00:44:34.000 Nothing transforms.

00:44:35.000 And so when I'm a You know, rookie police officer, and you're out there, and we're like, if we could just put people in this kind of housing, or if we none of that transforms the person, what transforms the person is identity.

00:44:47.000 Once the person understands the truth of who God says that they are, it's like the Apostle Paul says in Philippians, he says, People say I'm imprisoned, and they're ashamed because I'm in prison.

00:44:59.000 I'm not in prison, I'm encased in Christ.

00:45:02.000 That's what he says I'm encased in Christ.

00:45:04.000 And so, his identity doesn't come from the circumstances around him.

00:45:08.000 Or his vocation, it comes, he brings his identity into the circumstances and into his vocation.

00:45:14.000 So then, identity for me is, you know, I wanted to be a police officer.

00:45:19.000 I wanted to be a police officer.

00:45:21.000 That was the key word to me, not do police work.

00:45:23.000 I wanted to be a police officer.

00:45:25.000 And it represented something in my 14 year old mind when I wanted to do that.

00:45:29.000 And as I journeyed towards that vocation, you know, I met this amazing nurse who walked me into understanding Jesus in a correct way.

00:45:37.000 And she modeled it to me.

00:45:40.000 So, when I got into the police department, I knew that I was bringing my identity into the vocation, which allowed me the freedom to make decisions even if I lost my job.

00:45:52.000 So, a person who gets their identity from what they do, what they have, and what people think about them are absolutely imprisoned their whole life.

00:46:00.000 Yeah.

00:46:01.000 Right.

00:46:02.000 And so, identity to me was like, this gives me the freedom to, if God invites me to do something and it's counter to my vocation or, you know, the general orders or something like that, I can weigh it and say, What's more important, this person that I'm talking to or my job, which is one of the stories I tell in that book there.

00:46:23.000 And so once I understood identity, then started to understand my identity, and my identity happens to be identity is interesting.

00:46:34.000 God speaks at identity generally, and then he becomes more and more specific.

00:46:39.000 So he might say to a person, Your identity is you are beloved.

00:46:44.000 Unless a person really understands and accepts that they're loved by God, they won't go any further to receive anything from God that he offers them.

00:46:52.000 Well, so I'm calling you a mighty man of valor.

00:46:55.000 Yeah, but I don't think you'd love me.

00:46:56.000 So why would I believe that I'm a mighty man of valor?

00:46:58.000 So there's these basics.

00:47:00.000 You're loved by God.

00:47:02.000 We love him because he first loved us.

00:47:04.000 How do we know he loved us?

00:47:05.000 Because he demonstrated his love to us and that while we were his enemies, he died for us.

00:47:09.000 That's, that's how you know he loves you.

00:47:11.000 He did it.

00:47:12.000 He demonstrated and you have to receive what he did when he served you on the cross.

00:47:17.000 He served you there.

00:47:19.000 He served you there.

00:47:20.000 And you have to receive him serving you.

00:47:23.000 And if you don't receive what he served you, you can never become anything, right?

00:47:29.000 And so that's why to be in the kingdom, you have to receive.

00:47:32.000 You have to let God serve you first.

00:47:35.000 And what he's serving you is the truth of who you are.

00:47:39.000 He's telling you that, and you have to receive what he says about you, not what the pastor says about you, not what.

00:47:47.000 Anybody says about you, what he says about you.

00:47:51.000 And then the goal of life is to live and believe about yourself what God says and believes about you.

00:48:00.000 That's the key.

00:48:01.000 That's identity.

00:48:02.000 Then when you start to understand that my identity in the kingdom, this is from Mark chapter four, is God refers to me as an untire of knots.

00:48:12.000 That's how he refers to me.

00:48:15.000 I'm born again.

00:48:16.000 I'm a child of God.

00:48:17.000 I'm one of the chosen.

00:48:18.000 Those are collective family identities.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:21.000 But each Child has a distinct identity, just like in our family.

00:48:25.000 So once I get, once I understand that, and this is what we're always walking people into this process of understanding their own unique identity, it says the identity is so, as Isaiah says, that you will know that you are mine.

00:48:39.000 I'm giving you this name so that not so you can do stuff for me, but so that you will know that you are mine.

00:48:45.000 Like your little kids, you know, when you say their names, and I love the way you talk to them, what you're telling them is you belong to me.

00:48:53.000 You belong in this family.

00:48:55.000 And that gives them security.

00:48:57.000 And you tell them you're beautiful.

00:48:59.000 You're telling, and they have to receive that from you, right?

00:49:04.000 Instead of saying, you know, you're a nutcase, but you're saying you're beautiful and you're smart and I love how you draw.

00:49:11.000 You're pumping identity into them and they're receiving it from you.

00:49:16.000 Now they're all your kids and you love them all, but you love this one in a certain way and this one and they have distinct identity.

00:49:21.000 So you're giving that to them.

00:49:23.000 And so what happens to them, and I've watched this in the short time I was with your kids, I watch vocationally what they do because of their identity, these attractions towards certain actions and nature and drawing, it's because that's their identity expressing itself.

00:49:43.000 And so as a parent, You're trying to help them, along with you, identify that the identity God has given them.

00:49:52.000 You're helping them identify it and walk in it and learn not to be afraid of it or to reject it or to believe other identities that the world's going to call them and give them.

00:50:03.000 That's what good parenting is teaching a kid how to hear from God and know their identity.

00:50:08.000 If they can hear from God well and they understand their identity, you can put them in any situation in the future and they'll be fine. 0.94

00:50:17.000 But Christian parents can't do it because those kids can't hear from God and they don't know their identity. 1.00

00:50:23.000 So, we've got to take them away, put them over here, keep them over here, keep them away from everybody else. 1.00

00:50:28.000 It's separation.

00:50:30.000 We can't throw them into the dark real world because they won't be able to stand.

00:50:35.000 All they'll be able to do is to try and make the whole rest of the world just like themselves, which means they'll become its dominant theology.

00:50:43.000 If I can just dominate everything, then everyone will have to be like me.

00:50:48.000 Then I'll be okay.

00:50:50.000 Yeah, that's no good.

00:50:51.000 And then it crushes the identity of all the other people, right?

00:50:55.000 No good, right?

00:50:56.000 And everyone has to be just like you.

00:50:58.000 And so, as an untieer of knots, so once I understand that's my identity, then my gift to every person I encounter is to untie their knots.

00:51:06.000 That's my gift to them.

00:51:08.000 And you can say your own identity, I know what it is, but my wife is a timeless life giver.

00:51:13.000 And so, when she's talking with a person, she's giving them life.

00:51:19.000 That's what she does.

00:51:20.000 She doesn't untie their knots, I do. 0.75

00:51:22.000 She gives them life.

00:51:22.000 But when we're together, I'm untying their knots and she's giving their, it's like a double infusion.

00:51:27.000 And when you have five identities together with a people group, you have five different identities pouring their identities into this people, and it allows them the freedom to become who they are.

00:51:40.000 Yes.

00:51:40.000 And so I was saying this to some police officers yesterday.

00:51:43.000 Imagine you're on a 911 call in a domestic dispute, and you're not going to go in there to lock people up.

00:51:50.000 You don't need God to lock people up or the Holy Spirit or prayer.

00:51:53.000 It doesn't require any of that.

00:51:54.000 But to go in there, and I know, okay, I'm a police officer, but I'm an untired nun. 0.60

00:51:59.000 I'm going in this to domestic dispute.

00:52:01.000 The greatest thing I can do in my vocation, my vocation has allowed me to be there.

00:52:06.000 That's what my vocation is giving me access to these people.

00:52:09.000 Beautiful. 0.68

00:52:09.000 Yes. 0.68

00:52:10.000 Acting gives you access to people.

00:52:12.000 Writing gives podcasts access to people.

00:52:14.000 Why?

00:52:15.000 So you can give them the gift of your identity.

00:52:18.000 And from that, they can discover their own identity.

00:52:21.000 That's what makes it transformational.

00:52:23.000 Otherwise, it's just a podcast or whatever.

00:52:26.000 So when I go in there and I would say, you know, we break up the fight, you know, all that.

00:52:31.000 But when I'm with the person and I start to say to them, look, I'm a police officer, but really what I'm here for is to give you the give my, here's my, tell me what you're afraid of.

00:52:40.000 Like, what are you afraid of in the situation that you're in?

00:52:42.000 And help them untie knots that they don't even know they have.

00:52:46.000 The beauty of that is when a police officer does something like that, you don't just stop the domestic dispute for tonight.

00:52:54.000 You can end it forever for that person.

00:52:57.000 Beautiful.

00:52:57.000 Like, we're not going back there anymore.

00:52:59.000 And then the person writes a letter to the chief of police saying, Wow, we didn't know you trained your police officer to talk like this.

00:53:05.000 You know, oh, right.

00:53:08.000 That's good gear.

00:53:09.000 That's good gear.

00:53:10.000 You know, because untie of knots, that's a very good.

00:53:12.000 Position like a good vocation to approach from because the person's in a kind of crisis mode, and like so, they're very good position to receive that wisdom.

00:53:22.000 I was just thinking about this Our Lord, I knit you together in your mother's womb.

00:53:28.000 The fallen one ties the knots, makes you into a new pattern, conforms you to the pattern of the world.

00:53:35.000 The fallen one, because the reason it's hard to untie people's knots is they think they are the knot that you think they think you're undoing the truth of who they are, they're living in a counter.

00:53:45.000 Fit identity, a sort of a facsimile identity that's been woven into him.

00:53:48.000 In the sense you were here, you know, because I chatted to Joe, who's on one of our podcasts with us.

00:53:55.000 You know, while I wanted to do it with Joe, my best version of what I've seen you do with people with Joe, so that you could see me do it.

00:54:03.000 Then I like, and you said it was good.

00:54:05.000 So, like, I felt empowered to carry on.

00:54:07.000 Then, when I was with like a friend of the family, like, there was this lady, and like, funny enough, she did do it exactly how you just described.

00:54:15.000 Firstly, she said a generic identity, daughter of God.

00:54:19.000 And I said, keep going, keep going.

00:54:23.000 And like, she got to an idea, like, a different identity.

00:54:26.000 And then I saw her again today.

00:54:27.000 And I said hi there to her, and I said her name, and she said, No, call me by my new name.

00:54:32.000 And before, like, really crazy.

00:54:33.000 And before I met you, I kept having this feeling all the time when I was reading scripture of, I'm going to change my name.

00:54:40.000 I'm going to change my name.

00:54:41.000 I'm going to change my name.

00:54:42.000 I want a different name.

00:54:43.000 I'm going to change.

00:54:44.000 And I kept, like, you know, looking at words in scripture.

00:54:46.000 It's like, hmm, Ezekiel, that would suit me.

00:54:49.000 And I'm looking at it, so I'm like, But now I realize it's not that name.

00:54:54.000 It's not that, although my name is Brand, unbelievably.

00:54:58.000 I'm like, like, um, You know, like it's like because brand as a noun, it's as a verb.

00:55:05.000 Oh my word.

00:55:06.000 I mean, it's there's such a lot in there.

00:55:07.000 It's got fire in it.

00:55:08.000 There's so much stuff going on in that name, Smith.

00:55:11.000 I like, yeah, and out there is Fields.

00:55:14.000 You know, like it's like there.

00:55:16.000 This whole thing has been sort of beautifully crafted by him.

00:55:19.000 And anyway, so this morning we were having Mabel, my daughter, she was sick in the night, you know.

00:55:24.000 I must say I didn't do excellent.

00:55:26.000 I heard what was going on and I pulled that duvet up nice and tight while my wife was like dealing with puke on the rug and stuff. 1.00

00:55:33.000 Stuff like that. 1.00

00:55:34.000 Anyway, kind of like this morning, Mabel weren't sick no more, but she was not in a good state.

00:55:39.000 And like there was conflict in the household, and I heard her and I said, Come.

00:55:43.000 And she came to where I was praying, you know, where we were hanging out.

00:55:46.000 By the way, you've left a notepad there.

00:55:47.000 I've not even looked at it in case it's like I should look at it.

00:55:49.000 There's a small notepad.

00:55:50.000 Yeah, I won't look at it.

00:55:52.000 I will get it back to you. 0.99

00:55:53.000 Anyway, Russell Brand, psychopath, charlatan. 0.99

00:55:59.000 Wait a minute. 0.98

00:56:00.000 Anyway, so we were up in that.

00:56:02.000 We were up in this place, and we.

00:56:05.000 Like, uh, when I was, you know, obviously it's different when you're talking to a child, and because a child won't know how to communicate to you, they won't know how to, but I was feeling.

00:56:16.000 Like, she was angry about not being able to find an item of clothing, but item of clothing is identity.

00:56:22.000 You know, what is that technicolor?

00:56:23.000 What's that technicolor dream?

00:56:25.000 That technicolor dream coat's got some work to do.

00:56:28.000 Like, you know, and I felt like I was able, just by being with her and by allowing the Lord, like, before she was making her way up, I was like, you handle this, Lord.

00:56:37.000 You handle this.

00:56:39.000 And, like, so in my dealings with her, I didn't get irritated or agitated.

00:56:43.000 And I actually didn't do or say anything that profound.

00:56:46.000 We prayed a little together.

00:56:48.000 And I told her that I, like, I loved her.

00:56:50.000 Her and I loved her exactly.

00:56:51.000 She wasn't as much as I loved her.

00:56:52.000 She was loved even more by God.

00:56:54.000 And I said, You don't need me, by the way, to get that.

00:56:56.000 You have your own access, your own access, not via me to God. 0.94

00:57:02.000 And then we just played and we were just talking about dumb stuff. 0.55

00:57:05.000 And she just wanted to stay there, carrying on doing it. 0.73

00:57:07.000 You know, like all of our parents, they make those errors. 0.99

00:57:10.000 They give us those synecdoche identities that they casually flick on you because, you know, the great poet, the British poet Philip Larkin wrote, They fuck you up, your mum and dad. 0.99

00:57:21.000 They may not mean to, but they do. 1.00

00:57:24.000 They give you all the faults they had and some extra just for you, but they in turn were fucked up to by fools in old style hats and coats. 1.00

00:57:33.000 Identity. 1.00

00:57:36.000 Get out, man hands on misery to man.

00:57:40.000 It deepens like a coastal shelf.

00:57:43.000 Get out as early as you can and don't have any kids yourself.

00:57:46.000 At the end it says Philip Larkin is an atheist. 0.88

00:57:49.000 But the Christian version of that is you can learn how to break those chains.

00:57:54.000 You can learn how to, by receiving your true identity in him.

00:57:57.000 Endow them, endow them.

00:57:59.000 And you're really doing an amazing job of bringing clarity.

00:58:03.000 And one of the other things I'm learning is how to manage this space because, you know, I do have the zeal of the newly converted as a person that came to Christ early, you know.

00:58:14.000 And I wonder how to manage that language, Jamie.

00:58:17.000 I wonder how to, you know, I'm from a country that, you know, I know I'm going to be spending more time in soon where there is a lot of dispute around identity, the identity of the United Kingdom, the role of the Muslim population, the tension. 0.84

00:58:32.000 As people stop believing in God and stop, it seems, believing in anything.

00:58:37.000 Even the whole country has an identity crisis because Great Britain is no longer the imprature of empire.

00:58:45.000 Whoever that was has migrated to US power, whoever's carrying out those counterfeit empire versions of power.

00:58:53.000 And I wonder how you propose we conduct this conversation with a variety of communities that seem to be positioned to, for example, I take the working class British. 0.82

00:59:05.000 And Muslims, there's this idea that they should be in continual conflict, and that's really getting a lot of pace at the moment.

00:59:10.000 How do we do? 0.95

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00:59:36.000 So in those situations, that's really where we kind of learned what we've learned.

00:59:41.000 It was in the Middle East, in those Islamic, Christian, Jewish conflicts.

00:59:48.000 And the only way that we could figure out how to do it was like what I learned as a police officer is when you go into that, into a room with, it was interesting when they put Arab Muslim little kids with Israeli kids in a kindergarten, they made friends immediately and they could begin, they started to develop their own way of communicating back and forth with a mixture of Arabic and Hebrew.

01:00:13.000 They just could figure it out because they connect.

01:00:16.000 That's what they'll do as children, they'll connect.

01:00:19.000 Because they haven't learned yet that you're not allowed to connect with that person.

01:00:23.000 They have to be taught that.

01:00:24.000 So at first they just connect and they're very, and there's all these, it's like amazing how they get along together until about third or fourth grade and then they'll start separating.

01:00:34.000 And when you figure out, like, why were they such good mates, you know, playing on the playground and everything up until third grade, it's because the parents hadn't taught them the fear of the other one yet.

01:00:49.000 They hadn't taught them that yet.

01:00:50.000 Right.

01:00:51.000 And so when they get older, then the parents are like, well, okay, yeah, it's nice to be friends with those kids when they're little.

01:00:55.000 But let me tell you the reality of this you they're our enemies, they're going to hurt you, and they instill fear.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - April 13, 2026

Fear, Identity and the Lies We Live By — SF703

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