Naomi Wolf joins Russell Brand to discuss her new book, Facing the Beast: Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age, and how she went from advising the Clinton campaign and Al Gore to being a very controversial figure, and why it s a cause for celebration that someone like her has emerged from the establishment to challenge the status quo and speak out against it. She also discusses how she became a voice in the anti-establishment space, and her thoughts on how to deal with censorship and the pandemic of anti-Americanism in the post-9/11 era, and the role of the Billiard Ball in understanding the dark matter, which is invisible to us, but can be discernable to those who are able to observe how other particles are affected by it (in the analogy of the billiard ball): "There must be some other ball that is invisible, but nevertheless, there is no doubt that there is some other, undetectable ball." Russell Brand is a writer, thinker, philosopher, and writer-in-chief. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times and the New Republic, and is a frequent contributor to The Huffington Post, The Daily Beast, The Guardian, and The New Republic. He is the author of several books, including Facing The Beast: How to Face the Beast and Courage and Faith and Resistance. and The Dark Matter: A New Dark Aged in a Dark Age. in this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand's new podcast, Stay Free with Russell Brand, hosted by the Awakened Wonder, where he talks about all things anti-authority, freedom, and resistance, and much more. Stay Free in the universe! . Stay free in your local coffee shop, wherever you get your coffee and tea, and don t miss out on the next episode of RUMBLE, coming next week! . . . and stay up to date with all the latest in all things RUMBLING WONDERING WINE and AWAKEDWON'T YOUTUBE, wherever else you can get it! Stay woke! You can find us on social media: , Insta: , and Insta , and Instapreneurs: . , and on Instapod: Instapay to join us on Instafeed? And don t forget to leave us a review!
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00:01:16.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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00:01:22.000Naomi Wolfe, once a darling of the establishment, writer of the seismic and epoch-defining feminist book, The Beauty Myth.
00:01:33.000The reason I mention that is because you can use Naomi Wolfe as a kind of barometer of the changes the culture is experiencing, or rather, the changes that the culture is inflicting On everyone else, because if Naomi Wolf is controversial now, to the point of being de-platformed, I don't know, eight times.
00:01:54.000If Glenn Greenwald, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, is maligned and marginalized.
00:01:58.000If ordinary entertainers, even like, for example, take Jerry Seinfeld, is now sort of controversial, admittedly because of a very particular issue, the conflict in the Middle East and him being a Jewish guy.
00:02:08.000It shows you that the culture is becoming, excuse me, my dog's kicking off over there, The culture is itself becoming like a sort of a cannibalizing and peculiar, corrupted institution that prevents communication, that supports and indeed solicits censorship, that facilitates surveillance, and all of these things are covered in the conversation with Naomi.
00:02:30.000She's here to talk about her book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age.
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00:03:28.000OK, we're going to be with Naomi Wolf now.
00:03:30.000We talk about how she went from advising the Clinton campaign and Al Gore to being a very controversial figure.
00:03:37.000It will make sense to you when you hear her.
00:03:39.000And it will give you some hope, I think, about the possibility of new alliances.
00:03:43.000Because when people emerge out of the establishment and become strong anti-establishment voices, I think that is cause for celebration.
00:03:53.000And it is in itself rather encouraging.
00:03:58.000Hello Naomi, thank you so much for joining me for this conversation on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:04:04.000I'm so happy to be here, thank you for having me.
00:04:07.000Of course we're here to talk about Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age, your new and terrifyingly titled book.
00:04:16.000But firstly, if you'll indulge me, this is the image that came to my mind as I was coming to have this conversation with you.
00:04:25.000They say that when trying to understand dark matter, or even discern its existence, they are able to observe how Other particles presumably affected by it have behaved using the analogy that if all of the billiard balls have scattered across the table in this manner there must be some other billiard ball that is
00:04:53.000invisible to us, undetectable by us, but nevertheless must be there for these
00:04:59.000movements to have happened. And I was wondering if like a journalist like
00:05:03.000Chris Hedges or Glenn Greenwald are no longer regarded as champions of legacy
00:05:11.000media and if a feminist writer, if that's an appropriate title for you, is
00:05:17.000now regarded as a pariah and a comedian and an entertainer like myself has been
00:05:25.000marginalized, what is the invisible billiard ball that What is this blob?
00:05:31.000What is this entity moving through the culture?
00:05:35.000Scattering people that previously would have been darlings of certain aspects of, inverted commas, the liberal establishment.
00:05:45.000What are your thoughts of that phenomena, Naomi?
00:05:51.000And I love the examples you've chosen, Mr. Brand, because Those are really, you know, all very, we all were establishing figures, right?
00:06:02.000We all thought, this is it, you know, we've worked for decades, people know us, we're in the culture, we're part of the culture, we're leaders in the culture, right?
00:06:11.000Thoroughly respected, and then in a matter of really moments, you know, blink of an eye, we're all recategorized into kind of cultural outer darkness.
00:06:21.000Paradoxically, I mean, the universe is pretty funny, and comical because we're probably all having a bigger
00:06:28.000footprint with our audiences now than we did before we were ostracized and sent into outer
00:07:31.000I didn't understand when I was being de-platformed and smeared the role of AI in journalism, but if you are called something, Mr. Brand, around the world, like a conspiracy theorist or discredited, I'm not sure what your New adjectives are, but mine are conspiracy theorists.
00:07:49.000They're only able to do that around the world with AI.
00:07:52.000And so we and we also know that millions and millions of dollars went from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and then the U.S.
00:08:02.000government as well, directly to legacy media to quote overcome vaccine hesitancy.
00:08:08.000And that went to the BBC, millions to the BBC.
00:08:11.000Millions to The Guardian, millions to NPR, The New York Times, and so on.
00:08:16.000So that's some of the invisible billiard ball, in my understanding.
00:08:21.000Yes it's extraordinary that it's in a way as old and almost as hokey as good old-fashioned corporate interest leaning into media outlets a relationship that's evidently native and embedded rather than novel but it's interesting that you mentioned this The period of these twin rising entities, the ability of AI to impose simultaneous censorship and surveillance, and I guess those two ideas are necessarily interlinked, and the period of the pandemic, I feel that
00:09:10.000It's an epochal event in terms of nothing after it is quite the same as before it, even though perhaps in a way nothing especially unique happened during that period, merely the amplification of existing trends.
00:09:26.000Before we move into that catalytic event, I wonder if you might tell us, for those who don't know, a little about something we alluded to in our first Rather grand question that involved dark matter and billiard balls, that you were like a much-fated, adored and admired feminist author that the beauty myth would have been seen at the very vanguard of feminism and might have had you sort of loathed by, you know, what I'm guessing here, sort of like conservative American Republican type figures that might align around ideas that sort of currently define libertarianism.
00:10:06.000That you were an advisor, I understand, to Bill Clinton and Al Gore.
00:10:11.000I mean, you are someone that is at the heart, cherished heart of the establishment, and in a way, a figure of the kind of liberal left that I would have unthinkingly regarded myself as a part of.
00:10:26.000A kind of champagne socialist, albeit a sober one.
00:10:30.000A kind of anti-establishment lefty that's been through Hollywood.
00:10:38.000I wonder if you can talk us through the stations on the cross of going from being an advisor to Al Gore and Bill Clinton to being someone who, you know, like pre-regular your Wikipedia page is updated to ensure no one removes the term conspiracy theorist, which I know appears just above supporter of Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, as if those two figures are somehow like bogeymen of some conspiracy.
00:11:23.000So just for the record, I didn't advise Bill Clinton directly, I advised his campaign, and I did advise Al Gore directly and advised his campaign.
00:11:31.000But you're right, I was, you know, deep in the heart of the establishment.
00:11:36.000That's part of, thank God, that's part of how I understood very early what the establishment was up to with the pandemic.
00:11:45.000Because I know how they operate, and I know that they can do pretty much anything amoral or murderous because their self-regard is so strong.
00:11:58.000Because they can rationalize, because they have so much disrespect for the lives and autonomy of quote-unquote ordinary people.
00:12:15.000I've been known, for those of your audience who may not be familiar with my work, I became a legacy media figure for 35 years after I wrote a book called The Beauty Myth, and all of my books Until recently, it's been about women's issues, and specifically sexual and reproductive health issues for women, as well as civil rights issues for everybody.
00:12:48.000I've covered estrogen levels being too high in birth control pills.
00:12:52.000I've covered anorexia and bulimia, women's health issues.
00:12:54.000So, on one specific day, In June of 2021, I tweeted that women were starting to report, and this is eyewitness, women's eyewitness reports of their own bodies, right?
00:13:09.000Which, that is for a journalist, no better initial source, primary source report from an eyewitness.
00:13:18.000That they were having menstrual dysregulation and sometimes serious menstrual problems upon receiving the mRNA injection.
00:13:24.000So I literally tweeted that that was happening and that it required more investigation.
00:13:29.000Literally what I've been doing for 35 years.
00:13:32.000Overnight, there was this furore in the media, including publications, Mr. Brand, that I've written for for decades.
00:13:49.000And also, overnight, I was deplatformed from all the social media platforms.
00:13:53.000And as I mentioned, my Wikipedia bio changed overnight in a uniform way, as you mentioned, with conspiracy theorists at the top.
00:14:02.000You know, all my honors, Rhodes Scholar, Defill from Oxford, you know, pushed way down.
00:14:08.000And every weird thing anyone had ever said about me was surfaced to the top, making me look like a crazy person.
00:14:16.000And then I just became non-person in the legacy media.
00:14:20.000My editors wouldn't let me, you know, they just ignored me, silenced me, but over and over, impressively, in a way, to me, when I was mentioned, it was as a crazy ghost, you know?
00:14:34.000And meanwhile, I continued to report this story into 2022, 2023, when Under my company's daily cloud and news sites, Aegis, 3,250 scientific and medical volunteers convened to read through the Pfizer documents.
00:14:52.000We broke story after story after story out of 450,000 documents released under court order
00:14:58.000that were internal Pfizer documents, showing that indeed, that first tweet of mine
00:15:04.000was the start of a massive story with catastrophic impacts for humanity.
00:15:10.000In the Pfizer documents, the centerpiece was how to destroy human reproduction.
00:15:14.000And so when the White House de-platformed me, they already knew because Pfizer was giving the FDA
00:15:21.000and the CDC these reports, that Pfizer had made charts, spreadsheets
00:15:27.000of women having, in their trials, in their studies, having horrific menstrual problems, agonizing problems,
00:15:35.000bleeding every day, bleeding twice a month, passing tissue, hemorrhaging.
00:15:39.000Disabling problems by the tens of thousands in each subject line on these charts.
00:15:47.000They knew they were destroying women reproductively and the Pfizer documents show exactly how they destroyed women and men reproductively.
00:15:55.000And now fast forward, predictably, we're looking at a 13 to 20 percent drop in live births in Western Europe and North America.
00:16:08.000We have to stop this conversation here because it's becoming too controversial and it would be, I suppose, prone to the kind of censorship that we know goes on in legacy media spaces.
00:16:19.000And whilst Google once might have been considered an avant-garde plucky outsider, that's hardly the truth now.
00:16:25.000They cut their content in accordance with WHO guidelines, even while the WHO Attempt to supplant democracy in your country.
00:16:33.000You know about that treaty by now, I'm sure.
00:16:34.000So click the link in the description to see the answer to that question.
00:16:41.000The immigration bit is going to blow your mind.
00:16:45.000Yes, that is why you got silenced, because what you were doing was providing empirical evidence and credible journalism in an area where if credible journalism and empirical evidence are extracted, what remains sounds like, forgive the word, hysterical conspiratorial conjecture.
00:17:07.000And it's because I, you know, I, because of the kind of spaces that I occupy, I'm aware of the, you know, this is about population control.
00:17:21.000These kind of ideas exist in, um, You know, I'm sure you're aware in online spaces, sometimes adjacent to, not theories necessarily, hypotheses and notions that are kind of a little unappealing and unattractive.
00:17:39.000So the more we have people that are able to, by doing what they've always done, demonstrate that something Curious took place around 2019 and the subsequent years.
00:17:53.000I'm fascinated to learn that, of course, what you've always done is taken first-person accounts from women about their health, the impact that the culture and social conditioning and sociology and unchallenged assumptions have on female identity and female physical and mental wellness.
00:18:12.000Then you continue to do that and just say, oh wow, this product, you know, but suddenly what it makes me question is what role were you playing either unconsciously or certainly without knowing?
00:19:38.000Cultural spaces shifted significantly around feminism particularly mostly I suppose in relation to ideas around gender and in particular transgender ideas and your style of journalism in particular as a result of what you've explained became untenable and verboten and What does that suggest to you?
00:20:03.000Does it make you question the value of the work you were doing up to that point?
00:20:06.000Does it make you question the credibility of the work you were doing up to that point?
00:20:11.000One of my mates once said, sorry for going on, one of my mates once said, you know, you see a billboard of yourself on Sunset Boulevard and you think you're a real big shot, but that's just a side effect of someone else making money out of you.
00:20:24.000And also I sometimes think when figures emerge, whether it's Steven Pinker or Yuval Noah Harari, these fated intellectuals, I now get the sense that there is some sort of, if not shadowy committee, some blob, some force, that's like, that intellectual's useful.
00:20:40.000Those ideas, push those ideas around materialism, push those ideas around atheism, or whatever it happens to be.
00:20:46.000So I just wonder if you have a feeling about how you were utilised prior to banishment, if we can use those terms.
00:20:55.000Yeah, well, you're going right to causes, Mr. Branch, and I think you're right.
00:21:01.000I don't question the value of the work I did, because I think part of why I had to be taken off the chessboard, and by the way, the kind of trying to get The chessboard actually predated the pandemic to 2019, but it was predictable.
00:21:19.000If there's going to be a massive assault on the human species' ability to reproduce, who is going to reliably and credibly speak out against it or break the news to people?
00:21:31.000You know, it's a handful of people at the platform that I had, and so if you were planning this rollout, and we know that with event 21-201, I think it was planned, you know, I will take me off the chessboard in that case, as well as other people who might be willing to raise the alarm.
00:21:47.000But let me speak to your question, such a good one, about the production culture.
00:21:51.000I And also, I want to say, I didn't want to believe it was a depopulation effort.
00:22:01.000But being a political consultant in the past led me to reason backward with evidence.
00:22:06.000And your initial analogy about the bowling balls is a really good one.
00:22:09.000Political consultants know that history is manufactured.
00:22:13.000Right, you're in the rooms in which plans are made to tell a story, to get a population to believe a thing that will then allow them to act en masse or allow action to be done to them.
00:22:26.000So as a result of having been in those rooms, I do look at history or current events and think who benefits Where's the, you know, where's the money going?
00:22:36.000And then I reasoned backward to who put that in place.
00:22:40.000And that's a very good way to figure out what's going on.
00:22:43.000Because you know that the stories are usually manufactured.
00:22:46.000And that's why the term conspiracy theorist is such a red herring and such a kind of toxic term.
00:22:52.000Because I've been in the rooms where the pinnacles of power deploy themselves in the population.
00:23:00.000And literally, it is a conspiracy, you know, every time, in the sense that it's powerful people getting together with no press release, often with no paper trail at all.
00:23:10.000It's very important not to have a paper trail in many of these meetings, because you don't want to be subpoenaed.
00:23:45.000And when the evidence confirms your hypothesis, then it's confirmed.
00:23:50.000Otherwise, we're being kind of gaslit into never having a hypothesis or never reasoning backwards from events.
00:23:56.000All right, leaving that aside, I do now agree and believe that a lot of culture is manufactured.
00:24:04.000And I do agree with you that you and I were probably kind of allowed to surface in the ways that we did.
00:24:14.000I wouldn't say necessarily for nefarious—well, yeah, for kind of big-picture chessboard reasons of which we were unaware, the same way we were taken down or, you know, the attempts were made to take us down in a way beyond normal criticism, right?
00:24:31.000Let's face it, like there were, you know, highly sophisticated deployments of opinion in social media and commentators in both of our cases trying to discredit us.
00:24:45.000I think that in my case, my work happened to fit a big picture attack on the family
00:24:55.000and kind of fetishization of female autonomy and kind of critique of femininity, right?
00:25:07.000Traditional femininity that played into the hands of these kind of invisible globalists
00:25:13.000whose final kind of effort to destroy the family, destroy love, destroy sexuality, destroy
00:25:20.000seduction, destroy women in particular, has reached its fruition.
00:26:02.000But in retrospect, there was a lot that was probably not organic about that because I think these people needed a face for For versions of feminism that then became horribly monstrosized.
00:26:18.000I didn't do it, but I probably inadvertently set the stage for it.
00:26:22.000Which is what we've got now, where young women think it's selfish to have babies, or that it's objectifying themselves to wear a dress, or that they should never be nice to men because that's serving the patriarchy.
00:26:35.000And now, you know, we've got this catastrophic drop.
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00:28:42.000It was in also as well, there were kind of preemptive moments, Naomi,
00:28:47.000where I sensed the culture was toxic in the places that most claimed to be pure.
00:28:56.000When I, you know, in the new ecclesiastical models, in the new media church, and ultimately I could only be heading towards that most Pious of organisations here, The Guardian, because I remember when I first sort of spoke out about politics, which was so sort of, I don't know, vernacular and casual.
00:29:18.000I went on Jeremy Paxman's show Newsnight, which is a sort of a UK version of 60 Minutes
00:29:25.000or something with a hard-hitting journalist who kind of defined the space in this country
00:30:11.000But what I subsequently noted is that in It was organizations that you would regard as liberal that were the most ferocious, that were the most cruel, that were the most threatened, and it's revealing, it's revealing that you perform a function in the culture when you are not useful for that function anymore, you have to be dispensed with.
00:30:39.000What's particularly interesting about your journey is in a sense you're You were always doing the same thing but somehow the wind changed and you were a different role was required.
00:30:51.000I've heard it said before that the motivating idea behind many of these cultural movements
00:30:59.000is a kind of, gosh, is a kind of a god slayer mentality that at its heart wants to remove
00:31:08.000all possibility of a universal principle and to place self, self, the most sort of, the
00:31:17.000ugly incarnation of what self might be in a kind of deified role, practically a deity
00:31:23.000in so much as it ordains reality and there is no principle to countenance or obstruct
00:31:30.000or overrule the idea that what you want, i.e.
00:31:33.000the expression of your petty and trivial selfish desires, ought never be met with, diluted by, challenged by, or limited by ideas like community, grace, kindness, beauty, love, sacrifice.
00:31:49.000All these ideas are just cast out and instead of them this, I have to say, rather demonic idea of self-fulfillment and I can see why I as a sort of
00:31:58.000the little addict that I you know to some degree still am but God knows I'm working on it
00:32:03.000like as a sort of a great Aurea Boris of consuming would be a useful celebrity let's
00:32:11.000say in the way that perhaps some of your brilliant writing was temporarily useful. If I
00:32:15.000can say for a moment one of the things I liked while looking at Wikipedia and having to
00:32:16.000If I can say for a moment, one of the things I liked while looking at Wikipedia and having
00:32:20.000scan through the bits where it says you're a conspiracy theorist and not to be trusted I like
00:32:20.000to scan through the bits where it says you're a conspiracy theorist and not to be trusted,
00:32:24.000I like it that you once spoke out about some of those ISIS beheading videos and the quote
00:32:25.000it that you once or spoke out about some of those ISIS beheading videos and like the quote that's you
00:32:31.000know in all fairness given on the Wikipedia page suggests that you were applying a level of
00:32:31.000that's, in all fairness given, on the Wikipedia page suggests that you were applying a level
00:32:36.000of journalistic integrity that remains important and necessary.
00:32:42.000Are you aware of the quote I'm talking about, Naomi, and the story that I'm talking about?
00:32:49.000I am, but I can't confirm anything that Wikipedia quotes because, you know, it's so long ago and a lot of it doesn't sound like me.
00:33:00.000But anyway, what I did say, and I'll stick to it, is that those ISIS beheading videos were simply not verified.
00:33:09.000I was saying they were from a single source.
00:33:11.000And I'm an old-fashioned journalist who was trained that if it's just one source, and it's not a confirmed source, it's not fact yet.
00:33:19.000You need two confirmed sources for something to go on the record journalistically.
00:33:26.000That's really important, as it turns out that I recognized that drumbeat at that time as we've got to invade Syria, we've got to invade Syria, we've got to invade Syria, the Western powers have to, and there were all these atrocity stories, true or not true, we didn't know, and then it turns out that most of them came from One source, which turned out to be a corrupted source with ties to the intelligence agency.
00:33:52.000Of course, no one ever goes back and adds to Wikipedia, you know, and Naomi was right to make sure that these sources were confirmed before we sent soldiers to fight dirty wars, you know, dirty undeclared wars.
00:34:09.000They sent soldiers to fight dirty undeclared wars and people got killed in Syria.
00:34:13.000But always, especially knowing the history.
00:34:17.000I mean, I have a really good education, you know, thank God.
00:34:20.000And over and over again, when people, when Rich people want to make money off of conflict.
00:34:27.000They will drum up atrocity stories to get governments to go along, to get populations to be fired up with war fever.
00:34:36.000You know, World War I, World War II, the Crimean War.
00:34:39.000I mean, you can go back to as far back as there's been kind of modern media or modernism, and you see these This wave of atrocity stories preceding, okay, fine, we'll go to war, we'll send our usually working class or, you know, lower middle class sons, more recently sons and daughters, to fight and die for Richmond's dirty wars where people make lots of money or other interests are served.
00:35:05.000So that's just always what I was warning people, you know, and you've got that with the Yellow Cake story with going, You know, going into Iraq, going into Afghanistan, you've got this pattern over and over and over, and people really need to be sophisticated readers of media now, which is what I was trying to teach them to be, to understand that you need to question the sourcing for every shock horror story you're being told by the government, by the media, because if you don't have two good sources,
00:35:40.000And the last three or four years, Mr. Brand, of the pandemic are such a great example of that.
00:35:47.000All these horrifying, terrifying stories turned out to be predicated on lies and nonsense.
00:35:53.000And if people had raised more questions earlier about the sourcing or things like the COVID map that the Office of National Statistics in Britain was showing on every major news site in England to drive people into lockdowns and, you know, not seeing their neighbors, not having a cup of tea with their neighbors in their garden, businesses closing, you know, forced, coerced injections, essentially, that are now killing and sterilizing and disabling British people.
00:36:21.000Um, you know, if they'd asked the questions I asked at the Office of National Statistics, where can we see the data sets?
00:36:48.000And no one in Britain realized it at the time, and the media was completely conflicted.
00:36:53.000Yes, it's astonishing that even when reporting on or inquiring about something as evidently barbaric as the beheading of service personnel or embassy workers or whoever it was, that it's worth inquiring as to where the information has
00:37:13.000come from and in the case that we were referring to is coming from an organization
00:37:18.000called CITE which as you said is government funded and now it's commonly understood that
00:37:28.000numerous apparently independent organizations receive funding from CIA cutouts and then
00:37:34.000state funded organizations like the BBC as you said received significant funding from groups
00:37:42.000who had an interest at least in propagating and popularizing COVID injection or mRNA
00:37:51.000injection uptake and because of, I I wonder what I feel and in a sense I'm referring back to my earlier question about what is this invisible force that is moving in the culture.
00:38:03.000Partly what I sense we are tackling Naomi is that in our hands now we have the ability to communicate and challenge assumptions so quickly and so effectively through social media and
00:38:20.000particularly how independent media and independent journalism might deploy that technology and
00:38:26.000what might be implicit politically from that, the kind of political movements and social
00:38:32.000movements that might be born of the type of consensus and type of clarity, transparency and
00:38:41.000We are seeing, but it is disguising itself, the real-time opposition and attempt to constrict,
00:38:50.000control and And break down what would otherwise be, it seems to me at least, a momentum towards decentralization, more liberty, greater communication, transparency, clarity, ability for self-governance, ability for demonopolization, immediate intercommunication, new alliances.
00:39:15.000As that potential is felt, what we're witnessing is the creation of new categories like misinformation, malinformation, disinformation, manufacture of surveillance, legitimization of different types of social credit score, and citizen management techniques, and I would say kind of smoke bombs continually being dropped in the culture that
00:39:40.000might mean that when any two human beings meet, they enter into that pact or that what
00:39:47.000could be a good faith interaction with loaded with "Oh, I wonder what this person thinks
00:39:53.000about trans issues. I wonder what they think about racial issues. Is this person an opponent of
00:39:58.000mine?" They're sort of creating of an insidious mistrust at the most basic social level. I
00:40:06.000guess that wasn't a question, that was an announcement.
00:40:17.000I suppose what we could pursue is that when you talked about the legitimisation of war, we are, I think, seeing now with both the Ukraine-Russia conflict and escalating events in the Middle East, the potential for dissent and the difficulty in creating a sense of broad domestic uh support for those kind of conflicts um do do you think
00:40:41.000that do you agree with that assessment do you think it's becoming harder for america to be
00:40:46.000involved in wars that that um don't directly affect american people um well there's definitely a i mean
00:40:55.000first of all i want to say i agree with you that there's a systematic effort um because of the
00:40:56.000I mean, first of all, I want to say I agree with you that there's a systematic effort
00:41:01.000because of the implications of the internet and other forms of communication
00:41:03.000implications of the internet and other forms of communication in allowing us to be empowered with
00:41:07.000in allowing us to be empowered with knowledge from a grassroots level up and create new institutions
00:41:37.000And the race is toward, as you say, central bank digital currency, social credit scores, you know, hate speech laws in Ireland, in France, you know, Britain, the cradle of free speech, the cradle of democracy.
00:41:56.000Having shocking restrictions on speech, I'm actually due to either appear or be live-streamed on June 11th at one of your courts because Ofcom, your media watchdog, has taken action against Mark Stein.
00:42:12.000A commentator whose show appeared in Britain on GBTV, as I understand, because I had told Mark Stein about what was in the Pfizer documents.
00:42:21.000And so Britain got to hear about the reproductive damage in the Pfizer documents, all cracked down on him and his show.
00:42:29.000And, you know, this is, this is Britain.
00:42:31.000And we didn't, in the complaint, it doesn't say Dr. Wolf said anything that wasn't true.
00:42:37.000It said what she said could cause distress and offense.
00:42:41.000So that's the state of free speech in Britain right now.
00:42:44.000You know, you have to defend it in a court of law against the government, essentially.
00:42:48.000But having said all of that, There is an effort to divide us for sure.
00:42:55.000And so to the United States and the effort to get the U.S.
00:42:59.000to support war, people are seeing, these things are all related, people are seeing in Western Europe and in the United States the impact of the globalist effort to shatter our cultures with mass illegal immigration.
00:43:14.000From many places around the world that don't have a memory or a history of democracy, women's equality, and civil rights.
00:43:23.000And I am the daughter of an immigrant, granddaughter of immigrants.
00:43:44.000And so, and you can't have a culture if the people are coming in from so many different places so quickly that they can't get acculturated to what it means to be American or what it means to be British or what it means to be French.
00:43:56.000And that is, again, not a racist thing to say.
00:44:01.000And Western cultures are also precious.
00:44:04.000I'm not saying they're, you know, better in every way than every other culture, but Liberty, democracy, human rights, these took centuries to develop as a social consensus in the West, and intentionally the globalists are flooding my country and your country with people from Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, no history or memory of democracy, and these injections are killing and disabling the people who do have those memories so that, as Ed Dowd says,
00:44:35.000You know, who's bringing forth these data sets of people being disabled and dying, wait five years, and you're going to have a completely different demographic with a different institutional memory in Western Europe and North America, in which the globalists can just roll out their neo-feudalism because the people who remember democracy, freedom of speech, human rights, women's rights, equality, accountability, transparency, will be gone or too sick to fight.
00:45:03.000All right, so in America what this goes to is nationalism, right?
00:45:10.000We've been taught, especially people like you and me who've lived on the adorable left, we've been taught that nationalism is a dirty word and that you shouldn't love your country and you shouldn't say, you know, being British is great or being American is great.
00:46:39.000And I think that's happening in Western Europe as well.
00:46:41.000And it's the rise of the right wing parties.
00:46:45.000But if the alternative to the right-wing parties is kind of the EU suspending all of your autonomy and rights as subject peoples with no accountability, which it turns out is what the EU is all about, unelected Diplomats deciding what happens in your country, and you get no say in your community, no say, no real democracy at all.
00:47:11.000I'm not surprised that right-wing nationalist entities are rising up, and a lot of them are making a lot of sense.
00:47:18.000It's fascinating and terrifying what you were saying and when earlier on you indicated that you would with your own journalism work backwards to try to calculate what the various motivations might be and who benefits from certain policies or ideas and I feel that When we what we're discussing is control and the ability to manage citizens creating various areas of potential discourse that you cannot discuss is a very useful way along with the category of conspiracy theorist of preventing even speculation
00:48:04.000on a subject as potentially explosive as that which you have just outlined, which is a controversial
00:48:11.000subject on online spaces, replacement theory, and yet further to observe that these are
00:48:17.000mostly males, which is something that people have commonly observed about immigration.
00:48:22.000And I suppose the more neutral, shall we say, if you can even use a word like neutral now,
00:48:29.000a take on that would be, well, those are the people that would come looking for opportunities
00:48:40.000No, it's... A bit, but like, you're so interesting.
00:48:42.000I'd rather, like, it's not often I say that I'd rather listen to you than myself, but I'll say it today, I would rather listen to you, but just let me finish the thought, but please pick up on that, that what I've just said is inaccurate in terms of, oh, the assumption will be an economic or social economic one.
00:48:58.000That not being able to talk about immigration and culture and nationalism and whether there's another version of nationalism.
00:49:04.000At the time of Brexit, a friend of mine whose opinion I really value, the filmmaker Adam Curtis, said, you know, why was there never a, inverted commas, left-wing take on Brexit?
00:49:15.000Why was it only regarded as a nationalistic issue and a racist and immigration,
00:49:20.000rather than what's plainly emotionally taking place is a sense that we are not in control,
00:49:27.000that there's a professional metropolitan class that don't care about ordinary people,
00:49:31.000that talk about them disparagingly, that are always looking for opportunities to vilify them
00:49:35.000while creating policies that directly affect them, that are not taking into account the economic impact
00:49:41.000of, for example, and most obviously, immigration.
00:49:44.000So I'm interested also in the idea that as the various sort of members
00:49:51.000of what would have once been the intelligentsia, glitterati, or whatever category I once belonged to,
00:49:56.000are sort of bumped off by the sort of the cancelling and deplatforming culture.
00:50:01.000There's this potential new consensus that might say, you know, the unthinkable, unsayable heresy that, wow, if you are interested in democracy, maybe you have an obligation to vote for Trump rather than Biden because this sort of banalizing, bureaucratic, Huxley-esque, nightmarish, aggregating, accumulating control in order to protect you for your safety and convenience vision of politics is more terrifying than the rather Sort of caricatured 20th century atavism of a strongman.
00:50:37.000That's not so fucking frightening as what's being proposed and what's being moved towards.
00:50:42.000So I wonder if you could pick up on my misconception and mischaracterisation of the nature of this immigration around gender and working age and unpack some of that other stuff.
00:50:52.000Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that you're wrong.
00:50:55.000I was saying people who say, oh, it's normal to have military-age men with military haircuts, whose clothing all seems to come from the same place, who all have the physique of soldiers, pour into your country and mine.
00:51:31.000Or, like my grandpa, they wait six years and work.
00:51:35.000To bring their families in legally so that they can be Americans or British or, you know, whatever it is they want to be.
00:51:43.000They, you know, if you look at people pouring in, I'll stick to my country because I haven't looked at the streams of immigrants into Britain or Western Europe as carefully, but in our country, the people who are flowing in, there are no disabled people.
00:51:57.000There are no elders, like none, right?
00:52:10.000They are having, and I did original reporting on this and wrote this story, there's a three-country staging area south of the United States that the combination of the UN and our own State Department has put together to solicit support Feed, shepherd, ferry, transition, and then bus and fly these millions of people of military age and military demeanor to certain incredibly sensitive areas around the country
00:52:44.000O'Hare Airport in Chicago, Boston Logan in Boston, and then to house them, which has never happened before in the history of U.S.
00:52:54.000Not my grandparents, not my dad, never did the government give anyone from anywhere, let alone descendants of enslaved people in our country, free group housing in barracks-type accommodations.
00:53:06.000And that's what you're seeing in the United States.
00:53:08.000And again, my husband is a former military intelligence, and he points out that these newcomers march in cadence, and they stand at parade rest, and there seems to be, like, officers from whom they're taking direction, if you analyze the videos of people coming in.
00:53:29.000So, it's incredibly concerning because if it's the UN doing it, which it is, and the State Department, then what you've got is, again, reasoning backward.
00:53:40.000Reasoning backward it looks like an invasion, right?
00:53:43.000Reasoning backward is like, look at what happened on October 7th.
00:53:46.000And please let me know if our video and audio are fine because you're not moving.
00:53:51.000But what happened on October 7th in Britain is that the southern border of Israel... I'm sorry, let me say it again.
00:53:59.000What happened on October 7th in Israel is that a handful of terrorists Crossed the southern border and brought a whole country to its knees, changed the outcome of Middle East history, took hostages in a heartbeat, and the ripple effects provoked a terrible, terrible loss of life in Gaza.
00:54:21.000And there's conflict in the area again.
00:54:24.000Well, imagine what could happen in Britain or in America in a heartbeat if, you know, of these 19 million people, 12 to 19 million people, if a handful are terrorists or a handful are military.
00:54:40.000Carroll, my husband Brian O'Shea's co-host for his podcast about this, is a former border agent.
00:54:46.000He said that terrorist-aligned individuals who used to be interrogated by the FBI and deported
00:54:53.000are just being waved through and strategically positioned around the country.
00:54:57.000Well, at a signal, these people could create a mass hostage situation
00:55:01.000that could bring America to its knees, or Britain to its knees.
00:55:05.000So it's a catastrophic national security threat.
00:55:09.000And I've been to countries where there's militias and cartels and no rule of law.
00:55:16.000And that's what we're seeing in America right now.
00:55:18.000The police are being told to stand down.
00:55:21.000The newcomers are being encouraged to become police.
00:55:24.000They're being encouraged to become healthcare workers.
00:55:27.000And so what you're getting is what we do in other countries, which is the creation of a A class of people who have no allegiance to the United States, who are not citizens, who broke the law to get here, who are being promoted and empowered above the level of Americans, given arms, given authority, who are basically creating a fifth column from within, you know, bit by bit by bit, to subjugate our country.
00:55:52.000We're going to be hard to subjugate because we're armed, but Britain and Western Europe are not going to be hard to subjugate.
00:55:58.000Because you don't have arms, you don't even have representational democracy.
00:56:05.000That was, I suppose, while you were unpacking that terrifying theory, I sort of felt myself caught up by a realization that I had had previously during the pandemic period, that the driving idea behind the pandemic already had a simple moral problem built into it in so much as we were invited to lock down our whole countries to take this medication because why why because life is sacred because we love one another and we care about one another and we must protect people and i remember thinking
00:57:03.000And similarly, with regard to the arguments for not even questioning or discussing immigration, The idea is human life is sacred we have to protect people and particularly for like you know as we've returned to many times over the course of our conversation the former denizens of liberal spaces we would think well you know America because of their imperialist misadventure across the world my country because of its history of invading and devastating and pillaging
00:57:35.000Nations across the world, we have an obligation and a duty to support the ravaged lands and displaced people harmed by, you know, not our personal, but by our nation's historic abuses of those territories.
00:57:50.000And yet, of course, We seldom see in the way our democracies, is the word I'll use I suppose for now, are run, that the type of compassion being invited, demanded, summonsed, used to shut down and censor and control conversation in both the pandemic period and with regard to this issue, which I know is a very contentious one that we're discussing now, the reason to not talk about it is because you don't talk about that, you bloody racist, you know, it's like it's...
00:58:21.000Yes, and I don't see that kind of compassion elsewhere.
00:58:24.000I don't see it when, you know, even now while there are trials in the United Kingdom around, for example, AstraZeneca and other sort of vaccine injuries, the legal costs are being funded by the taxpayer, any payouts will be funded by the taxpayer, the development of the vaccines similarly, it It just feels like a racket, Naomi, and discussing the racket has to be censored because otherwise people would start realising it's a racket.
00:58:57.000Yeah, I mean, you've said things that are really important.
00:59:01.000There's, and again, AI can really do this now at a scale beyond human beings, but why do we have a sense, if we're polite people in liberal circles, that you cannot talk about immigration?
00:59:13.000And I've spent many years in Europe and in Britain, especially, and I remember getting into horrible fights when Brexit was being discussed because I had, with my British friends, I was a graduate student in Britain because
00:59:29.000I had looked for the digital database of EU laws, as well as British law, and I found that it's very hard to know what the laws are in Britain, or how to affect bills that are being debated to become law, or even find them in the past, right?
00:59:49.000And in the EU, it's literally impossible.
00:59:52.000You literally cannot find what's being presented for debate in the European Union Parliament,
01:00:22.000It's not quite as much of a sham as in Europe, but it is difficult.
01:00:26.000And I remember having horrible fights with some of my favorite people and really being called a racist because I was warning if you Stay in the EU, you won't have any ability.
01:01:17.000But what was clear to me, even when it looked so good, is that this, once I found out about the legislative non-existence process, is that they could pull a string and it would all collapse in absolute tyranny on the people of Europe.
01:01:57.000And so where I was going with this is...
01:01:59.000Give them kind of taboo areas, right, around the issue of immigration or other things you're not supposed to discuss, like raising questions about the injection.
01:02:09.000That's what people have to get in the habit of looking for.
01:02:45.000Well Naomi, it seems somewhat impertinent to ask what the reasoning is behind the title of your book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age, which prior to talking to you, I wondered if it might be Cassandra-ish, hyperbolic, but having spoken to you for an hour, It's pretty clear what we're discussing and it's also clear what's required in order to oppose it.
01:03:11.000I'm very excited to receive and read your book.
01:03:15.000There's a link in the description if you want to order a copy of it and yeah, I'll be reading it.
01:03:21.000Naomi, it's been so fascinating to speak with you.
01:03:23.000I found it really, really rather gripping and exciting.
01:03:32.000I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Naomi Wolf.
01:03:34.000Remember, you can get her new book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age by clicking the link that we're posting now in the chat.
01:03:42.000I'm excited to read it myself, as I think I made pretty clear.
01:03:45.000Next week, we've got some incredibly special shows coming up.
01:03:50.000Monday, we are talking about the march to global war.
01:04:02.000We talked about that a lot with Naomi just now, didn't we?
01:04:04.000Yesterday's conspiracy is today's news.
01:04:06.000Think about the number of times during the pandemic period and around subjects such as war and censorship, you've been told, that's a conspiracy theory, you're nuts, you're out of your mind.
01:04:14.000We now know that generating fear and self-censorship in those areas is one way of controlling the conversation.
01:04:21.000And on Friday's show, we'll be talking about the deep state.
01:04:24.000Part of that will be formed with a conversation with Mike Benz that you're gonna Absolutely love, and the reason there's only three shows next week is I'm taking some time off to prepare for Russell in residence at Rumble.
01:04:35.000We'll be talking to Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO of Rumble, and a lot more guests in that space, and a lot more guests in that state, if you know what I mean.
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01:04:47.000Remember, we've got an amazing video on CERN and some of the conspiracy theories around it, as well as the quite complex facts of what they're actually doing there explicitly.
01:04:54.000Not to say that they're not trying to open a hell mouth.