Stay Free - Russel Brand - Fighting the Devil and Winning – Bas Rutten on Faith, Demons, and Discipline - SF611

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand and Russell controversial conspiracy theorist trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Prand.

00:00:20.000 I have to have a nurse at all times now.

00:00:23.000 I am not a well man.

00:00:25.000 Thank you, Nurse Nikki.

00:00:26.000 Nurse, the screens for the first 15 minutes will be available on X and YouTube.

00:00:32.000 Ultimately, we want you to join us on Rumble and Rumble Premium for, frankly, an unbelievable conversation with my beloved friend, Bas Rutten.

00:00:43.000 Bas Rutten, as you know, is a great mixed martial artist, entrepreneur, and actor.

00:00:49.000 He was the first ever Rogan guest to take Joe Rogan over a million views.

00:00:55.000 What I thought I was dealing with when chatting to Bas Rutten is a kind of raw primordial force that could be directed towards any number of things, like a sort of a Niagara of energy that if it was able to flow towards chaos, it would.

00:01:11.000 And if directed through the Heavenly Father and Lord, it would create all sorts of positive things.

00:01:15.000 We talked to him about his O2 product, which is a device that helps you to breathe more deeply and better.

00:01:21.000 We talk about martial arts, entrepreneurialism, and faith.

00:01:23.000 It's a fantastic conversation.

00:01:25.000 Thanks so much for joining us.

00:01:26.000 Without further dilly-dallying, here is my conversation with Bass Rutten.

00:01:34.000 Bas, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:01:37.000 You're very welcome.

00:01:38.000 Looking forward to this.

00:01:39.000 Yeah.

00:01:40.000 One of the things that made me most excited to talk to you was that, in a sense, you midwifed Joe Rogan over the million mark, as well as being a Catholic, as well as being, it sounds like sort of inventor and innovator, early UFC warrior.

00:01:58.000 But I'd like to start off firstly, of course, by extending my gratitude to you for joining us today and asking you about how you came to Christ.

00:02:10.000 Oh, well, I was baptized, you know, named after a badass saint, Saint Sebastian, the guy who got martyred twice.

00:02:18.000 But then when we were 12, around that age, I think my mom and dad, they didn't believe anymore.

00:02:23.000 I saw a book where, you know, one cell and that turned into everything.

00:02:27.000 And I guess that was it.

00:02:29.000 And we didn't go to church anymore.

00:02:30.000 So then many years later, after living a crazy life, non-Catholic life, I was with my buddy in the movie set.

00:02:37.000 Well, first of all, things started happening to me.

00:02:39.000 I got to go in that first.

00:02:41.000 So let me tell the whole thing.

00:02:42.000 So I took a lot of medication as a kid.

00:02:46.000 I was very sick as a kid.

00:02:47.000 Had rheumatic fever, spent four months in the hospital, had a leaking heart fault, just had an ablation done because of that.

00:02:52.000 Like this whole thing, horrible skin disease.

00:02:55.000 That was the leper in school. 0.86

00:02:56.000 Severe asthma attacks, like every five weeks, a week in bed, not able to eat, have to do everything in bed.

00:03:01.000 So it was a really tough life.

00:03:03.000 And I took a lot of medication and I forgot a lot of things.

00:03:06.000 But there's this one thing that always stuck out.

00:03:09.000 And it was me looking at a tree in the classroom.

00:03:11.000 I was 10 years old.

00:03:12.000 I can literally, I can smell the room.

00:03:14.000 I can be there.

00:03:14.000 It was so vivid.

00:03:15.000 It was crazy.

00:03:16.000 And the teacher tried to get a hold of me.

00:03:18.000 And I know he was.

00:03:19.000 And I heard the kids laughing.

00:03:20.000 And suddenly he got angry.

00:03:22.000 And he says, what are you doing?

00:03:23.000 I said, I'm looking at the tree.

00:03:24.000 And he goes, what about the tree?

00:03:25.000 I said, how did it get there? 1.00

00:03:27.000 And he said, well, they planted it there, idiot. 1.00

00:03:30.000 And I go, yeah, I understand that. 1.00

00:03:31.000 But if you go to the tree before and the tree before, you go all the way back.

00:03:34.000 Where do trees come from?

00:03:36.000 And he just thought that was crazy.

00:03:38.000 But that always stuck with me for somehow.

00:03:40.000 I don't know why.

00:03:41.000 Then I get this crazy life.

00:03:43.000 Then I started drinking after I retired fighting, start doing drugs.

00:03:47.000 You know, you try to replace that feeling, I guess, you know, from fighting in front of 15, 16,000 people with something else, which for me was drugs and alcohol. 0.99

00:03:56.000 And although I'm always a happy guy dancing with the kids and doing funny things, it's still stupid. 0.98

00:04:00.000 You know, I'm not a real man. 0.99

00:04:01.000 I'm not a real husband.

00:04:02.000 I'm not a real father.

00:04:04.000 But at that time, I started getting attacked by a demon in the house.

00:04:08.000 And it was very freaking scary.

00:04:10.000 Some people say, oh, sleeper illnesses.

00:04:12.000 Well, sleeper ultis, you're paralyzed.

00:04:14.000 I wasn't.

00:04:15.000 I could move my arms.

00:04:16.000 I could move my legs, but there was something sitting on my chest, it felt like something super heavy and pushing and pushing.

00:04:23.000 And I tried to get it off of me with my arms, but it was almost like it was sitting here.

00:04:28.000 So I couldn't really go around.

00:04:29.000 Tried to throw my legs out of bed, tried to pull myself out, couldn't move it.

00:04:33.000 The only way to get out of it was to just get mentally super aggressive.

00:04:36.000 And then I would just shout a lot of profanity at the time.

00:04:39.000 And my wife would wake up. 1.00

00:04:40.000 And again, I go, yeah, again.

00:04:42.000 And I start challenging this ghost, whatever it was.

00:04:44.000 I wanted to fight it.

00:04:45.000 I said, well, don't wait till I'm asleep.

00:04:47.000 You know, let's do it right now if you're so tough.

00:04:50.000 So that kept going on.

00:04:51.000 It happened like five times.

00:04:52.000 One time I came home with the family.

00:04:55.000 I just drove.

00:04:56.000 I wasn't drinking.

00:04:58.000 I just stepped into the house and I felt there was somebody in the house.

00:05:01.000 And I grabbed my phone, one of these old Star Tech phones, on 911.

00:05:05.000 I doubt.

00:05:06.000 I gave it to my wife.

00:05:06.000 I said, if you hear something, call.

00:05:08.000 I said, but don't worry.

00:05:08.000 I know where all the weapons are.

00:05:10.000 And I thought this guy was in the house and he was in the dining room area.

00:05:14.000 There was a wall, dining room area here.

00:05:17.000 And here was the open kitchen, which led in the back to the dining area as well.

00:05:21.000 Now, in front of, there was a door from the dining area to the kitchen.

00:05:26.000 And we had a really thick curtain hanging there instead of a door.

00:05:29.000 And I thought that person was there.

00:05:31.000 So I start making a lot of noise here.

00:05:33.000 Hopefully he would do this.

00:05:34.000 And then I make a U-turn.

00:05:35.000 Or he comes to me.

00:05:36.000 I make a U-turn and I'm going to grab the guy.

00:05:38.000 So I come running around the corner and the curtain flies up against the ceiling.

00:05:43.000 So I kept running because somebody just ran through it.

00:05:46.000 But there was nothing in the house.

00:05:48.000 And that was really like, okay, that just happened.

00:05:50.000 And it wasn't moving.

00:05:51.000 It flew up against the ceiling.

00:05:54.000 Okay, so now I started challenging that thing.

00:05:56.000 I don't know why I did or knew at 3 a.m. was the time when the demonic activity is at this highest, right?

00:06:02.000 3 p.m.

00:06:02.000 Jesus passed away, 3 a.m.

00:06:05.000 But I did.

00:06:05.000 At 3 a.m. in the dining room, under the chandelier, because it was always cold there.

00:06:10.000 It was a really weird place.

00:06:12.000 And I started just challenging it, challenging it.

00:06:14.000 Let's do this and bring it down to my level, you know, and let's see if we can fight this out.

00:06:18.000 And then it stopped.

00:06:19.000 But then I was still drinking, so I decided to take another fight after seven years of not competing. 0.99

00:06:24.000 My wife says, you're crazy.

00:06:25.000 I go, no, I take the fight because there's no way I can drink and trade. 0.72

00:06:29.000 So this is Going to stop me from drinking.

00:06:31.000 And it worked out, everything was good.

00:06:32.000 We made the money.

00:06:33.000 We went to a different house with the pool.

00:06:35.000 And there, the first night, when we, in the morning, I asked my kids how the first night was.

00:06:42.000 And one slept upstairs.

00:06:43.000 And she said, well, I had a, it was good, but I had a visit from two boys.

00:06:47.000 And I go, you mean spirits?

00:06:49.000 And she goes, yes.

00:06:50.000 I go, honey, you're not freaking out.

00:06:51.000 She goes, no, because they were very nice.

00:06:53.000 One kept playing on the bed, but then finally I asked him to please stop.

00:06:57.000 And he stopped.

00:06:57.000 And I look at my wife, I go, I go to the computer.

00:07:00.000 Did ever something happen in my house?

00:07:02.000 Well, in 2001, four kids, a girl, oh, and I asked also what age?

00:07:06.000 16, 17, she said.

00:07:09.000 Four kids in the car went through a wall next to her home.

00:07:12.000 Two kids died.

00:07:13.000 Two boys, 16 and 17 years old, old.

00:07:16.000 And she didn't know that.

00:07:18.000 So now I knew, okay, something is going on here.

00:07:21.000 Then I started filming a movie, Malkop 2.

00:07:25.000 And my buddy, he said to me in a break, we had to go to the room to eat the food, whatever it was.

00:07:30.000 He said, hey, why don't you sit here, listening to this guy, because he's going to talk about how the world came together.

00:07:35.000 I said, okay.

00:07:38.000 So I'm sitting in there.

00:07:39.000 If he would have said Jesus or he would have said God, I would have left.

00:07:43.000 And I said, you'll see me in an hour.

00:07:45.000 But he didn't say that.

00:07:46.000 Let's see how the world came together.

00:07:48.000 And I'm smoking the cigar, sitting at the cabana at the wind hotel, at the pool.

00:07:53.000 And he starts talking.

00:07:54.000 And the first thing that he says is the leaf fell from the tree.

00:07:57.000 He says that leaf just reached its end destination.

00:08:00.000 He says, let's backtrack that leaf.

00:08:01.000 And he goes to the branch.

00:08:03.000 And then he goes to the tree before.

00:08:04.000 He goes to the tree before.

00:08:05.000 And he starts backpedaling.

00:08:07.000 And I'm sitting there and I go like, I know this story from somewhere, right?

00:08:11.000 And the way he did that.

00:08:13.000 And eventually there was Leo Severino.

00:08:15.000 He's a very smart theologian.

00:08:18.000 It was, yeah, it was right away.

00:08:20.000 I knew that we are a design.

00:08:22.000 Now and then, going from God to a designer, which is, yeah, that's a very small step.

00:08:26.000 And boom, that was it.

00:08:28.000 I was back into the faith.

00:08:30.000 I like the extraordinary synchronicity that the person that brought you to faith used an image that you were predisposed to respond to because your own inkling that there were ulterior realities had been peaked by your own contemplation of that tree as a boy.

00:08:56.000 I liken it to the rich young man in the gospel of, is it Matthew, who says to the Lord, what do I got to do?

00:09:05.000 And he says, love God with all your heart.

00:09:07.000 I do that already.

00:09:08.000 Love your neighbor as you love thyself.

00:09:10.000 I do that already.

00:09:11.000 All right, then, leave everything you have and follow me.

00:09:15.000 And like the young man sighed because he knew he wouldn't be able to do that.

00:09:20.000 And I wonder if when you talk about these supernatural encounters, Bass, it's clear to me that the world of the senses and the world of our human understanding is limited.

00:09:35.000 It's clear to me that the natural leads almost organically to the supernatural.

00:09:42.000 Indeed, I think of many of the saints, in particular St. Francis, that St. Francis experienced the supernatural through the natural.

00:09:53.000 Like these demonic encounters that you're describing are pretty intense, but I've got a real feeling that you were, I could feel that you were telling the truth.

00:10:02.000 And I've had other people, I've never had an encounter like that that's so explicit, vivid, lurid, and clear as you're describing.

00:10:11.000 You can go to whichever arm.

00:10:13.000 But I've heard people talk about demonic experiences.

00:10:16.000 I'm getting an NADIV, Bass.

00:10:18.000 Do you ever get those?

00:10:20.000 I had one in Dubai like six weeks ago or so when I was there.

00:10:26.000 What do you think about it?

00:10:28.000 I felt great, but you know, I was so tired till last year, I didn't know what was going on.

00:10:33.000 And apparently, I was in an AFib.

00:10:35.000 So I did atrial fibrillation for a year.

00:10:38.000 And my heart has already a leaking heart fall for when I was a kid.

00:10:42.000 When I was four months in the hospital, that was rheumatic fever.

00:10:45.000 So it didn't know how to freaking do everything anymore.

00:10:48.000 And I started getting more and more tired.

00:10:50.000 So it didn't do anything at that time because it was just my heart.

00:10:54.000 But then once I came back and had an ablation done like four or five weeks ago, it was like immediately back to life.

00:11:01.000 Blood pressure down, heartbeat down, everything was good.

00:11:04.000 And then I started actually feeling really good, which I do right now.

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00:12:06.000 You had a pretty extraordinary life, the ill health that you described as a child going on to confront physical threat and live in combat in the way that you've described.

00:12:16.000 It seems that you've been chosen to tell a very, very particular story and to demonstrate some very, very unusual ideas.

00:12:25.000 And like I was saying about the demonic thing there, sometimes when you said that about like feeling the weight on your chest, sometimes that's where I feel it most.

00:12:36.000 Like I feel like I'm encountering something there.

00:12:39.000 I recently went back to the UK where I have some tribulations that seem to me somehow demonic.

00:12:44.000 And when I consider Ephesians and the dark power and the dark authority, I feel like that plays out for sure in human institutions through human power. 0.73

00:12:54.000 And I sense that the way that the evil one has taken control of the world, the authority that he says in scripture that he has in his, you know, when tempting our Lord, I feel that power has captured media, a lot of government, the normalization of evil is like happening sort of at scale in our culture.

00:13:15.000 yeah, do what you've got to do, mate.

00:13:16.000 Do what you've got to do.

00:13:18.000 And it's very interesting to me to discuss with you a voyage and a journey and a walk that's included sort of frailty and vulnerability as a child that I really strongly identify with.

00:13:32.000 Trouble with addiction that I strongly identify with.

00:13:35.000 And I wonder if you agree with me that addiction is, I believe, and so do the sort of people that came up with the 12-step program that I'm able one day at a time to use to stay clean and free, that addiction is an attempt to sanctify and make spiritual the material.

00:13:52.000 That our thirst for God and our hunger for the holy is so strong that you have to have God and that you find one by one that the false idols can never give it to you.

00:14:03.000 Sex can't give it to you.

00:14:04.000 Fame can't give it to you.

00:14:06.000 Money can't give it to you.

00:14:07.000 So in the end, you have to introduce chemicals which can at least alter your state.

00:14:13.000 Do you recognize that your own addiction and alcoholism had a spiritual component?

00:14:18.000 Do you agree with that diagnosis that you were trying to do a spiritual job for yourself?

00:14:23.000 I love that.

00:14:25.000 Yeah, but at that time it was like pushing love away or pushing bad feelings.

00:14:30.000 It was like I was this guy who always felt good, always glass half full, always happy, always.

00:14:35.000 And I think after fighting, it left, I don't know, something happened that I couldn't fight anymore and it really left the whole edge start to try to fill that.

00:14:43.000 But it's pleasure.

00:14:44.000 So to me, I see it's more now when I look back over the whole path.

00:14:49.000 Yes, I know this is God.

00:14:50.000 I mean, from the get-go, giving my diseases, I become a fighter.

00:14:53.000 I start beating bullies up.

00:14:54.000 And then slowly but surely now I'm talking to you.

00:14:56.000 You see, so 100%, I believe that is God.

00:14:58.000 But in the beginning, I think that I got attacked a lot by the devil with God allowing it.

00:15:04.000 Because of course, for him, and I always tell people this, this is the craziest thing, you know, for him, his whole existence, whatever he did, everything is one act for him.

00:15:12.000 You know, there's no time.

00:15:13.000 So for him, the whole creation, what he did, it's still going.

00:15:18.000 He never was.

00:15:19.000 He never will be.

00:15:20.000 He is.

00:15:22.000 So he knew automatically, well, he knows automatically.

00:15:26.000 So we think like that, but he doesn't think like that since he's outside of time and space.

00:15:30.000 So he allowed all that to do.

00:15:32.000 It's like a guy finds a wallet and he thinks, hallelujah, I got it.

00:15:36.000 Oh, I want to buy a new TV.

00:15:37.000 I check the money for the TV.

00:15:38.000 And then he praises God, but that's the devil.

00:15:41.000 But it's God allowing it to happen just to see what he's going to do with it.

00:15:46.000 Does he take the right course, the wrong course?

00:15:48.000 Put him on the path.

00:15:50.000 I'll slowly but surely, because I believe everybody has like a Catholic conscience, at least a Christian conscience.

00:15:56.000 We know what is right and what is wrong, right?

00:15:58.000 And we know what ultimately is the best for us.

00:16:00.000 So he knows that it's wrong.

00:16:02.000 The problem with going wrong, once you go too many times wrong, that wrong becomes so easy to do.

00:16:08.000 That's addiction, right?

00:16:09.000 It's addiction, but it's also everything in your mind.

00:16:11.000 So then you keep doing it.

00:16:12.000 And then the way to get out of it is by most of the time a hard fall, rock bottom.

00:16:17.000 That's what they say, you know, with drinking and drugs.

00:16:20.000 Falling so hard that you, yeah, you understand that this is the only way to get out of it.

00:16:24.000 But that could always, it's set up by the devil, but it's allowed by God because he knows eventually that you will get out of it.

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:35.000 Yes, I understand the perfect will and permissive will.

00:16:39.000 And I can see that I failed a lot of tests, you know, that I've so many times returned to false idolatry and self-worship.

00:16:49.000 Can you see in retrospect the nature of those tests in your own life?

00:16:53.000 What was the equivalent of being given a wallet?

00:16:56.000 Was it that you have a capacity for strategy, like when you're chasing a demon in a U-bend around the kitchen?

00:17:04.000 Have you got a capacity for combat?

00:17:06.000 What is it that you think was your test that initially may have played out for ill that ultimately God can use?

00:17:16.000 I thought I had just this. 0.99

00:17:20.000 The more stupid stuff I did, the better I got with whatever I was doing. 0.99

00:17:25.000 So I was almost like, why would I stop? 1.00

00:17:28.000 Completely drunk.

00:17:28.000 They throw me the thing in the room.

00:17:31.000 I wake up in the morning in my clothes and I have to do a show that night.

00:17:34.000 Not fighting, but like commentating.

00:17:36.000 Never messed up.

00:17:37.000 I always knew what I was doing.

00:17:39.000 You know, so every time I was never put in a situation that I go, okay, this is payback from what I did last night or what I did last week.

00:17:47.000 It was always, I always sailed through everything.

00:17:49.000 I had car accidents that you cannot believe flying over a trash barrier, no seatbelts, my body flies through the car, no roof.

00:17:56.000 Somehow we don't go out.

00:17:58.000 Missing every tree on the way back, on the way down, down is water, upside down in the water.

00:18:03.000 I don't know how deep the water is.

00:18:04.000 I had to kick the windows out.

00:18:05.000 My body is knocked out.

00:18:06.000 I had to drag him out.

00:18:07.000 Thankfully, it wasn't that deep.

00:18:09.000 But all these, and I have a scratch.

00:18:11.000 I have nothing.

00:18:11.000 He had his whole skull open, needs to be stitched up everywhere.

00:18:16.000 I had zero.

00:18:17.000 I knocked out the toilet with my head because I was drunk in On Valium.

00:18:22.000 But I had the shower in a hotel.

00:18:24.000 So I get out and now the pill kicks in.

00:18:25.000 I slip backwards.

00:18:26.000 I hit my head on the rim.

00:18:28.000 How is this possible that I completely destroyed the whole toilet?

00:18:33.000 And then the whole floor started floating.

00:18:35.000 I just kicked some curtains in it or whatever I found.

00:18:40.000 I put it on a bed sheet and I went to sleep.

00:18:42.000 And then the next day I woke up.

00:18:43.000 I go, did I dream this?

00:18:44.000 This is weird.

00:18:46.000 And I'm going to the restroom and I'm sitting down because I always want to sit if I pee because otherwise I'm all over the place.

00:18:51.000 I don't want to hit the light switch yet.

00:18:53.000 And I go, man, that was a weird dream.

00:18:54.000 But the toilet is here.

00:18:55.000 And I hit the light switch and I see bloody handprints everywhere.

00:18:58.000 And I go, what the heck is going on?

00:19:00.000 And I had nothing.

00:19:01.000 I had a scratch on the back of my head.

00:19:03.000 And those things, it's impossible.

00:19:05.000 You take a slash hammer, you can almost not do it.

00:19:08.000 But somehow it found a weak spot in that rim that made that thing explode instead of breaking my skull.

00:19:14.000 You see, so all these moments that I start thinking about that were so crazy that I survived, now I know he simply had a hand in that.

00:19:25.000 But at that time, I thought, hey, the crazier I am, nothing is happening.

00:19:28.000 It's only getting better. 0.54

00:19:30.000 Let's just keep on going crazy. 1.00

00:19:32.000 I needed a slap in the face, that's what I needed. 1.00

00:19:34.000 A very hot slap in the face. 0.99

00:19:36.000 And I think it started to come up.

00:19:37.000 And then, suddenly, when Leo started talking about that, Lee fell from the tree, I started coming back.

00:19:41.000 And once I realized, the first thing that I met was Matthew 7:3 to 5.

00:19:46.000 Right?

00:19:46.000 Why do you try to remove the splinter from your body's eye with the wooden beam in your own eye?

00:19:51.000 Hypocrite. 0.99

00:19:52.000 Why don't you remove first the wooden beam so you can see clearly and then you can move remove the splinter? 0.99

00:19:57.000 And I go like, man, that's me.

00:19:59.000 That's me.

00:19:59.000 I'm telling everybody how to stop drinking while I'm drinking.

00:20:02.000 I'm telling everybody how to stop doing drugs, you know, but I was doing it myself.

00:20:06.000 And that really put it on me. 0.80

00:20:08.000 I go, my God, I'm a douche. 0.96

00:20:11.000 I'm a complete douche. 0.76

00:20:12.000 And then I started disconnecting from things. 0.99

00:20:14.000 Get rid of the freaking pors. 1.00

00:20:16.000 Get rid of these watches. 0.99

00:20:17.000 Get rid of this.

00:20:17.000 Get rid of that.

00:20:18.000 I gave it to my friends.

00:20:19.000 I go, I don't want it anymore.

00:20:21.000 I just want, you know, just get a normal car.

00:20:23.000 Why would I need to drive around in all that stuff?

00:20:25.000 It's not needed.

00:20:26.000 And once I started doing, it started feeling better.

00:20:29.000 First, I lost a lot of jobs because I think the evil one wasn't happy.

00:20:34.000 And he went fully after me.

00:20:35.000 I lost 150,000 followers.

00:20:38.000 Everybody thought I was crazy.

00:20:39.000 Everything went down, down, down, lost the job.

00:20:41.000 So suddenly now it's scary because I didn't have a lot of work.

00:20:45.000 This is in 2014.

00:20:46.000 You know, people don't realize that.

00:20:49.000 But then suddenly when I just stuck with it, I stuck with it.

00:20:51.000 I started doing a roadary every day and angels every day and divine mercy every day.

00:20:55.000 And I started going and an examination of conscience in the evening and going over the day.

00:20:59.000 What did I do right?

00:21:00.000 What did I do wrong?

00:21:01.000 How can I make things better?

00:21:02.000 What didn't I do, but should have done?

00:21:03.000 Like all these things that started helping me, helping me, helping me.

00:21:06.000 And suddenly, boof, everything started gaining.

00:21:09.000 And now I got the good fans.

00:21:10.000 Now I got the guys.

00:21:11.000 It's weird.

00:21:12.000 We live in a world that when you try to be a better person, people try to hate you for it, right?

00:21:18.000 It's amazing.

00:21:18.000 I mean, I just want to do what Jesus does.

00:21:21.000 You know, try to love thy neighbor as thyself, right?

00:21:24.000 Two of the greatest commandments he gave, love God with everything you got.

00:21:26.000 But if you're date, just leave that.

00:21:28.000 But number two, treat thy neighbor as thyself.

00:21:30.000 And we all know it, but nobody does it.

00:21:32.000 And I always tell our Father, we say the same thing.

00:21:36.000 Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others who trespass against us.

00:21:39.000 Who does that?

00:21:40.000 I mean, not a lot of people forgive all the others.

00:21:43.000 Nay, we want to be forgiven.

00:21:44.000 It's all me, me, me, me.

00:21:46.000 And once I realize that, and that pride is in the little things, it's not in boasting and that.

00:21:51.000 That's an easy one to fix.

00:21:53.000 But it's like holding the door open for somebody and it doesn't say thank you and you get angry, aggravated.

00:21:58.000 That's pride.

00:21:59.000 Why would you, you do it because it's the right thing to do.

00:22:02.000 You don't do it for a thank you, you know?

00:22:04.000 And once I start seeing those little tiny things, I go, man, I got a lot of cleanup to do.

00:22:09.000 So I started cleaning and now everything became better.

00:22:13.000 It was easier to stop the drugs, to stop the alcohol, you know, because now I saw what a real man is, which is a guy who doesn't do everything because now he is controlled.

00:22:21.000 Whatever overcomes a man through that, he is enslaved, right? 0.98

00:22:24.000 That's what the Bible says.

00:22:26.000 I didn't want to be the slave anymore.

00:22:28.000 I want to be in control.

00:22:29.000 Okay, let's not drink that anymore.

00:22:31.000 And I'm not the guy who can say two drinks, I'm going to stop.

00:22:33.000 And I know I'm not that guy.

00:22:34.000 So I simply don't drink.

00:22:36.000 And I simply don't do drugs.

00:22:38.000 But you see, then you realize the guy who's in complete control of everything in his life, that's a man.

00:22:44.000 And I want to be a man.

00:22:45.000 That's the only thing I want to be.

00:22:48.000 I like the scripture, seek thee first the kingdom of God.

00:22:52.000 And I feel that all of our interactions, if they can be directed primarily towards God rather than anything else, then opening a door and being spurned or a failed business venture or any challenges are secondary.

00:23:11.000 I heard a Catholic priest, Thomas Merton, like relatively contemporary Catholic writer, say that sacrifice need not include suffering.

00:23:25.000 That even though the primary image of sacrifice is obviously Christ on the cross and it is an image of suffering, that the point of sacrifice is to acknowledge that there is another realm, a primary realm, the realm of God, the realm of the Father.

00:23:43.000 And the reason that involves suffering often is because we're attached to our body or we're attached to our money or attached to our food or attached to sex or identity or whatever it is.

00:23:53.000 But sacrifice, but the sacrifice needn't include suffering.

00:23:58.000 If you were not attached, if you had perfect non-attachment, then you, but, you know, and that's why I need Christ, because I know that Christ was tempted by the devil.

00:24:09.000 I know that Christ suffered.

00:24:11.000 I did the Stations of the Cross prayer today, in fact, in preparation for this interview with you.

00:24:18.000 And like Christ, he, you know, falls down three times, has these human interactions, weeps with his mother.

00:24:25.000 And I feel, I feel that it's very, I'm a very devout man, Bass.

00:24:32.000 Like I worship a lot.

00:24:34.000 I worship.

00:24:34.000 Like when I was like worshiping drugs, I loved taking drugs.

00:24:38.000 And when I was worshiping sex, I loved having sex.

00:24:41.000 I was very, very, very committed to it. 0.87

00:24:44.000 And sometimes, Bass, I can feel the demon or the phantom or the shadow of it.

00:24:50.000 Like I feel it in the material world.

00:24:52.000 For me, I'm one of them that's been chosen out of the world, you know?

00:24:55.000 And what I mean by that is I can't be in the world.

00:24:58.000 I can't do it.

00:25:00.000 If I start dedicating myself to the world, start caring about my success at work or whether I've got enough money, it just, it starts with one thread.

00:25:09.000 But before I know it, I'm fully in.

00:25:10.000 I'm fully in, fully caring.

00:25:13.000 So I just can't do it, man.

00:25:14.000 And I think that you might be like that.

00:25:16.000 I think you might be a, sounds to me like you're an extremist, but that when you devote that to something focused and targeted, like becoming a fighter, which is a pretty much no place to hide, serious questions asked environment, you're able to succeed.

00:25:32.000 How do you regard that success through the lens of a saved man of God?

00:25:37.000 How do you look back at even the things in your life that were apparently and evidently successful, victorious, glorious?

00:25:46.000 Yeah, well, it's exactly like you said.

00:25:49.000 We are wired a different way.

00:25:52.000 We are wired like we want everything in one time.

00:25:54.000 If one is good, 10 is better.

00:25:55.000 You know, and that is really bad for all the vices out there, but it's Really good if you want something to achieve.

00:26:02.000 And that's what I had in fighting, you know.

00:26:04.000 And for me, it was like one goal, I'm going to get that.

00:26:07.000 I'm going to train harder than everybody.

00:26:08.000 If 10 rounds is good, 15 is better.

00:26:10.000 So I use it for the positive and not realizing that once I stopped.

00:26:14.000 And although I should have known a little bit, because after a fight, I would be three days gone.

00:26:19.000 My wife wouldn't know where I am.

00:26:21.000 I said, I'll be right back in like two, three days.

00:26:23.000 I will see when I'm back.

00:26:24.000 And I would come back because in Japan, I fought a lot.

00:26:27.000 Like the first year, I fought eight fights.

00:26:28.000 The second year, I fought nine fights.

00:26:30.000 So we were constantly training, staying in shape.

00:26:33.000 But you know, you go two days, three days, completely crazy.

00:26:36.000 You're completely gone.

00:26:37.000 Then you come back, take a day rest, and then you started training again.

00:26:40.000 But that also went full power.

00:26:42.000 So I should have seen it coming that once I take the training away, it's going to be a problem later on.

00:26:48.000 But once you come to God and you realize and you live by those principles, you realize, I wish that I would have known this when I was thinking 20 years old.

00:26:57.000 Somebody would have come to me, hammered some sense into me.

00:26:59.000 But then again, I was 20.

00:27:00.000 You know, would I have listened?

00:27:02.000 But I think it gets a special person who I'd really admire.

00:27:05.000 And he would simply say, hey, this is the deal.

00:27:08.000 You know, you're not a man if you can't control it.

00:27:10.000 You know, like really being like the tough guy.

00:27:13.000 We always want to be the tough.

00:27:14.000 Oh, you want to be a military guy?

00:27:15.000 Well, you can't do anything of that because what if something happens?

00:27:19.000 What if somebody comes in the house?

00:27:20.000 You have to protect your mom and your dad.

00:27:22.000 You see, like that, he should have talked to me.

00:27:24.000 But I wasn't.

00:27:25.000 Nobody ever talked to me like that because I came from a family, but he simply didn't believe.

00:27:31.000 I wish constantly I go back, if I could go back to 2000, just 2000 when the kids were very tiny still, you know, and then there from that moment on, so I have at least the finding behind me because, man, that was a crazy path.

00:27:44.000 Learned from all these crazy mistakes, and then I should have jumped back into the church.

00:27:48.000 But it never happened.

00:27:50.000 Somehow God knew that, well, in 2014 would be a better day for me.

00:27:55.000 And I jumped back.

00:27:56.000 And listen, it really worked.

00:27:57.000 When I came back, my wife started laughing because she knows me.

00:28:00.000 Normally, when I see something new, it's for six weeks.

00:28:04.000 I go full in and I lose interest.

00:28:06.000 But this one, it stayed.

00:28:08.000 And then suddenly I asked her, I said, hey, listen, I want to marry again.

00:28:11.000 Now, we already married twice.

00:28:13.000 One for the green card.

00:28:15.000 We came in.

00:28:15.000 We had to be a family before applying so that we can all get the green card.

00:28:18.000 The second was the big wedding that I promised her.

00:28:21.000 But now I wanted to marry for the church.

00:28:24.000 And she goes, okay, I don't even know if she really said something.

00:28:28.000 But the next day I couldn't get a hold of her.

00:28:30.000 And then finally she calls me back.

00:28:32.000 I go, hey, where were you?

00:28:33.000 She goes, I was at Mass.

00:28:34.000 And I go, you were at Mass.

00:28:35.000 He goes, why?

00:28:36.000 He says, well, you want to get married for the church, right?

00:28:38.000 I said, yeah.

00:28:39.000 And she said, well, I did my confirmation.

00:28:42.000 No, I was baptized, but I didn't do my confirmation.

00:28:44.000 I just signed up.

00:28:46.000 I went to Mass and signed up for RCIA classes.

00:28:48.000 I mean, she saw me change within a year.

00:28:52.000 And immediately when I said I wanted to marry her, the next day she went to Mass and she signed up for RCIA classes.

00:28:57.000 You see, so she just saw what a person I was becoming and she wanted that.

00:29:02.000 She wanted to jump on it.

00:29:04.000 So the proof is in the pudding is just, you know, doing it.

00:29:07.000 The whole, everything changes and everything becomes better.

00:29:10.000 That's the thing, the problem right now.

00:29:12.000 Everybody's looking for that dopamine the whole time, you know, and we need to go with the serotonin, the ketonizer, relics, just feeling good.

00:29:19.000 But we want those peaks.

00:29:20.000 But those peaks, every time you need more of it, whatever it is that gives you that peak in order to get that same feeling.

00:29:26.000 How many times did you not tell your friends?

00:29:29.000 And I said, that first time you did cocaine, you never get that same experience again, right?

00:29:34.000 And but that's with every feis and that's why the world is so out of control, because we all want to be free, but you shouldn't be free, you know, because then there's no meaning.

00:29:44.000 Nobody wants to work anymore.

00:29:45.000 You know, what if you become a champion with no training?

00:29:48.000 What would that mean?

00:29:49.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:29:50.000 There needs to be hardship, you know? 1.00

00:29:52.000 And once you realize that, and I realized at a very late age, then you go, oh my God, I've been so stupid my entire life. 0.99

00:29:59.000 Why didn't I do this all the way back? 0.98

00:30:01.000 How cool would it be to be a fighter, to never use profanity, to have not won any, no tattoos, and just destroy everybody and spreading the word of God?

00:30:10.000 I mean, that would have been a really cool thing to do. 0.94

00:30:12.000 Now, I know a lot of people are going to say, I don't think God is okay with fighting, but I think that's a dumb statement.

00:30:21.000 I think he is okay with it, as long as both fighters sign up for it in order to do it, to have a better life.

00:30:28.000 Like, I say violence is when one of the guys doesn't want to fight.

00:30:32.000 I think that's violence.

00:30:33.000 But I think when you both sign up to support your families, and you know, for people, it always looks like it's so violent because it's in a cage, right?

00:30:41.000 And you put animals in a cage, you put prisoners in a cage, but it's actually there for your safety.

00:30:45.000 And once you go through all the rules and what you can and cannot do, then you realize it's really not that dangerous.

00:30:51.000 But there's way less death, like way less.

00:30:53.000 I think we had maybe three deaths since mixed martial arts started.

00:30:57.000 And why is that?

00:30:58.000 Because we don't have an eight count.

00:30:59.000 Taking the eight count away, it's a big thing.

00:31:02.000 If I mount somebody and I start hitting him and he doesn't intelligently defend himself, before I connect through, the refuge is probably going to pull me off.

00:31:11.000 Because eventually he knows it's going to happen.

00:31:14.000 So it's much safer for the fighters, but people don't know that.

00:31:17.000 They see the blood with the heartbeat of 150 pumping out and it looks all bad and it's in the cage, you know, but they don't see the sport of it.

00:31:25.000 And they don't know what we feel towards each other.

00:31:28.000 You don't hate that guy.

00:31:29.000 What you see is 90% fake.

00:31:31.000 Sometimes it's real, but it's very rare.

00:31:33.000 But the rest, these guys, there's such a camaraderie among fighters.

00:31:37.000 People have no idea how that is.

00:31:39.000 And they're really good guys too.

00:31:41.000 All the top guys, you won't see them fight on the street because they don't need to prove themselves.

00:31:46.000 Plus, they don't want to go to jail.

00:31:47.000 They want to make money in real fighting.

00:31:49.000 So yeah, everything is done now, I know, for a reason.

00:31:55.000 You know, the whole path.

00:31:56.000 I'm actually writing my story and its insanity.

00:31:59.000 There's some things that I go like, I don't know if I'm going to have to put that in there.

00:32:03.000 You know, I don't want to inspire other kids to do crazy stuff.

00:32:05.000 So I'm going to have to filter a lot out.

00:32:08.000 But yeah, if I really go back into all the things that happened, boom, here we are.

00:32:12.000 We're talking.

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00:32:32.000 I don't think you should filter anything out.

00:32:33.000 I think you should put it all in and then do a pass on it.

00:32:36.000 Like do a pass after you've put it in and write it from the perspect, like you're writing it as the man that you are now.

00:32:42.000 So I've often thought myself that I should have been, you know, have you ever heard how they sort of select llamas in like Tibetan Buddhism, like when like four-year-old kids are like shown artifacts that belong to an apparently previous incarnation of the same soul that they are.

00:33:02.000 And if they identify those artifacts, they're taken from the village and they're sort of shown a new path and a new way.

00:33:08.000 And I've, you know, that seems kind of sometimes ridiculous to a Westerner and to a non-Buddhist, but I believe even as a follower of Christ, that I was a kind of person that you could have marked out at four years old, five years old, six years old, or whatever, as this person, the world's never going to be enough of this kid.

00:33:28.000 This is someone that needs to be in a monastery or a friary.

00:33:33.000 This person needs to follow the spiritual path, otherwise they're going to worship God in everything you put in front of them, in food, in sex, and everything.

00:33:41.000 And, you know, so I identify it with that.

00:33:45.000 I wonder how your relationship with fear has changed.

00:33:49.000 Like, in spite of how you characterize yourself as a younger man, you knew enough to have the Dutch word for relax, tattooed on your body.

00:34:00.000 And that, like, seems to me to be almost combat and secular equivalent of seek thee first the kingdom of God.

00:34:08.000 Like, most people can't, and obviously I would strongly include myself in this.

00:34:14.000 Mike Tyson's, you know, everyone has a plan until they get a punch in the face, a brilliant remark.

00:34:20.000 Like, me, I'm a person that was, once I'm frightened, I don't think very clearly at all.

00:34:25.000 And look, my connection with God, it's very hard to maintain my connection to God if I'm overstimulated, if someone stimulates too much desire or too much fear or if circumstances rather than someone.

00:34:37.000 So how did you know that fundamental to success in combat was going to be the maintenance of a state of relaxation?

00:34:44.000 How did you know that?

00:34:47.000 I just knew, you know, in panic, you make all the mistakes.

00:34:50.000 Emotions cloud everything.

00:34:52.000 Well, you look at the world right now.

00:34:53.000 Everything's emotional, you know, and that's why people are reacting, you know, it's all anger.

00:34:56.000 So I knew like Furoshin, that means an unstoppable mind in Japan.

00:35:01.000 That logo always was big.

00:35:03.000 I had big rims on my Mercedes one time and I had that logo on the rim.

00:35:07.000 So it was really cool. 0.75

00:35:08.000 But an unstoppable mind, a guy who can literally stop at the moment when that's when shit hit the fan and cancel everything out on the side. 0.64

00:35:17.000 Now in Thai boxing, I never had that. 0.87

00:35:20.000 I always had a lot of pressure.

00:35:22.000 Now I was very fortunate because I just destroyed the people that I knocked them out.

00:35:26.000 But if I would have had a really good opponent who knew how to stay out of my reach and just pick me apart from the side, I would have run out of gas and then he would have gotten me.

00:35:34.000 Thankfully, that didn't happen.

00:35:35.000 But then when I went to Japan, that was suddenly, that was the change.

00:35:40.000 That was literally the unstoppable mind.

00:35:42.000 That was the first time when I was fighting.

00:35:45.000 Well, I got to also say the reason, because I didn't know the rules.

00:35:48.000 I thought it was weird.

00:35:49.000 There was no weigh-ins.

00:35:51.000 And then suddenly this guy walks up to me on the day of the fight.

00:35:55.000 He's a big guy, 6'3.

00:35:56.000 And he shakes my hand.

00:35:57.000 I say, you're the promoter.

00:35:58.000 He says, no, I'm fighting you tonight.

00:35:59.000 I go, what's your weight?

00:36:00.000 And he was like 33, 35 pounds heavier than I was.

00:36:02.000 I go, oh, that's right.

00:36:03.000 And then the promoter walked up and I go, are you the promoter?

00:36:07.000 Is he not too heavy?

00:36:08.000 He goes, no, no, Mr. Ruth.

00:36:09.000 We fight everybody.

00:36:09.000 There's no weight for us.

00:36:11.000 And I go, oh, great, great.

00:36:12.000 So I tried to force a smile.

00:36:14.000 And before he walked away, I said, how many minutes we have?

00:36:17.000 How many rounds we have?

00:36:18.000 He says, one round.

00:36:19.000 I go, great.

00:36:20.000 How many minutes?

00:36:20.000 30.

00:36:21.000 A 30-minute fight.

00:36:23.000 No breaks.

00:36:25.000 So that, together with him being like 33 pounds heavier, and now knowing that if I can't put the guy away, which was a Japanese guy and known for being tough, what if I can't put him away in the first one and a half minute? 0.98

00:36:38.000 I got 28 and a half minutes to go.

00:36:40.000 I need to calm.

00:36:41.000 I need to calm.

00:36:42.000 And then I put these big R's on my hand from those things, you know, like, and I told my corner, which was, I'll trade myself, was my manager in the corner.

00:36:49.000 If he hits me, just shout, be calm, stay calm, stay calm, because I'm a hothead and I didn't want to lose my cool.

00:36:55.000 And then the most crazy thing, experience in my life happened till this day.

00:37:00.000 It's like one of the coolest things that I ever had in my life.

00:37:03.000 The fight started and I'm in the bubble.

00:37:07.000 And I hear my corner talk to each other.

00:37:10.000 I know exactly what they're saying.

00:37:12.000 I heard an Australian couple talking about a move to a different place, to a different city, Melbourne or whatever.

00:37:19.000 I mean, I heard everything, but I was completely locked in.

00:37:22.000 I saw everything.

00:37:23.000 And then suddenly I say, oh, right, hi, kick, buff.

00:37:25.000 And he goes down right away.

00:37:27.000 And I go, my God, what's going on?

00:37:28.000 He kicks me and I block with my shin.

00:37:30.000 And while I'm blocking, I never did that.

00:37:32.000 I go like, what the heck was that?

00:37:34.000 I'm thinking, this is so crazy.

00:37:36.000 He goes down.

00:37:37.000 There's an eight count.

00:37:39.000 And then these two voices in my head started talking.

00:37:42.000 One is a very aggressive voice and the other one was a very calm guy.

00:37:46.000 And the aggressive guy says, run to the corner, because as soon as you're in the corner, that's when they start counting.

00:37:51.000 So the later you're in the corner, the more rest you're going to give your opponent.

00:37:56.000 But the other guy somehow was telling me, and it was not with the voice, that it was way more intimidating to just walk towards the guy, because I know he had his eyes open, to give him a look, and then to walk back very slowly.

00:38:09.000 So he would think, my God, this guy's not afraid at all.

00:38:13.000 And then I'm hanging in the corner like this.

00:38:15.000 But while I'm hanging in the corner, the other guy goes, you gotta go, you gotta ride, right, right, right.

00:38:19.000 But the cool guy said, just relax.

00:38:20.000 And then boom, the fight started again. 0.81

00:38:22.000 And that's where I knocked him out with another palm strike, liver to the kick, a kick to the liver, hands went down, another palm strike, and then I kneed him in the head.

00:38:31.000 And that was a very scary moment because he went, he was two days out.

00:38:36.000 You know, so he got up like three minutes and he crashed again right away.

00:38:40.000 He got up after another three minutes, crashed again.

00:38:42.000 They had to bring him to the hospital.

00:38:44.000 Didn't wake up.

00:38:45.000 So I go, oh my God.

00:38:46.000 So I'm already talking to my wife.

00:38:48.000 I said, listen, if he's not going to come out, this is, I don't want to do this anymore.

00:38:51.000 He was a nice guy.

00:38:52.000 He came to introduce himself, you know.

00:38:54.000 So it was freaking me out.

00:38:55.000 But the fact, the way I was feeling and from that moment on, every fight was like that.

00:39:02.000 It was like I was in complete control.

00:39:05.000 It was really weird.

00:39:06.000 It was just at that moment given to me.

00:39:08.000 Maybe it's also the audience because they're super quiet in Japan, right?

00:39:12.000 I mean, you can sit in the 30th row and I can speak like I'm speaking right now, and he can hear what I'm saying because nobody makes a sound.

00:39:18.000 Or when you knock somebody out, the whole place goes crazy for 10 seconds, and then it's quiet again.

00:39:23.000 Maybe that combination with the 30-minute round and with the 33-pounds heavier guy, and then the quietness really got me in that Fudo Shin logo, the unstoppable mind, not able, nobody could throw me off my game.

00:39:38.000 That's why till this day, I say for my ADHD, fighting and sparring, elite sparring against good guys is the most peaceful time for me there is.

00:39:47.000 Because you have no time for all the other craziness coming in.

00:39:51.000 You got one focus.

00:39:53.000 You know, that's why they say you got to like juggle or something.

00:39:55.000 It's really good to throw all these crazy voices out.

00:39:58.000 Maybe I should try that while doing prayers because, again, prayers also, right?

00:40:02.000 To constantly keep focusing, constantly keep focusing.

00:40:05.000 If you do a rosary now, I'm doing it for over 10 years, you know, every day, you know, you start wandering off.

00:40:12.000 You got to pitch yourself back into it.

00:40:13.000 So I do visual things.

00:40:15.000 Every decade, every beat has a certain moment.

00:40:19.000 You know, I see Mary praying and then I see the Archangel St. Gabriel coming.

00:40:22.000 And I see all these things and I have it visual on my phone as well.

00:40:26.000 So I can look at it and focus on it so my mind doesn't shoot in other directions.

00:40:31.000 And when it happened with that, I go, oh, I can do with the Divine Mercy and I can do this with everything.

00:40:36.000 So now my focus with pictures is always really good.

00:40:39.000 And numbers, somehow I'm good.

00:40:41.000 But for the rest, I'm all over the place.

00:40:44.000 But yeah, the fighting, that helped me.

00:40:46.000 And that I want to have in everything, but it's hard to attain, like in acting, right?

00:40:52.000 They go like, oh, yeah, remember your lines.

00:40:54.000 Whoa, camera here, camera here, camera here, $60,000 shot, go.

00:40:58.000 What was my line?

00:40:59.000 You know, because you're stressing out, but again, you get used to it.

00:41:02.000 And slowly becomes more normal.

00:41:04.000 In the beginning, I didn't like to do interviews.

00:41:06.000 I was more scared of interviewing, of doing interviews than I was for fighting.

00:41:10.000 But you do 10 interviews and it's like whatever.

00:41:13.000 You start doing these things.

00:41:14.000 But again, that's everything you get used to.

00:41:18.000 But just remember for the people at home, also the bad things you get used to.

00:41:23.000 And that's what you have to watch out for.

00:41:26.000 Seems sometimes that we have within us this very protean, mobile, super state of potentiality, consciousness, Holy Spirit.

00:41:37.000 And it can be directed and mobilized.

00:41:40.000 If we direct it according to the principles of our Lord, then it will realize in his image.

00:41:44.000 If we allow the evil one to intercede, then it will play out through his false idols.

00:41:50.000 It will play out in his temples, in his temporality.

00:41:54.000 But so I wonder if it sounds like that you were particularly predisposed to strikes and that your early career were perhaps in formats and forums that were predisposed to strike in martial arts.

00:42:08.000 What happened as you had to incorporate ground game and whether that jiu-jitsu or wrestling, how did that alter the trajectory?

00:42:18.000 How does that alter fighting for you?

00:42:21.000 And did it seem sort of unreasonable and additionally challenging to have to incorporate those things?

00:42:28.000 Yeah, so well losing.

00:42:31.000 I started losing by the way of submission because they knew that was my killer seal.

00:42:35.000 Take him down. 0.57

00:42:36.000 You know, I want to stand with this guy.

00:42:37.000 No, I knew nobody wanted to stand with me, but I had nobody to train within Holland.

00:42:41.000 And then after my third loss, I became very vocal.

00:42:45.000 Now, already after my second loss, and then I found one guy, Leon Van Dijk.

00:42:50.000 That was the guy from the car accident who had this whole skull open.

00:42:53.000 That was actually July 4th, 1996.

00:42:57.000 I was just thinking about it last fourth, July 4th.

00:43:00.000 And then we started training together and I never got it.

00:43:04.000 I never got it in the beginning.

00:43:06.000 And then one day, it's one of those things that one ingredient comes in.

00:43:10.000 I'm rolling with another guy.

00:43:12.000 It's a judo guy, and he reverses me.

00:43:14.000 And he says to me, boss, you know that I can throw you to this side if you don't base out on this side.

00:43:20.000 You need to always have one base, whether it's your hand or your foot on the other side, so they can't throw you to that side.

00:43:26.000 And I'm sitting there and I go like, this is, how then, I never saw this.

00:43:32.000 This is so crazy that I never saw this.

00:43:34.000 And that was it.

00:43:35.000 I somehow that, and I have no clue how this works.

00:43:39.000 It all applied on everything.

00:43:41.000 I think I tapped in my life in training maybe three times.

00:43:45.000 And there was two times that I was completely drunk and that I almost had to throw up.

00:43:49.000 And that's why I tapped.

00:43:50.000 Otherwise, I wouldn't have done it because it was the next day after party.

00:43:53.000 But I mean, I started submitting everybody.

00:43:55.000 I suddenly started submitting everybody.

00:43:57.000 And then I had the role with some fighters in Japan one day.

00:44:00.000 And I never knew that I could be a world champion because they knew all the game, right?

00:44:04.000 They knew the ground, they know the wrestling, they know the striking.

00:44:06.000 I was only the striker.

00:44:08.000 And then I fought Ken Shamrock.

00:44:11.000 I lost by him by way of knee bar.

00:44:13.000 And then I got really angry and I started training three times a day, only submissions.

00:44:18.000 And then two times or three times a week, I would do Thai pets for stamina, but no more striking, no more nothing, only that.

00:44:25.000 And then suddenly when I was training with the other guys, I started to tap these guys.

00:44:30.000 And I go, so because I had no point of reference, I didn't know how good I was.

00:44:34.000 And then suddenly when I worked with them, I go, my God.

00:44:37.000 And that's the moment I came home and I told my wife, I go, I think I can be a world champion in this.

00:44:42.000 I mean, I thought they were here and I was here, but it's the other way around.

00:44:47.000 It's so crazy.

00:44:48.000 And that was it.

00:44:49.000 I never lost a fight again.

00:44:50.000 I didn't lose in my last 23 fights.

00:44:52.000 Even cooler was the last fight I lost by submission.

00:44:55.000 I won my next eight fights by submission.

00:44:57.000 I have actually more submission victories now than I have knockout victories.

00:45:01.000 So because I go like, it's easy to go out now.

00:45:04.000 So I really start enjoying it.

00:45:06.000 But you have to understand it.

00:45:08.000 And this is something with me.

00:45:09.000 Here we go again.

00:45:10.000 Once I go in, I go 100% in.

00:45:14.000 I have to know why it's hurting and why this will put more pressure on if it would.

00:45:19.000 Like I figure for a lot of people, and this is a white belt move, right? 1.00

00:45:22.000 You learn this pretty much for if they lift your elbow up.

00:45:25.000 Now here you can see my elbow can come up to this and then I can roll out.

00:45:28.000 But look, if I push my hand down, the elbow cannot come up.

00:45:32.000 Okay, so that is a better torque on the shoulder.

00:45:35.000 now you're watching fights, guys in main events, and they have the hand here.

00:45:39.000 I go, if you understand the submission and you know exactly how to do it and how it works, that's how I realized how to stay out of submissions.

00:45:49.000 Because in the beginning, I was learning how to defend the armbar, how to defend the triangle choke. 0.99

00:45:52.000 And I go, dude, I'm so stupid. 0.84

00:45:54.000 Why don't I learn everything about the armbar and everything about the submission so I can already see it coming when they try to put it on? 0.94

00:46:02.000 You know, and that was it.

00:46:03.000 That changed my entire life.

00:46:04.000 And then I go like, okay, just one setup on the mount, go for straight armbar.

00:46:08.000 What if I create four different setups?

00:46:10.000 Setups that they maybe don't know.

00:46:12.000 Because if you find a setup that somebody never saw before, well, you're going to be successful with it.

00:46:17.000 Well, it's going to be one time, especially if it's a good guy, but one time is enough to win a fight, right?

00:46:22.000 So then the whole house was full with post-its, with combinations.

00:46:26.000 My poor wife in the middle of the night would wake up, put her in a submission because I would dream a submission. 1.00

00:46:31.000 Hurt your shoulder, hurt your shoulder, writing it down next day in training. 0.86

00:46:34.000 Dude, I was insane.

00:46:36.000 But like I said, I never lost a fight again.

00:46:38.000 You see, so it's once you become obsessed with something, and that's what I had with the faith as well.

00:46:43.000 I just suddenly I saw it.

00:46:46.000 And then I go, okay, now let's go all the way.

00:46:49.000 You know, and everybody can do it.

00:46:52.000 And that's what I always tell people.

00:46:53.000 You can do it as well.

00:46:55.000 It's just doing it and keep on doing it.

00:46:58.000 I use this example from Henry Winkler.

00:47:00.000 I shot a movie with him right there.

00:47:01.000 Here comes the boom.

00:47:03.000 Super nice guy.

00:47:04.000 And he was telling me that he was doing constantly auditions.

00:47:07.000 Nothing worked.

00:47:09.000 He was heading out to the East Coast to do the submissions and he wanted to go back home and west coast.

00:47:14.000 And he said to me, I was in the car driving back to the airport.

00:47:18.000 I wanted out.

00:47:19.000 I never wanted to act anymore.

00:47:21.000 And he got that one phone call.

00:47:23.000 And they said, you got to go back.

00:47:24.000 You got to go in for this.

00:47:25.000 It's a few lines only.

00:47:26.000 It was a very small one.

00:47:28.000 And it was the fonts in happy days.

00:47:30.000 And he went back, he got the part, and then he became the star of the show.

00:47:35.000 You see, and I think there's books out there.

00:47:37.000 And I remember this guy gave me the book, The Icon, I believe it's called this brushstroke, a white brushstroke that goes up.

00:47:43.000 And he gave me the book, and there's a dot in the corner.

00:47:46.000 And immediately I tell him, I say, this is where the people, normal people quit, right?

00:47:49.000 He goes, how do you know?

00:47:50.000 That's what the book is about.

00:47:51.000 I go, because if you push a little further, then the universe is going to go, okay, you pushed enough.

00:47:57.000 You're off to the races.

00:47:59.000 Now let's see what you've made of.

00:48:01.000 And I think that is with everything that you put your heart and mind in.

00:48:04.000 You know, you struggle first.

00:48:05.000 And the devil tried to stop me.

00:48:07.000 I lost my jobs.

00:48:08.000 I lost a lot of stuff, a lot of money. 0.99

00:48:10.000 And then suddenly it was like, oh, shit, he's not changing. 0.99

00:48:13.000 You know, I can't do anything. 0.99

00:48:14.000 He's only increasing his faith.

00:48:16.000 And that's when he left me alone.

00:48:18.000 And then everything started coming up again.

00:48:20.000 And now I'm great right now.

00:48:23.000 Everything is just amazing.

00:48:24.000 And the same with the ablation.

00:48:25.000 You start thinking, listen, God has a plan.

00:48:27.000 Everything happens for a reason.

00:48:29.000 Do not be afraid, right?

00:48:31.000 365 times it's in the Bible.

00:48:33.000 Do not be afraid.

00:48:34.000 And that's what I think now.

00:48:35.000 You know, with the ablation, all this stuff might happen.

00:48:37.000 Sure, I have my friends praying on me, but I go, it's all part of the plan.

00:48:41.000 If I have to go, it's his plan.

00:48:42.000 There cannot be a better plan for me.

00:48:45.000 So I just go with it.

00:48:46.000 And that's really helping me right now with all these little things that are happening in my life.

00:48:51.000 If something stressful happens, I just, well, God has a plan.

00:48:55.000 How do you manage the apparent contradiction between allowing God to use you and the requirement to be persistent, to push past where most people might concede or submit?

00:49:11.000 How do you reconcile that, Bas?

00:49:15.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:49:16.000 I knew you were going to ask that.

00:49:19.000 I think where the people who golf, they don't really love it.

00:49:22.000 They do it for the wrong reasons.

00:49:24.000 That's what I believe.

00:49:25.000 I just fell in love with it.

00:49:28.000 Like, I didn't want to do anything else.

00:49:31.000 And I think he sees that.

00:49:32.000 Like, working out for me, I have, I know, fighters.

00:49:35.000 Quinton Jackson, he talks about he hates training.

00:49:38.000 I go, dude, that's a hard job.

00:49:40.000 I would love training.

00:49:41.000 Every morning I wake up, okay, at four o'clock, I eat freaking six or eight sandwiches, go back to bed, so it's digested.

00:49:48.000 And then I go up at seven and we start training, looking forward to training.

00:49:51.000 What can I figure out?

00:49:52.000 That's the thing another deal with submissions.

00:49:55.000 You'll never master it.

00:49:57.000 You'll never master it.

00:49:58.000 There's always new stuff that comes up.

00:50:00.000 People are like, well, how did I not know this?

00:50:02.000 Like these little tiny tweaks, you know, and that's the cool part about it.

00:50:05.000 So I think once you love it, you get it.

00:50:08.000 But I think once you want to have it for the wrong reasons, for the fame, for the money, for the, like in my days, there was no money.

00:50:14.000 I mean, my fight in the UFC, I made $55,000.

00:50:17.000 They go like, that's it?

00:50:19.000 I go, well, at that time, you had to fight three times and then win the tournament to get $50,000.

00:50:25.000 So for me, at that time, I was a very high-paid fighter because I came from Japan where I already beat a bunch of UFC guys.

00:50:32.000 And that's why they wanted me in the UFC.

00:50:34.000 You see, but now it's, of course, it's much more money.

00:50:36.000 But we weren't fighting for the money because the $5,500,000.

00:50:40.000 Let's be honest, what do you keep from it?

00:50:41.000 You pay your manager, you pay your notes.

00:50:43.000 There's a lot of stuff that goes out of it constantly.

00:50:45.000 You have to get your body fixed.

00:50:47.000 That costs money.

00:50:48.000 You got the good food, the good proteins, all this stuff.

00:50:51.000 Everything costs money.

00:50:52.000 So you don't do it for the money, you do for the love of the sport.

00:50:55.000 And I think truly the champions that you see right now here, that separates them.

00:50:59.000 You know, they do it because they love it.

00:51:01.000 It's been encapsulated in them.

00:51:02.000 And there's always some of these guys that just want it for the status.

00:51:07.000 They want to say, I'm a cage fighter.

00:51:08.000 I hate it when people say I'm a cage fighter.

00:51:10.000 You're a mixed martial artist.

00:51:11.000 That's what you're not a cage fighter. 1.00

00:51:13.000 It's such a stupid word. 1.00

00:51:14.000 It's like attention. 1.00

00:51:15.000 Look at me.

00:51:15.000 I'm a courage fighter.

00:51:16.000 You know, it's a stupid thing to say. 0.97

00:51:18.000 You see, and those guys, most of the time, that's what I believe, they're not going to make it because they're doing it to project into, oh, hey, look how cool I am. 0.99

00:51:26.000 And I think that's in everything.

00:51:27.000 You know, some kids get pushed into football.

00:51:30.000 They don't really want it.

00:51:31.000 And then at the critical moment, maybe they don't make it.

00:51:34.000 But it's because they never really wanted it.

00:51:36.000 It was just because their dad really forced it upon them.

00:51:39.000 I think it has something to do with that.

00:51:41.000 We're going to have a quick word from one of our partners now.

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00:52:38.000 Do you feel like we are living in an age of bewilderment and confusion and overstimulation?

00:52:43.000 That there's a sustained sense of panic in the world now, both culturally and politically.

00:52:49.000 And if you do believe that bewilderment is real, certainly what I believe, and I feel like a really good example of it was the Olympic opening ceremony.

00:52:56.000 Like, why bother to create a sort of a pageant of blasphemy other than to sort of suggest that nothing is sacred?

00:53:03.000 And if nothing is sacred, all that really exists are your urges.

00:53:06.000 All that exists are those wrong motives that you've described a lot, Bas, like just pursuing things because you think it will make you feel good.

00:53:13.000 And I spent a lot of my life thinking that the purpose and point of my life was my own satisfaction or my own aggrandizement.

00:53:22.000 And sometimes I still drift to that.

00:53:25.000 If I don't surrender resolutely to him moment to moment, I kind of feel myself drifting back into, this is what I want.

00:53:32.000 This is what I'm afraid of.

00:53:33.000 This is what, you know, I drift back into false idolatry.

00:53:37.000 Do you think that the culture is creating an environment of bewilderment, of delirium, so that false idols and false motives can succeed?

00:53:47.000 And if you do agree with that, how are you managing your, like now you're more involved in business?

00:53:54.000 For example, the O2 trainer that you invented, which increases lung capacity, which I could do because I have amphycema, by the way, and I could do a bit more stamina.

00:54:03.000 I roll a little bit as a hobby, you know, I'm a purple belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:54:07.000 I do jiu-jitsu as a hobby.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, thanks.

00:54:09.000 And I'd like to have a bit more sort of stamina.

00:54:13.000 And so how do you focus on entrepreneurialism, success, and business in a bewildering environment?

00:54:20.000 And most importantly, my initial question, do you think that the culture creates a sort of bewilderment in order to succeed and direct people towards false idolatry?

00:54:31.000 100%.

00:54:32.000 It's 100%.

00:54:33.000 You can see it.

00:54:34.000 You know, they want everybody to be weak.

00:54:36.000 Imagine you're the guy that I just said I wanted to be who have everything under control.

00:54:40.000 I use this line when I do talks and they say, what kind of man you want to be?

00:54:44.000 I want to be a man who can overcome his weaknesses, vices, and imperfections.

00:54:48.000 A man who's not a slave to his passions, emotions and desires, but a man who's simply in control of himself.

00:54:54.000 Imagine we have 40 million men like that.

00:54:59.000 You think there's going to be any control from outside forces?

00:55:02.000 There's not.

00:55:02.000 They're going to lose.

00:55:03.000 They're going to lose everything.

00:55:05.000 Right now they make everything effeminate.

00:55:07.000 You know, everything is, everything is, everything is an attachment to pleasure and an unwillingness to suffer because it's all comfort.

00:55:14.000 You know, it's too cold, it's too hot, they're overcooked, it's undercooked.

00:55:17.000 They're just constantly complaining.

00:55:19.000 And the more they complain, the more it gets.

00:55:20.000 So 100%, because a population that cannot think, you know, and we see this a lot, they simply cannot think anymore because the emotions are out of freaking control, the emotional boundaries are completely shut.

00:55:33.000 That's an easy crowd to control.

00:55:36.000 But once these people, and you see it already, people start to change.

00:55:40.000 I have people from Holland calling me who go back to the church.

00:55:43.000 I have Muslim people calling me, man, I saw your comeback story and I was always in limbo already what I needed to do.

00:55:50.000 And I became a full-on Catholic.

00:55:53.000 So it starts happening.

00:55:54.000 People start seeing it.

00:55:56.000 Who wants a man who puts a video somewhere, you see him pressing hit and it goes, ah, he's screaming.

00:56:04.000 And then he pushes those and he posts it.

00:56:07.000 Ladies, he's available.

00:56:08.000 I'm pretty sure there's nobody who wants that guy.

00:56:11.000 So we want weak people who don't think anymore and just do whatever the forces here are saying to do.

00:56:19.000 And if you listen to that, that KGB, I'm pretty sure you heard that, the guy when he said how to get the whole country weak, you know, and everything he says, oh, actually, there's a better one. 0.92

00:56:31.000 If you were the devil, you know, how would you do it?

00:56:34.000 And if you Google that, every point he hits, it's exactly how the whole thing is working right now.

00:56:41.000 Every single one of them.

00:56:42.000 You make a week by this, you make a week that can be anything they want.

00:56:46.000 You cannot be anything you want.

00:56:47.000 I want to be a jet fighter pilot.

00:56:49.000 I can't. 0.90

00:56:49.000 With my ADD, I crashed the freaking thing right away. 0.90

00:56:51.000 You know, so there's things you don't got to know, your limits. 0.82

00:56:54.000 If you're completely overweight, you want to be an athlete, you're going to have to work.

00:56:57.000 Read the book, You Can't Hurt Me, you know, from Goggins.

00:57:01.000 Read that.

00:57:02.000 You know, that actually, that guy inspires me because he said I was fat.

00:57:06.000 And no, you can't say anything.

00:57:08.000 He says, no, you've got to say that you're fat because it is fat.

00:57:11.000 And once you said, oh, I'm overweight, you know, they tried to pat everything down.

00:57:14.000 It's okay.

00:57:15.000 It's not okay.

00:57:16.000 It's unhealthy for you.

00:57:17.000 If you really love your family, why do you keep on eating?

00:57:20.000 Because it's really hard.

00:57:22.000 You're going to have a less life here.

00:57:25.000 You're going to take a lot of years of your life.

00:57:26.000 So your family cannot see you.

00:57:28.000 So do you really love your family?

00:57:30.000 Yeah, that's easy for you to say, boss, because you can eat whatever you want.

00:57:33.000 Yeah, but I got different vices.

00:57:35.000 There we go.

00:57:36.000 We all have our vices.

00:57:37.000 And we try to control them.

00:57:38.000 And it's very hard to control them.

00:57:40.000 But we do it.

00:57:41.000 You do it.

00:57:41.000 And every day you do it, you get stronger.

00:57:43.000 That's the cool thing about creating virtue, right?

00:57:48.000 Every time you say no, you're getting stronger.

00:57:51.000 Every time you say yes to it, you're getting weaker.

00:57:53.000 So vices make you weaker.

00:57:55.000 And we know this.

00:57:56.000 That's addiction.

00:57:56.000 That's everything, mental, everything.

00:57:58.000 And virtue makes you stronger.

00:58:00.000 So yeah, 100% it's a design.

00:58:03.000 But it really works now with me also in business, of course, you know, because now I understand I have to know everything about breathing, what you're talking about, Yoto Trainer, in order to bring it over to the people.

00:58:15.000 Because there were things that I got like, you know, if you tell a person how your lungs don't do anything, you know, they're just too bags.

00:58:23.000 There's no muscle in the lung.

00:58:24.000 If you can't expand your chest, you can't breathe.

00:58:27.000 People go, what?

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 Your lungs actually breathe by chest expansion.

00:58:32.000 And that expansion is done by your diaphragm and your intercostal muscles.

00:58:35.000 And that expansion creates a vacuum between the body and the lungs.

00:58:38.000 And that vacuum, that opens up the lungs.

00:58:41.000 So now it's a really crazy thing to say.

00:58:43.000 So when your chest expands, it's not because you put air in it.

00:58:47.000 When your chest expands, that's how you pull the air in.

00:58:50.000 And once people start seeing that and realizing they have 11 pounds of breathing muscles that you can actually work out and make stronger, that's why all the Olympians are doing it.

00:59:00.000 It's called the Spiritory Muscle Training.

00:59:02.000 Then you go, oh, okay, see, but I have to learn everything.

00:59:06.000 I want to learn how the lungs work, the alveolus, what they're doing.

00:59:09.000 The three parts of the lungs, the bronchus and the secondary bronchia, the tertiary bronchia, all these things I want to know.

00:59:16.000 But now I know that I have to understand it in order to go to a person that goes, dude, you know a lot about breathing.

00:59:21.000 I go, yeah, because I dove into it.

00:59:23.000 Before, I wouldn't do that.

00:59:24.000 I would just roll with the punches.

00:59:26.000 Now it's like studying, studying, studying.

00:59:28.000 So you build up a discipline, right?

00:59:32.000 And discipline.

00:59:34.000 It's what they say with, what is the most important for a man to have?

00:59:39.000 And I always say it's strength.

00:59:40.000 And they go like, oh, because I was strong.

00:59:42.000 No, no.

00:59:43.000 Because it takes strength to have humility, right?

00:59:45.000 To have patience, all these things.

00:59:47.000 All everything.

00:59:48.000 Every cardinal virtue, temperance, prudence, justice, fortitude, all the sub-virtures.

00:59:51.000 It all takes a lot of strength.

00:59:53.000 And now to fight the seven deadly sins, pride, wrath, greed, envy, lust, sloth, gluttony.

01:00:00.000 I mean, they're all ramping right now at 100% in the world, all of them.

01:00:04.000 You know?

01:00:05.000 And it takes strength in order to do that.

01:00:07.000 And with strength comes discipline.

01:00:09.000 And then discipline.

01:00:10.000 Yeah, discipline is actually the highest form of self-love that somebody can have.

01:00:14.000 Because discipline is saying no to certain things.

01:00:17.000 You want to be a champion?

01:00:18.000 Well, for a few years, I can't do all these things in order to get something better later on.

01:00:23.000 So discipline reveals a commitment you make to yourself.

01:00:27.000 You make a commitment.

01:00:28.000 And then the future you is, depending on the current you, that you better do what you said you were going to do.

01:00:33.000 And I think once you see that and you just put some discipline in there, let's start with one thing.

01:00:39.000 That's the problem with people.

01:00:40.000 I have, I think, 20 vices.

01:00:42.000 Take one.

01:00:43.000 Don't take the biggest one yet.

01:00:45.000 Now, most of the time, alcohol is the biggest one because I can count on one or two hands the amount of drugs that I did without drinking. 0.99

01:00:51.000 So for me, alcohol was the first one to get out of there because then I don't make these stupid decisions anymore. 0.96

01:00:57.000 Okay, now the drugs was much easier. 0.99

01:00:59.000 Okay, that goes away.

01:00:59.000 Now the anger.

01:01:00.000 Oh, that goes away.

01:01:01.000 You see, every time you just take one thing.

01:01:03.000 And I say this with training too.

01:01:05.000 You need to work on this, this, this, this.

01:01:07.000 And they try to fix it in a week.

01:01:09.000 You're not.

01:01:09.000 Why don't you spend two weeks on one thing?

01:01:11.000 You know, constantly, three times a day.

01:01:14.000 Then once that is done, got it.

01:01:15.000 Go up to the next thing.

01:01:17.000 Baby steps, man.

01:01:18.000 We all want to make it a race because that's how we're wired, right?

01:01:21.000 It's all the short-term expansion span that we have.

01:01:25.000 We're learned that we want everything right now.

01:01:27.000 It's like the O2 trainer.

01:01:28.000 Somebody does it for two days.

01:01:30.000 It doesn't work.

01:01:30.000 I go, you've been breathing long your entire life.

01:01:33.000 You know?

01:01:34.000 No, well, actually not from five and a half years of age.

01:01:36.000 Because when you're baby, you're breathing perfectly diaphragmatic.

01:01:39.000 Everything is perfect.

01:01:40.000 Well, once you start going to school, you know, and that's around the age of five and a half, that's when, you know, you see other girls.

01:01:46.000 And then you go, wait a minute.

01:01:47.000 If I keep breathing through my belly, they might think I'm fat.

01:01:50.000 All these little things, like the doctor put the stethoscope here.

01:01:52.000 Take a deep breath.

01:01:53.000 This is not where your lungs are.

01:01:54.000 Your lungs are here.

01:01:55.000 You know?

01:01:56.000 But you think, oh, this is where my lungs are.

01:01:57.000 All these things are sitting and belts and all that stuff.

01:02:00.000 Takes the diaphragmatic breath away.

01:02:02.000 You start breathing by your shoulders.

01:02:03.000 Now, four to six of these shoulder breaths is the same as one diaphragmatic breath.

01:02:07.000 Take the lowest number four times.

01:02:09.000 So you can't pull enough air in.

01:02:11.000 Four times doing this is the same as one time doing it correctly.

01:02:14.000 And then you say, yeah, but I do the Botteco technique.

01:02:17.000 And I do Wim Hof.

01:02:18.000 And I do this.

01:02:19.000 Doesn't matter.

01:02:19.000 It's all good.

01:02:21.000 This strengthens those breathing muscles.

01:02:23.000 So whatever you're using, it strengthens those muscles.

01:02:27.000 There's over 2,000 published medical journals about this thing.

01:02:29.000 Why do you think?

01:02:30.000 And why do you think breathing is important?

01:02:32.000 Here we go.

01:02:33.000 Aramaic and Hebrew.

01:02:34.000 And breath is the same as spirit.

01:02:36.000 Right?

01:02:36.000 That word is, it's all connected.

01:02:39.000 Once you control the breathing.

01:02:41.000 Here we go.

01:02:41.000 In my, which I didn't know at the time because I wasn't focusing on breathing.

01:02:45.000 Right?

01:02:46.000 So in fighting, I would be in the dressing room.

01:02:49.000 And I had this weird thing that I would do.

01:02:51.000 I would breathe in for like four seconds.

01:02:53.000 And I go, with a very low tone, I let my belly vibrate.

01:03:00.000 But the exhale was automatically longer because I'm humming it out.

01:03:04.000 And then it would breathe in again.

01:03:05.000 And then if I had a headache, I would do the same thing with a high tone in my skull.

01:03:09.000 So my skull would vibrate.

01:03:11.000 Listen, I was always super calm.

01:03:14.000 Now, many years later, I realized I was stimulating the vagus nerve, the vagus nerve.

01:03:19.000 They say, the vagus nerve is also called the wonder.

01:03:22.000 It's the 10th cranial nerve that goes through all the body.

01:03:24.000 And it's actually involved in all the crazy actions that you don't know you're doing.

01:03:28.000 Like blinking, reading, sniffing, watching, looking, hearing your lungs, your heart, digestion, all the stuff that you don't focus on, but it automatically does.

01:03:39.000 Now, that is also involved in the parasympathetic nervous system, which is a nervous system that calms you down.

01:03:46.000 And there's four ways to stimulate that vagus nerve.

01:03:49.000 There's splashing cold water in your face.

01:03:51.000 There's putting, this is a weird one, Q-tips in your ears and you start massaging your eardrums on the back and the Indian side. 1.00

01:03:57.000 And then there's singing, there's humming and one breathing technique, four seconds in, eight seconds out.

01:04:03.000 Now, so unknowingly, all the way back in Japan in 93, I was connecting two.

01:04:09.000 I was the humming and the breathing.

01:04:11.000 I was doing that simultaneously.

01:04:12.000 And that's why I was always so calm.

01:04:15.000 So that's the cool part from all these things that I, now, for instance, chest expansion, right?

01:04:20.000 That, that's how you breathe.

01:04:22.000 I had a move, which I won with, which a lot of fighters are using right now, where I wrap somebody and I got him in a scarf hold.

01:04:29.000 I grab his leg and then I push my knees together.

01:04:31.000 I wrap him around my body and he can't expand his chest anymore.

01:04:35.000 It stops him from breathing.

01:04:36.000 It doesn't hurt him, but.

01:04:38.000 if he just inhaled he can only hold that move for as long as he can hold his breath as soon as he exhales he can't inhale anymore and I started tapping people with that and then Fidel started using it now I know I was stopping his chest from expansion you know so he couldn't breathe you see all these things that I was doing unknown and good now I realize oh it had all had a reason it was the vagus nerve that I was stimulating with humming and with with the breathing part, and it freaking worked.

01:05:04.000 So, it made such an impact on me.

01:05:06.000 Once I start breathing and using all my 360 degrees breathing muscles around my body, dude, my stamina now is like crazy compared to what it was.

01:05:15.000 You see me in World Title V breathing like this.

01:05:18.000 Now I come off on a hard round, it's literally this.

01:05:22.000 And every time I go like, this is so crazy.

01:05:24.000 It's the difference is so insane.

01:05:27.000 And people don't see it.

01:05:28.000 They look at other fighters and they see a Tony Ferguson, you know, Michael Chandler, they're really great, always in stamina.

01:05:33.000 Look at their breathing when they sit down.

01:05:35.000 You won't see any chest movement.

01:05:37.000 It's only belly breathing.

01:05:39.000 That is just breathing correctly.

01:05:42.000 Now imagine strengthening those breathing muscles because this is what happens, right?

01:05:47.000 If you're running a very steep hill, this is how I explain it.

01:05:51.000 That's the easiest way to get you.

01:05:52.000 You're running a steep hill, and suddenly it feels like you get hit in the face, you start gassing.

01:05:57.000 Metaborflex, that's the word for gassing.

01:06:00.000 What happens at that moment is that your body starts redirecting oxygenated blood and it takes it away from your legs and you go, wait, I'm running.

01:06:09.000 Yeah, but it sends it to the number one priority of the body, which is breathing.

01:06:12.000 Breathing, water, food, right?

01:06:14.000 Those are the three priorities.

01:06:15.000 Three minutes without, you might be dead.

01:06:17.000 So they choose that over everything else.

01:06:21.000 Okay, good.

01:06:21.000 So now let's think about how does stamina increase?

01:06:25.000 Well, you work out really hard.

01:06:26.000 Yeah.

01:06:28.000 Well, what happens in the body?

01:06:29.000 I want to know what happens in the body.

01:06:30.000 Okay, when you work a muscle over and over again, it becomes more efficient at its job.

01:06:35.000 And the word efficient already says it.

01:06:37.000 It uses less oxygen.

01:06:39.000 Therefore, your stamina increases.

01:06:40.000 Wait, you just, what if I work out those 11 parts of breathing muscles, so they don't have to steal the blood anymore, which, by the way, I always say it's a medical term, blood stealing.

01:06:51.000 They don't have to steal the blood from the legs or the arms, whatever you're using at the time.

01:06:55.000 And you just can keep on going.

01:06:56.000 Boom.

01:06:57.000 And that's the inspiratory muscle training.

01:06:59.000 And that's what the O2 trainer is.

01:07:01.000 I came up with it when I was 14 because I was a track athlete.

01:07:06.000 And if I had an asthma attack for a week in bed, which was everything in bed, not able to eat, not able to drink water very easy because I couldn't freaking breathe.

01:07:18.000 But then when I resumed my track and field, I was always breaking my running times.

01:07:22.000 And I go, what is going on?

01:07:24.000 Maybe it's the medication.

01:07:25.000 What's going on?

01:07:25.000 I didn't know what it was.

01:07:26.000 And then I went to the doctor's office, saw a drawing of a pair of lungs on the wall, and it showed the bronchial tubes.

01:07:32.000 And it was an infected bronchial tube.

01:07:34.000 And it was a healthy bronchial tube.

01:07:36.000 And that was it.

01:07:37.000 I go, dude, I've been working out my lungs because that's, I thought, my lungs were doing the work at the time, through an infected area, you know, so I unknowingly made them stronger over the last seven days, 24-7.

01:07:48.000 Okay, so why don't I come up with something that controls the air intake?

01:07:52.000 And I got these washes, bolts, washers, nuts, you know, like these round things with a hole in it.

01:07:57.000 I start putting it in front of my mouth and tried to breathe through it.

01:08:00.000 Don't do that, right?

01:08:01.000 Because once you start and you open your mouth, it shoots in your lung.

01:08:04.000 If it bypasses into a bronchial tube, you're dead.

01:08:07.000 Can't time dig it out, you die.

01:08:08.000 You know, so don't do that.

01:08:10.000 But that was the idea.

01:08:11.000 And then many years later, I started making it.

01:08:14.000 And I used to have an inhaler with me everywhere I went, every fight, everywhere I go, an inhaler in my pocket.

01:08:20.000 If I sneeze violently three times, a lot of asthma patients have this.

01:08:24.000 You have to open up your lungs.

01:08:26.000 Three and a half weeks with the prototype, gone.

01:08:29.000 I never use an inhaler anymore.

01:08:30.000 I go, whoa, said it to my buddy in Holland.

01:08:33.000 I said, use this thing.

01:08:35.000 I know he has asthma, but I didn't tell him anything.

01:08:37.000 Eight days later, he calls me because my asthma is going.

01:08:39.000 I go, oh, we're up to something.

01:08:41.000 I didn't know inspiratory muscle training.

01:08:42.000 I thought I invented it, but I didn't invent it.

01:08:45.000 And then he starts selling it in Europe.

01:08:47.000 And then it started picking up steam.

01:08:49.000 And then once it didn't really pick up steam, it doesn't kill a fighter.

01:08:53.000 And people think, you know, you don't know.

01:08:55.000 But then I went to a breathing doctor and that changed everything.

01:08:59.000 She comes in and she measured my chest expansion.

01:09:02.000 She says, exhale, now inhale.

01:09:05.000 And she goes, yeah, she started laughing.

01:09:06.000 That's not possible.

01:09:08.000 And I go, okay, so she does it again.

01:09:10.000 And then she goes, wait.

01:09:11.000 And she runs out, comes back with another doctor.

01:09:13.000 And I go, oh, it's either really bad or really good, right?

01:09:16.000 He goes, if I don't bring him, he's not going to believe it.

01:09:18.000 I go, what's going on?

01:09:19.000 Well, normally somebody brings the chest expansion by like an eighth of an inch.

01:09:23.000 You just almost went two inches further than everybody else.

01:09:26.000 How is that possible?

01:09:27.000 And I pulled the thing.

01:09:28.000 I said, I'm using this thing.

01:09:30.000 And then she started using it.

01:09:32.000 And then she put it in a book.

01:09:33.000 And then things, people started, oh, it's real.

01:09:36.000 And then I found all these published medical journals.

01:09:38.000 So now it's not me saying it.

01:09:40.000 Now it's over 2,000 published medical journals saying what it does.

01:09:43.000 And it's going to help you as well.

01:09:44.000 I'll send you one.

01:09:46.000 Yeah, please.

01:09:46.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 How does it look?

01:09:48.000 What do you do?

01:09:48.000 Do you put that bit in your mouth?

01:09:49.000 The bit looks like a gum shield.

01:09:51.000 How does it work?

01:09:52.000 It's a very simple concept.

01:09:54.000 So here's a flap that opens up if I breathe out.

01:09:58.000 So the exhale is completely without resistance.

01:10:02.000 This is important, by the way, because a lot of people say you have to do resistance in and out.

01:10:06.000 Not good.

01:10:07.000 All the tests say that doesn't really work.

01:10:09.000 Now, if you separate both exercises, then it becomes really good.

01:10:13.000 Because if you breathe out with resistance, you can't really empty out everything.

01:10:17.000 So you want to completely empty yourself and then you start inhaling.

01:10:21.000 It comes with some exercises, but in the beginning, just sit still.

01:10:34.000 And you literally do this for 30 repetitions only.

01:10:36.000 Guys, this is four, four and a half minutes a day.

01:10:39.000 And it will dramatically change everything it does.

01:10:42.000 Now, of course, it comes with two exercises.

01:10:44.000 One is to attack the front breathing muscles and there's one to attack the back breathing muscles.

01:10:48.000 And that gives you that 360 circumferential breathing around the body.

01:10:53.000 And it just changes right away everything.

01:10:56.000 And this thing will also force you to breathe the correct way.

01:10:59.000 Because if I'm trying to raise my shoulders, pulling in on a high intensity tiny hole that I have here, you're not going to be able to pull it in because you need more power.

01:11:09.000 Therefore, you're going to need your real breathing muscles, which are your diaphragm and your gut and your intercostals.

01:11:14.000 So it forces you to breathe correctly by prohibiting your potential to breathe badly.

01:11:21.000 So you, and what are the exercises that locate it at the front or rear?

01:11:28.000 Okay, so that's a weird thing to do.

01:11:30.000 I'm going to try it.

01:11:31.000 I'm going to put my thing to the side because you see, you already feel it.

01:11:34.000 When Joe did it, he goes, I feel much as I've never felt before.

01:11:38.000 And you're going to feel that too.

01:11:39.000 I had literally bodybuilders buying it now for their abs.

01:11:43.000 If you see my core, it all sticks out here at the front because the diaphragm is located at the bottom, it's attached to the bottom of your rib cage.

01:11:51.000 Your diaphragm for the people at home because then you have an idea how it works.

01:11:54.000 This is kind of a diaphragm. 0.76

01:11:55.000 I know it's a freaking vegetable steamer, but they will bring it home, right?

01:11:59.000 The diaphragm is like this, a thin dome-shaped muscle tendon. 0.91

01:12:03.000 It's only four millimeters thick, but it's super strong.

01:12:05.000 And what it does, it drops down every time.

01:12:07.000 Now, imagine this part, the outside part, being attached to the bottom of my rib cage.

01:12:12.000 When it drops down, from that angle, doesn't do a lot.

01:12:14.000 From this angle, this is what it does in the body.

01:12:17.000 It expands your chest.

01:12:19.000 That together with your intercostals, that does the chest expansion.

01:12:23.000 By the way, when you're the age of 28, you already start declining.

01:12:28.000 When I was 58, I would have lost almost a liter for my six liters that I have.

01:12:34.000 Why?

01:12:35.000 Because your chest starts calcifying and it starts becoming less elastic unless you do breathing exercises with it.

01:12:41.000 And then you do it, you'll bring it back.

01:12:43.000 So I sit to the side.

01:12:45.000 What I'm doing here is I exhale, then I bend on diaphragm level because that will push all the air out.

01:12:52.000 I lean over, I start inhaling, and then I come up slowly and I try to time it as such a way that once I sit up straight, this is the end of my inhale.

01:13:00.000 And I really try to feel my body expand.

01:13:03.000 So and then you continue.

01:13:16.000 Now, the other exercise, and I can see if I can do it like that, it's really weird.

01:13:20.000 It's much easier.

01:13:22.000 Again, I squeeze my shoulder blades also together because that pushes a lot of air out.

01:13:27.000 And then I lean on a table or on your knees in this case, and you just relax every muscle in the body.

01:13:34.000 The only thing you're going to focus on is your back muscles at the lower part of your rib cage to expand.

01:13:39.000 And you'll be amazed.

01:13:40.000 And for the people who do this for the first time, do not do 30 reps because the next day, these muscles you never used, you're really going to feel it.

01:13:48.000 Like your muscle aches are going to be insane.

01:13:51.000 So I'm doing this.

01:13:59.000 And I just focus on that back part to expand.

01:14:02.000 And it's really weird how the mind works.

01:14:04.000 That again is that vagus nerve that sends those signals to your back as well.

01:14:10.000 And you will immediately feel no pressure here, but only on the back.

01:14:14.000 But like I said before, watch out with this one.

01:14:16.000 When I did it the first time, I was like, it felt like I worked out my back muscles really hard.

01:14:22.000 You're going to be in pain for a few days.

01:14:25.000 Yeah, I want to do it.

01:14:26.000 I want to do it.

01:14:26.000 I think it will help.

01:14:27.000 Like, I do like hot yoga and I do jiu-jitsu.

01:14:32.000 And I've been involved in, like, and I did, I don't do Wim Hoff stuff.

01:14:36.000 And this other brilliant breathing exercise that I do, man, which is like, it's not, it's not a health.

01:14:41.000 It's more like a consciousness one.

01:14:43.000 And like, it really helps Holy Spirit.

01:14:45.000 This is like this woman called Biet Simpkin. 0.83

01:14:47.000 And what she does is you sit on your knees with your heels at your butt, you know, like a kneeling position.

01:14:53.000 And you do three inhales, right?

01:14:55.000 And it's interesting.

01:14:56.000 You'll probably understand the respiratory dynamics of this.

01:14:58.000 The inhale is quite strong and the exhale is very soft.

01:15:04.000 You do three, just three reps like that.

01:15:06.000 And on the fourth rep, you go from being on your, with your butt on your heels to sort of standing on your knees, you know? 0.99

01:15:12.000 So you go from being like, oh, fuck, just give myself. 0.99

01:15:16.000 Baz, I've given myself serious cramp. 1.00

01:15:19.000 Very serious cramp.

01:15:21.000 Oh, magnesium.

01:15:24.000 I need magnesium and I need it bad.

01:15:25.000 I need electrolytes.

01:15:26.000 Anyway, I go from being on like on my butt to a standing, like, you know, camel position in yoga.

01:15:33.000 And you just take a strong inhale and you're pushing your chin back and you're pushing your chest out.

01:15:40.000 And I swear, I think maybe it shuts down the systems of the ego and the self, but there is still a remnant consciousness.

01:15:49.000 And that remnant consciousness, I consider to be the unindividuated consciousness, like it's pure flow.

01:15:58.000 You know, I'm just beginning it now, you know, but I realize, I feel like if you, like, that you aren't, like the where the evil one gets you is when you're in self.

01:16:10.000 And you're right.

01:16:10.000 Like, you know, there's sort of, yeah, the blood of Christ, the healing blood of him.

01:16:16.000 But the Holy Spirit is what he gave us as a result of bleeding that blood, the Holy Spirit.

01:16:21.000 And the Spirit must be closer to breath.

01:16:23.000 And as you say, breath, yeah, yeah, free was it, three days without water, three weeks without food, three minutes without breath.

01:16:30.000 It's everything.

01:16:33.000 I would love one of those devices, please, because I think I'll do that, especially if it's like four minutes.

01:16:38.000 That's an easy thing to put into your routine in the morning.

01:16:42.000 Well, it sounds easy for everybody who's talking right now, but here we go again.

01:16:46.000 Society gets so weak that they go because you're going to feel this.

01:16:50.000 You're going to start sweating.

01:16:51.000 Like, that's why I use the paper towel now, because I already start feeling it, because your core gets really thick and it's all around those breathing muscles, about the diaphragm.

01:17:01.000 In the beginning, we talk about belly breathing, but that's kind of, we just say that, to get your mind away from the chest breathing.

01:17:07.000 And once the belly breathing is there, then you will start focusing on the bottom part of your rib cage because that's where the real diaphragm is and that pushes it out.

01:17:16.000 I do now want laying down, like in a little bit of an incline.

01:17:20.000 And those two muscles, I have made a video about it.

01:17:24.000 It's going to be posted. 0.66

01:17:25.000 You watch, you can see the breathing muscles because I've been doing this for shit since 2018 now, every day. 0.76

01:17:32.000 So these muscles just get really, really strong.

01:17:36.000 But like you said, it's very important, even when you do those exercises with breathing, to keep breathing using the lower part.

01:17:44.000 Do not raise your shoulder.

01:17:45.000 Like if I tell a person, take a deep breath now and they go, that's completely wrong.

01:17:50.000 If you do that, this thing is going to change your life. 0.80

01:17:52.000 You're going to be insane.

01:17:54.000 Yeah, Bass.

01:17:55.000 Thanks, man.

01:17:56.000 That was an amazing conversation.

01:17:58.000 I really appreciate your time.

01:18:00.000 I see what I learned is that there's when you have raw potential running through you, if that potential is not tutored and directed, it will destroy you.

01:18:12.000 I think this is a strong characteristic of addiction, but it's also amazing that in faith and through Christ, it can be directed.

01:18:20.000 I don't know that there's another way of doing it.

01:18:22.000 I don't think you can do it the new age way.

01:18:24.000 I don't think you can do it through Buddhism.

01:18:27.000 But like, you know, like how you said, like with the virtues, like if you're willing to get into the architecture and, you know, deep theology, there are ways of, you know, it's all covered.

01:18:38.000 It's all covered.

01:18:39.000 The ways of bringing forth, whether it's via saints or whether it's via the virtues or whatever other somewhat esoteric values you bring to the forefront, there are ways of directing that potential through Christ and through his church.

01:18:56.000 Yeah, it's very easy.

01:18:59.000 You have to understand God wants you the very best person that you can be.

01:19:03.000 Mind and body, and that's automatically your soul, right?

01:19:06.000 So whatever he says will get you in the best shape possible.

01:19:10.000 So make sure that you just do the work.

01:19:12.000 You got to stop all these, follow the virtues, the cardinal virtues, the most crazy ones.

01:19:17.000 Of course, faith, hope, charity, the theological ones are very important, but the cardinal virtues, the prudence, the justice, the temperance, the fortitude, especially fortitude.

01:19:25.000 We need that at the moment.

01:19:26.000 Perseverance in the face of the archers, right?

01:19:28.000 Can we keep on going, keep on going?

01:19:30.000 And once you be able to push that away and you just have your goal, that's it.

01:19:35.000 I mean, there's no limit to what we can do when it's your gift that you receive from God.

01:19:41.000 Because you can be, like I said, anybody you want.

01:19:44.000 You have to find something that you truly want to be, want to do in your life.

01:19:49.000 If you say, okay, I want to do this for the rest of my life, then focus on that and give it everything you got.

01:19:55.000 But don't have ulterior motives.

01:19:59.000 Don't do it for O de Fame.

01:20:00.000 That's like everybody wants to be a YouTube star now because it's easy money and you just have to film and do crazy.

01:20:06.000 Don't do that.

01:20:06.000 And if you do that, and if you are that person, then do it correctly.

01:20:10.000 Go in 100%.

01:20:12.000 And it takes a long time.

01:20:13.000 How long did it take for Joe to take off for this podcast, right?

01:20:17.000 It takes time.

01:20:18.000 But if you're persistent and you're good at what you're doing and you're going to find out if you're good, you know, then it's, but if it's your wish and you love it, most of the time you will be good because people can tell that you love it.

01:20:31.000 Like, I love this.

01:20:32.000 Change my life.

01:20:33.000 Just breathing.

01:20:34.000 I go, there's nothing that you can ask.

01:20:36.000 Well, there's, of course, things that I don't know yet, but I just know a lot about it.

01:20:41.000 And I think, just do that.

01:20:42.000 And then you're going to be just fine.

01:20:44.000 Everybody could do it.

01:20:45.000 Oh, God bless you, Bas.

01:20:46.000 Thank you for your time.

01:20:47.000 Praise the Lord.

01:20:48.000 And I'm very grateful to you making time in your day for us.

01:20:51.000 Thank you.

01:20:52.000 I appreciate you, my friend.

01:20:54.000 Thank you so much.

01:20:57.000 Well, thank you very much for joining me for that conversation with Bass Rutten.

01:21:00.000 There's a link in the description if you want to acquire Bass's device.

01:21:03.000 I'm going to go now and watch a bunch of his fights.

01:21:05.000 I like to sound at that half-hour one in Japan.

01:21:08.000 That sounds amazing.

01:21:08.000 Excuse me.

01:21:09.000 I'm out of my mind.

01:21:10.000 The reason that Nurse Nick is here really is because I've got an IV in my nothing but pure morphine running through that. 0.98

01:21:17.000 It helps me relax.

01:21:18.000 I must say I want to thank our sponsors today, the Sackler family and Purdue Pharma, for all of the fentanyl coursing through my veins.

01:21:26.000 That's fentalicious.

01:21:28.000 Do enjoy yourself some of that.

01:21:29.000 Thanks for joining us.

01:21:30.000 We'll be back tomorrow for our watch along where we're watching Keith Allen's film on Princess Diana.

01:21:35.000 It's an amazing documentary.

01:21:37.000 He's banned almost everywhere.

01:21:38.000 You will love it.

01:21:40.000 See you tomorrow.

01:21:40.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 09, 2025

Fighting the Devil and Winning – Bas Rutten on Faith, Demons, and Discipline - SF611

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