Stay Free - Russel Brand - Frank Turek on Charlie Kirk, Faith & Today’s Battle for Truth - SF643

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon.

00:00:10.000 Controversial conspiracy theories.

00:00:12.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand, wherever you're watching.

00:00:21.000 Let's make your way to Rumble and join us there for my conversation with Frank Turk.

00:00:25.000 Frank Turk, of course, was in the company of Charlie Kirk when he was murdered.

00:00:31.000 And in our conversation, we talk about the implications and repercussions of Charlie Kirk's murder and the exploitation of his death by in a sense, institutions and various bodies across the culture.

00:00:44.000 I, in particular, am interested in the distinction that exists between Christ's message and the political message of the Republican Party, because those are two separate things.

00:00:55.000 So let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that perspective.

00:00:57.000 I guess that's where I started.

00:00:59.000 Over the course of the conversation, we get into it.

00:01:01.000 And towards the end, he talks in more detail about his feelings around some of the conspiracy theories and the utilisation and mobilisation.

00:01:09.000 By you know, many different groups when it comes to the identity of the shooter.

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00:01:20.000 And as you can see, I've got a lot of very important.

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00:01:40.000 And presumably I imagine there's things that are connected to Turning Point and Rumble are a free speech platform, and whatever you think about YouTube, and you know, I still watch YouTube sometimes.

00:01:50.000 Man, they've been captured.

00:01:52.000 I mean, if you think about YouTube, at the beginning it was meritocratic, wasn't it?

00:01:55.000 Like if you were good on YouTube and you got subscribers, people would see your content.

00:02:00.000 That's not how it is now.

00:02:02.000 They favor the same news institutions and organizations that we would call legacy media now.

00:02:08.000 That's not to say there aren't brilliant people doing extremely well on YouTube.

00:02:11.000 I count some of them among my friends.

00:02:13.000 But if you get too near the edge, if you get too near the light, as they say, you'll take a lot of flack when you're over the target, baby.

00:02:20.000 Anyway, let's get into this conversation between me and Frank Turek.

00:02:24.000 I hope you enjoy it.

00:02:28.000 What town are you in?

00:02:29.000 I live in a place called East Point, Washington, which is sort of parallel coastally to Seaside.

00:02:37.000 But where Seaside is the Gulf side, I live on the Bay side.

00:02:40.000 Yeah, it's it's a great area.

00:02:41.000 I love the panhandle.

00:02:43.000 I love the people.

00:02:44.000 I I yeah, I'm just adore it here.

00:02:47.000 I'm so I'm so happy.

00:02:49.000 And I came here by the holy hand.

00:02:52.000 Have no intention of living here.

00:02:54.000 Really, I thought I'd live somewhere, you know, plausible in Florida.

00:02:59.000 You know, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach, maybe even Sarasota, Tampa.

00:03:04.000 You know, not this place, but we came here on vacation.

00:03:09.000 Uh, my wife used to come here, it went right well, and um, I met people that I just loved, and I've come here because of the people and to be in the church here.

00:03:19.000 Beautiful.

00:03:20.000 Beautiful.

00:03:21.000 Well, you're your conversion's inspirational, man.

00:03:24.000 I love how you speak about the faith and the holy spirit and uh the fact that you know you feel like your old life is over and your new life in Christ is it's just it's flamboyant.

00:03:39.000 I love that.

00:03:40.000 Thank you.

00:03:41.000 Um actually, as a matter of fact, that's a good place for us to move forward into our conversation with.

00:03:48.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:03:49.000 And the for me, like the the presence of a you know, I hope it's not misleading when I say a kind of psychedelic Christ.

00:03:56.000 What I mean by psychedelic Christ is that, well, gosh, it might one might say that with normal, the kind of normal social consciousness, the normal cultural consciousness that I reckon the state and the culture would like you to have, i.e.

00:04:11.000 worshiping false idols, beginning with yourself, ending with perhaps some expression of a personal urge, um false gods in the culture.

00:04:20.000 The idea that uh Jesus Christ died, rose again, that I can participate in the consciousness of Christ through the Holy Spirit right Now while talking to you.

00:04:31.000 So it seems like the very kind of thing I was grasping at as a crack and heroin addict for a good many years.

00:04:37.000 And indeed, the kind of bliss through carnality that as a sex addict, uh certainly I suppose you might say an active sex addict, once a sex addict, always a sex addict, but you know, while I was pursuing carnality and the flesh, what I was longing for was this deep intimacy that I'm starting to receive in the most surprising but empirical and undeniable ways.

00:05:03.000 And I'm very grateful to have our conversation, which I reckon is obviously how can it not center around the recent murder of I'm assuming your friend uh Charlie Kirk, and a man that I knew a little, um but of course make God rest his eternal soul, and I hope that you are recovering from what must be a staggeringly traumatic event.

00:05:24.000 And I'm and my sincere prayers for you.

00:05:28.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:05:30.000 Thank you.

00:05:31.000 I want to ask, though, this already Charlie Kirk's death is not Charlie Kirk's life.

00:05:35.000 Charlie Kirk's death could be regarded as a sort of a coin, a token, and sort of an object that's being moved around in the culture in surprising ways.

00:05:45.000 Uh, someone that knew Charlie Kirk well, you must surely be surprised at the extraordinary impact of his death, even when you take into account the extraordinary impact of his life.

00:05:55.000 And anything that might be regarded disproportionate in terms of condemnation or celebration is I would say cause for analysis, unless it is um the legitimate expression of holy and divine alliance.

00:06:11.000 Because here is where Charlie's death is maybe like any other object in the culture, aside from the magnitude, which I'm not disputing or even querying.

00:06:21.000 I'm talking about the exploitation of events by the culture, how an event like a virus that might only affect people that are, you know, gosh, put quickly and bluntly, going to die anyway, is utilized to assert massive social control and move around wealth and exploit people.

00:06:40.000 I wonder what your perspective is on the response to Charlie's death.

00:06:47.000 Of course, I think we all recognize the things that are beautiful, Erica Kirk's astonishing and bold forgiveness of the murderer.

00:06:54.000 Uh, but I'm and and of course I'm fascinated by the numerous theories I'm interested in stuff like that.

00:07:00.000 But what do you feel about the way that his death has been used in by the culture?

00:07:10.000 I think that it's best summed up by my friend Pastor Jack Hibbs.

00:07:16.000 He said when he first learned of it, his granddaughter was crying and he was crying.

00:07:23.000 How often do you have a figure, Russell, who is loved by at least three generations?

00:07:31.000 A grandchild, a parent, and a grandfather are all crying over someone's death.

00:07:38.000 That rarely happens.

00:07:41.000 And Charlie was the same person off the stage as he was on the stage, except when he was on the stage, he was so confident in what he was saying because he was prepared.

00:07:55.000 But when he was off the stage, his humility was the only thing that exceeded his intelligence.

00:08:01.000 And that's why he was asking people like me and others to mentor him.

00:08:07.000 And it it could be hard, Russell, to mentor somebody smarter than you, but not with Charlie, because he was so humble that the few things I knew that he wanted to know, he asked me to teach him because he was so humble.

00:08:20.000 And that's why he was so effective.

00:08:21.000 He was so effective across generations, because he was urging the younger generation to grow up, and he was also urging the older generations to actually help the younger generations grow up and to find meaning and purpose in their lives in Christ.

00:08:41.000 That's what he was all about.

00:08:42.000 He was all about Jesus, number one.

00:08:45.000 All the politic stuff out is an outflow of his love for Jesus.

00:08:50.000 In fact, he just said about a month ago, politics is peanuts compared to Jesus.

00:08:54.000 Because politics is temporary, but Jesus is eternal.

00:08:58.000 By the way, that's one of the biggest Differences between the Christian worldview and the Marxist worldview.

00:09:03.000 In the Marxist worldview, they think the state is eternal, therefore the individuals are expendable.

00:09:08.000 In the Christian worldview, the individual is eternal, and therefore the state is ultimately expendable because the state is going to go away.

00:09:18.000 So Charlie knew that.

00:09:19.000 As much as he loved politics, because he knew that politics affected policy and policy affected people.

00:09:25.000 And as a Christian, he had to be concerned with people.

00:09:28.000 As much as he loved that, his first love was Jesus.

00:09:32.000 That's very beautiful.

00:09:33.000 Thank you, Frank.

00:09:34.000 So every any subsequent ceremony or cultural paraphernalia that centers on Charlie's relationship with Christ, we can therefore say is a benefit, a benefit to the kingdom.

00:09:49.000 Would I interested in particular of discussing anything that is outside of that category?

00:09:55.000 You've just said that Charlie said that politics is peanuts, and yet there's no question that there's been a political response to Charlie Kirk's death.

00:10:02.000 Here are some examples of that.

00:10:04.000 The politicians, the many politicians that attended his memorial, the many political and cultural figures that have been critical, condemnatory, and sometimes profane about Charlie.

00:10:17.000 But of course, as someone who loved Charlie Kirk, it's easy, of course, for you to appreciate the figures that were politically aligned, perhaps rather than spiritually aligned with Charlie Kirk being uh participating in the grief that this bereavement has brought about and the set and the subsequent ceremonies.

00:10:43.000 And it's very, of course, in a in a way it's also easy to uh you know criticize, but of course, after Erica Kirk's example, ultimately forgive people that have said crazy, rude, hurtful, mad, dismissive things about Charlie.

00:10:58.000 But what interests me mostly is the exploitation, the political exploitation, and that's what I'm curious about.

00:11:05.000 The political exploitation and what that might mean.

00:11:09.000 Because of course, if there's um, you know, the truth is is while all of us, it would seem to me, are important to Christ, or he has no favorites, and none of us are any more or less important than one another at all.

00:11:22.000 Well, that's part of what I find sort of humbling and glorious.

00:11:26.000 So any attempt to mobilize, utilize, expand or fetishize the event.

00:11:36.000 I think it's interesting to contemplate and to consider.

00:11:39.000 There's no question there's a good deal of very sincere grief, such as you described the three generations affected.

00:11:45.000 And I've met lots of young people, old people that have been very affected by Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:11:54.000 And those things are understandable and in a way, not if I can be blunt, not interesting because they are understandable immediately and obviously.

00:12:04.000 What is interesting to me is anything where one might sense that it is being exploited by anybody to generate hate or to generate momentum.

00:12:17.000 Right.

00:12:18.000 Well, I think Charlie would appreciate the fact that people now want to be more politically engaged to help people through the law, because the law is a great teacher and the law protects innocent people from evil when it's done properly.

00:12:33.000 It also hurts people when it's done improperly when bad laws are put into place.

00:12:37.000 So I don't think Charlie would in any way be upset with people saying, look, we need to vote more conservatively to protect innocent people from evil.

00:12:47.000 That's the purpose of government anyway.

00:12:49.000 You know, as James Madison famously said, if men were angels, no government would be necessary.

00:12:54.000 We wouldn't need a government if we all acted in an angelic way.

00:12:57.000 We only need a government because we're fallen, and we need a government to punish wrongdoers and therefore protect innocent people from evil.

00:13:05.000 If the thing that I find troubling about some exploitation, Russell is this.

00:13:12.000 There are people on the left who called themselves progressive Christians, and they're out there saying, okay, yeah, we saw that a lot of people were preaching the gospel and a lot of people were praising Jesus, but beware of conservative politics that flows from this.

00:13:29.000 Instead Of these people saying I'm I'm rejoicing that the word of the Lord is getting out to the biggest audience probably in history.

00:13:41.000 These people are worried that their political position may not win the day now because of this, which shows me that Jesus is not number one to them.

00:13:52.000 Politics is number one to them.

00:13:55.000 And exposes them.

00:13:57.000 Instead of being all excited, you know, you know what Paul says.

00:14:00.000 He says in one of his letters that people are preaching the gospel with false motives, and he says, you know, I really don't care.

00:14:05.000 As long as the gospel's getting out there, I don't care what motive it is behind it.

00:14:10.000 Yet these people, these leftists are upset that their political position is not winning the day while the gospel is going out to millions of people.

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00:15:47.000 I was reading that the other day.

00:15:49.000 And Jesus must be number one.

00:15:51.000 Jesus, always Jesus, only him. 0.97

00:15:55.000 So I um I was thinking about you know, Romans 13 versus Revelation 13.

00:16:03.000 That we know we fight against rulers against authorities.

00:16:07.000 And it seems to me that like the human institutions have long and variously been captured by I wouldn't hesitate to say past from Frank, excuse me, Frank told me queue, Frank, like by demonic forces, by demonic forces.

00:16:23.000 Sure.

00:16:27.000 And I I feel that um where I've am currently, where I am currently, is you know, like the sort of the aspect of say Marxism.

00:16:40.000 What why what does the state use to leverage its power that we require the state to protect us?

00:16:46.000 What does the state kind of seem to require of us?

00:16:49.000 A sort of infantilization.

00:16:51.000 It wants us to be as little children to enter the kingdom.

00:16:54.000 It wants us dependent on it, sometimes literally and financially in a very observable way, but through uh it wants us to be dependent on the state always through uh its cultural edicts, it's new kind of spontaneous hadiths and adjustments and and amendments to the way that we must see ourselves and one another.

00:17:18.000 And I wonder if this Charlie's awful murder is an isn't I think we'll be failing dreadfully if we allow partisanship of any variety to colour or inform the interpretation of Charlie Kirk's terrible murder.

00:17:41.000 And what I believe is and why I'm I'm so happy that Christ found me and that I found him, because now I I never been in a position like this before.

00:17:51.000 What I think doesn't matter.

00:17:52.000 I've lived my whole life thinking that what I thought or felt or wanted or feared mattered, it is irrelevant.

00:17:59.000 So It's irrelevant, it doesn't matter what I think or feel or want.

00:18:03.000 He loves me, I love him.

00:18:05.000 That's what I'm here to do.

00:18:07.000 Even when I'm frightened and I'm regularly frightened, even when I'm angry and I'm pretty regularly angry, it don't it's irrelevant really.

00:18:15.000 I'm irrelevant.

00:18:17.000 I'm the thief on the cross, I'm the woman at the well, I'm blessed that I know him.

00:18:23.000 I'm blessed that I know him.

00:18:25.000 And all I want to do now is love him more.

00:18:27.000 And the thing that I resisted my whole life was surrendering to the man aspect of Christ and the aspect of Christ that I think has long been exploited and utilized to create conformity and convention and exploitation.

00:18:37.000 And I feel that if we hold ourselves to account in Christ, it's going to be revolutionary.

00:18:44.000 I mean, I know that we don't need us, and there's nowhere that it says in the Bible, would you please go out and overthrow the government?

00:18:51.000 All we're meant to be doing is vigilantly preparing and waiting for his return and loving one another as he loved us, which means up to the point of death.

00:18:59.000 And one of the things that moved me about Charlie's death is I reckon he's a person, I think I've seen you say this actually publicly, that would have done it anyway, even if he'd known.

00:19:07.000 And I've heard Erica Kirk subsequently say that like the materials that he left, it seems like he was preparing for it.

00:19:13.000 But even I didn't know Charlie Kirk very well.

00:19:15.000 I knew him a bit.

00:19:16.000 And I'm, you know, I like any sane person mourn the death of Charlie Kirk for the uh reasons that are obvious.

00:19:23.000 But I I'm what I'm interested in is the cultural artifact now, Frank, which is not, you know, in the most brutal terms, is not Charlie Kirk, because Charlie Kirk is a man that you know, a human being that loved Christ, that used bathrooms that was a normal like you know, a bit an exceptional in many ways and normal in a bunch of other ways, and like all of us, his greatest tributes are filthy rags before the Lord, as it says in Isaiah.

00:19:50.000 So I'm interested in how is the culture going to use this to exert more control and create more division.

00:19:57.000 Let's sit and watch.

00:19:59.000 Because if the if the if we remain true, faithful, if we follow the line of Christ here, it can only create love.

00:20:06.000 Not to say that we won't be haunted and tormented and damned, but it will only create love if we if we're doing what we're instructed to do.

00:20:12.000 Russell, take a look at the response to Charlie's death versus the death of George Floyd.

00:20:20.000 What did we see in George Floyd?

00:20:22.000 We saw a lot of people get killed, we saw buildings destroyed, we saw towns destroyed, a lot of rioting.

00:20:31.000 In Charlie's death, we had a worship service.

00:20:35.000 There couldn't be a starker difference between the things of God and the things of Satan.

00:20:42.000 Because Satan came to kill, destroy, and steal, as Jesus put it. 0.99

00:20:51.000 Uh he said, Jesus said about Satan that he's a liar and a murderer. 0.97

00:20:56.000 And the cultural fallout of George Floyd has been division.

00:21:01.000 I'm praying the cultural fallout of Charlie Kirk will be the kingdom growing and growing more and more.

00:21:09.000 You're always going to have adversaries.

00:21:11.000 Not everybody's going to agree, but I pray that the kingdom continues to grow.

00:21:16.000 And that people who are on the left see the beauty of Christianity.

00:21:20.000 And as you did, you repented and accepted the free gift of salvation that Christ has provided.

00:21:28.000 I can't make it to God on my own.

00:21:29.000 You can't make it to God on our on your own.

00:21:32.000 Nobody can make it to God on your own on our own.

00:21:34.000 That's why Jesus had to come.

00:21:36.000 He lived the perfect life in our pre in our place.

00:21:38.000 He's our substitute.

00:21:40.000 In fact, that's what I said at the memorial service.

00:21:42.000 I said I went through many great things that that Charlie did, but then I said, Charlie is not in heaven because he sacrificed himself for his savior.

00:21:52.000 Charlie is in heaven because his savior sacrificed himself for Charlie Kirk.

00:21:57.000 He's our substitute.

00:21:59.000 And until we realize that, Russell, nothing's going to make sense.

00:22:03.000 He's our substitute first, Jesus says, then he's our example.

00:22:08.000 And then we follow him out of love.

00:22:10.000 And I can see in in your life, you're following Jesus out of love.

00:22:14.000 Obedience comes from love, not from drudgery.

00:22:18.000 Obedience comes from your love for him.

00:22:20.000 That's why you want to follow his commandments.

00:22:22.000 He said, if you love me, you'll keep my commandments.

00:22:25.000 That's what Jesus said.

00:22:26.000 And that's what I hope comes out of it.

00:22:28.000 Right.

00:22:29.000 Yes.

00:22:30.000 I love that.

00:22:31.000 Now, this is see George Floyd.

00:22:34.000 I don't think in a way it's a fair example, except when you use political criteria.

00:22:39.000 And we don't want this to be a political event.

00:22:41.000 We want this to be a spiritual event for the kingdom.

00:22:44.000 So already we're setting it up as a sort of a political comparison.

00:22:48.000 George Floyd was not a spiritual leader or a political activist.

00:22:51.000 He was a I feel like maybe a drug user who got into an occasion with a policeman and through the I would say aggressive policing there, you know, which might be understandable if you're continually policing difficult situations, you know.

00:23:06.000 Um George Floyd, you know, I think the verdict was he was murdered.

00:23:10.000 Um now the subsequent rioting versus um ceremonial services.

00:23:17.000 I just feel like the opponents of the political well, there it's very it seems like it's difficult to ext extricate the political component of Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk's death.

00:23:28.000 Impossible, really.

00:23:29.000 Like Charlie Kirk weren't he's a Christian, and that's all we know about him, is like he loves Jesus, and like I don't care about any of these political subjects.

00:23:37.000 You know, like and I'm really interested, but please don't think.

00:23:40.000 Can I say something about that though, Russell?

00:23:42.000 Let me say something about that.

00:23:43.000 I think as Christians, we have to care about the political subjects.

00:23:50.000 And if we're supposed to love our neighbor, we have to care about how the government treats uh our neighbors.

00:23:56.000 So we have to but our position of care, if our position of care isn't undergirded by robust theological principle, then it's meaningless.

00:24:06.000 So that's that's my point.

00:24:08.000 Now it would seem to me that in a position that we're in now, that's so that the death of George Floyd was no doubt exploited by people who had intentions beyond creating the kind of kingdom that Martin Luther King, who I would see as a Christian, and I bet he saw himself as a Christian above all else, and that his leadership flowed forth from his Christianity and his rhetoric flowed forth from his Christianity, and his belief that we should be treating one another with love and not seeing colour flows forth from his Christianity.

00:24:36.000 I see it and I feel it.

00:24:38.000 And maybe, you know, the way that our culture works, even the brokenness of Dr. Martin Luther King would be forgiven and redeemed through his love of Christ and through his saviour's same as your saviour, my savour, Charlie Kirk's Saviour.

00:24:51.000 Now, the r when uh George Floyd was m murdered, it was exploited in order to sort of create social division.

00:25:02.000 And I would be concerned, even though the visuals and the wakes and the candlelight in it are a much more appropriate, beautiful, holy and humble expression of grief than rioting in despair.

00:25:16.000 I'm trying to imagine the counter-argument because I don't like to spend too much time just doubling down on stuff I already think.

00:25:24.000 I try to explore and understand new things, and I wonder if they might say, well, you know, we didn't have um the cultural support for this movement.

00:25:34.000 And again, it's actually a difficult comparison to make because it's all inadvertent and accidentally.

00:25:38.000 George Floyd's just a person that got inadvertently murdered who's on drugs and stuff like that.

00:25:42.000 He's not a social activist or anything like that.

00:25:44.000 He's a symbol.

00:25:45.000 So I suppose we can talk about them as two symbols, and that's actually what I'm trying to do, trying to extract Charlie Kirk, because it's too painful to think about like the father and the man and the husband and all that, and I can only get through it by thinking about the Christian. 0.68

00:25:56.000 And I reckon what I'm trying to say is that isn't it our role therefore, then as Christians who like um you uh uh plainly, I suppose I'm guessing are aligned with Charlie Kirk on most things politically.

00:26:09.000 I'm like my political opinions and beliefs.

00:26:12.000 I I'm only interested in what Jesus Christ would think.

00:26:16.000 Anything that I reckon, I'm willing to just throw it on the fire instantaneously because I know what I think does to my life and the life of people around me.

00:26:25.000 It's just hazardous and pointless and a waste of time, and I always deviate back to selfishness and self-centeredness and warning attention.

00:26:32.000 And if you left me alone long enough without the light of Christ, I'd start wanting sex and drugs and money and fame and attention.

00:26:37.000 I've seen what I do, I know what I do without him.

00:26:40.000 I'm nothing, I'm broken, and all I want to do is be with him in love with him forever.

00:26:45.000 My love of my children, my love of my wife through him, and my love of my enemy, and my love of my neighbour and my love of like the Christ, if he does, you know, some things that it seems that define the uh the biblical ministry of Christ, and I suppose that's the only one we I suppose know.

00:27:01.000 Um so maybe that was an unnecessary qualifier, is the reduction of limited li the removal of limited liability when it comes to what constitutes a neighbour and the removal of limited liability when it comes to what we should do for others up to the point of death, everybody.

00:27:20.000 Now like and what I was gonna say then is that's why, contrary to popular opinion, Christians need to care about people in every area of their lives.

00:27:32.000 We're to be Christians not only at church but also at work and also at home and also online and also in the voting booth, everywhere we're supposed to be Christians, we're supposed to be salt and light, we're supposed to love our neighbors, and Charlie wanted to put those two things together, he wanted to eradicate this false idea that only the atheists are supposed to run the country.

00:27:55.000 I don't know where we got that idea from, Russell, but somehow we're gonna be able to do that. 0.86

00:27:59.000 Secular is from secularism, yes, and and and it's silly.

00:28:04.000 Uh you know, the whole separation of church and state thing it has been misunderstood.

00:28:09.000 What that means is we don't want the Pope to be the president, we don't want the governments to be the same, but that doesn't mean the Christians ought not be involved in influencing the government or even serving in the government because we want to put laws in place that protect innocent people from evil.

00:28:26.000 And Charlie was all about that.

00:28:28.000 He knew the importance of government, but it wasn't as important as the gospel, and that's that's why Jesus was always number one to him.

00:28:36.000 Everything flew everything flowed from Jesus with Charlie.

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00:30:32.000 And I wonder then now, um how see, I suppose it would be difficult to envisage uh Israeli government that was not impacted by Judaism and not impacted by the articles and uh artifacts and of the Jewish faith.

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00:31:01.000 And I suppose my personal belief, and you please help me with this, is that uh the secularism comes out of enlightenment thinking, and it's the idea that the pinnacle of authuman authority of all of actually of all authority is human authority,

00:31:20.000 that reason is our absolute God, and I think where we now find ourselves at odds, say from for me, I'm English, so I grew up with the church of England, And even as I say the phrase church of England, I can see where the church is, and I can see where England is in that power dynamic.

00:31:38.000 Um I believe that there is no basis for authority unless the principles have come from God.

00:31:45.000 And I suppose if one political party is making the claim that it's gonna do a better job of representing the kingdom, then it's gonna have to be pretty accountable across the board and just not just where convenient.

00:32:01.000 Of course, any Christian, it's written there that life is sacred, so we all know where we would stand on a subject like pro-life, pro-life, pro-choice euphanesia.

00:32:10.000 But there's also quite a lot of instruction that seems to suggest that you've better put down everything you own and follow me.

00:32:19.000 You better be willing to sacrifice give up everything.

00:32:22.000 Now it's pretty clear to me that there is no political party in the United States of America that adequately represents the principles of Jesus Christ.

00:32:30.000 And I would further I mean I'd say the Vatican doesn't go far enough in representing the principles of Jesus Christ.

00:32:38.000 So I've got no problem saying the Republican Party doesn't do it.

00:32:41.000 Because if I can sit here and say I've been the Vatican, I've seen the Caravaggios of St. Matthew being an uh appointed and uh if not anointed, appointed, and then I've seen it the caravaggio of him having his skin flayed off, and then I've like gone to the Vatican, and it's kind of like a gift shop, you know, like you know, and I you know I love the Catholic faith, I love it.

00:33:01.000 I say the rosary, I love the holy mother, and I believe we eat his flesh.

00:33:06.000 I believe I'm down with all of it.

00:33:08.000 But what I also feel like is that human institutions over time have become peculiarly diabolical, and if we are true Christians, I think it makes us revolutionaries and radicals.

00:33:18.000 And for me, that means anywhere we sense that the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ is not being served.

00:33:25.000 It is our duty to be willing to die for that principle to be a prisoner for Jesus Christ in chains for as long as is required in order to bring about the kingdom.

00:33:36.000 And I think that gives us a pretty clear instruction on how what our attitude should be is to war and vice and money and faith and the pandemic, I mean, everything like and um I and I wonder what you think this unique moment offers us.

00:33:52.000 I don't like if Charlie Kirk's legacy is so that's why you should vote Republican, then I think I don't know that Jesus is up there like, yeah, that's what I meant.

00:34:02.000 I should have called it republicanism, that's what I meant.

00:34:06.000 If if if all that comes out of this is a political revival, that's gonna be short-lived and it's not gonna build the kingdom.

00:34:15.000 It has to be a spiritual revival first.

00:34:17.000 The political revival flows from the spiritual revival.

00:34:21.000 If it's the other way around, it's not gonna work.

00:34:24.000 And the number one thing again in Charlie's life was Jesus.

00:34:28.000 He wanted to get people saved and sanctified, and so that's what he wants to happen.

00:34:34.000 The political revival properly understood will flow from a spiritual revival, and we should want good laws put into place.

00:34:42.000 We should want people protected from evil.

00:34:45.000 We should want babies that are protected from death.

00:34:48.000 We should want kids that are protected from child mutilation.

00:34:51.000 We should want kids that are protected from child sex trafficking across an open border.

00:34:56.000 We should want that to end.

00:34:58.000 We should want religious freedom.

00:35:00.000 We should want all this protected.

00:35:03.000 We should want those laws in place.

00:35:04.000 But if those laws are put into place and we're still going to hell anyway, what's the point long term?

00:35:11.000 Yeah, there is a point long term.

00:35:14.000 I want to add to that list as well, that we should want big food to be accountable and to stop poisoning our food, big pharmacy.

00:35:22.000 Let's make America healthy again, man.

00:35:24.000 Absolutely.

00:35:25.000 Absolutely.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, I'm down with that.

00:35:27.000 I'm real down with that.

00:35:29.000 And I do you feel that the principles of the local churches are a better basis for local government than the principles of centralized authority.

00:35:42.000 You know, I was I was reading something from about Pliny, uh sorry, about Justin Martyr.

00:35:50.000 Uh Justin Martyr was martyred for his faith in the mid-100s, and he had a long passage about what church Was like in the second century, and it was pretty profound, Russell.

00:36:05.000 It was all about how people would get together, they would pray, they would expound the scriptures, and then they would give to take care of widows and orphans and to take care of anybody that needed help at that time.

00:36:21.000 It was just pure religion, as one New Testament writer talks about it, that this is true religion, that we take care of widows and orphans.

00:36:29.000 He's not talking about the government taking care of them, he's talking about the church.

00:36:34.000 That we care for one another.

00:36:36.000 That we we we have been so transformed by Christ that we're just not going to consider our own interests, but the interests of others.

00:36:45.000 And unfortunately, in in America, we've gotten into the idea that the people that take care of the widows and orphans is the government.

00:36:54.000 We've ceded that to the government when that's what the church is supposed to do.

00:36:59.000 And so we've lost some of that.

00:37:01.000 And of course, as Jesus said to the Pharisees, you've neglected the word of God on account of your tradition.

00:37:07.000 Your tradition has overpowered the word of God.

00:37:10.000 And that happens.

00:37:11.000 That's what you said earlier, pretty much when you said these human institutions have gotten far away from the word.

00:37:16.000 That's one of the reasons Martin Luther wanted to reform the Catholic Church, because they had gotten away from the fact that we're saved by faith.

00:37:25.000 We're saved by grace through faith.

00:37:27.000 And you don't have to give to the church to have your mother's soul pop out of purgatory.

00:37:31.000 It was being taught, you know, in the uh 1400s and 1500s.

00:37:35.000 That's why Luther came along.

00:37:37.000 And we need that same reformation now.

00:37:39.000 We need to get back to what the Bible says that Jesus is the way, Jesus is the life, Jesus is who we rely on.

00:37:46.000 We don't rely on ourselves.

00:37:48.000 We don't save ourselves.

00:37:49.000 He saves us.

00:37:50.000 And because he saved us, we're going to live following him and following his commands.

00:37:55.000 Including what we do in society, including what we do in politics.

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00:38:05.000 And where that leads me, and I wonder where it's gonna it leads me here.

00:38:10.000 We lived for a long time in a world that was dominated by necessarily centralized institutions.

00:38:16.000 We we've in the post-industrial age, it meant made a lot of sense to centralized government.

00:38:21.000 I mean, you know, feudalism is a form of obviously centralized government, and even your magnificent country, and I'm very grateful to be living here, by the way, like your magnificent country, which is an evolution on the principles of the country that might be argued.

00:38:35.000 Certainly I saw Charlie Kirk argue, see magnetic.

00:38:38.000 Yes, yes.

00:38:40.000 And now, though, it seems we are as a result of technology and instantaneous communication in a very different moment.

00:38:47.000 Uh Andrew Breitbart is fond of saying that politics is downstream of culture, but all things are downstream of God and technology sits in this interstitial place ahead of culture, I would say, because certainly now it would seem to me that mass and instantaneous communication has necessitated as facilitated mass surveillance, has necessitated, and at least has been used to justify mass censorship, the creation of new categories, misinformation and disinformation.

00:39:17.000 In that peculiar and dark pandemic era, one of the things that was notable was the closing down of churches and the foreclosure of the right to worship.

00:39:26.000 For me, a clear indicator of the presumed superiority of the state over Christ and his church. 0.68

00:39:33.000 I wonder, therefore, if we should perhaps now reject the terms of the existing power dynamic, thusly.

00:39:43.000 But once again, the church should be the center of power, but that doesn't mean a centralized nationalist authority.

00:39:50.000 The nations are as drops in the bucket, and I believe that the body of the church, founded on the local church, should be the very center of our cultural life.

00:40:01.000 And that means the center of our economic life.

00:40:03.000 That means the center of our political life.

00:40:05.000 That means any institutions that are unable to yield because of their inert position and their entrenched traditions must be overcome.

00:40:15.000 You know, it it reminded me of a trip I took to Switzerland about 15 years ago, Russell.

00:40:20.000 I noticed that in every town, the center of the town was a church.

00:40:24.000 I'm sure you've been there.

00:40:25.000 It's just amazing.

00:40:26.000 Of course, the churches are dead now because people have gotten away From God in one of the most beautiful countries in the world where you see God's majesty just screaming out all around you.

00:40:36.000 Somehow they've gotten dull to that, and now they think they are the authority.

00:40:40.000 As you pointed out a minute ago, if we are the authority, then there's nothing ultimately right or wrong.

00:40:46.000 There are no rights, right?

00:40:47.000 It's just my opinion against yours.

00:40:49.000 It's just Mother Teresa's opinion against, say, Hitler's opinion, if there is no God.

00:40:55.000 And that's the problem, Russell.

00:40:57.000 And yet, and yet we know Mother Teresa was closer to the truth than Hitler. 0.87

00:41:01.000 Why?

00:41:02.000 Because that truth exists and it's God's nature.

00:41:05.000 And and even Jefferson, you know, you talked about the Enlightenment.

00:41:08.000 Jefferson knew that he couldn't go completely with no God and have peace.

00:41:14.000 He knew that he needed to combine God-given moral rights and yet no sectarian religion in order to have a free society. 0.84

00:41:24.000 So he said that we're gonna have self-evident truths that come from our creator.

00:41:29.000 These rights come from our creator, but he's not saying that you have to be a part of a particular denomination in order to access these rights or to be a citizen.

00:41:39.000 That was the genius of Jefferson.

00:41:41.000 He didn't want the Church of England again, but he wanted the rights guaranteed by God that the Church of England had without saying you had to be a member of the Church of England.

00:41:51.000 That's excellent.

00:41:52.000 That's excellent.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, because you can in fact you can't undergird a concept like rights without God.

00:41:58.000 It just all falls apart.

00:42:00.000 There's no foundation.

00:42:01.000 Everything is up for reasonable discourse and subject to the most dreadful sophistry.

00:42:08.000 Anything can be undone by just a disobedient tongue.

00:42:12.000 And where you know, you said something earlier.

00:42:15.000 I want to amplify.

00:42:16.000 Remember how you said that it really doesn't matter what I think?

00:42:20.000 Yeah.

00:42:20.000 It matters where Jesus thinks.

00:42:22.000 I had that.

00:42:22.000 I was as at the University of Michigan, and this was like 15 years ago.

00:42:27.000 And uh someone asked me what I thought about homosexuality.

00:42:31.000 And uh my answer was it doesn't matter what I think about homosexuality because I am not the moral arbiter of the universe.

00:42:40.000 What matters is what God thinks about it.

00:42:43.000 So what I think about I don't I don't determine right and wrong, I discover right and wrong.

00:42:50.000 We don't determine right and wrong, we discover it.

00:42:53.000 If we determine it, there are no rights, it's just my opinion against yours.

00:42:57.000 And until people realize that, we're gonna have people claiming they have all sorts of rights, but they have no right giver.

00:43:03.000 Do you know if there's no God, there's not only no right to abortion, there's no right to life.

00:43:07.000 There's not only no uh right to same-sex marriage, there's no right to natural marriage. 0.99

00:43:12.000 There are no trans rights, human rights, Christian rights, there's no rights of any kind unless God exists. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:43:18.000 And I reckon sometimes, don't you, Frank, that we I want to summons him, the the figure, the the god in skin, the man god, because you know, when we get caught in the cultural war, which I can think of a kind of as a phony war to tell you the truth, you know, like I've got people ideally love that are gay, but I've read the Bible, so like you know, for me, I'm not gay. 0.85

00:43:39.000 So uh the stuff about that was pretty lascivious and lustful, and I did make sex my idol.

00:43:45.000 I worship sex, I was uh at the high altars man worshipping Baal, you know, every hour he sent. 0.97

00:43:53.000 And in fact, I wouldn't have even acknowledged he sent it. 0.95

00:43:55.000 And I see it actually now for what it is self-worship, self-worship.

00:43:59.000 I was God in my life.

00:44:01.000 I would not have told you that because I'm kind of clever and I might not even have understood it.

00:44:05.000 And in fact, I'm a person that's you know, uh I'm from a different route than you, of course.

00:44:10.000 I'm English for a start, but I'm like a new age, you know.

00:44:13.000 I was my background's like a new age dude, you know.

00:44:15.000 That's dug tattooed on me like about I don't know, eight years ago or something, to celebrate my two daughters and my wife.

00:44:23.000 She's a good goddess, you know. 1.00

00:44:25.000 She um was a tiger and bold and empowers women, fantastic. 1.00

00:44:29.000 Um then I've got like chakras on me here, and I like these ideas of you know, systems of flow that aren't so distinct from the living water.

00:44:37.000 Now, when I when I came to the Lord, oh he came to me.

00:44:40.000 I think it feels more like he came to me, I suppose, and I finally, you know, once he had me by the throat, I was willing to listen.

00:44:47.000 I went from I went from a kind of new age belief, and I I was shown that the problem with a new age approach of a little bit of Sufiism, a little bit of Sartre, a little bit of Kabbalah, A little bit of Nietzsche is at the middle of it is me.

00:45:04.000 The problem.

00:45:05.000 The problem is still in charge.

00:45:07.000 The guy that causes all of the chaos.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.000 And I've I sort of shown it.

00:45:12.000 I was shown it, Frank, empirically.

00:45:14.000 Like I've shown it in two ways.

00:45:16.000 Two festivals, funny enough.

00:45:17.000 One that I was leading, like had my own festival, of course, uh in the UK.

00:45:22.000 And like I had some really illustrious and very brilliant people, like Callie Means, who works for the government now under Secretary Kennedy, he was there, and Van Dana Shiva, a brilliant powerful teacher who's willing to come out and say, like, she will literally say Bill Gates is worse than Hitler.

00:45:37.000 Here's the numbers.

00:45:38.000 Like she's a fascinating woman.

00:45:40.000 Um, but I was like, like, literally strutting around that place. 0.97

00:45:43.000 I mean, look, I'm not dumb, so I know that I know how weak I am, I know how flawed I am, I know how insufficient and ridiculous I am, but still I was rejecting Christ for the most ridiculous reasons of like I don't want to bow down to Jesus, and that's who my nan worshipped, and like dumb people in other countries, you know. 0.53

00:46:00.000 And then when the tipping point, what was the what happened? 0.93

00:46:04.000 What was the tippy point that where you surrendered?

00:46:07.000 What happened?

00:46:08.000 Well, I simultaneous simultaneously got accused of rape in my country, the UK, while my son was having open heart surgery, like sort of at the simultaneously, and I mean at the same time, it was in all over the newspapers, and my son was in Great Almond Street Hospital.

00:46:29.000 It was and I my everything broke apart, and it was so poetic and amazing for this because I was the it was the two weeks before October the 7th, and in the UK, I was all over the news, 2023, the year of the uh the uh attacks and atrocities there.

00:46:46.000 Um so in the two weeks up to that, I was in the newspaper every day.

00:46:50.000 Uh, you know how it is when the news get hold of something.

00:46:52.000 It was like every single day, every single day, every single day, advertising for complaints, you know, new revelations, documentaries.

00:47:00.000 It was like unbelievable.

00:47:02.000 The machinery of media and state turned demonetization, political figures talking about it, you know, the like the reasons for it we could we could get into, but it and it's sort of irrelevant now, and I don't care anymore because I've now I know what who was behind it, really.

00:47:16.000 And like the two gods that I'd worshipped up until that point, curiously, as I suppose a sort of pantheonistic pagan, and as Jordan Peterson once said, Um, if God is everything, then God is anything, you know.

00:47:29.000 Like, um, like and I I was what I had been worshiping sex and fame.

00:47:34.000 Those were the two things I'd been worshiping sex and fame.

00:47:39.000 Well, it was as if that somehow he used for good what the devil intended for ill and chose to be this is what happens.

00:47:46.000 Oh, you want to worship sex and fame, do you? 0.99

00:47:49.000 How about being famous for rape? 0.98

00:47:52.000 Like, oh my god, oh Lord, and like, but simultaneously, while all this, you know, newspaper ink and magazines and TVs and people giving announcements and people talking about it in parliament, simultaneously, I'm dealing with my little boy, my 12-week-old son.

00:48:09.000 So I have to go, well, this is a lot, but it's not real, it's not important.

00:48:15.000 I know that underneath all of this stuff is not me coercively imposing myself sexually on someone.

00:48:20.000 I know there's a lot of self-indulgence and exploitative, selfish, greedy, sinful behaviour that I'm fully well aware of.

00:48:28.000 But this is real.

00:48:29.000 It's pretty real to go in there and you know, like to give her the consent, and this is the 5% chance of this, and 10% chance of that.

00:48:36.000 You know, thankfully, my wife took care of that. 1.00

00:48:38.000 I didn't even have to deal with that conversation.

00:48:40.000 But you know, I went in there and like the sort of mad spaghetti of cables and wires and tubes and inflation and like the machines and intensive care, and thank God he made it.

00:48:52.000 And in the midst of all of that, here is Christ, here is Christ, here is the cross, it comes in geometry, it comes in compassion beyond and deeper than language, a familiarity, a sense that it's always been there that I've been trying to stiff arm an arm's length, the one thing that could save me, the one man that could save me, the one truth that could save me, and it's kind of like retrospectively.

00:49:18.000 Now are you ready?

00:49:20.000 Now do you see?

00:49:21.000 Do you see your brokenness?

00:49:23.000 Do you see your hopelessness?

00:49:25.000 Do you see the pointlessness of everything?

00:49:28.000 And like, and then it just vroom, it just rushed in like a sort of a black hole.

00:49:32.000 I start to understand every I start to understand all of it.

00:49:36.000 It comes, it comes.

00:49:37.000 And I read the word and I read the scripture, and I told I'm told I'm getting baptized, and I'd be like, I'm not getting baptized.

00:49:43.000 It all happened so extraordinarily quickly.

00:49:46.000 Like I read in Rick Warren's book.

00:49:48.000 You will probably start reading the Bible.

00:49:50.000 I'm not reading the Bible.

00:49:51.000 You will probably get baptized.

00:49:53.000 I'm not getting baptized.

00:49:54.000 You'll find a church shouldn't take on service.

00:49:56.000 I'm not doing any of those things.

00:49:57.000 I do all those things now.

00:49:58.000 I've been baptized.

00:49:59.000 I have a church, I've read the Bible.

00:50:01.000 You know, I understand all of it.

00:50:03.000 Um, and like today when I was reading Philip Philippians too free is where it was.

00:50:09.000 Uh, let this let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit.

00:50:14.000 So like every time I'm doing something now, I'm like, is this selfish ambition or conceit?

00:50:18.000 And sometimes it is.

00:50:19.000 I'm still doing stuff like that.

00:50:21.000 But in lowliness of mind, let each esteem others better than himself.

00:50:25.000 That each of you look not only for look out not only for his own interest but also for the interests of others.

00:50:31.000 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made him who did not consider robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant and coming in the likeness of man.

00:50:46.000 I prefer the other translation.

00:50:47.000 What translation is that?

00:50:48.000 I think I prefer uh that's probably the NIV, the nearly inspired virgin.

00:50:53.000 Yeah.

00:50:55.000 Well, um, you know, I gave it transformed.

00:50:59.000 He gave up his the privileges of deity to come to earth and suffer for us.

00:51:05.000 But in your case, and in so many cases, Russell, sometimes we only look up when we're on our backs, and that's what happened to you.

00:51:13.000 And uh a lot of people are coming to Christ because of what happened to Charlie.

00:51:18.000 They're realizing the fragility of life, yeah.

00:51:21.000 They're realizing that there's real evil out there, and if there's real evil out there, there has to be good.

00:51:26.000 In fact, Charlie and I have a mutual friend, his name is James Lindsay, who is an agnostic, but he's really good critic of critical theory.

00:51:34.000 A couple years ago, he texted Charlie and he said, Hey Charlie, I've got a pretty good argument for Satan.

00:51:41.000 I when I look at the hundred million people that were murdered by communist regimes in the past century, that's a good argument for Satan. 0.90

00:51:49.000 And Charlie texted back to him, you're right.

00:51:52.000 But if there's a Satan, there must be a God, and then James texted back, that would follow.

00:51:59.000 Yeah, if there's evil, there has to be good.

00:52:01.000 Because you see, evil is a lack in a good thing.

00:52:04.000 Evil is like cancer.

00:52:05.000 If you take all the cancer out of a good body, you got a better body.

00:52:08.000 What happens if you take all the body out of the cancer?

00:52:11.000 You got nothing, right?

00:52:12.000 Evil can only exist in a good thing, and what we mean by good is God's nature.

00:52:18.000 So evil does not disprove God, it shows that maybe there's a devil out there, but it can't disprove God because evil can only exist if good exists and good can only exist if God exists.

00:52:28.000 And so when you saw all this evil coming at you, whether it was the sickness in your son, or you saw these false rape charges coming at you, you realize that you can't control all that, and God is the one in control, he's the source of good, so you surrendered, and here you are now.

00:52:45.000 Now you're a great light to so many people.

00:52:48.000 Thank you very much for saying thank you.

00:52:51.000 I I'm trying to understand it.

00:52:53.000 I'm trying not to revert to the old ideas, and I'm trying to understand what my function is.

00:52:58.000 You know, like I um was scheduled and am scheduled to do some turning point events.

00:53:05.000 Obviously, they were scheduled prior to Charlie's murder, and I obviously you'll be familiar with the subsequent posthumous planning.

00:53:14.000 And I suppose I'm working out what role he would have me play, our Lord, because I know that it is not as a person that's you know a recovering addict as a person that is formerly uh you know a Hollywood actor and an entertainment figure,

00:53:33.000 and as a person that I would say is um an empirical as well as articulate understanding of contemporary paganism.

00:53:46.000 I feel that my mission and ministry will, if it's his will, be in those areas.

00:53:53.000 I don't know from a you know Charlie's background and your background, I suppose might be felt In your particular expression of your of your own ministry, I'm guessing.

00:54:04.000 Russell, you're must you're much more interesting than I am.

00:54:08.000 God is going to use you.

00:54:09.000 You're much more interesting, particularly to our culture.

00:54:13.000 And God used his personalities.

00:54:16.000 He used Charlie.

00:54:17.000 Yes, we're all created equal, but we don't all have equal gifts.

00:54:21.000 And God uses personalities and he uses gifts for his glory.

00:54:25.000 So some people are going to make more than more of an impact than others.

00:54:28.000 And you're in a position to make more of an impact than just the average person out there.

00:54:33.000 So I pray that God gives you those opportunities to do that.

00:54:36.000 I mean, he's already doing that through what you're doing now, but certainly through turning point.

00:54:40.000 You know, Charlie and I were both we're supposed to go to UC Berkeley together.

00:54:44.000 I'm still going to Berkeley.

00:54:45.000 I'm just bringing Rob Schneider with me now rather than Charlie Kirk.

00:54:49.000 Actually, Rob, I'm the guest of Rob, because Rob's now the lead on it.

00:54:53.000 So we're going to Berkeley and doing what Charlie would have done.

00:54:56.000 And you would be great on a college campus because you're going to relate to those kids in a way that I can't.

00:55:02.000 So we're going to need you.

00:55:06.000 Well, yeah, I want to participate.

00:55:08.000 I'm going to one next month.

00:55:10.000 I've already, I had a, you know, I'd agreed to it prior to Charlie's death, and obviously I'm sure you're aware Turning Point, we're in touch again.

00:55:18.000 You know, they're still doing everything that Charlie intended.

00:55:21.000 So I'm going to something on the, I think I can't remember where, but I'm going to something on the you know on the 15th.

00:55:27.000 And what I'm, you know, I'm what I'm wondering, you know, what kind of form it takes now.

00:55:33.000 And again, like look, I when I last spoke at Turning Point, I spoke at it in Tampa, and I had a conversation.

00:55:38.000 That's the last time I saw Charlie Kirk, and was the last time we spoke.

00:55:43.000 And I drew, you know, addressed that conference, you know, there.

00:55:48.000 My and all I all I could talk about was Jesus.

00:55:51.000 And all I could talk about was look, I don't see my personal personally, I don't I I've the deeper I go into Christ, or the more that I feel intimate with our Lord.

00:56:04.000 For me, what that presents is a greater duty to be very inquisitive about the nature of power.

00:56:12.000 And I gotta tell you, I'm much more revelation 13 than uh Romans 13.

00:56:20.000 I'm very cynical about government.

00:56:22.000 Not like a like I'm not an anti-Trump person, by the way.

00:56:25.000 I think Trump was what the world kind of created and required, and there, and I think the Democrat Party were an appalling bunch of globalist imperialists bringing about Satan's havoc and his dark kingdom.

00:56:40.000 But I don't think those are the only two options.

00:56:43.000 I think that there's there's another way.

00:56:46.000 I think there's another way.

00:56:46.000 I think we're gonna be.

00:56:48.000 You know what's kind of ironic, Russell?

00:56:50.000 Weren't you didn't you play the professor in Despicable Me?

00:56:54.000 Oh, yes, Dr. Nafari o's who I played in that film, Frank.

00:57:02.000 Do you see?

00:57:03.000 Do you see how God has brought you to this place?

00:57:07.000 Because here you are saying, I'm despicable me.

00:57:10.000 I know myself.

00:57:11.000 And and and if we're all honest with ourselves, we're with you.

00:57:14.000 We're all like, we're all fallen.

00:57:16.000 We don't have it all together.

00:57:17.000 We can't save ourselves.

00:57:19.000 We're selfish, we're after fame, we're after fortune, we're after all those things.

00:57:24.000 Just you're just willing to admit it more than the rest of us, you know.

00:57:28.000 And so you were in that movie before you became a Christian or in those movies before you became a Christian.

00:57:34.000 And it's it's ironic now that you're saying I'm despicable me.

00:57:39.000 You if you knew me, you knew I couldn't, I didn't have it all together.

00:57:42.000 I can't save myself.

00:57:43.000 That's why I need Jesus.

00:57:45.000 That's pretty good.

00:57:46.000 I might use that. 0.76

00:57:47.000 I'll use that again, despicable me.

00:57:49.000 That's good.

00:57:50.000 Thank you.

00:57:51.000 Thank you.

00:57:52.000 Um I'm just going through some of the for the first time, actually, in our 52-minute 48-second conversation.

00:57:59.000 I'm looking at the notes that has been kindly prepared by Tony, who uh was good graciously organized for us to speak today.

00:58:07.000 And um gosh, I don't I can't bear to talk about the day of Charlie's murder.

00:58:12.000 I don't it's too awful.

00:58:13.000 Um I wonder what you feel about some of the subsequent rumors about uh Charlie's murder.

00:58:21.000 Because that's what I'm sort of trying to get to in the beginning, Frank, is that people are trying to use it.

00:58:25.000 Like, look, the best, like I'll for one second, even though the belt of truth is the first thing we put on in our armament.

00:58:32.000 I recognize that.

00:58:34.000 For one second, I I try to think of things in a key bono, qui bono type way.

00:58:39.000 Who's benefiting from this murder?

00:58:41.000 Who is going to benefit from it?

00:58:43.000 Um if we could choose, would you have a like I believe we should have no preference about a subject like that? 0.98

00:58:49.000 We shouldn't you shouldn't say I would rather it was an Israeli agent than it was a trans activist, or I'd rather it was a disillusioned MAGA person than it was a uh a mentally ill loner. 0.98

00:59:02.000 I'd rather it was a Muslim. 1.00

00:59:03.000 If you've got any preference about who did the murder, that tells you something.

00:59:08.000 And I can tell the culture has got preferences.

00:59:11.000 The culture has you know what the problem is from your countryman C.S. Lewis, he said this many years ago.

00:59:19.000 He said uh, and I'm paraphrasing, I can't remember the exact quote, but he said, if you are rooting for someone to be the bad guy, and you're happy you find out they're worse than you thought, you've got a problem.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, you you you don't want to look at people in a worse light.

00:59:42.000 You should want to be relieved that they weren't as bad as you thought.

00:59:47.000 Now, as we see it now, Russell, it looks like it was a trans activist, but let's just wait for all of the investigation to occur.

00:59:56.000 This Friday, I'm gonna have on my podcast, Jay Warner Wallace, the cold case homicide detective.

01:00:01.000 I had him go look at some of the conspiracy theories there about a second shooter.

01:00:06.000 I was 25 feet from Charlie when he was shot.

01:00:10.000 And some people are trying to say there was a second shooter from behind me, and that it came into his the back of his head and exited here.

01:00:20.000 I did not see the back of his head.

01:00:23.000 I literally was giving him CPR, and I was looking down at him from the front.

01:00:30.000 Um I don't know if he had an exit wound or not.

01:00:34.000 I I I don't know, and people are trying to say, well, there was no autopsy, and my friend Jay Warner Wiles told me yesterday, he said, in every murder, there is always an autopsy.

01:00:45.000 So Charlie was in that hospital for many hours after he was murdered.

01:00:52.000 I was there for I mean, he was there until I left, and that was six or seven hours after the murder.

01:01:00.000 Um so all this is gonna come out later.

01:01:03.000 In the meantime, people are gonna try and get clicks and trying to say, oh, I see this angle, I see that angle, like that.

01:01:11.000 You know, you know, I was part of a conspiracy theory.

01:01:13.000 I was the subject.

01:01:14.000 I don't know if you remember this.

01:01:15.000 I was the guy with the white hat that was allegedly signaling the uh the shooter, which is so stupid anyway, because any guy looking at through a scope with a 30-odd six can't see a guy standing 25 feet to the side of Charlie. 0.67

01:01:28.000 He's looking at his target. 0.90

01:01:29.000 And why would anybody need to signal this guy?

01:01:32.000 He knew who he was after, he knew the guy with the microphone was Charlie.

01:01:36.000 It shows you how crazy the internet is, Russell.

01:01:40.000 Why are you why are people talking about hand signals to a shooter?

01:01:44.000 As if the guy didn't know who he was trying to shoot. 0.97

01:01:46.000 It's it's so ridiculous, yet people cling to this stuff.

01:01:50.000 I reckon it's because we've started to recognize that every single event is exploited by various different interests. 0.76

01:01:58.000 That's why.

01:01:59.000 So people are like, What who do we trust now?

01:02:01.000 They know it.

01:02:01.000 They know that if, like, oh, yeah, look, there's bombs in Poland, oh, this person from Hamas has been oh, this thing, like they know that whether an event is authentic or not, it will be exploited to benefit powerful institutions and groups, usually I would say demonically controlled, because the Lord's got no interest in exploitation, he has absolute power, he needs nothing from anybody.

01:02:24.000 So I feel that that's what drives it.

01:02:27.000 And then when anything unusual happens, like I one of the sort of things I guess, you know, I consumed a bunch of media like anyone, and how did the person put that rifle away?

01:02:36.000 Why are they in that shop so quickly?

01:02:39.000 I mean, I heard yesterday that the concreted over the murder scene.

01:02:44.000 I don't even know if this stuff's true anymore, and I kind of disengage from it.

01:02:48.000 That's crazy.

01:02:49.000 I don't know.

01:02:49.000 Yeah, I hope it's not true.

01:02:51.000 I hope it's not true.

01:02:52.000 I don't like look.

01:02:53.000 I anyway, like earlier when you were sort of listing some of the sort of, you know, I guess presumed uh As a person that's sort of been pretty lascivious and fallen, you know, putting it mildly. 0.98

01:03:07.000 When we are like that aspect of Christianity, Frank, that's about sort of, you know, the wrong end is Westboro Baptist Church, you know, God hates fags type stuff. 0.75

01:03:17.000 Like, uh I just feel our Lord would not be down with like hates facts, you know, as a piece of language or a piece of behavior. 0.90

01:03:26.000 And I did once to speak to that years ago before I came to Christ.

01:03:30.000 I spoke to the Westbury Baptist Church, and you know, I was in Los Angeles, and the audience were kind of booing them, and I was saying, no, no, no, you know, this big give that they were brave to come here, and this is their beliefs, and I had a bunch of gay people with me on stage and stuff like that.

01:03:43.000 Now, like what I have no doubt about, what I feel is our Lord would he would, you know, there's no one can query that he would love George Floyd, he would love trans people, he would love I mean, he would love Charlie Kirk's murderer.

01:04:02.000 I mean, like that's so I don't I'm not suggesting anarchy, I'm not suggesting chaos, I'm not suggesting permissiveness.

01:04:10.000 Yeah, can I add something to that though?

01:04:12.000 When we say love, I think a mistake the culture makes, Russell, is that we think love means approval.

01:04:19.000 Love does not mean approval.

01:04:21.000 I mean, you know, this is a father, you don't approve of everything your kid wants to do.

01:04:25.000 If you do, you're not loving, you're enabling the kid to hurt himself and do evil, right?

01:04:30.000 So love doesn't mean approval.

01:04:32.000 Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery that sin no more.

01:04:37.000 That's what love is.

01:04:38.000 Love is telling the person what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

01:04:42.000 And the same message to the person who identifies as trans or same sex or um or Christian or non-Christian or Buddhist or Hindu or the same message goes to all people, every one of us is a sinner, and we are going to be judged by an infinitely just God.

01:05:04.000 You have only have two choices.

01:05:06.000 You can either get justice in the afterlife or you can get grace.

01:05:11.000 Does anybody, regardless of how they identify, want justice from an infinitely just being?

01:05:18.000 I don't because I haven't been just.

01:05:20.000 I want grace.

01:05:22.000 And the only way to get grace from an infinitely just being is for him to punish an innocent substitute in our place.

01:05:29.000 That way he remains just because he punishes sin, but he justifies unbelievers like me and you.

01:05:36.000 And that's why Paul says in Romans 3 26 that God remains just and is the justifier of the one who has faith in Christ.

01:05:43.000 So at the end of the day, either you're gonna pay for your sins or Jesus is gonna pay for your sins.

01:05:50.000 I don't want to pay for my sins, Jesus is my substitute, I trust in him, and that stands for everybody, regardless of how they identify.

01:05:59.000 Everybody needs that savior.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 Thank you.

01:06:03.000 And I like that there is no distinction or discrimination.

01:06:07.000 I like that.

01:06:09.000 I like that, and I like the opportunity of forgiveness through repentance, and oh, but also I recognise, you know, there are sort of human systems of justice, and if they are founded on righteous principles, then we can rely on them and trust them.

01:06:21.000 And if they are indeed judicious and reflections of him, then they're completely reliable.

01:06:25.000 But I suppose what we live in.

01:06:26.000 And again, to my point, I sort of touched upon it earlier, Frank, but it we didn't really sort of explore it because we've got so much to talk about, is that the culture is fragmented and fractured because fundamentally people are rejecting authority.

01:06:41.000 Not my president, not my president, not my system.

01:06:44.000 This is and and there comes a point where one must question what are the political systems right down to the root that are causing or at least facilitating the expression of these problems.

01:06:57.000 And is there another way if we turn ourselves away from sin and worldliness and flesh and the devil and towards Christ, are there any other ways that present themselves or suggest themselves that we might organize society?

01:07:11.000 Um, and what I'm you know, this is I'm new to this, Frank.

01:07:14.000 I've only been a Christian for 18 months.

01:07:16.000 Like, but what is stuck it feels like to me is something that was latent, nascent within me prior was you can't trust human authority, human authority is corrupt.

01:07:25.000 Then I, you know, for the first time in my life, read the Bible, and I come across Ephesians and I come where it says dark powers, uh heavenly rulers, then I see our Lord saying like in the second temptation or the third temptation, depending on which gospel, authority has been given to me.

01:07:42.000 The world is my dominion.

01:07:43.000 And I see Paul and John numerous times say the devil is in control in the world.

01:07:50.000 Our Lord says it.

01:07:51.000 The devil is in control.

01:07:52.000 So what does that mean?

01:07:53.000 Doesn't mean one political party, it means the systems and institutions themselves have been captured by evil, and we have to, we don't have to, it doesn't actually say that, just individually to be good Christians and as a body.

01:08:06.000 But like there's no question that we have a duty, but my the conversations I was enjoying having with Charlie Kirk until he was murdered, and well, God knows I would have learned a lot more had he lived.

01:08:18.000 Was I wonder when this becomes if you pursue this to its conclusion, and it's not enough to like, well, we tried our best, let's let the Republicans take it from here, and becomes wait a minute, all these people are funded by the donor class and by lobbyists, and they're all captured and controlled.

01:08:33.000 We best uh push on.

01:08:36.000 Yeah, I think that this was the brilliance of Jefferson and our constitution, you know, Jefferson Declaration of Independence, Madison Constitution.

01:08:45.000 They knew they needed to separate the powers because as Lord Acton said, absolute power corrupts and power corrupts, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.

01:08:58.000 So they needed this separated powers in order for one branch to check the other branch.

01:09:05.000 Um, whether the Republicans are in power or the Democrats are in power, we still need those checks because we're all bent toward evil.

01:09:14.000 It's easy to be bad, it's hard to be good.

01:09:16.000 It's easy to be overcome by the temptations of sex, money, and power.

01:09:20.000 Those are the big three sex, money, and power. 0.99

01:09:23.000 And and John in 1 John 2 uh bliss those actually, Russell.

01:09:28.000 He says, Do not love the world or what's in the world, because all that's in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the boastful pride of life.

01:09:36.000 That's all that's in the world, sex, money, and power.

01:09:38.000 So we have to put checks on ourselves, and we have to put checks on our government, and that's what our constitution does.

01:09:46.000 That's why we need to adhere to the constitution.

01:09:48.000 But I'd also say that we have to do that individually.

01:09:54.000 We have to put barriers around ourselves of accountability so we don't fall into the temptations of illicit sex, money, or power.

01:10:03.000 If we do, we're not only going to destroy ourselves, we're going to destroy our witness for Christ.

01:10:08.000 Charlie and I were talking about that two nights before he died.

01:10:13.000 I was talking to him about sex, money, and power.

01:10:16.000 I said, Have you ever heard of the Modesto Manifesto?

01:10:18.000 He said, No.

01:10:19.000 I said the Modesto Manifesto was something that the Billy Graham leaders in the 1940s, while they were in Modesto, California, pledge to one another.

01:10:29.000 They said, if if we fall in one of these three areas, it's going to destroy our ministry and destroy our witness to Christ.

01:10:36.000 It was sex, money, and power. 0.98

01:10:38.000 So they put they put uh accountability on one another, Russell.

01:10:43.000 They did this.

01:10:44.000 They said we will never be in the presence of another woman alone who is not our wives. 0.85

01:10:49.000 Uh we would always have another person there.

01:10:51.000 We don't want any temptation with sex.

01:10:53.000 Number two, we would uh never handle the money.

01:10:58.000 We'd have other people handle the money.

01:10:59.000 We don't we don't want to be in any way tempted by by money.

01:11:03.000 And then thirdly, whenever we did a crusade, we will never inflate the numbers.

01:11:08.000 Whatever the cops said, whenever they said that was the crowd size, that's what we said.

01:11:13.000 We don't want to fall to sex, money, or power, and and to show you how wise Charlie was, although he never heard of it, he was already doing that.

01:11:23.000 He was already doing that because we are fallen.

01:11:27.000 And so I would say we do need to respect authority, but we need to verify that authority is doing the right thing.

01:11:38.000 Because if we if we ignore all authority, we'll have anarchy.

01:11:44.000 Yes.

01:11:45.000 Yes.

01:11:46.000 In fact, any authority other than his authority may as well be anarchy, and I mean anarchy in the bad way rather than a good anarchy, direct democracy that's truly representative.

01:11:58.000 Because I belong to an organization that you know, like I'm a 12-step person, and 12-step groups are derived from the Oxford group, so Christian in origin, although not explicitly Christian in practice, but the way they are organized is every group is fully independent and autonomous, except in matters affecting other groups.

01:12:18.000 Anyone can join as long as they want to stop, you know, drinking or taking drugs or whatever the declared intention of the group is.

01:12:26.000 We our leaders, our servants, we're not allowed to make money.

01:12:30.000 We're like it's like it's such a beautiful system for actually ensuring that that sex, money, power, the Medesto Manifesto.

01:12:40.000 Is that true?

01:12:41.000 Yeah, look it up.

01:12:41.000 Modesto Manifesto.

01:12:42.000 Let me say something about sex, money, and power. 0.98

01:12:44.000 They're good things.

01:12:46.000 The problem is we'll often take shortcuts to get them, and that's where we sin.

01:12:50.000 God's not down on sex.

01:12:52.000 He's not down on money.

01:12:53.000 He said the love of money is the root of all evil.

01:12:55.000 But do you know what?

01:12:56.000 That all the work Charlie was doing couldn't be done unless people made money and gave him money.

01:13:02.000 Same thing in our ministry.

01:13:03.000 If people don't make money and give it to us, we can't go to campuses.

01:13:06.000 We can't reach kids.

01:13:08.000 Money's a good thing.

01:13:10.000 It's only a bad thing when it becomes the best thing.

01:13:13.000 And the same thing is true with power.

01:13:15.000 Power is a good thing if you use it for good ends, it becomes a bad thing if you're using it for evil.

01:13:22.000 So it's not that they're bad things, they're good things.

01:13:25.000 They're in fact that they're just so good and so powerful.

01:13:27.000 You gotta put you gotta put guards around them.

01:13:30.000 They're like nuclear weapons, right?

01:13:31.000 You just can't allow them into the wrong hand.

01:13:34.000 Oh, that's great.

01:13:35.000 Thank you.

01:13:36.000 They're too good.

01:13:37.000 Pastor, I mean Frank, excuse me.

01:13:39.000 Thank you very much.

01:13:40.000 I mean, it's um we we finish this off with a prayer.

01:13:45.000 Let's do it.

01:13:46.000 You want me to pray?

01:13:47.000 You want to pray.

01:13:48.000 Or both.

01:13:49.000 You you pray first, then I'll pray.

01:13:51.000 All right.

01:13:51.000 Father, we are blessed that we live in a country where we can freely exchange ideas like this.

01:13:58.000 I'm so thankful that Russell has found you and his family has found you, and that he has such a vibrancy about his faith, such a love for you.

01:14:10.000 I pray that you would guide him in all that he does.

01:14:13.000 I pray that he would become even a greater influence than he already is for you, that you would find opportunities, give him opportunities to further share what he's learning and who he's following.

01:14:26.000 I pray you'd protect him and his family.

01:14:28.000 And protect us all from the temptations that we come across every day.

01:14:33.000 Help us to love you and therefore then follow you because we love you.

01:14:38.000 Help us to make heaven crowded as Charlie wanted to do.

01:14:41.000 I I thank you for Charlie's life.

01:14:42.000 I pray for Erica and the entire TPUSA team.

01:14:46.000 I pray that you would keep them moving toward you, toward building the kingdom, toward making heaven crowded.

01:14:54.000 And uh we know that you can bring good from evil.

01:14:57.000 You're already bringing good from this terrible evil.

01:15:00.000 Help us to be participants in it so we could further your kingdom for your glory.

01:15:06.000 Father God, I ask that I can communicate with you as you know yourself to be, not my limited understanding of you, my anthropomorphic, limited understanding of you, God.

01:15:15.000 I speak to you, God, as you know yourself to be, humbly as your servant.

01:15:19.000 Give me the strength, Lord, through my weakness to be obedient through faith.

01:15:24.000 Heavenly Father, Lord God, allow Jesus Christ, your son's sacrifice for me to be felt and lived through me.

01:15:31.000 Allow the Holy Spirit to dwell in me, Lord, allow my body to become a temple, allow my mouth to become a conduit for your ministry.

01:15:39.000 I would ask Father that anything that Frank is carrying that has wounded or injured him through the proximity to the darkness of the events around Charlie's murder and the murder itself be healed and cast out, and we repudiate and rebuke all demonic forces, Lord, that operate through government, particularly those that would sanitize and mask themselves, the la the wolf in sheep's clothing phenomena, Lord.

01:16:04.000 Please send us shepherds, please send us guidance, please, Lord, give us access to the divine light that was present.

01:16:11.000 Our Lord, through your logos, through your holy word.

01:16:13.000 May we feel molecularly your divine vibration, cleanse and change us and create new patterns, Father.

01:16:20.000 Show us how we might change, show us as dear Charlie said actually how Romans might become the Christian constitution.

01:16:27.000 Show us how this conversation can be healing and not a doubling down on the polarity that creates events of this nature, Lord.

01:16:33.000 Show us how the broken and the fallen and the damned and the damaged and the lost, Lord, those pursuing false pagan idols or false gods of any variety, Lord, will find their way back to you through the cross, the cross that resolves and absolves all. 0.62

01:16:48.000 May your blood, holy father, cover all things.

01:16:50.000 May your blood, like a seeping consciousness, Lord, cover every facet.

01:16:55.000 May we be cleansed by your blood.

01:16:56.000 May we be awakened by your blood.

01:16:58.000 May we be revivified by your blood.

01:16:59.000 May this revival succeed, Lord.

01:17:02.000 We pray for your return.

01:17:03.000 We prepare for your return.

01:17:05.000 Lord, we know it'll be better to be with you.

01:17:07.000 But we pray for those that grieve.

01:17:10.000 We pray for those that are bereaved.

01:17:12.000 May they feel the presence of the comforter.

01:17:14.000 We ask this in the name of your son Jesus Christ.

01:17:17.000 Amen.

01:17:19.000 Amen.

01:17:20.000 Russell.

01:17:22.000 God has given you great gifts.

01:17:25.000 You have you have a great verbal fluency that I think is captivating to people.

01:17:34.000 And you articulate complicated concepts so eloquently that I'm praying that God uses you and makes your ministry bigger and bigger as you continue to yield to Him.

01:17:50.000 Thank you.

01:17:52.000 Keep um keep looking for those opportunities.

01:17:55.000 I hope when TPUSA calls, you'll go because you're gonna, man, you're gonna be you're gonna be quite an influence on kids for Christ.

01:18:08.000 So take that opportunity.

01:18:11.000 Yes, sir.

01:18:12.000 Build the kingdom.

01:18:15.000 Um starting with my own kids.

01:18:17.000 If I can get them to listen, I reckon that's a good foundation.

01:18:21.000 It's the neighbor, it's the neighbor guy that's gonna get going to uh influence them as you know.

01:18:25.000 How old are the kids now, Russell?

01:18:26.000 How old are they?

01:18:27.000 I have an eight-year-old, eight-year-old, an eight-year-old daughter, Mabel, a seven-year-old daughter, Peggy, and my son Herbie is now two and very well from his heart surgery by the grace of God.

01:18:36.000 Oh, God bless that.

01:18:38.000 That's that's amazing.

01:18:40.000 So yeah, yeah, you're you're in it.

01:18:43.000 That's that's a fun, fun period, though, when they're that age.

01:18:46.000 They're innocent, they're they're sponges.

01:18:49.000 They want to be with mommy and daddy all the time.

01:18:52.000 You know, once they hit 12, then they their friends become more important.

01:18:56.000 So enjoy this time while you have it.

01:18:59.000 Yes.

01:19:00.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:19:01.000 Poor pour whatever you can into them.

01:19:04.000 I will.

01:19:05.000 Whatever you can.

01:19:06.000 Hey, I want to have you on my podcast soon.

01:19:08.000 I'll be able to do that.

01:19:09.000 Anytime.

01:19:09.000 Do you want my number?

01:19:11.000 Reach out.

01:19:12.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 Do you watch Russell Brand Unpacked where I do deep dives into news issues?

01:19:17.000 Here is an episode of Russell Brand Unpacked, a deeper look at news issues.

01:19:21.000 Have a look at this quick clip.

01:19:22.000 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation.

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