Stay Free - Russel Brand - From Iran to London… It’s Already Spreading — SF708

00:00:13.000 Russell, controversial conspiracy theorist.

00:00:15.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonder.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 It's Friday.

00:00:21.000 This is the day that's called Friday.

00:00:22.000 What do you mean?

00:00:23.000 I said that.

00:00:24.000 That's my own name.

00:00:24.000 Are you okay?

00:00:25.000 I just like went like this on my neck and it really cracked.

00:00:25.000 What's the matter?

00:00:28.000 Like, oh, that's good though.

00:00:30.000 Sometimes people do that for like a big fight or whatever. 1.00

00:00:33.000 Fuck me. 1.00

00:00:34.000 Footloose! 1.00

00:00:37.000 I watched it yesterday.

00:00:38.000 Pretty deep.

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00:00:45.000 Remember, let's do a quick and spontaneous reading from my book, Russell Brand How to Be Christian, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days.

00:00:52.000 Got to learn the title of this book that I've written.

00:00:54.000 Oh, this was a good bit.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, you should get it.

00:00:57.000 It's really good.

00:00:57.000 That's that bit where I'm talking about King David and his squabble with prophets and the challenges of King David remaining on track with our Lord as a fallen and broken man.

00:01:09.000 It's good stuff in there.

00:01:10.000 Hey, listen, I've got a lot of things to talk you through today on Friday.

00:01:14.000 I'm not doing this live because I'm in New York.

00:01:16.000 Or, I'm actually not sure where I am anymore.

00:01:19.000 I'm not here, I'll tell you that.

00:01:22.000 But I'm around.

00:01:23.000 I do a segment called Don't Say You're Not Live.

00:01:26.000 Yeah, they don't like that.

00:01:27.000 And then you just say, Am I live or not?

00:01:30.000 Am I live or not?

00:01:32.000 How would you ever know?

00:01:34.000 Well, if I was live, I certainly would be willing to talk about Theo Vaughn taking a call from a guy.

00:01:39.000 Dave, you wanted to do this, did you?

00:01:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:43.000 That was pretty funny.

00:01:44.000 Well, what about it?

00:01:44.000 He's just funny.

00:01:45.000 I love his responses to this.

00:01:47.000 I'm still not meeting him.

00:01:48.000 I've been talking to this girl for like two years. 0.90

00:01:50.000 And it turns out I got her pregnant.

00:01:52.000 The word got around, and somehow it turns out that she's my first cousin.

00:01:56.000 Wow, dang, brother.

00:01:58.000 That's, uh, ooh. 1.00

00:02:02.000 That's, you're going to be raising a dang lizard, homie. 1.00

00:02:04.000 You can't, um, wow, brother. 1.00

00:02:07.000 Good golly.

00:02:08.000 At the very least, it's going to need glasses.

00:02:12.000 That thing is going to need bifocals, brother. 0.98

00:02:15.000 You know, make sure it doesn't stand straight up when the moon is full and shit like that when it's real young. 0.95

00:02:19.000 Just, I'd hit a couple high notes near it on an instrument.

00:02:22.000 See if its eyes turn red or anything, but you're just going to have to keep tabs on it.

00:02:25.000 Just stay safe, brother, and I would back off that type of behavior.

00:02:31.000 You know, if you win this round of DNA roulette, brother, I'd leave the rest of the bullets in the chamber, baby, when it comes to family.

00:02:40.000 That's very good.

00:02:42.000 If you win this round of DNA roulette, he does it so smooth.

00:02:47.000 That's the thing.

00:02:48.000 I mean, he says such crazy stuff.

00:02:50.000 High notes, stand up.

00:02:51.000 Hit some high notes on an instrument.

00:02:53.000 Yeah, that's a lot of high access to a real interesting array of images that's been demonstrated there.

00:02:53.000 That was good.

00:03:00.000 Really, really beautiful.

00:03:02.000 Really beautiful.

00:03:03.000 Hey, who's married to their ninth cousin?

00:03:06.000 I just learned about it yesterday.

00:03:08.000 Oh, Kevin Bacon.

00:03:09.000 But, like, ninth cousin, how do you even track that?

00:03:12.000 Like, you know, Kevin Bacon had six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

00:03:15.000 Well, Kevin Bacon himself is married to his ninth cousin.

00:03:18.000 So it's like he's trying to join in the game of six degrees from Kevin Bacon with his.

00:03:23.000 I didn't know that.

00:03:24.000 I'm with you.

00:03:25.000 Ninth cousin?

00:03:26.000 How do you, because isn't it like my second cousin is my cousin's son?

00:03:29.000 And then if he had a son, then my kids would be what, four, fifth cousins to that kid?

00:03:33.000 You get the remove thing, like first cousin once removed or something.

00:03:36.000 I don't understand it. 0.99

00:03:37.000 By that time, you may as well move to Louisiana and start having sex with them and roll the barrels on DNA roulette with Theo Vaughn at that point. 0.99

00:03:47.000 Yeah, all right, listen, let me do this thing about my country. 0.99

00:03:50.000 It's gone mad.

00:03:52.000 As the temperature of global conflict continues to increase, the UK man is falling apart.

00:03:57.000 I'm glad I'm not there, but I will be going back there pretty soon.

00:04:01.000 There's anti Islam attacks, there's anti Semitic attacks.

00:04:06.000 Keir Starmer said last Sunday he was appalled by several.

00:04:09.000 Arson attacks on Jewish sites in northwest London in recent weeks following an attack from Saturday, Sunday targeting a synagogue.

00:04:16.000 Prime Minister Keir Starmer vowed Sunday to bring the perpetrators of recent arson attacks to justice.

00:04:22.000 As Britain's chief rabbi said, a sustained campaign of violence and intimidation against Jews was accelerating.

00:04:28.000 Starmer's spoken out against it, and UK police say that it could potentially be linked to this ongoing holy war that seems to be getting worse by the day.

00:04:39.000 The incidents are similar in nature.

00:04:41.000 They have been arsons. 0.63

00:04:43.000 Targeting Israeli and Jewish premises within London.

00:04:47.000 Most have been claimed online by a group, Ashab al Yamin, the Islamic movement of the Companions of the Right.

00:04:55.000 The same group in recent months have claimed attacks across Europe, also happening at similar premises, such as Jewish and Israeli premises.

00:05:08.000 I want to be clear, irrespective of the motive.

00:05:11.000 They say I want to be clear a lot now, don't they?

00:05:12.000 They say I want to be clear a lot.

00:05:14.000 And that's because I suppose everything is so tangled and confusing.

00:05:18.000 You know, what were we talking about on the last show?

00:05:21.000 Ibergain and psychedelics.

00:05:23.000 It's so tangled and baffling.

00:05:27.000 Watching Theo Vaughn counsel a man who's had sex with his cousin is sort of such a relief.

00:05:34.000 It's such a relief to watch something as straightforward as.

00:05:38.000 Incest guidance.

00:05:44.000 It doesn't sound right, does it?

00:05:48.000 It doesn't sound like that's going to solve the problem.

00:05:51.000 It sounds like political gameplay the whole time.

00:05:54.000 Like that, what she's saying there.

00:05:55.000 The perpetrators of this, it doesn't sound like people going, hey, what's going on, man, with all the racing?

00:06:00.000 Are you unhappy inside?

00:06:02.000 What the hell are you all doing?

00:06:04.000 And I suppose the answer to that question is we're all just bewildered and trying to cope with a world where.

00:06:10.000 No one feels any connection to their community or their self or God.

00:06:13.000 France prepares for a terror attack on London as tensions over Trump Iran war strike.

00:06:20.000 Why is France preparing for an attack on London?

00:06:22.000 France is preparing for a terror strike target in London, it has been claimed.

00:06:26.000 With France considered as one of the UK's closest allies and security partners, French diplomats are understood to have undertaken a crisis management exercise to help prepare for a massive incident in the city as global tensions following the Iran war.

00:06:40.000 Continue to arise.

00:06:42.000 A French crisis response blueprint is understood to cover all contingencies, including a potential terror attack involving French citizens in London, reports the standard.

00:06:49.000 French consular staff also reportedly participated in the crisis room at the embassy in West London.

00:06:56.000 These teams would offer support to victims and their families and have the authority to give out passports to French citizens.

00:07:00.000 I mean, this is probably just an exercise, but we said that about event 2019, didn't we, where Bill Gates et al. prepared for.

00:07:11.000 A potential pandemic, which then very definitively did happen.

00:07:17.000 Trump says we may stop Cuba.

00:07:19.000 We may stop Cuba after we're.

00:07:22.000 Is that connected to this story, Massey? 0.86

00:07:25.000 Iran fallout.

00:07:26.000 It's just like, oh, it's just general Iran.

00:07:29.000 I just saw that it was Trump, you know, with everything that's going on in the world.

00:07:33.000 He's like, oh, we may stop by Cuba after this Iran thing.

00:07:35.000 Just more global tensions constantly rising, basically.

00:07:38.000 Oh, my God, it never ends.

00:07:40.000 Sorry. 0.99

00:07:41.000 And Cuba's a failing nation. 0.90

00:07:43.000 And we're going to do this. 0.99

00:07:44.000 And we may stop by Cuba after we're finished with this.

00:07:48.000 But Cuba is a nation that has just been horribly run for many years by Castro.

00:07:55.000 I didn't like the Five Eye Alliance when Edward Snowden announced it existed.

00:07:59.000 Which, in case you don't know, is in order to get round laws that countries have, like Australia, New Zealand, the UK, US, to prevent governments spying on their citizens, their citizenry, their subjects, you and me.

00:08:12.000 Australia will spy on British citizens.

00:08:16.000 Britain will spy on American citizens.

00:08:18.000 New Zealand, like, you know, there's a kind of a merry-go-round of snitching and spying, even before the advent of the fully immersive surveillance that we know is coming.

00:08:29.000 Took some comfort from is that Benjamin Netanyahu weren't adding a sixth eye to the Five Eyes.

00:08:35.000 The Five Eyes, I always thought sounded all right.

00:08:37.000 I think as a Five Guys burgers, it just sort of sounded a bit like friendly and not totally, I do want to say satanic, but Six Eyes, I don't know, man, that's taking it to another level and it's happening.

00:08:51.000 We also produce these incredible weapons that we share with the United States.

00:08:57.000 We produce intel that is invaluable for the United States.

00:09:00.000 You're familiar with the Five Eyes, Patrick?

00:09:03.000 You know what that is?

00:09:04.000 You know, all these countries that are part of the American intelligence system? 0.77

00:09:08.000 Well, there's a sixth high Israel.

00:09:10.000 It's a very powerful high. 0.53

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00:10:24.000 And we share our intel with the American intelligence services.

00:10:27.000 And that's why the bond is so strong.

00:10:29.000 It's not only a bond of values of our common Judeo Christian civilization. 0.52

00:10:35.000 And it is really a war of civilization against the barbarians that we're fighting. 0.60

00:10:39.000 But it's also a bond of utility, of great success.

00:10:46.000 That partnership is very, very strong.

00:10:49.000 I know it's challenged all the time, but it's very, very strong.

00:10:52.000 And you should talk to some of the people in the higher places in the Pentagon.

00:10:56.000 I wish you could talk to the people who share our intelligence or the weapon systems that we share.

00:11:02.000 I think that you'll discover that they appreciate.

00:11:05.000 As we appreciate enormously what America gives to us, and they appreciate what Israel gives to America.

00:11:12.000 Whoa, man, there's a lot going on in that interview. 0.57

00:11:14.000 Barbarians casually flung around, sixth eyes being added to the five eye civilization, Patrick Bet David having Netanyahu on at all. 0.60

00:11:24.000 The world is changing quite rapidly, isn't it? 0.74

00:11:27.000 More rapidly than I can be expected to tolerate, and yet we have no power in it.

00:11:32.000 Hey, do you want to come see me?

00:11:33.000 I'm doing a live performance on the 18th.

00:11:35.000 And on the 19th of May, I'll be talking about our Lord and our common Judeo Christian culture, as Benjamin Netanyahu called it.

00:11:44.000 Although, increasingly, isn't it our job as Christians to bring people to Christ and, in particular, the 12 tribes of Israel?

00:11:53.000 And is that a troubling thing to say?

00:11:58.000 I don't think so.

00:12:00.000 I don't know.

00:12:00.000 Let's see what happens.

00:12:00.000 No.

00:12:01.000 Let's see what happens.

00:12:02.000 Said it now.

00:12:03.000 Let's see how that goes.

00:12:05.000 I mean, we certainly know that this little guy is getting spied on all over the show.

00:12:10.000 Hey, listen, it's Friday.

00:12:13.000 Let's crack on with, in this instance, it's Russell and Dave because Joe is otherwise engaged.

00:12:23.000 Let's call it that.

00:12:24.000 All right, so yeah, crack on.

00:12:27.000 Oh, gosh.

00:12:27.000 Oh, yeah, you'll have to read that thing out.

00:12:29.000 Do you have that thing on the screen?

00:12:31.000 Which button is it?

00:12:33.000 Sorry.

00:12:34.000 52.

00:12:36.000 Thank you.

00:12:37.000 Thank you very much.

00:12:38.000 Thank you.

00:12:40.000 I'll do it, shall I?

00:12:42.000 Have you got it?

00:12:42.000 Or you do it.

00:12:44.000 Give it in Joe's voice.

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00:13:09.000 Crack on!

00:13:12.000 Credible access to the falsetto there from our beloved friend, Jake Smith.

00:13:17.000 On Crack On, we talk about addiction.

00:13:20.000 This might be a good place to talk for a start about that.

00:13:26.000 You know, about using psychedelics to get out of active addiction and using psychedelics to get over trauma.

00:13:35.000 In a way, there's no question that psychedelics can be pivotal in a person's spiritual journey.

00:13:42.000 Development, they were in mine.

00:13:44.000 At the time, I used to think that this LSD should not be being taken by me at a bus stop in Grays, but under clinical conditions or with a shaman in a feathery headdress, not here outside Lakeside Shopping Centre in the rain, terrified and anxious.

00:14:04.000 Because it's, you know, when you're 16, your identity is just coming together.

00:14:09.000 And if you sort of dismantle it and resolve it, although, Well, I suppose to cite Paul, he was there to save the Gentiles while being knitted together in his mother's womb. 0.66

00:14:22.000 So there is a version of yourself that's trying to be born.

00:14:24.000 And there's no question that psychedelics can help you to arrive at an uncluttered and recovered place, a redeemed place, an identity that's not of this world, an identity that's not your response to trauma and coaching and conditioning, but an identity that's real and true and in God.

00:14:42.000 But you're saying, Dave, and I would back this up, that it's not enough to just like have some powerful ayahuasca experience.

00:14:49.000 Because, me, I feel like if I had a powerful ayahuasca experience, the very next thing that I'd want would be another powerful ayahuasca experience.

00:14:57.000 In fact, the main challenge I have is like not really wanting to be here.

00:15:00.000 And I would prefer to remain in a kind of spirit, is what I would probably call it.

00:15:08.000 I prefer to stay in spiritual states.

00:15:10.000 I find being in the world and in the body pretty difficult.

00:15:14.000 And I think that sometimes what we're trying to do is kind of Defibrillate a spiritual charge out of dead matter, out of density, out of thick things, you know, like food or sex or whatever, trying to get it, trying to rest satisfaction out of this world.

00:15:29.000 So let's start with the spiritual nature of our condition.

00:15:35.000 And what happens if something that's plainly spiritually powerful, like the use of psychedelics, comes into conflict with the idea of total abstinence?

00:15:49.000 I mean, I think, would you take them today?

00:15:51.000 I'd like to.

00:15:52.000 I'd take them every day.

00:15:53.000 I'd take them from the minute I get up to the minute I went to bed if I could.

00:15:57.000 I'd like it's, I mean, in a way, what is it you're looking for right now?

00:16:02.000 My life is so beset with really sort of what seemed to me to be sort of gargantuan challenges that the idea that I could live, you know, when we watched that video one time of Thailand and there was like a waterfall and, you know, like sort of on a comet, I really kind of want to live like that now.

00:16:17.000 I really want the opposite of going to New York and arguing with Piers Morgan and Megyn Kelly.

00:16:24.000 I'd like to live in a lagoon.

00:16:24.000 Me too.

00:16:28.000 I'd be okay just sitting in a field, I think.

00:16:30.000 A field?

00:16:31.000 Just don't even have to have water.

00:16:34.000 You've got to have access to water, Jake.

00:16:36.000 That's necessary for human survival.

00:16:39.000 But like, so, you know, and what's really interesting is when people say, no, like plant medicine, it's not drugs.

00:16:45.000 And I recognize it's not drugs like cocaine, although that is plant derived, or heroin, although that is also.

00:16:51.000 Plant derived in this is like it's medicinal in so much as its sort of explicit purpose is to induce the spiritual state.

00:16:58.000 But it's just so strange when that kind of thing gets sanctioned when that thing's got the government's fingerprints on it, even when it's people in the government I sort of deeply admire, like Robert Kennedy and people from the media space, like Joe Rogan, who I hugely respect.

00:17:12.000 I still think, oh man, as an addict, this ain't gonna work.

00:17:16.000 I think if they were, if it was just them to bring it to fulfillment, right, I would not, then I wouldn't feel like it was tainted.

00:17:26.000 But the fact that they're just going to get it passed, but like who's actually going to be benefiting from it and all that, then I feel like, I don't know, we'll see on that.

00:17:39.000 I would think of it when I think of doing that, I think of it as just checking out.

00:17:45.000 Yeah.

00:17:46.000 And so anything that's allowing me to just check out, I would almost consider it a relapse if I did it.

00:17:55.000 Yeah, so would I.

00:17:56.000 Even though I know that.

00:17:56.000 I mean, it would be.

00:17:57.000 Like, especially with ayahuasca, I believe, it's not.

00:18:02.000 It's not like just taking some acid.

00:18:07.000 It's not always a great experience, the first part of it, at least.

00:18:10.000 And it's not like people, I think people get tripped up on the idea that it's a sort of Epicurean that is about the pursuit of pleasure.

00:18:10.000 No.

00:18:19.000 All drugs make you vomit.

00:18:21.000 If you do them properly, alcohol will make you vomit, and weed will make you vomit, crack will make you vomit, smack will make you vomit.

00:18:28.000 It's not like, oh, it's bodily uncomfortable.

00:18:30.000 Any serious drug addict is going to push right through that.

00:18:34.000 I'm interested in like, That the profound, I mean, profound in the literal sense, deep, that underneath your identity as who were you before you had that name?

00:18:46.000 Who were you before you had that body?

00:18:48.000 Who were you?

00:18:48.000 Like, there's something getting accessed that's extraordinarily powerful.

00:18:53.000 Man, last night I was lying in bed.

00:18:55.000 I was doing a, like, my baby was waking up.

00:18:58.000 So I was like, I had to turn the lights off, even though I weren't really ready to finish reading.

00:19:01.000 I wanted to read some more of Jamie Winship's book, actually.

00:19:05.000 But the baby was waking up.

00:19:06.000 So I turned the light off and I was doing a rosary.

00:19:10.000 You know, I do, I chant the rosary, something I don't chant, I just say it in my head.

00:19:15.000 Now, I had this while I was doing it, I'm thinking, okay, so Christ, you're real and you're here now.

00:19:23.000 And the Holy Spirit, that's God's spirit.

00:19:25.000 That's the spirit of God that raised Christ from the dead.

00:19:29.000 It's the spirit that created all reality, material and non material, observable and non observable.

00:19:36.000 And just this morning when I was trying to explain the nature of consciousness to my seven year old and my nine year old, I was going, do you know what consciousness means?

00:19:44.000 And they went, no.

00:19:45.000 And it goes, it's like awareness, and consciousness is the recipient of sensory information.

00:19:49.000 Like you can see all this stuff with your eyes, but who is it that's seeing it?

00:19:53.000 It's like awareness, and it's the experience of being you in the world.

00:19:57.000 That is consciousness, and you can meet Christ there.

00:20:00.000 And last night, I was having an experience of, like, okay, so Lord, what do you want me to know?

00:20:06.000 What do you want me to know right now?

00:20:08.000 Who do you want me to be?

00:20:09.000 What am I supposed to do with all this?

00:20:11.000 What do you want me to do with the challenges in my life, the trials, figurative and literal?

00:20:17.000 What do you want me to do?

00:20:18.000 And, like, what I felt intimacy, I started to feel some intimacy.

00:20:23.000 And I think that this idea of intimacy is an important one because, like, as a person that slept around a bunch, like, intimacy is kind of one of the ingredients, one of the essences rather than ingredients that you're pursuing.

00:20:36.000 I also think there's a kind of anesthesia that drug addicts, like you said, checked out.

00:20:40.000 I love checking out, man.

00:20:42.000 I can do that now with a TV, though.

00:20:43.000 You can do that.

00:20:44.000 Like, sometimes I'm, I grew up so much staring at screens anyway, and I'm, I, you know, my childhood predates the screen ubiquity of the modern era.

00:20:54.000 I like just staring at a TV and like, ah, coming down.

00:20:59.000 Like, but last night I felt like I experienced, and again, this is something that's sort of quite new to me.

00:21:08.000 The presence of, oh, yeah, what would it be like?

00:21:11.000 Because, like, I'm not going to, I don't feel like I'm going to experience Jesus in a kind of a South Park way or in a nativity, like, hello, Russell.

00:21:20.000 Like, you know, what are you going to do?

00:21:21.000 Envisage his face, a face that's a bit like mine, a bit like the Turing Shroud, a bit like Jake's, a bit like anyone that's got long hair and a beard.

00:21:27.000 Is that what you're looking for?

00:21:28.000 Or is it going to be, given that we're talking about, we're talking about bursting the bank's cup run of over realities that don't fit into your own, your contemporary understanding of what reality is and what reality's limits are?

00:21:40.000 So, while I was doing that, I'm like obviously incanting a prayer that's about the mother of God, the person that held God in her body and birthed God.

00:21:50.000 And what is the rosary?

00:21:52.000 I know like none of you guys are Catholic and Joe's not here to stand up for it.

00:21:57.000 But the idea of the divinity of Mary is obviously based on the fact that our Lord grew in her and how pure a person would have to be to undertake that task and on what kind of level of self abnegation.

00:22:11.000 So, that a person would have to undertake to.

00:22:13.000 Fulfill that.

00:22:14.000 And while I was sort of saying those things, I was feeling like a kind of an openness to, like, the point of praying to Mary, I suppose the Catholics would say, is like, you daren't approach our Lord.

00:22:25.000 Now, that's one of the things that I don't agree with because I think the whole point of Jesus is direct access to God.

00:22:30.000 I don't want another layer of brokerage after the curtain's been torn, temple curtain's been torn asunder, and after you've been granted that level of access.

00:22:39.000 However, as I'm sort of doing it, I felt like I was really dropping into something deep and beyond my personhood, beyond what I think about myself, what I believe about myself.

00:22:47.000 Good or negative, it was sort of like all just melting away as I lay there silently in my mind chanting.

00:22:54.000 And then, though, I started to feel darkness.

00:22:58.000 I felt the presence of like what I would call demonic evil.

00:23:04.000 Like, because if you're in absolute fields, if you're in a boundless field of reality, like the field that Jake wants to live in, like you are going to encounter not just whatever essential forces drive good, but whatever essential forces drive evil.

00:23:19.000 And I think actually the alcoholic is like a self designated priest, an uninitiated priest who said, I can't be in this world.

00:23:19.000 Evil.

00:23:28.000 I'm out.

00:23:29.000 I'm entering into a kind of a cult or I'm entering into a kind of monastery.

00:23:35.000 But because it's not got disciplines or rituals or routines or ceremony, what it's actually going to focus on is the end goal of the spiritual life altering your inner state so that you are not identifying with who you think you are or what the culture says you are.

00:23:50.000 And that's obviously dangerous.

00:23:51.000 And messy and crazy, and shouldn't be in the hands of kids just doing drugs on their own, but neither should it be in the hands of some of the worst corporate criminals in the world.

00:24:01.000 Now, again, like you say, I trust Joe Rogan and I trust Robert Kennedy as much as I trust any person, any leader, any powerful people, of course.

00:24:09.000 But it's so odd for me, fascinating in a way that I've still not fully understood that the culture and politics are getting right into the sort of molecular level of reality and messing around in there.

00:24:22.000 This could just be more profit earring, just like AI or whatever, pick a news story.

00:24:26.000 But Dave, you know, like you're an addict just the same as me.

00:24:31.000 You're a person, therefore, that can't fit in this world just the same as me, that you're a suicide risk if you are just left on your own. 0.78

00:24:38.000 And I am.

00:24:40.000 I suppose what I'm asking you, mate, is do you see that there's some not forming there?

00:24:47.000 Like, there's something going on in that moment in the White House.

00:24:49.000 It's like there's something going on that I don't fully understand, but I want answers on.

00:24:55.000 Even bring into it the fact that aren't you friends with one of the people that represented the government in the opioid crisis?

00:25:01.000 Yeah.

00:25:03.000 I think there's so much going on there in the spiritual world that I think there's a lot going on there in the spiritual world.

00:25:10.000 Um, What's the Jake?

00:25:12.000 You remember in the Bible it has the story of where he opens the eyes where they could see the spiritual army.

00:25:21.000 Is that Ezekiel?

00:25:22.000 Yeah, the Ezekiel.

00:25:24.000 Like surrounded, but they're surrounding that enemy.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 Why is that?

00:25:28.000 Yeah.

00:25:29.000 Or is that Elijah or Elisha?

00:25:32.000 I think it was one of the.

00:25:34.000 I think it was Elisha.

00:25:35.000 Yeah, you've mentioned this before.

00:25:37.000 Why are you still getting right now, mate?

00:25:39.000 I think if we could see in the spiritual world around that, I mean, you just see.

00:25:44.000 I don't know what you'd see.

00:25:46.000 I don't think about it much just because there's not really clarity around it.

00:25:52.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:25:54.000 I think there's a lot going on around us.

00:25:58.000 I think in the last few weeks, especially with Jamie coming in town, talking about fears and identities, I've felt more growth in the last month probably.

00:26:08.000 What is going on?

00:26:08.000 Yeah, I have.

00:26:10.000 And resistance too.

00:26:11.000 Yeah.

00:26:12.000 Some of it not necessarily.

00:26:16.000 Demonic, some of it's just my own self will resistance, too.

00:26:19.000 So, but say when someone says that it's endocrinal or hormonal or menopausal or manic depression, don't you think that's just one tier of analysis?

00:26:31.000 Like, what's going on?

00:26:32.000 You know, what is self will really?

00:26:34.000 Well, self will for me is the nexus via which Satan or I'm trying to find the right vocabulary for all this stuff so I don't put people off, but evil or fallenness or destruction.

00:26:45.000 Or malevolence traps you.

00:26:48.000 When I'm in myself, which I am much too much of the time, that's when I'm vulnerable.

00:26:53.000 And even when I'm in a kind of neutrality, I'm vulnerable.

00:26:57.000 I'm only not vulnerable to the schemes of the fallen one when I'm directly involved or directly connected to Christ.

00:27:05.000 And what I mean by that is if it's like, it's not always bloody mysterious and amazing.

00:27:10.000 Sometimes it's just like, what are you supposed to be doing right now?

00:27:13.000 What are you supposed to be doing right now?

00:27:13.000 Be kind.

00:27:15.000 What role are you in?

00:27:17.000 In this moment, you're a father or you're at work.

00:27:19.000 And the problem, one of the challenges I have is that I feel like the role that's coming out is see, these shows have been crazy.

00:27:27.000 The last one we've done and this one, right?

00:27:28.000 But I know that part of the role that I'm moving into is more like this, but it's new.

00:27:34.000 It's very new.

00:27:36.000 Like, I don't want to be involved at all.

00:27:39.000 And I, but this is who knows, this could be just selfishness in management, bureaucracy, operations.

00:27:44.000 I feel like I want to sit in front of a temple, I want to sit and meditate and pray and then be brought out.

00:27:50.000 To talk and deal with spiritual things and then taken back in there.

00:27:53.000 Now I know I've got to look after.

00:27:54.000 I'm a father, I'm a householder, I'm a normal dude.

00:27:56.000 I'm a normal dude with kids, you know, and I know I've got to do all that stuff.

00:28:00.000 And then when that man and when that unfolds into like, even you, a lot who are trying to do this sort of more, you know, this is a relatively, I don't mean this in a derisory, obviously, way, innocent sort of place to live.

00:28:10.000 You know, you're not living in London or Chicago or Dallas where the culture would be, Addy, like, yeah, sorry, I shouldn't use particular names, but like, you know, one more of the older daughters, you know, and that'll be my daughters in a few years are, Getting pulled into some crap, you know, like, you know, like they're on this thing now, like some sort of terrible screen that's pulling them this way.

00:28:31.000 We're in this, and you still have to go and do all of the baseball stuff and all that.

00:28:34.000 You know, the world's so greedy and porous and magnetic, and I sort of don't want to be in it anymore.

00:28:41.000 And I don't mean that in a suicidal way, I mean it in established communities outside of it and live in alignment and live in truth.

00:28:50.000 And I see like the appetite for it is real, like people that are in normal, let's call them normal American churches.

00:28:56.000 They want it.

00:28:56.000 They want a richer, more vivid, vital experience of Christ.

00:29:00.000 People that have just spilled into the world recognizing, oh no, like whether you're purchasing Lamborghinis or rattling around in Target, they're recognizing, oh no, everyone, this is precipitous.

00:29:14.000 We're at the edge.

00:29:16.000 The old ways aren't working.

00:29:17.000 That's what it feels like.

00:29:18.000 It's just like whatever was familiar, whatever, even things that you could go back to for some sort of sanity or control, don't work anymore.

00:29:29.000 So we're.

00:29:30.000 I think we talked about it a lot.

00:29:32.000 Like we're in this unknown and there is resistance and we still can't see what's ahead, but we're sort of just trying to take it a day at a time.

00:29:42.000 So I'm grateful for it.

00:29:42.000 They never really did work.

00:29:44.000 We had our security and other stuff.

00:29:45.000 It's just getting exposed.

00:29:47.000 Yeah.

00:29:48.000 I do think not just in Christ when you're, you know, sitting down on your knees doing the rosary at night, but I think I've been thinking quite a bit of just being grateful for the deep friendships I have.

00:30:02.000 Because other guys, like, I mean, Christ went well with us on a plane or wherever we're going, you know, at Tucker's or other places on mission, too.

00:30:13.000 I really feel it there.

00:30:16.000 And, and like they're experiencing it day by day with other guys like you and Jake and other and Micah and Robert, like guys that I'm close with.

00:30:31.000 And talking to them and talking.

00:30:32.000 A lot of times, I think it looks like when they see something, then they're like, hey, are you getting resentful?

00:30:38.000 Or, you know, they're looking out for my six.

00:30:44.000 Like your back, looking out for your back.

00:30:46.000 What was it that you just said? 0.99

00:30:48.000 Looking out for your six.

00:30:49.000 So, like, check your six.

00:30:51.000 Check your six.

00:30:51.000 Six o'clock.

00:30:53.000 Six o'clock.

00:30:53.000 Ah.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 Nice.

00:30:57.000 Hey, that story was Elisha, 2 Kings.

00:31:01.000 When Elisha prayed, open his eyes, Lord, that he may see.

00:31:08.000 And then the Lord opened the servant's eyes and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

00:31:17.000 He thought he was like, you know, down and out and the enemies were too big.

00:31:22.000 He just said, open his eyes.

00:31:24.000 I think that's a good prayer always.

00:31:26.000 Open my eyes.

00:31:27.000 Where exactly in Kings is that?

00:31:28.000 So I'd like to look at it.

00:31:29.000 It's 2 Kings 6.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, well, I suppose, see what, like in that moment of contemplation and prayer last night, I've had a felt experience of this is not reality.

00:31:45.000 Now, it's very difficult to encourage people to look at the world that way because it's invisible.

00:31:53.000 But that's throughout the book the kingdom of heaven is on the earth.

00:31:58.000 It's all about us.

00:31:59.000 You can't see it.

00:32:00.000 How am I going to explain this to you?

00:32:01.000 It's a bit like, you know, there's so, it's a bandwidth challenge, isn't it?

00:32:05.000 So, how do you explain to people?

00:32:08.000 Another layer of reality.

00:32:12.000 Don't be afraid, the prophet answered.

00:32:17.000 Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.

00:32:19.000 And Elisha prayed, Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.

00:32:22.000 Then the Lord opened the servant's eyes and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

00:32:32.000 As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha prayed to the Lord, Strike this army with blindness.

00:32:36.000 We struck them with blindness.

00:32:40.000 I reckon it's, um, yeah.

00:32:44.000 I'm trying to, like, a drug addict is trying to spiritualize the world.

00:32:48.000 You're trying to make the world spiritual.

00:32:50.000 Can you fulfill me?

00:32:51.000 Can you complete me?

00:32:53.000 Can you distract me?

00:32:55.000 And it can't, and it doesn't, and it won't.

00:32:57.000 And if you go the addiction, chemical dependency route, you'll realize it really, really quickly.

00:33:01.000 You'll realize it quicker, or you'll die trying.

00:33:04.000 And if you're still doing it in ways like mundane ways, It can take forever.

00:33:11.000 I think that people are suspended in this, in a false reality, in a false identity for the majority of their lives.

00:33:20.000 It's a sort of, it's one of the paths you can go.

00:33:22.000 It's the path that I was on.

00:33:23.000 And even when you're in it and on it, when you start to feel God and know God differently, it's very difficult to remain in it.

00:33:31.000 I drift in and out of it on a moment to moment basis.

00:33:35.000 I like where it says in the big book, their head in the clouds with God, but their feet firmly on the ground.

00:33:43.000 Yeah.

00:33:44.000 Where the work must be done.

00:33:45.000 Do you think that's pluralized?

00:33:46.000 Because I think that's hard to do on your own.

00:33:49.000 I don't think that's easy to do on your own.

00:33:50.000 And I like the way that Jamie talks about sort of a almost a collegiate identity of being part of a group or clan.

00:33:57.000 It's like, you know how to handle this situation, don't you?

00:33:59.000 Or are you better?

00:34:00.000 Because I'm not good at this.

00:34:01.000 I'm freaking out.

00:34:02.000 And like, you know, yeah, heading like when the spirit's on me, I can really do the head in the cloud stuff pretty nicely.

00:34:10.000 The feet on the ground, like, you know, I do tend to need assistance.

00:34:14.000 I run out of road a lot.

00:34:15.000 I run out of road.

00:34:16.000 I crash pretty bad.

00:34:17.000 I crash in it, man.

00:34:20.000 I see what this is. 0.93

00:34:21.000 All right, now check this out sex, huh? 0.66

00:34:24.000 Well, what possible problems could there be around that?

00:34:27.000 So, this is also what we're going to discuss today because one of the ways that we try to energize ourselves and energize dead matter is over sexualization.

00:34:38.000 Now, I went to a treatment center for sex addiction when I was.

00:34:41.000 Pretty young, actually, I was in my 20s.

00:34:45.000 And, um, for a sex addiction, yeah, Keystone, Philadelphia.

00:34:49.000 And, um, our man, because there was a regular rehab attached to it, and I did not like being on the bus with the, I mean, they were really lovely people, but excuse me, a lot of their problems were more, um, what I would say vividly and troubling.

00:35:05.000 Yeah.

00:35:05.000 And what I was there for was it co ed?

00:35:09.000 No, thankfully it was not.

00:35:10.000 I was there sort of mostly with men.

00:35:12.000 Entirely with men, but like some of them are like, you know, had some serious stuff going on.

00:35:18.000 Now, about sex, many of us needed an overhauling there, but above all, we try to be sensible on this question.

00:35:23.000 It's so easy to get way off track.

00:35:25.000 Here we find human opinions running to extremes, absurd extremes, perhaps.

00:35:28.000 One set of voices cry that sex is a lust of our lower nature, a base necessity of procreation.

00:35:34.000 That's Puritanism.

00:35:35.000 Then we have the voices who cry for sex and more sex, who bewail the institution of marriage, who think that most of the troubles of the race are traceable to sex causes, Freudianism.

00:35:47.000 They think we do not have enough of it or that it isn't the right kind.

00:35:51.000 They see its significance everywhere.

00:35:52.000 One school would allow man no flavor for his fare, and the other would have us all on a straight pepper diet.

00:35:57.000 We want to stay out of this controversy.

00:35:59.000 We don't want to be the arbiter of anyone's sex conduct.

00:36:01.000 We all have sex problems.

00:36:03.000 We'd hardly be human if we didn't.

00:36:05.000 What can we do about them?

00:36:06.000 It goes on to suggest that we develop sane and sound sexual ideals.

00:36:12.000 And, like, if you're a married man, your sane and sound sex ideals would be sex within the marriage.

00:36:18.000 I talk a lot to. 0.93

00:36:20.000 Gay people, you know, as a Christian, and like a couple of gay women actually.

00:36:28.000 And I'm really sort of navigating that territory of, yeah, what is wrong with same sex folks being in a relationship, loving one another?

00:36:40.000 And it gets good, it gets pretty nitty gritty because I'm like, you know, because I'm like a married man. 0.90

00:36:45.000 I wouldn't say that the erotic component of my marriage is what's driving it and defining it at this point.

00:36:52.000 What about you and your?

00:36:53.000 Partner, and she's like, Yeah, yeah, the same, the same.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, I like, and what I like is being in conversations where non judgment is the principle, and where this is where I think the old conventional church could benefit is from a bit of the old log in your own eye rather than the spec.

00:37:11.000 I feel like sometimes, like the Christian community, I feel like we're really into judging gay folks or whatever when people at our own church are looking at porn the whole time.

00:37:25.000 And that's why I loved it. 0.83

00:37:26.000 John Rich, very early in my walk with our Lord, John Rich, when I asked him about it, because he was wearing a cowboy hat and seemed like a Southern guy, which he is, he was like, no separate compartments in hell.

00:37:36.000 Like he just didn't get involved in that, in judging people for that.

00:37:43.000 Definitely, though, where I've gotten to is where you can get to pretty easily is all forms of objectification of sex that arouses suspicion, causes bitterness and resentment.

00:37:54.000 That should be.

00:37:55.000 Off the agenda for all of us.

00:37:58.000 And I've gotten to that place.

00:37:59.000 Like, you know, now say, like, we've all got daughters and a son each, actually, haven't we?

00:38:04.000 And there would have been a point not that long ago where I've said to my daughter, I'd have been grateful to say, Well, my daughters, you know, no sex outside of marriage, girls.

00:38:14.000 That's how our faith and our ideology handles this.

00:38:17.000 And I believe in it.

00:38:18.000 And this is why.

00:38:19.000 And I could tell them.

00:38:21.000 But I would have been with my son.

00:38:22.000 But you, lad, you get like, but now, not even that.

00:38:26.000 Now I'll be like, And you also, I can tell you.

00:38:29.000 This is the safe way.

00:38:29.000 Do not.

00:38:30.000 This is what our.

00:38:31.000 This is.

00:38:32.000 Thankfully, there's a way back for those of us that mess up, but.

00:38:35.000 You ever hear the, uh, you ever watch Yellowstone, the country TV show?

00:38:40.000 I haven't. 0.98

00:38:41.000 John Dutton, like the main country dude on it once, uh, he was giving a speech and he said, with daughters, you try to keep them from getting fucked. 0.99

00:38:49.000 With sons, you try to keep them from fucking themselves. 0.98

00:38:53.000 I'll always remember that it's like your two things between, like, you, like, you really worry for your daughters. 0.99

00:39:00.000 You're like, man, I want to keep their purity.

00:39:02.000 I do.

00:39:03.000 I shouldn't say we. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Uh, I, I want them to remain pure and I want them to have a husband that loves them and, Committed to him, and then with my son, I just want him to keep his dick in his pants. 1.00

00:39:19.000 You're saying, beloved, did you see your major once we open that bottle? 0.99

00:39:27.000 It's gonna change in this room.

00:39:31.000 I just want to see where he even is.

00:39:34.000 Best believe it.

00:39:36.000 What's going on, darling?

00:39:38.000 You're all right.

00:39:39.000 I thought I'd better jump on.

00:39:40.000 I can't leave my little box or just a little black square. 1.00

00:39:43.000 It was horrible. 1.00

00:39:45.000 It was like Black Lives Matter, which they do. 1.00

00:39:48.000 I feel a void, don't I? 1.00

00:39:50.000 You certainly do, mate.

00:39:53.000 So here I am.

00:39:54.000 You're filling that void too aggressively.

00:39:56.000 What's been going on?

00:39:57.000 Why are you late?

00:39:58.000 Talk us through it.

00:39:59.000 We're doing crack on actually now.

00:39:59.000 You're in the middle of it.

00:40:01.000 So we're talking about, we've talked about the complexity of prescribing psychedelics to treat addiction.

00:40:07.000 We've talked about the sex problems that we all face.

00:40:10.000 And now we're talking about you, Joe, and what you're doing.

00:40:14.000 And where you are and what's going on to the degree that you want to talk about it?

00:40:21.000 Well, yeah, that's a difficult one.

00:40:22.000 I'm on the way home.

00:40:23.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:40:24.000 I've been traveling a little bit, doing some logistics and security.

00:40:29.000 It's not been very successful, and I won't be doing it again.

00:40:32.000 I've had enough.

00:40:37.000 Life's hard enough, innit?

00:40:42.000 What was the outcome on the debate for psychedelics for addicts?

00:40:47.000 I'm always curious on that.

00:40:48.000 And funny enough, I had a call with someone about a week ago now.

00:40:53.000 And I remember having this same conversation with you, Russell, about five years ago.

00:40:59.000 And I was like, look, I think this is the answer.

00:41:01.000 It's going to help me.

00:41:02.000 It rewires your brain.

00:41:04.000 You take the psilocybin and it lights up these new pathways, new synapses form.

00:41:11.000 Then you take the lion's mane and that memorizes the new pathways.

00:41:14.000 And you're like a new person.

00:41:15.000 It rewires your whole brain.

00:41:16.000 This is it.

00:41:17.000 And you was like, nah.

00:41:20.000 No, you can't, mate.

00:41:21.000 Just hold off on it.

00:41:22.000 I remember being so disappointed, so disappointed.

00:41:26.000 But I had the same conversation with a younger lad recently.

00:41:29.000 And I said to him, look, mate, you follow this path, all these things change.

00:41:34.000 There's no quick fix, but in time, you're going to be all right and you're going to understand why you've got to go through these shifts of new feelings and life being a little bit more raw and having nothing to take it away.

00:41:47.000 But in time, That experience is going to be useful and it's going to, you're going to start to see, oh, I get it now.

00:41:54.000 I get why I had to go through that.

00:41:56.000 And, you know, and it was nice me having that conversation. 0.99

00:41:59.000 I thought, fucking hell. 0.98

00:42:01.000 That was like a good five years ago when I was told that. 0.99

00:42:04.000 And it really, he wasn't just palming me off with, look, don't do it for now and hoping I'll forget about it.

00:42:09.000 Like, it really does work.

00:42:11.000 If you follow this path, things change.

00:42:16.000 There you go.

00:42:17.000 When you said that psilocybin opens new neurological pathways, then the lion's mane fortifies them, it's so sort of comforting to find language that makes it seem plausible.

00:42:31.000 And perhaps even on some high level MRI, you could observe that happening.

00:42:38.000 But it's all phrenology in the end. 0.54

00:42:40.000 You remember phrenology was the science where they felt they could tell a person's, the Nazis liked it.

00:42:45.000 It that you could tell a person's character by feeling bumps on their skull in the end, all human ingenuity will just sort of collapse into meaninglessness because I think we're living in a fragment of reality that's so insignificant compared to the whole,

00:43:00.000 whilst it may bear its fractal essence, that all conclusions drawn from observing this tiny corner of reality are sort of moot, redundant, insufficient, and insignificant.

00:43:16.000 You can even make that.

00:43:17.000 Claim using contemporary astrophysics 90% of the world is dark matter, or excuse me, of the universe is dark matter and dark energy.

00:43:26.000 And through our instruments of amplification, microscopes and telescopes, and all forms of amplification, right down to double slit theory, detecting movement of electrons is a form of amplification, it's a form of observation.

00:43:40.000 We kind of accompany discovery instead of with awe, with a kind of contemptuous arrogance.

00:43:48.000 And I reckon those of us that are Like our own lab rats, where we're running experiments on our own consciousness.

00:43:56.000 Watch that lab rat video that I've got on the one I had on there for so long.

00:44:03.000 We should be very humble about what we can understand and what we can know.

00:44:08.000 It sounds like you've given some good guidance to that person.

00:44:11.000 Because the truth is, I too had a conversation with my sponsor where I was like, listen, ayahuasca does this and it rewires the networks and the part.

00:44:21.000 I mean, we're all having that rewired network.

00:44:23.000 It's like some sort of threesome.

00:44:25.000 Conversation with a long term wife.

00:44:27.000 Listen, this is what the threesome is gonna do for our marriage.

00:44:32.000 The threesome, ladies and gentlemen, it's gonna revitalize.

00:44:35.000 Can we do it with a guy? 1.00

00:44:36.000 Shut, shut.

00:44:37.000 No. 1.00

00:44:38.000 Threesome with a point two. 0.99

00:44:41.000 Power pointing our way through idiotic ideas and notions only to discover that you can't derive satisfaction from this world if only you manage properly. 0.98

00:44:52.000 The only way, the only way is through a kind of Death of the very thing that you're trying to fulfill, and that will come sure enough and fast enough. 0.99

00:45:01.000 But Jake Smith has for us this Do rats do therapy?

00:45:06.000 Well, do they?

00:45:07.000 Do men need therapy?

00:45:08.000 Believe it or not, no.

00:45:10.000 You know, a lot of research lately.

00:45:10.000 Really?

00:45:13.000 There was a study that I actually did with rats, and what they did is they put the rats in therapy.

00:45:20.000 They had the rats telling the rats that everything they were doing is okay, it's not their fault.

00:45:27.000 But the rats were actually still running around scaring girls and biting people.

00:45:31.000 They're still rats.

00:45:32.000 Yeah, they're still just running around. 0.84

00:45:33.000 Let me get this straight.

00:45:34.000 So they brought in a test group of male rats, and then they brought in a therapist. 0.94

00:45:39.000 Female rat therapist.

00:45:40.000 And she did therapy on these male rats, and at the end, they found that they're still acting like rats.

00:45:46.000 Pretty quickly, the rats started mating and running around, and girls still were freaked out by them when they saw them.

00:45:55.000 The therapy just doesn't work.

00:45:57.000 But the rats still wanted cheese.

00:46:00.000 Cheese is cheddar, you know?

00:46:01.000 Yeah.

00:46:02.000 Get the cheddar means money.

00:46:03.000 Yeah.

00:46:03.000 What is money?

00:46:04.000 Cheese.

00:46:05.000 No, currency.

00:46:06.000 Oh, currency.

00:46:07.000 Yeah, sorry.

00:46:08.000 And what is currency?

00:46:09.000 Power.

00:46:10.000 No, it's how you buy stuff.

00:46:12.000 Okay.

00:46:13.000 This is all of us now.

00:46:15.000 That's what we're doing.

00:46:16.000 That's our job, participating in that.

00:46:18.000 All right, then.

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00:47:33.000 Look at this sacrilegious madness.

00:47:41.000 The world's getting worse.

00:47:42.000 I saw some posts that said, like, if you watch Before Sunrise now, like that movie Ethan Hawke and that French actor, you're like, oh, God, everything's worse.

00:47:52.000 Everything's falling apart.

00:47:53.000 Like, the cities aren't so beautiful.

00:47:55.000 The world's not so beautiful.

00:47:56.000 Some innocence has been stripped back.

00:47:57.000 Now, of course, like, when I was a kid, older people said that stuff.

00:48:01.000 But, oh, man, it does feel like we're living in total deterioration.

00:48:07.000 This is not a time of ascendancy when it comes to the metrics of the world, is it?

00:48:12.000 It's collapsing.

00:48:13.000 What do you think is the best time period then?

00:48:16.000 The 90s.

00:48:17.000 What?

00:48:17.000 The 90s?

00:48:18.000 So, when you were young.

00:48:19.000 And out of the 60s.

00:48:22.000 Pop was coming up, like Jordan and all that, but in a pure way, it felt like.

00:48:28.000 I was sort of disillusioned already.

00:48:30.000 My life was so, because I had such a dreadful adolescence, I didn't like it.

00:48:36.000 And also, I don't see myself as connected to eras or time.

00:48:39.000 You know, like McDonald's, Coca Cola felt like kind of normal.

00:48:43.000 Yeah, not like before.

00:48:44.000 It's like, oh, they're trying to kill you.

00:48:47.000 It felt like Nike shoes, maybe the purest of the big things, pop stars, Michael Jackson.

00:48:56.000 Like, these things felt right.

00:48:58.000 Well, it sounds like you, like, I'm older than you, of course, but like, I didn't believe in the culture already.

00:49:03.000 Like, all of that, while all of that was happening, Coca Cola, McDonald's, or whatever. 0.71

00:49:08.000 I do remember when they built McDonald's in Grays, where I'm from, I was like, this is fucking brilliant.

00:49:13.000 Oh my God, we're getting a McDonald's. 0.52

00:49:15.000 Thank you so much.

00:49:16.000 It's more than we deserve, but we'll take it.

00:49:19.000 But it feels like such a long time since I've believed that the culture could do anything good.

00:49:26.000 And now I've been right in the culture's belly, like Jonah, and booted out of its blowhole, like Jonah. 0.88

00:49:33.000 I now don't have any, I'm actually sort of almost got a bristling allergy to it.

00:49:40.000 Like, you know, I can't get excited about nothing except for potentially.

00:49:47.000 Well, the archaeologists saying he's found Noah's Ark, it's not going to be Noah's Ark, is it?

00:49:53.000 Don't you like?

00:49:53.000 I mean, we'll look at it.

00:49:56.000 Let's see if we can get it up for Noah's Ark.

00:49:57.000 But part of the problem, one of the things is, you know, as all people go, there was some, the Turing Shroud, it's like a nuclear raid.

00:50:04.000 I don't think you, we're dealing with planes of reality that can't be fully reconciled.

00:50:09.000 Even though, like, when I read the Book of Acts, I was like, oh, my man, this is crazy.

00:50:12.000 This actually happened.

00:50:13.000 I can feel the people in it.

00:50:13.000 I get it now.

00:50:15.000 I can feel the humanity.

00:50:17.000 I don't think you can.

00:50:17.000 Provide the interstitial material that's going to make you rationally understand the miracles of Jesus.

00:50:24.000 I think they have to be understood on a sort of basis.

00:50:26.000 I think you have to be able to skip between planes.

00:50:29.000 I don't think you can go, see, look, here's this actual Noah's Ark.

00:50:34.000 You know, like it could have been so many things.

00:50:36.000 I would say it reminds me of the take from the Crown of Thorns.

00:50:39.000 Yeah.

00:50:40.000 It was probably one of the most negative received clips we've ever put out.

00:50:45.000 Like people were not happy about it.

00:50:47.000 Like, I don't even understand what y'all are saying.

00:50:49.000 Stop being gory about it.

00:50:50.000 Get into it.

00:50:51.000 Like, this is the Lord.

00:50:53.000 Be sincere.

00:50:54.000 Yeah.

00:50:54.000 I was a clip that was pretty interesting to just see people just go, that's not how I feel about it.

00:51:01.000 Right.

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:02.000 I can see why.

00:51:03.000 Because if you're like a lifelong Christian and then maybe you see something like that and you can really sort of use it as a meditation, I know Joe would have been into that because Joe likes the gore of the.

00:51:14.000 Or those people like people in the comments.

00:51:16.000 I like it.

00:51:16.000 That guy, Jeremiah Johnson, is a.

00:51:20.000 Like, come into bat for him.

00:51:21.000 Like, the guy who brought the. 0.88

00:51:23.000 Yeah.

00:51:24.000 They were like, that's not.

00:51:25.000 He's not like any other people.

00:51:27.000 He researches stuff like coming to his defense.

00:51:29.000 Pretty interesting.

00:51:30.000 Well, I've got his book at home. 1.00

00:51:31.000 We were just talking about like Christians perving on that stuff. 1.00

00:51:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:35.000 On the. 1.00

00:51:36.000 On the passion and stuff, I don't know why I find that awkward because for me, it's like you're dealing with something sort of unknowable.

00:51:45.000 And I reckoned I didn't get anywhere when I was thinking about the extraterrestrial Ezekiel stuff.

00:51:50.000 When I was going, Oh, well, maybe Noah's Ark though, maybe it was DNA that was being stored because how could you really get two giraffes and two water buffalo?

00:51:57.000 And like it doesn't work so, but maybe if they if like they were sort of interdimensional beings that were helping gather DNA and da and all of like that stuff, you know, I like that.

00:52:07.000 I guess I like ruminating on the sort of a Marginalia of it.

00:52:14.000 Like when it's like when you feel like you're dealing with some edge stuff.

00:52:16.000 I think like now I'm going to go read Enoch and I'm going to go read them sort of Gnostic Gospels just because I want more architecture.

00:52:23.000 I want more ammunition.

00:52:24.000 I want more material and fodder.

00:52:26.000 Not that I've, you know, understood 2% of what's in sort of the canonical Gospels.

00:52:32.000 But like I feel like dragging it into the material world is not what your men are doing with it.

00:52:39.000 That's what I would say. 0.98

00:52:40.000 And that's a bit like what I feel about that Iber Gain stuff. 1.00

00:52:43.000 Like, no, no, these institutions aren't going to work. 1.00

00:52:46.000 These institutions aren't going to resolve it.

00:52:49.000 See, when thinking about the first miracle being turning water into wine, an analysis like, oh, I see.

00:52:58.000 So, after Christ at a nuptial ceremony where we become, as his collective church, like the bride of God in this reinvigorated ceremony, the water of a thin.

00:53:15.000 Experience of being alive is going to be enriched and like transformative, like wine.

00:53:20.000 I can sort of like, like, as a poetic interpretation, I can get into.

00:53:25.000 But if someone says, you know, you actually, how he may have done that is because he may have been able to, da da da da, I'm like, if they took it from like a chemistry, they're like, well, hydrogen molecules, you can do that.

00:53:38.000 Maybe if he had these kind of lasers on his arms, like, I don't think that's the right direction to go.

00:53:45.000 Like, I think you're sort of, again, it's an affront.

00:53:48.000 To the mystery in some way.

00:53:49.000 Not that, you know.

00:53:50.000 None of that ever, like, brings me into more intimacy with him.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:53:55.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:53:56.000 Because, like, it's going to come down to.

00:54:00.000 See when, like in Grief Observed, when all of us are going to experience points where just normal life nearly destroys you, and then your actual human life ends because your body's going to expire one way or another.

00:54:16.000 And that, yeah, right.

00:54:18.000 That's not going to help if I've got some sort of scientific explanation for how this happened, or some very brutal explanation for the passion or something.

00:54:27.000 Because it'll still take faith to believe what they're showing you is actually true.

00:54:32.000 So, even if they showed you all the facts or they showed you, you would still have to take faith to go, Well, how do I know that that's real?

00:54:39.000 I know.

00:54:40.000 So, what about when you go to the places like when you go, This is the actual cave where or the actual?

00:54:40.000 Yeah.

00:54:45.000 I don't know, man.

00:54:47.000 Still takes the whole thing.

00:54:48.000 What if the whole thing's, you know, like when it starts, when you start to get nearer to feeling this is a simulation, you've been captured, your consciousness is sort of trapped in a kind of sphere of reality that you can only penetrate and break out of through accepting Christ.

00:55:05.000 You know, it's sort of, it's, There's so many kind of different threads and so many connections that have got to be sort of formed that it's not, you're not going to roadmap your way out of it by visiting a geographical location or having a real understanding of what it would actually be like to be whipped with a cat of nine tails or, you know, this is what it's like to hang in the sun on a cross.

00:55:25.000 It's like, it doesn't seem like that's where it is.

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 Well, I don't think you can.

00:55:30.000 I mean, the We Agnostic puts it really good where it says, we, you know, reason can get us up to the bridge, but we have to cross it in faith.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:55:40.000 And that I don't know if I've seen anyone come to know God.

00:55:42.000 It's like, oh, well, now I have enough factual evidence of something that I'm going to choose to believe in.

00:55:48.000 Isn't that like the Lee Strobel thing?

00:55:49.000 Like people that really enjoy that, they don't know.

00:55:51.000 Lee Strobel was doing some research to disprove that God is real.

00:55:55.000 And even those people, I feel like still it was by faith, like God grabbing a hold of them.

00:56:01.000 And because what happened to me was like, you know, it's weird because, of course, there are lots of people that still don't believe.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 But like what happened was.

00:56:11.000 Well, I've heard all of this stuff loads and loads of times before, and I think it's not true.

00:56:17.000 And now something's happened, and I'm like, oh, it's true.

00:56:20.000 It's true.

00:56:21.000 But then, even like C.S. Lewis goes through, or Mother Teresa, or presumably every great saint goes through times where you feel like, oh, Lord, it's pretty hard to believe in you right now.

00:56:33.000 I'm finding this difficult.

00:56:35.000 Why are you doing this?

00:56:36.000 I don't want this.

00:56:38.000 But I can't see any other path anymore.

00:56:42.000 I can't see any other path.

00:56:44.000 Like none of it.

00:56:45.000 Not nihilism, not hedonism, not suicide.

00:56:48.000 There is, like, it's just become the road gets narrower, narrower is the gate.

00:56:54.000 In the end, I keep praying to be able to surrender more.

00:56:58.000 I keep praying to be able to surrender more.

00:57:00.000 Let me surrender more.

00:57:02.000 Come see me in Florida.

00:57:04.000 Come see me.

00:57:05.000 Thank you very much for joining us for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:57:07.000 We'll be back next week, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

00:57:10.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - April 24, 2026

From Iran to London… It’s Already Spreading — SF708

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