In this episode of the Rambler Live Stream hosted by Russell Russell in Residence at Rumble, host Isaac Vellian is joined by Gina Carano to discuss whether or not we can trust any of our judicial institutions, the Merrick Garland hearing, and why we should all be worried about what's going on in the world around us, including what's happening in Washington, D.C. and what it means for us to be a part of it. Plus, we have a live Q&A session with the brilliant and beautiful Gina Carano, who has been fighting the Disney Corporation for years to force them to pay for their use of their own intellectual property, including the use of the word "prisons" in order to silence dissenters, and how they can be used as a weapon of war against us. And, of course, there's a little bit of Elon Musk thrown in for good measure, too. You'll have to come over to Rumble to hear all of that and much more! In the meantime, remember to subscribe to our new streaming service, Rumble, where you'll get access to all of our newest streaming services, including our newest episode of Awakened, where we'll be exclusively available in that sweet, sweet stream of freedom called Rumble! You'll love it! In this episode, you're going to see the future, and in this video, you'll see the past, and the future. In this is the present, and it's going to be the past. -Isaac, Rachit, R. Russell -R. Russell - R. . . . R.S. R. S. And in this episode you'll be able to join us on Rumble wherever you're watching us right now! RUMBLE CHAT! (featuring R.R. in Resume: ) (RUMBLE Chat: , R. R. (RIVE) & The Chosen Plus: R. M. (Coming Soon, coming soon! ) . . (coming soon!) RATE 5 stars on Apple Podcasts: Subscribe to R.V. , and R.A. is coming soon, RATE RATE! . RATING RATE: 5 STARS, RATING: 5 stars, 5 stars PRODUCING R. PODCAST: 4 STARS!
00:00:38.000Wherever you're watching us right now, we'll be available widely for 15 minutes, then we'll be exclusively available in that sweet stream of freedom called Rumble, facilitated by the great team here that includes Isaac, that even now is just Mending a monitor to ensure that we can produce this content to the standard that you deserve.
00:00:58.000In the rumble chat I'm looking at Trucker Hershey.
00:01:00.000It's going to take 8 to 12 years to fix America, he says.
00:01:02.000A lot of people are talking about Bobby Kennedy and the concept of voting for the lesser of two evils and whether or not Kennedy's family background.
00:01:10.000Oh look, some people, look, he's a commie.
00:01:11.000But I happen to know Bobby Kennedy and he's a pretty lovely man, as a matter of fact.
00:01:16.000But today we're talking about Trump And Biden and lawfare versus warfare and whether or not we can trust any of our judicial institutions is of course in light of the Merrick Garland story, the refusal to hand over the audio that may demonstrate or contain new information about Biden and those clandestine secret classified boxes that he had.
00:01:56.000Can we rely on the judiciary to be an objective system that objectively looks at situations and blindly judges right from wrong or will it end up being a weapon of whoever is in power?
00:02:10.000Do people use prisons now as a kind of weapon?
00:02:14.000I remember when it was controversial just that they made agent provocateur bras in there or number plates or whatever like should they be being paid?
00:02:22.000Is this a kind of rebooting of slavery?
00:02:26.000Now for the first 15 minutes we're going to be having a little bit of fun talking about that stuff but then my god what treat we got for you!
00:02:34.000Resh from her own lawsuit against the Disney corporation where you see a powerful entity like think what Disney used to mean Mickey Mouse that was it Mickey Mouse everything was so joyful like maybe a printer Stuff like that.
00:02:50.000Now, Disney, well, you know, everyone's got to be trapped.
00:02:55.000I don't know what culture means anymore, do you?
00:03:14.000I'm still in a very much in a learning phase, but certainly we need some values that are coming from outside of our culture, because our culture is about conflict, vendetta and vengeance.
00:03:24.000Throughout today's conversation, before we get to the brilliant and beautiful Gina Carano, you'll see hypocrisy and corruption.
00:03:31.000One side talking about free speech, but not respecting free speech.
00:03:35.000The other side using the judiciary and lawfare, but not respecting the principles that they're supposed to be protecting and supporting.
00:03:45.000Certainly you lot think that Merrick Garland should go to jail if Steve Bannon does.
00:03:49.000Bannon is happy with his martyrdom position and I say that the whole beast of politics is altering because think about about tell me what impact this has if you're watching this in the rumble chat Let me know.
00:04:01.000666 is in the Disney logo, says Freegan.
00:05:16.000Okay, let's have a look at... let's have a look how the political landscape is shifting or at least the
00:05:23.000clear the cultural landscape is shifting and tell me the feeling you get when you see
00:05:27.000This does this make you realize that hmm things are changing things are changing
00:05:32.000Who broke first in your opinion there Who broke first?
00:05:42.000Did Logan break first or did your man Donald Trump break first?
00:05:45.000In a minute we're going to be talking about the ongoing left-right lawfare, the ongoing legacy media lawfare, the ongoing attempt to jail dissenters.
00:05:55.000For a minute I just want to give you this from my country.
00:05:58.000The next prime minister of our country is presumed to be Keir Starmer.
00:06:02.000Now here is Keir Starmer talking about whether he prefers nation over globalist bureaucracy.
00:06:09.000This is from a few months ago, I think.
00:06:41.000Because Westminster is too constrained and you know it's closed and we're not having meaning.
00:06:49.000Once you get out of Westminster, whether it's Davos or anywhere else, you actually engage with people that you can see working with in the future.
00:06:58.000Westminster is just a tribal shouting place.
00:07:07.000Now if Merrick Garland can back a subpoena, how come Steve Bannon can't back the subpoena around Jan 6?
00:07:13.000Is the law an objective force or is the law simply a weapon of the establishment?
00:07:17.000Let me know what you think about that in the Rumble chat.
00:07:20.000Ginger277 and Mally J and Kyle Rhino, all of you let me know.
00:07:25.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to be there for a few more minutes.
00:07:27.000But the Gina Carano interview in which she talks about Elon Musk support her own war through lawfare with Disney, all of that stuff and woke culture and what its values are, all that will be exclusively on Rumble.
00:07:38.000And of course, you could have been with us for that by becoming an awakened wonder.
00:07:45.000If you watch CNN talking about Merrick Garland being subpoenaed in order to gain access to these tapes of Biden talking about his own classified documents and why he had them in boxes wherever he had them, do you remember when Trump went, my boxes they were in Mar-a-Lago, his were in a garage, it was disgusting, Let's have a look now at CNN covering this story.
00:08:07.000And it's very weird to try to discern right from wrong here, because the outrage of the anchor is clearly contingent on the target of the IR.
00:08:23.000This news just breaking on Capitol Hill.
00:08:25.000The GOP-led House of Representatives has just voted to hold Attorney General Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress for refusing to hand over audio tapes of special counsel Robert Herr's interview with President Joe Biden in his investigation over President Biden's handling of classified documents.
00:08:42.000The House is in possession of that transcript and has been for a long time.
00:08:47.000Andrew Weissman, it feels like every day we have When she says the perversion of the rule of law she doesn't mean conflating misdemeanors into felonies or bundling together a whole bunch of various misdemeanors in order to create one or altering the law specifically it seems in order to be able to
00:09:13.000Prosecute Trump or the jailing of Steve Bannon for something that seems comparable to what's happening here with Merrick Garland or the fact that Hillary Clinton isn't being prosecuted for the Steele dossier which would amount to a similar misappropriation of campaign funds for political purposes.
00:09:30.000Do you see that we need something transcendent?
00:09:32.000Do you see that we need something else?
00:09:34.000Do you see that we need to get beyond these institutions and these systems of corruption?
00:09:53.00025 minutes of that chat is going to be just available for you, AwakendWonders, on Locals, where she talks about this incredible vision.
00:09:59.000And I talk for a while about my baptism, and we both talk about The incredible contribution of Bear Grylls.
00:10:04.000So if you're watching this on YouTube, remember to subscribe to the channel, but click that link in the description and get on over to Rumble where we can speak freely like Sniki talking about Thomas Massie and the Apex.
00:10:14.000Yeah, we'll be covering that later in the week.
00:10:45.000And I quite frankly will be just as proud to serve my nation as a political prisoner in a federal prison for a misdemeanor by Nancy Pelosi as I was to serve my nation on that destroyer.
00:10:57.000When he was in the Navy, he's talking about that he's the duty of a patriot to go to jail.
00:11:02.000Donald Trump has said a similar thing.
00:11:05.000Now on the left, many of the most popular pundits and political figures are terrified themselves that they'll be jailed.
00:11:20.000But what's interesting is while they have their own hysterical concerns about incarceration, they never acknowledge the fact that they, or at least their party, their movement, is utilizing lawfare and the threat of imprisonment and actual imprisonment and actual criminal convictions with incredible pace and speed.
00:11:40.000Here's Rachel Maddow, or here's a story of Rachel Maddow saying that the migration camps
00:11:46.000that she says will be built will ultimately be used for political enemies.
00:11:50.000But the problem is, we know that when Trump was in office between 2016 and 2020, he didn't
00:11:58.000He didn't attempt to pursue Hillary Clinton through the courts.
00:12:03.000So it's one thing having your audience and your supporters chanting, lock her up, lock
00:12:08.000And it's another thing to change the law in New York State, bundle together a bunch of misdemeanors and create and concoct an actual criminal conviction on that basis.
00:12:16.000One thing is words and sounds and the other thing is the use of law, an objective tool made into a piece of weaponry against political opponents.
00:12:25.000Which if it was happening in another country, let me know what you think about this in the Awake and Wonder chat, Electric Steve.
00:12:29.000If this was happening in another country, you'd think it was crazy.
00:12:33.000Stop saying systems and name the wrongdoers and liars, says Tad H. You list them there in the rumble chat.
00:12:40.000If you're watching this on YouTube, we've got Gina Carano coming up soon, talking about, it's an amazing story, the way that Elon Musk came to support her.
00:12:54.000So Rachel Maddow, is concerned that she will be jailed if Trump comes to office.
00:13:02.000We didn't do that last time but I don't know if for some reason he's going to do it this time because he's going to employ more compliant people.
00:13:09.000Rachel Maddow says she's worried that Donald Trump returning to the presidency could mean she might wind up in camps intended to house illegal immigrants.
00:13:18.000And I don't want to be around those people!
00:13:20.000I like sticking up for them on the news, but don't you dare!
00:13:23.000Don't you dare put me in a cell with one!
00:13:25.000The MSNBC primetime host told CNN on Monday that she was worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who is openly avowing that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people.
00:13:36.000Maddow added, for that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he's planning are only for migrants?
00:13:41.000So yes, I'm worried about me, but only so much as I'm worried about all of us, because I'm a compassionate person.
00:13:47.000You could get into the nitty gritty of Joe Biden's history around immigration.
00:13:53.000You could get into Joe Biden Mimicking, emulating and plagiarising policies when it comes to the border crossing that have come straight out of the Trump playbook.
00:14:03.000You could pause for a moment to say that the problems that the Democrats and the neoliberal establishment have are all a result of their own moral failings, their own virtual signalling instead of virtuous action.
00:14:17.000And also AOC says that she's concerned that she could be thrown in jail.
00:14:22.000They're all worried about being thrown in jail when the only people that are being thrown in jail are right-wing figures and potentially the president or the former president of the United States himself.
00:14:33.000We're going to be on YouTube for another five minutes then after that we'll wrap up this story and then we're going to leave YouTube in a minute And then we will be wrapping up this story and then bringing you our Gina Carano conversation.
00:14:47.000We talk about tiny hats, we talk about MMA, we talk about who would win in a fight between me and her.
00:14:54.000Let me know in the chat who you think would win in a fight between former MMA champion Gina Carano and me, a person, a mere man, a mere, mere man just doing his best.
00:15:06.000Here's AOC threatening that she too will be thrown in jail.
00:15:10.000I don't think anyone should be thrown in jail unless there are legitimate convictions of criminal wrongdoing, that the law shouldn't be utilized to jail political opponents.
00:16:06.000Listen, if you're watching this on YouTube, you've got to click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble.
00:16:11.000We're going to finish off this story about lawfare and warfare, and we're going to pose you the question, what do you think can get us out of this?
00:16:17.000If the institutions have been corrupted and weaponized, what's our journey through?
00:16:24.000Is there a transcendent force that can guide us?
00:16:26.000And Does it take Dr. Phil to come up with the ideas that might end this war, bring America together again, and indeed make the whole world great again?
00:16:57.000Now, do we have objective justice or do we have justice as a weapon?
00:17:01.000And if our institutions that are meant to be representative of the kind of values that would usually be derived from divinity or some kind of connection With God?
00:17:14.000Why shouldn't we just fall backwards into nihilism?
00:17:17.000Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, said the satanist Alistair Crowley.
00:17:22.000Law means something because it's meant to be derived from principles that themselves come from God or at least some sort of objective universal principle.
00:17:31.000When the law is a weapon, it isn't the law No more.
00:18:03.000I take... I take him... It's weird, isn't it?
00:18:05.000Because language and saying stuff can't be worse than doing stuff.
00:18:11.000...his word when he says that he's going to round up people.
00:18:13.000I take him at his word when he threatens journalists.
00:18:17.000I take him at his word... I feel like what we saw in his first presidency was an amuse-bouche Like, if you want to reach a large audience and show that your finger's on the pulse of real America, the phrase amused bouche is unlikely to achieve that effect.
00:18:34.000Amused bouche is a phrase for people for whom the term hors d'oeuvre is considered too hillbilly.
00:18:40.000To what his intentions are, he has learned from his mistakes of appointing professionals, and he will not make that mistake next time.
00:18:49.000Okay, so a lot of people are terrified that they will find themselves on the wrong end of a jail sentence.
00:18:57.000That the systems of justice will be utilized and deployed to jail political opponents.
00:19:03.000But you can see that the left are certainly doing that to the right.
00:19:07.000And the right, you know, I guess having a go themselves, right?
00:19:11.000When it comes to dear old Merrick Garland and his refusal to respond to subpoena.
00:19:23.000What we need is someone to be big enough, strong enough, bold enough, moral enough to deploy some proper principles, some proper values.
00:19:30.000Otherwise after the election, in the event that Trump wins, you're just going to have the democrat party saying this election was illegitimate, it was Russian interference, He's a maniac, we should jail him, we should turn these institutions against Trump, or vice versa.
00:19:44.000You're going to need recourse to something bigger than you, something supreme, something divine, and it's taken Dr. Phil to try to bring up the concept of forgiveness and a set of principles that may, in the words of Michael Jackson, who I find myself quoting increasingly frequently, heal the world and make it a better place.
00:20:02.000Here's Dr. Phil trying to explain to Donald Trump The need for forgiveness and to put aside our weapons and come together in the spirit of love and unity.
00:20:12.000Retribution is going to be through success.
00:20:14.000We're going to make it very successful.
00:20:15.000We have to bring the country together.
00:20:19.000You know, because let me tell you this revenge thing.
00:20:23.000There's a lot of research and Dr. James Kimmel at Yale has done this research and seen neurologically in the brain that there's an addiction to revenge just like to opioid or whatever and that... Trump likes that bit.
00:20:41.000He likes that there's been some research at Yale.
00:20:45.000Even if people commit a crime and they get arrested for it, they see themselves as the victim and they want revenge against the person that arrested them.
00:20:54.000And then the person that arrested them gets hammered.
00:20:57.000So now that person says, okay, well, I'm not going to put up with that.
00:21:56.000I want to see the country survive because this country is not going to survive like this.
00:22:00.000And, uh, and really, you know, the expression, I think it's a great greatest theme ever in politics, maybe because it's the biggest movement.
00:22:08.000We want to make America great again, and that's what we have.
00:22:11.000A lot of people asking how is a criminal a victim?
00:22:12.000A criminal can be a victim of social circumstances.
00:22:15.000Think about times you've done stuff wrong in your own life.
00:22:22.000In the end we are all going to have to ask for forgiveness.
00:22:25.000We have to forgive ourselves for elsewise we are claiming that we are a higher tribunal than the one that has forgiven us.
00:22:33.000We are not in a position to condemn and judge anybody else, because were we to be evaluated on the basis of sin, then we would all be condemned.
00:22:42.000What Dr. Phil, I feel, is urging is recourse to higher principles, higher values.
00:22:48.000If your society and your culture is not built upon divine principle, Then it is ultimately going to be resource-driven.
00:22:55.000It's ultimately going to become about power.
00:23:03.000Apparently, objective institutions have been weaponized because we are incapable, without some access to the divine, to keep guard of higher principles.
00:23:12.000So, extraordinary though it may seem to say it, I love what Dr. Phil's doing here.
00:23:17.000He's talking to Trump about turn the other cheek.
00:23:24.000But Trump is very much in the game of political lawfare and warfare because hey that dude has been convicted of felonies which perhaps he would not have been convicted of were his name not Donald Trump.
00:23:38.000He ain't coming down the old Dr. Phil path of Christianity just yet.
00:23:41.000To do and I think you'll be very proud of the job we did.
00:23:45.000You know, the Pope has a book out that he's written.
00:28:19.000You might feel like you know what it's like to be at the centre of a media storm, but I've been criticised for having a tiny hat and it never stops hurting.
00:28:30.000People in the chat where we are now, our AwakendWonder chat on locals, say that it's too small, they ridicule it, they find ways to hurt me about the hat, but you like it, huh?
00:28:41.000I think the one thing you're missing is a feather.
00:29:20.000I don't know if you've ever seen the film Elephant Man about the trials of John Merrick.
00:29:27.000I've got a head that's it's an enormous boulder like head like if I'm in a hat shop like this hat is enormous it's actually made of foam it's a novelty hat available for American Major League Sports but my head is so large you know I've got a really like I've got a big head a big hat a big head same we have that in common then Can I say, I mean, I don't know if we have an image available but that is the exact type of hat that John Merrick the Elephant Man used to wear on top of his sack to give the sack a little panache, you know?
00:30:05.000I have no idea who this John Merrick is but it's sounding...
00:30:10.000Gina, David Lynch made a film in, I guess, probably the early 80s.
00:30:17.000It was produced by Mel Brooks, surprisingly, and I feel like John Hurt maybe won an Oscar for his portrayal of John Merritt, the elephant man, who was a Victorian circus freak.
00:30:28.000Who, due to a deformity, a serious deformity, was known as the Elephant Man, and a myth came up around him that his mother was trampled on by elephants.
00:30:38.000He toured around, you know, the circuses and freak shows of the UK, making a living from his unfortunate deformities and appearance, because even though it's just a century ago, People were more brutal then, or at least we thought, because actually it turns out that people conceal their brutality now in extraordinary ways, which we'll be discussing later.
00:30:59.000Their mendacity, their cruelty, often just dressed up as compassion and kindness, still seems pretty prevalent in our culture.
00:31:06.000People still enjoy making people into freaks, condemning people, parading people around and shaming them, often under the auspices of kindness and culture.
00:31:15.000But the simple truth is, is that Elephant Man wore a hat Just like your hat!
00:31:33.000Do you think people have gotten more cruel over the years or has it just been history repeating itself?
00:31:40.000Let me think about that, because that seems like a pretty serious question.
00:31:43.000I want to remind you of a quote by the great American writer, Ernest Hemingway.
00:31:48.000I've heard sentimentality described as unearned emotion.
00:31:51.000man and like all sentimental people he was also very cruel.
00:31:57.000I've heard sentimentality described as unearned emotion like you know
00:32:02.000a lot of us feel pain a lot of us feel sadness a lot of us feel sorrow but
00:32:08.000sometimes sentimentality is when you kind of pretend to have an
00:32:13.000emotion you don't really deserve that you haven't really earned
00:32:18.000Perhaps allying yourself to causes that are none of your business or pretending to care more deeply about something or using apparent, apparent, I don't know, virtue, you might say.
00:32:30.000And I wonder, man, I think it is a pretty cruel world.
00:32:33.000I mean, I know like you, I've experienced Some pretty serious public attacks.
00:32:40.000And what people tend to do these days is dress up their cruelty as, well, actually we're on the side of righteousness.
00:32:50.000We're standing up for vulnerable people.
00:32:52.000There's no question that there are people that are, have been penalized, punished.
00:32:57.000There are different groups of people that have been exploited over time.
00:33:00.000But one of the things I really wanted to ask you about Gina is, and this thing we've been talking about in our team here, Is it?
00:33:06.000Seems to me that you are a cast iron strong woman, MMA fighter, outspoken, like that's a hell of a smile that you just broke out.
00:33:15.000And when you have a brand that organizes itself around the celebration of strong women that can't actually handle it, When a strong woman is outspoken, has views outside of the mainstream, you get to measure what those values might be really.
00:33:37.000I wonder, I'd like to return to you the question, do you think society has got more cruel?
00:33:41.000And do you think that people are starting to use, trying to pretend that bad motives are good ones, using certain cultural tools that you yourself have had used against you?
00:33:53.000No, I think society has had the same kind of sin, the same kind of cruelty, just in different ways throughout history.
00:34:06.000I think if we look back at history, the way they used to persecute people, I think that, I mean, We at least don't have that going on right now.
00:34:16.000Nobody's hanging from crosses in America yet, right?
00:34:25.000The thing I liked about fighting was that you could train for an opponent that was training for you and that it would be an honest interaction between two people where the gates close and you look across the cage and you see the person's eyes and you realize It's you against this person and that's a fair fight.
00:34:49.000The thing I don't really like about business and Hollywood and all of that is that the knives come from everywhere.
00:34:56.000They come from the back, they come from the side, they are constant.
00:35:00.000It's definitely not a fair fight when you have massive corporations ganging up against, you know, singular people and You know they're able to just squash them and I bet 99.9% of the cases and every once in a while you get a couple of people, I believe you're one of them, which has been incredible to watch your journey and I hope that I'm one of them and I hope that it just
00:35:36.000It's just enough to check society to say, hey, we need to correct things here.
00:35:44.000We need to make sure that we're not getting just completely smashed by the big guy, by the big corporations and stuff.
00:35:54.000It's interesting that these organizations Organisations often claim to be acting on behalf of the interests of the vulnerable.
00:36:03.000I'm struck already, Gina, in our conversation by what appears to be your gentleness and sanguinity, your calmness as a person.
00:36:13.000I find it still baffling That you are a fighter because my own feelings about fighting are so extreme.
00:36:24.000I can't imagine how you deal with the fear and trepidation and anticipation of knowing that you're going to confront another person in a ring or octagon or whatever, a cage, and that it is just you against them.
00:36:43.000I sometimes, the psychological charge of that overwhelms me, particularly the idea of doing it in front of an audience, doing it at a competitive level.
00:36:55.000I think it's just such an example of incredible fortitude.
00:36:59.000And then when you describe that as being vastly different, somehow honourable in contrast with the way that you are attacked in a cultural space, it's a real interesting way of marking the lack of honour and principles that currently define our society.
00:37:18.000And I think that a lot of people feel this now, that we are morally adrift in spite of all the talk of morality and virtue and principles that seem to be defined in our culture.
00:37:29.000When that happened to you, mate, when you went from being sort of a celebrated artifact in the culture, in a celebrated Disney product, to being an outcast and attacked, can you tell me what that did to you emotionally, what it did to your well-being, what it did to your faith and your trust, and how it made you feel about yourself?
00:37:54.000Well, so while I was going through the whole cancellation process, well, there was an intense amount of pressure from Lucasfilm Disney to pretty much just push their own ideologies onto me, you know, and represent what we represent and say what we want you to say.
00:38:14.000And then demonizing you once you didn't, you know, comply with And then putting you through basically this horrendous humiliation session when you didn't comply.
00:38:29.000So while I was going through that in 2019, I feel like I was extremely naive.
00:38:35.000It's kind of like, I guess, being a born-again Christian.
00:38:40.000When you finally get saved and become a Christian, all of a sudden you're like, I want everybody to know, you know, I found out about this thing and it's the most incredible thing and you got to know Jesus, you know?
00:38:54.000Well, in my case, in 2019 and 2020, I was like, Oh my gosh, like there's a lot of corruption.
00:39:08.000And, um, it was so, It was so bewildered me that, like, we weren't on the streets marching for being locked down or for being mandated or for being, you know, it just blew my mind.
00:39:20.000I was like, oh, for sure, America will be on the streets.
00:39:23.000You know, the punk rock and like the, you know, the phase that I grew up in, like the grunge, like the people that weren't going to comply, that we were going to be on the streets and we were going to say, no, you're not going to lock us down.
00:39:36.000And the complete opposite happened and it flipped my world upside down.
00:39:41.000Um, and so it was really, uh, I'm sure, I don't know if you've ever felt this way, but like, have you ever had anxiety so much that your skin hurts and your, your body hurts and it's, it's anxiety just coming through your body.
00:40:02.000And I was experiencing a high level of, um, paranoia, a high level of, um, you know, When you know when somebody is trespassing into your uncomfortable zone in yourself, and that kept on happening over and over.
00:40:21.000So for about, I'd say a little less than a year, it was this torture session of trying to just say, I'm not doing anything wrong.
00:40:29.000I'm just not doing what you want me to do.
00:40:38.000And so flip to, you know, three, you know, years later, as you can see, there's no, I just, I'm moving into my house today.
00:40:50.000So it took me three years to rebuild back.
00:40:55.000Actually, today and yesterday, I'm moving into a home.
00:40:59.000And it's just took me this long physically, emotionally and spiritually to get to a place where I get to wake up in my own bed and with my own view and just I'm truly just like grateful.
00:41:16.000But it did take three years of my life of being called the worst things and you know, I did not do anything wrong.
00:41:26.000I didn't say anything wrong and It's just unfortunate, but what I hope happens through what happened in my scenario is that it'll make it that much more difficult for it to happen to the next person and the next person and everybody will just keep getting stronger by speaking their heart and their, you know,
00:41:47.000Speaking their heart out a little bit more.
00:41:51.000I recognize that thing that you said about when the skin is burning and when you're consumed by fear and anxiety and paranoia, because I've had it happen to me.
00:41:58.000And another friend of mine, who of course I won't name, who's been through the same thing, says that a human being is not evolved to experience that level of condemnation, that level of attack.
00:42:24.000He says, like, you know, you're evolved to maybe think about like, oh, no, I hope the crops don't get blight or, you know, you're evolved.
00:42:31.000We're not evolved to sort of feel that.
00:42:34.000And it does feel extraordinarily mechanical and terrifying and sort of you can't have like a reasonable conversation about morality and virtue because actually deep down that's not what's being discussed.
00:42:46.000You can't say listen I know that I was promiscuous and that my conduct around women was not the man I should be and not how I would want to raise my son and how I'd want to raise my daughters but you can't turn that into what you have claimed and are claiming using the media machinery and government agency.
00:43:18.000And the fact is, it's like we're all deeply, darkly Human.
00:43:24.000And what's happened with social media is we're all kind of realizing just how human everybody is.
00:43:33.000And we all have a past, and we all have things we regret, and we all have things we've done that, you know, shown in the light of day we would be so, you know, ashamed of.
00:43:43.000And it gets, you know, pinpointed on certain people.
00:43:46.000And then when it gets pinpointed on certain people, the opportunity is to take that as a, you know, let's make an example out of these people who have changed their life around, who have, you know, making a positive impact on the world.
00:44:01.000And let's make an example out of them, because they don't want that.
00:44:05.000They don't want that goodness in the world.
00:44:07.000And I think you really touched on something.
00:44:12.000Um, I, when I was really little, uh, when I was like 19 years old, my favorite verse in the Bible was that his sweat turned like blood and it was right before they came to collect him.
00:44:33.000Oh my word, like he was under so much anxiety and or persecution that his his actual sweat turned like blood and I think there's an there's an actual scientific name for it.
00:44:50.000But it's um, Yeah, it's been awful to not look at each other as humans, to try to force ideologies off on each other.
00:45:05.000It's just been kind of like, for the last four years, I'm like, this world is not going to make it that far if we keep going in this direction.
00:45:30.000I mean, I know you're talking about like... I was happy for you like a long time ago, but I'm happy for you even more now.
00:45:37.000You're talking, thank you, thank you, that's so beautiful of you, thank you.
00:45:40.000You're talking about like, with the sweat to blood, you're talking about the agony in the garden of our Lord and Saviour as God in human form experiences terror and dread.
00:45:52.000And sometimes when I consider that, I was invited in fact to consider that during these trials and this agony, it's not like Christ is, well, I'm God actually, so this is all fine and I'm going to be all right.
00:46:08.000Jesus experiences it, so that Christ's sacrifice and Christ's affinity with us is the opposite of the sentimentality we were talking about a minute ago.
00:46:18.000It's the opposite of, in fact, and it sort of shows you why the coming to earth in human form is necessary and why the sacrifice is necessary to create this A new covenant between our kind and God.
00:46:31.000A new covenant where we are redeemed by Christ, not redeemed by our peers, not redeemed by the state, not redeemed by our own virtue, but redeemed by Christ.
00:46:42.000If all of us were given what we deserve, we'd all be damned.
00:47:02.000It's so bizarre that same people that were saying, kneel down, apologize, you know, do what we say just to get in our good graces, are the same people that have made horrendous, awful mistakes.
00:47:20.000And all it would really take, in my case, it's just like, Okay, well now you want to lead by example as a massive multi-million dollar company that's shielding themselves behind goodness and Disney, you know?
00:47:36.000Why don't you show us what an apology, a genuine apology was?
00:47:40.000Because they gave me one of those No, I'm not going to do that.
00:47:44.000by the publicist, you know, I need to re-educate myself, blah, blah, blah, you know, one of
00:47:50.000those. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. I think those are ridiculous. So what
00:47:55.000I will do is I will write you out a full blown statement with, from my heart.
00:48:03.000And that's actually something that I hope that once we hopefully move forward in the court case, I want that to be read out loud in court None of the emails that I had sent, I want the court to know that.
00:49:23.000It's just, it's been, but at the same time, having said all of that, you know, I feel like God has really kind of chosen me for this moment and that's okay because I knew that had the same thing happened to another actress as severely, I think my cancellation was one of the more severe Star Wars cancellations ever, which is saying a lot because Or in Hollywood, I think it was one of the more severe ones.
00:49:53.000You know, like had it happened to another actress, I don't think I don't know how they would have handled it.
00:50:01.000I think that that's where people end up committing suicide.
00:50:04.000I think that's where they end up with, you know, a lifelong pain and suffering.
00:50:17.000And I'm trying to heal from it, which is the last three years.
00:50:20.000And now I'm moving into this house, and I've got the court case, and I've got a new manager.
00:50:27.000And I want to figure out how to keep pushing to show people that life after cancellation and being persecuted like that, you know, exists.
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00:53:40.000And because it showed up out of the blue, it was really interesting.
00:53:44.000I had prayed a week before, so it took me a long time to, you know, cause you get so upset sometimes you just want, you want justice, right?
00:53:54.000I think justice in the world is like, All of us just want some justice to happen so that we can maintain some sort of civilization of not being just railed over and saying, you have to take this injection and not, you know, we want some justice to happen.
00:54:13.000So with my case, as soon as I let go of the fact of, okay, well, it might not be justice the way I want it, or I think I want it.
00:54:27.000You know, like I have my dream of like, oh, this would be wonderful because I could do all of this if I, you know, won this battle.
00:54:36.000But sometimes I had to come to the realization that I feel like, you know, what's more important is God's got the plan for me.
00:54:48.000And so I really I'm holding on to that instead of having any expectations or You know, trying to figure out where this is going to go.
00:55:01.000All I know is I don't, I have nothing to hide, which feels really wonderful walking into a courtroom.
00:55:08.000I have nothing to hide from what I've said and, you know, what I've done, you know, why I was canceled.
00:55:17.000Of course, I've done things in my life that have been ridiculous and You know, I've got plenty of those things, but I don't have in this specific case, I don't have anything where I feel ashamed of.
00:55:29.000And so I feel very clear conscious walking in and that feels that feels good walking into probably like the biggest fight I've been in.
00:55:40.000Yeah, it's an extraordinary battle that you're about to face.
00:55:44.000How did it come about that Elon Musk said that he would support you?
00:55:48.000I understand that he broadly has a policy of supporting anyone who's persecuted as a result of things they've said freely on X. Can you tell me how that's come about and like what kind of, if he's been of comfort to you other than by virtue of the fact that he's A powerful person and has incredible resources.
00:56:12.000And does this mean having that kind of support, the support of Elon Musk, that this is something that you're going to pursue to its sort of natural conclusion?
00:56:21.000And would you tell us what you have in terms of desired outcomes?
00:56:24.000You sort of said that you might have a you had an idea of justice a minute ago, and I just wonder what that looked like.
00:56:29.000But could you tell us first about the Elon stuff?
00:56:32.000Elon Musk is not somebody I know personally.
00:56:36.000I've never had a conversation with him.
00:56:41.000I've just spoken to the lawyers who speak to the ex-people who speak to Elon.
00:56:46.000And so I think that what he's doing in life has been a game-changer, a historical game-changer that, you know, I think when we look back in history, we started wondering, where are these people at?
00:57:03.000Where are the people that are changing the game now?
00:57:07.000Where are the people that are speaking out?
00:57:10.000And I think we'll look back and we'll find a lot of those, but I think Elon Musk Without having bought Twitter for that, this time being in this election, you know, and let's just go for short, you know, because I don't know where it's going to go, but for the short term of like allowing free speech on his platform has been just a complete game changer across the world.
00:57:40.000He contacted, well, they contacted me.
00:57:44.000After he put out that tweet that he was, if you've ever gotten fired, then I kind of went viral because everybody, the people that were paying attention, they were like Gina Carano.
00:57:52.000And I'm like, and I just said, I think I qualify with a smiley face emoji.
00:57:57.000And then, I don't know, months later, I got an email from the lawyer and he said, we'd be interested in looking in your case.
00:58:08.000And it was like, it was important because I wanted to take them to the case earlier.
00:58:15.000I just was in a very unsafe place in LA without any security and I had stalkers and I had journalists and I remember one night specifically I had gotten done with a meeting and I was taking Uber home and there was They were trailing me and they were, you know, it was scary.
00:58:49.000Um, but I just remember just like getting out of the Uber and falling like, you know, into my, you know, loved one's arm and just crying because I was just so just harassed and it was, Awful.
00:59:07.000But they kind of put my life in danger, you know, for this time that I was living in LA.
00:59:16.000And so I had to move and moving and relocating your life, your whole team drops you, um, you, that you're getting demonized by every single news media.
00:59:29.000And you just have to, it took me this long to start over.
00:59:35.000Um, so he, what Elon Musk has done is, um, It's just powerful what he's doing for me and other people to be able to take them to court.
00:59:48.000Because I would have taken them to court, but I chose to use this money to move out of a dangerous situation, basically.
00:59:55.000So when the lawyers contacted me, they said, We'd be interested in your case.
01:00:02.000And I, I was like, I was, I got ahold of my family lawyers and I was like, is this for real?
01:00:46.000I just know what I see and I appreciate what he's done for humanity at this very intense, crazy time.
01:00:54.000Your case could be pretty epochal in a sense because the resources of Elon Musk, I suppose, are in a way comparable, if greater, to the resources of Donald Trump.
01:01:05.000Meaning that whether or not you have questions about Elon Musk or Donald Trump when it comes to do you agree with them on every single issue and everything that they're doing and the potential complexity that any person with power or government contracts or significant real estate Might find themselves in because I know there are people that think the similar things about me.
01:01:26.000Oh, well, he's got this gig or that gig or he's been here or there, you know, people have always got questions.
01:01:32.000And in the end, I suppose that's why it's important to have a spiritual perspective where you recognize That we are all flawed but all redeemed.
01:01:40.000Now, that was just a precursor to saying, but this could be pretty seismic because the Disney corporation is extraordinarily powerful and actually is playing a cultural role that is important and influential, deeply influential.
01:02:00.000And if they find themselves through legislation in a very public battle, it's possible that we'll learn a great deal about the Disney Corporation.
01:02:10.000For example, in the discovery phase of any eventual trial, what their financial situation is, what the impact has been of some of their decisions and their position.
01:02:20.000Whether or not they legitimately believe in the values that they claim that they believe in.
01:02:26.000I mean, in a sense, of course they don't, because they're a corporation.
01:05:08.000Because, and that's, so they're trying to manufacture the people that will agree and do exactly what they want.
01:05:16.000But at the same time, they're saying, oh, we're so, we're so diverse when they're just manufacturing artists after artists and just making them fit into these little You know, these bubbles where the true people out here like yourself and hopefully me are trying to really just, hey, let us express ourselves.
01:05:45.000Yeah, a fair fight, because I think what we feel now is that the idea of justice being blind and independent, an adjudicator that is somehow conveying a higher law, a higher principle, whether in a secular society or not it legitimately claims to be God's law, The principles themselves are derived from that paradigm.
01:06:09.000The reason judges wear costumes, the reason that we all rise for the judge, the reason that they are sat behind a pulpit, elevated, is to suggest to us semiotically that there is something just taking place.
01:06:22.000So when you have a judicial system that's plainly being utilised for political purposes, when you have free speech criminalised, when you have people shut down for speaking freely, You recognize, you're forced to recognize that you don't actually have representative democracy anymore.
01:06:40.000You have a set of institutions that control populations, usually through relationships between corporations and states.
01:06:48.000There's no regard of sovereign nationality or democratic power.
01:06:56.000And it's interesting for me To hear when, you know, amidst all that bureaucratic and occasionally mangled language, that at the heart of this, Gina, are human beings getting sort of annihilated and destroyed while the people doing it are like, hello, we're the good guys.
01:07:21.000You can't use those words or mention those things.
01:07:24.000And what You've made it pretty clear that you were experiencing considerable despair.
01:07:30.000Did you at any point think that you might not survive it?
01:07:34.000That you might have to take... I know you've said you're a fighter.
01:07:38.000Did you ever think that you may not be able to live through it?
01:07:42.000No, I never considered taking my life.
01:07:45.000I just knew that because I don't worship Hollywood, you know.
01:07:52.000I worship God and I know a lot of people don't have that kind of stability.
01:07:57.000So, And I also felt like while I was going through it just a daily thing where it was just in my heart to where I looked around and I saw families that um they would lose a whole lot more than me had they spoken up you know because they had children and um you know I just felt like I don't have any children I have a lot I have I'm at the peak of my career and things are happening but nobody else is saying anything and
01:08:30.000I'm okay with saying something about, you know, just opening up the conversation.
01:08:37.000Not that I, I don't consider myself a, you know, an intellectual.
01:08:42.000I just, I had normal questions and I wasn't going to allow the fear to not let me ask them.
01:08:51.000And I think that's the majority of at least people I think around the world.
01:08:56.000Why aren't we, why weren't we allowed to ask questions?
01:09:00.000Why weren't, why were we being forced or told that we were being forced?
01:09:04.000And now, of course, they're telling us you weren't being forced.
01:09:07.000And it's just, it crushes me because I go to these fan expos and I sign all the autographs and so many of the people, I'd say the majority of the people on my lines, they're not even really coming, you know, because of my characters that I played in my movies.
01:09:30.000They're coming to cry and say, you know, this is what happened to me.
01:09:37.000And it's just, it makes me feel so, so blessed that I get to do that.
01:09:44.000And so I never thought I'd be this fan expo person, but now I'm like, I get to be with people who, those are the people that need to be hugged the most.
01:09:52.000And just, they bless me back just by sharing that, that, that we've all shared for the last four years together.
01:10:00.000And, um, it is very exhausting because there's so much pain in the world.
01:10:06.000So many, such worse, like such awful things happen to people.
01:10:10.000People work their entire lives as nurses, as policemen, as firefighters, They worked their entire lives and it was stripped from them, just like it was stripped from me.
01:10:21.000Mine was on a big public, you know, stage, but I mean, I just feel like, you know, gutted for the people that, you know, were forced to take a vaccine they didn't believe in, which is basically you're forcing, and I knew this from the beginning, and I don't know, I don't know why, But I just knew your force injecting doubt and later on that doubt is going to play out in people's bodies, whether whatever this vaccine is, it's going to play out in people's bodies.
01:10:51.000And when you have fear of having had something injected into that, you don't know about.
01:10:56.000It gets doubt and then you have fear and then that creates more problems and we're seeing a lot of excess debt.
01:11:03.000And I think that's a mental health and it's because you can't you can't force people to have a medical procedure and then the rest of their entire lives.
01:11:45.000Um so I just I hate what has happened to the world at the same time um I'm glad I'm glad I got to be a part of the part that I've got to be a part of and I hope you know whatever happens I don't know what happens from here on but I know that I'm speaking to people's heart because I speak from my heart and I know that um that helps so as long as it's helping some of you out there then Know that you've blessed me right back.
01:12:17.000That's all we're allowing you to see of the magnificent Gina Carano.
01:12:21.000There's a further 25 minutes of this interview available and my favourite bit of that is when she talks about going on an expedition with Bear Grylls, something that I've done as well, having it cancelled.