Stay Free - Russel Brand - Graham Hancock (Does History Need A Rewrite?)

00:00:00.000 [outro music]

00:00:21.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders!

00:00:23.000 Thanks for joining us for the live stream version of Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:28.000 It's our end of season finale.

00:00:30.000 What better time to give thanks?

00:00:32.000 It is Thanksgiving.

00:00:34.000 Every Thanksgiving, a turkey is pardoned.

00:00:36.000 We're going to be looking at Joe Biden's turkey pardoning ceremony and asking, what is the origin of this ceremony?

00:00:43.000 I mean, I know about, you know, the actual origins, but why are they going on in this manner?

00:00:46.000 And why would Joe Biden feel the necessity to sniff upon that Why would anybody want to do a thing like that?

00:00:52.000 When I see them, I don't want to sniff them.

00:00:54.000 That's not the way that I react in those situations.

00:00:56.000 We're going to be talking about yay.

00:00:57.000 We're going to be talking about the emergent global world order, which I know that you guys are pretty keen to avoid, ain't you?

00:01:04.000 Particularly now the categories of left and right are melting away and there's a need for a new vitality and a new spirituality and a new priapic awakening.

00:01:11.000 Look up the word priapic if you don't know what it means.

00:01:13.000 And we are going to provide you with Literally all of that in the next few seconds.

00:01:19.000 Is this the equivalent of like a radio DJ just going like that?

00:01:23.000 It is, isn't it?

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:24.000 It's simply my version of that.

00:01:26.000 And even more exciting than anything I've just said now, even though I've took you to the precipice of the borders of your reality, i.e.

00:01:33.000 are you an individual, are you an object or are you an event taking place in an apparently real spatial and temporal zone that could evaporate at any moment with your personal transcendence?

00:01:43.000 Guess who's coming on?

00:01:44.000 It's Graham Hancock, the Pyramid Man.

00:01:47.000 A man who's taken a glance at history, found it wanting, and revealed to us deep truths that shake the establishment to its very core.

00:01:55.000 They don't like it, do they?

00:01:56.000 Of course they don't like it!

00:01:57.000 No one wants to be shaken to their very core.

00:01:59.000 No one wants their treasured knowledge poked around in, snooped about in.

00:02:03.000 I've known Graham Hancock for quite a while now.

00:02:05.000 Oh yeah?

00:02:06.000 Yep, longer than you have.

00:02:07.000 I know about Graham Hancock when it was cool to know about Graham Hancock.

00:02:13.000 I've actually been on what I'm going to call a special camping holiday with him.

00:02:19.000 Me and some other people found ourselves in some tents, I believe in Utah.

00:02:24.000 You know like the Utah Saints?

00:02:26.000 Uttar.

00:02:27.000 I was in Uttar, and there was Graham Hancock there as well.

00:02:30.000 And I don't know, and I don't want to make any cast aspersions, but it feels like people were doing psychedelics.

00:02:34.000 I wasn't, because as you know, I'm drug and alcohol free for nearly two decades now, if I get to December the 13th.

00:02:40.000 Anyway, we're going to talk to Graham Hancock.

00:02:41.000 I'm in particular, this is what I want to know about Graham Hancock.

00:02:45.000 What is it in particular that we have to address if we were to discover that our received understanding of human history were erroneous?

00:02:52.000 If we have to accept that perhaps there were an Atlantis, perhaps Plato was correct when he speculated about some hidden city underneath, I mean, this is a weird coincidence, the Atlantic.

00:03:03.000 So it's good they called it Atlantis, I think.

00:03:05.000 And also, because I was thinking about Plato the other day, I'm always thinking about him.

00:03:08.000 Oh, it never stops.

00:03:08.000 His cave analogy, that we're looking at shadows on a wall.

00:03:11.000 And some people dismiss platonic philosophy as like, you know, classical philosophy in general is a bit sort of, I don't know, old hat, old crap.

00:03:17.000 But I feel like, actually, as we learn more about the limitations of the century world, that we are living in a holographic reality.

00:03:23.000 And I know that Graham Hancock will be keen.

00:03:25.000 I'm glad you've made your main point today.

00:03:27.000 The old holographic reality.

00:03:27.000 What?

00:03:29.000 Yeah, the old holographic reality.

00:03:31.000 We should have made that the title.

00:03:32.000 We're living in a holographic reality.

00:03:34.000 The only thing you know for sure, of course, as you are aware, is your subjective experience.

00:03:38.000 Perhaps we can create and imagine new realms.

00:03:41.000 Do not be boxed in by those that seek to inhibit and control you.

00:03:45.000 Do you think that by the end of this I'll say the phrase goblekiteki correctly? 1.00

00:03:48.000 Gobleki-Teki.

00:03:50.000 If you talk to Graham Hancock, you better learn how to say Gobleki-Teki properly at some point.

00:03:54.000 I'm not sure I've cracked it just yet.

00:03:56.000 There's Plato, look, down a cave.

00:03:59.000 Plato goes, look, what it's like is, imagine the reality if there were some people chained to a wall, down a cave, looking at shadows on a wall.

00:04:07.000 They would think that that was all reality.

00:04:08.000 But in effect, there are people that can see the flames.

00:04:10.000 And even beyond that, there are people transcendent.

00:04:13.000 Receiving an entirely different reality.

00:04:14.000 Now, any allegory is obviously limited by the image system within which it operates.

00:04:19.000 But as we learned yesterday, if you joined us in that green needle experiment, reality takes place in a kind of symbiosis between the apparently external sensory realm and the internal realm of the recipient.

00:04:29.000 It can be altered.

00:04:31.000 We can change reality.

00:04:32.000 We can imagine new worlds.

00:04:33.000 That's why they want to box you in.

00:04:35.000 That's why we're living on a prison planet right now, baby! 0.54

00:04:39.000 It's like being in a sea cat prison.

00:04:41.000 Imagine this, if you're in category A prison, you only get an hour yard time, if you're lucky.

00:04:45.000 23 hours, you're in your cell.

00:04:47.000 B cat prison, bit of time on the landing, bit of ping pong.

00:04:50.000 I've not been to prison.

00:04:51.000 If you're in a C cat prison, you're out and about. 0.91

00:04:53.000 Maybe you're allowed downtown, do a little bit of help out in a sherry shop.

00:04:57.000 But then what does the rest of us in?

00:04:59.000 We're in a prison.

00:05:00.000 The prison in the mind, man!

00:05:02.000 And that's what we've got to break out of.

00:05:04.000 We don't even play ping pong. 1.00

00:05:05.000 We're not allowed because of the damn prison! 0.99

00:05:08.000 We're not allowed access to the bats and we're simply too busy making high quality programming. 0.99

00:05:12.000 Let's have a look now at Joe Biden using an outmoded ritual in order to seem amenable.

00:05:20.000 It's customary, isn't it, in America to release a turkey every Thanksgiving.

00:05:24.000 What's that meant to signify, do you suppose?

00:05:27.000 They pardon it, don't they?

00:05:28.000 Apparently it came about by accident.

00:05:30.000 I think JFK did it, and then they all kind of continued after that. 0.55

00:05:34.000 I believe that it was Reagan that was the first one.

00:05:38.000 JFK did the first turkey one.

00:05:39.000 Let us know in the chat if we're right.

00:05:40.000 Let us know in the comments in the chat.

00:05:41.000 And if you're a member of the Stay Free AF community, get onto that little chat board.

00:05:45.000 Tell us, how did this tradition begin?

00:05:46.000 I reckon it began with Kennedy, but Reagan was the first person to talk about pardoning a bird, and it was something to do with the Iran contra stuff.

00:05:54.000 That is it.

00:05:55.000 I'm an investigative journalist.

00:05:56.000 Of course, I forgot.

00:05:57.000 People see me, they see the haircut, they see the charisma, they see the rather fancy jacket and they think this guy's not an investigative journalist such as we've previously understood him, but they've done me wrong, baby.

00:06:07.000 They've done me wrong.

00:06:09.000 So that's Biden sniffing that bird.

00:06:11.000 He's always on the brink of sniffing something, isn't he?

00:06:14.000 Loves a sniff.

00:06:15.000 It runs in the family because I believe the lad hunter is up for using the old nose.

00:06:21.000 Anyway, if he gets a chance, God bless him.

00:06:23.000 We've got a compilation of Biden sniffs if you'd like to see them.

00:06:26.000 This bird is just the latest in a long line of creatures that have provided molecules for the Biden snout hole.

00:06:33.000 Let's have a look at some other things Biden has sniffed and see what he's getting at and then I'll talk to you about sniffing in general and what does it mean.

00:06:41.000 It's animalistic, baby.

00:06:42.000 Let's have a look.

00:06:45.000 Are we allowed to use that music?

00:06:46.000 Oh, he's slipping away.

00:06:48.000 (sniffing)

00:06:50.000 That one was recalling, wasn't it?

00:06:57.000 Yeah.

00:06:58.000 Some of them noticeably do.

00:07:00.000 Once you're a parent, you deal with other people's children very differently.

00:07:03.000 You're like, alright, I expect nothing from a child now.

00:07:05.000 Sure.

00:07:06.000 You used to be all over them, haven't you?

00:07:07.000 Oh, God.

00:07:08.000 I loved the child.

00:07:09.000 Before I had children, I'm like, oh no!

00:07:11.000 I really tried to engage with them.

00:07:12.000 Now, I'm done.

00:07:13.000 People would say it.

00:07:14.000 I remember seeing you with kids.

00:07:15.000 They'd say, oh, he's brilliant, isn't he?

00:07:17.000 With those kids.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, but not now.

00:07:19.000 Now I'm done on children.

00:07:21.000 I can barely be bothered to speak to the ones I'm genetically responsible for.

00:07:24.000 And what you know is, is that if you say, oh, this is our children.

00:07:28.000 This is Bob and Carol.

00:07:29.000 They're not going to be called things like that anymore.

00:07:31.000 They show you the child and I just go, all right, I don't care.

00:07:35.000 Hello!

00:07:36.000 And what I certainly don't do is lean in and sniff the nape of its neck as if looking for some beautiful musk. 0.85

00:07:41.000 Now, apparently, humans can make use of body odour subconsciously to identify whether a potential mate will pass on favourable traits to their offspring.

00:07:49.000 That's what they could be doing.

00:07:50.000 Not that we're saying that.

00:07:51.000 Biden's not doing that.

00:07:52.000 He's not regarding these children or these turkeys as potential mates. 0.91

00:07:55.000 Well, the turkey we don't know.

00:07:58.000 I'm just saying we don't know.

00:07:59.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:08:00.000 We can never know, that's the nature of reality.

00:08:03.000 Listen to this.

00:08:04.000 For decades, scientists believed that humans were not very good at detecting and identifying odours, but a 2014 study shows that humans can distinguish at least a trillion odours, and in some cases, have more sensitive smells than animals.

00:08:15.000 Have you got smells that repulse you?

00:08:17.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:08:18.000 Are there smells that really get your gander up, really get you going?

00:08:21.000 And are there smells that repulse you?

00:08:22.000 And what about our little friends in the animal kingdom?

00:08:24.000 They can't stop sniffing away, can they?

00:08:26.000 No.

00:08:26.000 For them it's very pheromonal, it's very sort of sexual.

00:08:29.000 Women were asked to rate odour pleasantness considered a correlate of sexiness and odour intensity. 0.72

00:08:35.000 Odour desirability was tested with the question, based on the smell, how much would you like this man as a long-term partner?

00:08:41.000 What about that sweet, I call it the sweet spot of stink, Where smells are both alluring and simultaneously disgusting.

00:08:47.000 I think what you're talking about there is your own smells.

00:08:52.000 Is it Gareth?

00:08:53.000 I know that for a fact.

00:08:55.000 Is it so simple as that Gareth?

00:08:57.000 bird, you get out of here! I think what you're talking about there is your own smells. Is

00:09:03.000 it Gareth? I know that for a fact. Is it so simple as that Gareth? I've seen you post

00:09:08.000 Trumpton shall we say. Well listen I believe I'm a complex man.

00:09:13.000 Anyway, you could, if you like, make the mistake of thinking we're being frivolous about sniffy old Joe, but the points that we want to make are quite important ones.

00:09:21.000 During the time of this man's cognitive decline and evident deterioration, sniffing his way through reality, he's recently signed a 40 billion aid package for Ukraine, including 20 billion in military assistance.

00:09:31.000 That's just one of the things, my research.

00:09:33.000 You know I love research.

00:09:34.000 I know.

00:09:34.000 That's just one of the things my research threw up.

00:09:36.000 Also, recently, in spite of saying during the campaign that they were going to limit the amount of arms deals made with regimes abroad, particularly regimes regarded as dodgy, that's the official term they use, under Biden's administration, generally speaking, these deals have increased.

00:09:54.000 Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and General Dynamics have been involved in 58% of all the major offers made since the administration took office.

00:10:02.000 So on one hand, He's lovely old Joe, pardoning a turkey, sniffing it on the way out the door.

00:10:08.000 But on the other hand, is Biden the arms dealer?

00:10:11.000 We're going to get further into that story.

00:10:12.000 If you're with us on YouTube right now, join us over on Rumble.

00:10:15.000 We've got Graham Hancock coming any minute now.

00:10:18.000 Goblekiteki! 0.99

00:10:19.000 Goblekiteki! 0.99

00:10:20.000 For those of you saying, see you later YouTube, join us on Rumble.

00:10:22.000 For those of you still with us on Rumble, let's have a look at a bit more of Biden, just sniffing his way through life.

00:10:29.000 The Bidens!

00:10:30.000 Sniffing their way through life.

00:10:32.000 And by the way, Hunter Biden, fellow addict, you're my brother in recovery, I pray for you and I want Hunter Biden clean and happy.

00:10:40.000 We're only making jokes because they are in positions of enormous power and potentially doing some deals that seem dubious, although the mainstream media are now reporting on those deals.

00:10:47.000 They certainly are, two years later, and the laptop store is a go now.

00:10:51.000 So that's the difference.

00:10:52.000 We now can measure it.

00:10:53.000 You can use this.

00:10:54.000 If you like to follow the science, you can say the distance and difference between a conspiracy theory and a mainstream media news story is two years.

00:11:01.000 Two years it went from you can't mention that on Twitter to we can mention it on CNN.

00:11:06.000 But let's have a look at a bit more of Sniffy Old Joe.

00:11:11.000 I think the combination of shoulder touch and sniff.

00:11:13.000 It is.

00:11:14.000 I wouldn't do that to my own wife.

00:11:18.000 I'd say, are you alright with this?

00:11:19.000 I'd ask. Yeah.

00:11:21.000 [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:11:21.000 Hmm.

00:11:24.000 It's too much.

00:11:27.000 That person's actually had to emotionally shut down to deal with a sniffing.

00:11:30.000 There's a head movement, isn't there, from her.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, she's turning into an Edvard Munch painting of the scream, rather than deal with the actual reality she's being confronted with.

00:11:38.000 Now, of course, remember, we are a non-partisan, trans-denominational movement.

00:11:42.000 We don't care about whether you're a Democrat or a Republican.

00:11:45.000 We don't care if you love Trump, hate Trump, voted Brexit, voted against Brexit.

00:11:48.000 I couldn't care less.

00:11:50.000 None of these systems are going to work.

00:11:51.000 That's the big illusion.

00:11:52.000 That's what we have to awaken.

00:11:53.000 From is the idea that any of the figures that occupy this system are going to provide meaningful solutions for you in your life.

00:11:59.000 That's one of the things we're going to be talking to Graham Hancock about a little later, and the significance of alternative and potentially suppressed human narratives.

00:12:06.000 But for now, let's look at a ghostly pal girl getting sniffed at by president

00:12:09.000 Right, is it like look you guys made this compilation I'm not involved in the edits.

00:12:18.000 Oh, what?

00:12:18.000 I'm a busy man.

00:12:19.000 Just the research.

00:12:20.000 I do the research.

00:12:21.000 I do that for myself.

00:12:22.000 Got to make sure that we're front loaded.

00:12:23.000 But at the back of the show, I'm just like, you guys, this is where you get a shine.

00:12:26.000 You handle it.

00:12:27.000 So did you deliberately compile this to make sure that there's a particular demographic?

00:12:32.000 Why is he not sniffing no geezers? 1.00

00:12:33.000 I don't know.

00:12:34.000 Young Putin put it together, actually.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, there wasn't.

00:12:36.000 To be fair, this is actually the other stuff I actually felt bad for putting in.

00:12:40.000 You wouldn't use?

00:12:41.000 I wouldn't use it.

00:12:41.000 Even by your own low standards?

00:12:44.000 What did you not include in this package?

00:12:45.000 There's a lot of tugging and pulling by the arm.

00:12:48.000 Tugging?

00:12:48.000 Like to come over here.

00:12:49.000 Tugging him in for the sniff?

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.000 We're just here for the sniff.

00:12:52.000 It's too far, did you think?

00:12:53.000 Yeah, it's too far.

00:12:54.000 Well done, young Putin.

00:12:55.000 Now, we don't include young Putin on camera for two reasons.

00:12:58.000 One, the war between Russia and Ukraine, which is a one-sided war that has only one reason behind it.

00:13:04.000 Putin, he done it.

00:13:06.000 NATO infringement, expansionism, election meddling, arms deals.

00:13:10.000 Put all that to one convenient side in case you might have to think for a few seconds.

00:13:14.000 The other reason we don't show him, we simply don't have enough cameras at the moment.

00:13:18.000 He sits over there in what I like to call the disgraceful corner of Chimera.

00:13:22.000 Is that what it's called?

00:13:23.000 No, Crimea.

00:13:24.000 Because a chimera is a beast made of multiple beasts, whereas Crimea is a territory that if Ukraine do take it 0.78

00:13:29.000 back, we're all going to die.

00:13:30.000 [Laughter]

00:13:32.000 [Music]

00:13:36.000 That one knows it's coming.

00:13:38.000 That one's like, "Uh-oh, I've seen, he's done my mates."

00:13:41.000 Now he's coming right in for it.

00:13:43.000 She's resigned to it though, isn't she?

00:13:44.000 She's resigned. That's when someone's spirit's been broke.

00:13:47.000 They can't even fight against the sniff.

00:13:49.000 [Music]

00:13:54.000 Actually he's bunched them all up there for a big sort of sniffing bonanza, hasn't he?

00:13:57.000 Like a salad bar of sniffing.

00:13:59.000 Like when you heap too much stuff on a... Sorry about that.

00:14:02.000 I'm so sorry.

00:14:03.000 Like he's built up a big salad bar of sniffery.

00:14:05.000 It's a kaleidoscope of smells.

00:14:07.000 Like get them all there and sniff them all right up together.

00:14:10.000 I don't know how he's going to discern the different sniffs of each of them.

00:14:12.000 Oh he will.

00:14:13.000 Oh yeah, of course he will.

00:14:13.000 but now he's an expert.

00:14:14.000 (laughing)

00:14:17.000 What's he doing now?

00:14:20.000 Now, now that's madness.

00:14:22.000 Because you're blocking the sinuses! 0.82

00:14:24.000 That's the child's back!

00:14:26.000 The child's back!

00:14:27.000 I've got children.

00:14:28.000 The last thing you want to do is sniff them on the back. 1.00

00:14:29.000 That's too near the ass. 1.00

00:14:30.000 That's where all their farts are coming from. 1.00

00:14:32.000 Disgusting little creatures. 0.98

00:14:34.000 Also though, even just if you take this from the simple perspective of a sommelier. 0.98

00:14:38.000 Sure.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, that's a wine expert.

00:14:40.000 You don't pretend you know.

00:14:41.000 A sommelier.

00:14:42.000 I've seen them in films.

00:14:43.000 They've got a grapes badge on them down there.

00:14:46.000 If you go to a nice restaurant, I don't know if you have the privilege of going to a nice restaurant, perhaps the cost of living crisis has annihilated you into a state of penury and that was part of the plan.

00:14:54.000 You will own nothing and you will be happy.

00:14:55.000 You remember when Klaus Schwab told you that?

00:14:57.000 Well, if you own nothing and you're not happy, good news is you're halfway there.

00:15:00.000 Now, at Sommelier, if someone works down the old restaurant, they wear a grapes badge and they do sniffing.

00:15:06.000 The mistake Biden's making there, and I can tell you, on day one of Sommelier school, they're going to say, when you're sniffing at the old grape, don't crush your nose into the baby's... I mean, they won't be dealing with a baby.

00:15:16.000 Obviously, it's a glass of wine in that instance.

00:15:18.000 But don't crush your nose shut.

00:15:19.000 You've crushed it shut. 0.90

00:15:20.000 You can't even get the molecules up your snout hole.

00:15:22.000 It's lesson one, isn't it?

00:15:23.000 Lesson one at Sommelier school.

00:15:25.000 Biden, if you're going to sniff, sniff proper.

00:15:31.000 There you go, so we've learned something there.

00:15:32.000 Trying to make it clear those weren't Biden's actual sniff sounds.

00:15:34.000 No, we added that for humorous effect.

00:15:36.000 We are ultimately a comedy show revealing that beneath apparent reality there is a mischievous force beckoning you forward into new realms.

00:15:44.000 You might experience it if you've taken DMT.

00:15:46.000 That's another question I'm going to be asking Graham Hancock about.

00:15:50.000 Lots of questions for Graham in the chat.

00:15:52.000 People saying that he's awesome, that they love him and all that kind of stuff.

00:15:55.000 So that's good, isn't it?

00:15:56.000 He's coming into a very loving environment, such as he deserves to.

00:16:00.000 Gareth, have you got any more points to make about Biden?

00:16:02.000 We've got plenty.

00:16:04.000 We could talk about shrink-flation and turkeys, because obviously this is a point that Biden's having some fun with his turkeys.

00:16:11.000 Chocolate and chip, I think he's called them.

00:16:13.000 I hate things like that, don't you?

00:16:14.000 It's a strange joke that he makes about nine and a half Million turkeys.

00:16:18.000 Can we see that?

00:16:19.000 Because, yeah, when he's pardoning the turkey... Now, the pardoning of the turkey amounts to a secular ritual.

00:16:24.000 The sacrifice of the bird, of course, is supposed to mean a kind of coming together of the pilgrims, isn't it, and the Native American folk that was there before the colonising forces arrived.

00:16:35.000 But now, this secularised version of the ritual is supposed to mean what?

00:16:39.000 Compassion, awareness, I suppose as well it demonstrates the presidential power and authority, something that would definitely be dying otherwise is going to be given a chance at survival.

00:16:48.000 But because we've lost religious traditions and because we've lost all ideals except for our radical fundamentalist consumerism and commodification of all things, it's not that there is no belief, it's that there is one concealed belief, these rituals always seem a bit odd.

00:17:03.000 But let's see how Joe Biden, a man who's always good off the cuff, certainly if he's wiping spilled soup off his chin, Let's see how he copes with this little situation.

00:17:12.000 Go on Putin.

00:17:13.000 How many turkeys you got down there?

00:17:15.000 You raised it.

00:17:16.000 Circulation rates rose a ton.

00:17:18.000 Why do I watch exchanges like this, Gareth?

00:17:20.000 The thing that troubles me is knowing that there's a war on, that there are new tensions between the United States and

00:17:25.000 China, that potentially there could be nuclear Armageddon,

00:17:29.000 there's a cost of living crisis, not to mention a culture war,

00:17:32.000 and we're watching the President right now going, "How many turkeys have you got down there on the old turkey

00:17:37.000 farm?"

00:17:38.000 It concerns me.

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 This is a moment where you turn to your leader to hopefully kind of lead you well through these crises, through these wars, and it does seem a little odd that the time where he's We're going to spend in front of people and on camera he's talking about chocolate chip turkeys.

00:17:54.000 I'm trying to think of the people we would need to save us right now.

00:17:57.000 I'm going to put Churchill.

00:17:58.000 I know some of you think, oh he's a racist or whatever.

00:18:00.000 I'm going to say Gandhi.

00:18:02.000 Gandhi.

00:18:02.000 I mean, I'm going to say, who else?

00:18:04.000 Like sort of some of them saintly folks like Saint Bernadette and Saint Teresa and like Julian of Norwich.

00:18:10.000 You need people that understand the sacred because the material world and our current systems are faltering and failing.

00:18:16.000 We need a new kind of spiritual genius, but everything is being desacralized.

00:18:20.000 Everything is being banalized.

00:18:21.000 Everything is being turned into a kind of meaningless morass, so that the one imperative to commodify and consume can be relentlessly pursued.

00:18:29.000 Remember when we were obsessed with Islamism and Islamic terrorism? 0.60

00:18:33.000 We talked about fundamentalism, but their fundamentalism is no different from the fundamentalism under which you already live.

00:18:39.000 Fundamentalist materialism.

00:18:41.000 If it can't be measured, if it can't be bought and sold, it doesn't have any meaning.

00:18:45.000 Let me know in the chat and let me know in the comments if you think I'm spot-on and wearing a sexy jacket or if you think I'm way off track and a crackpot.

00:18:45.000 We can test that theory.

00:18:52.000 Let's see what old Uncle Joe has to say about this turkey and I think he gets into some weird semi-genocidal borderline racist discourse here.

00:19:00.000 It's not a great joke.

00:19:03.000 God love you.

00:19:04.000 Nine and a half million turkeys.

00:19:07.000 I tell you what, it's like some of the countries I've been to.

00:19:11.000 Hmm.

00:19:12.000 Now, what's he trying to do?

00:19:13.000 What's he trying to do with that joke?

00:19:15.000 I think he's heard that, nine and a half million, and he's thinking, it reminds me of what?

00:19:19.000 And then he's thinking, oh no, I can't say anything that's mental and racist.

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 Where's he going with it?

00:19:24.000 I mean, does he mean Turkey as in... The country of Turkey?

00:19:28.000 I think what he was trying to say is like look wouldn't you be able to if it was 50 years ago say like oh nine and a half million then you'd think of a country or a state that had a population of about that size and then you'd make a sort of a light playful joke about that.

00:19:42.000 So it's a pejorative It's a pejorative condemnatory. 0.99

00:19:45.000 Now, remember when Trump said, shit, old countries. 1.00

00:19:47.000 Remember that? 1.00

00:19:48.000 That was one not Donald Trump's greatest moment.

00:19:51.000 I know a lot of you love Donald Trump, a lot of you don't you?

00:19:53.000 And as I've always made clear, I don't think that solutions can be achieved within this system, even by a great orator such as Trump.

00:20:00.000 But here, yeah, he's on the border there of, I think, making a pejorative remark.

00:20:06.000 Yeah.

00:20:09.000 As a vegan, the thing I dislike most about turkeys is the sort of snout sack.

00:20:15.000 What's a shame is that Joe Biden and the turkey don't get involved in a sort of a mutual sniff-off where they could sniff each other at the beak area and then I'd like to see that little flailing skinlet go up his bugle.

00:20:27.000 That would bring me some cheer.

00:20:31.000 Anyway.

00:20:32.000 Yes, anyway indeed.

00:20:33.000 So there you go, that's what's happening right there.

00:20:35.000 Do you want to know a fact about cost of living crisis in Turkey?

00:20:37.000 Yeah, I do.

00:20:38.000 Do you want one?

00:20:38.000 Let me know, I want one.

00:20:40.000 Yeah, well, Thanksgiving dinners are going to go up 13.5% this year because of the cost of living crisis.

00:20:46.000 And due to a lot of what we know is now shrinkflation.

00:20:50.000 I don't like the sound of that, it's where they make things littler.

00:20:52.000 Yeah, it's where you pay the same for a lot less.

00:20:54.000 Pay more for less! 1.00

00:20:55.000 In a minute we're going to be joined by the great Graham Hancock.

00:20:58.000 What was that tweet about, while you're pardoning turkeys, why not pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden?

00:21:04.000 Oh, there we go, Snowden.

00:21:06.000 Tune in as I pardon National Fakir in Turkey. 1.00

00:21:08.000 Julian Assange is a prisoner of conscience.

00:21:10.000 Yeah, nice Edward Snowden!

00:21:12.000 If you're going to pardon anything... Pardon Assange!

00:21:14.000 Yeah, or Daniel Hale who's been locked up for telling truths about drone strikes killing 90% of the people that they are innocent people.

00:21:24.000 The problem is, one of the problems I believe is that, and let me know what you think about this guys in the chat.

00:21:29.000 Is that ritual and ceremony are supposed to be ways of physicalising and accessing that which is hard to instantiate materially, i.e.

00:21:38.000 a ceremony is an allusion to the sacred, to that which is spiritual, i.e.

00:21:43.000 not material.

00:21:44.000 But when ceremony and ritual are becoming themselves meaningless, then everything is what is called phatic, performative, empty, hollow, a satz.

00:21:53.000 We live in a, we're discussing, is it a nihilistic space or is there a deep concealed ideology, a deep concealed telos that is being pursued and my concern is that maybe there is a concealed telos.

00:22:10.000 Yeah, Robert Wright wrote about it.

00:22:11.000 Why are the Democrats so reluctant to blame inflation on one of its major causes?

00:22:15.000 Corporations raising their prices faster than their costs in order to fatten their profit margins.

00:22:19.000 Corporate profits are at a 70-year high, yet corporations are raising their prices.

00:22:23.000 They're not raising their prices because of increasing costs, they're using the cover of inflation to increase their profits.

00:22:28.000 Corporate funders of the Democrats have made it clear they don't want the White House or the party to blame this inflation on them.

00:22:35.000 Isn't that exquisite?

00:22:36.000 Because the point we'll make is that as energy costs have soared energy companies have made record profits and now we have just explained via the conduit of Gareth Roy just there that similarly the cost of living crisis has afforded people in institutions in positions of power to garner new profits and also mask that profiteering with a convenient narrative.

00:22:59.000 Yeah and rather than sit there and or stand there and make a Or even perch!

00:23:04.000 A bad joke about chocolate and chip and however many million turkeys.

00:23:09.000 You don't like the joke about chocolate and chip?

00:23:11.000 The Democrats could be actually, you know... Doing something about it?

00:23:14.000 Exactly.

00:23:15.000 They're not going to do anything about it, but do you think the Republicans would be any better?

00:23:17.000 Let us know in a snap poll, for God's sake!

00:23:20.000 Also, right, before we get Graham Hancock, I just want to have a look at this.

00:23:23.000 Now, yesterday we showed you a little bit of Macron, Emmanuel Macron, President of France, at the APEC Summit, talking about a unipolar world.

00:23:34.000 Explicitly announcing that they want just one global power, not a bipolar world.

00:23:39.000 Let's have a look at him saying that again, and watch out because we're going to reveal something to you that's going to make your bones bend and your blood boil.

00:23:44.000 Have a look.

00:23:45.000 Are you on the US and the Chinese side?

00:23:48.000 Because now, progressively, a lot of people would like to see there are two orders in this world.

00:23:55.000 This is a huge mistake.

00:23:58.000 Even for both the US and China.

00:24:02.000 We need a single global order.

00:24:06.000 Oh, it's a conspiracy theory to say that people want a One World Globe Order.

00:24:11.000 What's wrong with you? 0.93

00:24:12.000 Just because people are explicitly saying it and talking about digital ID and digital passports and One World Orders and global resets, you're a nutcase for believing in it.

00:24:21.000 Anyway, the Apex Summit, you probably don't even know what that is, and I'm sure it's nothing nefarious.

00:24:25.000 And if it were, you'd probably be able to tell from their logo.

00:24:27.000 But actually, their logo, when you have a look at it, is pretty cuddly, nice, straightforward.

00:24:32.000 Wait a minute!

00:24:34.000 What's the problem there?

00:24:35.000 I've seen that guy somewhere before.

00:24:37.000 Don't you?

00:24:38.000 I feel like I saw you, this little guy, rearing his head in the 1930s.

00:24:43.000 Many of you right now in the chat will be telling us, of course, that it's a Hindu sign in its origin, but it also, as well as all of us appreciating there's a Hindu sign there, a Vedic symbol of good luck and good fortune, I feel like a plucky little fella named Adolf Hitler. 0.77

00:24:58.000 He made use of that symbol a little while back in his own attempt to create a unipolar world.

00:25:03.000 If that's just a mistake, it's a really bad one.

00:25:06.000 Who in graphic design didn't... I get angry sometimes about the errors we make over here at Stay Free Media.

00:25:12.000 But if you were saying, here's the new logo Russ, I think you're gonna like it.

00:25:16.000 It's just sort of, you know, I wanted to get... It's retro!

00:25:20.000 We're always in motion.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, I don't know if I like that because I think it might be offensive to millions and millions of people who mercilessly and needlessly lost their lives for various power trips and because of a genocide.

00:25:33.000 Okay, listen, let me know what you think about that, Swastika, and whether or not I sometimes think that the unconscious is grassing them up.

00:25:41.000 That stuff that they're unable to articulate because of their own sort of submerged agenda finds its way filtering through, percolating truth from the deep unconscious ulterior realm that we all have access to.

00:25:53.000 And one man who's got more access to it than most is Graham Hancock.

00:25:57.000 Hero, Egyptologist, man who set his camera at an interesting angle.

00:26:03.000 Graham, thank you for joining us.

00:26:05.000 I'm so happy to see your face again.

00:26:07.000 Hello, Russell.

00:26:07.000 Good to be with you.

00:26:08.000 It's so kind of you to come.

00:26:10.000 We're going to dedicate the rest of the show to you and your ego.

00:26:13.000 Firstly, congratulations on your new eight part docuseries, Ancient Apocalypse, on Netflix.

00:26:20.000 It's a fantastic success.

00:26:22.000 I've not seen it yet because the crown's on and I had to get through the crown, had to get through the heritage porn.

00:26:27.000 But the next thing is Ancient Apocalypse, because I've been a fan of yours since I was 16 years old.

00:26:32.000 Are you happy with how the show is being received?

00:26:34.000 And does this, to you, Is this a kind of a watershed where you're entering into the mainstream and does it seem a triumph after years of being denounced, decried and slandered?

00:26:45.000 I don't think I'm entering into the mainstream.

00:26:47.000 I don't think it's a triumph.

00:26:52.000 I tried to make a good show within the limitations of what's possible with television.

00:26:57.000 I'm pleased that a lot of people seem to like it.

00:27:02.000 And I'm unsurprised that a lot of archaeologists don't like it.

00:27:08.000 Why do you sound all jaded for?

00:27:10.000 Why do you sound all jaded?

00:27:12.000 You've had a lovely show on Netflix.

00:27:13.000 It's number two here in the UK, if you care about charts.

00:27:17.000 And it's a brilliant show.

00:27:18.000 I saw you, of course, on Rogan with Randall Carlson talking about it.

00:27:21.000 I love watching you debate.

00:27:23.000 I really enjoy your work.

00:27:25.000 I enjoy the way that you invite imagination into the room, the way that you use your spirituality, the way that you don't codify archaeology to the point where it only becomes accessible to elites.

00:27:38.000 I think you do such fantastic work, but it sounds to me that you seem a little disheartened.

00:27:43.000 Is it simply that you need a cuddle, or is there something more nefarious at play?

00:27:48.000 Everybody needs a cuddle.

00:27:49.000 Everybody needs a cuddle.

00:27:53.000 I suppose the disheartening thing is the reaction of archaeologists to this whole story.

00:28:03.000 See, from my point of view, Let's call it mainstream archaeology like mainstream media.

00:28:10.000 Mainstream archaeology is the story that it tells us, the narrative that it presents about the human past, is the dominant narrative in our society today.

00:28:22.000 We almost take it in with our mother's milk.

00:28:25.000 Everything that we're taught in school is based upon it.

00:28:28.000 Everything that we're taught in university is based upon it.

00:28:32.000 And All I'm trying to do really is to provide some counterbalance to that dominant narrative.

00:28:39.000 And so there are a lot of complaints that I don't include a lot of archaeologists criticizing my story in the series.

00:28:48.000 But I think that's unnecessary because they are the dominant narrative.

00:28:52.000 And this is just a small attempt to provide an alternative narrative to say there are some anomalies in prehistory which are not explained by the mainstream.

00:29:03.000 Which don't fit into the picture they paint.

00:29:07.000 And to say what I think those suggest to me.

00:29:10.000 I do detest being called a pseudo-scientist and a pseudo-archaeologist because I'm not an archaeologist or a scientist.

00:29:21.000 And I make that very clear in the series.

00:29:24.000 I'm just a reporter.

00:29:25.000 I'm reporting from my point of view.

00:29:28.000 I'm giving my case.

00:29:30.000 And I hope that that will provide a bit of an antidote to the dominant case that's presented by archaeology.

00:29:37.000 On contemporary civilization, on contemporary education, and on the contemporary imagination, by foreclosing on the possibility of advanced civilizations, and I'll add to this, because often I'm a fan of your content, I watch it a lot, and when you talk about gobleki-teki, and I'm not saying it right, or like many other significant monolithic sites, like They're not as good as, I don't know, the Shard or the Empire State Building.

00:30:04.000 They are just made out of rocks.

00:30:05.000 So there's a few questions.

00:30:07.000 One, what changes about our presumptions around civilisation, progressivism and our presumed telos that humankind now is the best that it's ever been?

00:30:16.000 What changes if we consider submerged narratives?

00:30:19.000 And also, what is it in particular that is so impressive about some of the monolithic structures that you celebrate?

00:30:26.000 Because of the way history is taught, because of the narrative of history that the mainstream push in every direction and that we take in with our education system, we are really taught that we are the apex and the pinnacle of the human story.

00:30:40.000 That it's all been about us.

00:30:42.000 That there were cavemen, and then there were hunter-gatherers, and then there were the civilizations.

00:30:47.000 And it's all been a steady straight line evolutionary so-called progress up to us today.

00:30:53.000 And I think that makes us feel very self-satisfied, very contented and unnecessarily secure about the future of our own civilization.

00:31:04.000 What I hope raising questions about the possibility of a lost civilization will do is first of all Encourage people to be curious about the past, not just to accept what the so-called experts tell them.

00:31:20.000 And secondly, to realize that maybe we're not the apex and the pinnacle of the human story.

00:31:25.000 Maybe there's been many rises and falls.

00:31:27.000 As to what's so special about these big megalithic monuments, what's special about them is when you get down to the detail, when you find Very precise astronomical alignments involved in the monuments, when you find a really detailed, long-term study of the sky embedded in the monuments.

00:31:48.000 These are not simply big stones.

00:31:50.000 They're stones that tell a story, and they tell a story of the people behind them, who were people who paid attention to the cosmos and focused on it very, very closely.

00:31:58.000 So, for example, we're taught that the phenomenon called the precession of the equinoxes was discovered by the Greeks about 2,000 200 years ago or so.

00:32:09.000 Yet another massive achievement of the past attributed to the Greeks.

00:32:13.000 But there's a huge amount of evidence, and I won't bore your listeners with going into too much detail here.

00:32:19.000 There's a huge amount of evidence that the precession of the equinoxes was noticed, documented, and thoroughly analysed way back in the last Ice Age, right back to Gobekli Tepe, as a matter of fact, and Pillar 43 in Enclosure D at Gobekli Tepe, and the diagram of the skies that it represents there.

00:32:40.000 So, the point is that We're taught that only the Greeks were capable of discovering this, and they did it, but that our ancestors before the Greeks couldn't do it, and it's not considered that the Greeks were the recipients of an ancient heritage.

00:32:55.000 And this is odd, because the Greeks themselves were perfectly open about that.

00:32:59.000 They said, really, that they got all their knowledge from ancient Egypt.

00:33:04.000 And yet we're sort of fascinated with attributing so many cultural advances to the Greeks.

00:33:09.000 I'm not talking about a lost civilization that built space rockets or had cell phones or drove motor cars or made plastic.

00:33:19.000 What I am talking about is the underestimation of our ancestors and the possibility of a forgotten episode which is an episode that was way ahead of its time according to the conventional narrative.

00:33:32.000 I'm challenging the conventional narrative.

00:33:33.000 I'm presenting facts and information which are not explained by that narrative.

00:33:39.000 And I hope that this will, first of all, encourage people to take a real curious interest in the past rather than simply accept what they've been told.

00:33:49.000 And secondly, that it might cause us to reconsider our own apex predator role.

00:33:55.000 It seems that sometimes you allude to, even in your answer then, to the notion that perhaps we could access information in means not covered by rational materialism and the enhancement of the senses through various instruments of magnification, i.e.

00:34:17.000 that if you could have astronomical knowledge without the telescope or even the ability to track patterns you know, accurately over centuries, that either there

00:34:28.000 could be contact with a more advanced species or access to information and knowledge without

00:34:36.000 going via material examination and experimentation. Is it a coincidence therefore, Mr Hancock,

00:34:43.000 that you are also interested in Ayahuasca and DMT and methods of psychic exploration? And do you see

00:34:50.000 there as being a corollary between these laboratories of the psyche and potential other alternative

00:34:58.000 systems of knowledge?

00:34:59.000 page.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, sure.

00:35:02.000 Again, I think this is a problem with the mainstream scientific narrative that Regarding ourselves as the apex and the pinnacle of the human story, we regard our technology as this wonderful genius thing.

00:35:15.000 And of course, there are many genius things about our technology, but it may not be the only route to know stuff.

00:35:22.000 There may be other ways to know stuff.

00:35:23.000 I'm really interested in the work of Rupert Sheldrake.

00:35:26.000 I don't know if you've ever had Rupert on your show.

00:35:28.000 Yes, we know Rupert and Merlin.

00:35:29.000 We know all the Sheldrakes. 1.00

00:35:31.000 I've been around his house.

00:35:32.000 I've never met a Sheldrake I don't love. 0.99

00:35:36.000 Me too.

00:35:38.000 And the point is that the mainstream scientific narrative will say there is no such thing as telepathy.

00:35:43.000 It's impossible to move objects with your mind.

00:35:47.000 But Rupert has certainly done a massive amount of research which documents the possibility that there is telepathy.

00:35:55.000 Mainstream narrative will tell you that we live one life and that's all.

00:35:59.000 We're these accidents of chemistry and biology.

00:36:02.000 We die and that's the end.

00:36:05.000 But there's a huge amount of evidence for reincarnation and for people having past lives and perhaps future lives as well.

00:36:12.000 And I just think this needs to be taken into account rather than sneeringly dismissed By the mainstream.

00:36:18.000 And again, because the mainstream narrative is so dominant, when I talk about this, all I'm trying to do is restore some balance to the debate.

00:36:25.000 And it's interesting when I talk, actually, I mean, in my books, I talk about telepathy and telekinesis in a very minor way.

00:36:34.000 I mean, you're talking about a page or two.

00:36:36.000 Across hundreds or even thousands of pages.

00:36:39.000 But when mainstream scientists attack my work, they cherry pick that and say, oh, Hancock believes in telepathy.

00:36:45.000 And by the way, he takes drugs as well.

00:36:49.000 And if we regard ayahuasca as a drug.

00:36:52.000 So this is a way this is a way that's used to to simply and lazily in an incredibly idle way, just dismiss me.

00:37:01.000 I think I think the experiences in altered states of consciousness, that dimethyltryptamine, DMT, which is the active ingredient of ayahuasca, ayahuasca itself, psilocybin, mushrooms, I think these experiences in altered states of consciousness are very important for people to have.

00:37:17.000 These substances are non-addictive, and they open up a vision of the universe which is very different from the one that we're taught in school.

00:37:27.000 And I don't think anybody should leave this life.

00:37:31.000 Uh, this would be my recommendation.

00:37:33.000 I don't think anybody should leave this life without having had a number of experiences of deeply altered states of consciousness.

00:37:38.000 I'm not talking about recreational drugs like cocaine.

00:37:41.000 I've never taken cocaine myself.

00:37:43.000 It seems to be what I hear.

00:37:45.000 It sounds like a noisy, meaningless conversation in a bar.

00:37:49.000 Um, but, but, uh, the, the change in perspective that, that the psychedelics bring, I think is very important and that's why at last mainstream Science is catching up with this and we are recognizing that psychedelics can be healing medicines, that they can bring healing to people with post-traumatic stress disorder, that they can bring healing to people who fear death because suddenly the new perspective that arises is death is nothing to fear.

00:38:15.000 It's just the next stage in our adventure.

00:38:17.000 It's just the next part of our journey.

00:38:21.000 People who are deeply depressed and locked in a very narrow frame and just can't escape from it.

00:38:29.000 Psychedelics will often break them out of that frame, especially if done in a supervised way with people around who know what they're doing and who know what they're talking about.

00:38:39.000 So I think these are important medicines.

00:38:42.000 I have to brace myself every time I take ayahuasca.

00:38:46.000 It's not fun.

00:38:47.000 It's not recreation.

00:38:49.000 It's hard work.

00:38:49.000 And then the next bit of the hard work is, okay, you learn stuff about yourself.

00:38:53.000 These medicines will thrust your baggage at you.

00:38:56.000 In a very forceful and very dramatic way.

00:39:00.000 They'll show you the hurt and the pain that you've caused during the course of your life.

00:39:04.000 And they will give you the opportunity to adjust that.

00:39:07.000 Yes, you can't go back and fix past mistakes, but you don't have to repeat them in the future.

00:39:11.000 Often we just don't see our own mistakes because we're so rushed and living through daily life.

00:39:17.000 But psychedelics will offer the opportunity to see our own mistakes.

00:39:20.000 So all in all, I think these are very valuable for getting a different perspective on our own lives, And on the world we live in.

00:39:28.000 In the field of philosophy and linguistics, even within what we're terming mainstream academia, there has been a kind of reckoning in the form of post-structuralism, and in particular in the work of Foucault, to address even the subject of history from a different perspective.

00:39:49.000 But there appear to be certain fields where there hasn't been a similar reckoning.

00:39:56.000 I wonder Graham, because in both of these areas that we've touched upon, archaeology and psychedelics or sort of spiritual medicines, it appears that it's in a sense an opportunity to reframe what it is to be human is being offered through our subjective experience, which can potentially be altered and is not as static as we might assume it to be.

00:40:19.000 And in terms of archaeology this sort of shared collective experience of our kind may not be what we've assumed it to be.

00:40:27.000 So it seems that in both these disciplines what we're ultimately dealing with is power and dominion and an unwillingness to alter the framing because an adaptation of that framing may mean compromises in the realm of power and what we might consider it is to be a human being.

00:40:47.000 Power is definitely involved in this, if I may come in at that point, because the plain fact of the matter is that the discipline of archaeology claims total power over the human past.

00:40:59.000 I can't help it.

00:40:59.000 I've been looking at some of the Twitter threads about my series that archaeologists have been posting, and they're saying, don't watch this, give it a double thumbs down, don't allow Netflix to make another season with this guy.

00:41:11.000 They appear to regard themselves as the sole arbiters of the human past.

00:41:18.000 And they seem to despise the general public and don't feel that the general public can make up their mind.

00:41:23.000 That my views are somehow so dangerous that the general public will be polluted and might lose faith in the mainstream archaeological narrative.

00:41:31.000 So it is definitely about power.

00:41:33.000 Our archaeologists are those in our society who hold the keys to our past.

00:41:37.000 They're the only ones we're supposed to listen to.

00:41:40.000 and there's no doubt that power is involved, perhaps power is involved in every aspect of human behaviour, I don't

00:41:48.000 know.

00:41:48.000 But wherever power becomes dominant and claims monopoly and asks people not to listen and to shut up and pay no

00:41:54.000 attention, I think that needs to be challenged.

00:41:57.000 I don't like to think of vindictive archaeologists except for perhaps the one in Raiders of the Lost Ark

00:42:02.000 that was kept trying to ruin Indiana Jones' day and trying to nick that beautiful ark that Indiana Jones had found

00:42:09.000 by borrowing it from the people that were looking after it.

00:42:12.000 Archaeologists are always attacking each other.

00:42:14.000 It's like a dog fight all the time.

00:42:18.000 So I'm not unique in being singled out for a tax by archeologists.

00:42:22.000 Grab their nerds. 0.99

00:42:24.000 Don't let them nerds get you down. 0.98

00:42:26.000 I want- - What I object to is the idle laziness of archeology.

00:42:30.000 So the main dismissals of the ideas that I put forward have been so-called woke demissals.

00:42:38.000 That Hancock is, I don't know how this comes about because race is not mentioned in my TV series at all,

00:42:43.000 but Hancock is promoting racism and white supremacy.

00:42:46.000 You'll find dozens of stories like that emanating from archaeologists in reaction to this show.

00:42:53.000 And that, again, just seems to me to be incredibly lazy.

00:42:56.000 And I find it personally offensive.

00:42:59.000 I have seven mixed-race grandchildren.

00:43:01.000 They're going to see this as they grow up.

00:43:03.000 They're going to look back on this.

00:43:04.000 I find it offensive.

00:43:05.000 I'd rather the archaeologists got to grips in detail with the ideas rather than accusing me of racism and white supremacy.

00:43:11.000 But it's a very easy way.

00:43:13.000 It's a very lazy way.

00:43:15.000 to just get a lot of people to turn off and not pay any attention and I'm ashamed of archaeology

00:43:20.000 for doing that. They really should not. Don't let these archaeologists get you down. I've told you

00:43:24.000 before and I'll tell you again. Look, none of them have got a good show on Netflix, none of them are

00:43:29.000 at number two in the charts, they're there on a very small site with a bit of string stretched

00:43:36.000 Finding a pot?

00:43:37.000 Oh, it's a pot from the Iron Age.

00:43:39.000 I'm not interested in a pot.

00:43:40.000 You better show me a bloody pyramid that lines up with some constellation or I'm switching back on to Graham. 0.96

00:43:47.000 I'll take the risks of him and his mixed-race family of white supremacists for a bit of juicy archaeology. 0.94

00:43:53.000 Graham, I want you to hit us with the undeniables.

00:43:56.000 Like say we're in an argument now with one of these old fuddy-duddy gatekeeper archaeologists. 0.98

00:44:01.000 What are the most, like, you know, our top five, explain that, you bastard, bits of archaeology. 0.93

00:44:08.000 Like, you know, I know there's that underwater road, I know there's... hold on, I'm going to say it correctly. 0.58

00:44:12.000 Gobekli Teke. Shit, I said it wrong! Gobleki Teke. I know there's Gobleki. 1.00

00:44:18.000 I would say, if I had one of them...

00:44:20.000 If I get one of them archaeologists, I'd grip him by his tweed jacket, him or her or they, 0.99

00:44:24.000 I'd grip him by their tweed jacket and I'd say, "Take me to Gobleki Teke now, you bastard!" 1.00

00:44:30.000 Gobekli Tepe is a problem, and it is something that needs to be brought into the argument, precisely because until Gobekli Tepe was excavated and studied, it was the dominant mainstream view that there could be no such thing as megalithic architecture before 6,000 years ago. 0.97

00:44:49.000 Because you needed a settled civilization with agriculture generating services and allowing experts to emerge, architects, engineers and so on, to have a big megalithic site with precise astronomical alignments being put up.

00:45:06.000 But Gobekli Tepe is 7,000 years older than Stonehenge.

00:45:11.000 And it seems to come out of nowhere, and it's really problematic.

00:45:13.000 And then we find that the people around Obekli Tepe were entirely hunter-gatherers when they began to build this site.

00:45:20.000 And that in the thousand years that the site was used, they transformed from being hunter-gatherers into agriculturalists.

00:45:27.000 And what I suggest is that rather than suggesting that a group of hunter-gatherers simply woke up one morning magically equipped To create the largest megalithic site on Earth 7,000 years before Stonehenge, that we're a species with amnesia and that there's a forgotten episode in the human story and that what we're looking at is a transfer of technology from the survivors of a civilization that got destroyed in the cataclysm that we know occurred at the end of the last Ice Age.

00:45:57.000 Other points I think are very important.

00:45:58.000 I mentioned precession.

00:46:00.000 This is a wobble on the axis of the Earth.

00:46:02.000 Because the Earth is the viewing platform from which we observe the stars, it changes the positions and orientations of the stars in the sky.

00:46:09.000 There's compelling evidence that that knowledge goes way back into the Stone Age.

00:46:14.000 It's present in cave art.

00:46:16.000 There's a fantastic book by Giorgio de Santidiana and Hertha von Deschen.

00:46:20.000 They were both professors of the history of science.

00:46:22.000 Giorgio was professor of history of science at MIT, Hertha von Deschen at the University of Frankfurt, called Hamlet's Mill.

00:46:28.000 And this book investigates ancient knowledge of precession.

00:46:32.000 And it's completely ignored by archaeologists, even though it is It does emanate from mainstream scientists themselves.

00:46:40.000 So the knowledge of this rather obscure and difficult to observe astronomical phenomenon, encoded in myths and traditions, going back into the deepest past, I think that's another one that archaeology is failing to get to grips with.

00:46:52.000 Ancient maps.

00:46:55.000 Ancient maps that show the world as it looked ...during the last Ice Age and that have rather precise relative longitudes incorporated in them.

00:47:04.000 In every case, these maps were drawn in the 15th, 16th, 17th centuries, but the mapmakers tell us that they based them on older source maps, which have now lost.

00:47:15.000 Why, for example, does Antarctica appear on many of these old maps when our civilization didn't discover Antarctica until around 1820?

00:47:23.000 And it's shown just a bit larger than it is today, as it was during the last ice age.

00:47:28.000 The relative longitudes in these maps is important because longitude is a problem that our civilization

00:47:34.000 didn't crack until the mid 18th century.

00:47:37.000 So I think these are important issues as well.

00:47:40.000 And then I agree with you that big stones in themselves don't say much, but when you go to a place like

00:47:46.000 Sacsayhuaman in Cusco in Peru, and you see the incredible way

00:47:52.000 that these massive blocks of stone are interlocked together like a kind of jigsaw puzzle.

00:47:58.000 It really defies imagination as to how this was done.

00:48:02.000 And I cannot accept that it was just a couple of guys grinding away at the stones and making them all fit together in that way.

00:48:09.000 I don't think it's fully explained by the mainstream at all.

00:48:15.000 So there have been a series of cataclysmic events that have caused us to lose not only civilisation and a different type of technology, a different type of perception, but our awareness even of ourselves.

00:48:30.000 And I suppose there's this piety and presumptuousness that accompanies not only your arch enemies over there in archaeology, that every time we talk about you get so riled up, Graham, There's also this condescending and colonial, somewhat imperialist attitude towards folk knowledge and myth, precisely because it is, quote, unscientific, and there is the assumption that because it can't be verified, because it can't be experimented, because it can't be measured, that there's no value.

00:48:59.000 Folk knowledge is a depository of so much, I would say, archetypal information that suggests there is a shared oral history that somehow resonates and remains in spite of the various... It's absolutely true in relation to flood myths and myths of a global cataclysm which are truly universal.

00:49:22.000 They're found all over the world.

00:49:24.000 And in every case, archaeologists dismiss and ignore them and don't believe that they're true testimony of a global cataclysm.

00:49:31.000 And this is a problem because there definitely was a global cataclysm.

00:49:35.000 And it's relatively recent.

00:49:36.000 It's 12,800 years ago.

00:49:38.000 It's the beginning of an epoch called the Younger Dryas.

00:49:41.000 Now there's still a lot of argument about why that cataclysm happened.

00:49:46.000 I happen to have a view share with a number of credentialed scientists.

00:49:52.000 The comet research group, 100 scientists, have suggested that the Earth ran into the

00:49:57.000 debris stream of a disintegrating comet, and that that's what caused this extraordinary

00:50:01.000 global cataclysm to occur.

00:50:03.000 There are other explanations that are offered as well, but what I think nobody can really

00:50:06.000 disagree on is that the event called the Younger Dryas, which unfolded between 12,800 and 11,600

00:50:13.000 years ago, was indeed a global cataclysm.

00:50:16.000 A sudden plunge in global temperatures, a huge rise in sea level, the complete extinction

00:50:21.000 of the megafauna of the Ice Age, evidence that human population went through a bottleneck

00:50:27.000 at that point.

00:50:28.000 There was a global cataclysm and we can't, we really are not smart to try and present a narrative about our story that doesn't take cataclysmic events into account, particularly when they're recent. 0.71

00:50:39.000 I mean, who gives a fuck about the dinosaurs 67 or 66 million years ago, but 12,800 years ago, that's in our time.

00:50:47.000 That's in the human timeframe, and it was a big cataclysm, and nobody disputes that. 1.00

00:50:53.000 No geologist would say, oh, the Younger Dryas was just a minor event.

00:50:56.000 It was a major event.

00:50:57.000 We can argue about what caused it, but the nature of it is there, and it's there right at the beginning.

00:51:04.000 The Younger Dryas ends 11,600 years ago, massive rise in sea levels, global temperatures shoot up, and then suddenly, weirdly, civilization emerges.

00:51:12.000 I think it was a reboot of civilization, not just a sort of Automatic invention of civilization.

00:51:19.000 That's why I think we've lost a big part of our story.

00:51:23.000 And I may not be right, but I hope that people will consider that possibility and explore it.

00:51:29.000 Even in the period of your acclaim, there have been shifts in the narrative around the population of North America and when that occurred.

00:51:39.000 We're sort of seeing gradually some, and as I suppose this is true in all disciplines, If you have an orthodoxy, the orthodoxy is conservative and tradition oriented and it takes radical outsiders to change that framing and often those outsiders will be dismissed, discouraged, smeared and undermined.

00:52:02.000 But as well as your work itself, which I have always found fascinating before other people did, before other people thought it was cool.

00:52:10.000 I also think that the spirit of it is important.

00:52:13.000 The area that interests me primarily currently, Graham, is the way that we appear to be dominated by a narrow set of ideals.

00:52:22.000 We have very limited political choice.

00:52:24.000 The state and corporations are in global harmony, preventing individual free will.

00:52:29.000 Meanwhile, the media turns people against one another continually on the basis of cultural identity.

00:52:35.000 And I feel that without a kind of the birth of a new ideology, something that can liberate and unify us simultaneously, where we can begin to again accept that people are different from one another, that humans may live in many different ways.

00:52:49.000 And I consider the idea that humanity has been around longer.

00:52:52.000 That there have been different iterations of civilization.

00:52:55.000 That life is abundant and present elsewhere in the cosmos.

00:52:58.000 That we can radically alter civilization.

00:53:02.000 I consider that to be as important as anything else.

00:53:04.000 We live in a dry-drab time with dry-drab num-dumb ideas continually dominating our contemporary narratives.

00:53:10.000 and this sort of dearth of imagination contributes to that, that we're not able to explore our own psyche,

00:53:15.000 we're not able to explore our own culture.

00:53:17.000 And some things excite me when I hear you, like why not do more exploration in the rainforest?

00:53:21.000 Why not do more exploration in the desert?

00:53:24.000 Why not intrepidly and authentically and with integrity investigate our past?

00:53:30.000 And it's because the notion of conservatism, it expands beyond your discipline and field of expertise,

00:53:36.000 albeit in a non-traditional and non-conventional experiential expertise that you've acquired.

00:53:41.000 And I feel that this spirit is vital and important.

00:53:46.000 Hey, Graham, I really want to go and dig around in some of them sort of megalithic sites that I want to have a little nose about.

00:53:52.000 I want to go to the pyramids.

00:53:53.000 If I go to the pyramids, how do I not just have some boring tourist experience?

00:53:57.000 How do I get right in there and be allowed to do stuff that's interesting and, like, off-key?

00:54:02.000 It's very difficult.

00:54:04.000 I myself was banned from filming in Egypt for my series because a senior Egyptologist who advises the Egyptian government told them not to let Hancock in.

00:54:16.000 Back in the old days, for me, the early 90s, late 80s, when I was first exploring the pyramids, it was a much freer place.

00:54:23.000 I climbed the Great Pyramid five times, three times, Illegally.

00:54:29.000 And it was possible to do that.

00:54:31.000 But today it's not possible.

00:54:33.000 It's not possible to do that.

00:54:36.000 It's very difficult to get an alternative narrative when you go to Egypt.

00:54:40.000 I do know a number of people who are in the sort of guiding field in Egypt who are offering an alternative narrative.

00:54:46.000 But by and large it's the mainstream narrative that's given.

00:54:48.000 So the only answer is go there.

00:54:51.000 Do what you can.

00:54:52.000 Often you'll find the Great Pyramid closed.

00:54:54.000 You'll certainly not be able to climb it.

00:54:56.000 Do what you can.

00:54:57.000 Use your mind.

00:54:58.000 Use your imagination.

00:54:59.000 Look at these things.

00:55:00.000 Try and figure out how they were made and what they all amount to.

00:55:03.000 And then pay attention to ancient Egyptian civilization itself.

00:55:08.000 A civilization that put its best minds to work for 3,000 years on the mystery of what happens to us after death.

00:55:14.000 This was a deep inquiry that the ancient Egyptians went into.

00:55:17.000 And I think we have to have enormous respect for them.

00:55:20.000 And we have to also have respect for what they said about their past.

00:55:23.000 That their past goes back much further than the beginnings of historical Egypt to a time that they called Zep Tepi, the first time.

00:55:30.000 And there are a lot of astronomical reasons why we can pin that down to the Younger Dryas period.

00:55:36.000 It seems with the false markers of technology and medicine, in particular in areas of communication, we can see evident and observable progress and therefore mistakenly believe that progress has been unilateral, that we are continuing to improve and that we are, as you describe it, apex predators astride all history, but potentially there are unexplored lineages, neurological and historical, archaeological and botanical, areas of reality as yet We're regressing, Russell, not progressing.

00:56:10.000 This civilisation is on a downward path.

00:56:12.000 It feels like that.

00:56:13.000 It feels like decline, even like the symbols are telling you that.

00:56:16.000 Decaying presidents, decaying systems.

00:56:20.000 Awful leadership.

00:56:22.000 And again, this huge trust that we put in experts so that we don't think out anything for ourselves.

00:56:28.000 There's a whole range of problems.

00:56:31.000 The ethic that you were talking about earlier, that our sole purpose on this planet is to produce and consume, that we define ourselves by our possessions.

00:56:41.000 What a limited picture of the human creature this is, and how our majestic potential is just being narrowed down into a very limited place.

00:56:51.000 Yes, we need change in this.

00:56:53.000 If this civilization is going to survive at all, It looks to me like a civilization that's going to implode.

00:57:01.000 And what will be, regardless of whether there's going to be some further collisions with comet

00:57:05.000 fragments, our civilization is dooming itself.

00:57:10.000 And those who survive will be the meek of the Earth.

00:57:14.000 It will be the hunter-gatherers. 0.97

00:57:15.000 It will be the people who know how to survive, which the vast majority of people in our so-called advanced civilization haven't got a clue about because we're all dependent on other people's expertise in order to survive.

00:57:28.000 I think we're a very fragile civilization.

00:57:30.000 The hatred and fear and suspicion that's being deliberately manipulated in the world today and this one-sided focus on production and consumption It's a very bad path, Trev.

00:57:41.000 We need to explore radical new alternatives.

00:57:45.000 We can no longer settle for the dominant and dominator narratives, either politically or historically.

00:57:51.000 Graham, I always enjoy talking to you.

00:57:53.000 You give me so much cause for optimism, both in your work, but also in your incredible spirit.

00:57:57.000 Where are you?

00:57:58.000 When might I see you again, flesh to flesh?

00:58:01.000 Forgive that image.

00:58:03.000 Well, right now I'm in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and we're going to spend Thanksgiving with my son and daughter-in-law and our two grandchildren here in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

00:58:13.000 And then we'll be back in England, my wife Santa and I, on the 3rd of December. It would be lovely to see you again,

00:58:20.000 Russell.

00:58:21.000 I will be here and I'll ask the producer to connect us, as a matter of fact, because I

00:58:25.000 would like to see you over Christmas. Perhaps we'll wander around some monolithic sites

00:58:29.000 and I'll say that they're not jazzy enough and there's not good enough masonry and I'll

00:58:33.000 explain that they're aligned with constellations beyond the reach of our kind.

00:58:39.000 Thank you so much, Graham.

00:58:40.000 Thanks for your time and your expertise and for all your work and congratulations on the series. 0.99

00:58:44.000 And the next time I see an archaeologist, I'm just going to kick them right in the balls. 0.98

00:58:48.000 And I'll say, that's from Graham Hancock, you killjoy. 0.99

00:58:51.000 Russell, thank you for having me on your show.

00:58:53.000 I really appreciate it.

00:58:54.000 It's really great to talk to you again.

00:58:55.000 See you soon.

00:58:56.000 Love to your family, Graham.

00:58:56.000 Take care, mate.

00:58:57.000 Thank you.

00:58:57.000 Bye-bye.

00:58:58.000 See you.

00:58:58.000 Thank you.

00:58:59.000 There we go.

00:59:00.000 Yet more information conveyed.

00:59:03.000 The reason I didn't show Graham this is because I wondered whether or not I might have pushed him over the edge.

00:59:08.000 We don't want to push him over the edge.

00:59:09.000 But if you stay with us on Stay Free AF, which is the next 15 minutes, you can ask us whatever questions you want.

00:59:16.000 Let me tell you a few things.

00:59:17.000 We're having a couple of weeks off now.

00:59:19.000 Not proper off, are we?

00:59:20.000 We're going to be toiling.

00:59:21.000 We're going to reboot this machine.

00:59:22.000 We're going to improve this vehicle.

00:59:24.000 We're going to turn this into something that can bring you complex truth and simple solutions.

00:59:28.000 We are going to awaken ourselves and you, whether we like it or not.

00:59:33.000 We're going to get ready for a new complex reality.

00:59:35.000 We're going to arm ourselves to the teeth.

00:59:37.000 We're going to become meek and inherit that earth. 0.97

00:59:39.000 We're going to train ourselves to survive in post-apocalyptic conditions.

00:59:42.000 All in two weeks?

00:59:43.000 It's going to be a lot of pressure, Gareth.

00:59:45.000 I'll put a tent up out back.

00:59:47.000 I was going to go for a little holiday.

00:59:48.000 You've not got time for that, mate.

00:59:50.000 Oh, you'll be lucky.

00:59:50.000 We're going to go blacky-tacky in ten minutes.

00:59:52.000 I've booked us a plane.

00:59:54.000 I'm climbing that pyramid if it kills me.

00:59:56.000 We're going on a work trip.

00:59:57.000 I'm going straight to the Natural History Museum. 0.99

01:00:00.000 I'm going to grab me the first archaeologist I see by the scruff of their dick. 0.95

01:00:06.000 What have you done to Graham Hancock? 0.99

01:00:09.000 You've pissed him off.

01:00:10.000 Remember, if you want to see me live, if you can't bear to wait two weeks, you can see me live doing stand-up comedy.

01:00:16.000 Me in my natural environment.

01:00:17.000 Grey's where I'm from.

01:00:18.000 Look in the chat right now.

01:00:19.000 There's a link to buy your tickets to see me at the Thameside event.

01:00:22.000 I'm going to save a childhood theatre.

01:00:23.000 My own personal I don't want to miss it.

01:00:25.000 You do not want to miss that!

01:00:26.000 He might pronounce it right on the day.

01:00:28.000 That's the day.

01:00:28.000 You're gonna learn about direct activism. You're gonna learn about philosophy and I will be talking at length

01:00:34.000 about gobleki-teki About which I know a great deal. You do not want to miss 1.00

01:00:38.000 that! 0.99

01:00:39.000 You might pronounce it right on the day.

01:00:41.000 I'm aiming to I think by 5th of December I will put that L in the right place

01:00:45.000 That's the hope.

01:00:46.000 That's the hope.

01:00:46.000 So you can see me there doing live stand-up from 12pm to 5pm and then there's going to be some giddy and irresponsible activism.

01:00:54.000 You're going to love it.

01:00:55.000 You're going to love it.

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01:01:14.000 And remember, while we're gone, you'll be able to see conversations with all sorts of fantastic guests.

01:01:19.000 Gabor Maté's out there, Bernardo Kastrup talking about idealism and materialism from a CERN-Hydrogen Collider perspective.

01:01:27.000 We are determined to give birth to new myths.

01:01:30.000 Aren't we?

01:01:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:01:32.000 We'll have done that, by the way.

01:01:33.000 A couple of weeks off.

01:01:34.000 And coming up in the next season, let me tell you some of the people that are coming on.

01:01:37.000 Bernie Sanders, Rick Rubin, Elon Musk, Tony Robbins.

01:01:41.000 Yay! 0.99

01:01:41.000 Should we get yay on? 0.99

01:01:42.000 It's a hell of a dinner party, isn't it?

01:01:44.000 It's going to be lovely.

01:01:45.000 It's going to be delightful.

01:01:46.000 It's going to be dishy and dangerous.

01:01:48.000 Anyway, so thank you for joining us.

01:01:49.000 Thanks for supporting us on our first season on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

01:01:54.000 Thanks for supporting that.

01:01:55.000 We've really enjoyed having you.

01:01:56.000 Let me know who you want to see on, and if you're a member of the Stay Free AF community, oh look at that lovely montage, we're going to do another 15 minutes taking your questions.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - November 23, 2022

Graham Hancock (Does History Need A Rewrite?)

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