Stay Free - Russel Brand - Graham Hancock (The Propaganda War)

00:00:00.000 Hello, you Awakening Wonders!

00:00:01.000 Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.

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00:00:55.000 And before that sound dims, please welcome to the stage my special guest, Graham Hancock!

00:01:03.000 Please take a seat, Graham.

00:01:08.000 Take a moment to set up your mic.

00:01:10.000 I reckon you need it about here, standard style, probably like that, about a hand away from your face, I would say so, Graham.

00:01:17.000 And while you're setting up the mic and making yourself comfortable, I will give you an introduction.

00:01:21.000 Graham is a journalist and presenter of the hit Netflix docuseries, Ancient Apocalypse, where he travels the You can see Graham talking live at Logan Hall on Saturday the 22nd of April.

00:01:29.000 Tickets are available at grahamhancock.com.

00:01:30.000 He's the author of the New York Times bestseller, America Before, The Key to Earth's Lost Civilization,

00:01:35.000 and Visionary, The Mysterious Origins of Human Consciousness.

00:01:39.000 You can see Graham talking live at Logan Hall on Saturday, the 22nd of April.

00:01:44.000 Tickets are available at GrahamHancock.com.

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00:01:55.000 event.

00:01:56.000 I never neglect the opportunity to talk to Graham Hancock, so let's begin our conversation

00:02:00.000 Graham, before we get into some of the more controversial stuff that we'll keep exclusive for our Rumble audience, in particular I want to talk about the way that you've been smeared and condemned for a subject that I wouldn't consider to be as contentious as evidently the mainstream consider it to be.

00:02:16.000 Before we get into that and talking about what the objectives of the mainstream media are, we'll just lightly introduce ourselves for 10 minutes.

00:02:24.000 By asking you, what is it, Graham, that first ignited your interest in arcane civilizations?

00:02:30.000 What is it in particular that you think is being revealed or being neglected by the potential for a cataclysmic event that obscures the origin of our species?

00:02:42.000 I think the problem is the institution of archaeology.

00:02:48.000 I want to be clear, I have nothing against individual archaeologists.

00:02:52.000 On the contrary, I've met many wonderful individual archaeologists and I couldn't do the work that I do without the work that archaeology has done.

00:03:00.000 But there's a difference between individual archaeologists and archaeology speaking as an institution.

00:03:05.000 For example, the Society for American Archaeology with its 5,000 members.

00:03:10.000 They seem to take a view that the only people who are entitled to interpret the past of humanity are archaeologists, particularly the remote past.

00:03:20.000 There's a role for historians, of course, where we have documents, but once you get back into the remote past where you don't have documents and you're dealing with artifacts dug out of the ground, they seem to feel that only archaeologists are authorized to speak about this and that anybody else who puts a different point of view into the conversation is a danger and a threat and must be silenced.

00:03:45.000 I was disappointed by, not so much by the archaeologists because I kind of expected this, but I was disappointed by the idleness and lack of rigour of journalists who covered this story.

00:03:58.000 who simply took their cues from archaeology, never talked to me, and published stories about it, which were often very unpleasant.

00:04:07.000 At the same time, I've had a major Netflix show, my voice is out there, and it's right and proper that it should be opposed and counter-minded.

00:04:16.000 I'm pleased that it started a conversation and a debate around all this, but what I object to is when people create straw men around my work.

00:04:26.000 A lot of it is Graham Hancock says this, Graham Hancock says that.

00:04:32.000 There's loads of headlines.

00:04:33.000 There's a YouTube There's a video right now which says Graham Hancock says all archaeologists are lying.

00:04:39.000 No, I never say that.

00:04:40.000 I do not say that.

00:04:41.000 I absolutely don't say that.

00:04:44.000 I found again and again in the critiques that have been floated about my work that individuals are saying that Hancock says this when in fact I never do say that.

00:04:54.000 Then they attack that straw man and hope that nobody will look deeper and investigate.

00:04:59.000 The whole project seems to have been to to prevent people or discourage people from exploring my work.

00:05:09.000 That's when I came to realise that I'm involved in some kind of propaganda war here.

00:05:14.000 The tools of propaganda are being used by mainstream archaeology as an institution in order to beat down alternative narratives.

00:05:23.000 I don't think that's healthy at all.

00:05:25.000 It's interesting that in such a short period of time the ability to communicate openly around a range of subjects that I find surprising in so much as I find it surprising that it's become extensively censored and so rapidly.

00:05:42.000 It suggests that there's been some kind of seismic shift in the way that information is handled, that authoritarianism is on the rise, and accompanying that, of course, we're aware that surveillance and censorship are increasing, that looking for opportunities to regulate appears to be a kind of guiding principle in the approach to crisis across as broad a range of subjects as war and even Health.

00:06:12.000 They become sort of approached in this aggressively regulatory manner.

00:06:16.000 The thing that interests me, and we'll touch more deeply upon the more controversial aspects of the reporting on your work exclusively on Rumble in just a few more minutes.

00:06:28.000 So if you're watching this on YouTube now, click on the link in the description so that you can join us over there.

00:06:34.000 But first of all, I'd like to just have a basic understanding, if I may, of the fundamental argument, at least the one that I hear you advancing more recently, that there was a seismic, cataclysmic event at some point.

00:06:52.000 I feel like you say often it was around 12,000 years ago.

00:06:55.000 Yeah, it wasn't a single moment, it was an episode.

00:06:57.000 It lasted for about 1,200 years.

00:06:59.000 That's ages!

00:06:59.000 Yeah, it's a long episode.

00:07:04.000 Take 1,200 years off now and you're back in the medieval times, early medieval.

00:07:08.000 So it's a long time, but the fact of the matter is that it wasn't just one event, it was a series of events.

00:07:15.000 It unfolded between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.

00:07:20.000 Give or take a few years.

00:07:22.000 It saw the extinction of almost all of the large animal species of the Ice Age.

00:07:28.000 The woolly rhinos, the mammoths, the mastodons, the saber-toothed tigers, the giant sloths.

00:07:33.000 They all went down at that time.

00:07:35.000 It was worldwide.

00:07:36.000 There was a massive, massive extinction.

00:07:37.000 There was a huge change of climate.

00:07:40.000 We'd been coming out of the Ice Age, the world had been warming up and then suddenly it just got freezing cold again, as cold as it had been at the peak of the Ice Age.

00:07:50.000 And weirdly, at that moment around 12,800 years ago, and this shouldn't happen when the Earth goes into a freezing period, there was a rise in sea level.

00:07:59.000 Which meant that water that should have stayed frozen had come off the ice caps and was entering the world ocean.

00:08:05.000 And that rise in sea level of freezing water coming off the ice caps cut the Gulf Stream and stopped what's called the Global Meridional Circulation, which is a central heating system of our planet.

00:08:15.000 It kept the Earth cold for a very long time.

00:08:19.000 Geologists have been aware of this.

00:08:20.000 The episode is called the Younger Dryas, for a very long time.

00:08:25.000 Why did it happen?

00:08:26.000 That's the issue.

00:08:28.000 And a number of theories just focus on that changing of ocean currents and saying that's what made the Earth cold without saying why did the ocean currents change.

00:08:36.000 And the best explanation for that is put forward by a group called the Comet Research Group.

00:08:41.000 They started off as about 60 all mainstream scientists.

00:08:44.000 They're now more than 100 of them.

00:08:46.000 They've published dozens of papers in peer-reviewed journals.

00:08:49.000 And they're saying that what happened 12,800 years ago was that the Earth ran into the debris stream of a disintegrating comet.

00:08:57.000 All comets disintegrate.

00:08:59.000 It's a normal part of comet behaviour.

00:09:01.000 Whenever we look at a shooting star in the sky, a little meteor shooting through the sky, that is a bit of an old comet.

00:09:07.000 All of them are.

00:09:08.000 They break up into multiple fragments.

00:09:10.000 We saw it massively with comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, which hit Jupiter in 1994.

00:09:14.000 It broke up into 21 fragments.

00:09:17.000 It was witnessed by telescopes.

00:09:19.000 Bombarded Jupiter, just huge explosions, some of them the size of the Earth itself.

00:09:24.000 But, you know, Jupiter can take it.

00:09:27.000 What happened to the Earth was that a comet, which was estimated originally to have been 100 miles in diameter, entered the inner solar system, was tugged on by gravitational forces, began to break up into multiple fragments, and 12,800 years ago the first bunch of those fragments, like a shotgun blast, peppered the Earth.

00:09:48.000 And because the Earth is turning, that peppering covered a very wide expanse of the Earth's surface, right from North America right across to Syria.

00:09:57.000 There's evidence of these impacts, airbursts, explosions in the sky, sometimes on the ground.

00:10:02.000 And then further evidence which takes it down into South America and as far south as Antarctica.

00:10:08.000 It's called the Younger Dryas boundary layer and the only possible explanation for it in my view, and I've been through all possible explanations, the best one is the fragmenting comet explanation.

00:10:19.000 And then, because the fragmenting comet creates a meteor stream, that meteor stream by the way still exists, it's called the Taurid meteor stream.

00:10:28.000 We pass through it twice a year and that's why we have the so-called Halloween fireworks.

00:10:32.000 We see a lot of shooting stars around October.

00:10:35.000 We pass through it in June and then October, November.

00:10:38.000 What happens is that this meteor stream has spread out.

00:10:41.000 It's very, very wide now and it includes many filaments of debris.

00:10:45.000 Some of them are small and some of them are very, very large.

00:10:49.000 And what appears to have happened between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago was that the Earth passed repeatedly through large bits of this meteor stream and was repeatedly impacted.

00:11:02.000 So the big event is 12,800 years ago, but there's another huge event 11,600 years ago.

00:11:08.000 And sea level rise at that point, it's called Meltwater Pulse 1B.

00:11:13.000 is enormous.

00:11:13.000 There's a huge sea level rise.

00:11:15.000 Now archaeologists say it wasn't so huge, it was spread out over a number of years, but you can't take an average as to what happens in a particular year.

00:11:21.000 You can have a year where there's a massive sea level rise and another year where there's none.

00:11:26.000 If you take the average of that, you're not getting the true picture of what's happening.

00:11:29.000 But I think it's true to say that if our civilisation was confronted by an overnight 30 foot rise in sea level, it would have devastating effects on our civilisation and it had devastating effects on the world Well...

00:11:43.000 What you've said is so broad, diverse, and includes a lot of data, cosmological, geological, and it's quite wide ranging.

00:11:55.000 And I can see how it would be difficult to make those claims irrefutably.

00:12:01.000 It doesn't appear to me that anything you're saying is so contentious as to warrant censorship.

00:12:09.000 Do you think that the attacks that you have foregone, have received, have been the recipient of, are motivated by the kind of reflexive protection of orthodoxy that could be applicable in any field?

00:12:26.000 Or do you feel that as this pertains to Our particular history as a species, our hermeneutics, our worldview, progressivism, and I mean technological, medicinal and scientific progressivism in particular, are challenged by the idea that we are not currently experiencing the apex of human civilization and the hubris that would be punctured by that is threatened by the idea that

00:12:55.000 We are not now the greatest that we have ever been, that there is much to learn.

00:13:00.000 Is that part of it?

00:13:01.000 And we could be the next lost civilization too.

00:13:05.000 It's all of the above actually, Russell.

00:13:07.000 First of all, there is that reflexive, defensive posture of a professional body, of an institution which wants to protect its boundaries.

00:13:16.000 And that is very much clear.

00:13:17.000 Secondly, it came as quite a surprise to me, but I realise it's part of the culture now.

00:13:26.000 One of the reasons I was attacked was because my series, Ancient Apocalypse, seemed to be calling into question the expertise of archaeologists.

00:13:36.000 And what the journalists did with that is say, what's going to happen next?

00:13:39.000 Are we going to call into question all expertise?

00:13:43.000 It seemed to be about a defense of experts in our society.

00:13:46.000 Now, I've got nothing against experts.

00:13:51.000 alive today because of experts after a catastrophic epileptic seizure in 2017.

00:13:57.000 I'm walking today because of experts.

00:13:59.000 I've got two replaced hips. 0.96

00:14:01.000 There's a huge role for experts and I welcome much expertise, but they should never be allowed to have a dominant voice.

00:14:08.000 They should not be controlling.

00:14:10.000 They should not say, we know everything and you must simply do what we tell you.

00:14:15.000 And that seemed to be the primary reaction to the series, that it was undermining confidence in experts and that somehow this is threatening to our society.

00:14:28.000 And then secondly, Russell, yes, you're right, the idea that I'm putting forward that we may have lost a whole episode in the human story.

00:14:34.000 Which, we haven't lost it completely because it's been passed down to us in myths and traditions all around the world, but that we've lost to our, if you like, our institutional memory.

00:14:45.000 The notion that there existed a civilization during the Ice Age does raise important questions over our civilization today.

00:14:53.000 And first of all, is it actually the apex and pinnacle of human achievement as we imagine it to be, as we're taught it is?

00:15:00.000 You know, we're taught that we're the end of a long line of intellectual evolution that has finally brought us to this high point of complete Control and understanding of the universe and suddenly we're tipped from that pinnacle and we have to wrestle with the possibility that there may have been other kinds of civilizations which may have done things in different ways from the way we do them.

00:15:22.000 We may not be the best at all.

00:15:24.000 We may even be the worst.

00:15:26.000 If I may create an extraordinary and odd phrase, it's like there's a kind of temporal occidentalism.

00:15:32.000 The idea that indigenous and native ideas are somehow inferior and secondary.

00:15:40.000 The presumption that we are at the apex.

00:15:42.000 The presumption that other people are there to be colonized.

00:15:44.000 The idea that there is just one linear trajectory.

00:15:48.000 I notice frequently In the kind of dialogue between experts and the grateful recipients of their manor, M-A-N-N-A, yeah? 1.00

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 That there's a kind of hubris and haughtiness, whether it's witnessing Fauci admonishing African Americans on the doorstep for vaccine hesitancy, and we're covering that in a later show, Or elsewhere, where there's a denial of spiritual principles based on that which is measurable.

00:16:20.000 Of course, if something is ineffable and beyond our sensory dimensions, then it's going to

00:16:27.000 be difficult to empirically demonstrate it.

00:16:31.000 We're going to leave YouTube now, and for the rest of the show, we'll be exclusively

00:16:35.000 available on Rumble, talking about a whole range of ideas.

00:16:39.000 You can click the link in the description and join us there.

00:16:42.000 And remember, go to Graham Hancock's website if you want to see him live.

00:16:47.000 Graham, I love having the opportunity to talk to you because I guess we get to investigate

00:16:53.000 ideas that can be defining.

00:16:56.000 When you were talking about this idea of a lost civilization or a golden age, it's significant and interesting to see how frequently that appears in scripture and mythology.

00:17:07.000 Of course, a Jungian or Campbellian, shall we say, analysis of that would be that it's harking back to a kind of prenatal state.

00:17:14.000 We're suspended in fluid, we all lived in perpetual bliss, our every need met, not aware of separation, till we were cast out of the garden, forced to fend for ourselves.

00:17:26.000 I only left the breast at 25 myself!

00:17:30.000 And I've still been trying to find a way back, let me tell you!

00:17:34.000 Do you think then that the sort of seeming collective memory of Atlantis or a kind of a golden age or an imperature of a utopia that proceeds rather than a utopia to which we aspire is psychological in its origin Or sociological?

00:17:54.000 I know that you're saying it's sociological because of the events you've just described, but do you think that, because it seems that one of the most contentious things you say, or one of the things for which you are most attacked, appears to be, you know, like when you talk about Plato, talking about Atlantis, and also I know another thing, because I did some research and I try not to, Graham.

00:18:14.000 Because I do like to shoot from the hip.

00:18:16.000 A good place to shoot from.

00:18:17.000 Yeah, nice.

00:18:18.000 Why bother holding a gun up high? 1.00

00:18:19.000 It makes you look stupid. 1.00

00:18:21.000 Shoot from down there. 1.00

00:18:22.000 It's cooler.

00:18:25.000 One of the things I saw is that when you talk about them kind of sonar radar type scans, you'll tell us the right word in a second, that are possible to do with like the Amazon, and you say, oh, it could be that there's stuff down there.

00:18:37.000 One of the leery attacks from the mainstream that I saw is, well, the one where I fall, Oh my God, I know Graham Hancock.

00:18:43.000 As far as I know, he's not a Nazi.

00:18:45.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:18:46.000 It was like, this is so dangerous!

00:18:48.000 I said, well what is it that Graham Hancock said?

00:18:50.000 He said, it's perfectly okay to leave your dog in the car in summer with all the windows up.

00:18:56.000 Give children sweets and drugs!

00:18:58.000 What has Graham Hancock said?

00:18:58.000 Like, what is it?

00:19:00.000 Well, one of the things seemed to be like, oh, like, that you've said, using these sonar detection things, it looks like there could be structures in the Amazon.

00:19:09.000 There definitely are.

00:19:10.000 Right, well, one of the things I read was them going, that could be a whole host of things!

00:19:14.000 So I'd like to know about the stuff about Plato, and I'd like to know about the stuff of what them sonar things are detecting in the Amazon, please.

00:19:22.000 Alright, well first of all, the story of Atlantis.

00:19:25.000 If you mention the word Atlantis to any archaeologist, they will tend to roll their eyes on the assumption that they're dealing with somebody from the lunatic fringe.

00:19:36.000 So almost by definition, if you take the concept of Atlantis seriously, you're regarded by archaeologists and their friends in the media as a kind of lunatic.

00:19:45.000 I've always found this odd, because the earliest surviving source for the tradition of Atlantis is the highly respected figure of Plato.

00:19:55.000 He passes it down to us in dialogues called the Timaeus and the Critias.

00:20:01.000 He speaks of an advanced civilization, which was headquartered on an island, and that that island was submerged by an enormous flood, and in a single day and night was completely destroyed.

00:20:17.000 Now, the view of archaeology is that this is all a fantastic tale that Plato made up, that he simply wanted to make some kind of political or philosophical point, so he invented Atlantis.

00:20:34.000 Immediately contradicting that is the fact that there are hundreds of traditions from all around the world.

00:20:39.000 Plato is the one that calls it Atlantis, but there are hundreds of traditions from all around the world that speak of a great flood and the destruction of a former civilization.

00:20:50.000 And then the second issue is that Plato includes precise scientific information in the story, and this is what archaeology is ignoring.

00:21:00.000 When it says that it's all a fantastical made-up tale.

00:21:03.000 And it's to do with that Meltwater Pulse 1B that I mentioned, that brought the Younger Dryas to an end 11,600 years ago and raised sea levels massively.

00:21:15.000 Plato said that the story came to him through his family line.

00:21:19.000 His family line included the Greek lawmaker Solon some two or three hundred years before.

00:21:25.000 Plato was writing in the 300 Solons around 600 BC.

00:21:29.000 And Solon made a famous and historically recorded visit to Egypt.

00:21:34.000 There's no dispute about that.

00:21:36.000 And that visit to Egypt ...was around 600 B.C.

00:21:40.000 So that tells us that that visit to Egypt was around 2,600 years before our time today.

00:21:47.000 So there's Solon in Egypt in 600 B.C.

00:21:50.000 He's visiting a temple that no longer exists, the Temple of Neith at Sise in the Delta, and he's shown writings on the walls by the priests.

00:21:59.000 And he says, what do these writings say?

00:22:01.000 And the priests then unravel the whole story of Atlantis and they tell how there was this great advanced civilization, which at one time was extremely beneficial and positive to the world, but which fell out of harmony with the universe, became domineering, began to impose its power on other peoples around the world, became arrogant, became overconfident in itself, suffered from hubris, and a ringing phrase ceased to wear its moderation with prosperity.

00:22:34.000 And the universe intervened and struck Atlantis down.

00:22:38.000 So Solon said to the priests, OK, when did this happen?

00:22:42.000 And they said, quite matter-of-factly, oh, 9,000 years ago.

00:22:46.000 That's in 600 BC.

00:22:48.000 Do the math.

00:22:49.000 That's a date in our calendar.

00:22:51.000 That's 11,600 years ago.

00:22:51.000 That's 9,600 BC.

00:22:53.000 That's Meltwater Pulse 1B.

00:22:57.000 The moment I realised that those two things connected, I could no longer accept the derision that is poured on Plato's story.

00:23:05.000 He is giving us a date when we know that there was a huge rise in sea level.

00:23:11.000 I don't understand why archaeologists are so determined to defend this derision that they pour upon the idea of Atlantis.

00:23:22.000 And often they say, oh, you know, Plato claimed that the story was sourced in ancient Egypt, but there's no such story in ancient Egypt. 0.65

00:23:29.000 Again, that's complete rubbish.

00:23:32.000 Visit the Temple of Horus at Edfu in Upper Egypt, which is still standing, and you will find the Edfu building texts which relate the entire Atlantis story. 0.95

00:23:39.000 They don't call it Atlantis.

00:23:41.000 They call it the homeland of the primeval ones, but it's an island.

00:23:45.000 It's struck down and drowned in a flood.

00:23:47.000 There are survivors, and some of those survivors come to Egypt and create primeval mounds, which are to be the site of all future temples and pyramids in Egypt.

00:23:54.000 So the connection to ancient Egypt that Solon draws and Plato passes on is actually very real.

00:24:00.000 It's very solid.

00:24:02.000 And I'm pleased to say that there has now been a full translation of the Edfu text, which is a translation into German.

00:24:10.000 The German Archaeological Institute and an individual called Dieter Kurth.

00:24:13.000 It's an incredibly important translation and it is going to completely unravel the archaeological position on the Egyptian origins of the story of Atlantis.

00:24:23.000 Completely unravel it.

00:24:24.000 And this is going to be very disturbing for archaeology.

00:24:28.000 I am beginning to understand why there's opposition to challenging convention, because it feels like elsewhere in our culture there is a strong appetite to impose centralised control on many established institutions.

00:24:48.000 I have read and often reflected on the writing of this CIA analyst Martin Goury.

00:24:53.000 He says that since we've had the technology to communicate en masse and immediately create counter-narratives, the establishment has had the option of either accepting there are now numerous publics accumulating and aggregating around different issues and to democratize

00:25:09.000 information and democratize power as much as possible and recognize that the era of

00:25:13.000 centralization is sort of coming to a type of conclusion or to double down on authoritarianism,

00:25:19.000 smear dissent in all of its forms, try to control the narrative by creating

00:25:24.000 opportunity for regulation.

00:25:26.000 And what you're saying, I suppose, because when we use like rhetorically phrases like

00:25:33.000 follow the science, it's a kind of claim for superiority that doesn't acknowledge that

00:25:39.000 science is a subset of all sorts of other interests, most obviously, evidently, observably

00:25:45.000 and measurably financial interests.

00:25:48.000 Plainly, only clinical trials are being undertaken that at some point may become profitable.

00:25:55.000 Perhaps There are less easy to observe biases indeed, that's much of your argument, that take place in every field and notably in this case archaeology.

00:26:03.000 Because if we start to present a different human history, a different possibility for human future starts to naturally emerge.

00:26:11.000 In my own contemplation of how we might live, I think How did we evolve to live?

00:26:20.000 What is natural for us?

00:26:23.000 Not culturally in a modern sense, but how do we engage with our environment?

00:26:28.000 How do we engage with one another?

00:26:30.000 How do we engage with nature?

00:26:32.000 How do we engage with God or the unknowable?

00:26:36.000 If there are different cultural examples of that, that may be obfuscated by the events you describe, but nevertheless, Point to the fact that they may not be savages grunting around and dragging things off into caves, whether to eat them or fornicate with them, but a highly advanced species that could move mountains with their minds, that communicate with unknowable beings from other dimensions, that unlock mathematical mysteries, that appear in hieroglyphs etched upon ancient walls.

00:27:10.000 Then the supremacy of the modern era and the The attitudes that represent it suddenly seem a little more fallible.

00:27:18.000 That's what I saw most strongly of all in the reaction to Ancient Apocalypse, which is that that reaction says that there are forces at work in our society that do not want people thinking for themselves, that do not want people doing their own research and investigating subjects directly, that want people simply to accept what the so-called experts tell them.

00:27:39.000 to buy that in the whole cloth and not argue with it and dispute it in any way.

00:27:45.000 And I think that that is a sinister trend in our society.

00:27:49.000 Yes, there's a role for experts, I've said that already, play an important role, but there's also a role for the individual researcher and for people who get their sleeves rolled up and get down into detail investigating the past for themselves.

00:28:04.000 And while It may be true that a pilot of an airplane does really need to be trained in order to fly that airplane.

00:28:13.000 I wouldn't like to get into an airplane if the pilot wasn't trained to fly an airplane.

00:28:17.000 Why not?

00:28:17.000 Where's your sense of fun?

00:28:21.000 It's a different matter with archaeology and with the past.

00:28:23.000 The past is the heritage of all humanity.

00:28:26.000 We all have a right to a point of view on it.

00:28:28.000 We all have a right to look into it.

00:28:30.000 And I think it was that attempt to democratise the past on my part, which led to this ferocious and furious reaction.

00:28:40.000 But I'm really glad there was that reaction, because it's created a conversation that otherwise would not have occurred.

00:28:45.000 And it's required archaeologists to look in on themselves and see how they are viewed by the public.

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 Archaeologist, dig a little deeper.

00:28:54.000 Dig a little deeper, yeah.

00:28:55.000 Yeah, that's a joke.

00:28:56.000 No one can deny that.

00:28:57.000 Were you not, um, or within it, excuse me, were you not upset, like, your wife's Amphae, she's a woman of colour, what about when they say you're racist?

00:28:57.000 No one on earth.

00:29:06.000 Didn't that make you think... I was...

00:29:08.000 To hear this on Censored, watch on Rumble.

00:29:11.000 Only on Rumble, Censored.

00:29:13.000 Only on Rumble, Censored.

00:29:15.000 This is where I speak of a propaganda war, because it's as though they selected certain keywords.

00:29:20.000 If we can apply these keywords, if enough people repeat these keywords, then people won't read any of Hancock's work or look at his series.

00:29:27.000 And those keywords included saying that my work supports white supremacy, that it encourages racism, That it's misogynistic and that it's anti-semitic.

00:29:39.000 All of those phrases were applied to my series.

00:29:43.000 I don't understand why.

00:29:44.000 Except to say... I'm against all those things!

00:29:49.000 If we stick these labels enough and if enough people repeat these labels then people say we won't bother reading Hancock because he's a racist and a white supremacist.

00:29:57.000 And that seemed to be the idea.

00:29:58.000 That's propaganda.

00:29:59.000 That's not real scientific debate that was going on there.

00:30:04.000 You're right, because archaeology in particular could afford a spirit of amateurism.

00:30:07.000 My understanding from people like Sheldrake and stuff is that even much botany and biology emerged out of priest class.

00:30:15.000 It was almost an amateur pursuit of religious folk.

00:30:18.000 And of course there's a place for experts, as you say, with your pilot analogy.

00:30:22.000 Of course you need expertise, but what you don't need is technocracy and aristocracy.

00:30:26.000 A institutionalised elite class that's saying we're the only people that are allowed to discuss this.

00:30:31.000 You see it in the media all the time. 1.00

00:30:32.000 We're spoken to like we are stupid. 1.00

00:30:34.000 We are cast in the role of subjugates of children. 1.00

00:30:38.000 That's how the discourse takes place.

00:30:39.000 Have a look at that Fauci clip.

00:30:41.000 Have a look at the orthodox, what do I want to say, Pharisee-like contempt that is dispatched by people in positions of scientific authority.

00:30:51.000 Of course if you're in a position of scientific authority, you have scientific authority.

00:30:54.000 That's where it ends. It's not authority to start telling people what to do, shut shit down. 0.99

00:30:58.000 Like it starts to... what they appear to do is demark a territory where the expertise is difficult to dispute 0.97

00:31:07.000 and then use that as a point of departure for applicable authority, despotism and tyranny.

00:31:16.000 And once you start saying, hey, maybe the past isn't what we think it is, should we look at some new ideas?

00:31:19.000 It's always been the case that advancing and emergent ideas come from the periphery

00:31:24.000 because the establishment has a vested interest in containing it.

00:31:28.000 It's a personal set of human hermeneutics, its own personal epistemology.

00:31:33.000 It guards it for that is the source of its power.

00:31:36.000 Once you break open the tabernacle and start saying, hey, why don't we all have a look around?

00:31:39.000 How about we all have our own relationship with God? 0.94

00:31:41.000 How about we all, like, that doesn't mean you're going to let some nitwit be in charge of an airplane or a pandemic response.

00:31:47.000 But you do also want to know, are the people in charge of this response financially invested in particular outcomes?

00:31:53.000 Are we getting all of the available information?

00:31:56.000 Is the media unbiased?

00:31:58.000 Are they allowing all potential voices to participate in this conversation?

00:32:01.000 Oddly, for all of their talk of diversity, they seem pretty interested in exclusivity, and in particular, exclusion.

00:32:08.000 And so I suppose, like, your particular case, uh demonstrates what these forces will do when a new emergent voice is heard and becomes popular even if it seems odd to use phrases like anti-semitism misogyny and it don't make sense even the racism thing really really really hurt me

00:32:30.000 At a personal level, because as you rightly say, Santhe is a woman of colour.

00:32:34.000 She's of South Indian origin, born in Malaysia.

00:32:38.000 We have mixed-race children.

00:32:39.000 And to be publicly labelled as a racist, I have to confess, that really hurt me.

00:32:45.000 It wounded me deeply.

00:32:46.000 And I couldn't get why that was being flung at me, except that it would be a useful way to turn people off my work.

00:32:53.000 And that's the propaganda aspect of this, that I realise that I am involved in a propaganda war.

00:33:00.000 And that needs to be taken seriously, if I'm going to get my point of view across.

00:33:06.000 And the other thing is, and I'd like to come on to this Amazon issue.

00:33:12.000 So archaeologists claim, or archaeology as an institution claims, that they know enough about the past to rule out completely any possibility of any kind of thing that we would call a civilisation during the Ice Age.

00:33:27.000 But there's a real problem with that, because archaeology has only investigated tiny areas of the world.

00:33:33.000 A great deal of archaeology that's done is done because a road or a dam is being built, and archaeologists are called in to make sure that there's nothing of historical interest in there.

00:33:43.000 So it's random in that sense, the areas that they're looking at.

00:33:46.000 Then Most important to me is that issue of sea level rise at the end of the Ice Age.

00:33:52.000 That 400 foot rise in sea level that occurred when the Ice Age came to an end.

00:33:58.000 The 27 million square kilometres of continental shelves that were swallowed up by the sea at that time, which have hardly been investigated by archaeology.

00:34:10.000 There is some marine archaeology, They're even beginning now, just in the last few years, to look at the continental shelves and that's when the whole notion of Doggerland was discovered, that Britain was joined to the continent and that there were people there.

00:34:24.000 Steady! 0.66

00:34:25.000 We did that Brexit once and we'll do it again if we have to! 0.84

00:34:29.000 Even if it takes a nice age!

00:34:32.000 Yeah, so the main focus of marine archaeology is on shipwrecks from relatively recent history.

00:34:39.000 There needs to be a much more comprehensive survey of the continental shelves before we can write off the possibility of a civilisation destroyed in that cataclysm.

00:34:47.000 And it's not only the continental shelves.

00:34:49.000 Then you've got the nine million square kilometres of the Sahara Desert.

00:34:52.000 We know for sure that there were periods during the Ice Age when the Sahara was rich and fertile.

00:34:57.000 Huge river systems ran through it.

00:34:59.000 There were lakes in the Sahara.

00:35:01.000 And yet, because it's remote, because it's very expensive to operate there, very little archaeology has been done in the Sahara.

00:35:08.000 So that's another nine million square kilometres of the Earth's surface that archaeology really doesn't know a lot about.

00:35:14.000 And then there's the Amazon rainforest.

00:35:16.000 Now, it used to be about 7 million square kilometres, but these horrific clearances that have been taking place in the Amazon have brought it down to closer to 5, 5 to 6 million square kilometres that are still untouched under canopy rainforest.

00:35:31.000 And this is another area where Only very minimal archaeology has been done.

00:35:36.000 And for archaeology to claim that it knows everything about our past, while it's not investigated the continental shelves, it's not investigated the Sahara Desert, and it's not investigated the Amazon rainforest, is a terrible oversight in my view, particularly since...

00:35:51.000 I repeat, I'm not against individual archaeologists.

00:35:54.000 I'm against the institution.

00:35:56.000 And there are archaeologists now working with a technology called LiDAR, Light Imaging and Detecting and Ranging, which you fly a plane over the area that you want to look at, and it can look down through the canopy of the Amazon rainforest, and it can see what's underneath it.

00:36:10.000 And what they're finding is evidence of enormous cities that existed in the Amazon.

00:36:16.000 Oddly enough, those cities were actually spoken about by a Spanish traveler in the late 1500s.

00:36:26.000 Why did they vanish?

00:36:27.000 Because the Spanish brought with them smallpox. 1.00

00:36:30.000 And the smallpox completely destroyed the populations of the Amazon.

00:36:34.000 But at one time, it was a flourishing, highly populated area.

00:36:40.000 Secondly, they were creating enormous sacred constructions, things that we would call henges today, like Avebury Henge, that deep circular trench that surrounds Avebury.

00:36:49.000 In the Amazon, the LiDAR technology is finding dozens and dozens of examples of these.

00:36:55.000 Enormous hinges.

00:36:56.000 Some of them are circular.

00:36:57.000 Some of them are square.

00:36:59.000 Some of them enclose a circle within a square.

00:37:01.000 It's all very geometrical.

00:37:02.000 It's most unexpected in the Amazon.

00:37:04.000 And it's very, very, very old.

00:37:06.000 Been detected by LIDAR.

00:37:08.000 They've been physically examined in places that have been already cleared of rainforest.

00:37:13.000 They definitely exist, they're definitely old, and what's needed now is a much more thorough investigation of the Amazon rainforest itself by archaeology, if archaeology wishes to continue to claim that it knows everything about the human past.

00:37:27.000 It's analogous in many ways to fields that I pay more attention to myself, where there is an assumption that where there has been no exploration or observation, nothing exists.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 There's nothing there.

00:37:41.000 Have you looked yet?

00:37:42.000 No.

00:37:44.000 Once, there's Brian Cox, who's someone I actually really like, he's an atheist and stuff.

00:37:50.000 Like he said, if you can't measure it, it isn't there.

00:37:54.000 And I felt like, but Surely that means that we are limiting all potential realities to the realities that can be contained by sensory instruments, that by their nature must be limited.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, literally to weighing, measuring and counting.

00:38:07.000 Reality is confined to what we can weigh, measure and count.

00:38:07.000 Yes.

00:38:10.000 That is largely the position of mainstream science in this area.

00:38:13.000 That's where Rupert Sheldrake gets himself into so much trouble.

00:38:16.000 Because you can't weigh, measure and count telepathy, for example.

00:38:21.000 You can do scientific experiments concerning it, and Rupert has done so.

00:38:24.000 His work is scientifically rigorous.

00:38:26.000 But it's dismissed automatically, because most scientists say, of course there's no such thing as telepathy.

00:38:32.000 The brain is the generator of all consciousness, and it's limited to our bodies, and it cannot communicate with other brains without words or language in between.

00:38:39.000 It's necessarily speculative to include Carl Sagan's beautiful idea that everything ever said is still reverberating limitlessly in space, that TV broadcasts in the 1940s emanate still there amidst the limitless.

00:38:54.000 And if you can accept that vibration operates in that way and there is a vibrational quality to consciousness, the idea that consciousness could be intercommunicative Speculatively, at least, that seems plausible.

00:39:06.000 But within this idea that only that which can be measured can be real is the ridiculous assumption that by some extraordinary coincidence we have been endowed with all potential instruments for discerning all potential realities.

00:39:20.000 Yes.

00:39:20.000 When even most basic mainstream cosmology includes the idea of infinity and eternity.

00:39:27.000 Wouldn't it be an extraordinary coincidence that on one hand you accept the infinite and on the other hand you say, but we have got all of the necessary instruments to evaluate the infinite.

00:39:37.000 That is ludicrous. 0.95

00:39:39.000 It's ludicrous. 0.99

00:39:40.000 It's true arrogance and hubris. 0.95

00:39:43.000 I've noticed it in the cherry picking of my work that critics do.

00:39:49.000 I have, from time to time, I think it might take up two pages in America Before, a book I published in 2019, and maybe a page or two in other earlier books, where I've speculated, is this lost civilisation that I'm looking for, did they have other ways of manipulating matter that we don't have?

00:40:10.000 Should I perhaps take seriously the ancient Egyptian traditions of priests chanting and raising blocks into the air?

00:40:18.000 Should I take that seriously?

00:40:20.000 And I actually think I should take that seriously because I've climbed the Great Pyramid five times and it's an incredibly difficult, impossible monument to explain.

00:40:27.000 Everything about it is just mind-blowing.

00:40:31.000 And the notion that huge long ramps, sloping at 10 degrees, that teams of people pulled 20, 30, 70 ton blocks up and deposited them inside the Great Pyramid above the King's Chamber at about 300 feet above the ground.

00:40:47.000 I think that the conventional method of explaining that is very limited and I think we should be open to the possibility that we are not the masters of everything that human beings can do and that it is possible that people did things in a different way in the past, that telekinesis may have been a real power.

00:41:03.000 Now the point I want to make is that in my work That is a tiny fraction of 1% of what I write, and I label it from the beginning as speculation.

00:41:15.000 But when archaeologists critique my work, that's what they focus on.

00:41:19.000 Hancock believes in telepathy and telekinesis. 0.99

00:41:22.000 He's obviously a lunatic. 0.72

00:41:24.000 Once again, we're dealing with propaganda, and once again we're dealing with a fixed paradigm about what reality is. 0.99

00:41:30.000 Racist Hancock believes that Mind Lego made Egypt.

00:41:35.000 It's like, what they'll do, even with a conversation like this one, they'll find the bits that are like, you know, what that does is it inhibits the spirit of mental adventure.

00:41:47.000 The commodity of imagination is our great gift.

00:41:50.000 That all of the wonders of the world come via the human imagination.

00:41:54.000 That it's a gift that is equally endowed upon us all.

00:41:57.000 That we might all embark on these ideas.

00:41:59.000 What they want to do is foreclose.

00:42:00.000 No, you're not an expert.

00:42:01.000 Where are you from?

00:42:02.000 Who do you think you are?

00:42:03.000 Where'd you get that accent? 1.00

00:42:03.000 Shut your mouth. 1.00

00:42:05.000 They'll find a reason to shut you down. 1.00

00:42:07.000 They'll find a reason to stop you investigating.

00:42:09.000 Why?

00:42:09.000 Because establishment interests have to be observed.

00:42:12.000 People that say that no change is necessary are people that benefit from things saying the same.

00:42:16.000 And it's in particular in your work, because it seems odd to me that, sort of, it's not whimsical, because it couldn't be more important where human beings come from.

00:42:24.000 I'm not trying to, I'm obviously not being dismissive of your work.

00:42:26.000 But it's not like your field is directly about how power structures should be organised.

00:42:31.000 It's not like your work is to make Pfizer accountable for their profits in the last couple of years, or did the CIA kill JFK?

00:42:39.000 It's not like you're going into territory where it's like, whoa, what's this dude saying?

00:42:44.000 Some fascinating musings about the great mystery of humankind.

00:42:49.000 That's the other thing.

00:42:49.000 They label my work as a conspiracy theorist.

00:42:54.000 I don't know what conspiracy theory I'm part of.

00:42:57.000 I don't have any conspiracy theory.

00:42:59.000 I don't even think archaeologists are in a conspiracy.

00:43:02.000 I don't think it's a conspiracy.

00:43:03.000 I think once you commit to a particular profession, you commit to the ruling paradigm of that profession.

00:43:08.000 And that's what's happening.

00:43:09.000 It's not like we're hiding the truth.

00:43:12.000 I don't think archaeology is hiding the truth about our past.

00:43:14.000 I just think they're not looking in the right places and they haven't looked enough to make dominant statements about the past.

00:43:22.000 That's the view that I have on that.

00:43:24.000 So this is another one of those key phrases in our society that can be applied without Any effort or energy on the part of the person applying them, with complete idleness, just call him a conspiracy theorist, just call him a racist, just call him a white supremacist, call him an anti-Semite and we'll turn people off his work right away.

00:43:44.000 This is the problem that we're dealing with and it's a sinister trend in our society that is not limited to the field that I work in.

00:43:50.000 It's right across our society now.

00:43:53.000 And while it is often claimed that we live in the era of great freedom, I'm not sure that we do.

00:43:59.000 I think we live in an era of very sophisticated mind control.

00:44:04.000 I'm not sure how much planning there is behind that.

00:44:07.000 I'm not certain how much coordination there is behind that, but the tools and the techniques are available and propaganda is one of those tools and techniques to shut down alternative narratives, that there must be one controlling

00:44:18.000 narrative that runs our society and that anything that questions that must be

00:44:24.000 shut down and any dirty trick that can be deployed to question that will be

00:44:30.000 It's obviously throughout all worlds writing that where sensorialism can flourish best

00:44:30.000 deployed.

00:44:38.000 is when they control even your imagination.

00:44:41.000 The private spaces of your mind become eerie and forbidden to you, that you daren't dream, that you daren't believe that you can create a better life, a better world.

00:44:53.000 When they foreclose on even contemplation and imagination, they prevent change.

00:44:58.000 So you start to see how... And as I'm fond of recounting, George Carlin said, there is no requirement for conspiracy where interests converge.

00:45:08.000 And without becoming conspiratorial, if you look, for example, at the pandemic, if pharmaceutical interests to profit and government interests to regulate and control converge, you can see that there's a kind of momentum that takes place.

00:45:23.000 When you have systems where the individuals within them are not significantly empowered, As Yanis Varoufakis told us when they were trying to get Tsaritsa's win in the Greek elections ratified, verified, and the mandate they'd received from the Greek public to not pay back the bank loans around the 2008 crash, he said he realized when dealing with the EU that the person he was talking to, even this is some high-up bod within the EU, had no power.

00:45:47.000 That person, if you're the kind of person that's gonna go, Actually, we will honour that democratic right.

00:45:51.000 You ain't getting that job.

00:45:53.000 Like Chomsky said, like when talking to Andrew Marr years ago, like Andrew Marr goes, but I've not been conditioned.

00:45:58.000 I've not been conditioned by the mainstream.

00:46:00.000 Chomsky said, if you hadn't been conditioned, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.

00:46:06.000 You don't know.

00:46:07.000 The kids that are getting kicked out of the school, the kids that aren't getting into the university, the kids that are getting lifed off on a bloody medication, the Ritalin and stuff, from day one, you're being shut down.

00:46:18.000 What do you think is the function of education primarily?

00:46:20.000 Free thought or conformity?

00:46:22.000 Just remember your own education.

00:46:24.000 Maybe you went to a private school and they made you a conformist that can flourish in the labour market for that class of people.

00:46:29.000 Or maybe you went to a state school and you can compete in the labour market for those type of jobs.

00:46:34.000 But what you will remember, using your own mind, and this is not a critique of teachers, who I revere and respect and love, is that the function of education is to generate conformity, not free thought.

00:46:43.000 Absolutely.

00:46:44.000 Good.

00:46:45.000 That's fundamentally...

00:46:48.000 What it's all about.

00:46:52.000 Since you brought up the pandemic... I do, I bring it up!

00:46:56.000 Let me just address that for a moment, because that's another one of those subjects that now people can't talk about in a way.

00:47:03.000 If you question any of the mainstream narrative about the pandemic, you're immediately regarded as a Disruptive influence, a conspiracist, somebody who's undermining society in some way.

00:47:16.000 Let me tell you my personal view.

00:47:18.000 I had COVID. 1.00

00:47:19.000 It's a fucking horrible thing. 0.99

00:47:21.000 I was really ill with it. 0.99

00:47:23.000 I am fully convinced that it is a real thing.

00:47:26.000 There is COVID.

00:47:27.000 I don't know whether it was deliberately released into the world as a result of genetic engineering or whether it was some sort of accidental.

00:47:35.000 I don't know that.

00:47:36.000 But what I do know is that the moment it became Yes.

00:47:41.000 It's back!

00:47:41.000 Uh-oh, it's back!

00:47:44.000 The moment it became a thing, the moment it became recognised as a pandemic, that's when our government saw a huge opportunity.

00:47:51.000 I don't just mean the British government, I mean governments all around the world.

00:47:54.000 A huge opportunity to inculcate the habit of obedience in the population.

00:47:59.000 This is what it was used for.

00:48:00.000 Whether there was a conspiracy behind making it, that's not my subject.

00:48:04.000 But I can say, looking at this, that it's been exploited and used by government to persuade people to be obedient.

00:48:11.000 And to not only do that but to tell people that by being obedient it's in your interests and it's in everybody else's interests as well.

00:48:18.000 This is very sinister and very dangerous and as it spreads into other areas of society it shuts down all conversation and all possibilities of dispute.

00:48:25.000 Absolutely.

00:48:26.000 My interest, and I sense the interest of the people watching this now live on Locals, which you can do if you're a member of our community, or watching us on Rumble because we're getting into some shady territory now, baby, is that it provided an opportunity to observe how power functions.

00:48:41.000 Of course, I'm not claiming to be an expert in epidemiology or the pharmaceutical response to a disease.

00:48:47.000 You know, in a way, who cares?

00:48:48.000 I'm absolutely willing to take the advice of experts.

00:48:51.000 But as you say, we can observe in real time, in a relatively short period of time, what type of information was shared at the beginning of the pandemic, what kind of information was repressed, what information has subsequently come out, what voices were silenced, what narratives were promoted, what measures were taken, and always the biggest clue of all, Benefited.

00:49:12.000 Was there a wealth transfer of five trillion dollars?

00:49:14.000 Who got that money?

00:49:15.000 Was it ordinary people around the world?

00:49:17.000 Oh no!

00:49:18.000 It was people in big tech, people in big pharma.

00:49:20.000 How extraordinary!

00:49:21.000 Do you think that that's irrelevant or relevant?

00:49:24.000 You can do your own scientific experiments now.

00:49:26.000 If you think that's irrelevant, then I sort of admire the optimism that suggests. But if you think that the function of these

00:49:34.000 systems is to retain their own power and to create opportunity for ongoing

00:49:38.000 benefit, then there's some questions to be had. When we spoke to Glenn

00:49:42.000 Greenwald the other day on our channel, that's still up, you can watch that right

00:49:45.000 now, he said that like in the days of Rockefeller and the oligarchs of the old

00:49:50.000 days, who seem sort of like adorable old cuddly folks now, they were, like he

00:49:54.000 said, like he's recounted that they were tossed dollar bills from limousines,

00:49:58.000 that the good favour of the public was something that an oligarchy was

00:50:02.000 dependent upon.

00:50:03.000 But it seems some decision has been made, and I would suggest that it's a result of them understanding that the means of control now exist.

00:50:10.000 Whether that's through a militarized police force, whether that's through AI, whether that's through the ability to control narratives, smear dissenters, shut down inquiring voices.

00:50:21.000 A different choice has been made now.

00:50:23.000 Not appeasement of the populace, but come and get us.

00:50:26.000 Come and get us is the shift that's being made now, that they are willing to take it to the next level.

00:50:32.000 This is a great conversation with Glenn Greenwald.

00:50:34.000 He put it better than I could, but it suggests to me that there's been a sort of a shift because there's a point where a docile population slumbering on a sofa, consuming dumb TV and downing sugar, that's okay.

00:50:48.000 Most of us aren't going to go to the streets if we're relatively comfortable. 0.99

00:50:51.000 It's a pain in the arse. 0.98

00:50:53.000 To become righteous, to become active, to confront power. 0.98

00:50:56.000 It's not easy, but there's a point where it becomes necessary.

00:51:00.000 And I feel that that's the point that we're approaching, Graham.

00:51:03.000 Very much so.

00:51:04.000 Very, very much so.

00:51:05.000 And there needs to be an awakening around this because there are sinister forces at work.

00:51:10.000 I'm not going to pin them down and say this group or that group or this pharmaceutical company or another, but a general mind control operation is at work in our society.

00:51:21.000 Whether, as I said, whether it's highly organized or not, I'm not sure.

00:51:24.000 But the tools are there to shut down debate and dissent.

00:51:29.000 And it doesn't involve having a dictator sitting at the top.

00:51:33.000 It all unfolds within the context of democracy, as long as people can be persuaded that it's in their interests to bow down to that particular set of ideas.

00:51:43.000 And this is an advancing trend in our society.

00:51:46.000 A new technology is being deployed to use it.

00:51:49.000 And although Social media are very helpful in getting alternative voices out.

00:51:55.000 They're also used in the opposite way as well.

00:51:59.000 It was very interesting, the social media response to my shows has been The audience reaction, pretty positive.

00:52:09.000 And then an organised team come in and start planting comets.

00:52:14.000 And then I begin to realise that they're an organised team when they have different names but they use all the same words.

00:52:19.000 It's not even that clever, you know.

00:52:22.000 But it's there.

00:52:22.000 It's happening.

00:52:24.000 And this is part of an overall process in our society to actually make us less free while convincing us that we're completely free.

00:52:30.000 I think that's beautifully put, Graham.

00:52:32.000 Now, one of the advantages that we offer to our locals community was the ability to attend this live event.

00:52:38.000 Join our locals community right now and you too could be in this audience listening to us going on and on and on about how there's got to be a revolution.

00:52:45.000 I'm looking at some of the comments online there.

00:52:48.000 Someone just quoted Malcolm X. They send the drugs down to Harlem to keep us docile and easy to control.

00:52:56.000 We don't have free choice exactly.

00:52:58.000 Some wonderful stuff in the comments, but we said at the beginning here that we would take some questions from people in the room.

00:53:04.000 I'm assuming that those questions have been set up, and let's hear some questions from the audience now.

00:53:12.000 Who wants to ask a question?

00:53:14.000 Ah, there's you there.

00:53:15.000 You've not been pre-organized.

00:53:17.000 We'll do you afterwards, because just to show that unlike the mainstream, we're willing to...

00:53:22.000 We don't have to do this stuff live.

00:53:23.000 We don't need everything to be prescriptive.

00:53:25.000 But there is a man at the back holding a mic now.

00:53:28.000 Have you got a shot of him?

00:53:29.000 Hi, it's Ross.

00:53:31.000 Graeme, before my question, I'd just like to say thank you for dedicating your life to raising awareness about our past.

00:53:38.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:53:39.000 saying that. That's really kind of you to say that.

00:53:46.000 Yeah, it's been a 30-plus year journey for me of constant engagement in this issue, and it touches my heart when I hear what you've just said.

00:53:56.000 Cheers.

00:53:56.000 Thank you for that.

00:53:58.000 So, you've mentioned at the beginning, June, October, the Torrid Shower, and that each time that happens, our odds of being hit are much increased.

00:54:09.000 Yeah.

00:54:10.000 In your latest episode on Mr Rogan's podcast, you mentioned that we're going into a period of heightened activity for the meteor shower.

00:54:19.000 That's correct.

00:54:20.000 When I tried to learn more about that, the year that keeps coming up is 2032.

00:54:23.000 Yeah.

00:54:24.000 So do you think we're going to have a bad day then?

00:54:27.000 Well, the thing about the Tauride meteor stream, it's 30 million kilometres wide.

00:54:33.000 This is a big stream of debris.

00:54:35.000 A lot of the debris is quite small and not particularly dangerous.

00:54:40.000 Most of it will burn up in the Earth's atmosphere.

00:54:41.000 But there are filaments of debris which contain lumpy large objects.

00:54:47.000 There's objects in the Taurid meteor stream that are five kilometres in diameter.

00:54:51.000 One of them is called Comet Enki.

00:54:54.000 Actually, it's a fragment of that original comet that broke up.

00:54:59.000 When it entered the inner solar system, there's Rudniki, there's Ojato, there's a whole number of large objects in the Taurid meteor stream.

00:55:07.000 and the calculations of the astronomers is that within the next 25 years we are going

00:55:12.000 to be going, certainly 30 years, we are going to be going through the lumpy bits of the

00:55:17.000 Taurid meteor stream rather than the less lumpy bits and that we are therefore entering

00:55:22.000 a time of greater risk regarding the Taurid meteor stream.

00:55:27.000 I think it's important to be clear that there's no need for gloom and doom around this. It's

00:55:36.000 a matter of choice for our civilisation, what we do with the hazards and risks that our

00:55:44.000 home environment faces.

00:55:47.000 We can choose to go on spending billions or trillions of dollars on the mechanisms of warfare.

00:55:53.000 We can constantly reinforce our military powers and spend vast amounts of money on that.

00:56:02.000 A tiny fraction of what's been spent on the wars over the last 20 years would be all that's needed to sweep the Taurid meteor stream clear and to allow the Earth safety there.

00:56:14.000 But it's a question of the priorities.

00:56:16.000 When are the decisions made to do that?

00:56:20.000 And right now those decisions don't seem to be being made, unfortunately.

00:56:24.000 Fantastic answer, Graham.

00:56:26.000 There's a comment here from someone watching on the local stream, which you can do if you join up.

00:56:26.000 Thank you very much.

00:56:30.000 Dave Land 3D.

00:56:31.000 Globalism is a plague upon humanity.

00:56:33.000 Localism is the only sustainable solution.

00:56:37.000 That's a fantastic comment.

00:56:38.000 And new political systems are certainly going to be a part of averting the tragedies that could befall us.

00:56:46.000 What's the next question?

00:56:48.000 Have we got someone lined up or are we doing it for real?

00:56:51.000 Alright mate, this guy.

00:56:53.000 Tell us your name and your question mate, after Subi kindly gives you the microphone.

00:56:58.000 Hi Dan, I'm Connor.

00:56:58.000 Thank you.

00:57:00.000 My question is, obviously you spoke about the LiDAR technologies and the marine archaeology.

00:57:00.000 Hi Connor.

00:57:05.000 What do you think it's going to take for Whoever the powers that be, whoever they are, to start really working on that.

00:57:12.000 Who will start that?

00:57:14.000 First and foremost, it'll take money.

00:57:16.000 There's a team right now in the Amazon on very limited resources who are doing LiDAR surveys in a small corner of southwestern Brazil.

00:57:24.000 But what's fundamentally needed is money.

00:57:26.000 Weirdly, from time to time, I get approached by billionaires.

00:57:30.000 Who've read my books.

00:57:32.000 And they say to me, they say to me, would I come for lunch?

00:57:35.000 And I say, all right.

00:57:37.000 And then they say, and then they say, is there any particular project, you know, that we could put money into which would be really useful?

00:57:44.000 And what I always say is put money into the LiDAR service in the Amazon.

00:57:48.000 And what they always say is no.

00:57:51.000 They want to explore something else, something other.

00:57:54.000 To me, that's the top priority.

00:57:56.000 That's what needs to be done first.

00:57:58.000 And secondly, or a close parallel, is the investigation of the continental shelves.

00:58:04.000 All it takes is money.

00:58:05.000 The money needs to be applied.

00:58:07.000 The technology needs to be made available.

00:58:10.000 And hopefully one day, Some billionaire will call me up who's actually willing to put his money where his mouth is and invest in these projects.

00:58:19.000 Don't start talking about where they're going to put their mouths, Graham.

00:58:21.000 It's already a suspicious story about you and some billionaires.

00:58:26.000 Graham, why in particular?

00:58:27.000 What is it?

00:58:29.000 That's exciting about those two particular projects.

00:58:31.000 When I listen to you, one of the things that most excites me is the idea that we as a human species could be embarking on these great cosmic, psychedelic, archaeological journeys, learning new things about ourselves and one another, that we could expand the vision of humanity instead of contracting it all the time.

00:58:48.000 I know that you Your current enthusiasm, as you've explained it thus far in this conversation, is because they are simply unexplored territories that may yield stuff.

00:58:55.000 But recognising that this is speculation, what is it in particular that excites you about those regions?

00:59:02.000 Well, it's precisely because they're unexplored and because the initial exploration that's being done is revealing intriguing evidence.

00:59:10.000 I mentioned the Sahara Desert.

00:59:14.000 One subject that I've explored quite a bit over the years is ancient maps.

00:59:18.000 Which were often copied in the Middle Ages and put onto revised versions of those maps.

00:59:26.000 And so maps from say the 1400s include information from much older source maps that are now lost.

00:59:35.000 And many of those maps show a green and fertile Sahara.

00:59:38.000 They show a river channel running through the Sahara where recent surveys have absolutely identified a river channel did used to run during the Ice Age.

00:59:46.000 Suggests to me strongly that somebody was mapping the world during the last Ice Age.

00:59:51.000 What excites me isn't So much the history of artefacts.

00:59:56.000 It's the history of ideas.

00:59:58.000 It's the way that ideas pass down from culture to culture, transfer, transmit.

01:00:03.000 And the possibility of a very different kind of civilisation.

01:00:07.000 The way that we have steered our civilisation over the past couple of thousand years.

01:00:16.000 Yes, there's some positive aspects to it, but there's also some very negative aspects to it.

01:00:19.000 But we don't have anywhere else to look for an alternative model.

01:00:23.000 And I think the fact that I do regard us as a species with amnesia, that we have forgotten something incredibly important in our own past, and that's part of our disconnection today.

01:00:35.000 I think the possibility is encountering a whole system of ideas which is very different from our own, and who knows, maybe even evidence of telepathy and telekinesis, which would completely destructure the existing laws of physics.

01:00:49.000 Thank you all of you for your questions.

01:00:52.000 Graeme, do you remember when we met that time in the Utah desert at some sort of tented event where I feel like everyone else except me was allowed to take psychedelics?

01:01:03.000 And was taking them, and you were?

01:01:05.000 Yeah, I was.

01:01:06.000 I thought so!

01:01:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:07.000 And I still do.

01:01:08.000 You seemed very relaxed, like you were staring into another dimension.

01:01:13.000 I've not taken a psychedelic for a while.

01:01:15.000 I've had a lot of experience with ayahuasca, maybe 75 journeys with ayahuasca since 2003.

01:01:21.000 I'm not rushing to have another one.

01:01:25.000 Ayahuasca is a physical ordeal and it can be an emotional and mental ordeal as well.

01:01:31.000 But I found it very helpful in recognising my own baggage.

01:01:36.000 By the way, there's no question of anybody becoming addicted to Ayahuasca.

01:01:40.000 It's such a horrible thing to drink.

01:01:43.000 The vomiting, the diarrhea.

01:01:44.000 You've got to brace yourself for an ayahuasca journey.

01:01:48.000 So I feel I benefit from it.

01:01:49.000 I drink Listerine if I have to.

01:01:52.000 I drink anything.

01:01:53.000 Petrol.

01:01:54.000 Perfume.

01:01:55.000 Like, I mean, if you've got a junkie mentality, you will drink. 1.00

01:01:59.000 And all drugs, done properly, will make you shit and piss yourself and vomit. 1.00

01:02:03.000 You just have to push through that. 0.99

01:02:06.000 Well, I actually do have quite an addictive personality and thus I've never... Yeah, that's why you've done it 75 times.

01:02:13.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

01:02:15.000 That was last week.

01:02:16.000 I was at lunch with a billionaire.

01:02:18.000 I had to stop and do a bit of ayahuasca.

01:02:20.000 Put your money where your mouth is.

01:02:25.000 Yeah, I've actually forgotten what I was going to say next. 0.97

01:02:28.000 Because I got you with the silliness!

01:02:30.000 You knew I was going to bust it out at some point.

01:02:31.000 Look at the cardigan.

01:02:32.000 Yeah, no, the point I wanted to make is...

01:02:37.000 To hear this on Censored, watch on Rumble.

01:02:40.000 Only on Rumble, Censored.

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01:02:44.000 Some of the psychedelics now are proving so effective in getting people out of long-term depression.

01:02:48.000 What is long, psilocybin in particular, what is long-term depression except a fixed mindset where you circle around again and again and again on the same miseries that are afflicting you?

01:02:59.000 And what the psilocybin seems to do, and there's good science on this now, is it just frees the mind up a little bit.

01:03:05.000 It allows those tight connections to be loosened up, and you can step out of depression.

01:03:12.000 Fantastic results in people with depression, which big pharma drugs are not achieving.

01:03:16.000 Seroxat and Prozac are horrible, horrible drugs.

01:03:19.000 The SSRIs, they're awful drugs, and I know that because I had an episode of depression, and in that episode I was on Prozac and Seroxat, and they nearly killed me.

01:03:27.000 They are horrible, horrible things.

01:03:29.000 So I'm very intrigued by the way that these demonised substances called psychedelics are proving themselves as effective antidotes to depression, are helping people with post-traumatic stress disorder.

01:03:40.000 This is very important work that's being done.

01:03:43.000 And it tells us we're not dealing with an addictive class of substances here.

01:03:47.000 We're dealing with a class of substances that challenge us.

01:03:49.000 Because having our mindset suddenly challenged is a very demanding thing.

01:03:53.000 And that's why I say For me the most important issue with psychedelics has been coming face to face with my own baggage. 0.99

01:04:00.000 That those words that I said to that other person two weeks ago, which I felt were totally justified and he absolutely deserved, actually I was behaving like a piece of shit. 0.98

01:04:11.000 And I made him feel miserable and I should never have done that. 0.93

01:04:14.000 And it's made me address issues like my... I have a problem with anger.

01:04:16.000 I get angry very quickly.

01:04:18.000 I've seen you!

01:04:19.000 And it's made me address issues like that and try not to do that.

01:04:23.000 I may feel it inside but I don't want to manifest it in my behaviour.

01:04:27.000 I actually obviously have no option but to concur because I don't want you getting all riled up.

01:04:32.000 But also, like, I want to say that even when you say that the class of psychedelics demonstrates no addictive component, in fact I would obviously not dispute that nor be in a position to refute it.

01:04:43.000 It's just that I think the addiction takes place within the addict.

01:04:47.000 Not within the substance.

01:04:48.000 So if you have that proclivity, like for me, I get addicted to anything.

01:04:53.000 I just want more.

01:04:55.000 Like for me, it's like life.

01:04:56.000 It's just, I love it.

01:04:57.000 It's wonderful, but it's just not enough.

01:04:59.000 I need more of it.

01:05:00.000 I need more of it.

01:05:01.000 Put it in my ears. 0.99

01:05:02.000 Stick it up my bum. 0.99

01:05:03.000 More life, more experience, you know? 0.96

01:05:05.000 So like that, that's what it is.

01:05:06.000 But believe me, there's no one in this room, I bet, that wants to take psychedelics more fervidly than I.

01:05:11.000 I really do.

01:05:12.000 Almost every interview I do, I try and invite like you, Joe Rogan, I'm always sort of subtly trying to gabble matte, trying to essentially get an inventory of people that say, I can take academics now so that I can show people in my 12-step recovery, look, these people have said I can take drugs and the people in 12-step recovery go, no, because you ruin your life like you've ruined ours.

01:05:34.000 So I think it's an ongoing conversation.

01:05:36.000 My advice to anybody To hear this on Censored, watch on Rumble.

01:05:42.000 Only on Rumble, Censored.

01:05:43.000 Only on Rumble, Censored.

01:05:45.000 We have forgotten how to have elders.

01:05:48.000 We have forgotten how to integrate, how to run a democratic tribal society, much as we evolved for for hundreds of thousands of years.

01:05:55.000 Who knows?

01:05:56.000 Who dare to query or question?

01:05:58.000 And, you know, psychedelics and ceremony and an ongoing acknowledgement of the sacred is sort of part, is part of that, a significant and crucial part of that.

01:06:07.000 Very much so, yeah.

01:06:08.000 I'm so glad that we got to have this conversation and I'm very glad too Graham that we got to have it in front of a live audience so that you could feel some of the appreciation and love and respect that people have for you for your work and that when you're enduring the attacks and the criticism feeling all riled up and angry being a racist in a mixed-race family it must be confusing That you know that people really respect and revere your work and people love you.

01:06:36.000 For the room, round of applause for Graham Hancock, please, everyone.

01:06:39.000 Thank you.

01:06:43.000 Thank you for watching us.

01:06:45.000 You can.

01:06:46.000 If you go to GrahamHancock.com you can get tickets to see Graham next week and obviously you can learn more about his work.

01:06:51.000 It's on the events page on my website.

01:06:53.000 It's on the events page on Graham's website.

01:06:55.000 And it'll give you a link where you can get tickets.

01:06:56.000 I'm not selling the tickets.

01:06:57.000 What do you want us to do?

01:06:58.000 Just sort of talk our way through?

01:06:59.000 Do you want to do it on the internet?

01:07:00.000 Right, sit down now.

01:07:01.000 It's not for my nan.

01:07:03.000 These are young kids doing it.

01:07:04.000 It's a big website.

01:07:04.000 Right, Nan, pick up your remote control.

01:07:07.000 No, that's Ceefax!

01:07:08.000 What's wrong with you, woman? 1.00

01:07:10.000 Joy, so you can get tickets to Graham's event starting at Graham Hancock's website, but going on a long, shamanic journey.

01:07:17.000 A long journey.

01:07:18.000 Where you'll meet Quetzalcoatl, who will show you that in the forbidden realm of the hieroglyphs, there's a ticket available to you.

01:07:25.000 As well as all of Graham's fantastic writing.

01:07:29.000 Join us on the show next week when I'll be speaking to Matt Taibbi, Callie Means, and Crystal Ball, among others.

01:07:34.000 If you want to see my stand-up special, Brandemic, where I talk about the kind of subjects we've been talking about today in a humorous setting, you get it free if you're a member of Locals, which you can join one click away.

01:07:45.000 The link is in the description.

01:07:47.000 See you next week, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - March 24, 2023

Graham Hancock (The Propaganda War)

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