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00:01:28.000Because I suppose you would have once been, given that I first saw you on Fox News, associated with, you know, we all know what we associate Fox News with.
00:03:20.000You don't look like an anus and I'd like to take this opportunity to unreservedly apologize to you for being rude and I think what the videos were it was when Bill O'Reilly was the most prominent Fox News voice and I used to I think do little videos commenting on Bill O'Reilly's content but Also, the same way that I've always done with, let's call them Fox-style pundits, over time and while watching them, developing a kind of affection, because I'm old enough to recall that when a family would contain people that were of the left and of the right, and that wouldn't be cause for actual hatred and condemnation.
00:04:01.000You wouldn't refer to people who had different political views as a basket of deplorables.
00:04:06.000You wouldn't say that half of the population shouldn't be allowed to vote or should be debugged.
00:04:11.000You wouldn't escalate a kind of a populist demagogue to the sort of heights of a 20th century military dictator.
00:04:19.000Everything has become more incendiary, more conflagratory, I would say.
00:04:26.000So it's like then, even 10 years ago, when we were first communicating, albeit through aggressive hit pieces on one another, the world was Less filled with invective and something has become concentrated and amplified, Greg, hasn't it?
00:04:45.000I mean you could trace it back to the phrase political correctness because that used to be a positive attribute in the sense that I'm morally superior to you and you have to reach this point but then I keep getting higher and then that turned into Well, the political became so personal, and you were supposed to keep it separate.
00:05:05.000Like when you talk about family gatherings, you could have Bill O'Reilly as your uncle, and I could be your nephew, and it didn't really matter, and you would sit at the table, and your Uncle Bill would spout about immigrants, and you would be whatever, and then you would move on to sports.
00:05:22.000But in this case, now everything is a moral judgment I can't sit at the same table with that person.
00:05:28.000And then that escalated to, this person is evil and I have to cut that person out of my life.
00:05:36.000And I think that's kind of what we're seeing now, especially in this hyper-woke thing.
00:05:42.000It's like, we cannot have a discussion, period.
00:05:46.000And in fact, the discussion lends itself to oppression.
00:05:50.000Just merely questioning something is an attack.
00:05:55.000But the response, I think there's a really positive thing going on.
00:06:00.000The response of mockery and humor is taking that away because even Bill Maher noticed it.
00:06:06.000They're no longer funny because of this moral hysteria.
00:06:12.000And so all of their targets now, it's flipped.
00:06:16.000It's now like the radicals are, I wouldn't say on the right, but libertarian, free thinking, Yeah.
00:06:31.000I heard the brilliant comedian Duncan Trussell say once, people have gone from woo to cue.
00:06:38.000Like people that were previously kind of into meditation and psychedelics have become very anti-establishment now.
00:06:47.000There's this entirely new demographic.
00:06:49.000And the other aspect of this is this I would say it's a media construct and potentially a movement with academia, certainly that would be the analysis of people who know more than me like Jordan Peterson or Weinstein or whatever.
00:07:12.000It seems that At least when it comes to the political and media class of this sort of neo-liberal, let's call it woke again just for simplicity's sake, it doesn't seem that authentic.
00:07:26.000What I question is how much they actually do care about the rights of people with different types of sexual identity or how much they actually do care about different races, cultural groups, It doesn't make sense because ultimately I think we all know that these kind of apparently neoliberal but self-regarding leftist thinkers and orators are ultimately undergirded by the same financial and corporate interests
00:07:54.000It's still the military-industrial complex.
00:07:58.000So whenever you see... That's why it becomes deeply hypocritical in times of war and health crisis.
00:08:02.000Because ultimately they will advocate for the interests of the pharmaceutical companies when in a health crisis, notably and obviously the pandemic.
00:08:09.000In a war, all of the peace and love language sort of melts away and is replaced by the kind of patriotic language that totally would have belonged to the Republicans of the, you know, in the Iraq war period.
00:08:22.000your Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld language of like, you know, it's not patriotic to talk like that.
00:08:27.000You're going to allow Putin, Putin will be marching on NATO countries. Like you say,
00:08:32.000Greg, everything has flipped. And the part of the reason it's flipped is because there was no
00:08:35.000moral, certain moral values there in the bloody first place.
00:08:39.000Yeah, you know, it's interesting to see, like, Ukraine's the best example, I think of this,
00:08:48.000is to see people that were so anti-war accuse you of not being a patriot.
00:08:55.000If you aren't supporting Ukraine and it's like it's not even our country.
00:09:00.000I always look over there and see that it's a fight among relatives.
00:09:04.000These are these are countries very and we're and we somehow I think the United States is almost like a next door neighbor or a relative that's egging it on and and for our own reasons for the for to like.
00:09:16.000I can't remember who it was, the Secretary of State saying, like, the good news is we're getting billions of dollars into our country.
00:09:24.000And he was talking about the upside of war is that we make profits off war.
00:09:30.000No one really has ever said that out loud.
00:09:33.000I don't even know if he even, Anthony, what's his, Blinken.
00:09:48.000But I want to touch on something you said, and this is going to be a generalization, but I don't care.
00:09:54.000I do think the reason why it's to me it's inauthentic is I do think and maybe this is like a Jordan Peterson-y thing, kind of, but there's an empty hole.
00:10:04.000When you see a lot of The really strident voices.
00:10:08.000There is something missing in their lives, and they fill that bucket up with this kind of purpose, which really isn't a purpose.
00:10:21.000It's just where they place their emotional meaning for attention, so they get the attention For whatever screaming they're doing, and I think at the end of the day, they're not really happy people.
00:10:40.000They haven't found peace in their lives, in their family life, and it might not even be their fault.
00:10:47.000It could be our society has created a weird environment where some people can't find meaning anymore and are lost.
00:10:58.000And so they put it in these, well, the false idols of politics.
00:11:01.000I mean, politics becomes their religion, but the only problem with their religion is that there's no forgiveness.
00:11:13.000If you violate the original sin of oppression, your ancestors are guilty.
00:11:21.000Whether it's Jews or it's whites in the United States, there's no forgiveness.
00:11:27.000So you constantly have to take on the role of oppressor.
00:11:31.000It is a religion without confession or without forgiveness.
00:11:36.000But I think people treat it as a religion Until maybe, I hope that, like, there's so many young people that are into this kind of phase, and I can't help but think it's filling up something in their lives that isn't being filled by other things.
00:11:57.000I think a lot of these people do not have relationships in their lives, people they can talk to.
00:12:03.000Because, like, a friend would tell you, You know, Greg, you shouldn't be sticking, you shouldn't be gluing your hands to a painting, or you shouldn't, why are you blocking traffic of people who are trying to get to work?
00:12:14.000Friends would actually say that to you, but it seems like that's missing in people's lives.
00:12:19.000You need somebody to tell you you're being an idiot, even though they say, I admire the cause, but you know that in Gaza, they don't care if you're blocking traffic.
00:12:30.000Yes it does and I have some thoughts on that as you might imagine Greg.
00:12:34.000Just because I don't know anything about a subject that doesn't mean I won't have an opinion on it.
00:12:38.000I think it's a kind of natural end point to obsessive individualism.
00:12:43.000The kind of culturally immersive narcissism that of course by its nature we must all fall to a degree prey to and I would say that part of my own journey is my own wrestling with That kind of locked-in solipsism as if you're wearing an Oculus or some VR helmet where you're just obsessed continually with self.
00:13:06.000If a culture stripped of God, stripped of community, stripped of patriotism, stripped of failure, of a family, offers you only as the only sort of the optimal experience is self-fulfillment, You fulfill your own sexual identity, your own gender identity, your own cultural or racial identity.
00:13:24.000These are all beautiful and noble ideas.
00:13:28.000I always take recourse to, like, you know, like to ethnographics and anthropology and think, well, how did we live for tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of years?
00:13:36.000Small groups of a hundred or two hundred people that You know, would have interacted with other tribal groups, perhaps through trade, perhaps sometimes through warfare.
00:13:46.000But there's nothing in our evolution that has prepared us to be confronted with a variety of cultures and being told that that culture is adverse to us.
00:13:54.000This is something that was written about extensively, notably by Edward Said, who, like, in his book, what was that called?
00:14:00.000Orientalism, sort of pointed out how the West was condemnatory of, like, Eastern culture, and the post-Ottoman empire, Islamic culture,
00:14:10.000that we assumed that our cultural trajectory was better and he, as a sort of a Muslim living in the West, said,
00:14:15.000"Well, there's different perspectives.
00:14:17.000We're not allowing people to have a different perspective on reality."
00:14:20.000We've reached the point now where people are happy to say there's no such thing as God.
00:14:30.000Lewis, the rationalism that we use to posit that there can be no God is itself evolved from a godless set of meaningless processes.
00:14:43.000A set of random processes led to a consciousness that is able to ascertain that there is no meaning and no purpose in the world.
00:14:51.000And I think that when you live in a world where all that matters is the fulfilment of your own desires, the avoidance of your own fears, you end up with these odd cultural movements and artefacts which, as you say, take on the practices, aesthetics and appearance of a religion.
00:15:09.000Zeal, evangelism, certainty, but without the important valves and checks that are embedded in religions to ensure that we don't regard one's individual identity as the summit and apex of all potential experience.
00:15:27.000All of us are temporal expressions of something greater, and that can be used to mobilize people to fight for a nation.
00:15:36.000That can be used to turn people into racists.
00:15:40.000That can be used for a whole variety of things.
00:15:42.000But what it could be better utilised for is our life should be dedicated to service and when inevitably, because of biology and because of cultural conditioning, we start thinking the only thing that matters is what Russell wants, this is a time to start employing some principles to get myself out of that illusion.
00:15:59.000But no one will do that now because galvanised Evangelical, awakened people are a threat to the globalist establishment elites that are able to implement their goals and agenda because of this disparate and atomised population.
00:16:50.000I clinged on to things That as almost like as identity markers.
00:16:56.000And you can kind of see that now because you can see it as a contagion, at least in the United States, where young women and like they were doing studies where they now identify as non-binary as though it's like doubling every year.
00:17:11.000And it becomes like a costume because they are rejecting whatever was there before.
00:17:18.000And I there's a this there's a theory from G.K.
00:17:23.000It's called I think it's called the fence.
00:17:26.000It's like, don't tear down a fence until you know why it was there in the first place.
00:17:31.000And I think what we're seeing with this kind of regressive progressivism is we're tearing down all these fences without ever understanding why they were necessary.
00:17:40.000So it was easy as a 17 year old to make fun of religion.
00:17:45.000To make fun of your relatives or any kind of traditional stuff was a joke.
00:18:36.000And the idea of cooperation and assimilation means that you're giving in to the oppressor, even being Like, even trusting somebody who's trying to help you is seen as oppression.
00:18:50.000I mean, that is a new thing that I'm seeing.
00:18:54.000Like, you know, you can't trust a white person because they're white.
00:18:58.000And it's like, you do realize that, you know, white people, like anybody else, are here to help.
00:19:04.000Generally, they're like, it's hard to find anybody.
00:19:08.000I mean, most people just want to help.
00:19:11.000But we're saying that that's not That's there's an underlying oppression going on.
00:19:18.000And then I think the melting pot idea is under threat.
00:19:22.000And it kind of scares me because that's the only thing that really holds us together is the idea of communication, cooperation, the idea of helping others.
00:19:31.000You know, and in what you're talking about, too, is kind of like The most dangerous thing is one's ego, feeding that ego.
00:19:41.000And I mean, I was one of those people.
00:19:44.000And the moment you let go of that, it's probably the most freeing thing anybody can do in their lives, is to let go of that ego and look outward.
00:19:55.000And all of a sudden, these identity markers kind of float away.
00:19:59.000And you suddenly see that everybody is basically in the same boat.
00:20:21.000I suppose that only a maniac would deny that there was not a vast project of colonialism and imperialism that exploited, killed, enslaved hundreds of thousands, millions, millions of people.
00:20:37.000But similarly, only a lunatic or a fool would believe that the best way to navigate and placate the legacy of that would be through globalist conglomerates and global organisations and corporations.
00:20:56.000So the utilization of these kind of ideas through massive corporations and global NGOs
00:21:06.000suggests to me that the agenda is not about individual freedom,
00:21:37.000He's got his own news network or his own channel, certainly, and his own relationship with X and social media.
00:21:44.000As a person that works within Fox, I saw and we talked about the bit, and that's when I called you in fact, Greg, when you said about, I have two words for you, Tucker Carlson.
00:21:55.000Corporate interests will censor voices that are anti-war or anti-pharma or antithetical to their interests.
00:22:05.000Tell me now what you think Tucker Carlson's time at Fox exemplifies and what his departure from Fox means without getting yourself in trouble because I realize you've got a job.
00:22:15.000Yeah, what I was referring to and it's common knowledge and he's talked about it is that galvanizing advertisers against you over time is meant to destroy you.
00:22:31.000It's meant to censor you and I think that there was This was building and building and it was, you know, Media Matters and other groups had targeted him.
00:22:41.000And that's where I said, like, you know, I think when I was talking about two words, I was talking about that's what happened to Tucker over time.
00:22:48.000You know, they just wore it down and for him to survive and everybody who is, I would say, interesting.
00:23:00.000Has a an original point of view for them to survive.
00:23:06.000It has to be untethered from advertising.
00:23:09.000It has to be because advertisers are now the sensors and they're not they're not they're not brave.
00:23:18.000I think this goes back to what we were talking about, this kind of the woke-ism.
00:23:22.000They embraced the woke-ism kind of as a Trojan horse to protect themselves from their profit-making, their rent-seeking.
00:23:30.000They can point to the fact that, look, we have DEI, we have equity hires, we're good, we have these special days in our company.
00:23:40.000But meanwhile, they're doing exactly what a corporation does, which is the bottom line, to grow Their influence and their power.
00:23:48.000And I think Tucker has said this, so it's not just my opinion.
00:24:53.000They don't want to be near the editorial that the customer likes because somehow we're Neanderthals.
00:25:01.000And that was true when I was at Maxim.
00:25:03.000It was true when I was at Men's Health.
00:25:05.000The stuff that sold the magazine Advertisers hated.
00:25:09.000So you ended up with magazines like GQ or Esquire, which nobody read, but were this thick, filled with advertising, because that's what it was.
00:25:18.000And I think you see that in broadcasting, that those with the most advertising tend to have the emptiest editorial.
00:25:31.000And once you get interesting, or you dare to get outside this circle, then it flips on you, and then they come after you.
00:25:40.000And I think that's why, so Russell, Tucker going and creating his own network, what you are doing on Rumble, what Dave Rubin is doing, what Joe Rogan is doing, what the Weinsteins are doing, that's like creating this whole new world where people can go and create their own thing.
00:25:59.000Get their own subscriber base and make a living in a career without having to think about upsetting a soap company, you know, or a shoe company.
00:26:10.000Meanwhile, the shoe company is having shoes made by, you know, 12 year olds, but they're lecturing you on diversity and equity.
00:26:44.000Like, some of these drugs, you're like, are there really a lot of schizophrenics Like, you know, I mean, they'll do a drug for like a very specific kind.
00:26:52.000I'm going, are they, is a schizophrenic watching this show and going, ah, I don't know if that's the case.
00:26:59.000I just think it's there as a presence to say, hey, we're here.
00:27:09.000Yeah, it's extraordinary the way those models must function for there to be a constant ambient presence.
00:27:18.000I understand the cable news is, and I'll check the figure at some point, is 70% funded by Pfizer, not even Big Pharma.
00:27:25.000Pfizer specifically funds, I believe, 70% of cable news and we're all familiar with that package where it's sponsored by Yes, you're right.
00:27:38.000Their pressure can't be the bespoke amplification of a certain product.
00:27:43.000It's not telling a marketplace, hey, if your skin is schizophrenic, this is available for you.
00:27:52.000It's become somehow more immersive than that.
00:27:53.000We were just doing a piece on Google buying up real estate and creating company towns now, like a project that's You know, I've been tried before with Disney and, curiously, chocolate companies.
00:28:05.000But the power of the corporation is becoming deeply immersive.
00:28:08.000And Greg, within that, you touched upon something while talking about Tucker and talking about the relationship between advertisers and broadcasters, which is fundamentally the dynamic that is shifting with the emergence of independent media.
00:28:19.000That I think is significant that both the marketing class and the professional journalist class, I might say, hate ordinary people.
00:28:30.000And I feel this antipathy, and I spoke to Greenwald about it, that other great GG in the public space, Glenn Greenwald, and he said that You know, that the establishment now is no longer sort of masking its disdain for ordinary people.
00:28:45.000That they sense that through media control, through censorship laws, through increasing authoritarianism justified by crisis, they don't need to be like a Rockefeller tossing dollar bills out of a passing limo to maintain some plutocrat mystique and affability with ordinary people.
00:29:04.000Now they're just like we are going to have so much power you know after the next set of wars or the next pandemic or whatever the next thing's going to be that legitimizes more authoritarianism that there's no need for to maintain good public relations.
00:29:18.000I think too that You know, as a person that's been like with what's happened to me recently and sort of over the past few years, as you sort of gently migrate out of like, oh, you know, like, you know, like there comes a point where I feel, oh, I ain't going on those talk shows no more.
00:29:33.000I'm not going to be doing movies anymore.
00:29:37.000And I gained in confidence and started to criticize war, started to criticize pharma,
00:29:43.000started to attack more and more, recognizing I have direct access to an audience.
00:29:47.000And one of the things I've noticed having been the subject to incredible attacks
00:29:51.000and what seemed to me to be a coordinated media attack where separate media companies explicitly work together
00:29:57.000over several years to generate anonymized complaints and allegations, and then there was a sort of
00:30:04.000a global two week period where like it was very, very concentrated and it seemed to me at least
00:30:10.000very deliberate to be able to observe, oh wow, there's a point where they will just attack you
00:30:52.000And then you go outside and maybe you might casually mention it to somebody and they have no idea what you're talking about.
00:30:59.000Like, don't, I will say something on the five and it will explode.
00:31:03.000And then I, and, uh, and then, you know, my people at work will be like, oh my God, you see what's, and then, but if you go anywhere, nobody knows what you're talking about.
00:31:11.000Think about what happened to you, but think about, I hate to use the word weaponization because it's overused, but the weaponization of wokeism.
00:31:22.000So it's like, so-and-so said this, so-and-so did this in the past, becomes investigative journalism.
00:31:29.000Whereas before, like you had the Woodwards and the Bernsteins.
00:31:33.000There are a few people now, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger.
00:31:39.000These are guys that are actually doing real journalism, but they're being ignored by the conventional mainstream media, which has decided That the weaponized woke angle, so-and-so, said this about immigration, ergo racist, or any, pick any, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and that, and it's such an easy story to write.
00:32:03.000It's like, you can, you can take a dartboard, or actually you can take a grid, and on one side you can go climate, economics, politics, fashion, Food, comedy, and then on this other grid you could have race, racism, homophobia, feminism, and then you could throw a dart.
00:32:23.000And this is what journalists do, and they find a cross-section clothing, is transphobic.
00:32:38.000They don't have to do any like, they don't have to be like a reporter and go out and actually talk to somebody with a notebook.
00:32:46.000This is now what journalism has become.
00:32:48.000And so what happens is, how does that end up being Dangerous.
00:32:52.000They focus it not on just like people like you, but just regular people, the people they hate.
00:32:58.000So if somebody on Twitter, some nobody, a plumber decides he's pro-Trump, Then somebody will pick up that tweet, go, does American Plumbing Supply realize that Joe Stevens actually said, make America great again, and they CC the company.
00:33:18.000And then that guy gets swarmed, or this bakery had a, you know, a menorah.
00:34:25.000It's not just clipping, but it's weaponized wokeism to shut people up.
00:34:33.000And it's disguised, however, as journalism when it's not.
00:34:38.000I heard the phrase vendetta journalism recently applied to I think it might have been the case between the the royal family and the tabloids of 10 years ago or so in my country here and it's also clear that You know, you sort of talked about Bernstein and Woodward, that there's very little journalism where, for example, you can watch the reporting in the pandemic, the propaganda that accompanied the advent and release of the vaccines, the censorship around legitimate questions, the shaming of people
00:36:00.000That is a sort of a pretty common trope, certainly in the last couple of thousand years.
00:36:05.000Indeed, one could argue that even within, you know, Christianity has the apocalypse, the rapture, or many religions appear to have this sort of end time as part of their, you know, part of the paradigm.
00:36:17.000But when there is, like, all of those things tend to point A journey of self-evaluation, a recognition that the pursuit of animalism and animal desires cannot of itself form your way of life.
00:36:34.000And I would say that that is precisely at the core of modern neoliberalism.
00:36:39.000The fulfillment of your desires, the avoidance of your fears and the potential to be threatened is your raison d'etre.
00:36:47.000You are worth it if you want to Be this type of person, you should be that type of person.
00:36:51.000And these are things that I can easily agree to with a wave of a hand.
00:36:55.000Of course, I agree with individual liberty, whether it's the issues that define the right or the issues that define the left, because I agree with individual liberty.
00:37:04.000But I don't think that that is the apex of the human experience, because I've tried it.
00:37:18.000And indeed, when part of the message becomes, these things won't work for you, find a higher purpose, knowing that you will never be able to live it perfectly because you are still subject to the same kind of shackles that any human being is, that's when you start to become a threat.
00:37:36.000Yeah, and not to get too... Well, I've noticed when people go through that journey and come out of it, they're much less judgmental politically, and they're more resistant to getting involved in this prison of two ideas, whether it's about climate or Any kind of issue where you think there are two sides, and you have to get into one pocket or this one, and that's it.
00:38:23.000And there are other people, it's kind of like the floating above this or to the outside of it and can see what this actually is, which is a diversion from actually solving the bigger problem.
00:38:41.000And I mean, I was in that prison of two ideas.
00:38:44.000A good example would be, you're talking about the apocalyptic ideologies.
00:38:52.000Climate change, because of the apocalyptic warnings, created the prison of two ideas.
00:39:01.000I was on the other side, that this was all bogus and a hoax.
00:39:05.000But that's not necessarily the best place to be, because you should care about the environment.
00:39:44.000That's why I kind of like RFK has said some things that sounded apocalyptic, but I think he's changed.
00:39:52.000I think that when I listen to him, he's a true environmentalist without being reliant on climate, on like Inaccurate climate models.
00:40:02.000He just talks about the stuff that he knows, that he's been through, you know, he's been, you know, from the beginning in environment, he's somebody I can listen to.
00:40:16.000Like there were people that used to say that if you were skeptic, if you were a climate skeptic, remember that you would use that phrase, a climate skeptic.
00:40:26.000Or a climate denier, which would put you in the same realm as a Holocaust denier.
00:40:31.000Those were the phrases they used, and that would just create a complete negative reaction.
00:40:37.000But I think now we're getting to a place where I mean, there's a healthy meeting of the minds, where on the right, people are talking about the environment seriously, and on the left, there are people, hopefully, saying, you're right.
00:40:54.000These climate models have been wrong, but there's still something going on here.
00:40:59.000But I think that that's that, you know, that has always been the problem.
00:41:02.000But the superpower is stepping out of that.
00:41:05.000And I think that's what you were getting at.
00:41:06.000It's like you somehow got out of that and you can look down at it or look, I don't want to say down at it, but look at it from a side and see how wasteful this prison is, this prison of two ideas is.
00:41:23.000Yes, and there's a lot of things I'd love to respond to.
00:41:26.000One is like where you said that there was sort of an attempt to criminalise climate denying and there was an attempt to criminalise not taking the vaccine.
00:41:37.000There are ongoing attempts to criminalise Uh, speech, you know, through the ideas of hate speech.
00:41:42.000In some territories, these are extremely amorphous and oddly util laws.
00:41:47.000Like in Ireland, if they suspect you have hate speech material on your phone, the police will be able to come into your house and take your devices.
00:41:57.000Now, whether it's, you know, vaccines, in the event that vaccines were stopping transmission and were effective, of course, the strong advocacy for those medications would be legitimate.
00:42:09.000But what one starts to see is the reason behind the reason they're giving you.
00:42:15.000They might be giving you, we have to do something to protect the planet.
00:42:18.000And as you say, that is not a partisanal issue, whether or not we love the earth that we live on.
00:42:25.000If you are the most MAGA cap wearing, let's shoot some deer and some ducks and some, like,
00:42:32.000let's go crazy hunting, you love the planet.
00:42:35.000Or if you are a vegan Birkenstock wearing individual, you'd still love the planet.
00:42:41.000The idea of this being politicized and partisan is extraordinary.
00:42:45.000And what's happening, because I think of the quick response time and rapid reaction of
00:42:53.000In real time, you're starting to see people say, hold on a minute, this Ukrainian war, it doesn't make sense because in 2014 there was a coup and NATO did renege on certainly verbal deals between the Soviet Union and US or in climate change.
00:43:07.000How come all of these laws are penalising ordinary people And seem designed to create 15-minute cities and restrictions on people's movement?
00:43:16.000How come these vaccines seem to be tied to ID cards and being able to normalise the idea that unvaccinated should be shamed, they shouldn't be allowed into hospitals, they shouldn't be in prison, they shouldn't get treatment?
00:43:27.000They're starting to normalise the criminalisation of sections of the population.
00:43:33.000You marry that to the idea That the MAGA movement, which at the last election was pretty near 50% one side or the other of the entire electorate, was like a criminalized class or a demonized class.
00:43:46.000You're starting to use the kind of language that we all like, you know, which was reprehensible in my view around like, you know, all these people are all terrorists when talking about like entire nations of people.
00:43:58.000You're seeing it applied to domestic classes.
00:44:00.000Now, that's not a coincidence, because we now know that agencies that were dedicated to legitimising the pursuit of certain foreign interests that didn't go well, for example, in Iraq, are now turned in on domestic populations.
00:44:15.000That's not just in your country, but in mine.
00:44:17.000There are units, like Counter-Terror became Counter-Covid.
00:45:11.000Obviously, for me, it would be the latter, because when you see the media going after Trump, there's not a shred of evidence, because they have four years to look back on.
00:45:24.000He was, in my opinion, the most transparent politician.
00:45:45.000But, you know, it's like I had Greenwald on my show in which I apologized to him for what you were getting at, which was he was warning That the kind of focusing on the entire groups of people being terrorists was going to one day be turned on Americans themselves.
00:46:15.000The criminalization of people for supporting a politician, for not getting a vaccine.
00:46:22.000People like rooting for the death of people, or when they die, they say, ha, ha, ha, he didn't get the Vax, you know?
00:46:31.000However, if anybody had done that about a different behavior that caused their death, oh, you'd be, like, if you happened to be a criminal who died, that, and you said, well, you know, you lived a life, you would be attacked, but, but if you didn't get the Vax, you know, and also the, you talked about speech.
00:46:51.000I've noticed the description of hate speech got so big and then it kind of changed into misinformation.
00:47:01.000Now it's misinformation and I love how they say misinformation and disinformation and then they like to go on what the difference is and it's just like basically what they're saying is if you disagree with us, That's misinformation.
00:47:15.000If your counterpoint is disinformation, so that's actually now the same as hate speech.
00:48:44.000And they go, well, that suddenly that becomes a political thing.
00:48:48.000And now when you have crime going up in specific cities, that suddenly becomes a political issue.
00:48:55.000And you have to defy your own common sense.
00:48:58.000You have politicians that know it's unsafe in D.C.
00:49:01.000But they can't talk about it because now it's a political issue.
00:49:05.000To have a kind of set of clear and reliable values, and it seems so obvious that it's ridiculous that it has to be stated, you should be able to cross out the word Trump or Biden and just say, this thing happened.
00:49:37.000You should be able to say it without, you know, didn't deal with the pharmaceutical industry,
00:49:42.000like continued with a bit of legislation.
00:49:44.000It shouldn't matter because what's happened is, is we've allowed our perspective to be magnetized.
00:49:51.000Polarity, I've heard, is a requirement for energy.
00:49:55.000Without polarity, you cannot have energy.
00:49:58.000And it's as if we've been sort of trapped in an odd field that makes it impossible for us to progress.
00:50:06.000The word I keep returning to and the idea I keep returning to, Greg, It's decentralization because it's the only way, and the people I've spoken to on the right, it seems, are more amenable to this than elsewhere.
00:50:18.000It's the only way to defuse this is if you say, look, why don't we put aside what your feelings are on, gosh, guns, abortion, the environment, immigration, whatever it is, gender identity, religious identity.
00:50:31.000And just say, would you stand on a platform, an anti-establishment platform, that's ultimately about bringing control as close to your community and your individual life as possible?
00:50:43.000That should be perhaps, that is perhaps one way of diffusing this.
00:50:48.000There are some areas where a degree of centralised authority is useful.
00:50:53.000National defence, law and order, the building of roads, hospitals, there are all sorts of areas, but There have been experiments where people have democratised, for example, the distribution of budgets, and it seems to me that what's being resisted here is, like you said when talking about the new economics that have emerged in media, what's being resisted is, hold on, look at what happened in Napster, look at what happened with the Arab Spring,
00:51:20.000Look how we're having Brexit, Trump, Syriza, Podemos, left, right, the Occupy movement.
00:51:25.000The technology means now that people can form consensus, people can form communities and bypass the old centralised elites, whether it's media or state or corporate.
00:51:36.000technology exists that facilitates localism, that facilitates communities that are like,
00:51:43.000"Oh, you might be Amish, you might be LGBTQ+, you might want to live in a racially determined
00:52:43.000And so that's when you marshal the forces of demonization using wokeism as kind of an engine or the weapon to go after these individual voices because they're outside the 100 million that they're trying to keep together.
00:53:01.000And so what happens is they also create these little wars between identity blocks.
00:53:05.000Maybe that will keep the democratization of voices from spreading.
00:53:13.000One point, though, that you talked about polarity, that's the way Things like had morphed in cable news where, you know, you had Fox News and MSNBC.
00:53:33.000CNN kind of like Deflated because it didn't know where it was, and then it just went far left.
00:53:40.000But what was interesting, who's the most successful cable host probably in modern history was Tucker, the most anti-polarity person.
00:53:49.000What was interesting about his show, and you, I don't know if you were, I think you were on it, but he led the charge of breaking out of that polarity.
00:54:01.000Like he would take, Like, he would take positions that other anchors at Fox wouldn't, or he would find himself on the other side of a lot of things, or just on no side, and just asking the questions.
00:54:14.000He was proof that you could be anti-polarity.
00:54:50.000Like you said, you get energy in this and you make money off this.
00:54:53.000But he somehow decided, or he knew, or he always was that way, got out of it and showed that it could work, which was pretty amazing.
00:55:04.000What is clear in Cable News in particular, and a lot of these ideas I first saw articulated well in the book The Revolt of the Public by Martin Goury, which it seems most people are kind of aware of now, was that Cable News, of course, they no longer had to... I even remember when I first worked in Hollywood, that there were famous movie stars that were Republican, and they would just keep quiet about that shit.
00:55:29.000Like you know and they'll be sort of all cool and it'll be okay like and then sort of something happened where late night tv say they just went we're not even gonna cater to the idea that people might be watching this that anything other than what we know the entertainment industry is which is the kind of democrat Where it's sort of a vocal concern for social justice as long as it doesn't have any kind of impact.
00:55:53.000I mean, it's clear to me that what globalism is predicated upon is, in particular through
00:56:00.000organizations like the WEF, is like, how do we talk the talk without ever having to pay
00:56:07.000the tax, without ever having to make the compromise?
00:56:11.000How do we have it that you have an environmental conference to stop climate change where everyone
00:56:17.000arrives in private jets and no one gives a shit about that or sees that as any kind of
00:56:50.000And because of independent media, I think, Greg, and because of this new sort of this breakout voices that can appeal to people across the spectrum, It's become clear that you don't need to just limit yourself to what would once, you know, it would have been Noam Chomsky saying, you know, where both sides agree you have no choice at all.
00:57:08.000It would have been Naomi Klein of the left saying, oh crises are induced so to legitimize authority.
00:57:14.000All that discourse now, that's, you know, that's on the right now.
00:57:17.000It's so odd to me as opposed to just see that, you know, the left won't touch any of that.
00:57:23.000They'll just vote along with more war, more regulation, more authority, more establishment.
00:57:30.000It has been a complete flip, you know, and I was just thinking about the no impact on themselves in terms of embracing social justice.
00:57:44.000Seeing politicians say they're going to ban gas stoves and then they send out pictures of themselves cooking their holiday meal on a gas stove.
00:57:53.000And they don't even see it because the assumption is they're somehow immune to the very thing that they're telling people.
00:58:12.000You know, my sister couldn't see her husband in the hospital while that was going on.
00:58:17.000And, you know, it's like they somehow they promote these social justice issues in a way to keep themselves immune from One day being under the thumb of that, they want the activists at bay so they can do it.
00:58:36.000One thing I noticed, and this may be politically incorrect, but even in Hollywood movies, so I've watched a couple of movies this weekend, And to justify the action and violence in movies, they now have female characters who can beat up men, like women half the size, just taking out dudes, and they go like, that's just not possible.
01:00:50.000It's all done by, you know, entertainment media will make sure you get punished if you, if you veer off the, you know, the Kimmel Colbert plantation, you know, or whatever you want to call it.
01:01:02.000It's interesting because in the end, I wonder when the economics will be impacted, that when people will go, hold on, there's an audience, there's a market.
01:01:12.000Now, what I suppose previously existed was the presumed lack of choice and the control.
01:01:19.000This is what you're going to watch because this is all you can watch.
01:01:23.000Now you can watch Joe Rogan having like, you know, say for example in the pandemic period he's got Robert Malone, there's Peter McCulloch, there's a Jay Bhattacharya, there's all these legitimate voices from academia and science that are not toeing the line on a subject like the pandemic and suddenly what they sense is, oh no, we've lost control of that space.
01:01:43.000They can continue to control what you might call sort of the institutional media complex, but it's kind of losing its relevance.
01:01:53.000That's the trajectory at least, and unless there are sort of the successful ability to cancel, the successful implementation of censorship laws, then you can see which way it's going.
01:02:04.000Like things like whether it's Antony Oliver or Sound of Freedom, these are sort of death knell cultural moments of like, oh shit, people can bypass it. It can be bypassed. You can have,
01:02:15.000like you said, the trajectory and tendency would of course be towards like, you know, if you take
01:02:19.000something that's less controversial like sport, you know, if you're a fan of the West Ham United or the 49ers
01:02:26.000or whatever, you can like watch just that content.
01:02:37.000This ability to sort of become really who you are and to potentially systemize it is a massive threat to homogenous blobs of corporately funded, donor class, financially allied, military industrial complex sponsored political organizations.
01:02:56.000If people start to Not only in recreational activities, but in their cultural identity.
01:03:04.000Be able to form communities that are untethered from these kind of complexes.
01:03:11.000And you can only maintain that, I think, through massive fear and massive control.
01:03:15.000And I think what happened in the pandemic period is it was Like, as the great George Carlin always says, no conspiracy is required where interests converge.
01:03:25.000We saw, oh look, media interests, state interests, big pharma interests converge.
01:03:32.000In particular, when it comes to controlling a population, when it comes to crushing opposition, these interests all come together.
01:03:40.000Yeah, and you know, what you're describing is true diversity.
01:03:45.000So if there's true diversity of thought, you will have communities.
01:03:50.000So you have to create, if you're in power, an artificial diversity to group people by identity and ascribe that idea.
01:04:02.000They have to have a specific ideology to keep themselves together.
01:04:10.000Venture into the true diversity of thought.
01:04:12.000So to keep you from being into these these this kind of like florid, truly like thoughtful, amazing world, you have to you have to create a parallel But COVID especially saw the contamination, saw people of different races and different religions, all of a sudden you have a black NBA athlete and a white farmer on the same side.
01:05:21.000He was so removed from everything and that he found comfort in mainstream media.
01:05:28.000He would go there and the anchors would go, Oh, you're having a rough time, you know, Dr. Fauci, all these people just don't understand the great work you're doing.
01:06:31.000Yeah, there's a like you touched on that earlier that all of this is predicated on the like much of this authoritarianism is predicated on the principle of exemption.
01:06:39.000Like this isn't this is for you with that's why we can censor speech because we know what ideas you should be exposed to and what ideas you should what's wrong with People are hearing some information that isn't true and going well I don't know man maybe I believe that maybe I don't.
01:06:57.000Is it that they're trying to protect us from that information or is it that they're trying to prevent us having that information precisely because it is bloody true and is likely to generate a type of Insurgency.
01:07:08.000You will enjoy a bit of content we did about Fauci.
01:07:10.000He did an interview with the BBC over here in this country.
01:07:14.000And the interview, Greg, it was beyond the puff piece and somewhere towards fellatio.
01:07:21.000They didn't once say, is it true that the Wuhan Institute of Virology received funding from the NIH and from DARPA?
01:07:29.000Is it true that you suppressed the lab leak theory even though you yourself suspected that it might be true and were certainly at least discussing it?
01:07:37.000Is it true that you understood that there had been no clinical trials of the vaccine for transmission?
01:07:43.000Is there a distinction between the various batches?
01:07:46.000Is it true that lockdown was based on computer modelling, not empirical studies of epidemiology and how viruses behave?
01:07:53.000Is it true that you shut down the Balfour Declaration even knowing that where it was discussed that lockdowns would not be effective and you shouldn't vaccinate during a pandemic?
01:08:02.000None of these questions, just like, do you power walk now?
01:08:07.000It was incredible to watch it take place and people are starting to sense it.
01:08:11.000I want to add to something you said a little earlier that the other thing the pandemic revealed was a kind of unity that crossed the lines that are supposed to be in place and therefore you have to mischaracterize, for example, anti-vaxxers.
01:08:25.000Anti-vaxxers has to become a synonym for MAGA Trump and then you have to deal with the anomaly that whole, hang on a minute, There's an unusual amount of vaccine hesitancy among African-American people.
01:08:38.000Maybe because they've got a reason for not trusting the state?
01:08:45.000Ah yeah, this is starting to make sense now.
01:08:48.000We did a piece like earlier on sort of a kind of FBI malfeasance and misuse of surveillance powers and in it was revealed that they had infiltrated and spied upon BLM and January 6th protesters.
01:09:02.000So it doesn't matter, you might think you're all over that spectrum, but as far as the
01:09:06.000deep state and the globalists, the true power is concerned, you just, some people that are
01:09:12.000making some noise, this noise is convenient right now, we'll allow it.
01:09:15.000This noise is convenient, we'll amplify it.
01:09:17.000This noise is, you know, they're just using faders.
01:09:20.000They don't care about individual freedom, they care about dominion and centralizing
01:09:24.000authority and legitimizing that process so you can bypass national sovereignty, let alone
01:10:11.000She had to defend her non-white Christmas party.
01:10:19.000She only had to defend it because she got caught.
01:10:23.000They sent the email out to white people by accident, so she got in trouble.
01:10:28.000It was a perfect encapsulation of how far we have come from The melting pot, you know, certain groups need to have their own Christmas party.
01:10:43.000The COVID lab leak, we have to remember, this is another example of how they weaponize wokeism, that if you brought up This is the in Greenwald brought mentioned this a long time ago.
01:10:54.000If you brought up that it was lab leak, that would then be tied to bigotry, because it was the Chinese virus or whatever you would be accused.
01:11:06.000of being racist. However, then they would blame it on the wet market, which is culturally
01:11:11.000something that China is known for. And somehow that wasn't racist. So you could say no, no,
01:11:17.000like in the beginning, oh no, it's the wet market. It's the wet market. That's not racist.
01:11:21.000But if you say it's the lab, that's racist. It didn't make no sense.
01:11:25.000No, even further because there is no true principle behind it, just an agenda.