In this episode of Awakened Wonder, we discuss the CDC, Mycoplasmic Cholesterol and Cardiothoracitis, and the recent white supremacist rally in Canada. We also discuss the Confederate Flag and its use as a symbol of white supremacy and white nationalism, and why we should all be concerned about it. We hope you enjoy this episode, and we'd be greatly grateful if you left us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and become a supporter of the show. We make all of our content freely available in Kindle, iBook, Paperback, Hardcover, Audio Book, and Audio only version of the podcast wherever you get your books. Thank you so much for your support, it means the world to us and we can keep on spreading the word of what's going on around the world. Timestamps: 3:00 - What's up with the Confederacy Flag? 7:30 - What does it mean to be a white supremacist? 9:40 - Is it acceptable to bring a Confederate Flag to Canada? 14:00- What's the difference between white supremacists and white supremacists? 16:00 - Why we should be worried about Confederate flags? 17:30- The Confederate Flag? 18:20 - What are we to do about it? 19:15 - What is the role of white supremacists in Canada? 22:30 - What do we need to do in the 21st century? 21: Is it OK to bring Confederate flags to Parliament? 26: What does Canada's role in Canada s? 27:00: Does it matter? 29:00 Is it a good thing? 30:00 What is Canada's relationship with the Confederate flag? 35:00 Do we have a white flag in Canada's identity? 36:00 Can we be a democracy? 37:00 Are we a racist? 39:00 Should we be allowed to have a Confederate flag in Parliament? 40:00 Does Canada have a black flag in a blacker colour? 45:00 How do we know what we should we know about the Confederacy? 47:00 Who are we supposed to be allowed in Canada to have one? 56:00 We are a nation that has a white, black or white flag that s white? Theme music by Ian Dorsch? Music by Ian?
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00:03:06.000I'm not suggesting we all move into a commune.
00:03:23.000Like, we were talking about Canada last week because it's become some sort of Curious dystopian pilot scheme with admittedly lovely hair lately.
00:03:33.000You know, what's happening with Jordan Peterson and the evocation of his license, the shutting down of bank accounts, throwing religious folks in jail for attending protests, calling people Nazis that aren't Nazis, calling people heroes that are Nazis.
00:03:50.000And now look at Justin Trudeau and the leader of the so-called opposition Taking the new Speaker of the House to his position, this is like part of their politics.
00:04:19.000Of course, Parliament and politics has always had a degree of theatre to it.
00:04:23.000Oratory, it's rhetoric, there are sort of teams and dramas and revelations, but now it's become almost pure theatre.
00:04:30.000That's how you can get a Nazi applauded, because they don't sort of know what they're doing.
00:04:34.000And this is yet another example of that apparent jacundity.
00:04:38.000Another one of those shows of Even though he's the opposition and I'm the leader, look at how we're united in our mutual respect and love of democracy.
00:04:45.000But it's not a love of democracy as we understand it.
00:04:48.000Democracy as in, we are the stewards of the will of the people that pay their taxes and who really, and in truth, this country belongs to.
00:04:55.000No, it's sort of, we pretend to come together in weird little spectacles and displays in order to service the interests of the powerful.
00:05:03.000And apparent displays of humanity, like just seeing three guys hanging out being mates together, it's actually just a Bullshit.
00:05:10.000And also the fellow himself, Greg Fergus.
00:05:12.000I'm someone who really applauds the diversity and the advances of people in colour in formerly more homogenous cultures.
00:05:21.000But actually, listen to what that guy was saying during the Trucker protest.
00:05:42.000The confederate flag is a symbol for slavery.
00:05:46.000I will assume that the confederate flag was tolerated this weekend out of respect for the individual's freedom of expression.
00:05:56.000Many people say that those swastikas, not swastikas, those swastikas, I'm sure it's swastikas, were there as a sort of ironic comment on the slide into dystopia that Canada is
00:06:08.000demonstrating lately and it sort of seems like they are with the shutting down of the
00:06:12.000bank accounts with the new legislation.
00:06:14.000I mean have you even seen the new legislation? We'll get to that in a second but like just
00:06:19.000have a look at how Justin Trudeau greets his new mate the Speaker in the House who of course
00:06:24.000in the theatre of conventional politics which I know that you know is absolutely meaningless
00:06:29.000now he's meant to be a neutral figure and representative of the kind of neutral symbolic
00:06:34.000space that exists in this house of discourse where democracy is created and conducted.
00:06:39.000But look at this weird set of facial expressions.
00:07:05.000And also, what's less cheeky and winky and aren't we all pals mucking around in democracy together, is this new mental law that they're introducing in Canada that's eerily similar to the online safety law that's being introduced, that's just been introduced in this country, that essentially amounts to, in order to protect you, we're gonna protect you from knowing the truth that only independent media can give you, and you will bear this in mind in the story in a minute about the CDC.
00:07:32.000This story wouldn't be able to bring you if it were not for other independent media outlets whose reporting we are using and the very fact that they use the Freedom of Information Act to get information that's relevant to your health and your survival and your very heart.
00:07:46.000So while that information is only reaching you because of independent media, governments in Canada, America, Australia, the UK, Ireland are introducing laws that will literally I predict prevent that from happening.
00:07:59.000As well as dissident figures everywhere, not all of whom I agree with, are being like arrested and harassed and you're well aware of what we're going through.
00:08:08.000Glenn Greenwald tweeted, the Canadian government armed with one of the world's most repressive online censorship schemes announces that all online streaming services that offer podcasts must formally register with the government to permit regulatory controls.
00:08:21.000What they've recognized is Dissidents, opposition, will come from online spaces.
00:08:29.000In order to permit that level of regulation, they have to make you think that this space is full of murder and crime and racism and hatred and that it requires regulation.
00:08:40.000Were you guys okay in there in the internet?
00:08:42.000Do you need us to come in and regulate?
00:09:02.000So, uh, this is the Online Streaming Act, which, as usual, they try to present you with some sort of friendly, cuddly, old bit of patriotism, but, as usual, it's totalitarianism in disguise.
00:09:13.000After three ministers, five years, and dozens of amendments, the Liberal government's controversial Online Streaming Act has finally become law, and there are some big changes coming for streamers.
00:09:24.000The law will require platforms to promote Canadian content.
00:09:28.000require streaming services like Netflix to pay to support Canadian media content like music and TV shows.
00:10:20.000This is censorship, surveillance, centralized control, all under the auspices of somehow being patriotic and friendly, protecting you and helping you.
00:10:30.000Remember, they can rely on the legacy media to amplify their message, to normalize their agenda.
00:10:36.000You see it every day and we will never, ever tire of pointing it out to you.
00:10:41.000Because it happens in your country, Canada.
00:10:42.000It happens in your country, the United States of America.
00:10:46.000Now, Rishi Sunak, if you've heard of him at all, he's our Prime Minister.
00:10:49.000Before he was our Prime Minister, he was our Chancellor.
00:10:51.000Before he was our Chancellor, that's the guy that's in charge of the money, he had this hedge fund that invested $500 million in what was the name of that company again?
00:11:00.000And then during the pandemic, he wouldn't hand over, or he won't at least hand over now, his WhatsApp messages pertaining to his conversations, activities during the pandemic period.
00:11:12.000Now that could just be because he was attending some of the numerous social events and parties that went on during that period, while the rest of us couldn't do that, because remember, they're concerned about your safety.
00:11:24.000So, is it possible that any of those WhatsApp messages contain stuff about his dealings with Moderna, or his potential profits from Moderna?
00:11:31.000Because he certainly won't discuss any of those things, and you might think if you're English, oh well, you know, there'll be a general election soon and we can vote for Keir Starmer, who increasingly appears to be some sort of MI6 asset.
00:11:43.000So there's no answer within this system.
00:11:45.000The only answers are to oppose this system.
00:11:49.000The Tory party, that's our sort of Republican right-wing party, are having a conference.
00:11:54.000And my God, there was a speech by a minister called Penny Mordaunt, which I think she wants to be remembered as the stand up and fight speech.
00:12:02.000There's nothing quite like watching someone who's poor at oratory thinking that they're good at oratory.
00:12:09.000And let's have a look at that happening right now.
00:12:13.000Stand up and fight for the freedoms we have won.
00:12:18.000Stand up and fight for those freedoms we've won.
00:14:41.000Like during the pandemic when he locked us in our houses and it turns out it didn't really work and he's mandated medicines and stay tuned, they didn't seem to work and possibly were counterproductive.
00:15:16.000Well I feel like it's at that point she's expecting that people will be going yeah and then not and she's thinking come on I can maybe by saying stand up and fight enough I can make them stand up and clap.
00:16:37.000You'll see the value of independent media in this reporting where, after a Freedom of Information Act was filed and only after that, revelations about the damage that myocarditis is doing to particular demographics was revealed by the CDC, something they consistently denied.
00:17:52.000While we know kids are less impacted than adults from COVID, the unfortunate news is that kids can still get sick, and sometimes really sick from COVID-19, just like adults.
00:18:11.000In fact, half of the very young kids who ended up in the intensive care unit with COVID had no underlying medical reason to make us think they would get sick.
00:18:22.000They didn't have asthma or another underlying condition.
00:18:25.000The COVID virus just made them really sick.
00:18:28.000Second, the vaccine is safe for all kids over six months.
00:18:33.000Millions of doses have been given to children and their safety has been closely tracked.
00:18:38.000The benefits to children and teens outweigh the risks.
00:18:55.000Especially the risks to kids if they get COVID-19.
00:19:00.000For example, teen boys have been up to five times as likely to have heart inflammation after having a COVID infection than after getting vaccinated.
00:19:10.000Listen to that smiling fact and note the peculiar facial expression afterwards.
00:19:14.000The eyes closed, the lips closed, perhaps because something is being concealed.
00:19:20.000And exactly who that group of teens that had heart disease were.
00:19:26.000Now, I have two daughters ages 9 and 11, and we plan to get them both the updated COVID vaccine.
00:19:33.000Well, that's good, because that's your choice as their mother.
00:19:36.000And I agree that all parents should be able to make those kind of choices for their children, rather than mandating it at the level of the state.
00:19:43.000Talk to your child's pediatrician or nurse practitioner about the updated COVID vaccine today.
00:19:48.000They're certainly going to tell you what we tell them to tell you, because it's illegal for them not to.
00:19:52.000And they can get their flu vaccine at the same time.
00:19:56.000Ah, lovely little check-in there with Dr. Cohen.
00:19:59.000And now, here's a check-in with some terrifying facts that you won't get from the government.
00:20:15.000I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
00:20:17.000The benefits for children and young people far outweigh the risks, argues CDC director Mandy Cohen.
00:20:21.000Teen boys have been up to five times as likely to have heart inflammation after having a COVID infection than after getting vaccinated, Cohen said.
00:20:47.000It's true that this study found teen boys ages from 12 to 17 had two to six times greater risk of heart complications after COVID infection compared to after vaccination.
00:20:56.000But the study only looked at electronic health records which were limited to teenagers who had been admitted to the hospital or who visited a doctor.
00:21:04.000This means the subjects of the study were not representative of the total number of boys who got Covid, the vast majority of whom never went to the doctor.
00:21:18.000Then there's people who got COVID and went to the doctor, presumably because something was wrong.
00:21:22.000I would say that's quite a biased subset.
00:21:24.000And other papers show vastly different results.
00:21:27.000A study from the American Heart Association on myocarditis, which means inflammation of the heart muscle, found that in men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher After a second dose of mRNA-1273 and after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.
00:21:44.000So the opposite of what you've just had a gentle, lovely video explaining to you.
00:21:48.000A Nordic study of 23 million people found that for young men ages 16 to 24, post-vaccination myocarditis rates Well, 6 to 28 times higher than myocarditis rates after COVID infection.
00:22:03.000Seems like the information is less favorable if, for example, you had some ancillary benefit like selling a product or establishing dominion.
00:22:12.000And yet that information doesn't seem to have its own friendly video, does it?
00:22:25.000Be very careful about the information that you're given because there may be, in fact always will be, an intention behind it and an agenda.
00:22:32.000For example, right now what I'm trying to get you to do is question the information you're given by the legacy media and the state and question ways that they operate with one another.
00:22:41.000I'm going to be telling my two daughters and my very young son Never to trust anyone in authority unless it's proven that
00:22:47.000they have spiritual principles and values that go beyond self-interest.
00:24:05.000It's extraordinary the level of propaganda that they will deploy in order to pursue an agenda and manage the information space.
00:24:12.000What's more, a mounting body of evidence shows that the CDC and the White House chose to ignore and cover up evidence of a significant myocarditis safety signal in early 2021, putting young people at risk of serious adverse events.
00:24:24.000On the 27th of April 2021, then Director of the CDC Rochelle Walensky stated, But this was a false statement at the time.
00:24:34.000Journalist Zachary Stiber of the Epoch Times obtained internal CDC emails for a Freedom of Information Act request, As usual, information that's only given over under incredible scrutiny and pressure and the use of the actual Freedom of Information Act, a Nordic study of 23 million people ignored, a biased study of a subset that already plainly have medical conditions or challenges at least, because they made an inquiry to a doctor, they were under medical care, is used as information that's verifiable.
00:25:02.000I'll tell you, you know already, let me know in the chat.
00:25:04.000Just, they get information that suits what they want to happen anyway, then they bombard you with that information, and if there's information that's like, hang on a minute, that might not be true actually, they ignore it.
00:26:01.000Although we can't know for sure if Walensky had seen reports of post-vaccine myocarditis, a US government memorandum from March 2021, also obtained by Stieber, stated there were 27 cases of myocarditis, myoopericarditis, and pericarditis, inflammation of lining around the heart, on VAERS.
00:26:18.000The US government conducted its VAERS search on February 23, 2021.
00:26:22.000It's not clear who wrote the memo, and CDC refused to answer any questions on the matter.
00:26:28.000But Walensky was copied on multiple threads discussing myocarditis, Stieber writes.
00:26:32.000She responded to one of the threads saying the information was super helpful.
00:26:43.000I'll just put those adverse reaction reports in my special filing cabinet under the desk there and keep it nice and warm.
00:26:51.000The CDC, notes Stieber, was warned by Israel on February the 28th, 2021 about a large number of myocarditis cases after Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination documents obtained by the Epoch Times show.
00:27:02.000Internally, the warning was designated as high importance and set off a review of US data.
00:27:07.000The Israeli Ministry of Health requested a joint meeting with the Food and Drug Administration, FDA, and the CDC to respond to this trend.
00:27:13.000The Israeli national focal point is noticing a large number of reports of myocarditis, particularly in young people, following the administration of the Pfizer vaccines, the email stated.
00:27:22.000At this point, Pfizer had only made about $50 billion in profit.
00:27:25.000Israel was reporting post-vaccination myocarditis already in January 2021, noted Dr. Tracy Beth Herg, an epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco.
00:27:34.000They reported two deaths associated with it in April 2021.
00:27:37.000So it seems they were pretty stringently ignoring information that might not be helpful to the continuation of their agenda.
00:28:58.000Answered Tom Shibakuro, Director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, Department of Defense and Israeli MOH think they have a signal for myocarditis with mRNA vaccines, but there is potentially a lot of ascertainment bias in the DoD data.
00:29:11.000We don't have any evidence to suggest a signal or safety problem for myocarditis or pericarditis with mRNA vaccines.
00:29:18.000Some may argue that the CDC was right to keep concerns about myocarditis from the public because the agency had not detected the safety signal itself and had reasons to suspect that the reports from Israel and the Defense Department were flawed.
00:29:29.000But such an argument would require the CDC to conduct thorough safety surveillance.
00:29:34.000If they had concerns that that information was flawed, they should conduct their own studies, surely.
00:29:39.000Yeah, as Stieber discovered through his exchanges with the agency, the CDC did not begin its proportional reporting ratio statistical analysis until 2022.
00:29:46.000Stieber also found that the CDC's v-safe self-reporting system did not include a category for myocarditis reports.
00:29:55.000How the hell are we going to keep down these myocarditis reports?
00:29:58.000Well, like, what if we just didn't have a category for that?
00:30:00.000Right, the same way as we don't have a category for being hit in the face with an onion?
00:30:37.000An advisor to the deputy coordinator of the White House COVID-19 response wrote, Any chance you know where we can find these papers stroke briefings?
00:30:47.000In June 2021, after most people who were planning to get vaccinated had received at least one dose, the CDC began publicly investigating myocarditis and speaking to the news media about it.
00:31:01.000It seems that it was a greater priority to ensure that people got vaccinated than to ensure that vaccinating was safe.
00:31:07.000Herc submitted a study to the CDC's journal, oh not this, Morbility and Mortality Weekly Review, that depressing little rag, that stratified the myocarditis risk by health, removed incidental hospitalizations, and provided a more accurate estimate of the incidence of post-vaccination myocarditis in teenage boys, even though that video is still referring to the obsolete one.
00:31:27.000Yet the CDC's journal rejected these significant results in August 2021.
00:31:31.000An editor told Herg, I ran this by the MMWR lead editorial staff members, they felt that while the report was interesting, they did not feel there was anything that was not already relayed.
00:31:41.000The study was eventually published in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation.
00:31:45.000We're not making odd, arbitrary decisions about what's interesting or what's... We're not putting that in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Review!
00:31:51.000We've got to have a bigger fish to fry!
00:32:13.000I bet it doesn't even have morbidity and mortality in there.
00:32:16.000Walensky let mumps go by after receiving a warning from the Israeli Ministry of Health, and even when more information about myocarditis became public, her agency continued to downplay the risks.
00:32:25.000The mainstream media simply amplifies the propaganda of the state and the military-industrial complex, whereas we want to interrogate and investigate the facts so that we can bring you truth, so that we can mutually awaken together, which frankly is impossible for us to do without our commercial partners and sponsors, and by god are they loyal.
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00:32:48.000I mean, I don't actually even understand how their business model works, but there are six fantastic designs that you can have for nothing.
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00:33:23.000Let's get some stickers out of this thing.
00:33:24.000Let's go back to the egregious, awful propaganda of the mainstream media that like to pretend that what they're doing is actual news, when what they're doing is the amplification of propaganda without inquiry and question.
00:33:36.000In November 2021, the Biden administration announced sweeping mandates for working age people, many of whom were in the group, men under 30, who would be most at risk.
00:33:44.000Oh my God, they mandated without telling people Even I, after everything we've been through, can't really hold it together that when they were saying if you want to be a key worker in New York or if you want to do these jobs or you should be vaccinated or you should be shamed, they had understood that there were risks and they were not conveying those risks to the public.
00:34:03.000This shows you, I think to a new degree, the lack of regard they have for your life, your Safety?
00:34:11.000Your ability to make choices for yourself?
00:34:13.000This is actually, I think, in time we will come to regard this as a great stain on the character of our government and their agencies.
00:34:21.000And we'll see it, I think, as a pivotal moment when trust was lost forever by almost all but the most ardent of supporters of what has come to be known as the message.
00:34:31.000It may be that Walensky chose to disregard the safety signals from Israel and the military because she did not want to interrupt the vaccination campaign, which would be a terrible decision because the vaccination campaign isn't more important than the truth.
00:34:43.000We've got a perfectly good vaccination campaign.
00:35:07.000Doing something similar for Pfizer or Moderna might have brought the whole vaccine rollout to a halt.
00:35:12.000Those of you that during that period thought, something unusual is happening, this doesn't seem right.
00:35:17.000Well, if they had responded to the available evidence, they would have had to have paused.
00:35:23.000Because it seems the most obvious alternative to that is a kind of group psychopathy.
00:35:28.000If their version of the truth isn't true, and now we know that it isn't, then the kind of speculative available possibilities are terrifying, aren't they?
00:35:36.000CDC is making these false claims either because they truly do not know how to evaluate the scientific methodology, or because they are trying to encourage people to get vaccinated, or both, said Herg.
00:35:44.000CDC director Cohen insists on boosting young people because to do otherwise would be an admission that there is a serious safety risk for this age group, something our agency has consistently denied.
00:35:54.000So ideology is actually usurping pragmatism and even safety.
00:36:19.000After the Defense Department did the responsible thing and reported cases of myocarditis to the CDC in 2021, It ended up considering the CDC's guidance to be definitive anyway and defaulted to that guidance.
00:36:30.000Oh my god, they got it once, they ignored it, they got it again, they ignored it again!
00:36:34.000The department went on to mandate these vaccines for healthy young adults.
00:36:37.000We're now in a really interesting territory.
00:36:39.000They've twice been warned that there was a risk and then they mandated vaccines for young adults.
00:36:47.000What's the legacy media doing that they're not investigating this?
00:36:50.000This is like Watergate, this is Iran-Contra, this is a deep deep scandal that's just a few years ago and you wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for independent media.
00:36:59.000Independent media is the only chance we have of gaining access to this.
00:37:04.000If there wasn't independent media I wouldn't know this.
00:37:12.000I don't trust the legacy media because I've worked in media and I know what they're like and I know what they do.
00:37:17.000But now, because of independent media, we have access to actual facts.
00:37:22.000Good job that there aren't a raft of legislature being passed around the world to prevent independent media from being able to communicate, isn't it?
00:37:31.000This was absolute madness, Herg said, given a complete lack of data to support this and the fact we were knowingly asking young people, particularly males, to take risks with their heart.
00:37:40.000The booster has not undergone thorough clinical trials in humans and the US is, so far, the only country that's recommending it for infants as young as six months old.
00:37:49.000And we only know this because of, like, freedom of information demands made by independent media organisations.
00:37:57.000Unless, of course, independent media is attacked and undermined and dissenting voices everywhere are, like, literally arrested and shut down.
00:38:06.000Most members of the public believed that the CDC and the FDA would conduct sufficient safety monitoring.
00:38:11.000But you know when sometimes, like, someone like Vivek Ramaswamy or RFK say that if I were president, I would get rid of the FBI, I'd get rid of the CIA.
00:38:36.000Some level of deep systemic corruption that bypasses individual humans' inherent sense of moral goodness, which I actually believe we all have.
00:38:44.000These institutions are faced with a massive backlash.
00:38:52.000Congress should hold hearings on this to get to the bottom of what happened and consider subpoenaing.
00:38:56.000The emails between the CDC and White House which have only been released in heavily redacted form to Daily Clout.
00:39:02.000Of course they're heavily redacted because the information in there is terrifying.
00:39:06.000That redacted information concerned a party that we were holding for your birthday and you ruined it!
00:39:15.000You're just like mortality and morbidity weekly review.
00:39:21.000Until our public health agencies and regulators are massively reformed, we will continue to see the same irresponsible behaviour from officials.
00:39:29.000Due to the high risk of myocarditis after Moderna, several European countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany and France, suspended the use of the Moderna vaccine for people under
00:39:58.000In spite of all of the rhetoric and language around science, in spite of the mandates, the reassurances, the ridicule that people that were sceptical faced, it turns out that on two significant occasions, vital information was ignored in order to simply advance the vaccine campaign.
00:40:15.000Looking at this information that was only obtained using a Freedom of Information Act, otherwise you wouldn't have it.
00:40:20.000Without independent media you won't get access to that type of information because the legacy media will not report it.
00:40:26.000The legacy media will amplify the message of the CDC and the appropriate agencies because they've been gutted and they have a convergent set of interests with those agencies.
00:40:36.000So what I can take from this is remain deeply skeptical about what you're told in the mainstream media, deeply suspicious of it, don't trust authority, but recognize this is a significant time of change.
00:40:46.000The world is changing and it's changing fast.
00:40:49.000We can't have one foot in each camp anymore.
00:41:11.000Without that freedom of information request we wouldn't know the truth about myocarditis and its links to vaccine and vaccine injury which given that we're still on YouTube but we're demonetized by the government and big tech We can talk about it openly, I think.
00:41:26.000And while we're celebrating journalism, independence, truth-telling, I'm excited to introduce Dave DeCamp, the news editor at Antiwar.com and host of Antiwar News, whose content we continually use because of his intrepid personal principles.
00:41:42.000Because remember, when journalism used to mean investigating the actions of the powerful, that we can attack the establishment, that we can build new systems together.
00:41:50.000Dave, thank you so much for joining us.
00:42:09.000And if you want to support us further, press the red button and you can support us directly.
00:42:13.000But your attention, your consciousness and your time is so much more important than your money.
00:42:18.000Mate, one of the things that you've been reporting on is this sort of curious story that in spite of propaganda, there's been little shift in territorial control in Ukraine.
00:42:28.000There's been incredible loss of life and it seems incredible opportunity for profit.
00:42:32.000So what are these new revelations about there being very little in the way of territorial shift reveal?
00:42:38.000Yeah, so Ukraine launched its big counter offensive back in June and you know there's been a lot of kind of media report with a bit of a slant trying to portray that Ukraine is gaining territory and that they are you know that they do have a chance of winning this thing and they have been gaining some very you know incremental areas but a recent report from the New York Times that looked over at all the territory that's changed hands This year in 2023, it showed that Russia has actually gained more territory this year.
00:43:08.000But overall, it's a very small amount of territory.
00:43:11.000Only 500 square miles has changed hands.
00:43:14.000Russia gained about 300 and the Ukrainian side about 183.
00:43:20.000So those small little areas, I mean, if you look at the map, it really shows, you know, the front lines have barely changed.
00:43:26.000And in that time, you know, hundreds of thousands of people have likely been killed.
00:43:31.000We don't know the casualties for sure on either side because it's kind of a strange thing that we don't know how many people are actually being killed because both sides are hiding their casualty figures.
00:43:42.000But it's pretty clear, and from people that I trust, they believe hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have been killed this year alone.
00:43:49.000And lots of Russians are being killed as well.
00:44:22.000Russia spent the last winter really strengthening their defenses.
00:44:28.000So they knew it wouldn't be successful, and they pushed for it anyway.
00:44:31.000Right before the counter-offensive started, Secretary of State Antony Blinken came out and gave this big speech against a ceasefire.
00:44:38.000And he actually, he didn't just say he opposed the ceasefire, he opposed the pause in fighting.
00:44:43.000He disparaged other countries that were calling for peace.
00:44:47.000So this is what we're dealing with and now months later that the lines have barely moved and so many people are dead, they're determined to keep this thing going.
00:44:56.000That's what's really, you know, they just want an open-ended conflict.
00:44:59.000They want to turn Ukraine into this huge NATO bulwark on Russia's border.
00:45:06.000Even in his recent address to the UN, Biden said that Russia and Russia alone can end this war.
00:45:13.000Russia solitarily and solely are the cause of this war.
00:45:18.000And as you point out, even to talk of peace is regarded as a kind of militaristic heresy.
00:45:29.000I wonder what you think the significance is of Lockheed Martin, for example, announcing profit opportunities for up to $10 billion and what the likely motivations of this war are if we're not seeing significant territorial shift and it isn't the counter offensive didn't succeed.
00:45:48.000What does this tell us about the motivations?
00:45:51.000Well, yeah, there's certainly a profit motive here.
00:45:57.000actually recently, according to a report from the Telegraph, the British are apparently out of weapons to send to Ukraine.
00:46:04.000But by dumping all of these weapons in there, you know, this gives the arms makers like Lockheed Martin, like Raytheon, you know, they're replenishing all these stockpiles.
00:46:13.000You have all the Eastern European countries, especially Poland,
00:46:17.000really increasing their military budget.
00:47:33.000And who's running this thing is Biden's defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, who came from the board of Raytheon.
00:47:40.000Literally his job before running the Pentagon was at Raytheon.
00:47:42.000So it's very obvious that this is a big part of this whole thing is the money to be made on these weapons and it's complete corruption and cronyism.
00:47:51.000I'm astonished to see that sort of the nostalgia craze for the 80s and 90s has reached actual
00:47:56.000militarism, that it's like sort of speak and spell and Simon Says war weaponry from Tomy
00:48:04.000and MB Games, like the kind of nostalgia craze that you see in our sort of love of serials
00:48:11.000like Lucky Charms is extended to bazookas.
00:48:13.000What a terrifying and extraordinary situation.
00:48:16.000When you said that the Ukraine is like an arms fair, I was reminded of the Spanish Civil
00:48:22.000Wars potential function as a kind of trial for the subsequent global war, i.e. in particular
00:48:30.000that the fascists were supported by Nazi weaponry, particularly from the air and stuff.
00:48:39.000And it seems to me that these kind of practices have always been available.
00:48:45.000military technology is piloted in potentially lesser conflicts prior to,
00:48:52.000it's staggering to consider given that Russia are one of the combatant nations,
00:48:57.000even bigger conflicts, even involving China potentially when you talk about
00:49:02.000what's going on with Taiwan and perhaps we'll touch on that in a minute but for
00:49:05.000a moment, this is intended in no way to disparage the people of Ukraine
00:49:11.000whose suffering should be paramount in all of our thoughts and in particular
00:49:14.000without advocacy for and even demands for peace.
00:49:17.000But Ukraine is understood to be a pretty corrupt country when it comes to politics, which country isn't?
00:49:24.000So, when the United States acknowledge that they're aware of corruption in Ukraine, why are they so willing to afford a corrupt government the potential for corruption on this scale?
00:49:40.000Yeah, I mean, it's a big question because Ukraine was always notorious for its corruption, you know, in the years leading up to Russia's invasion when they used to ask Biden, you know, when is Ukraine going to be brought into NATO?
00:49:51.000And he said, well, like they got to work on corruption, which is something to hear coming from Biden, considering after the coup in 2014, that his son Hunter got a job on the state, on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company.
00:50:12.000And when this thing first started, when Russia first invaded and they started
00:50:16.000pouring these billions of dollars in weapons into Ukraine, and it's not just weapons,
00:50:21.000they also give them what they call direct budgetary aid, which is money, billions of dollars
00:50:26.000that they give to the government to pay government salaries, to pay for government services.
00:50:32.000They're actually subsidizing small businesses as well.
00:50:35.000There was a recent report on 60 Minutes and they talked to a lady who ran a knitwear company.
00:50:40.000She was showing off her sweaters that were subsidized by the American taxpayer.
00:50:45.000So there's all sorts of other ways that they're spending in this notoriously corrupt country.
00:50:51.000And they kind of downplayed that for a while in the beginning of this war
00:50:55.000and the media went along with it, but it kind of became impossible to keep hiding this.
00:51:00.000Recently, Zelensky sacked six of deputy defense ministers.
00:51:03.000That's all the deputy defense ministers.
00:51:05.000He fired them over these Reports that they were, you know buying things at inflated prices and then obviously the implication there is that they were skimming off the top So all six of them just they just got fired in September and this war has been going on for a year and a half You know, how much have they been skimming this whole time?
00:51:25.000And you know just the fact that they are doing this with all this corruption I think it goes to show that they're just determined to keep this proxy war It doesn't really matter.
00:51:36.000And there was recently a leaked document, strategy document, from the State Department and it was kind of their long-term plans for Ukraine and it was all about how they got to root out corruption, how corruption is this huge problem.
00:51:50.000So they are much more concerned about it than they're letting on.
00:51:53.000And it said that they're willing to maybe leverage some of the economic aid, but not the military aid.
00:52:27.000Yeah, so it's really kind of interesting what's going on here.
00:52:30.000So Biden wants another $24 billion to spend on this war.
00:52:35.000And it has the majority of support in Congress still, but over in the House, there is a decent amount of Republicans who are opposed.
00:52:42.000They don't want to give more money to Ukraine.
00:52:45.000And because of that, Kevin McCarthy was forced to strip Ukraine aid from this short-term funding bill that they just passed to keep the government funded.
00:52:54.000And Matt Gaetz, who is a Republican from Florida who launched the effort against McCarthy, he's been very good on Ukraine.
00:53:04.000And he launched the effort to oust McCarthy after accusing him of making a secret deal to bring the Ukraine aid to the floor for a vote.
00:53:12.000So now there's going to be a new House Speaker election that's expected to be next week.
00:53:16.000And in that time, they can't do any legislative action or at least From what I understand, a lot of this stuff is very confusing and there's a lot of procedural stuff they can do, but it's definitely disrupting things.
00:53:28.000And one of the House Speakers, one of the Republicans who has announced that he will be running for House Speaker is Jim Jordan, and he's voted against all the Ukraine stuff the whole time.
00:53:57.000They're second in line to the presidency, if the, you know, behind the vice president, if something happens to the president, if the president dies or something.
00:54:04.000So having a house speaker that's opposed to this proxy war would be very significant.
00:54:09.000Now Biden gave a speech the other day and at the end he said something, well he didn't give a speech, he was talking to some reporters, but at the end he said something like, there's other ways we could get the money, but I'm not going to talk about that right now.
00:54:20.000So unfortunately, there probably is other ways that they could keep this thing going.
00:54:25.000I wonder if you ever have time to inquire why reporting that is this specific and oppositional isn't found within the legacy media?
00:54:37.000What do you think is the importance of independent media when it comes to proposing counter-narratives?
00:54:43.000How dangerous do you think it is to present these kind of stories?
00:54:49.000I know people in our sphere that say that this is the subject that will get you cancelled,
00:54:55.000this is the subject that will get you shut down.
00:55:00.000But certainly there are interests that seem martial to assure that the legacy media maintains
00:55:07.000simply a position of simple amplification of the message of, let's call it the establishment,
00:55:14.000or normalising the agenda of the establishment, whether that's the advance of authoritarianism,
00:55:19.000the advance of potentially unnecessary wars.
00:55:23.000How is it that you get your information?
00:55:25.000Why is it that this information is kept out of the Mainstream.
00:55:29.000And how do you feel about it morally and personally?
00:55:32.000Yeah, so what's interesting is that the truth is out there.
00:55:39.000The truth, you know, you can read between the lines of the mainstream media.
00:55:43.000You know, it's what they're saying is factual, but not truthful necessarily.
00:55:49.000And a lot of times, and you know, what a big part of my job is, is reading these reports from the New York Times, Washington Post, the Times over in London, and You know, a lot of times buried in those reports are the kernels of truth, like the fact that they didn't think the counteroffensive would succeed.
00:56:06.000They would have a story about something completely unrelated, related to Ukraine, and then buried in there you see a Ukrainian official say, we don't have the weapons to do this counteroffensive.
00:56:52.000And they accuse us, the accusation that we always get, is that we're on Putin's payroll or that we're, you know, working for Russia or working for China is the new big one now.
00:57:04.000You know, we're, us at Antiwar.com, you know, we're Americans who care about our country and our people and don't want our government out there, you know, causing more destruction around the world.
00:57:16.000And we talk about these things long before it happens.
00:57:20.000You know, I haven't been doing it very long.
00:57:22.000I started working full-time in 2019, but the website antiwar.com has been around since 1995.
00:57:27.000They were writing about warning against meddling in Ukraine in the early 2000s.
00:57:32.000So we're, we're ahead of, you know, we're on top of this stuff.
00:57:35.000And then when a big thing happens like the invasion, you know, continuing what we do, we get accused of being Russian stooges or whatever, just because the narrative has completely shifted, you know, COVID kind of ended.
00:57:48.000It didn't end, but you know, the Ukraine war became the big thing as soon as Russia invaded and anybody speaking out against it got hit with this label.
00:57:56.000And thankfully things have changed just because of the reality of what's going on in the U S.
00:58:02.000And this war is dragging on and what are the results that we're seeing?
00:58:06.000It's just a stalemate and death and destruction and it's just horrific.
00:58:10.000So more people are questioning and polls are showing that the opposition is growing, thankfully.
00:58:15.000It's odd, because that's such a predictable outcome, and indeed, as you said, the reporting on antiwar.com, which I recommend all of you use and follow if you want to be well informed on this issue, has been saying, well, Ukrainian war, hold on, that could be complicated.
00:58:30.000What about the infringement of NATO on former Soviet Union territories?
00:58:35.000And when you report on that stuff, when you don't comply, when you don't follow their preferred line, you're right, they do reach for extraordinary slurs, and this one that Like, he could be a Putin apologist or a Chinese stooge.
00:58:48.000I don't even know that that actually is how things work.
00:58:52.000Like, the Chinese government would, like, approach... I mean, I have no idea what they had to say.
00:58:57.000If the Chinese government or Putin, especially what I've been through, said, listen, we're prepared to give you some support, I'd go, well, let's talk terms.
00:59:07.000You know, like, I don't think that the world works like that.
00:59:09.000I think that what's far more common is that the sort of there's a set of converging interests between legacy media and the state that are ideological but certainly financial the way that they are funded the pundits that they use it's such a sort of collaborative porous immersive and
00:59:41.000I watched, for example, recently Hillary Clinton talking to Jen Psaki on something called Inside with Jen Psaki and I thought, well, that is what it is.
01:00:41.000You can't beat Russia in wars, they're a nuclear superpower, isn't it?
01:00:43.000It's going to just drain resources and won't it endlessly escalate?
01:00:46.000I mean, one of the pledges that Biden offered was that you wouldn't see troops, like, you
01:00:53.000like you know he said US troops and as far as I know that's not necessarily happened yet.
01:00:57.000But I know that you referred to that telegraph article and I feel like the UK are putting troops into Ukraine for training purposes and there's a suggestion that BAE systems might start operating out of there.
01:01:09.000So you do see this incremental escalation that's completely at odds with even the narrative they offer you at the beginning of the Conflict!
01:01:16.000And what do you think about that aspect of it?
01:01:19.000The way that the narrative alters and shifts and amplifies?
01:01:22.000Yeah, I always think about Olaf Scholz, the German Chancellor.
01:01:26.000In, you know, the early days of the war, when they were trying to get Germany to send planes and tanks, he said, no, no, no, we're not doing it.
01:01:33.000I'm trying to prevent World War III, is what he would say.
01:02:01.000He suggested that the British troops that have been training Ukrainians inside the UK, maybe we should start doing that training inside Ukraine.
01:02:10.000And then Rishi Sunak came out the day after and he said, no, that's down, you know, that's down the line.
01:02:21.000The Times reported in April 2022 that British SAS soldiers were inside Ukraine training Ukrainian soldiers on anti-tank weapons outside of Kiev.
01:02:31.000A few months later, the New York Times reported that some NATO countries had special operations forces in Ukraine, and the UK was listed on there.
01:03:19.000So it's something to keep an eye out for, but it's worth pointing out that they've actually been there.
01:03:22.000Now, we don't know if they're still there, but based on these reports from these certain time periods, there were, you know, there's enough evidence that I believe it's safe to say there were British troops on the ground in Ukraine.
01:03:34.000Tucker Carlson, God love him, said that it's likely that there will be a hot war between the United States and Russia within a year.
01:03:45.000I really hope that he's wrong because You know that can't happen and that used to be the attitude was we can't go to war with Russia with you know can't go to war with the Soviet Union can't go to war with Russia they have thousands of nukes it can't happen but obviously that attitude has shifted now that things keep escalating I mean we're doing the US
01:04:07.000And NATO are doing everything short of having troops there fighting Russia.
01:04:12.000They're giving them all the weapons, they're giving them all the intelligence, and Russia knows this.
01:04:17.000You know, there's been all these drone attacks inside Russia, in Crimea, and they're using Western intelligence for that.
01:04:25.000Russia has, if they want to go to war with NATO, they have the pretext to bomb a NATO base in Poland.
01:04:31.000Right now, we are relying on the restraint of this madman, Vladimir Putin that they keep, you know, that's what we hear about him is that he's some sort of madman.
01:04:41.000But then they also say, oh, he's just bluffing when he's talking about nuclear weapons.
01:04:45.000So, you know, I try not to be too alarmist, but we're at the point now where if you wake up tomorrow morning and the US and Russia, NATO and Russia are at war.
01:04:58.000And, you know, I really hope that this opposition in DC and other places in Europe and Slovakia, they just elected a government that wants to end military aid to Ukraine.
01:05:10.000I hope that keeps growing because we really need to end this thing.
01:05:13.000We're at that point now where Something could spark it.
01:05:17.000You know, there's all these planes, NATO and Russian planes are always having these close encounters.
01:05:21.000There was that Ukrainian air defense missile that hit Poland last year and they said it was Russia.
01:05:29.000Again, just if we wake up and the headline is NATO at war with Russia, you know, we tried to warn you.
01:05:36.000I prefer it to some of the headlines I've seen recently.
01:05:38.000Now, the reliance on Russian restraint is... it seems extraordinary that that would be sort of part of a strategy.
01:05:47.000And the confusing messaging also around... the confusing messaging around, yeah, he's bluffing, he's mad, he's ill, all of this sort of almost antiquated 20th century propaganda.
01:06:00.000Seems extraordinarily misguided and while I'm listening to you I'm thinking so why is this important?
01:06:05.000Of course it's important because of the potential to provoke a superpower into Armageddon which is being addressed and identified as you said by the German Chancellor even Biden himself a few years ago said you know that would be the end of the world and The very point of a cold war was because a hot war was inconceivable.
01:06:21.000A proxy war is even an acknowledgement that America's imperialist interests can be better met.
01:06:28.000And these are not the interests of the American people, of course.
01:06:30.000To clarify, of the military-industrial complex and the establishment elites that masquerade behind the veil of democracy.
01:06:43.000What I wanted to say is that the reason that it's important to continually interrogate this is because we've foreclosed on the possibility of a different world, where the population of any country, yours, mine, might say, is that what I want to happen with my taxpayer dollars?
01:06:58.000If indeed, as claimed, the role of the United States is to act as emissaries and peacekeepers and referees in global conflicts that purportedly have no benefit to them, Then it ought to be at the directive of the population.
01:07:15.000Certainly, for example, the concomitant Hawaiian fires demonstrated a sort of clear public opinion preference for support on domestic issues rather than foreign wars.
01:07:27.000And the idea that that kind of conversation is equated with, you know, Putin apologism or A lack of regard for the plight of Ukrainian people is reductive and simplistic and untrue because of the sheer number of conflicts around the world that America continue to inspire, fund and enact.
01:07:45.000And I suppose when I think of what we're doing, when we're dealing with someone like you who has a particular expertise and a background and history dealing with the subject that you're dealing with, I feel like it's important to acknowledge that what we're saying is we're being misinformed and lied to and there are different ways of organizing reality.
01:08:01.000It's not like there's just some invisible trajectory that sweeps your taxpayer dollars into
01:08:09.000And it is something that should be discussed. And in order to discuss it, you have to be well
01:08:13.000informed. And in order to do that, you have to have a media that's not just amplifying the agenda
01:08:18.000of the powerful. Do you think it is conceivable that people could reject the ongoing support of
01:08:25.000this of this conflict and therefore demand a peaceful resolution? Yeah, like I said, you know,
01:08:32.000I think that the opposition is growing and we are in kind of this new media age, especially,
01:08:38.000you know, with this show, you know, being on rumble being, you know, they want to shut you
01:08:43.000down, but you have your outlets that, you know, they can't control. And
01:08:47.000And Antiwar.com is a very unique thing because, again, this website was founded in 1995 and they kind of cut their teeth opposing the NATO bombing of Kosovo.
01:08:59.000And they had sources on the ground finding out NATO, you know, was bombing civilian targets and it was kind of the first thing of its kind online.
01:09:07.000And now, since then, because of that, you know, they were targeted by the FBI, they were under FBI surveillance.
01:09:13.000Um, but now there's kind of, there's so much of this now, there's a lot available that, uh, you know, ordinary people that might not necessarily really pay attention or, or try to look for the truth, um, in these, when it comes to conflicts like this, you know, they could find it a lot easier now.
01:09:30.000Um, you could kind of stumble across it.
01:09:33.000So I think that's kind of, that's, you know, what I try to do.
01:09:36.000And the reason why I am a news editor, why I just talk about the news all day, it's my, you know, it's my focus is because if you just follow the news, if you just have the context of the events that have happened, again, it's all out there for us.
01:09:50.000you know, if you just follow along, you know, they, they lie by omission.
01:09:55.000Of course, this is what, you know, Chomsky wrote about is that, you know,
01:09:59.000one example I always think of re recently Iran seized, uh, two oil tankers in the
01:10:29.000So it's just a matter of knowing, like, it's kind of, you don't need to be super informed, just kind of be aware of what's happening.
01:10:38.000And when it comes to Ukraine, and I think it just has to be clear to more people that considering what the U.S.
01:10:44.000has done to the Middle East and North Africa for the past 20 years, you know, how can they think that they really care about Ukrainians?
01:10:52.000How can you believe that that's what this is about?
01:10:54.000So I think it's kind of just opening more people up to that reality.
01:10:59.000Yeah, and now there seems to be an appetite to... Antony Blinken said that China want to become a dominant world power and want to become sort of a hegemonic unipolar force and replace the United States.
01:13:12.000The U.S., in 1982, they released the third joint communique And that was these things they released when the US and
01:13:20.000China were normalizing relations to work out certain issues.
01:13:23.000And in this one, the US said basically that they would eventually stop selling weapons to Taiwan.
01:13:29.000Now that's open for interpretation. It's intentionally vague, the language.
01:13:34.000But this was essentially the deal that the US made.
01:13:36.000And now in recent years, arms sales have increased.
01:13:39.000And this year, President Biden, for the first time, started giving Taiwan military aid the same way he's arming Ukraine by sending weapons directly from Pentagon stockpiles.
01:13:49.000This is unprecedented in the era of U.S.-China normalized relations.
01:13:54.000And they're doing all this in the name of deterrence.
01:13:57.000They say they need to deter China from invading Taiwan, from blockading Taiwan.
01:14:03.000But if you look at the past few years, since the U.S.
01:14:06.000policy toward Taiwan sort of changed, which really happened in the Trump administration, they started loosening restrictions for official government contacts.
01:14:14.000That's another thing that really irks China, is U.S.
01:15:19.000is saying if this maritime dispute over rocks and reefs turns hot, we're going to go to war.
01:15:26.000So how is China, with respect to the U.S., not talking about its own backyard, but how is China, you know, the aggressor in this situation when the U.S.
01:15:34.000is right up to their nose there and doing all these things?
01:15:39.000And again, it's not going to deter China.
01:15:41.000If you know anything about China, you know, the century of humiliation from the opium wars to the time that Mao won the Chinese Civil War, that period where they were subjugated by the West and Japan, they call the century of humiliation.
01:16:05.000Back to the old century of humiliation that we loved so well.
01:16:09.000It is extraordinary as well to consider that something as, as you say, geographically abstract as the liberty of Taiwan, whilst it may be a righteous cause, Or be a de facto trajectory for American expenditure and endeavor rather than the subject of rigorous political and social discourse in the same way that you might imagine that participation in political matters within Ukraine would be.
01:16:40.000Similarly, once you add, as you already have, the actions of the United States in the Middle East and North Africa, it's difficult to hold together the notion But what America's role in here, a role in these potential conflicts and ongoing conflicts, is a kind of neutral, benign force, rather than a provocateur and exploiter.
01:17:04.000And so once you say the domestic population either don't understand it, don't care, or have to be propagandized into compliance with these issues, and the goal and aims of the United States are not what they claim they are, what you have there is a sort of a set of Unnecessary and unsupported lies, which leaves, I suppose, and I guess this is my final question to you, the only possibility is the kind of almost what I call the network argument, the argument from the scene in the latter third of the movie Network, when someone explains to the idealistic former news pundit, listen you idiot, do you really think
01:17:42.000Do you think you understand what the world is?
01:17:48.000And if we do not continue to assert our control over potentially malevolent forces like Russia or China, our whole way of life will be threatened.
01:17:56.000Now, I don't sort of believe they're motivated by anything so altruistic as a way of life of a nation of people or a continent of people.
01:18:03.000I think that it is total self-interest, total corruption, and leads to more conflict.
01:18:10.000But do you think there is a sort of argument for some geopolitical tectonic plates that we're almost, like the fleas on the back of the dog, unable to observe?
01:18:22.000And if we did understand it, we'd go, bloody hell, well, better the devil you know, for want of a better phrase.
01:18:28.000Yeah, well, you know, there's this problem that Americans have.
01:18:33.000We kind of have this mindset, like kind of an empire mindset, that some trouble over in Southeast Asia is, you know, our concern and for some reason our government should go over there and, you know, liberate everybody.
01:18:47.000You know, we've seen how that's worked out, you know, pretty much since the end of World War II and Vietnam and, you know, there's endless examples of all the coups in South and Central America.
01:18:58.000So I think what people just need to try to understand this issue more and when it comes to Taiwan, the thing that people always say is, you know, they point to these polls that say Taiwan does not want to join China.
01:19:11.000Everybody's against what they call, you know, unification.
01:19:15.000But what they always miss out is that the vast majority of Taiwanese, around 80% based on polls in recent years, favor the status quo.
01:19:24.000And the status quo means Taiwan not declaring that it's an independent nation, keeping things the way they are.
01:19:32.000And this policy of You know, the one China policy, it's a strange policy, but there are people in Taiwan, the main opposition party, the Kuomintang, they still consider Taiwan to be the Republic of China, not this independent country of Taiwan.
01:19:50.000And that's why I've been trying to focus on China.
01:19:52.000And because I'm, you know, this is where I get very pessimistic because a lot of these Republicans, Pretty much all of them that are good on Ukraine are all in on China.
01:20:03.000They want to send weapons to Taiwan instead of Ukraine.
01:20:06.000So that's kind of the sad reality because it does look like if a Republican wins in 2024, They're probably going to shift the focus.
01:20:14.000You know, they might wind down the proxy war in Ukraine, but they're probably going to go pretty hard when it comes to China and Taiwan.
01:20:21.000So it's something I think people really should be talking about more and trying to understand.
01:20:27.000You know, I think that's really the only hope that we have.
01:20:30.000Yeah, we need a new way, mate, because that's pretty astonishing, because you would feel that any ideals that led you to oppose the ongoing funding of the Ukraine-Russia conflict might similarly be applied to amplification of the conflict between the US and China.
01:20:46.000And the fact that it isn't just suggests that there's probably a slightly different set of financial and political interests being represented.
01:20:53.000Yeah, and one thing that's really concerning about all this is that they're preparing for war with China.
01:21:00.000They've increased bases in the Philippines, in the Pacific, Japan, you know, they're beefing up their military presence.
01:21:06.000And when they talk about it, they're not talking about a proxy war.
01:21:09.000They're talking about fighting a naval battle with China over Taiwan.
01:21:15.000a direct conflict with a nuclear power that could potentially end the world and they never talk about the risk of nuclear escalation there's been war games that show in the first just in the first few weeks tens of thousands of american sailors could be killed in this thing and and those are casualties that the u.s our country hasn't dealt with since world war ii You know, that quickly this and you know, that should be enough to say, Hey, maybe we should think of a different approach, but now they're just going full steam ahead on this thing and it's really not good.
01:21:46.000Seems a bit weird that in 2024, with the potential for human awakening and evolution, for the potential to reorganise all of our systems that now exist thanks to the miraculous technology that we're currently utilising, and the ongoing potential for individual and community change, that in a country so vast and as powerful as America, there isn't one party that hasn't got sort of as a mainstay of its focus, a potential Armageddon-inducing
01:22:10.000war. The Democrats, we'd like to provoke Russia to the point of nuclear annihilation.
01:22:16.000And the Republicans, we'd like to provoke China. You'd think that there would be room for
01:22:20.000a political movement that's like, well, we're just like gonna do whatever we need to do to
01:22:25.000ensure that there's peace between Russia and Ukraine. But our priority is going to be looking
01:22:30.000after the people of America when there's an energy crisis, a food crisis, an
01:22:34.000ideological and spiritual crisis across the nation. And as for China and Taiwan, we'll do whatever
01:22:40.000we can diplomatically, but we're not going to wade in and we'll do what we also will protect
01:22:45.000American borders and maintain a healthy military. But it seems this might be a time to
01:22:50.000I don't know what kind of entrenchment mentality can't be challenged that would lead to some plasticity and mobility there.
01:22:59.000Yeah, I mean, you know with this election coming up, I know I've a lot of friends in the Libertarian Party But realistically, you know that we are in this two-party system The Libertarians are very good now on foreign policy and they don't want to provoke war with Russia or China You also have Cornel West now running for the Green Party.
01:23:20.000I know he's good on Russia I'm sure he doesn't want to go to war over Taiwan as well and so It's, you know, looking at the 2024 election, it's just impossible to predict what's going to happen, but it looks like RFK Jr is going to go independent and he's been good on Russia and China.
01:23:35.000And I mean, if he goes independent, I think that could really change things because there's also this no labels party, which is like what I call the radical centrists.
01:23:44.000They would run somebody like Joe Manchin.
01:23:46.000You know, they, they disagree on maybe some cultural issues, but they can all get behind.
01:23:51.000But I also don't think people should hope for a federal change.
01:23:53.000they might run some, but like there might actually be kind of a election with more
01:23:58.000than two serious options and that could really change American politics.
01:24:04.000Um, but I also don't think people should hope for a federal change.
01:24:10.000I think, you know, for Americans and, and wherever you're living, you know, you
01:24:15.000gotta work out, try to be happy and free in your own life.
01:24:19.000And it's important to oppose these things and care about these things.
01:24:23.000But, you know, we can't just sit around hoping that the federal government's going to all of a sudden change.
01:24:28.000But I think there is reason to be optimistic when it comes to that.
01:24:32.000Yes, I think personal awakening is significant.
01:24:35.000People often forget that actually the part of reality you are in control of, yourself, your own perception, the way you treat your consciousness, the way you treat other people, has a potentially Earth-altering, paradigm-shifting effect and that's obviously what we're interested in and thank you for educating us with regard to this matter and for the incredible work you've done to be able to like when you start saying the opponent party in Taiwan and I'm like bloody hell and the centrist history and politics lesson Dave thanks so much mate
01:25:07.000Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Russell.
01:25:09.000I really appreciate it and keep doing what you're doing.
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