Stay Free - Russel Brand - Hang On, Did The CDC Cover Up COVID Vaccine Myocarditis Risks? - Stay Free #219

00:00:00.000 So, I'm going to go ahead and start the video. So, I'm going to go ahead and start the video.

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00:01:33.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders wherever you are.

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00:02:00.000 We have an incredible story for you today about the CDC and Myocarditis.

00:02:04.000 Dave DeCamp coming on the show as well.

00:02:06.000 He'll be talking to us about corruption in Ukraine and how the US are essentially pushing a liberal world order while claiming that China are a threat to that.

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00:03:06.000 I'm not suggesting we all move into a commune.

00:03:08.000 Not yet.

00:03:09.000 I tried that and that actually caused quite a lot of trouble.

00:03:11.000 So, hey, let's get into what's been going on in legacy media world and note how much, like, theatre ordinary politics has become.

00:03:20.000 How oddly abstracted from reason.

00:03:23.000 Like, we were talking about Canada last week because it's become some sort of Curious dystopian pilot scheme with admittedly lovely hair lately.

00:03:33.000 You know, what's happening with Jordan Peterson and the evocation of his license, the shutting down of bank accounts, throwing religious folks in jail for attending protests, calling people Nazis that aren't Nazis, calling people heroes that are Nazis.

00:03:50.000 And now look at Justin Trudeau and the leader of the so-called opposition Taking the new Speaker of the House to his position, this is like part of their politics.

00:04:00.000 It's really weird.

00:04:07.000 The irony is, if he refused to get vaccinated, they'd actually do that to him.

00:04:17.000 Isn't it so sort of odd, the theatre?

00:04:19.000 Of course, Parliament and politics has always had a degree of theatre to it.

00:04:23.000 Oratory, it's rhetoric, there are sort of teams and dramas and revelations, but now it's become almost pure theatre.

00:04:30.000 That's how you can get a Nazi applauded, because they don't sort of know what they're doing.

00:04:34.000 And this is yet another example of that apparent jacundity.

00:04:38.000 Another one of those shows of Even though he's the opposition and I'm the leader, look at how we're united in our mutual respect and love of democracy.

00:04:45.000 But it's not a love of democracy as we understand it.

00:04:48.000 Democracy as in, we are the stewards of the will of the people that pay their taxes and who really, and in truth, this country belongs to.

00:04:55.000 No, it's sort of, we pretend to come together in weird little spectacles and displays in order to service the interests of the powerful. 0.99

00:05:03.000 And apparent displays of humanity, like just seeing three guys hanging out being mates together, it's actually just a Bullshit. 0.96

00:05:10.000 And also the fellow himself, Greg Fergus.

00:05:12.000 I'm someone who really applauds the diversity and the advances of people in colour in formerly more homogenous cultures.

00:05:21.000 But actually, listen to what that guy was saying during the Trucker protest.

00:05:25.000 He's got some pretty out-there views.

00:05:27.000 This past weekend, a small minority thought it acceptable to bring swastikas... Firstly, that's not how you say it.

00:05:35.000 ...and Confederate flags to Parliament Hill.

00:05:39.000 Let's not mince words.

00:05:40.000 Well you did mince the word swastika.

00:05:42.000 The confederate flag is a symbol for slavery.

00:05:46.000 I will assume that the confederate flag was tolerated this weekend out of respect for the individual's freedom of expression.

00:05:56.000 Many people say that those swastikas, not swastikas, those swastikas, I'm sure it's swastikas, were there as a sort of ironic comment on the slide into dystopia that Canada is

00:06:08.000 demonstrating lately and it sort of seems like they are with the shutting down of the

00:06:12.000 bank accounts with the new legislation.

00:06:14.000 I mean have you even seen the new legislation? We'll get to that in a second but like just

00:06:19.000 have a look at how Justin Trudeau greets his new mate the Speaker in the House who of course

00:06:24.000 in the theatre of conventional politics which I know that you know is absolutely meaningless

00:06:29.000 now he's meant to be a neutral figure and representative of the kind of neutral symbolic

00:06:34.000 space that exists in this house of discourse where democracy is created and conducted.

00:06:39.000 But look at this weird set of facial expressions.

00:06:41.000 It makes me very uneasy.

00:06:46.000 The Red Honourable Prime Minister.

00:06:50.000 The wink, I didn't like, but it was alright.

00:06:54.000 But the tongue poke bite, I'm not at all at ease with that.

00:06:58.000 I don't know even what that means.

00:07:01.000 Will you let me know in the chat?

00:07:03.000 It scared me a bit.

00:07:05.000 And also, what's less cheeky and winky and aren't we all pals mucking around in democracy together, is this new mental law that they're introducing in Canada that's eerily similar to the online safety law that's being introduced, that's just been introduced in this country, that essentially amounts to, in order to protect you, we're gonna protect you from knowing the truth that only independent media can give you, and you will bear this in mind in the story in a minute about the CDC.

00:07:32.000 This story wouldn't be able to bring you if it were not for other independent media outlets whose reporting we are using and the very fact that they use the Freedom of Information Act to get information that's relevant to your health and your survival and your very heart.

00:07:46.000 So while that information is only reaching you because of independent media, governments in Canada, America, Australia, the UK, Ireland are introducing laws that will literally I predict prevent that from happening.

00:07:59.000 As well as dissident figures everywhere, not all of whom I agree with, are being like arrested and harassed and you're well aware of what we're going through.

00:08:06.000 It's an extraordinary time.

00:08:08.000 Glenn Greenwald tweeted, the Canadian government armed with one of the world's most repressive online censorship schemes announces that all online streaming services that offer podcasts must formally register with the government to permit regulatory controls.

00:08:21.000 What they've recognized is Dissidents, opposition, will come from online spaces.

00:08:28.000 They're going to regulate it.

00:08:29.000 In order to permit that level of regulation, they have to make you think that this space is full of murder and crime and racism and hatred and that it requires regulation.

00:08:40.000 Were you guys okay in there in the internet?

00:08:42.000 Do you need us to come in and regulate?

00:08:44.000 Oh, look at that one. 0.72

00:08:45.000 That one's a criminal. 0.99

00:08:45.000 That one was racist. 0.99

00:08:47.000 Oh, that one's... What was that one?

00:08:48.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:08:49.000 They were saying something about myocarditis.

00:08:51.000 You don't need to worry about that.

00:08:52.000 They don't care about you.

00:08:54.000 Do you understand that now?

00:08:56.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:08:57.000 I know they don't care.

00:08:58.000 I know it's a blag. 1.00

00:09:00.000 I know it's a total lie.

00:09:02.000 So, uh, this is the Online Streaming Act, which, as usual, they try to present you with some sort of friendly, cuddly, old bit of patriotism, but, as usual, it's totalitarianism in disguise.

00:09:13.000 After three ministers, five years, and dozens of amendments, the Liberal government's controversial Online Streaming Act has finally become law, and there are some big changes coming for streamers.

00:09:24.000 The law will require platforms to promote Canadian content.

00:09:28.000 require streaming services like Netflix to pay to support Canadian media content like music and TV shows.

00:09:28.000 That's good.

00:09:34.000 That's good.

00:09:35.000 Who would argue with that?

00:09:36.000 Give the CRTC broad powers over digital media companies, including the ability to impose financial penalties for violations of the Act.

00:09:45.000 Let's spend a minute on that one, shall we?

00:09:48.000 Because it sounds like what you've done is pretended that you're getting those big tech behemoths to support Canadian art.

00:09:55.000 Meanwhile, on the sly, you're introducing the ability to censor, surveil, and shut down dissident content.

00:10:01.000 Did you see how they did that?

00:10:03.000 Using literal hypnotism techniques, which we've discussed many times on our channel.

00:10:08.000 Two verifiables, then a suggestion.

00:10:10.000 We'll be helping Canada.

00:10:12.000 We'll be nice to little old ladies. 1.00

00:10:14.000 We're gonna censor you! 0.90

00:10:16.000 You're already going, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:10:17.000 What was the last one?

00:10:20.000 This is censorship, surveillance, centralized control, all under the auspices of somehow being patriotic and friendly, protecting you and helping you.

00:10:30.000 Remember, they can rely on the legacy media to amplify their message, to normalize their agenda.

00:10:36.000 You see it every day and we will never, ever tire of pointing it out to you.

00:10:41.000 Because it happens in your country, Canada.

00:10:42.000 It happens in your country, the United States of America.

00:10:45.000 Happening in our country.

00:10:46.000 Now, Rishi Sunak, if you've heard of him at all, he's our Prime Minister.

00:10:49.000 Before he was our Prime Minister, he was our Chancellor.

00:10:51.000 Before he was our Chancellor, that's the guy that's in charge of the money, he had this hedge fund that invested $500 million in what was the name of that company again?

00:10:59.000 Moderna.

00:11:00.000 And then during the pandemic, he wouldn't hand over, or he won't at least hand over now, his WhatsApp messages pertaining to his conversations, activities during the pandemic period.

00:11:12.000 Now that could just be because he was attending some of the numerous social events and parties that went on during that period, while the rest of us couldn't do that, because remember, they're concerned about your safety.

00:11:21.000 You know that, right?

00:11:22.000 Your safety.

00:11:24.000 So, is it possible that any of those WhatsApp messages contain stuff about his dealings with Moderna, or his potential profits from Moderna?

00:11:31.000 Because he certainly won't discuss any of those things, and you might think if you're English, oh well, you know, there'll be a general election soon and we can vote for Keir Starmer, who increasingly appears to be some sort of MI6 asset.

00:11:43.000 So there's no answer within this system.

00:11:45.000 The only answers are to oppose this system.

00:11:47.000 You know that already.

00:11:49.000 The Tory party, that's our sort of Republican right-wing party, are having a conference.

00:11:54.000 And my God, there was a speech by a minister called Penny Mordaunt, which I think she wants to be remembered as the stand up and fight speech.

00:12:02.000 There's nothing quite like watching someone who's poor at oratory thinking that they're good at oratory.

00:12:09.000 And let's have a look at that happening right now.

00:12:13.000 Stand up and fight for the freedoms we have won.

00:12:18.000 Stand up and fight for those freedoms we've won.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, all those freedoms.

00:12:21.000 Like, wow, during lockdown we were all so free.

00:12:24.000 I mean, while you lot were going to parties, we were free to stay in our houses and cough inside of a mask.

00:12:31.000 Against socialism, whether it is made of velvet or iron.

00:12:36.000 Have courage and conviction because when you do, you move our countrymen, our communities and capital of all kinds to our cause.

00:12:42.000 stand up and fight are on their way, let me tell you.

00:12:44.000 Have courage and conviction because when you do, you move our countrymen, our communities and capital of all kinds to

00:12:55.000 our cause.

00:12:56.000 Stand up and fight because when you stand up and fight...

00:13:03.000 It's interesting because it's like she's forgotten the meaning of what she's saying

00:13:08.000 and has just remembered the mood she was in when she's done it some previous time in front of the mirror at home with

00:13:14.000 her airbrush.

00:13:15.000 Like, because she's sort of... 0.66

00:13:17.000 Being rousing.

00:13:19.000 I'm supposed to be being rousing.

00:13:20.000 You will stand up and fight.

00:13:23.000 And also our country has this great history of political rhetoric, notably and almost definingly, of course, Winston Churchill.

00:13:31.000 Fight them on the beaches.

00:13:33.000 We will never surrender.

00:13:35.000 Victory at all costs.

00:13:36.000 It's sort of in our collective cultural memory, but it's not this.

00:13:39.000 The person beside you stands up and fights.

00:13:45.000 And when our party stands up and fights, the nation stands up and fights.

00:13:51.000 You're saying stand up and fight too much now.

00:13:53.000 I don't even, I can't even think what those words mean.

00:13:56.000 When you stand up and fight, you've got to fight for your right to our party.

00:14:04.000 Just fight itself on the fight night.

00:14:07.000 You better be alright on the night, mate.

00:14:10.000 And when our nation stands up and fights, other nations stand up and fight.

00:14:16.000 That's also not a good scenario.

00:14:18.000 Everyone's standing up and fighting.

00:14:20.000 That's not the solution.

00:14:21.000 You're trying to sort of render and engender a particular mood and atmosphere.

00:14:25.000 That sort of doesn't make sense.

00:14:26.000 Everyone's standing up and fighting.

00:14:27.000 That's hell.

00:14:29.000 And they stand up and fight for the things upon which... Yeah, these things upon which... The entire progress of humanity depends Freedom!

00:14:40.000 Oh yeah, freedom, no, that was good.

00:14:41.000 Like during the pandemic when he locked us in our houses and it turns out it didn't really work and he's mandated medicines and stay tuned, they didn't seem to work and possibly were counterproductive.

00:14:52.000 That is what conservatives do.

00:14:58.000 What?

00:15:00.000 That is what this nation does.

00:15:06.000 Have courage.

00:15:08.000 Bring hope.

00:15:10.000 Stand up and fight!

00:15:13.000 Stand up and fight!

00:15:16.000 Well I feel like it's at that point she's expecting that people will be going yeah and then not and she's thinking come on I can maybe by saying stand up and fight enough I can make them stand up and clap.

00:15:28.000 Thank you conference.

00:15:31.000 Then of course there's the the moment where it's very difficult to resist a kind of

00:15:36.000 chill going through your whole body there this all back possibly is enlightenment. While we're awash

00:15:42.000 in all this freedom that Penny Mordant has brought us through her passionate evocation of standing

00:15:47.000 up and fightingness, Lawrence Fox, an online UK commentator, has released a video of the

00:15:52.000 police in his home searching it because he mentioned that he was against certain local government

00:15:58.000 measures.

00:15:59.000 Look how many coppers there are in my house. Coming to steal everything, take everything out of my house. 1.00

00:16:05.000 That, ladies and gentlemen, is the country that we live in.

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00:16:37.000 You'll see the value of independent media in this reporting where, after a Freedom of Information Act was filed and only after that, revelations about the damage that myocarditis is doing to particular demographics was revealed by the CDC, something they consistently denied.

00:16:51.000 You won't believe this.

00:16:51.000 This is astonishing.

00:16:53.000 The pandemic is recent history.

00:16:54.000 It is defining.

00:16:55.000 It was a pivotal moment when trust between the population and our institutions really began to break down.

00:17:02.000 How can we trust the government that lied to us?

00:17:04.000 How can we trust the legacy media that amplified their message?

00:17:07.000 We simply can't.

00:17:09.000 Here's the news.

00:17:09.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:17:11.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News' videos.

00:17:14.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:17:17.000 Did the CDC cover up COVID vaccine myocarditis risk?

00:17:22.000 New emails show that they did.

00:17:24.000 How about a booster shot everyone?

00:17:28.000 Remember when it was denied that COVID vaccines potentially could increase risks of myocarditis?

00:17:35.000 Well, it did happen.

00:17:39.000 Check in with Dr. Mandy Cohen.

00:17:42.000 How about a pack of lies?

00:17:43.000 Oh, no thanks.

00:17:44.000 Dr. Mandy Cohen from the CDC.

00:17:44.000 Hi, everyone.

00:17:47.000 I wanted to talk today about the COVID-19 vaccine and kids.

00:17:51.000 Well, good.

00:17:51.000 That should be a short conversation.

00:17:52.000 While we know kids are less impacted than adults from COVID, the unfortunate news is that kids can still get sick, and sometimes really sick from COVID-19, just like adults.

00:18:03.000 You're a scientist.

00:18:04.000 How sick do you mean? 0.98

00:18:05.000 Really sick?

00:18:06.000 My God, that is scientific.

00:18:08.000 Well, thanks for the update.

00:18:09.000 And as long as there are no risks.

00:18:11.000 In fact, half of the very young kids who ended up in the intensive care unit with COVID had no underlying medical reason to make us think they would get sick.

00:18:22.000 They didn't have asthma or another underlying condition.

00:18:25.000 The COVID virus just made them really sick.

00:18:28.000 Second, the vaccine is safe for all kids over six months.

00:18:33.000 Millions of doses have been given to children and their safety has been closely tracked.

00:18:38.000 The benefits to children and teens outweigh the risks.

00:18:42.000 They just said there were no risks!

00:18:43.000 The vaccine is safe for all kids over six months.

00:18:47.000 Shouldn't be hard to outweigh with no risk.

00:18:49.000 Well, there's no risks.

00:18:50.000 Oh, it's outweighed.

00:18:51.000 I mean, that doesn't weigh anything.

00:18:53.000 I mean, I'm not a scientist, though.

00:18:55.000 Especially the risks to kids if they get COVID-19.

00:19:00.000 For example, teen boys have been up to five times as likely to have heart inflammation after having a COVID infection than after getting vaccinated.

00:19:10.000 Listen to that smiling fact and note the peculiar facial expression afterwards.

00:19:14.000 The eyes closed, the lips closed, perhaps because something is being concealed.

00:19:18.000 We'll get into that a little later.

00:19:20.000 And exactly who that group of teens that had heart disease were.

00:19:26.000 Now, I have two daughters ages 9 and 11, and we plan to get them both the updated COVID vaccine.

00:19:33.000 Well, that's good, because that's your choice as their mother.

00:19:36.000 And I agree that all parents should be able to make those kind of choices for their children, rather than mandating it at the level of the state.

00:19:43.000 Talk to your child's pediatrician or nurse practitioner about the updated COVID vaccine today.

00:19:48.000 They're certainly going to tell you what we tell them to tell you, because it's illegal for them not to.

00:19:52.000 And they can get their flu vaccine at the same time.

00:19:56.000 Ah, lovely little check-in there with Dr. Cohen.

00:19:59.000 And now, here's a check-in with some terrifying facts that you won't get from the government.

00:20:03.000 This is from Public.

00:20:04.000 The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, is encouraging everyone six months and older to get the newest

00:20:10.000 COVID-19 booster.

00:20:11.000 It's funny because it's like encouraging a six-month-old.

00:20:13.000 Come on, come on, take a shot!

00:20:15.000 I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

00:20:17.000 The benefits for children and young people far outweigh the risks, argues CDC director Mandy Cohen.

00:20:21.000 Teen boys have been up to five times as likely to have heart inflammation after having a COVID infection than after getting vaccinated, Cohen said.

00:20:29.000 Hmm, interesting.

00:20:30.000 But the best available evidence does not back up Cohen's claims.

00:20:33.000 The CDC director is relying on a highly flawed study published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly.

00:20:40.000 I read it every week.

00:20:41.000 It's a bit depressing some weeks.

00:20:43.000 Oh, these people died.

00:20:44.000 These people died.

00:20:45.000 Well, better tune in next week.

00:20:47.000 It's true that this study found teen boys ages from 12 to 17 had two to six times greater risk of heart complications after COVID infection compared to after vaccination.

00:20:56.000 But the study only looked at electronic health records which were limited to teenagers who had been admitted to the hospital or who visited a doctor.

00:21:04.000 This means the subjects of the study were not representative of the total number of boys who got Covid, the vast majority of whom never went to the doctor.

00:21:12.000 So it's a subset.

00:21:13.000 There's everyone who got COVID and didn't go to a doctor.

00:21:16.000 They're not in the study.

00:21:17.000 They're fine.

00:21:18.000 Then there's people who got COVID and went to the doctor, presumably because something was wrong.

00:21:22.000 I would say that's quite a biased subset.

00:21:24.000 And other papers show vastly different results.

00:21:27.000 A study from the American Heart Association on myocarditis, which means inflammation of the heart muscle, found that in men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher After a second dose of mRNA-1273 and after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.

00:21:44.000 So the opposite of what you've just had a gentle, lovely video explaining to you.

00:21:48.000 A Nordic study of 23 million people found that for young men ages 16 to 24, post-vaccination myocarditis rates Well, 6 to 28 times higher than myocarditis rates after COVID infection.

00:22:01.000 Seems like a pretty sizable study.

00:22:03.000 Seems like the information is less favorable if, for example, you had some ancillary benefit like selling a product or establishing dominion.

00:22:12.000 And yet that information doesn't seem to have its own friendly video, does it?

00:22:16.000 Except for this one.

00:22:25.000 Be very careful about the information that you're given because there may be, in fact always will be, an intention behind it and an agenda.

00:22:32.000 For example, right now what I'm trying to get you to do is question the information you're given by the legacy media and the state and question ways that they operate with one another.

00:22:41.000 I'm going to be telling my two daughters and my very young son Never to trust anyone in authority unless it's proven that

00:22:47.000 they have spiritual principles and values that go beyond self-interest. 0.94

00:22:52.000 You little scamps. 0.98

00:22:53.000 The study also found there were zero myocarditis cases after COVID infection in males 12 to 15.

00:23:04.000 That's an impressive figure.

00:23:04.000 Zero?

00:23:06.000 But let me weigh that up against the risk.

00:23:07.000 Oh yeah, it doesn't weigh anything because it's zero.

00:23:09.000 The consequences of vaccine-caused myocarditis can be serious.

00:23:14.000 A review of clinical records found that 96% of people under 30 diagnosed with post-vaccination myocarditis were hospitalized.

00:23:20.000 Did you hear all those noughts? 1.00

00:23:21.000 That's a lot of noughts. 0.95

00:23:23.000 from the US military, 7 out of 23 myocarditis patients continue to have chest discomfort

00:23:28.000 weeks after vaccination. Although Cohen insists that children are at high risk of serious illness,

00:23:33.000 the mean infection fatality rate of COVID for people under 20 years old is 0.0003%.

00:23:40.000 Did you hear all those noughts? That's a lot of noughts. 0.95

00:23:43.000 You can't make much money from noughts. 1.00

00:23:45.000 And hospitals have grossly inflated the reported number of children with severe COVID.

00:23:49.000 One paper found that hospital records overcounted the number of pediatric COVID hospitalizations by at least 40%.

00:23:55.000 Do you remember when they used actual Sesame Street to try and get you to take vaccinations?

00:23:59.000 You were super duper today, getting your COVID vaccine, Elmo!

00:24:04.000 Yeah!

00:24:05.000 It's extraordinary the level of propaganda that they will deploy in order to pursue an agenda and manage the information space.

00:24:12.000 What's more, a mounting body of evidence shows that the CDC and the White House chose to ignore and cover up evidence of a significant myocarditis safety signal in early 2021, putting young people at risk of serious adverse events.

00:24:23.000 How did this happen?

00:24:24.000 On the 27th of April 2021, then Director of the CDC Rochelle Walensky stated, But this was a false statement at the time.

00:24:34.000 Journalist Zachary Stiber of the Epoch Times obtained internal CDC emails for a Freedom of Information Act request, As usual, information that's only given over under incredible scrutiny and pressure and the use of the actual Freedom of Information Act, a Nordic study of 23 million people ignored, a biased study of a subset that already plainly have medical conditions or challenges at least, because they made an inquiry to a doctor, they were under medical care, is used as information that's verifiable.

00:25:00.000 What does that tell you?

00:25:02.000 I'll tell you, you know already, let me know in the chat.

00:25:04.000 Just, they get information that suits what they want to happen anyway, then they bombard you with that information, and if there's information that's like, hang on a minute, that might not be true actually, they ignore it.

00:25:13.000 They diminish it.

00:25:14.000 They de-platform it.

00:25:16.000 They shut it down.

00:25:17.000 That's how this works.

00:25:18.000 We know that now.

00:25:19.000 In fact, you can apply this to almost any news story.

00:25:22.000 Is there some reason why they would be saying these things?

00:25:22.000 Who benefits from that?

00:25:24.000 It's extraordinary how consistent it is.

00:25:26.000 When Walensky claimed not to have seen any reports, there were dozens of reports in the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

00:25:32.000 Wow, you'd think you'd look in there, like, Are there any adverse reactions?

00:25:35.000 Do we have some sort of U.S.

00:25:37.000 adverse event reporting system?

00:25:39.000 Yeah, well, let's not look in there.

00:25:41.000 Tell me how those sick kids are getting on.

00:25:42.000 They're still sick.

00:25:43.000 Is it with COVID?

00:25:44.000 Yeah, with.

00:25:45.000 Not from, but with.

00:25:46.000 Right, well, just make sure you keep that distinction opaque and confusing.

00:25:50.000 Listen, I get all my information from Morbidity and Mortality Weekly.

00:25:54.000 Not only is the information very reliable and convenient, it always cheers me up to read about those deaths.

00:26:00.000 Plus, a very handy TV guide!

00:26:01.000 Although we can't know for sure if Walensky had seen reports of post-vaccine myocarditis, a US government memorandum from March 2021, also obtained by Stieber, stated there were 27 cases of myocarditis, myoopericarditis, and pericarditis, inflammation of lining around the heart, on VAERS.

00:26:18.000 The US government conducted its VAERS search on February 23, 2021.

00:26:22.000 It's not clear who wrote the memo, and CDC refused to answer any questions on the matter.

00:26:28.000 But Walensky was copied on multiple threads discussing myocarditis, Stieber writes.

00:26:32.000 She responded to one of the threads saying the information was super helpful.

00:26:36.000 This is super helpful.

00:26:37.000 Not when I've got all morbidity and mortality to read my way through.

00:26:40.000 What about the VARs?

00:26:41.000 Stop showing me that!

00:26:43.000 I'll just put those adverse reaction reports in my special filing cabinet under the desk there and keep it nice and warm.

00:26:51.000 The CDC, notes Stieber, was warned by Israel on February the 28th, 2021 about a large number of myocarditis cases after Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination documents obtained by the Epoch Times show.

00:27:02.000 Internally, the warning was designated as high importance and set off a review of US data.

00:27:07.000 The Israeli Ministry of Health requested a joint meeting with the Food and Drug Administration, FDA, and the CDC to respond to this trend.

00:27:13.000 The Israeli national focal point is noticing a large number of reports of myocarditis, particularly in young people, following the administration of the Pfizer vaccines, the email stated.

00:27:22.000 At this point, Pfizer had only made about $50 billion in profit.

00:27:25.000 Israel was reporting post-vaccination myocarditis already in January 2021, noted Dr. Tracy Beth Herg, an epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco.

00:27:34.000 They reported two deaths associated with it in April 2021.

00:27:37.000 So it seems they were pretty stringently ignoring information that might not be helpful to the continuation of their agenda.

00:27:44.000 But that's just what I think.

00:27:45.000 Let me know in the chat what you think.

00:27:46.000 I think this was a case of Dr. Walensky stating what she was told she should say, Herg said.

00:27:51.000 I'm not sure how she would have been unaware of the Israeli Department of Defense cases.

00:27:55.000 And if she was aware, she should easily have been able to see

00:27:58.000 that the rate of cases reported was well above the baseline expected rate

00:28:02.000 in a short couple of week post-vaccination timeframe.

00:28:05.000 Emails obtained by Daily Clout suggest that the White House

00:28:08.000 may have asked about cardiac events in 2021, but the CDC reassured White House staff

00:28:13.000 that it was not a concern.

00:28:14.000 In one April 19, 2021 email, a CDC staff member wrote,

00:28:18.000 Anne S is on the deputy's call with the White House right now

00:28:21.000 and is asking if there's been any signal with pericarditis and mRNA vaccines.

00:28:27.000 They knew that, they were discussing that, continued and still yet continue to deny that association

00:28:32.000 and continue to right now, literally recently, present information as if that's not a problem,

00:28:37.000 lying in the most glib and extraordinary ways about their health and risks for your children.

00:28:43.000 This is an ongoing scandal that doesn't get investigated or reported on.

00:28:49.000 People don't spend years looking into this, do they?

00:28:51.000 Except for like the kind of journalists that we're using here from public.

00:28:54.000 Why is that?

00:28:55.000 What is the agenda?

00:28:56.000 What on earth is happening?

00:28:58.000 Answered Tom Shibakuro, Director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, Department of Defense and Israeli MOH think they have a signal for myocarditis with mRNA vaccines, but there is potentially a lot of ascertainment bias in the DoD data.

00:29:11.000 We don't have any evidence to suggest a signal or safety problem for myocarditis or pericarditis with mRNA vaccines.

00:29:18.000 Some may argue that the CDC was right to keep concerns about myocarditis from the public because the agency had not detected the safety signal itself and had reasons to suspect that the reports from Israel and the Defense Department were flawed.

00:29:29.000 But such an argument would require the CDC to conduct thorough safety surveillance.

00:29:34.000 If they had concerns that that information was flawed, they should conduct their own studies, surely.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, as Stieber discovered through his exchanges with the agency, the CDC did not begin its proportional reporting ratio statistical analysis until 2022.

00:29:46.000 Stieber also found that the CDC's v-safe self-reporting system did not include a category for myocarditis reports.

00:29:55.000 How the hell are we going to keep down these myocarditis reports?

00:29:58.000 Well, like, what if we just didn't have a category for that?

00:30:00.000 Right, the same way as we don't have a category for being hit in the face with an onion?

00:30:05.000 That's right.

00:30:05.000 Are people being hit in the face with onions?

00:30:07.000 Not yet.

00:30:08.000 Are they getting myocarditis?

00:30:09.000 All these things could be happening.

00:30:11.000 I can't have categories for everything.

00:30:12.000 Now, let's get your kids vaccinated. 1.00

00:30:15.000 Yeah, why not?

00:30:15.000 Against onions?

00:30:16.000 This means that V-safe was not able to collect survey reports of myocarditis.

00:30:21.000 There are no problems with myocarditis.

00:30:23.000 Have you got the facility to collect them?

00:30:25.000 Next question, anyone?

00:30:27.000 By May 28, 2021, email suggests Walensky had briefed the White House on myocarditis.

00:30:31.000 Dr. Walensky had mentioned a couple of updates on TTS, myocarditis, etc.

00:30:36.000 on this morning's call.

00:30:37.000 An advisor to the deputy coordinator of the White House COVID-19 response wrote, Any chance you know where we can find these papers stroke briefings?

00:30:44.000 She asked CDC staff.

00:30:47.000 In June 2021, after most people who were planning to get vaccinated had received at least one dose, the CDC began publicly investigating myocarditis and speaking to the news media about it.

00:31:01.000 It seems that it was a greater priority to ensure that people got vaccinated than to ensure that vaccinating was safe.

00:31:07.000 Herc submitted a study to the CDC's journal, oh not this, Morbility and Mortality Weekly Review, that depressing little rag, that stratified the myocarditis risk by health, removed incidental hospitalizations, and provided a more accurate estimate of the incidence of post-vaccination myocarditis in teenage boys, even though that video is still referring to the obsolete one.

00:31:27.000 Yet the CDC's journal rejected these significant results in August 2021.

00:31:31.000 An editor told Herg, I ran this by the MMWR lead editorial staff members, they felt that while the report was interesting, they did not feel there was anything that was not already relayed.

00:31:41.000 The study was eventually published in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation.

00:31:45.000 We're not making odd, arbitrary decisions about what's interesting or what's... We're not putting that in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Review!

00:31:51.000 We've got to have a bigger fish to fry! 0.92

00:31:53.000 We're doing a Sudoku on Wednesday!

00:31:55.000 MMWR tends to publish studies that back the CDC's preferred policy,

00:31:59.000 Herg told Public.

00:32:00.000 Bloody hell!

00:32:01.000 That's not very helpful.

00:32:02.000 Don't even bother having it then.

00:32:03.000 Just broadcast what they're telling you.

00:32:05.000 Even when their findings do not align with the international data and publications. 0.63

00:32:09.000 So the MMWR is bloody useless.

00:32:12.000 They just put anything in there. 0.94

00:32:13.000 I bet it doesn't even have morbidity and mortality in there.

00:32:16.000 Walensky let mumps go by after receiving a warning from the Israeli Ministry of Health, and even when more information about myocarditis became public, her agency continued to downplay the risks.

00:32:25.000 The mainstream media simply amplifies the propaganda of the state and the military-industrial complex, whereas we want to interrogate and investigate the facts so that we can bring you truth, so that we can mutually awaken together, which frankly is impossible for us to do without our commercial partners and sponsors, and by god are they loyal.

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00:33:23.000 Let's get some stickers out of this thing.

00:33:24.000 Let's go back to the egregious, awful propaganda of the mainstream media that like to pretend that what they're doing is actual news, when what they're doing is the amplification of propaganda without inquiry and question.

00:33:36.000 In November 2021, the Biden administration announced sweeping mandates for working age people, many of whom were in the group, men under 30, who would be most at risk.

00:33:44.000 Oh my God, they mandated without telling people Even I, after everything we've been through, can't really hold it together that when they were saying if you want to be a key worker in New York or if you want to do these jobs or you should be vaccinated or you should be shamed, they had understood that there were risks and they were not conveying those risks to the public.

00:34:03.000 This shows you, I think to a new degree, the lack of regard they have for your life, your Safety?

00:34:10.000 Your dignity?

00:34:11.000 Your ability to make choices for yourself?

00:34:13.000 This is actually, I think, in time we will come to regard this as a great stain on the character of our government and their agencies.

00:34:21.000 And we'll see it, I think, as a pivotal moment when trust was lost forever by almost all but the most ardent of supporters of what has come to be known as the message.

00:34:31.000 It may be that Walensky chose to disregard the safety signals from Israel and the military because she did not want to interrupt the vaccination campaign, which would be a terrible decision because the vaccination campaign isn't more important than the truth.

00:34:43.000 We've got a perfectly good vaccination campaign.

00:34:45.000 Why?

00:34:46.000 These guys on a talk show have dressed up as little syringes.

00:34:49.000 Guys, take the costume off.

00:34:51.000 Oh, it took ages to get this bit.

00:34:53.000 Velcro! 0.74

00:34:54.000 After a few reports of blood clots following Johnson & Johnson shots, the CDC placed a temporary pause on the company's vaccine.

00:35:00.000 How keen were they that we take these vaccines, that they're blood clots?

00:35:03.000 Okay, pause.

00:35:04.000 Just don't tell anyone about that.

00:35:06.000 Get the vaccine costume on!

00:35:07.000 Doing something similar for Pfizer or Moderna might have brought the whole vaccine rollout to a halt.

00:35:12.000 Those of you that during that period thought, something unusual is happening, this doesn't seem right.

00:35:17.000 Well, if they had responded to the available evidence, they would have had to have paused.

00:35:23.000 Because it seems the most obvious alternative to that is a kind of group psychopathy.

00:35:28.000 If their version of the truth isn't true, and now we know that it isn't, then the kind of speculative available possibilities are terrifying, aren't they?

00:35:36.000 CDC is making these false claims either because they truly do not know how to evaluate the scientific methodology, or because they are trying to encourage people to get vaccinated, or both, said Herg.

00:35:44.000 CDC director Cohen insists on boosting young people because to do otherwise would be an admission that there is a serious safety risk for this age group, something our agency has consistently denied.

00:35:54.000 So ideology is actually usurping pragmatism and even safety.

00:36:00.000 That's where we are now.

00:36:01.000 Their rhetoric was always follow the science, but in practice they were following an ideology and actually ignoring significant science.

00:36:08.000 To this day, the CDC has not released complete updated data on myocarditis.

00:36:12.000 I've been scanning the pages of Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Review and there's nothing in there.

00:36:12.000 What?

00:36:18.000 Why is that not in there?

00:36:19.000 After the Defense Department did the responsible thing and reported cases of myocarditis to the CDC in 2021, It ended up considering the CDC's guidance to be definitive anyway and defaulted to that guidance.

00:36:30.000 Oh my god, they got it once, they ignored it, they got it again, they ignored it again!

00:36:34.000 The department went on to mandate these vaccines for healthy young adults.

00:36:37.000 We're now in a really interesting territory.

00:36:39.000 They've twice been warned that there was a risk and then they mandated vaccines for young adults.

00:36:45.000 So what does that tell you?

00:36:47.000 What's the legacy media doing that they're not investigating this?

00:36:50.000 This is like Watergate, this is Iran-Contra, this is a deep deep scandal that's just a few years ago and you wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for independent media.

00:36:59.000 Independent media is the only chance we have of gaining access to this.

00:37:04.000 If there wasn't independent media I wouldn't know this.

00:37:07.000 I wouldn't know this now.

00:37:08.000 I'd sort of think, that was weird what went on then and I don't trust the government anyway.

00:37:11.000 I've never trusted them.

00:37:12.000 I don't trust the legacy media because I've worked in media and I know what they're like and I know what they do.

00:37:17.000 But now, because of independent media, we have access to actual facts.

00:37:22.000 Good job that there aren't a raft of legislature being passed around the world to prevent independent media from being able to communicate, isn't it?

00:37:30.000 Oh, wow.

00:37:31.000 This was absolute madness, Herg said, given a complete lack of data to support this and the fact we were knowingly asking young people, particularly males, to take risks with their heart.

00:37:39.000 Bloody hell.

00:37:40.000 The booster has not undergone thorough clinical trials in humans and the US is, so far, the only country that's recommending it for infants as young as six months old.

00:37:49.000 And we only know this because of, like, freedom of information demands made by independent media organisations.

00:37:54.000 So there's limits.

00:37:55.000 And there's gonna be more revealed.

00:37:57.000 Unless, of course, independent media is attacked and undermined and dissenting voices everywhere are, like, literally arrested and shut down.

00:38:04.000 I don't know.

00:38:05.000 Just keep your eyes peeled.

00:38:06.000 Most members of the public believed that the CDC and the FDA would conduct sufficient safety monitoring.

00:38:11.000 But you know when sometimes, like, someone like Vivek Ramaswamy or RFK say that if I were president, I would get rid of the FBI, I'd get rid of the CIA.

00:38:11.000 We did, didn't we?

00:38:19.000 Well, you've got to look at, like, the FDA, you've got to look at the CDC.

00:38:23.000 Basically, all of these government agencies have plainly become co-opted by something, it seems to me.

00:38:27.000 I don't think they're evil people, actually.

00:38:29.000 When I look at that Mandy Cohen, I think she seems sort of lovely, actually.

00:38:32.000 So something must be going on.

00:38:34.000 Something weird must be happening.

00:38:36.000 Some level of deep systemic corruption that bypasses individual humans' inherent sense of moral goodness, which I actually believe we all have.

00:38:44.000 These institutions are faced with a massive backlash.

00:38:44.000 Still.

00:38:47.000 As a result, fewer and fewer people get vaccinated with each new booster.

00:38:51.000 But outrage is not enough.

00:38:52.000 Congress should hold hearings on this to get to the bottom of what happened and consider subpoenaing.

00:38:56.000 The emails between the CDC and White House which have only been released in heavily redacted form to Daily Clout.

00:39:02.000 Of course they're heavily redacted because the information in there is terrifying.

00:39:06.000 That redacted information concerned a party that we were holding for your birthday and you ruined it!

00:39:15.000 You're just like mortality and morbidity weekly review.

00:39:21.000 Until our public health agencies and regulators are massively reformed, we will continue to see the same irresponsible behaviour from officials.

00:39:27.000 Change may come from Europe.

00:39:29.000 Don't hold your breath.

00:39:29.000 Due to the high risk of myocarditis after Moderna, several European countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany and France, suspended the use of the Moderna vaccine for people under

00:39:39.000 32 years ago.

00:39:40.000 I didn't even really know that.

00:39:42.000 And the UK has moved to make boosters only freely available to people over 65 and those

00:39:46.000 in high-risk groups.

00:39:47.000 Many European countries have made the decision to prioritise the wellbeing of young people

00:39:51.000 over vaccine mania.

00:39:53.000 It's time for the US to do the same.

00:39:55.000 It was a kind of mania.

00:39:57.000 It is a kind of mania.

00:39:58.000 In spite of all of the rhetoric and language around science, in spite of the mandates, the reassurances, the ridicule that people that were sceptical faced, it turns out that on two significant occasions, vital information was ignored in order to simply advance the vaccine campaign.

00:40:13.000 That's how it seems, doesn't it?

00:40:15.000 Looking at this information that was only obtained using a Freedom of Information Act, otherwise you wouldn't have it.

00:40:20.000 Without independent media you won't get access to that type of information because the legacy media will not report it.

00:40:26.000 The legacy media will amplify the message of the CDC and the appropriate agencies because they've been gutted and they have a convergent set of interests with those agencies.

00:40:36.000 So what I can take from this is remain deeply skeptical about what you're told in the mainstream media, deeply suspicious of it, don't trust authority, but recognize this is a significant time of change.

00:40:46.000 The world is changing and it's changing fast.

00:40:49.000 We can't have one foot in each camp anymore.

00:40:51.000 We're fully in this.

00:40:52.000 This is a time where radical change is required and we need to organize immediately against what seems to me unimaginable corruption.

00:40:59.000 But that's just what I think.

00:41:00.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:41:01.000 See you in a second.

00:41:11.000 Without that freedom of information request we wouldn't know the truth about myocarditis and its links to vaccine and vaccine injury which given that we're still on YouTube but we're demonetized by the government and big tech We can talk about it openly, I think.

00:41:26.000 And while we're celebrating journalism, independence, truth-telling, I'm excited to introduce Dave DeCamp, the news editor at Antiwar.com and host of Antiwar News, whose content we continually use because of his intrepid personal principles.

00:41:42.000 Because remember, when journalism used to mean investigating the actions of the powerful, that we can attack the establishment, that we can build new systems together.

00:41:50.000 Dave, thank you so much for joining us.

00:41:52.000 Thanks for having me, Russell.

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00:42:18.000 Mate, one of the things that you've been reporting on is this sort of curious story that in spite of propaganda, there's been little shift in territorial control in Ukraine.

00:42:28.000 There's been incredible loss of life and it seems incredible opportunity for profit.

00:42:32.000 So what are these new revelations about there being very little in the way of territorial shift reveal?

00:42:38.000 Yeah, so Ukraine launched its big counter offensive back in June and you know there's been a lot of kind of media report with a bit of a slant trying to portray that Ukraine is gaining territory and that they are you know that they do have a chance of winning this thing and they have been gaining some very you know incremental areas but a recent report from the New York Times that looked over at all the territory that's changed hands This year in 2023, it showed that Russia has actually gained more territory this year.

00:43:08.000 But overall, it's a very small amount of territory.

00:43:11.000 Only 500 square miles has changed hands.

00:43:14.000 Russia gained about 300 and the Ukrainian side about 183.

00:43:20.000 So those small little areas, I mean, if you look at the map, it really shows, you know, the front lines have barely changed.

00:43:26.000 And in that time, you know, hundreds of thousands of people have likely been killed.

00:43:31.000 We don't know the casualties for sure on either side because it's kind of a strange thing that we don't know how many people are actually being killed because both sides are hiding their casualty figures.

00:43:42.000 But it's pretty clear, and from people that I trust, they believe hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have been killed this year alone.

00:43:49.000 And lots of Russians are being killed as well.

00:43:52.000 And this is a war that the U.S.

00:43:55.000 and NATO have chosen to continue.

00:43:57.000 The really infuriating thing about this is that before the Ukrainian counteroffensive, the Discord leaks came out.

00:44:04.000 And one of those leaks revealed that the U.S.

00:44:07.000 did not believe Ukraine could regain much territory.

00:44:10.000 And there was other signs, you know, officials speaking to the New York Times anonymously, really kind of buried in their reports.

00:44:17.000 We're saying, yeah, we don't think that they have what it takes.

00:44:20.000 They don't have enough weapons.

00:44:21.000 Russia has really dug in.

00:44:22.000 Russia spent the last winter really strengthening their defenses.

00:44:28.000 So they knew it wouldn't be successful, and they pushed for it anyway.

00:44:31.000 Right before the counter-offensive started, Secretary of State Antony Blinken came out and gave this big speech against a ceasefire.

00:44:38.000 And he actually, he didn't just say he opposed the ceasefire, he opposed the pause in fighting.

00:44:43.000 He disparaged other countries that were calling for peace.

00:44:47.000 So this is what we're dealing with and now months later that the lines have barely moved and so many people are dead, they're determined to keep this thing going.

00:44:56.000 That's what's really, you know, they just want an open-ended conflict.

00:44:59.000 They want to turn Ukraine into this huge NATO bulwark on Russia's border.

00:45:06.000 Even in his recent address to the UN, Biden said that Russia and Russia alone can end this war.

00:45:13.000 Russia solitarily and solely are the cause of this war. 0.90

00:45:18.000 And as you point out, even to talk of peace is regarded as a kind of militaristic heresy.

00:45:29.000 I wonder what you think the significance is of Lockheed Martin, for example, announcing profit opportunities for up to $10 billion and what the likely motivations of this war are if we're not seeing significant territorial shift and it isn't the counter offensive didn't succeed.

00:45:48.000 What does this tell us about the motivations?

00:45:51.000 Well, yeah, there's certainly a profit motive here.

00:45:54.000 I mean, the U.S.

00:45:55.000 and the U.K.

00:45:57.000 actually recently, according to a report from the Telegraph, the British are apparently out of weapons to send to Ukraine.

00:46:04.000 But by dumping all of these weapons in there, you know, this gives the arms makers like Lockheed Martin, like Raytheon, you know, they're replenishing all these stockpiles.

00:46:13.000 You have all the Eastern European countries, especially Poland,

00:46:17.000 really increasing their military budget.

00:46:20.000 I mean, it's a total boon for them.

00:46:22.000 And sometimes, you know, they're very candid about it.

00:46:26.000 If you remember Alexey Reznikov, who was Zelensky's defense minister who was recently fired, he said, you know,

00:46:35.000 I invite all the Western defense contractors to test their weapons in Ukraine.

00:46:39.000 You know, he opened his country as a testing ground for weapons. 0.96

00:46:43.000 There was recently a report in the Wall Street Journal that said Ukraine is one giant arms fair.

00:46:49.000 And it was talking about how specifically Lockheed Martin, you know, when it comes to the weapons makers in the U.S.

00:46:54.000 and the U.K., the heavy hitters is always Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

00:46:58.000 Of course, there's others, BAE Systems and Northrop Grumman.

00:47:02.000 But Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, or they call them RTX now, they're really making money.

00:47:07.000 And the HIMARS rocket systems that the US has given Ukraine, they're in hot demand now.

00:47:13.000 They were made by Lockheed Martin.

00:47:14.000 The Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, those are the ones that could fire off their shoulder.

00:47:18.000 They were obsolete.

00:47:20.000 They stopped making them in the 90s.

00:47:22.000 And now all of a sudden, there's a hot demand for them.

00:47:24.000 And they're starting to make them again.

00:47:26.000 They're calling in engineers who worked in like the 80s, like old guys that are retired to help get the, Production going.

00:47:32.000 So it's very clear.

00:47:33.000 And who's running this thing is Biden's defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, who came from the board of Raytheon.

00:47:40.000 Literally his job before running the Pentagon was at Raytheon.

00:47:42.000 So it's very obvious that this is a big part of this whole thing is the money to be made on these weapons and it's complete corruption and cronyism.

00:47:51.000 I'm astonished to see that sort of the nostalgia craze for the 80s and 90s has reached actual

00:47:56.000 militarism, that it's like sort of speak and spell and Simon Says war weaponry from Tomy

00:48:04.000 and MB Games, like the kind of nostalgia craze that you see in our sort of love of serials

00:48:11.000 like Lucky Charms is extended to bazookas.

00:48:13.000 What a terrifying and extraordinary situation.

00:48:16.000 When you said that the Ukraine is like an arms fair, I was reminded of the Spanish Civil

00:48:22.000 Wars potential function as a kind of trial for the subsequent global war, i.e. in particular

00:48:30.000 that the fascists were supported by Nazi weaponry, particularly from the air and stuff.

00:48:39.000 And it seems to me that these kind of practices have always been available.

00:48:45.000 military technology is piloted in potentially lesser conflicts prior to,

00:48:52.000 it's staggering to consider given that Russia are one of the combatant nations,

00:48:57.000 even bigger conflicts, even involving China potentially when you talk about

00:49:02.000 what's going on with Taiwan and perhaps we'll touch on that in a minute but for

00:49:05.000 a moment, this is intended in no way to disparage the people of Ukraine

00:49:11.000 whose suffering should be paramount in all of our thoughts and in particular

00:49:14.000 without advocacy for and even demands for peace.

00:49:17.000 But Ukraine is understood to be a pretty corrupt country when it comes to politics, which country isn't?

00:49:24.000 So, when the United States acknowledge that they're aware of corruption in Ukraine, why are they so willing to afford a corrupt government the potential for corruption on this scale?

00:49:40.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a big question because Ukraine was always notorious for its corruption, you know, in the years leading up to Russia's invasion when they used to ask Biden, you know, when is Ukraine going to be brought into NATO?

00:49:51.000 And he said, well, like they got to work on corruption, which is something to hear coming from Biden, considering after the coup in 2014, that his son Hunter got a job on the state, on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company.

00:50:04.000 So I always have to point that out.

00:50:06.000 You know, Biden shouldn't really be talking about corruption.

00:50:09.000 But anyway, it was well known.

00:50:12.000 And when this thing first started, when Russia first invaded and they started 0.81

00:50:16.000 pouring these billions of dollars in weapons into Ukraine, and it's not just weapons,

00:50:21.000 they also give them what they call direct budgetary aid, which is money, billions of dollars

00:50:26.000 that they give to the government to pay government salaries, to pay for government services.

00:50:32.000 They're actually subsidizing small businesses as well.

00:50:35.000 There was a recent report on 60 Minutes and they talked to a lady who ran a knitwear company.

00:50:40.000 She was showing off her sweaters that were subsidized by the American taxpayer.

00:50:45.000 So there's all sorts of other ways that they're spending in this notoriously corrupt country.

00:50:51.000 And they kind of downplayed that for a while in the beginning of this war

00:50:55.000 and the media went along with it, but it kind of became impossible to keep hiding this.

00:51:00.000 Recently, Zelensky sacked six of deputy defense ministers.

00:51:03.000 That's all the deputy defense ministers.

00:51:05.000 He fired them over these Reports that they were, you know buying things at inflated prices and then obviously the implication there is that they were skimming off the top So all six of them just they just got fired in September and this war has been going on for a year and a half You know, how much have they been skimming this whole time?

00:51:25.000 And you know just the fact that they are doing this with all this corruption I think it goes to show that they're just determined to keep this proxy war It doesn't really matter.

00:51:36.000 And there was recently a leaked document, strategy document, from the State Department and it was kind of their long-term plans for Ukraine and it was all about how they got to root out corruption, how corruption is this huge problem.

00:51:50.000 So they are much more concerned about it than they're letting on.

00:51:53.000 And it said that they're willing to maybe leverage some of the economic aid, but not the military aid.

00:51:58.000 That doesn't matter.

00:51:59.000 Even though, of course, there's the risk of these rockets being sold to all sorts of people.

00:52:03.000 You know, they could end up all over the world, but it just doesn't matter.

00:52:07.000 They just want to keep this thing going.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, it's extraordinary.

00:52:10.000 Isn't it possible that the recent changes with the House Speaker will mean a delay for this additional $24 billion of funding?

00:52:22.000 Is that possible?

00:52:23.000 Is that good?

00:52:25.000 Is it valuable in any way?

00:52:27.000 Yeah, so it's really kind of interesting what's going on here.

00:52:30.000 So Biden wants another $24 billion to spend on this war.

00:52:35.000 And it has the majority of support in Congress still, but over in the House, there is a decent amount of Republicans who are opposed.

00:52:42.000 They don't want to give more money to Ukraine.

00:52:45.000 And because of that, Kevin McCarthy was forced to strip Ukraine aid from this short-term funding bill that they just passed to keep the government funded.

00:52:54.000 And Matt Gaetz, who is a Republican from Florida who launched the effort against McCarthy, he's been very good on Ukraine.

00:53:01.000 He has opposed it from the beginning.

00:53:04.000 And he launched the effort to oust McCarthy after accusing him of making a secret deal to bring the Ukraine aid to the floor for a vote.

00:53:12.000 So now there's going to be a new House Speaker election that's expected to be next week.

00:53:16.000 And in that time, they can't do any legislative action or at least From what I understand, a lot of this stuff is very confusing and there's a lot of procedural stuff they can do, but it's definitely disrupting things.

00:53:28.000 And one of the House Speakers, one of the Republicans who has announced that he will be running for House Speaker is Jim Jordan, and he's voted against all the Ukraine stuff the whole time.

00:53:38.000 So this is significant.

00:53:40.000 I was kind of more pessimistic for a while saying, you know, they're all going to support it, they're going to keep this thing going.

00:53:46.000 But what's happening here is not insignificant.

00:53:48.000 If the house speaker, the third person, the third, the house speaker is the third highest level official in the U.S.

00:53:56.000 government.

00:53:57.000 They're second in line to the presidency, if the, you know, behind the vice president, if something happens to the president, if the president dies or something.

00:54:04.000 So having a house speaker that's opposed to this proxy war would be very significant.

00:54:09.000 Now Biden gave a speech the other day and at the end he said something, well he didn't give a speech, he was talking to some reporters, but at the end he said something like, there's other ways we could get the money, but I'm not going to talk about that right now.

00:54:20.000 So unfortunately, there probably is other ways that they could keep this thing going.

00:54:25.000 I wonder if you ever have time to inquire why reporting that is this specific and oppositional isn't found within the legacy media?

00:54:37.000 What do you think is the importance of independent media when it comes to proposing counter-narratives?

00:54:43.000 How dangerous do you think it is to present these kind of stories?

00:54:49.000 I know people in our sphere that say that this is the subject that will get you cancelled,

00:54:55.000 this is the subject that will get you shut down.

00:54:58.000 Other people think it's Big Pharma.

00:55:00.000 But certainly there are interests that seem martial to assure that the legacy media maintains

00:55:07.000 simply a position of simple amplification of the message of, let's call it the establishment,

00:55:14.000 or normalising the agenda of the establishment, whether that's the advance of authoritarianism,

00:55:19.000 the advance of potentially unnecessary wars.

00:55:23.000 How is it that you get your information?

00:55:25.000 Why is it that this information is kept out of the Mainstream.

00:55:29.000 And how do you feel about it morally and personally?

00:55:32.000 Yeah, so what's interesting is that the truth is out there.

00:55:39.000 The truth, you know, you can read between the lines of the mainstream media.

00:55:43.000 You know, it's what they're saying is factual, but not truthful necessarily.

00:55:49.000 And a lot of times, and you know, what a big part of my job is, is reading these reports from the New York Times, Washington Post, the Times over in London, and You know, a lot of times buried in those reports are the kernels of truth, like the fact that they didn't think the counteroffensive would succeed.

00:56:06.000 They would have a story about something completely unrelated, related to Ukraine, and then buried in there you see a Ukrainian official say, we don't have the weapons to do this counteroffensive.

00:56:16.000 We can't do this.

00:56:18.000 And the media goes along with the narrative, even though they might be reporting on factual things, it's about narrative control.

00:56:26.000 And you see that with the unprovoked invasion claim, which is one of the, you know, they're trying to change language.

00:56:33.000 They're trying to say it's unprovoked, even though everything's provoked.

00:56:37.000 I mean, murder's provoked generally, unless somebody's a sociopath, but it's always provoked.

00:56:43.000 And recently, Jens Stoltenberg, the head of NATO, he said, He basically said Putin invaded because he didn't want NATO in Ukraine.

00:56:51.000 And that's the head of NATO.

00:56:52.000 And they accuse us, the accusation that we always get, is that we're on Putin's payroll or that we're, you know, working for Russia or working for China is the new big one now.

00:57:02.000 And it's just complete nonsense.

00:57:04.000 You know, we're, us at Antiwar.com, you know, we're Americans who care about our country and our people and don't want our government out there, you know, causing more destruction around the world.

00:57:15.000 That's our priority.

00:57:16.000 And we talk about these things long before it happens.

00:57:20.000 You know, I haven't been doing it very long.

00:57:22.000 I started working full-time in 2019, but the website antiwar.com has been around since 1995.

00:57:27.000 They were writing about warning against meddling in Ukraine in the early 2000s.

00:57:32.000 So we're, we're ahead of, you know, we're on top of this stuff.

00:57:35.000 And then when a big thing happens like the invasion, you know, continuing what we do, we get accused of being Russian stooges or whatever, just because the narrative has completely shifted, you know, COVID kind of ended.

00:57:48.000 It didn't end, but you know, the Ukraine war became the big thing as soon as Russia invaded and anybody speaking out against it got hit with this label.

00:57:56.000 And thankfully things have changed just because of the reality of what's going on in the U S.

00:58:02.000 And this war is dragging on and what are the results that we're seeing?

00:58:06.000 It's just a stalemate and death and destruction and it's just horrific.

00:58:10.000 So more people are questioning and polls are showing that the opposition is growing, thankfully.

00:58:15.000 It's odd, because that's such a predictable outcome, and indeed, as you said, the reporting on antiwar.com, which I recommend all of you use and follow if you want to be well informed on this issue, has been saying, well, Ukrainian war, hold on, that could be complicated.

00:58:29.000 What about the 2014 coup?

00:58:30.000 What about the infringement of NATO on former Soviet Union territories?

00:58:35.000 And when you report on that stuff, when you don't comply, when you don't follow their preferred line, you're right, they do reach for extraordinary slurs, and this one that Like, he could be a Putin apologist or a Chinese stooge.

00:58:48.000 I don't even know that that actually is how things work.

00:58:52.000 Like, the Chinese government would, like, approach... I mean, I have no idea what they had to say.

00:58:57.000 If the Chinese government or Putin, especially what I've been through, said, listen, we're prepared to give you some support, I'd go, well, let's talk terms.

00:59:06.000 What are you saying?

00:59:07.000 You know, like, I don't think that the world works like that.

00:59:09.000 I think that what's far more common is that the sort of there's a set of converging interests between legacy media and the state that are ideological but certainly financial the way that they are funded the pundits that they use it's such a sort of collaborative porous immersive and

00:59:31.000 That's outrageous.

00:59:41.000 I watched, for example, recently Hillary Clinton talking to Jen Psaki on something called Inside with Jen Psaki and I thought, well, that is what it is.

00:59:49.000 It is inside.

00:59:50.000 It's inside the system amplifying its message.

00:59:54.000 And they talked about like, you know, as we know, Putin meddles in elections.

00:59:58.000 As we know, Putin is an authoritarian dictator, this is an unprovoked war.

01:00:03.000 And all there are in terms of interlocution and communication is just the nodding along.

01:00:09.000 That is the function of the media.

01:00:11.000 You don't see questions asked like, you won't ever get you interviewing Antony Blinken,

01:00:17.000 you won't get you interviewing Hillary Clinton or any figure in power because they avoid

01:00:24.000 those questions.

01:00:25.000 I mean, beyond avoiding them, they delegitimize that line of inquiry.

01:00:29.000 They smear any form of dissent, presumably because when this war started, a lot of people

01:00:36.000 would have gone, oh, what, Ukraine, Russia, that's going to go on for ages and ages, isn't

01:00:40.000 it?

01:00:41.000 You can't beat Russia in wars, they're a nuclear superpower, isn't it?

01:00:43.000 It's going to just drain resources and won't it endlessly escalate?

01:00:46.000 I mean, one of the pledges that Biden offered was that you wouldn't see troops, like, you

01:00:53.000 like you know he said US troops and as far as I know that's not necessarily happened yet.

01:00:57.000 But I know that you referred to that telegraph article and I feel like the UK are putting troops into Ukraine for training purposes and there's a suggestion that BAE systems might start operating out of there.

01:01:09.000 So you do see this incremental escalation that's completely at odds with even the narrative they offer you at the beginning of the Conflict!

01:01:16.000 And what do you think about that aspect of it?

01:01:19.000 The way that the narrative alters and shifts and amplifies?

01:01:22.000 Yeah, I always think about Olaf Scholz, the German Chancellor.

01:01:26.000 In, you know, the early days of the war, when they were trying to get Germany to send planes and tanks, he said, no, no, no, we're not doing it.

01:01:33.000 I'm trying to prevent World War III, is what he would say. 0.74

01:01:35.000 I'm trying to prevent nuclear war.

01:01:37.000 Well, now he's allowed the transfer of planes.

01:01:41.000 He's allowed, they're sent the German-made Leopard tanks.

01:01:44.000 So, you know, is he taking his country toward World War III?

01:01:48.000 By his previous logic, he is.

01:01:50.000 And you mentioned the troops.

01:01:53.000 So, recently, your new defense secretary, Schaps, I'm kind of blanking on his name.

01:01:58.000 Grant Schaps.

01:02:00.000 Grant Schaps.

01:02:01.000 He suggested that the British troops that have been training Ukrainians inside the UK, maybe we should start doing that training inside Ukraine.

01:02:10.000 And then Rishi Sunak came out the day after and he said, no, that's down, you know, that's down the line.

01:02:15.000 Don't worry about it.

01:02:16.000 You know, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

01:02:19.000 British troops have been in Ukraine.

01:02:21.000 The Times reported in April 2022 that British SAS soldiers were inside Ukraine training Ukrainian soldiers on anti-tank weapons outside of Kiev.

01:02:31.000 A few months later, the New York Times reported that some NATO countries had special operations forces in Ukraine, and the UK was listed on there.

01:02:40.000 And the U.S.

01:02:41.000 also has a handful of special operations forces, and you know, that was revealed by the Discord leaks.

01:02:46.000 They have about 14 according to this leak, this leaked Pentagon document, and the British had 50, which is a significant presence.

01:02:55.000 That's not just embassy security.

01:02:58.000 So they're there doing things, and there's also CIA on the ground, of course, and we don't know what they're doing.

01:03:03.000 That's part of the Transparency issue, um, you know, they could be doing who knows how close they are to the front lines.

01:03:11.000 But if the UK started sending troops openly, that would be another very big escalation.

01:03:11.000 We don't know.

01:03:19.000 So it's something to keep an eye out for, but it's worth pointing out that they've actually been there.

01:03:22.000 Now, we don't know if they're still there, but based on these reports from these certain time periods, there were, you know, there's enough evidence that I believe it's safe to say there were British troops on the ground in Ukraine.

01:03:34.000 Tucker Carlson, God love him, said that it's likely that there will be a hot war between the United States and Russia within a year.

01:03:43.000 What do you think about that?

01:03:45.000 I really hope that he's wrong because You know that can't happen and that used to be the attitude was we can't go to war with Russia with you know can't go to war with the Soviet Union can't go to war with Russia they have thousands of nukes it can't happen but obviously that attitude has shifted now that things keep escalating I mean we're doing the US

01:04:07.000 And NATO are doing everything short of having troops there fighting Russia.

01:04:12.000 They're giving them all the weapons, they're giving them all the intelligence, and Russia knows this.

01:04:17.000 You know, there's been all these drone attacks inside Russia, in Crimea, and they're using Western intelligence for that.

01:04:23.000 Russia knows it.

01:04:25.000 Russia has, if they want to go to war with NATO, they have the pretext to bomb a NATO base in Poland. 0.97

01:04:31.000 Right now, we are relying on the restraint of this madman, Vladimir Putin that they keep, you know, that's what we hear about him is that he's some sort of madman. 0.76

01:04:41.000 But then they also say, oh, he's just bluffing when he's talking about nuclear weapons.

01:04:45.000 So, you know, I try not to be too alarmist, but we're at the point now where if you wake up tomorrow morning and the US and Russia, NATO and Russia are at war.

01:04:55.000 You know, don't be surprised.

01:04:57.000 It's not going to be a shock.

01:04:58.000 And, you know, I really hope that this opposition in DC and other places in Europe and Slovakia, they just elected a government that wants to end military aid to Ukraine.

01:05:10.000 I hope that keeps growing because we really need to end this thing.

01:05:13.000 We're at that point now where Something could spark it.

01:05:17.000 You know, there's all these planes, NATO and Russian planes are always having these close encounters.

01:05:21.000 There was that Ukrainian air defense missile that hit Poland last year and they said it was Russia.

01:05:27.000 You know, it's just where we're at.

01:05:29.000 Again, just if we wake up and the headline is NATO at war with Russia, you know, we tried to warn you.

01:05:36.000 I prefer it to some of the headlines I've seen recently.

01:05:38.000 Now, the reliance on Russian restraint is... it seems extraordinary that that would be sort of part of a strategy.

01:05:47.000 And the confusing messaging also around... the confusing messaging around, yeah, he's bluffing, he's mad, he's ill, all of this sort of almost antiquated 20th century propaganda.

01:06:00.000 Seems extraordinarily misguided and while I'm listening to you I'm thinking so why is this important?

01:06:05.000 Of course it's important because of the potential to provoke a superpower into Armageddon which is being addressed and identified as you said by the German Chancellor even Biden himself a few years ago said you know that would be the end of the world and The very point of a cold war was because a hot war was inconceivable.

01:06:21.000 A proxy war is even an acknowledgement that America's imperialist interests can be better met.

01:06:28.000 And these are not the interests of the American people, of course.

01:06:30.000 To clarify, of the military-industrial complex and the establishment elites that masquerade behind the veil of democracy.

01:06:39.000 You've seen the show before, right?

01:06:40.000 This is what we talk about.

01:06:43.000 What I wanted to say is that the reason that it's important to continually interrogate this is because we've foreclosed on the possibility of a different world, where the population of any country, yours, mine, might say, is that what I want to happen with my taxpayer dollars?

01:06:58.000 If indeed, as claimed, the role of the United States is to act as emissaries and peacekeepers and referees in global conflicts that purportedly have no benefit to them, Then it ought to be at the directive of the population.

01:07:15.000 Certainly, for example, the concomitant Hawaiian fires demonstrated a sort of clear public opinion preference for support on domestic issues rather than foreign wars.

01:07:27.000 And the idea that that kind of conversation is equated with, you know, Putin apologism or A lack of regard for the plight of Ukrainian people is reductive and simplistic and untrue because of the sheer number of conflicts around the world that America continue to inspire, fund and enact.

01:07:45.000 And I suppose when I think of what we're doing, when we're dealing with someone like you who has a particular expertise and a background and history dealing with the subject that you're dealing with, I feel like it's important to acknowledge that what we're saying is we're being misinformed and lied to and there are different ways of organizing reality.

01:08:01.000 It's not like there's just some invisible trajectory that sweeps your taxpayer dollars into

01:08:06.000 the sort of profitable war machine.

01:08:09.000 And it is something that should be discussed. And in order to discuss it, you have to be well

01:08:13.000 informed. And in order to do that, you have to have a media that's not just amplifying the agenda

01:08:18.000 of the powerful. Do you think it is conceivable that people could reject the ongoing support of

01:08:25.000 this of this conflict and therefore demand a peaceful resolution? Yeah, like I said, you know,

01:08:32.000 I think that the opposition is growing and we are in kind of this new media age, especially,

01:08:38.000 you know, with this show, you know, being on rumble being, you know, they want to shut you

01:08:43.000 down, but you have your outlets that, you know, they can't control. And

01:08:47.000 And Antiwar.com is a very unique thing because, again, this website was founded in 1995 and they kind of cut their teeth opposing the NATO bombing of Kosovo.

01:08:59.000 And they had sources on the ground finding out NATO, you know, was bombing civilian targets and it was kind of the first thing of its kind online.

01:09:07.000 And now, since then, because of that, you know, they were targeted by the FBI, they were under FBI surveillance.

01:09:13.000 Um, but now there's kind of, there's so much of this now, there's a lot available that, uh, you know, ordinary people that might not necessarily really pay attention or, or try to look for the truth, um, in these, when it comes to conflicts like this, you know, they could find it a lot easier now.

01:09:30.000 Um, you could kind of stumble across it.

01:09:33.000 So I think that's kind of, that's, you know, what I try to do.

01:09:36.000 And the reason why I am a news editor, why I just talk about the news all day, it's my, you know, it's my focus is because if you just follow the news, if you just have the context of the events that have happened, again, it's all out there for us.

01:09:50.000 you know, if you just follow along, you know, they, they lie by omission.

01:09:55.000 Of course, this is what, you know, Chomsky wrote about is that, you know,

01:09:59.000 one example I always think of re recently Iran seized, uh, two oil tankers in the

01:10:04.000 Persian Gulf.

01:10:05.000 If back in, I believe it was around April or May.

01:10:08.000 And the context that was missing from that story was that a couple of weeks

01:10:13.000 before that the U. S. 0.95

01:10:15.000 stole a shipment of Iranian oil.

01:10:17.000 They forced an oil tanker to sail to the U.S.

01:10:19.000 and they stole the oil.

01:10:20.000 So they seized the tanker and Iran responded.

01:10:23.000 And you don't hear about what caused it, what provoked it.

01:10:27.000 They never want to include that.

01:10:29.000 So it's just a matter of knowing, like, it's kind of, you don't need to be super informed, just kind of be aware of what's happening.

01:10:38.000 And when it comes to Ukraine, and I think it just has to be clear to more people that considering what the U.S.

01:10:44.000 has done to the Middle East and North Africa for the past 20 years, you know, how can they think that they really care about Ukrainians?

01:10:52.000 How can you believe that that's what this is about?

01:10:54.000 So I think it's kind of just opening more people up to that reality.

01:10:59.000 Yeah, and now there seems to be an appetite to... Antony Blinken said that China want to become a dominant world power and want to become sort of a hegemonic unipolar force and replace the United States.

01:11:16.000 I feel like, is that true?

01:11:17.000 Is that how China are behaving?

01:11:20.000 I'm sure they have their own imperialism, colonialism, tyranny, corruption, of course, I'm sure.

01:11:25.000 But do you think that there is an agenda?

01:11:28.000 I mean, if I imagine for a minute that it was the US that was surrounded by Chinese military bases

01:11:35.000 rather than the opposite, or if US or if China were agitating in some sort of off-coast

01:11:42.000 former territory to meddle with the economic affairs as is happening with Taiwan and the

01:11:47.000 semiconductors and stuff, I feel that would be regarded as extreme hostility.

01:11:55.000 What do you think about this attempt to portray China as an aggressor?

01:12:00.000 Am I being naive?

01:12:00.000 Is it unfair?

01:12:01.000 Optimistic?

01:12:02.000 What's going on?

01:12:04.000 If you look at what U.S.

01:12:05.000 policy is right now towards China, when we're speaking militarily, they're not trying to prevent China from taking over the world.

01:12:12.000 They're trying to prevent China from being the hegemon in Southeast Asia, a few hundred miles off their coast.

01:12:21.000 That's what the U.S. 0.84

01:12:22.000 is focused on is Taiwan and the South China Sea.

01:12:26.000 And, you know, it's very clear that China, what China has been doing in a lot of instances is a reaction to what the U.S.

01:12:34.000 is doing, especially in Taiwan.

01:12:35.000 I mean, Taiwan, it's an issue that's tough to talk about briefly because it's kind of complicated, but when the U.S.

01:12:43.000 and China normalized relations in 1979, the deal was the U.S.

01:12:48.000 would pull their troops out of Taiwan.

01:12:49.000 They would not recognize Taiwan as a country.

01:12:53.000 And they would not flirt with Taiwan's independence.

01:12:57.000 They would, you know, it's an issue for Chinese people in China and mainland China and Taiwan to work out.

01:13:05.000 But in recent years, we've seen, especially when Nancy Pelosi went over there, the U.S. 0.96

01:13:10.000 is increasing military aid.

01:13:12.000 The U.S., in 1982, they released the third joint communique And that was these things they released when the US and

01:13:20.000 China were normalizing relations to work out certain issues.

01:13:23.000 And in this one, the US said basically that they would eventually stop selling weapons to Taiwan.

01:13:29.000 Now that's open for interpretation. It's intentionally vague, the language.

01:13:34.000 But this was essentially the deal that the US made.

01:13:36.000 And now in recent years, arms sales have increased.

01:13:39.000 And this year, President Biden, for the first time, started giving Taiwan military aid the same way he's arming Ukraine by sending weapons directly from Pentagon stockpiles.

01:13:49.000 This is unprecedented in the era of U.S.-China normalized relations.

01:13:54.000 And they're doing all this in the name of deterrence.

01:13:57.000 They say they need to deter China from invading Taiwan, from blockading Taiwan.

01:14:03.000 But if you look at the past few years, since the U.S.

01:14:06.000 policy toward Taiwan sort of changed, which really happened in the Trump administration, they started loosening restrictions for official government contacts.

01:14:14.000 That's another thing that really irks China, is U.S.

01:14:18.000 and Taiwanese officials talking.

01:14:21.000 In that time, as the U.S.

01:14:23.000 has increased that military and diplomatic support, we've seen a lot more Chinese military activity around Taiwan.

01:14:29.000 China held their largest ever military drills around Taiwan when Nancy Pelosi went over there. 0.66

01:14:35.000 Nancy Pelosi's visit provoked that.

01:14:38.000 So this is the pattern.

01:14:39.000 And it doesn't matter really how you feel about Taiwan, if they should be independent or not, if you're in the U.S.

01:14:47.000 It's just the reality.

01:14:48.000 The more the U.S. 0.96

01:14:49.000 does this, the more military pressure Taiwan's going to come under and the more likely a war is going to be.

01:14:55.000 Same thing in the South China Sea.

01:14:56.000 There's this maritime dispute.

01:14:58.000 China makes very sweeping claims to the South China Sea.

01:15:01.000 There's little encounters between Chinese and Philippine vessels.

01:15:04.000 The U.S.

01:15:05.000 has a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines.

01:15:07.000 Whenever a Chinese coast guard boat cuts off a Philippine boat, The U.S.

01:15:12.000 comes out and says the U.S.

01:15:14.000 Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines applies to attacks on vessels in the South China Sea.

01:15:18.000 So that means the U.S.

01:15:19.000 is saying if this maritime dispute over rocks and reefs turns hot, we're going to go to war.

01:15:26.000 So how is China, with respect to the U.S., not talking about its own backyard, but how is China, you know, the aggressor in this situation when the U.S.

01:15:34.000 is right up to their nose there and doing all these things?

01:15:39.000 And again, it's not going to deter China.

01:15:41.000 If you know anything about China, you know, the century of humiliation from the opium wars to the time that Mao won the Chinese Civil War, that period where they were subjugated by the West and Japan, they call the century of humiliation.

01:15:55.000 So it's a very sensitive thing.

01:15:57.000 It's their nationalistic identity is all this stuff.

01:16:00.000 So they're not going to just give it up.

01:16:01.000 They're not going to say, oh, the Americans are here.

01:16:03.000 All right, we'll back off.

01:16:05.000 Back to the old century of humiliation that we loved so well.

01:16:09.000 It is extraordinary as well to consider that something as, as you say, geographically abstract as the liberty of Taiwan, whilst it may be a righteous cause, Or be a de facto trajectory for American expenditure and endeavor rather than the subject of rigorous political and social discourse in the same way that you might imagine that participation in political matters within Ukraine would be.

01:16:40.000 Similarly, once you add, as you already have, the actions of the United States in the Middle East and North Africa, it's difficult to hold together the notion But what America's role in here, a role in these potential conflicts and ongoing conflicts, is a kind of neutral, benign force, rather than a provocateur and exploiter.

01:17:04.000 And so once you say the domestic population either don't understand it, don't care, or have to be propagandized into compliance with these issues, and the goal and aims of the United States are not what they claim they are, what you have there is a sort of a set of Unnecessary and unsupported lies, which leaves, I suppose, and I guess this is my final question to you, the only possibility is the kind of almost what I call the network argument, the argument from the scene in the latter third of the movie Network, when someone explains to the idealistic former news pundit, listen you idiot, do you really think 0.79

01:17:42.000 Do you think you understand what the world is? 1.00

01:17:44.000 This is what there is.

01:17:45.000 There's not nations anymore.

01:17:46.000 There is money.

01:17:47.000 There is power.

01:17:48.000 And if we do not continue to assert our control over potentially malevolent forces like Russia or China, our whole way of life will be threatened.

01:17:56.000 Now, I don't sort of believe they're motivated by anything so altruistic as a way of life of a nation of people or a continent of people.

01:18:03.000 I think that it is total self-interest, total corruption, and leads to more conflict.

01:18:10.000 But do you think there is a sort of argument for some geopolitical tectonic plates that we're almost, like the fleas on the back of the dog, unable to observe? 0.86

01:18:22.000 And if we did understand it, we'd go, bloody hell, well, better the devil you know, for want of a better phrase.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, well, you know, there's this problem that Americans have.

01:18:33.000 We kind of have this mindset, like kind of an empire mindset, that some trouble over in Southeast Asia is, you know, our concern and for some reason our government should go over there and, you know, liberate everybody.

01:18:47.000 You know, we've seen how that's worked out, you know, pretty much since the end of World War II and Vietnam and, you know, there's endless examples of all the coups in South and Central America.

01:18:58.000 So I think what people just need to try to understand this issue more and when it comes to Taiwan, the thing that people always say is, you know, they point to these polls that say Taiwan does not want to join China.

01:19:11.000 Everybody's against what they call, you know, unification.

01:19:15.000 But what they always miss out is that the vast majority of Taiwanese, around 80% based on polls in recent years, favor the status quo.

01:19:24.000 And the status quo means Taiwan not declaring that it's an independent nation, keeping things the way they are.

01:19:32.000 And this policy of You know, the one China policy, it's a strange policy, but there are people in Taiwan, the main opposition party, the Kuomintang, they still consider Taiwan to be the Republic of China, not this independent country of Taiwan.

01:19:48.000 So it's a confusing issue.

01:19:50.000 And that's why I've been trying to focus on China.

01:19:52.000 And because I'm, you know, this is where I get very pessimistic because a lot of these Republicans, Pretty much all of them that are good on Ukraine are all in on China.

01:20:03.000 They want to send weapons to Taiwan instead of Ukraine.

01:20:06.000 So that's kind of the sad reality because it does look like if a Republican wins in 2024, They're probably going to shift the focus.

01:20:14.000 You know, they might wind down the proxy war in Ukraine, but they're probably going to go pretty hard when it comes to China and Taiwan.

01:20:21.000 So it's something I think people really should be talking about more and trying to understand.

01:20:27.000 You know, I think that's really the only hope that we have.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, we need a new way, mate, because that's pretty astonishing, because you would feel that any ideals that led you to oppose the ongoing funding of the Ukraine-Russia conflict might similarly be applied to amplification of the conflict between the US and China.

01:20:46.000 And the fact that it isn't just suggests that there's probably a slightly different set of financial and political interests being represented.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, and one thing that's really concerning about all this is that they're preparing for war with China.

01:21:00.000 They've increased bases in the Philippines, in the Pacific, Japan, you know, they're beefing up their military presence.

01:21:06.000 And when they talk about it, they're not talking about a proxy war.

01:21:09.000 They're talking about fighting a naval battle with China over Taiwan.

01:21:15.000 a direct conflict with a nuclear power that could potentially end the world and they never talk about the risk of nuclear escalation there's been war games that show in the first just in the first few weeks tens of thousands of american sailors could be killed in this thing and and those are casualties that the u.s our country hasn't dealt with since world war ii You know, that quickly this and you know, that should be enough to say, Hey, maybe we should think of a different approach, but now they're just going full steam ahead on this thing and it's really not good.

01:21:46.000 Seems a bit weird that in 2024, with the potential for human awakening and evolution, for the potential to reorganise all of our systems that now exist thanks to the miraculous technology that we're currently utilising, and the ongoing potential for individual and community change, that in a country so vast and as powerful as America, there isn't one party that hasn't got sort of as a mainstay of its focus, a potential Armageddon-inducing

01:22:10.000 war. The Democrats, we'd like to provoke Russia to the point of nuclear annihilation. 0.59

01:22:16.000 And the Republicans, we'd like to provoke China. You'd think that there would be room for

01:22:20.000 a political movement that's like, well, we're just like gonna do whatever we need to do to

01:22:25.000 ensure that there's peace between Russia and Ukraine. But our priority is going to be looking

01:22:30.000 after the people of America when there's an energy crisis, a food crisis, an

01:22:34.000 ideological and spiritual crisis across the nation. And as for China and Taiwan, we'll do whatever 0.96

01:22:40.000 we can diplomatically, but we're not going to wade in and we'll do what we also will protect

01:22:45.000 American borders and maintain a healthy military. But it seems this might be a time to

01:22:49.000 reprioritize.

01:22:50.000 I don't know what kind of entrenchment mentality can't be challenged that would lead to some plasticity and mobility there.

01:22:59.000 Yeah, I mean, you know with this election coming up, I know I've a lot of friends in the Libertarian Party But realistically, you know that we are in this two-party system The Libertarians are very good now on foreign policy and they don't want to provoke war with Russia or China You also have Cornel West now running for the Green Party.

01:23:20.000 I know he's good on Russia I'm sure he doesn't want to go to war over Taiwan as well and so It's, you know, looking at the 2024 election, it's just impossible to predict what's going to happen, but it looks like RFK Jr is going to go independent and he's been good on Russia and China.

01:23:35.000 And I mean, if he goes independent, I think that could really change things because there's also this no labels party, which is like what I call the radical centrists.

01:23:44.000 They would run somebody like Joe Manchin.

01:23:46.000 You know, they, they disagree on maybe some cultural issues, but they can all get behind.

01:23:51.000 But I also don't think people should hope for a federal change.

01:23:53.000 they might run some, but like there might actually be kind of a election with more

01:23:58.000 than two serious options and that could really change American politics.

01:24:04.000 Um, but I also don't think people should hope for a federal change.

01:24:10.000 I think, you know, for Americans and, and wherever you're living, you know, you

01:24:15.000 gotta work out, try to be happy and free in your own life.

01:24:19.000 And it's important to oppose these things and care about these things.

01:24:23.000 But, you know, we can't just sit around hoping that the federal government's going to all of a sudden change.

01:24:28.000 But I think there is reason to be optimistic when it comes to that.

01:24:32.000 Yes, I think personal awakening is significant.

01:24:35.000 People often forget that actually the part of reality you are in control of, yourself, your own perception, the way you treat your consciousness, the way you treat other people, has a potentially Earth-altering, paradigm-shifting effect and that's obviously what we're interested in and thank you for educating us with regard to this matter and for the incredible work you've done to be able to like when you start saying the opponent party in Taiwan and I'm like bloody hell and the centrist history and politics lesson Dave thanks so much mate

01:25:07.000 Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Russell.

01:25:09.000 I really appreciate it and keep doing what you're doing.

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