Stay Free - Russel Brand - Hang On, The CIA Are Recruiting Russians For WHAT?! - #132 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 I'm going to be a veteran on the second floor. I'm going to roll a deal. So I'm looking for the steel. I'm looking for

00:00:07.000 the steel.

00:00:07.000 I'm going to roll a deal. I'm going to roll a deal. I'm going to roll a deal. I'm going

00:00:28.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:39.000 You are awakening, you are wonderful, and today we are going to implement your enlightenment further by simply telling you the truth as best as we understand it about a wide variety of subjects.

00:00:51.000 The CIA, for example... I'll take these off, I feel embarrassed now.

00:00:53.000 The CIA... They look quite cool, I thought.

00:00:55.000 They're cool, aren't they?

00:00:56.000 All right, I'll put them back on.

00:00:57.000 I've crumbled to clear pressure there.

00:01:00.000 What about there, and then I can... No, no, you've ruined it. 1.00

00:01:03.000 Stupid. 1.00

00:01:04.000 The CIA are recruiting Russian spies in Russia. 1.00

00:01:07.000 I suppose it's a good place to get them.

00:01:08.000 It's the best place.

00:01:09.000 There's loads of them.

00:01:10.000 They're ten a penny, or whatever their money is over there.

00:01:13.000 Well, it's not the worst thing that's happening.

00:01:15.000 There's that whole war, and the CIA sending over propaganda via the YouTube, of course.

00:01:20.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, we're going to do the first 15 minutes or so, then we have to kick off.

00:01:24.000 On to Rumble exclusively to give you new information, I'm afraid, about ventilators being used in the pandemic and the efficacy of them.

00:01:33.000 We're also going to be talking to you about, well, hold on, I've got loads of things I want to tell you about.

00:01:38.000 Big Pharma?

00:01:39.000 Yep.

00:01:40.000 Rampant corporate lawlessness costing America 40 billion.

00:01:43.000 The new Fauci!

00:01:45.000 The new, new, new, the new Fauci!

00:01:47.000 We're going to be telling you a lot about the new Fauci.

00:01:49.000 We spoke about it yesterday, didn't we?

00:01:51.000 I'm not going to rehash.

00:01:52.000 I'm not going to reprise everything that I've told you.

00:01:56.000 Why would you?

00:01:57.000 What's the point of that?

00:01:58.000 What is the point exactly?

00:01:58.000 Make it look weird?

00:02:00.000 You remember what we told you in yesterday's show.

00:02:02.000 It's up on Rumble now.

00:02:04.000 Go and have a look at it again.

00:02:05.000 If you've not learned about the new Fauci from what we told you yesterday, I wonder if there's any hope for you.

00:02:10.000 Gareth, do you know that you get wishes for these little guys?

00:02:12.000 You're not going to blow those in my eyes, are you?

00:02:13.000 I was going to, but I shan't now.

00:02:16.000 When we go to Disney World, it establishes that we live in a crazy, crazy world, as I believe it was Baudrillard who said.

00:02:23.000 Ah, yes.

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 Did you see my sunglasses?

00:02:26.000 He go, Baudrillard, the fact that there's a Disney World in America distracts you from the fact that Disney World is America.

00:02:34.000 If you have a sort of a ludicrous space that's contained within America that sort of You forget?

00:02:40.000 Hold on a minute, this mall's exactly like that!

00:02:43.000 My whole world is this sort of weird simulation.

00:02:45.000 We're in the Truman Show right now, baby!

00:02:48.000 What kind of simulacrum do you think you're living in?

00:02:51.000 Anyway, Disney World, what's funny about Disney World is it can't sort of stay within its own parameters, like, you know, there's always a mouse taking its head off and scratching itself under the armpit, or, like, someone being sick, or those tunnels under it where dead bodies are carried around and all of that.

00:03:05.000 Is that a conspiracy?

00:03:06.000 I think it probably is.

00:03:07.000 Oh, is it?

00:03:07.000 It's true!

00:03:09.000 All right, I made it sound worse on purpose.

00:03:11.000 But what it is, is if someone dies in Disney World, which people do, because they die everywhere, because one of the things we keep ignoring is that we're all going to die, because we can't cope with it, because we can't confront our own temporality, because then we have to sort of think, well, what's the point in spending all your time in vanity and competition, when in fact all that matters is love and those rare moments of love and relief that you feel in this world?

00:03:33.000 Anyway... You know what?

00:03:36.000 That was very childish!

00:03:37.000 That could have given me hay fever!

00:03:40.000 You could have hay fevered me then!

00:03:42.000 Plus, you've left me barely two wishes.

00:03:47.000 Right, like, when someone dies, they transport them in a tunnel under the ground.

00:03:52.000 Of course they do.

00:03:53.000 I've heard this.

00:03:53.000 Even like that song in Little Mermaid.

00:03:55.000 Under the ground, under the ground, all the cadavers and things you'd rather that people did not see, yeah.

00:04:03.000 Also, when there's brawls down Disney between... What's really weird about this mainstream media news story and a brawl in Disneyland, or world, is the way they keep sort of going like there's a family and a larger family.

00:04:13.000 We can't work out if it's a family of people that are large or just a family of greater number, can we?

00:04:18.000 Or that they're called the larger family.

00:04:20.000 There's three things.

00:04:20.000 Right, they could be called that.

00:04:21.000 Let us know in the chat comments which you think it is.

00:04:24.000 Let's watch these people beating each other. 1.00

00:04:26.000 up for the privilege of having a photograph next to, I guess, Donald Duck.

00:04:30.000 Yeah. Could be him or maybe it's one of the mermaids.

00:04:33.000 It could be, yeah, one of those little, the little one. Let's have a look.

00:04:36.000 An all-out brawl at Disney World.

00:04:39.000 All-out brawls.

00:04:40.000 It's an interesting adjective.

00:04:41.000 It's like it's not a tempered brawl.

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 Brawl! 0.72

00:04:45.000 I say that's a tautology because brawl already suggests that it's out of control.

00:04:49.000 Sure.

00:04:50.000 An all-out brawl.

00:04:51.000 A desperate brawl.

00:04:53.000 An awful, violent, aggressive brawl.

00:04:53.000 Yes.

00:04:55.000 Yeah.

00:04:56.000 Where are we going?

00:04:57.000 Right.

00:04:57.000 Come on, news.

00:04:58.000 We're going Disney World, then the Epcot Center, which is frankly going to be a disappointment.

00:05:02.000 It's not the type of thrill fam was expected to see earlier this week.

00:05:06.000 Natalie is back with what unfolded in what is called Well, like it says, it's not the type of thing families expect to see at Disney World.

00:05:12.000 No, I don't think it is.

00:05:13.000 What were you expecting?

00:05:15.000 Oh, Mickey Mouse, one of those rides, they're brilliant.

00:05:17.000 Uh, is the third one people beating each other up?

00:05:19.000 Yeah, I would hope so.

00:05:21.000 I'd like to see Doc and Snoopy and Dodo and all those guys kicking each other up the ball bag.

00:05:27.000 Yeah, well, of course, it says Mickey Mayhem.

00:05:29.000 They've just gone for alliteration.

00:05:31.000 They've had all that time to work on that as well.

00:05:32.000 Are Fox News reporting on it because, like, you know, they love Ron DeSantis, they don't like Disney's... Interesting.

00:05:38.000 ...wokeness at Disney?

00:05:40.000 I wonder, I wonder.

00:05:41.000 Like, Disney World can't sustain... Oh, that's not very woke.

00:05:44.000 A brawl.

00:05:44.000 Yes.

00:05:45.000 Yes.

00:05:45.000 Where's your wokeness now?

00:05:47.000 I know.

00:05:48.000 The happiest place on earth.

00:05:49.000 Don and Corey, you expect lines at Disney World, even when you want to get that perfect photo.

00:05:54.000 But apparently one family...

00:05:56.000 You expect lines at Disney World, even when you want to get that perfect photo.

00:06:03.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:06:05.000 But not a brawl?

00:06:07.000 Because they're, like, for a photo?

00:06:07.000 No.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, those lines.

00:06:10.000 I mean, you do expect lines.

00:06:10.000 Oh, it's a line.

00:06:11.000 I expect that.

00:06:12.000 But a brawl?

00:06:13.000 For the perfect photo?

00:06:15.000 Just couldn't wait.

00:06:18.000 Screams and people throwing punches at Magic Kingdom.

00:06:22.000 It's crazy.

00:06:23.000 You pay, like, to take your kids to the most magical place in the world.

00:06:27.000 Because what it is, mate, is it's not the most magical place in the world.

00:06:29.000 It's corporate exercise.

00:06:30.000 It's a crushing disappointment.

00:06:32.000 They're going to fill you up with sugar and disappointment.

00:06:34.000 It's going to be awful.

00:06:36.000 The brawl is merely the expression of the sublimated reality.

00:06:40.000 You're frustrated.

00:06:41.000 You're bored.

00:06:42.000 It's not as good as you thought it was going to be.

00:06:44.000 Nothing's as good as you thought it would be.

00:06:45.000 The promises and pledges that have been made to you by the free market capitalist corporatized system Are going to remain unfulfilled.

00:06:52.000 What happened when you went to Disney World?

00:06:54.000 Do you imagine that you're ever going to come back from Disney World and say this?

00:06:57.000 It was really easy to park.

00:06:59.000 We breezed in.

00:07:00.000 There were no lines anywhere.

00:07:01.000 I had the most delightful picture stood next to Goofy. 0.97

00:07:05.000 There weren't other frustrated people on antidepressants scrambling around on the floor in ennui and desperation because all of their dreams, not just this one, have been crushed by an unloving What elements of it would be the most magical place on Earth?

00:07:19.000 Of those things you've just listed, the queues, the, like, oh, it's just, there's an awful atmosphere in parts of Disney World, isn't there?

00:07:26.000 Space Mountain, like, like maybe when you sort of, like, say if you go in a shop and you see a lot of cuddly toys for sale.

00:07:32.000 I quite like that.

00:07:32.000 Yeah.

00:07:33.000 They're very expensive, though.

00:07:33.000 Right.

00:07:35.000 Very.

00:07:35.000 Of course they are.

00:07:36.000 Magically expensive.

00:07:36.000 Magical.

00:07:40.000 Wow!

00:07:40.000 The fox and the hound!

00:07:42.000 This bill is so magical!

00:07:44.000 With Mickey Mouse money, they can't spend nowhere.

00:07:46.000 I went to Disneyland.

00:07:47.000 No, I know.

00:07:48.000 Twice.

00:07:49.000 Right.

00:07:49.000 I went when I was little with my dad.

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 No, I liked it, I think.

00:07:53.000 I seem to think I liked it.

00:07:54.000 That's a classic parental thing to do, isn't it?

00:07:58.000 And especially, like, your mum and dad weren't so... Divorced dad.

00:08:00.000 Right.

00:08:01.000 So what, I take you to Disney World?

00:08:02.000 You're gonna love it, son!

00:08:04.000 I don't like it here!

00:08:05.000 I'm confused!

00:08:06.000 Nah, you're gonna love it!

00:08:07.000 Where's mummy?

00:08:08.000 Why don't you love mummy? 0.76

00:08:10.000 I'm gonna get in a brawl!

00:08:10.000 What's going on?

00:08:12.000 You're gonna be right proud of your father, you are!

00:08:14.000 Here, do you reckon that princess is single?

00:08:18.000 I don't know, Daddy.

00:08:19.000 What do you mean?

00:08:21.000 Don't let none of this influence you, will you?

00:08:23.000 I don't know.

00:08:23.000 I don't suppose I shall.

00:08:25.000 Take me to Epcot.

00:08:26.000 I want to go to Small World and learn about different cultures.

00:08:29.000 What goes on in Japan, Dad?

00:08:31.000 And I have to stand and watch other people fight over a photo. 0.99

00:08:34.000 It's just ridiculous. 1.00

00:08:39.000 Get that son of a b****! 1.00

00:08:41.000 Get that son of a gun! 1.00

00:08:43.000 I think that'd be my favourite bit.

00:08:45.000 That's the bit you would talk about, isn't it?

00:08:46.000 Yeah, because it's the, as you suggested, it's the kind of physical manifestation of the internal feelings that you feel when you experience all the problems that come with going to Disneyland.

00:08:57.000 You want reality, really?

00:08:59.000 We're craving some moment of the real.

00:09:00.000 Although many people, many philosophers will say there's only so much reality we can take, what we're actually, I think, all craving is a sense of something natural and actual.

00:09:09.000 Like, not suspended on some meaningless conveyor belt, your life on rails.

00:09:14.000 And Disney World is promising for you that it can synthesize a pleasant experience, but actually they can't deliver that for you.

00:09:20.000 What they're going to have is a brawl that actually looked quite good.

00:09:23.000 Why don't they double down on that?

00:09:25.000 Come to Disneyland and watch people kick each other to death in a state of... Yeah, Fight Club.

00:09:30.000 The main thing, the first rule of Disney World, don't talk about Disney World.

00:09:30.000 Yeah, Fight Club.

00:09:34.000 Second is, we've overpriced a lot of our merchandise.

00:09:37.000 We've had to do that for over... It's simply necessary.

00:09:40.000 Listen, we are unable to continue to broadcast on YouTube for these simple reasons.

00:09:45.000 We're about to talk about the CIA, right?

00:09:48.000 They're trying to recruit Russian spies.

00:09:50.000 That's what they're trying to do.

00:09:51.000 Best place to do that, Russia. 1.00

00:09:53.000 You should see their mad propaganda video, though.

00:09:55.000 You can still see it.

00:09:56.000 It's still up on YouTube.

00:09:57.000 What you won't know about is Putin's response.

00:09:59.000 What you won't know about yet, unless you were watching the show yesterday, is Big Pharma's recklessness and the new falchion.

00:10:06.000 Yes, we told you about her in detail yesterday.

00:10:08.000 But we're not going to rehash that, but we're just going to skim over some of the finer points, aren't we, Gav?

00:10:11.000 That's right.

00:10:12.000 It'll be a skim.

00:10:13.000 But it's just a skim.

00:10:14.000 It's only a skim.

00:10:14.000 It's just a skim.

00:10:15.000 A light glaze.

00:10:17.000 It's a light drizzle.

00:10:19.000 Just drizzle it.

00:10:22.000 Wait a minute!

00:10:23.000 What's that drizzle made of?

00:10:24.000 Just pinch a gland like that, squeeze it, get all the squid ink out for the pasta sauce. 0.93

00:10:30.000 That's right.

00:10:31.000 Get that squid ink out.

00:10:32.000 Where did you get that squid ink?

00:10:34.000 From a gland.

00:10:35.000 Where else would you get squid ink?

00:10:36.000 Anyway, how ever do you get a CIA agent in Russia?

00:10:40.000 That's how you do it, darling.

00:10:40.000 Propaganda.

00:10:42.000 Listen, if you're watching this on YouTube, join us on Rumble right now.

00:10:45.000 We've got so much coming up.

00:10:46.000 New Fauci, Big Pharma's lawlessness costing you 40 billion dollars.

00:10:51.000 Your views in an item we call Freech.

00:10:53.000 Football is nice where we talk about the beauty contained within football.

00:10:57.000 So much to talk about we can't talk about on YouTube.

00:10:59.000 Simply, not because of hate speech, because we Because of actual love speech, and true love brings people together against the establishment, and they're not going to allow that, baby.

00:11:07.000 See you over on Rumble, there's a link in the description.

00:11:09.000 And, by the way, if you're already on Rumble, press the red button now and join us on Locals.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, keep coming deeper! 0.53

00:11:15.000 And if you're on Locals, come here!

00:11:17.000 In person! 0.93

00:11:18.000 And if you're already here, blow dandelion stuff in my face! 0.69

00:11:21.000 Come and live with me, maybe! 0.96

00:11:23.000 Clamber inside of my mind.

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:25.000 Like the Phantom of the Opera's inside your mind.

00:11:29.000 That's where he is.

00:11:30.000 Yeah.

00:11:31.000 Inside my mind, the Phantom.

00:11:31.000 Where's the Phantom of the Opera?

00:11:37.000 How on earth do you recruit CIA agents in Moscow in this day and age?

00:11:42.000 I mean, the irony of us coming off YouTube is that you can literally see this video on YouTube.

00:11:47.000 Yeah, but not like this, baby.

00:11:48.000 I know.

00:11:49.000 Not with that.

00:11:50.000 Putin's a tolerant man.

00:11:50.000 What's Putin?

00:11:52.000 I'm sure if he finds out that people are watching YouTube videos that have been put there by the CIA in an attempt to recruit them to bring down Russia and to end his tyranny, he's gonna just go, Oh, well, you roll with the punches.

00:12:05.000 You win some, you lose some.

00:12:06.000 After all, people are free to watch whatever they want.

00:12:08.000 What has he said, Gal?

00:12:10.000 So Vladimir Putin has warned his compatriots to be on their guard against traitors and Parliament voted last month to increase the penalty for state treason from 20 years to life in prison.

00:12:22.000 So do not like and subscribe to this video I would suggest.

00:12:25.000 Life and subscribe, is what we say here.

00:12:29.000 Let's have a look at how that propaganda's rolling out on the definitely not propaganda network, CNN, who, by the way, broadcast by the very person who tried to cajole Trump and say, who do you want to win?

00:12:39.000 You're not being patriotic!

00:12:41.000 20 years!

00:12:43.000 You know, propaganda's a two-way street, baby.

00:12:45.000 Let's have a look.

00:12:46.000 The CIA is now trying to recruit Russian spies.

00:12:49.000 Pretty openly, the agency dropping an emotional two-minute-long video just last night targeting disgruntled Russians.

00:12:56.000 Their goal?

00:12:57.000 Persuade them.

00:12:58.000 Disgruntled Russians?

00:12:59.000 Not disgruntled, are they?

00:13:00.000 Earlier today I was gruntled, but now I'm disgruntled!

00:13:04.000 It's not enough of a reason to become a spy for America and potentially serve life in prison is if you're feeling disgruntled. 0.96

00:13:11.000 Yeah, disgruntled is this, this, ugh, bloody hell. 0.92

00:13:15.000 Oh, come on! 0.99

00:13:16.000 I came at Disney World, I've queued up for 15 bloody minutes, I'm no nearer the front, 30 quid for this replica of Todd the Fox from Fox Aloud.

00:13:26.000 I think, do you know what I'm going to do?

00:13:27.000 I'm going to become a spy.

00:13:28.000 Like that's, you're not gonna turn against Vladimir Putin, an alleged war criminal,

00:13:34.000 simply because you're disgruntled. I think you have to be broken, spiritually broken.

00:13:38.000 So maybe a lot of spies are broken.

00:13:40.000 Or believe in like the American myth so much that you would be willing to do it.

00:13:44.000 But they can't do that.

00:13:46.000 Well no, I wouldn't suggest so.

00:13:47.000 The American myth of yesteryear, have a McDonald's, have a Coca-Cola,

00:13:51.000 wear some Levi jeans, everything's gonna be great.

00:13:53.000 You can't make those pledges anymore.

00:13:54.000 Country's deteriorating, it's falling apart, everybody hate each other, all of the treasured institutions, whether they're electoral, media, judicial, are totally mistrusted, either by one side or the other side.

00:14:07.000 Come and live here!

00:14:08.000 Yeah, also, as we were kind of talking about earlier, you know, the US has imposed sanctions on Russia with the sole purpose of, like, Uh, I guess making people's lives much worse in Russia.

00:14:18.000 I don't know how much it has worked, but I wouldn't imagine that you would think of the Americans as, oh, those wonderful Americans.

00:14:25.000 Let's go join them.

00:14:26.000 Right.

00:14:26.000 What I did like is they're using like Tolstoy and Dostoevsky in the content.

00:14:30.000 Have a look anyway.

00:14:32.000 For any secrets or sensitive information they may have that could help the CIA.

00:14:36.000 CNN Senior National Security Correspondent Alex Marquardt is joining us live from Washington.

00:14:41.000 Alex, you got an exclusive interview with CIA officials about these efforts.

00:14:45.000 What exactly is it that they're doing here?

00:14:47.000 That's right, Caitlin, and we also got an early look at this video.

00:14:49.000 Now, the CIA officials I sat down with, they told me that they see Russia's war in Ukraine. 0.51

00:14:53.000 What about when Trump and Russia went, you're a nasty person, by the way? 0.94

00:14:57.000 He just said she was nasty! 1.00

00:15:00.000 Like, Trump gets personal, doesn't he?

00:15:01.000 Yeah, he does. 1.00

00:15:02.000 You're a nasty person, by the way. 1.00

00:15:04.000 Like, in the middle of a conversation. 1.00

00:15:07.000 Interesting, man.

00:15:08.000 as a rare, even historic, opportunity to recruit more Russian spies.

00:15:12.000 Now they're taking their efforts up a notch with this new recruitment video,

00:15:16.000 trying to communicate to Russians who have sensitive information,

00:15:19.000 we know what you're going through and what you have is valuable.

00:15:22.000 What you're going through and what you have is valuable.

00:15:26.000 You can't communicate to people like that in the middle of a war.

00:15:29.000 And America, like, ain't the answer, and I know you are American and we love you, but the answer is not U.S.

00:15:35.000 unipolar hegemony of the world operating on behalf of corporations, in particular the military-industrial complex.

00:15:41.000 That's not better for anyone.

00:15:42.000 No, I liked also when he said, like, the CIA taking things up a notch.

00:15:45.000 By what?

00:15:46.000 Putting a video on YouTube.

00:15:48.000 Like, the CIA, you can imagine it, like, all these brilliant, genius minds coming up.

00:15:51.000 Right, we're taking this up a notch.

00:15:53.000 What are we doing?

00:15:53.000 YouTube video?

00:15:54.000 We'll go with that.

00:15:56.000 Okay, we've already inspired an insurrection in the Ukraine.

00:16:00.000 We've brought back down the government of Niki Uyghur. 0.64

00:16:02.000 We've killed JFK.

00:16:04.000 But now we're really gonna take it to the limit!

00:16:06.000 Go on, oh my God, what are we going to do now?

00:16:09.000 Well, I've made this YouTube video, as a matter of fact.

00:16:11.000 Well, that's nice.

00:16:11.000 Like, subscribe.

00:16:12.000 I'm not turning on the notification bell. 0.99

00:16:14.000 Well, that's a pain in the ass. 0.99

00:16:15.000 That's an intrusion in my privacy. 0.99

00:16:17.000 I thought you guys liked that.

00:16:19.000 Alright, shall we have a look at some of the information?

00:16:21.000 Let's look at Biden picking new Fauci.

00:16:24.000 We can't watch that propaganda again.

00:16:26.000 Now, you remember we talked about this yesterday, and Gareth, I think you made some great points.

00:16:30.000 At times, your use of a Jamaican accent was ill-advised.

00:16:30.000 Didn't I?

00:16:35.000 That was wrong, that was wrong.

00:16:36.000 Biden taps Cancer Centre director Monica Bertinelli to lead NIH.

00:16:40.000 So she knew Fauci.

00:16:41.000 Yeah.

00:16:42.000 She's a bit like Angelica Houston, as I think you said yesterday, Gareth.

00:16:46.000 I did, yeah, I did make that observation.

00:16:48.000 Although your continued attempts to woo her...

00:16:53.000 I'm only a human.

00:16:55.000 I'm a human.

00:16:56.000 We're just humans, aren't we?

00:16:57.000 I think you made some good points about her yesterday.

00:16:59.000 She is a cancer survivor.

00:17:01.000 She's a cancer survivor.

00:17:02.000 That's good.

00:17:05.000 She's accepted $290 million from Pfizer.

00:17:05.000 Not so good.

00:17:09.000 Is that going to make her regulate Pfizer? 1.00

00:17:11.000 This made up 89% of all her research grants.

00:17:13.000 So you would suggest that is a lot of money coming from one place.

00:17:16.000 How much percent?

00:17:17.000 percent of all the research grants came from Pfizer and obviously what we know

00:17:20.000 about Albert Baller at the moment is that like Pfizer are seeing that the

00:17:24.000 next big market I think it's their third biggest market already but the next big

00:17:27.000 market for them is the cancer. Cancer is the new Covid except Covid well except

00:17:34.000 cancer is real and it kills people.

00:17:37.000 Nah, we're on rumble!

00:17:38.000 Well, obviously, the issue with COVID and cancer is that a lot of cancers have skyrocketed.

00:17:44.000 As a result of COVID.

00:17:46.000 Well, certainly of hospital waiting times, people not being able to get access and all that kind of stuff.

00:17:50.000 Cancer is the new COVID in so much as COVID made cancer a lot worse because a lot of people with cancer were unable to get treatment.

00:17:56.000 So now cancer has become a lot more problemable.

00:17:59.000 Yes, I would suggest that probably is the strategy.

00:18:01.000 Let us know in the chat and the comments.

00:18:02.000 And what was the other story we were going to briefly glimpse at?

00:18:06.000 Big Pharma.

00:18:07.000 It's got rampant and corporate lawlessness.

00:18:10.000 They do look rampant.

00:18:10.000 Yeah, this is the amazing thing.

00:18:11.000 I mean, like, when we're kind of talking about Big Pharma, we're talking about Albert Baller and the opportunities that they see in, like, cancer medicines, and now the kind of revolving door that it seems like someone who gets loads of grants and money from Pfizer are now going to be head of NIH.

00:18:26.000 The kind of things that Big Pharma that's been found in this report that they do, like, literally break laws.

00:18:32.000 To ensure that prices remain high, that American people, everyday people, can't afford that medicine.

00:18:39.000 And apparently they're breaking laws here.

00:18:41.000 Some of the stuff is absolutely mad.

00:18:42.000 So in the case of Bistolic, a blood pressure medicine, Allergan entered a legal pay-for-delay agreement to prevent the delay of generic competition.

00:18:50.000 So what that means, Russ, I'll leave it here, but what it means is the opportunity for cheaper drugs, for things like cancer, these are not nothing drugs, cancer drugs, These pharmaceutical companies broke the law to stop generic versions of those drugs becoming available for American people.

00:19:08.000 And of course Biden will not legislate to reverse that and make drugs white label, which would save loads of money and loads of lives.

00:19:17.000 Let's tell you this as well, you know ventilators, they were one of the heroes of the pandemic, but like other pandemic heroes, teachers, nurses, law enforcement officers, it's time to abandon those heroes because they Well, they're not useful anymore, and possibly, in the case of ventilators, they were not useful then.

00:19:32.000 A new paper offers fresh evidence ventilators killed COVID patients, suggesting ventilator-required pneumonia, not COVID itself, caused many deaths.

00:19:40.000 Another kick up the nuts for those of us that may have entertained the mainstream narrative.

00:19:45.000 We'll be unpacking that in more detail over the coming days, but it's time now to look at another astonishing story from that period of time.

00:19:54.000 You remember, don't you, the great myth That even symptomless people could be spreading COVID.

00:20:02.000 And it's even hard now to say that that was not true.

00:20:04.000 I hardly can believe it myself.

00:20:06.000 Worse than that is that as early as May 2020, a test was available that would have proven that people without visible symptoms were not themselves infectious, meaning that many of the rules, masks, lockdown, distancing, were irrelevant.

00:20:21.000 This is an extraordinary revelation.

00:20:23.000 Here's the news.

00:20:24.000 No, here's the effing news. 1.00

00:20:29.000 Well, here's the fucking news! 0.97

00:20:32.000 Hey, conspiracy theorists, as you know, questioning Albert Baller, CEO of Pfizer, or Anthony Fauci, former head of everything important, is basically an attack on science itself. 0.97

00:20:44.000 So, if there were a test that could have revealed that many of the laws and measures that were undertaken during the pandemic were unnecessary and the CDC ignored that test, then that would be what?

00:20:55.000 Unscientific?

00:20:56.000 It depends on what they say it is. 1.00

00:20:59.000 Stupid, you bloody conspiracy theorist! 1.00

00:21:03.000 You remember Albert Baller saying that RFK in questioning certain medications is questioning science itself. 1.00

00:21:11.000 And Albert Baller, by coincidence, made a bunch of money from certain medications.

00:21:15.000 Read his great book, Moonshot.

00:21:17.000 He's such a hero.

00:21:18.000 Anthony Fauci essentially said in a weird Judge Dredd way, I am science.

00:21:23.000 They collapse their individual identity into dogmas, into doctrines, into ideals, so that you can't question them.

00:21:29.000 Oh, why are you still going on about the pandemic?

00:21:32.000 It was just a massive wealth transfer. 1.00

00:21:34.000 It just made children stupider. 1.00

00:21:36.000 It just made the powerful billionaires more powerful. 1.00

00:21:39.000 It just gave the government more power.

00:21:41.000 Why are you going on about it?

00:21:42.000 We've got new things to think about now!

00:21:45.000 It's a little thing called freedom, baby.

00:21:47.000 Let's remind ourselves what these smug dictators were telling us just a matter of months ago and try to remember this is the world you're still living in.

00:21:56.000 This is the price you're still paying.

00:21:57.000 When you walk down a high street and you see businesses closed, when you see education standards falling, think how relevant it is then.

00:22:03.000 What is your level of concern that we're going to discredit public health officials to the point of You know, look at Russia.

00:22:10.000 I see you.

00:22:11.000 I look at them and I raise you.

00:22:12.000 Proxy war with them.

00:22:13.000 And also we can say that they even caused Donald Trump.

00:22:16.000 That's not going to work for long.

00:22:17.000 They actually have a good vaccine and none of their citizens will take it because they don't trust their own government.

00:22:22.000 It's very dangerous, Chuck, because a lot of what you're seeing as attacks on me, quite frankly, are attacks on science.

00:22:30.000 Oh, you are the embodiment of science, are you?

00:22:33.000 What a scientific thing to say, that an entire dogma could be embodied in an individual.

00:22:38.000 That would be the sort of thing that would come out of the mouth of Einstein or Heisenberg or Isaac Newton.

00:22:43.000 They were always generalizing and coming up with stuff that seemed dogmatic and propagandist, weren't they?

00:22:49.000 What we love about those guys, right?

00:22:51.000 Let's see what the private sector's got to say in the figure of Albert Borla.

00:22:56.000 What needs to be done to counter this wider assault on vaccines?

00:23:00.000 I think it's a very difficult situation and I would say unfortunately it's not an assault on vaccines, it's on science.

00:23:06.000 Yeah, it's on science.

00:23:07.000 You're attacking Galileo.

00:23:08.000 Some of this, though, would become more difficult to accept if we were to learn that there was a test developed during the pandemic that would reveal that asymptomatic people were much less likely of transmitting the virus, because then there'll be no need for everyone to wear masks.

00:23:22.000 There'll be no need for social distancing.

00:23:22.000 Right?

00:23:24.000 There'll be no need for all of that surveillance, all those regulations, all of those laws, all of those sales.

00:23:29.000 And then your whole argument would start to look like, God, I suppose, like propaganda and lies, if that were true.

00:23:34.000 So let's learn about this test and its potential repression, or at least the fact that it was ignored, so we can inform ourselves further.

00:23:41.000 In spring 2020, the public was bombarded with a message that would soon permanently embed itself into the national consciousness.

00:23:47.000 People without COVID symptoms could unknowingly be infected and, more importantly, transmit the virus to others.

00:23:52.000 You remember that, right?

00:23:53.000 We all remember that. 0.99

00:23:54.000 Oh, the thing about this virus is you might not know you have it, but then you could give it to like a grandmother or something like that and kill them. 0.76

00:24:01.000 So that's why you should do X, Y, Z. Even though we now know, I believe it's possible to say this on YouTube, that they didn't test on transmissions at Pfizer This was the justification given by Anthony Fauci, or as I call him, science itself, in the first week of April 2020 for his 180 on community mask recommendations.

00:24:19.000 A lot of people who were asymptomatic were spreading infection, he said, so everyone should wear a mask.

00:24:24.000 Yeah, simple as that.

00:24:25.000 A chorus of public health professionals, including Scott Gottlieb, the former commissioner of the FDA, made the same argument as did the CDC.

00:24:31.000 The spectre of asymptomatic transmission undergirded not just policies on masks, but on distancing and quarantines as well.

00:24:39.000 A lot of things went on in that three-year period.

00:24:42.000 We learned that people could be told what to do, people could be told to stay in their house, people could be told to ignore the most sort of primal ceremonial duties in life, weddings, births, funerals, all in order to serve an even higher principle, protect one another, look after the sanctity of life.

00:24:55.000 And if indeed that's what we were doing, what could be more noble than that?

00:24:58.000 And this willingness to come together in pursuit of a noble cause is the one thing that may yet save us.

00:25:03.000 The entire apparatus of our pandemic response, which most consequentially kept millions of healthy children out of full-time school for more than a year, was based on this notion.

00:25:11.000 Now, a paper from researchers at Stanford University School of Conspiracy Theories and Stuff David Icke Made Up, sorry, of Medicine and Stanford Hospitals, raises an extraordinary prospect.

00:25:23.000 Transmission from asymptomatic people is far, far less common than we were led to believe.

00:25:29.000 From a special test they developed, the researchers found a remarkable 96% of people who were PCR positive but without symptoms were not infectious.

00:25:37.000 96% of people who were asymptomatic, or another way of saying that would be, All of them.

00:25:42.000 Most people who don't have symptoms, of course, are not infected.

00:25:45.000 So the likelihood of someone who is not noticeably sick actually being infected and infectious was exceedingly rare.

00:25:51.000 Negligible.

00:25:51.000 Not something where you would, for example, make everyone in the world wear masks, make everyone in the world stay inside their house.

00:25:56.000 Now, I know it's hard for some of you to hear this.

00:25:58.000 I know it's gratifying for others.

00:25:59.000 I know some of you are like, I knew I was right!

00:26:02.000 when other people it's like god god this means that much of the actions we were told or compelled to take including an acceptance of all those closed or half empty schools had little to no benefit all of those lockdowns all of the things your kids went through all of the mental health suffering all of the failure of small businesses was a waste of Time?

00:26:21.000 Worse still, the novel test at Stanford that showed a very low rate of infectious asymptomatic people who had tested positive was available as early as May 2020.

00:26:31.000 Yet the CDC and other health authorities did nothing.

00:26:34.000 And all the while they were doing that, by the way, they were saying science, science, follow the science.

00:26:38.000 That's not very scientific, is it?

00:26:40.000 Interesting that they didn't grip hold of that test and celebrate it.

00:26:43.000 Why wouldn't that be?

00:26:44.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:26:45.000 Despite the narrative, the idea that substantial portions of infections were acquired from people without symptoms never had a strong evidence base.

00:26:53.000 I remember, like, listening to it on the radio and seeing it on TV.

00:26:56.000 Just because you don't have symptoms doesn't mean you can't spread the virus.

00:26:59.000 Never had a strong evidence base.

00:27:01.000 Huh.

00:27:02.000 In June 2020, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the World Health Organization's Emerging Diseases and Zoonosis Unit, said that transmission from asymptomatic people was very rare.

00:27:12.000 So just a month later, the World Health Organization said it's rare.

00:27:16.000 There was a test available a month earlier than that that proved it, and the WHO said it.

00:27:22.000 Strange.

00:27:22.000 This conclusion was based on a number of countries doing very detailed contact tracing, she said.

00:27:27.000 Oh yeah, because remember they made us all put stuff on our phones so that they could capture our data and observe us.

00:27:32.000 But it was only for the pandemic, right?

00:27:34.000 Because, you know, it couldn't be for any other reason.

00:27:36.000 It was just because even asymptomatic people could be spreading the virus.

00:27:40.000 Oh no, that's not true, is it?

00:27:41.000 No, it's just to make sure that you've taken the medications because the medications help prevent transmission.

00:27:45.000 Oh, that's not true, is it?

00:27:47.000 So then why did we have to do all that stuff?

00:27:50.000 Could there The next day, after criticism from some health professionals, WHO officials walked back her statement and Van Kerkhove said it was a complex question.

00:28:02.000 it's a complex question.

00:28:04.000 Authors of an editorial reviewing the evidence of asymptomatic transmission published in BMJ

00:28:09.000 in December 2020 said, searching for people who are asymptomatic yet infectious

00:28:14.000 is like searching for needles that appear and reappear transiently in haystacks.

00:28:18.000 It's already odd to look for a needle in a haystack.

00:28:21.000 Whoa, God, oh my God, it's a wave, it's a particle.

00:28:24.000 Ah, follow the science, follow the needle.

00:28:26.000 What a haystack.

00:28:27.000 Some views went in the other direction.

00:28:29.000 The following month, a paper in JAMA Network Open suggested that more than half of all transmission came from infected people without symptoms.

00:28:36.000 Naturally, this finding, which supported the health authority's messaging and justified various community interventions, was covered everywhere, from CNN to PBS to NBC to Fox.

00:28:45.000 Huh!

00:28:46.000 So one study they ignore, and another study they really cover and pay attention to.

00:28:51.000 Almost as if the mainstream media is presenting you some information and denying you other information.

00:28:57.000 Yet this conclusion was based on mathematical models, which are based on numerous assumptions and subjective choices by the researchers, which is to say, in layman's terms, is a guesstimate.

00:29:06.000 They ignored the one that was based on empirical research and evidence.

00:29:09.000 they highlight the mask on.

00:29:11.000 Oh, I reckon that maybe if we'd carry the one, carry the one over there, then if we were to extrapolate

00:29:16.000 that naturally, then everyone should do what the government says.

00:29:18.000 And I suppose a side effect of this would be that Moderna and Pfizer and a lot of those guys probably benefit.

00:29:24.000 But let's forget about all that for a while and get in your house

00:29:26.000 and put a mask on just to check who are our sponsors on the show.

00:29:29.000 You've already said their names.

00:29:30.000 Oh, great. Should I say it again?

00:29:32.000 Yeah, why not? Pfizer.

00:29:33.000 In short, plenty of studies have demonstrated that indeed, people without symptoms can transmit to others.

00:29:39.000 That's never been a mystery.

00:29:40.000 The question has never been, can people without symptoms transmit SARS-CoV-2, but rather to what extent this occurs in the general population.

00:29:48.000 So, that's a significant question.

00:29:50.000 If it's 100% of asymptomatic people, then obviously there's legitimacy behind measures such as double mask, keep apart, stay in your house in an unprecedented fashion. 1.00

00:30:00.000 But if it's 4%, then we have to have a different conversation, don't we?

00:30:03.000 About the various competing interests.

00:30:06.000 Mental health, small businesses, general fitness, liberty.

00:30:10.000 Freedom!

00:30:11.000 All of those things are back on the table.

00:30:12.000 The Stanford test does not answer that question specifically, but it tells us something related that's more important.

00:30:17.000 How likely is it for someone who has COVID but doesn't have symptoms to be infectious?

00:30:22.000 Most everyone has heard of the standard PCR test, which detects whether someone has the virus, but it cannot detect whether the person is capable of infecting others.

00:30:30.000 In May 2020, the Stanford researchers created a specific PCR test that could do this.

00:30:35.000 The minor strand test.

00:30:36.000 A pretty significant breakthrough, one might imagine, in a world that was dealing with something so seismic and traumatic.

00:30:42.000 The purpose of the test, Dr. Benjamin Pinsky, one of the authors of the original paper on the test, explained was to help clinicians in the hospital accurately find out if patients were infectious or not.

00:30:51.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:30:52.000 Hospitals were delaying procedures and delaying treatments such as chemotherapy and implementing various infection control measures unnecessarily on patients who tested positive on a regular PCR test but who were not infectious.

00:31:03.000 We all went through that, right?

00:31:04.000 Oh, there's nothing wrong with me.

00:31:06.000 Oh, I can't do X, Y, Z. Well, imagine instead of like going to an event or whatever, it was going to get chemotherapy.

00:31:11.000 That test would be pretty significant, I would argue.

00:31:13.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:31:14.000 The minor strand test gave a definitive answer one way or the other.

00:31:17.000 To be clear about the importance of all this, as early as May and June 2020, a test existed that if it had been rolled out in medical centers and regular labs nationwide, could have enabled people to know for certain whether they were infectious or not.

00:31:28.000 Even if you were a very cautious person, you go, am I infectious?

00:31:32.000 All right, I'm going to go see my grandma or whatever, because this test has revealed that I am categorically not infectious.

00:31:38.000 Therefore, I can go and tend to a relative and their other needs.

00:31:41.000 There are so many areas where this would have been useful, where it actually perfectly makes the argument.

00:31:46.000 Science, the importance of testing, the importance of trust in those bodies, an opportunity to have a conversation.

00:31:51.000 I know these people are clearly not pursuing an agenda either to regulate a population or to profit.

00:31:56.000 That's the basic argument, isn't it?

00:31:57.000 Oh, did the pandemic serve the ability of governments to regulate and control at a time when more democracy is clearly an option?

00:32:03.000 Did it get used to help companies to profit because of various factors?

00:32:06.000 In a conversation around this and the release of this test would have meant that we would have gone, oh no, because otherwise they wouldn't have released that test.

00:32:12.000 That's what we would have had to have said, but they didn't release that test.

00:32:15.000 Unlike the ambiguities of epidemiological studies or models, this was a biological test.

00:32:20.000 The CDC ultimately published Pinsky and his colleagues' paper about the test in January 2021, but it began use at Stanford more than seven months earlier.

00:32:29.000 Not only is it an alternative model, it was a more effective model, not based on mathematics, conjecture, it was based on, oh, well, we just see by using this test.

00:32:37.000 Isn't that extraordinary that that wasn't taken advantage of?

00:32:39.000 This raises serious questions for those in charge of the CDC, NIH, NIAID, for why resources were not allocated toward making the test broadly available.

00:32:47.000 I've got a few hunches, and I don't think they'll be answering those questions, do you?

00:32:51.000 Good luck with those, Rand Paul!

00:32:53.000 Though the test was developed for use in hospitals, its utility outside of a medical setting is obvious.

00:32:57.000 Regular people could have paid for the test to find out after they got over a bout of COVID whether they were still infectious or not, enabling them to go to work, visit relatives and so on.

00:33:07.000 Millions of kids could have tested out of isolation.

00:33:10.000 More broadly, the CDC could have immediately conducted a huge study to actually answer the question health officials had only been conjecturing about.

00:33:17.000 What percent of positive people without symptoms have the capability of infecting others?

00:33:21.000 All upside if your objective is to protect a population, to protect an economy, to protect across a number of intersecting factors, mental health, etc.

00:33:30.000 This test was a godsend.

00:33:32.000 Why was this godsend test ignored?

00:33:34.000 Or a science send?

00:33:35.000 Enter the second groundbreaking piece to this story.

00:33:38.000 Researchers at Stanford later looked at data from this test from July of 2020 through April 2022 and answered the question, helpful for it is neglected to answer.

00:33:46.000 And what they found out does not match the narrative about a common threat of people walking around without symptoms infecting others.

00:33:53.000 For the majority of the pandemic, only 4% of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 PCR positive patients were shown to be infectious.

00:34:01.000 During the Omicron wave, the percentage peaked at about 25%, so there was some variety and variation.

00:34:07.000 It's all data that would have been invaluable.

00:34:09.000 We can't narrativise it just to our own ends.

00:34:11.000 We could have used science to create better conditions for everyone, all of us.

00:34:16.000 It could have been something that we were genuinely all in together, as it was for about 15 minutes at the beginning of the pandemic, if you can remember that, before we all started thinking, Wait a minute, are we being exploited again?

00:34:26.000 Dr. Ralph Thayer, an infectious diseases fellow at Stanford, said, Think about it this way.

00:34:36.000 Even if every single student in a school without symptoms was infected, 96% of them still weren't capable of transmitting to others.

00:34:43.000 Yet, of course, most people without symptoms are not infected.

00:34:46.000 Moreover, just because 4% were technically capable of infecting others, that does not mean in actuality they had a sufficient amount of replicating virus to do so.

00:34:55.000 We are talking about subgroup of a subgroup of a subgroup.

00:34:58.000 How extraordinary.

00:34:59.000 Subgroup of a subgroup of a subgroup.

00:35:01.000 It's fractaling down into minutiae, isn't it?

00:35:05.000 And yet, The most extreme measures were taken.

00:35:08.000 Under what circumstances would that make sense if there is an agenda that's not related to the well-being of the population?

00:35:14.000 And I'd invite you at this moment to consider, when you look across society more broadly, does it look like everything's being arranged quick?

00:35:19.000 What do we do?

00:35:20.000 What's best for everyone?

00:35:21.000 Does it look like that in economics?

00:35:22.000 Does it look like that in justice?

00:35:23.000 Does it look like that in democracy?

00:35:24.000 What's best for everyone?

00:35:25.000 Or does it look like They look for opportunities to benefit an economic elite.

00:35:29.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:35:30.000 Outside of hospitals, the harms were arguably far more extensive.

00:35:34.000 Schools, if they were open at all, operated at half capacity in order to comply with distancing rules.

00:35:38.000 In many states, all children were required to mask all of the time, and students were quarantined repeatedly for long stretches of time, even though they were not infectious.

00:35:46.000 All of these rules that kept healthy children home or in masks were based on the idea that we didn't know who could be infected and contagious, but we could have known.

00:35:55.000 We should have known.

00:35:56.000 Why didn't we know?

00:35:57.000 We were made to believe that each of us was a potential unwitting one-person WMD.

00:36:02.000 Did they have those WMDs?

00:36:03.000 I don't remember.

00:36:04.000 Who can forget those video illustrations all over social media and major news outlets of little red poison dots floating out of people's mouths and noses toward innocent individuals nearby?

00:36:13.000 While medical centers and other places with particularly vulnerable people may have benefited for some time from the more stringent rules, schools, as they did in Sweden, and most of society, could have simply followed the classic advice, if you're sick, stay at home, and we would have ended up in the same place.

00:36:27.000 But possibly with some different results in different areas of life.

00:36:32.000 Isn't this yet another piece of information that makes you query the underlying philosophy behind the pandemic?

00:36:39.000 Whether it was unconscious, whether it was ineptitude or by design, just for a moment remember the events you missed, the inconvenience you experienced, the money you lost, the relatives you missed, the funerals you didn't go to.

00:36:50.000 Just for a moment think about how your children have been affected, where Ever or not people took their own lives because they couldn't cope with being in isolated circumstances, whether chemotherapy, heart disease medications were lost out, whether resources were directed incorrectly, whether or not you were made to feel that you were not doing the right thing because of particular medications.

00:37:06.000 Every single measure appears to have been designed to impede freedom and maximize profit.

00:37:11.000 Appears to have been designed that way.

00:37:13.000 Whether it was unconscious, whether it was ineptitude, or by design, I'm not suggesting malfeasance of this scale.

00:37:20.000 It's not my job to do that.

00:37:21.000 I don't have access to all of the information in the world.

00:37:24.000 It seems that much of the world's most important information is kept from us.

00:37:27.000 At this point, can you with hand on heart continue to call people conspiracy theorists because they don't accept what they are told by the media, the government, and big corporations?

00:37:37.000 I don't think you can.

00:37:38.000 But that's just what I think.

00:37:39.000 Let me know what you think in the comments.

00:37:40.000 I'll see you in a second.

00:37:42.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News. 1.00

00:37:44.000 No, he's the fucking loser. 1.00

00:37:47.000 Dealing as we are with all of this intensity, all of this complexity, isn't it sometimes wonderful, 1.00

00:37:53.000 like the Cheers theme song used to say, to get away.

00:37:56.000 Wouldn't you like to go somewhere different? You know, that's not the idea.

00:38:00.000 Anyway, let's lose ourselves in the beautiful game that is football, because, after all, football is nice.

00:38:07.000 Football is nice.

00:38:12.000 Maybe you're an American, maybe you're a conspiracy theorist, maybe you're thinking, why the hell are those two limeys? 0.89

00:38:21.000 You might be thinking, those bloody limeys talking about football, because it provides a beautiful framing for all of our social understanding. 1.00

00:38:28.000 Tribalism, opposition, friendly competition.

00:38:31.000 Gossip, glamour, heroes, the narrative itself can be found in football.

00:38:36.000 As someone once said, the world is not made of atoms, the world is made of stories.

00:38:40.000 And the stories that emerge from football are some of the greatest stories available.

00:38:44.000 It also gives me and Gareth an opportunity to make predictions in a game that I'm sure to win, where we have to predict the scores of certain fixtures.

00:38:51.000 We get three points if you 100% get it right, one point if you get the general result correct.

00:38:56.000 That's our system, isn't it?

00:38:58.000 got lots of things to talk about, who's going to get relegated from the Premier League,

00:39:01.000 are West Ham United, the football club that I support, going to reach a European final,

00:39:05.000 or be it one that Simon Jordan of Talk Sport calls the Papa John's, meaning it's sort of a

00:39:11.000 low-rent, Papa John's is a sort of a pizza parlour that sponsors a sort of low-rent domestic

00:39:17.000 competition. Still a European competition. It's a nice looking trophy as well.

00:39:22.000 And if you can get past AZ Alkmaar, I would say... You know, they've got a good AZ Alkmaar of Holland.

00:39:29.000 You know, the big thing is that they're one of those moneyball teams.

00:39:32.000 The press likes to go on about it.

00:39:34.000 Are they moneyball?

00:39:35.000 Don't get seduced by the glamour.

00:39:36.000 There is my football team, West Ham United.

00:39:39.000 Jared Bowen used to play for Hull, which is a team Gareth supports.

00:39:44.000 Then in the background is Paqueta, a Brazilian World Cup star.

00:39:47.000 Zouma is in the very middle there.

00:39:49.000 He famously kicked his own cat.

00:39:52.000 Cech, a brilliant, tall player from the Czech Republic who's really good in the air and strong.

00:39:57.000 Maybe he's the Eastern European Fellaini, maybe.

00:40:01.000 Declan Rice, who's like the hero of West Ham, too good for West Ham and is also going to be leaving.

00:40:06.000 And Mikel Antonio is second from the left.

00:40:10.000 Alright, let's have a look at our predictions.

00:40:12.000 We can't tell how it went just by analysing the numbers.

00:40:15.000 I always lose.

00:40:17.000 Gareth got five right, but I win because I got one exactly correct.

00:40:21.000 Actually, we both did amazing.

00:40:21.000 Well done.

00:40:24.000 That's the best we've ever done, and I actually have got ten points.

00:40:26.000 If you want, you can add it to where we were up to last time round.

00:40:30.000 No, let's start fresh.

00:40:32.000 A whole new season.

00:40:33.000 Two more games?

00:40:34.000 Is there three more games?

00:40:35.000 Two, three more games, yeah.

00:40:37.000 You could do it, Brand.

00:40:38.000 You could do it.

00:40:40.000 Don't try and get in my head.

00:40:41.000 You're trying to get in my head.

00:40:42.000 I tell you what, I would love it.

00:40:44.000 I would love it if I beat you at this.

00:40:46.000 Which ones did I get 100% right?

00:40:48.000 I must have got some 100% right, mustn't I?

00:40:50.000 You must have done, mustn't you?

00:40:51.000 To win, because I only got four right.

00:40:52.000 You got five right.

00:40:53.000 That's not bad, is it, really?

00:40:55.000 What ones did I get 100% right?

00:40:57.000 You need to mark it up in some way that makes it clear.

00:40:59.000 Colour code it.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, this is hard.

00:41:00.000 That's too difficult to look at for a stupid person. 0.99

00:41:03.000 Right, there's lots of things to cover. 1.00

00:41:04.000 I want to cover that so I could win.

00:41:07.000 I'll pause it.

00:41:07.000 Couldn't I?

00:41:08.000 I'm not consistent.

00:41:10.000 No, have a bit of faith.

00:41:11.000 Bit of faith.

00:41:12.000 Alright, I might win.

00:41:13.000 So, hold on, there's a few things I want to talk about.

00:41:15.000 Luton, I want to talk about Luton.

00:41:17.000 Yes.

00:41:17.000 Like, Luton beat Sunderland.

00:41:19.000 That's right.

00:41:19.000 Didn't they?

00:41:20.000 In the playoffs, in the championship.

00:41:22.000 And you might have Luton coming back into the Premier League.

00:41:22.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 I want Luton in.

00:41:28.000 I do.

00:41:29.000 That's the anti-Wrexham.

00:41:30.000 Yes.

00:41:31.000 Because Luton is an old school football team.

00:41:33.000 Like, I think, I don't know this and I don't want to judge you if you're a Luton fan, but I have a sense that Luton still has what you might call traditional 80s fans.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, I guess, yeah, I mean, like, Luton conjures a lot of memories, doesn't it, from when we were younger, like?

00:41:41.000 Don't you think?

00:41:47.000 Yeah, because you think of David Pleat.

00:41:49.000 And you think of the AstroTurf.

00:41:49.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 AstroTurf, yeah.

00:41:52.000 You maybe think of Paul Walsh.

00:41:52.000 That AstroTurf.

00:41:54.000 Paul Walsh, yeah.

00:41:55.000 I think of.

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.000 They had a good forward that had a bunch of brothers.

00:42:03.000 There was three black players up front and they all had three different brothers.

00:42:11.000 Someone's a bit like Lufa Blissett but not Lufa Blissett.

00:42:15.000 The amazing thing about Luton is that their stadium is 10,000 people.

00:42:19.000 I love that.

00:42:20.000 10,000 people.

00:42:21.000 What, a Man United are going to have to go there?

00:42:22.000 It's incredible.

00:42:23.000 It's brilliant.

00:42:24.000 So like Bournemouth, I think Bournemouth is about 12,000.

00:42:25.000 Everyone was like, how ridiculous that Bournemouth would come up with a stadium the size of 12,000.

00:42:30.000 Steyn, it's them Steyn brothers.

00:42:34.000 Luton's even less than that.

00:42:35.000 It's like, where are we going with this?

00:42:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:38.000 It's also, like, Bournemouth, like, Luton are not, I would say, I'd call them unreconstructed.

00:42:43.000 It's gonna be weird there.

00:42:44.000 And even, like, when they won against Sunderland, there was a pitch invasion, and it felt like a bit... It doesn't feel like a sort of a friendly pitch invasion.

00:42:53.000 I'm not criticising Luke fans.

00:42:54.000 I don't want to do that.

00:42:56.000 I'm not trying to do that.

00:42:56.000 I'm just saying, this is the point I'm trying to make.

00:42:59.000 Football has had to become sanitised in order to commodify it to the degree where it could become an innocuous global brand, even though it's still full of the glory that football will always contain and present.

00:43:10.000 That's what you can't do.

00:43:11.000 You can't strip football somehow of its magic.

00:43:13.000 It's too potent.

00:43:15.000 But as it becomes more and more commodified, more and more detached from the fans that it's traditionally associated with, the gentrification of the game, something that began a long, long time ago, really, sort of with the advent of the Premier League, most notably, in our country, it's sort of certain aspects of the game, the sort of eating a pie, drinking Bovril, getting punched in the face by a stranger, All of the things we are proudest of.

00:43:42.000 I think it's like that thing with stadiums.

00:43:46.000 I think we want to retain, we don't want all football to become, as you say, sanitised.

00:43:52.000 We don't want every stadium to be one of those new, all look exactly the same stadiums.

00:43:58.000 And so when you get a stadium like Luton's that's 10,000, I guess it's the difference between Upton Park and the new stadiums.

00:44:04.000 Exactly, the perfect example.

00:44:06.000 Because, right, at West Ham, you used to have to walk down Barking Road, or Romford Road, or Green Street, and you're walking through, like, communities of- Communities.

00:44:14.000 Houses.

00:44:15.000 Bengali people, and shops full of saris, and little pie and mash shops, and pubs that have had generations of West Ham fans there.

00:44:23.000 The statue of my peers, and Bobby Moore, and Geoff Hurst, and it's sort of full of real ritual.

00:44:29.000 The inconvenience of arriving at Upton Park, or maybe getting out of Plastow, because there'll be too much people at Upton Park.

00:44:34.000 You'll get off one earlier or one later.

00:44:36.000 And now, you're in a Westfield shopping centre at Stratford.

00:44:40.000 You're moving for a place of commerce.

00:44:42.000 If you look at the economic class that are represented by the walk along Green Street versus where the kind of tax arrangements probably enjoyed by the unit proprietors in any Westfield.

00:44:54.000 Who owns Westfield?

00:44:55.000 Where's Westfield registered for tax?

00:44:58.000 If you were to look at that, it would tell you a story.

00:45:00.000 There's information in that story about the way that the game is being co-opted and changed.

00:45:04.000 It's impossible not to regard it through a political lens.

00:45:08.000 So whilst I'm not glorying in, like, the aspects of football in the 1980s that were obviously prejudicial, violent, what I'm saying is it was something that was clearly owned by a particular community, and that there was something... I feel a kind of nostalgia about that, even though at the time I was Probably quite frightened. 0.60

00:45:26.000 Well, we know where these massive stadiums and franchises lead us to.

00:45:30.000 It leads us to something like the Super League, doesn't it?

00:45:32.000 That's the trajectory of the way football is kind of going, and we don't want that.

00:45:38.000 Retaining something like Luton being in the Premier League would feel like a kind of resistance to that.

00:45:44.000 You can have a look now at the entrance to Kenilworth Road versus the LA Galaxy, say, entrance, just to sort of see for yourselves.

00:45:52.000 So that's on your way into Luton, and then what's it like to go into LA Galaxy?

00:45:57.000 Wow, amazing.

00:45:58.000 That's all that Royal Road tells you a great deal and almost you can feel they'll come a point where people

00:45:58.000 Wow.

00:46:04.000 almost welcome a Super League because they'll say oh well, you know, what's

00:46:08.000 the point man city always win the Premier League Bayern Munich always

00:46:11.000 win the League in Germany. Yeah, once it's we're doing it already

00:46:17.000 then why why not, you know?

00:46:19.000 Yeah And what's people's competitive stadium kind of looks like

00:46:23.000 that and man city type teams and franchises keep winning all the leagues and all the trophies then it'll

00:46:28.000 be like well why not?

00:46:29.000 Why don't we just do the Super League?

00:46:30.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:46:31.000 And then before you know it, you've forgotten your own history.

00:46:31.000 It's harder.

00:46:35.000 And this kind of amnesia and disassociation, I think, are deeper themes of what we continually talk about in our show.

00:46:42.000 You don't talk about the fact that you're forgetting your heritage.

00:46:44.000 you're forgetting your connection to the past, you're forgetting your connection to your

00:46:48.000 grandparents, your community, it suddenly just all feels like, oh did any of that happen,

00:46:52.000 does any of that matter anymore?

00:46:54.000 And I think that football is a great representation of that and if you lose touch with that, you

00:46:59.000 lose touch with a lot.

00:47:01.000 That's why it's always been exploited, I think, politically, whether it's Rishi Sunak, WEF

00:47:07.000 Stooge and Prime Minister of the UK never elected, attending a game at Southampton,

00:47:13.000 the first team to be relegated at the bottom of the table, there he is, being a normal

00:47:17.000 person, being a normal man at Southampton.

00:47:21.000 Or things like Tony Blair playing football with Kevin Keegan, the then England manager,

00:47:28.000 because he, for reasons I've never fully understood, supported Newcastle.

00:47:33.000 Newcastle were amazing then, perhaps as now it's like an exciting time to be a Newcastle fan.

00:47:37.000 And I still remember this moment of watching Tony Blair exchanging headers with Kevin Keegan and I still, for all the war crimes and all the dead Iraqi children and all of the globalism, this still in part 0.50

00:47:48.000 informs my impression of Tony Blair favourably.

00:47:50.000 Like for example, if like some world court arrested Tony Blair and were about to execute him as a war

00:47:55.000 criminal, let's face it that's no different to what happened to Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi, 0.59

00:48:00.000 and unless you're making the argument that it's more right to do that to brown people

00:48:03.000 than white people, then why would that not happen? It's not a great argument. It's not a great argument. 0.79

00:48:08.000 Like, this would be what I would say in Tony Blair's defence.

00:48:12.000 Not that he would need it, his whole family's lawyers.

00:48:15.000 But I'd go... Also, I don't think he'd call you up as his first witness.

00:48:19.000 Well, you know, get Russell Brand.

00:48:20.000 He's always been making cheap jibes.

00:48:22.000 When we were doing the trues, he went, like, I literally don't know what he means.

00:48:27.000 I don't understand what he means.

00:48:29.000 What is he?

00:48:30.000 I don't think he was talking about a thing that you were saying.

00:48:32.000 I think he just meant you.

00:48:33.000 What do you mean?

00:48:34.000 Your essence.

00:48:35.000 What do you mean, what do I mean?

00:48:36.000 I don't mean a thing.

00:48:37.000 I am a thing.

00:48:38.000 Let's check him out doing headers with Kevin Keegan.

00:48:41.000 Witness Blair's head tennis with Kevin Keegan.

00:48:44.000 The symbolism was clear.

00:48:46.000 Back in 1995, New Labour, just like Keegan's Newcastle, seemed to be a breath of fresh air set to topple the established order.

00:48:54.000 Unfortunately, it didn't quite work out for the tune.

00:48:59.000 Or the country.

00:49:00.000 Or the people of Iraq.

00:49:03.000 Or really anyone.

00:49:05.000 Margaret Thatcher famously said, when asked what's your greatest achievement, she said Tony Blair.

00:49:11.000 Because then politics became sanitised, centralised, the idea of an alternative, a challenge to the relationships between corporate power and the state.

00:49:19.000 It was gone forever.

00:49:21.000 We can look at a bunch of things now, Gael.

00:49:23.000 We can either look at Boris Johnson elbowing a boy.

00:49:27.000 We can look at... Oh, we can watch Rishi Sunak.

00:49:31.000 No, not Rishi Sunak.

00:49:32.000 We can watch Roy Hodgson.

00:49:34.000 Little gangster, Roy Hodgson.

00:49:36.000 And Ancelotti doing sort of keepy-uppies.

00:49:39.000 There's two things we can talk about there.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, we can talk about any of that.

00:49:42.000 I'd love to know what your thoughts about the football was there.

00:49:46.000 Well, I can tell you this, that Alan Shearer's writing on The Athletic is like David Foster Wallace or Proust or something.

00:49:53.000 Listen to all this.

00:49:54.000 For no apparent reason, Antonio Rudiger is crouching.

00:49:56.000 His head is nestling inside Erling Haaland's right armpit, close enough to check the strength of his deodorant.

00:50:02.000 And then he switches to the left.

00:50:03.000 His arms are extended, but he's not really using them, nudging rather than pulling or grabbing.

00:50:07.000 One of Haaland's hands rests on Rudiger's shoulder as if hugging an old mate, but this is not a particularly friendly encounter.

00:50:13.000 There are swats.

00:50:14.000 Elbows up.

00:50:15.000 That's unbelievable!

00:50:17.000 This is apparently by Alan Shearer on the Real Madrid Man City contest, which resolved yesterday in our weird timeline.

00:50:29.000 The moment is captured on Twitter.

00:50:31.000 A funny hypnotic clip taken from City's 1-1 draw last week.

00:50:34.000 Taken out of context, it's like an interpretive dance or a human version of whack-a-mole.

00:50:38.000 The ball is in irrelevance.

00:50:39.000 Haaland, who has his back to goal, is staring at it, never allowing his gaze to flicker, but it is elsewhere.

00:50:45.000 And yet this peculiar little interaction was also central to a Champions League semi-final.

00:50:50.000 You know, like, it's incredible the way that Shearer is constructing this prose.

00:50:57.000 Incredible, and I would argue, somewhat unlikely.

00:51:01.000 Who knows?

00:51:02.000 Let's get him on.

00:51:03.000 Ryan versus Shearer.

00:51:05.000 I would like to see if he can reliably produce prose of that standard.

00:51:12.000 I suppose, yeah.

00:51:13.000 Well, the big news, obviously, is that Man City have basically won the title now, haven't they?

00:51:17.000 Yeah, because Brighton are too good at football, inexplicably.

00:51:22.000 And like, now that, this is what I think, now that Spurs aren't going to have Nagelsmann as their next manager has been confirmed, I think they're getting Deserby.

00:51:32.000 That's what I think.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, that's what I think is going to happen.

00:51:34.000 I think Spurs are going to get Deserby.

00:51:37.000 Oh no.

00:51:38.000 And I think that he's got, there he is.

00:51:41.000 Hmm.

00:51:42.000 Do you think he shaves those bits?

00:51:44.000 He's pictured here with a beard.

00:51:45.000 Right.

00:51:46.000 And he's got sort of a, like, he's got a beard that's, I would say, a little too General Zod.

00:51:51.000 A little too managed around the middle of the chin.

00:51:53.000 I've got places in my beard that don't grow.

00:51:55.000 Yeah, I've got a couple of bald bits at the extremes of my mouth there.

00:52:00.000 Maybe it's just, yeah, who knows?

00:52:02.000 Maybe he does that.

00:52:02.000 I mean, he's very exact with his football, so maybe he is with his beard as well.

00:52:05.000 Exact with his facial hair.

00:52:07.000 Because I thought that what deservedly looked like is the sort of least popular member of a boy band. 0.99

00:52:13.000 You know, like they have one that's sort of like, you can be in the boy band, but we know that you're struggling with your weight.

00:52:20.000 And we're not going to let you be near the front.

00:52:23.000 He's like that and he deserves it.

00:52:25.000 But he's taken over from Graham Potter and he's fundamentally improved.

00:52:31.000 It doesn't make sense that Brighton, Southampton used to be like that.

00:52:35.000 They keep being a bit too... Right, when they brought in Pochettino for example.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 They're not deteriorating as a result of the transitions.

00:52:48.000 I always think that's surprising.

00:52:50.000 I was listening to a podcast the other day that was saying that there's never been anyone like him in the Premier League in the kind of effect that he's had on Brighton.

00:52:57.000 Never!

00:52:59.000 That's what they were saying.

00:52:59.000 Never!

00:53:00.000 This was on a BBC football podcast and they were saying there's never been anyone who's done what he's done.

00:53:05.000 I guess in the fact that he's come in like midway through a season.

00:53:10.000 He's changed Brighton in terms of the style of the way that they play.

00:53:13.000 It seems to have changed massively under Graham Potter.

00:53:16.000 I mean it's amazing.

00:53:17.000 Apparently he's a lovely, lovely guy as well.

00:53:20.000 Potter got the job at Chelsea on the basis that What he'd done at Brighton was incredible, as well as his previous employment in the game of football.

00:53:29.000 He eventually ascends to one of the top positions in British football, manager of Chelsea, albeit a position that's understood to be quite temporary.

00:53:40.000 Then De Zerby's come in and sort of been a bit better, a bit better than him.

00:53:44.000 Quite a lot better.

00:53:45.000 When you go on holiday, you want people at home to say it's raining.

00:53:49.000 Of course you do.

00:53:50.000 People go, it's raining here, you're having a good time on holiday, it's raining here.

00:53:53.000 You don't want to go, it's brilliant weather here.

00:53:54.000 It's great here, we love it.

00:53:56.000 Potter must have been looking at Brighton and thinking, oh no, I've got all these too many good players here at Chelsea on contracts that are too long and Brighton are better now.

00:54:07.000 He must have experienced some self-doubt.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, you would think so, yeah.

00:54:11.000 I mean, it's got to be hard.

00:54:12.000 I think you've got to turn to your character at that point, don't you, to kind of get you through.

00:54:16.000 Because there'll be another job for Graham Potter.

00:54:19.000 Yeah, but what happens?

00:54:20.000 Because, like, I think that there's a sort of, there's an upward trajectory.

00:54:24.000 Say Hasenhuttle of Southampton, there was a minute where he was looking like, oh, he's in the ascendancy.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, he's new clop at one point.

00:54:31.000 He's gonna get a new, he's gonna get a brilliant job, and then it sort of doesn't, if you don't, there's so much timing, if you don't jump ship at the right moment, then you go back into descent.

00:54:39.000 Like, other than this peculiar anomaly of Frank Lampard being given another job at Chelsea temporarily, what can, like, and I like Frank Lampard, But he's seemingly can do no wrong in the managerial sense.

00:54:52.000 Doesn't matter how many times he fails.

00:54:55.000 Gavin, have a go.

00:54:56.000 Have you worked it out?

00:54:57.000 What can he realistically be trusted with after this?

00:55:01.000 That seems like a genuine representation of where he is.

00:55:05.000 Well, they're getting poached now, aren't they at Chelsea?

00:55:07.000 Chelsea are getting Pochettino.

00:55:07.000 That's the thing.

00:55:10.000 I suppose the main story is this.

00:55:12.000 Here are some main actual football stories.

00:55:14.000 Are West Ham going to win a European trophy?

00:55:16.000 Are Man City now unstoppable?

00:55:17.000 Of course they are.

00:55:18.000 Will Arsenal be in the running next year?

00:55:22.000 Or will Chelsea be better? 0.84

00:55:23.000 Yes.

00:55:24.000 Will Tottenham be better?

00:55:25.000 Probably.

00:55:26.000 Will Liverpool be better?

00:55:27.000 Will Manchester United be better?

00:55:27.000 Probably.

00:55:29.000 Probably.

00:55:30.000 I think if I was an Arsenal fan, and I know it's a peculiar curse to bear, an Arsenal fan.

00:55:37.000 At least if you're a West Ham fan, you don't expect anything.

00:55:41.000 Do you know what I think will happen? 0.99

00:55:43.000 AZ and ACMA, they'll beat us and we won't get to the final of that mad, stupid, made-up competition that we're doing well in. 0.99

00:55:50.000 That's what I expect. 0.97

00:55:51.000 No, I think you'll go through and then you'll face this other Fiorentina or Basel, isn't it?

00:55:56.000 And Basel, I think, one up from that.

00:55:58.000 Or 2-1, one of those.

00:56:00.000 I don't know.

00:56:02.000 Are we going to go to a 22,000 seater in the Czech Republic?

00:56:06.000 The answer is yes!

00:56:07.000 Let's go to the Czech Republic to a final! 0.92

00:56:10.000 It would be amazing.

00:56:11.000 It would be amazing to watch that.

00:56:13.000 And then are Arsenal going to do well next season?

00:56:16.000 I don't think so.

00:56:17.000 Because I think Man City are just an unstoppable sort of killing machine now.

00:56:23.000 And perfectly embodied by the red-helmeted Haaland.

00:56:29.000 There's nothing that can realistically be done to stop them.

00:56:32.000 The Man City thing, isn't it, is like, you know, in terms of, like, from a footballing sense, people were like, well, look at the size of their squad, they're able to, like, you know, rest certain players and bring in other players who are just as good as those players.

00:56:44.000 But there is another, and obviously with Arsenal, you could point to the injuries that they got at the wrong time, in a Saliba got injured at the wrong time of the season.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, but like Gary Neville says, you can't just have one injury and then say that the whole project doesn't work anymore.

00:56:55.000 Well, exactly.

00:56:56.000 So there's got to be something else, hasn't there?

00:56:58.000 And that's when people start saying, you know, phrases like Arsenal choked it and stuff like that.

00:57:01.000 Bottled it.

00:57:02.000 Bottled it. It's a mentality isn't it at that point and it's always a fascinating thing for me in football

00:57:08.000 That you know as many tactics as you've got and as many like amazing players and everything that's something like

00:57:15.000 you know Personality and character and that. A clear example of that

00:57:18.000 is Fergie's last title like in In his final season as manager, they managed to win the Premier League, which in retrospect looks like a team that shouldn't have been capable of that, certainly on the basis of what they did for the subsequent 10 years now and immediately afterwards.

00:57:36.000 That person was able through will and belief.

00:57:41.000 My fascination with football, even though I'm fascinated with many aspects of it, the game itself, the moments of drama it can produce, transfers, the history of the clubs, the behaviour of the fans, what it really comes down to to me, I think, is the power of belief and thought.

00:57:56.000 That's why I fixate in particular on managers, So I think, like, can individuals create meaningful change?

00:58:04.000 Now, look at that team.

00:58:05.000 Mind you, it does look like quite a good team.

00:58:06.000 You've got Patrice, you've got Wayne Rooney, you've got, like, I mean, yeah, I'm Percy.

00:58:12.000 Rio's still there.

00:58:13.000 There's me on the left.

00:58:15.000 There's you.

00:58:16.000 I mean, he looked more like you then, didn't he?

00:58:18.000 Even more.

00:58:19.000 Like De Gea still regarded as a good footballer before West Ham ended his career with that gently rolling blunder by Benrahma.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, that somehow, through belief, you can create something.

00:58:33.000 And it's like, with Guardiola, obviously there is a kind of genius in him, but it must be, I think, the power of charisma.

00:58:43.000 Trust me.

00:58:44.000 If he just relayed all of his information into an AI device and it dispatched that information, I don't think the results would be the same.

00:58:52.000 There is something human and interpersonal.

00:58:53.000 And I think as we continue to see the power of commerce and technology dehumanising us and stripping our culture of meaning, Even when enhancing superficial beauty or efficacy or safety or convenience or whatever the claims that are made by commerce are, the idea that something about human beings can't be replicated, that amounts to sacredness, I think, in the world now, that they have a sacred role to play.

00:59:19.000 I heard someone say the other day that there were certain managers that you never would see on the pitch.

00:59:25.000 You know, like if Fergie, now you're in trouble if he'd come down, or they'd ruin things, like their ideas would be annoying, you wouldn't want them, it's left to the coaches, that kind of stuff.

00:59:37.000 But it almost is a totemic and talismanic power that these figures have.

00:59:43.000 And I suppose there's many ways of doing that, whether it's Roy Hodgson's presumed avuncular sweetness, or... You know, what is it they're bloody well doing?

00:59:51.000 I mean, look at Allardyce.

00:59:52.000 I mean, Leeds the other day, that was an amazing game.

00:59:55.000 I actually watched that, and it looked like Leeds were going 2-0 up at one point, and then Bamford missed the penalty, and I mean, that would have been a massive result for Leeds.

01:00:02.000 They ended up drawing 2-2, and they look good.

01:00:05.000 Like, Leeds look good.

01:00:06.000 Leeds have looked so, so bad.

01:00:08.000 And then Sam Allardyce comes in, and I just thought, what a joke of an appointment.

01:00:13.000 No offence against Sam Allardyce, but it feels so long ago that Allardyce had anything to do with the game.

01:00:20.000 And yet, evidently from the way that they played, and what a lot of pundits are saying is, it hasn't had an effect on them.

01:00:26.000 And what's he doing?

01:00:27.000 Sam Allardyce isn't getting involved like De Zerby does with Brighton.

01:00:31.000 It's something else, isn't it?

01:00:33.000 He said, didn't he, that he knows as much as Klopp or Guardiola, right?

01:00:37.000 And then afterwards when they sort of went, you can't say that, because of their achievements in the game, like you've not won the competitions that they have won, he said, I was doing what Fergie done, like I was taking attention away from the players and putting it on me.

01:00:52.000 So he sort of actually made yet another claim while trying to... Yeah, I saw that and I thought, with Sam Allardyce, I wonder if he could sort of say, like, is it that you can instill in the Leeds team, like, listen, you're going in the Championship next year, this is about, you're playing for your lives, you've got two games.

01:01:10.000 Otherwise, everything's going to change for you.

01:01:12.000 You don't know what it's like yet.

01:01:13.000 You ain't had that experience.

01:01:14.000 You don't want to have that experience.

01:01:16.000 I wonder what it is you say to people.

01:01:18.000 I mean, the way that in their style of play, it literally looked like they were trying harder.

01:01:22.000 I know there's that, like, joke that we say, like, pressing is trying harder, but they were chasing everything down in a way that Leeds haven't done maybe all season.

01:01:29.000 So, I mean, if that's one of the results that Allardyce has had, then I don't know.

01:01:35.000 But something's changed.

01:01:36.000 We got some stuff here.

01:01:38.000 G Held said, I just caught episode one's Barbecue with a Neighbour story, it was priceless.

01:01:43.000 Has Gareth seen The Neighbour recently?

01:01:44.000 Has Gareth been to any other social events recently?

01:01:47.000 Have you?

01:01:47.000 No, I haven't been to social events, and The Neighbour, I worry about every time I drive back to my... Casey hears this.

01:01:54.000 Well, no, I worry about bumping into him, because I think that, I think, now, as a result of telling you this story, that maybe he's feeling awkward about this as well.

01:02:03.000 Because it was a bit of a, it was a strange night.

01:02:05.000 It was a strange night. 0.95

01:02:06.000 Why don't you go round there tonight and secretly record yourself making sexual remarks in his presence? 0.98

01:02:14.000 Okay. 0.66

01:02:14.000 And then we'll play it on the show. 0.66

01:02:15.000 Okay, right.

01:02:16.000 Like that you're just round there going, I enjoyed that barbecue.

01:02:19.000 You know I've charred my chops.

01:02:20.000 Okay.

01:02:21.000 You know I've smoked my bacon.

01:02:23.000 Or the tip of my sausage.

01:02:24.000 It was black as new.

01:02:24.000 Right.

01:02:25.000 Goat's knock-off.

01:02:26.000 Stuff like that.

01:02:27.000 You want me to ensnare him, do you?

01:02:29.000 Yeah, ensnare him with innuendo.

01:02:31.000 Right.

01:02:32.000 I call it sexual barbecue entendre.

01:02:35.000 Nice.

01:02:36.000 I don't think he'll respond well to it.

01:02:38.000 He was a very matter-of-fact guy.

01:02:40.000 He'll fart you straight out the door. 0.99

01:02:42.000 His arsehole will be wide, gaping wide open, like Arsenal's defence without Saliba, and it'll stink about as bad. 0.99

01:02:49.000 Right. 1.00

01:02:50.000 And he'll say, hold on a minute though, the man downstairs By which he means his penis. 1.00

01:02:55.000 Seems to want a lot more from me. 0.99

01:02:58.000 I've kept a very low profile in that flat.

01:03:00.000 I really have.

01:03:01.000 Sneaking in and out most mornings.

01:03:04.000 PrimalColin, my mate from the chat, PrimalColin2, you didn't say what position you'd be in at Fiverside.

01:03:09.000 AtHammy goes, did you play Fiverside?

01:03:11.000 Did you play well or too anxious?

01:03:13.000 I didn't go.

01:03:14.000 I went to the cinema and watched Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

01:03:16.000 Well, that's not the same thing.

01:03:17.000 I ate some really bad food and I felt really bad about myself because of it.

01:03:21.000 I went with my children.

01:03:22.000 They got bored.

01:03:22.000 I did a U-turn on a dual carriageway in a camper van like there was proper mental.

01:03:28.000 Oh my good God.

01:03:30.000 Um, I should- You know what that is?

01:03:31.000 That's karma, that is.

01:03:32.000 That's the universe telling you you should have manned up and played- Sorry to use that phrase these days, but you should have- Personed up.

01:03:37.000 Personed up and played football.

01:03:39.000 Adulted up.

01:03:40.000 I should have done, because here's the chat for the group, the five-side chat.

01:03:44.000 You can't be in the chat.

01:03:44.000 You're in the chat.

01:03:45.000 I'm in the chat!

01:03:46.000 I'm contributing to the chat!

01:03:48.000 You haven't even played!

01:03:49.000 I'm gonna say, I'm coming.

01:03:50.000 Alright, I'm saying I'm coming.

01:03:52.000 Hi, guys.

01:03:52.000 Right.

01:03:54.000 Good.

01:03:54.000 Good start.

01:03:56.000 Can I see whether your willy's in my willy?

01:03:59.000 No.

01:03:59.000 Could be bound together with scotch tape.

01:04:01.000 No, that's not... Oh no!

01:04:02.000 Delete!

01:04:03.000 I've said it!

01:04:03.000 Delete!

01:04:03.000 Oh no!

01:04:05.000 Different text.

01:04:07.000 Guys, why don't you and us... No, no, I'm not going to do that.

01:04:10.000 I'm not going to send that.

01:04:12.000 Look, I will.

01:04:12.000 I want to do it this week.

01:04:13.000 I just... What day is it on?

01:04:15.000 It's very revealing about my personality problem.

01:04:18.000 Uh, Thursday night.

01:04:19.000 Thursday night, okay.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, so essentially tonight when we play this out.

01:04:23.000 Got it, alright.

01:04:24.000 So I could be going.

01:04:25.000 Yeah.

01:04:25.000 Should I go?

01:04:26.000 They play every Thursday, do they?

01:04:27.000 Every week.

01:04:28.000 Oh my word.

01:04:29.000 Well, I do want to come.

01:04:29.000 One Thursday, I'm dragging you there.

01:04:31.000 You're going to drag me there?

01:04:32.000 Yes, yes.

01:04:33.000 You've told me what to do.

01:04:34.000 Play at the back and focus on distribution.

01:04:36.000 Right.

01:04:37.000 Keep my head up.

01:04:38.000 Yeah.

01:04:38.000 Be confident.

01:04:39.000 Just think of it as exercise.

01:04:40.000 Don't overthink it.

01:04:41.000 There you go.

01:04:41.000 The problem is vanity.

01:04:43.000 Yes.

01:04:44.000 Isn't it?

01:04:44.000 It's like I only want to do things I'm good at.

01:04:47.000 But increasingly we're finding out... Like this!

01:04:51.000 I know!

01:04:52.000 It's extraordinary.

01:04:54.000 Like look at the standard I'm holding myself to today.

01:04:56.000 You'd think, why would I expect to go on that pitch and be Franz Beckenbauer, when it's

01:05:02.000 something that I do for a living.

01:05:03.000 Imagine if you do it and then everything changes for you.

01:05:06.000 You just give up the rest of your life.

01:05:08.000 About five years of side football.

01:05:11.000 With my mates.

01:05:13.000 At Sharon, I love the gerbils story.

01:05:15.000 Peed myself laughing.

01:05:17.000 I hope not at the death of my little gerbils.

01:05:19.000 Those little guys.

01:05:21.000 I've had a lot of tough times with animals.

01:05:23.000 I've got a lot of scars from rabbits.

01:05:25.000 Rabbits?

01:05:26.000 What about, didn't you have little mice that all ate each other?

01:05:28.000 Or was that the gerbils that ate each other?

01:05:30.000 So I had some rats that ate each other.

01:05:32.000 I had a mouse that lived in my hair.

01:05:35.000 I had the gerbils, of course.

01:05:38.000 Rabbits that bit me, for a while I had that.

01:05:42.000 I had those little shrimps that all jumped out of the floor. 0.99

01:05:45.000 Then I backed them up with Henry the Hoover and they burst out the bag.

01:05:49.000 What's all these shrimps doing in the hoover bag? 1.00

01:05:52.000 I wish I could tell you about that.

01:05:54.000 Why's Henry the Hoover crying?

01:05:55.000 That's between Henry and myself.

01:05:57.000 Why did your mum keep allowing you to have pets? 0.89

01:06:00.000 I was trying to... She thought it would be good for me, socialise me, as I see it was.

01:06:05.000 Did she call them friends?

01:06:06.000 Go on, go upstairs with your friends.

01:06:08.000 You'll be alright.

01:06:09.000 They're not friends!

01:06:12.000 They're no friends of mine!

01:06:14.000 Predictions.

01:06:14.000 I thought Russell was spreading misinformation.

01:06:16.000 How could Russell proclaim ever and had any sort of chance against Man City?

01:06:19.000 Turns out he didn't.

01:06:20.000 If Man City then become actually invincible to the romance of the underdog, that's when it's all over.

01:06:27.000 I don't want City to get beat by Raoul.

01:06:29.000 So, you know, that result's done now, isn't it?

01:06:31.000 I want City to do well in the Champions League to establish dominance of the English game over our European competitors.

01:06:39.000 I think it's a shame if they... Do you want them to do the treble?

01:06:45.000 I mean, they're just going to.

01:06:46.000 It's either going to be this season or next season.

01:06:48.000 There's an inevitability about Man City.

01:06:51.000 I think that's the slightly depressing thing.

01:06:53.000 That's why I wanted Arsenal to win.

01:06:54.000 I don't actually really like Arsenal.

01:06:58.000 Man City and nothing against them. Again, I like Pep Guardiola, I like a lot of those players.

01:07:02.000 It's actually not about the individuals. It's not even actually about the team. It's about

01:07:06.000 it's impossible to extract it from the fact that there is, it's currently the most obvious example

01:07:15.000 of how outside factors are influencing the game. Chelsea used to be that, Man United used to be

01:07:18.000 game. Chelsea used to be that, Man United used to be that and

01:07:21.000 that and but when people sort of make arguments about Nottingham Forest being it, I think that's

01:07:21.000 but when people sort of make arguments about Nottingham Forest being it, I think that's when it's because Nottingham

01:07:27.000 Forest, that's the ingenuity of individuals and the cohesion of a team like Clough

01:07:33.000 and Taylor and then like and now it feels like we are sort of moving towards like whilst it's always appalled

01:07:40.000 me that in American sport franchises like the LA Raiders have come from

01:07:43.000 somewhere else or they've gone somewhere like they'll just move about. Like what do the fans feel?

01:07:47.000 They've just took their football team and put it somewhere else.

01:07:49.000 But like now you sort of in a way have that.

01:07:53.000 The fans are in a sense set dressing for an Abu Dhabi enterprise.

01:07:58.000 Like you could, as we learned during Covid, that you can extract the fans from the experience.

01:08:03.000 Albeit, it does massively diminish the entire spectacle.

01:08:08.000 It does hollow it out.

01:08:09.000 It is weird to hear the ringing shouts of players talking to one another.

01:08:14.000 And the expletives.

01:08:15.000 It is difficult to be denied things like this.

01:08:17.000 There's a TV show called The Chase.

01:08:19.000 Have a look at The Beast first, actually, guys, to establish the idea.

01:08:22.000 There's a TV show called The Chase, and there's this guy in it called The Beast, and The Beast looks like that.

01:08:28.000 And have a look at what fans... I don't know what the game was like.

01:08:31.000 It's Cambridge versus Stevenage.

01:08:32.000 Look at that.

01:08:33.000 Like, there is that guy.

01:08:34.000 Look at him in the high-vis, the big guy, by the post.

01:08:37.000 Listen to the fans shouting this thing.

01:08:38.000 It's funny.

01:08:39.000 Chains in the morning, chains in the morning, chains in the morning.

01:08:46.000 You've got to chase in the morning.

01:08:48.000 I've got that in me.

01:08:49.000 As much as he's got to just sort of stand there and listen to that.

01:08:52.000 It's enjoyable, it's fun.

01:08:54.000 I love the commitment to that.

01:08:56.000 And one person will have just said it and other people join in.

01:08:58.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:09:00.000 That's what's beautiful about it.

01:09:01.000 It is beautiful.

01:09:02.000 It's one of the things that's beautiful.

01:09:03.000 And also, I don't feel like what's Underline that. 0.99

01:09:06.000 Yeah, let's destroy this guy and hurt him. 0.98

01:09:10.000 No, I think it isn't. 0.99

01:09:11.000 It's playful.

01:09:12.000 It's fun.

01:09:13.000 And the amazing thing about that, just to come full circle, is when you have these modern grounds where you can't get anywhere near the bloody pitch anymore, you don't have situations like that.

01:09:22.000 In fact, it's...

01:09:23.000 Even its architecture is sanitary if you think of the feeling of the London Stadium.

01:09:28.000 It's sort of low, there are no enclaves, there are no sudden little ghettos of dank darkness where culture might brew in that mushroom fungal environment. 0.55

01:09:40.000 Hey listen, we're going to do the rest of this show over on locals now and after that we're going to look at a very very nice footballer, Declan Rice.

01:09:48.000 On the show tomorrow we're going to be looking at RFK's Fauci claims, you're going to love that.

01:09:51.000 We're going to be looking at succession and what he can tell us about the role of media in elections and is succession unwittingly a kind of a tool for the liberal assumption that there are goodies and baddies in the old school way.

01:10:05.000 We'll also be talking to former MI5 intelligence officer Annie Mashon.

01:10:09.000 Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 18, 2023

Hang On, The CIA Are Recruiting Russians For WHAT?! - #132 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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