Stay Free - Russel Brand - Happy New War? Is History Repeating Itself? - #054

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00:02:00.000 It's a new year.

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00:02:10.000 Welcome back to Stay Free with Russell Brand.

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00:02:18.000 Saul Richer, I'm Russell Brand.

00:02:20.000 I'm the host of Stay Free with Russell Brand, live on Rumble.

00:02:23.000 We're also live on YouTube, but we won't be live on YouTube for long because some of the content coming up would literally get us banned from YouTube.

00:02:33.000 We simply can't talk about it on this platform, not because it's in any way spreading hate or misanthropy or anything other than love and a deep faith that within you is all the power you need to change the world.

00:02:44.000 Thankfully, that power is not fossil fuel.

00:02:46.000 Otherwise, they would think of a reason to go to war with you and nick that fossil fuel.

00:02:51.000 Gareth Royce, the producer of the show, we make it together with a dedicated team of radicals with a variety of beliefs.

00:02:57.000 It's inconvenient, actually, how much variety there is in the beliefs.

00:03:01.000 Now, in 2023, the stories you'll be interested about, and the story we're going to give you a different take on, are McCarthy.

00:03:06.000 He's the Speaker of the House now, after lots of little mini-mini elections, after Donald Trump's name appearing on a phone, after someone happened to be sort of mouth gag handled like that.

00:03:14.000 I didn't like them having to do that to that poor little fella.

00:03:17.000 Dragging it backwards like that from a melee.

00:03:17.000 No.

00:03:19.000 We'll be talking a little bit about that.

00:03:21.000 We're going to be talking about Prince Harry.

00:03:22.000 You probably care a little bit about that, don't you?

00:03:24.000 Is it an indication that there's some deep state involvement in the interest of powerful institutions and the way that media relays information?

00:03:33.000 Let us know what you think in the chat.

00:03:34.000 This we're going to be taking a deeper look at today.

00:03:36.000 BlackRock are going to be buying up much of Ukraine.

00:03:39.000 It's astonishing to learn that there's going to be an investment firm of that degree of notoriety and potency involved in the reconstruction Of Ukraine.

00:03:47.000 It's extraordinary to me how unilateral the data is that's available on mainstream media about this conflict when there's evidently a good deal of complexity.

00:03:56.000 But that's one of the things we're going to be asking you about.

00:03:58.000 Who cares?

00:03:59.000 Who cares what I think?

00:04:01.000 There's the Three Amigos Summit.

00:04:02.000 We're going to tell you a little bit about that.

00:04:03.000 It's not what you think it's going to be.

00:04:05.000 We're going to be looking at different flavours of New Year propaganda, whether it's Joe Biden's propaganda, Rishi Sunak's propaganda or Russian propaganda, which is sort of amazing.

00:04:15.000 The best one.

00:04:15.000 It's more light-hearted, I think, as propaganda goes.

00:04:19.000 It's more glitzy.

00:04:20.000 It's extraordinary.

00:04:22.000 In our deep dive presentation, here's the news.

00:04:25.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:04:26.000 We're going to be looking at the Canadian truckers and the redefinition of the word violence and the way that language is being mobilised, utilised, metastasised and altered in order To fit the intentions and incentives of the powerful.

00:04:39.000 And of course, we've got a guest on the show.

00:04:41.000 It's Branko Marticic, who we're going to be talking about.

00:04:44.000 Is it a proxy war in the Ukraine?

00:04:46.000 You tell me.

00:04:47.000 We're going to learn a little bit more about that by simply by asking people who know more about it than we do, of which there is an abundance.

00:04:55.000 But first, I want to assure you that the system is fine.

00:04:58.000 Don't collapse into existential despair.

00:05:04.000 And the reassurance can be offered on the basis of, like, did you see that now the powerful are so keen to do well on TikTok that all of their propaganda is being managed and manipulated into sort of, like, nice little 30-second pieces?

00:05:20.000 Now, I was of an understanding that if the deep state wanted to control a social media platform, they simply infiltrate it with their agents, like Elon Musk has revealed has been happening at Twitter.

00:05:29.000 Give them $3.5 million.

00:05:31.000 Pay them a bit of money.

00:05:32.000 Over Twitter and they'll fulfil your agenda.

00:05:34.000 But also there's an aesthetic consideration.

00:05:37.000 Did you see this?

00:05:38.000 Of Joe Biden just glibly signing bills like they're autographs.

00:05:42.000 That's the machinery of government.

00:05:44.000 That's government live that you're watching.

00:05:46.000 An elderly man risking his wrist to sign things at a pace that I think is frankly inadvisable.

00:05:54.000 Let's have a look at that.

00:05:56.000 Folks, we're wrapping up one of the most productive, one of the most productive legislative sessions in decades.

00:06:01.000 Today, we've got 65.

00:06:02.000 65 bipartisan votes.

00:06:06.000 Why would you caress a stack of bills like that?

00:06:08.000 What's he going to do next?

00:06:09.000 Sniff its hair?

00:06:10.000 I think he's worried that they're going to fall on him.

00:06:12.000 He'll be crushed.

00:06:13.000 We think he's sitting like Jenga.

00:06:15.000 For me to sign the law.

00:06:17.000 Ready, get set, go.

00:06:24.000 It's not about the speed that you sign bills, isn't it?

00:06:26.000 It's about the efficacy of them.

00:06:28.000 This one, this was paid for by Pfizer lobbying.

00:06:31.000 This is the military-industrial complex.

00:06:32.000 It's meant to be how it affects and improves the lives of ordinary Americans.

00:06:37.000 Did you see how quickly he signed those things?

00:06:39.000 That's very bloody impressive.

00:06:40.000 Yeah, races should be about things that, like, warrant races.

00:06:45.000 Even an eating competition, you can see some legitimacy, although in these times of crisis, maybe not.

00:06:50.000 But signing bills seems a step too far.

00:06:52.000 There's no value in it.

00:06:54.000 Ridiculous that they've even bothered to do that.

00:06:58.000 Similarly, Biden still doesn't seem to understand how fentanyl is affecting America.

00:07:04.000 Now, I think fentanyl originated from America.

00:07:06.000 Certainly the Sackler family were heavily involved in the opioid crisis.

00:07:10.000 Bedevilled and destroyed the lives of millions of Americans.

00:07:14.000 Now, Joe Biden seems to think the main reason that there's fentanyl in America is because it's coming from Mexico, even though he somewhat underestimates the potency of a lethal drug.

00:07:26.000 Stay with us if you're watching this on YouTube.

00:07:27.000 We're just going to be with you a few more minutes, and then on the other side of the line, only on Rumble, we're going to be going into some depth about this propaganda.

00:07:34.000 Let's have a look at Joe chatting about fentanyl.

00:07:36.000 For example, since August of last year, Customs and Border Patrol has seized more than 20,000 pounds of deadly fentanyl.

00:07:46.000 That's enough to kill as many as 1,000 people in this country.

00:07:49.000 20,000 pounds of fentanyl.

00:07:53.000 All that fentanyl.

00:07:53.000 Oh, look at that.

00:07:54.000 All that bloody fentanyl.

00:07:56.000 How much fentanyl would that actually... 20,000 pounds of fentanyl would kill 4.5 billion people.

00:08:02.000 Well, if you want population control, as some people say they do, that's the way to do it.

00:08:07.000 Through the old fentanyl.

00:08:08.000 It's 50 times stronger than heroin, 100 times stronger than morphine.

00:08:13.000 A record 100,000 people in the US died from opioid overdoses in 12 months.

00:08:17.000 So you don't need to worry about it coming from Mexico.

00:08:18.000 It's already in America.

00:08:20.000 I mean, that was the opioid crisis, wasn't it?

00:08:22.000 That's what it was.

00:08:23.000 The fentanyl was already there.

00:08:24.000 That fentanyl has had to go from America to Mexico.

00:08:27.000 It's coming back in.

00:08:28.000 Someone should build a wall.

00:08:29.000 You need a wall!

00:08:30.000 Then you could just lob the fentanyl over the top of that wall.

00:08:34.000 It's not like he's saying the word deadly as if it's become deadly since it was in Mexico.

00:08:38.000 It's not like they've put chilies in it.

00:08:41.000 Right, when we said, what have you done to this fentanyl?

00:08:43.000 And when we sent it over the wall, it was delicious.

00:08:45.000 It was definitely when it was part of OxyContin, which Purdue Pharma were producing, which they gave money, and then they gave money to the US government in lobbying.

00:08:52.000 The problem with fentanyl is not Mexico.

00:08:54.000 And before you think that there is no racism or certainly no negative classification of Mexican folk still ongoing, Look at this.

00:09:04.000 Migration issues cast long shadow over Biden's visit to Free Amigos Summit.

00:09:08.000 They're literally calling it the Free Amigos Summit.

00:09:11.000 Don't call something Free Amigos Summit if Justin Trudeau's involved.

00:09:16.000 He's one of the amigos, isn't he?

00:09:17.000 That guy don't need much of an invitation to dress up.

00:09:21.000 Look at how, when he had a brief opportunity to talk to Vladimir Zelensky, look at how radically he changed his voice to talk to Zelensky.

00:09:30.000 Hello, Vladimir.

00:09:31.000 It's Rishi and Justin.

00:09:32.000 Oh, hello, Vladimir.

00:09:35.000 Dissolve your friends.

00:09:36.000 Can we put on combat fatigues and pretend to be tough leaders like you?

00:09:40.000 Look how Rishi Sunak's leaning into that phone, for God's sake.

00:09:43.000 What are they on, Snapchat?

00:09:45.000 Are they worried that that image is going to dissolve?

00:09:47.000 I think Sunak was excited to be in that situation at the time.

00:09:50.000 They're buzzing, aren't they?

00:09:51.000 They're buzzing their little tips off.

00:09:54.000 So don't call it something like The Three Amigos because you know that Trudeau will be looking to get a costume on and be trying to recreate this little move.

00:10:02.000 We're The Three Amigos!

00:10:07.000 At least when Chevy Chase did it, he didn't apply any facial makeup, is what I would say.

00:10:12.000 But these stories... I was going to say, it's kind of rife with hypocrisy, this whole thing, isn't it?

00:10:17.000 Because you've got Biden there talking about, you know, deadly fentanyl, when we've just spoken about the kind of relationship between the Sacklers and Purdue Pharma and the deals that they've done in order to not be, you know, I think they've paid out six Billion or something when they've made 30 billion out of the oxycontin thing in the first place.

00:10:34.000 Did they do that thing where they went, we ain't got a company no more.

00:10:36.000 They did do that, yeah.

00:10:37.000 We've shut down that company.

00:10:38.000 Yeah.

00:10:39.000 Have you got any money somewhere else?

00:10:40.000 No, no.

00:10:41.000 They were always pulling that little move, weren't they?

00:10:43.000 They said, well, we weren't Purdue Pharma.

00:10:44.000 That was a company, yeah, alright, it was something to do with us, but the other sackler was running that.

00:10:48.000 All those bastards at Purdue Pharma, like Johnson & Johnson.

00:10:51.000 Whenever Johnson & Johnson allegedly, allegedly get Allegedly.

00:10:55.000 For carcinogens in baby powder, which they've never been done for because they've always settled out of court.

00:11:01.000 They always go, that's not us, Johnson & Johnson, that was Johnson, preferred Johnson, like a middle titty, a middle titty of bad baby milk and wretched baby powder.

00:11:12.000 And then the other kind of hypocrisy within this is that, you know, he's talking about this happening at the border wall, that, you know, this deadly fentanyl is coming in at this border wall, that when he was being elected, he spoke so much about the wall, then I won't build not another foot of the border wall.

00:11:28.000 And yet actually news is that he has restarted building elements or parts of the border wall.

00:11:33.000 So it's just these inaccuracies and hypocrisies within lots of the things that we're hearing coming from Biden in this case.

00:11:39.000 So if you're watching this in YouTube, we're going to have to leave now because we are going to show some content from Russia today, which is, I think, absolutely banned on YouTube.

00:11:48.000 And even on this platform, Rumble isn't allowed in some countries.

00:11:51.000 I think there's ongoing action between Rumble and the country of France.

00:11:54.000 We're not showing it in any way because we're in support of Russia.

00:11:57.000 We think this is crazy propaganda the same way as US propaganda is crazy, UK propaganda.

00:12:02.000 All propaganda has the same end, to distract you from reality, to bludgeon you into a hypnotized state so you're more compliant.

00:12:09.000 We're not supporting Russian propaganda, but we're going to show you it so we can laugh at it together.

00:12:14.000 Now, if you're watching this on YouTube, go on over right now to Rumble so you can enjoy us ridiculing a little bit of Russian state propaganda, which I think is a bit better and more enjoyable in some ways than US propaganda, but still propaganda.

00:12:26.000 We'll never show that on this platform.

00:12:27.000 If you're part of the six million awakening wonders over there, join us on Rumble right now.

00:12:31.000 So let's have a look at this propaganda on Russia.

00:12:35.000 Russian television propaganda has got a different Flavour.

00:12:38.000 You can certainly see recognisable archetypes and figures.

00:12:42.000 Flavour was about 40 years ago, isn't it?

00:12:44.000 Yeah.

00:12:44.000 It's very dated.

00:12:45.000 There's something about it.

00:12:46.000 The lighting.

00:12:47.000 I don't know what it is.

00:12:48.000 But let's have a... Can we have a little look at some of it, please?

00:12:51.000 Firstly, I like to... It's like, who is this guy?

00:12:52.000 Is this guy, like, Regis or, in our country, Bruce Forsythe?

00:12:56.000 Put them on, because they're doing jokes and everything.

00:12:58.000 It's amazing.

00:12:59.000 Today's toast will be somewhat unusual.

00:13:02.000 In the outgoing year, the West tried to destroy Russia, without even thinking that in the construction of the world, Russia is not a subject.

00:13:14.000 Also their rhetoric is a bit more, I would like to say, sort of blunt and brutal, like that Russia is the load-bearing structure and they talk about resources.

00:13:24.000 There's a sort of pragmatism and a plainness to their propaganda that I actually find a bit unnerving.

00:13:34.000 I suppose maybe because I've grown up on UK propaganda and US propaganda that I recognise it as sort of saccharine and dumb and stupid and turds rolled in glitter, whereas this stuff's like a turd rolled in spikes, so it has a sort of, I don't know, sort of balls to it that I find a little threatening.

00:13:51.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

00:13:52.000 Although, I think you only have to watch a bit of it.

00:13:54.000 I think because, as you say, you've grown up with it.

00:13:56.000 But American propaganda.

00:13:57.000 I mean, Mitch McConnell was talking about Ukraine the other day.

00:14:01.000 And he literally said, the most basic reasons for continuing to help Ukraine degrade and defeat the Russian invaders are cold, hard, practical American interests.

00:14:09.000 Like being so overt about the fact that Well, this is the reason we're in it is for American interest.

00:14:15.000 It's so bold and it's something that I know it seems a little different when you see it from Russia, but it's not a million miles off.

00:14:21.000 No, I suppose it's certainly not.

00:14:23.000 They certainly aren't wearing lovely little velvet smoking jackets to get their message over.

00:14:27.000 ...construction.

00:14:29.000 Russia is expanding.

00:14:34.000 Do you know what it takes to make Ukrainian borsch, French onion soup and German sausages?

00:14:46.000 Without Russian gas!

00:14:51.000 It's really haunting.

00:14:52.000 Hunger Games vibes isn't it?

00:14:56.000 Yeah man, that's some heavy propaganda.

00:14:58.000 I think it's sort of useful to look at the other side's propaganda just to get a better perspective on our own.

00:15:04.000 For propaganda surely we consume.

00:15:06.000 If we got unbiased news reporting in the mainstream media, if we had news that was not fundamentally a television show, then we would be aware of the complexity that's led to this conflict and we would be able to note the Corollary between this conflict and previous conflicts, many of us remember, obviously most of us remember, recall or have learned about the Iraq war and how ultimately it ended up servicing a lot of corporate and economic interests.

00:15:33.000 So it's startling to learn But BlackRock, the world's biggest investment company, are going to be heavily involved in the reconstruction projects in Ukraine that inevitably will follow this war when the military-industrial complex of Adler go.

00:15:49.000 Again, none of this is to say that Putin isn't a tyrant or Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not an incredible imposition that's causing a galling humanitarian disaster.

00:16:01.000 In Ukraine, for Ukrainian people.

00:16:04.000 But continually, I suppose the way that I think about it is why is the war in Yemen not reported on in the same way?

00:16:09.000 And that's one of the things we were talking about with Branko, our guest in a minute.

00:16:13.000 Here's the story.

00:16:13.000 Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and BlackRock CEO Larry Fink agreed to coordinate investment in rebuilding Ukraine.

00:16:19.000 Kiev announced Wednesday following a meeting between the two men.

00:16:21.000 read out from the Ukrainian president's official website said,

00:16:24.000 Zelensky and Fink had agreed to focus in the near term on coordinating the

00:16:27.000 efforts of all potential investors and participants in the reconstruction

00:16:31.000 of our country, channeling investment into the most relevant and impactful

00:16:35.000 sectors of the Ukrainian company. Now BlackRock are an investment company that have like, you know,

00:16:40.000 presumably thousands of investors, so I'm not saying this is a conspiratorial

00:16:44.000 matter, but the idea that BlackRock invest in endeavors that are

00:16:48.000 not profitable is pretty visible.

00:16:51.000 And when you look at what's happening currently with firms like Raytheon and Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems, there's an enormous amount of profit being gleaned from this conflict.

00:17:02.000 Remember Assange's edict The point of the Afghanistan war is not to end the conflict, but to prolong it because it's profitable.

00:17:10.000 Remember, that can still be true while saying that Putin is a malign figure and that Ukrainian people are suffering needlessly.

00:17:18.000 All you have to look at is history and recognize that there is a pattern.

00:17:22.000 Or is there not a pattern?

00:17:24.000 I mean, is there any comparisons that could be made between the current conflict between Ukraine and Russia and the West's invasion of Iraq, which is now widely accepted to have been undertaken with malign intentions?

00:17:37.000 So, with that in mind, we bring you the top five ways that this is definitely nothing like the Iraq war.

00:17:43.000 At number five, of course, one difference is the Iraq war was undertaken because he had to depose an evil leader in Saddam Hussein.

00:17:51.000 I don't remember if at the time they were always saying, oh, Saddam Hussein's got bad health.

00:17:55.000 He coughed the other day and a bit of his bum fell out.

00:17:58.000 Like, so that's one way.

00:17:59.000 Because with Vladimir Putin, he's not depicted as evil to a hysterical degree.

00:18:03.000 Number four, in Iraq there was a precious, profitable fossil fuel in the form of oil

00:18:11.000 that a lot of people wanted to get their hands on.

00:18:13.000 And of course in Ukraine, oh no, there is gas as well in Ukraine.

00:18:17.000 At number three, another way that it's different is during the Iraq war, George Bush Jr., George

00:18:24.000 W. Bush was president.

00:18:26.000 He was widely regarded as being a puppet, was ridiculed and mocked for his sort of R. Shucks mannerism and cowboyish dance.

00:18:34.000 And now, of course, we have Joe Biden, who, I mean, if he is a puppet, who's operating the strings for heaven's sake?

00:18:39.000 Have you seen that man try to teeter off a stage?

00:18:42.000 Number two, here's another way that it's different.

00:18:45.000 The Iraq war cost you, if you're an American, two trillion dollars, although I'm sure most Western nations contributed in some way, and this current conflict has cost a hundred billion plus over in Ukraine.

00:18:56.000 Much of... More money, in fact.

00:18:59.000 I think it's true, it tells you, and it seems ridiculous to say that America have spent more money on this war than Russia.

00:19:06.000 I'm going to check that again with Branko.

00:19:08.000 How can that be true?

00:19:09.000 I think in terms of military budgets, America has spent more than Russia's budget for this year.

00:19:15.000 So is it a proxy war?

00:19:16.000 You tell us, let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.

00:19:18.000 And who are the largest benefactors?

00:19:20.000 Of course in the Iraq war, Halliburton, who Dick Cheney was heavily involved with, became the benefactors.

00:19:25.000 And now we know that BlackRock, unless they're doing this philanthropically, like Pfizer said, they would undertake the development of a vaccine in the pandemic, you know, in exactly that manner.

00:19:35.000 It looks like BlackRock will at some point financially benefit from the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

00:19:41.000 Also, it kind of tells you that they're pretty confident in the outcome.

00:19:45.000 Like, you know, because my understanding is BlackRock are not in a position to make giddy, hysterical, Risky investments.

00:19:51.000 So presumably this war will continue for long enough for the military industrial complex to make a suitable profit to continue to take these, although McCarthy's election means that military budgets, Pentagon budgets, have been cut by 75 billion dollars.

00:20:05.000 Let me know if you think that's a good thing.

00:20:08.000 Or indeed a bad thing.

00:20:09.000 Let me know, let me know, let me know.

00:20:10.000 So that's just five ways that you can see clear correlatives between those two conflicts without suggesting that, again, the suffering of Ukrainian people is anything other than terrible.

00:20:21.000 There's also an inherent link between BlackRock and the US government.

00:20:27.000 It says here, BlackRock's Managing Director Eric Van Nordstrom was hired straight into the senior advisory position in the Biden Administration's Treasury Department just this past August, explicitly to shape U.S.

00:20:38.000 economic policy on Russia and Ukraine.

00:20:41.000 And of course, one of the worries about this is that BlackRock is essentially going to privatize the Ukraine.

00:20:46.000 That's now what's going to happen, much in the same way that BlackRock have done with the housing market in the U.S., like buying up huge swathes of the housing market and essentially Forcing a lot of Americans into never being able to buy their homes.

00:20:59.000 So this is like a trend that's already happening in the U.S.

00:21:03.000 And rather than the U.S.

00:21:04.000 government saying that's something that we've seen and we don't want repeated, it's now joining with BlackRock in pushing this agenda in the Ukraine.

00:21:13.000 And much like when you were talking about the colliery between Iraq, Hillary Clinton said at the time, in 2011, just at the end of the war, she said it's time for the U.S.

00:21:22.000 start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity.

00:21:26.000 JP Morgan was selected by the US government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq.

00:21:31.000 In 2013, it plans to expand its operations in the country.

00:21:34.000 ExxonMobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields.

00:21:38.000 Coincidentally, JP Morgan collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at

00:21:42.000 least £450,000 for her speeches.

00:21:44.000 ExxonMobil donated over $1 million to the family's foundation.

00:21:48.000 So these links are everywhere between these corporations who stand to benefit from being, you know, taken into these countries, whether it's Ukraine or Iraq.

00:21:58.000 And members of the US government.

00:22:00.000 So elsewhere in the world, democracy continues to feel unstable.

00:22:06.000 This I mentioned in connection to the hundreds of who've been arrested after Bolsonaro supporters stormed Brazil's Congress in what's being regarded as Brazil's January the 6th, even though they'd done it on January the 8th, two days later.

00:22:21.000 Supporters of former president invade federal government headquarters in the capital, Brasilia.

00:22:26.000 Which is one of them cities that they just made up to be a capital.

00:22:28.000 I don't like it when you go to a country and the capital city is not the main city.

00:22:32.000 London!

00:22:33.000 Even Washington, really.

00:22:33.000 That's the capital.

00:22:35.000 It should be, like, one of their main cities, I think.

00:22:39.000 Police are accused of colluding with the rioters.

00:22:41.000 Hey, this is really similar to the January 6th reporting.

00:22:45.000 The riot, an apparent attempt to overthrow President Luis Infecio Lula da Silva, just one week after he was inaugurated, caused significant damage to the headquarters of three branches of federal government.

00:22:55.000 Let's have a little look at that storming.

00:22:58.000 Bleak!

00:23:16.000 Also though, there are some brilliant comparisons to be made.

00:23:21.000 Like, one of the great... I mean, I don't think it's right to say heroes of January 6th because it's... We probably can't.

00:23:26.000 It's not a hero of it, an icon.

00:23:29.000 One of the icons was this guy.

00:23:31.000 And look, Brazil got their own version of that.

00:23:33.000 Now, do you think that... Firstly, I think that's a copyright infringement.

00:23:37.000 Yeah.

00:23:37.000 First and foremost.

00:23:38.000 It'd be furious, wouldn't it?

00:23:39.000 Yeah, he's going to be in his cell because I think he's serving a lumpy sentence for that skullduggery that day, thinking, man, you've nicked my whole look, my image, my stance.

00:23:50.000 The whole thing seems to be, you know, when people sometimes suggest, talk about the idea of controlled opposition, that sometimes, well, we know that they are.

00:23:59.000 We know that the FBI, for example, funds groups that they can then sort of arrest and go, oh, you're a terrorist.

00:24:06.000 Actually, it's a sort of a long history.

00:24:07.000 Post 9-11.

00:24:08.000 I'm not suggesting that's what's happening certainly on the capital or in Brazil, but I mean they are using sort of an identifiable template there and Glenn Greenwald, friend of the show, fellow Rumble commentator, has posted this picture of Bolsonaro not doing a very good job of eating KFC.

00:24:27.000 No.

00:24:28.000 And also a weird sort of odd poem.

00:24:30.000 Remember that Jair Bolsonaro himself left Brazil on the last day of his presidency for the US where he's living in the house of an ex-MMA fighter in Orlando.

00:24:38.000 He's yet to comment on these events.

00:24:40.000 He's not commented much since the election at all.

00:24:42.000 Just odd life.

00:24:43.000 Interesting life.

00:24:44.000 Going to an ex-MMA fighter's house.

00:24:46.000 Popping down KFC.

00:24:48.000 What's going on, man?

00:24:49.000 What drives you?

00:24:50.000 You were president a minute ago.

00:24:52.000 How does all this work?

00:24:53.000 Okay, so listen, we've taken a deeper dive into matters of democracy and the veils that present themselves as democracy only to be revealed as the agenda of globalist interest in our look at the Canadian trucker protests and, in particular, the redefinition of the term Violence to mean violence against economies.

00:25:16.000 Like, once language is messed with in these kind of ways, you can find yourself in peculiar situations.

00:25:20.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments what you think about the sort of manipulation of language and words and how that's being used by power to alter reality itself.

00:25:28.000 We're having a look at that with regard to the Canadian trucker protest.

00:25:32.000 In our item, here's the news.

00:25:33.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:25:39.000 Here's the fucking news!

00:25:42.000 Justin Trudeau has said that the Canadian truckers are tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists and the word violent now has been expanded to include violence against money.

00:25:42.000 Good news!

00:25:52.000 This should be really good for freedom.

00:25:56.000 Justin Trudeau has called the truckers conspiracy theory, believing, tinfoil hat wearing, Nazi, misogynist, racist.

00:26:07.000 Like that's what they got together for, to do some tinfoil hat wearing and some racism and some misogyny.

00:26:12.000 Not what they said, that they were protesting against vaccine mandates and restrictions against their rights as workers.

00:26:18.000 No, they They got together to do some misogyny.

00:26:21.000 Also, and this is amazing, remember at the time they were accused of being violent?

00:26:24.000 Well, there was no evidence that they ever were violent.

00:26:26.000 So, do you know what you do to solve that problem?

00:26:28.000 Just change what the word violent means.

00:26:30.000 That's no problem.

00:26:30.000 You were violent against what?

00:26:32.000 Was it people's hearts, people's minds, people's feelings?

00:26:35.000 No, against money.

00:26:37.000 You were violent against the globalist state's ultimate goal, to accumulate wealth.

00:26:42.000 Once they start changing the meaning of words, we are in serious trouble.

00:26:45.000 That's beyond Orwellian.

00:26:47.000 Let's get into this story.

00:26:48.000 During a recent interview with CTV News, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau doubled down on his remarks regarding the trucker protest of 2022, referring to some of the activists as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists who engage in disinformation and misinformation.

00:27:02.000 You did a bit of disinformation, but then worse than that, you did some misinformation and you did that while wearing a tinfoil hat.

00:27:08.000 Well, at least I wasn't wearing blackface.

00:27:10.000 When someone believes that your government is trying to inject a vaccine into you to control your mind and track you, and there's a microchip in it, that's almost the definition of a government conspiracy theory.

00:27:19.000 I would say when governments are closing down bank accounts of people that are donating to a protest, that is a conspiracy theory.

00:27:26.000 When a government is evoking emergency powers to shut down a legitimate protest, that is tyranny.

00:27:32.000 When a government is accusing its own population of being misogynist and racist simply to shut down dissent, that is tyranny.

00:27:39.000 Now I don't think there are many people that are saying that the vaccine is put in microchips, and one of the things that the mainstream does is elevates fringe ideas to dismiss legitimate dissent.

00:27:49.000 And if there is dissent, if there is opposition to their corporate globalist goals, they simply Amplify certain voices within it.

00:27:56.000 If you get a protest of 100,000 people, like if you get a sporting event with 60-80,000 people at it, you're going to get people that get drunk, people that shout crazy stuff.

00:28:04.000 As long as you can continually condemn and criticise individuals within an ordinary population, you don't have to address the real issues.

00:28:11.000 And this is what I would say the real issues are.

00:28:13.000 National governments have been co-opted by globalist interests.

00:28:16.000 We have increasing surveillance, a march towards centralising currencies, a march towards preventing individual freedom, controlling your ability to have meaningful democratic traction in your community.

00:28:28.000 These are real problems that go beyond left-right type arguments.

00:28:31.000 Remember, here on this channel, what we believe the problem is, is that we're being turned against one another by centralising, globalising interests, and Justin Trudeau, I believe, used the mask of wokeness to distract you from the fact that he's operating on behalf of globalist interests.

00:28:48.000 However, this statement by the Prime Minister differs from his remarks during the onset of the protest when he referred to the demonstration in its entirety as a fringe minority.

00:28:56.000 So first of all, you say it's a small number of people, but if it's only a small number of people, how can you invoke emergency actions?

00:29:02.000 Both those two things can't be true.

00:29:02.000 You don't need to.

00:29:04.000 It can't be a small fringe and a necessity to invoke emergency actions.

00:29:07.000 So you have to say, God, there's only a small number of them, but by God, are they racist.

00:29:11.000 I think in all my communications, in the frustration that Canadians were feeling, not just around that, but around the pandemic in general, there was a sense that Canadians really stepped up for each other.

00:29:24.000 People went out and got vaccinated to a higher degree than just about any other country.

00:29:28.000 Also, you might argue that Canadians coming together to protest mandates is an example of Canadians sticking together.

00:29:35.000 Unless what you're saying democracy is, is everyone believing the same thing and the impossibility of a public discourse and conversation.

00:29:42.000 Unless that's what democracy means now, is that everyone has to believe one thing.

00:29:46.000 And to argue with that is undemocratic.

00:29:49.000 The fact that there were some people out there who were actively spreading Harmful disinformation and misinformation.

00:29:59.000 It's very interesting to conflate the idea of spreading the information with spreading the infection.

00:30:05.000 It's a very curious linguistic trick that's being practiced there, that you're spreading disease, that there's something malign and malevolent about it.

00:30:13.000 The fact is, if you're going to have a nation state where you're going to say there's a centralised government authority that represents 50 million people or 100 million or 200 million people, then you're going to have to have diversity of opinion.

00:30:25.000 If diversity is a good thing, and I believe that it is actually, then that means different communities are going to have different beliefs.

00:30:30.000 Some people are going to be traditional, some people are going to be progressive, some people are going to be religious, some people are going to be materialistic.

00:30:35.000 We can't have one uniform expression of what it is to be Canadian.

00:30:39.000 And if you shut that down altogether, then you don't have democracy anymore.

00:30:44.000 So you have to, of course, smear and malign any dissenting voices to say that these particular voices have no right.

00:30:50.000 Because if indeed people are deeply racist or deeply misogynistic, then those voices shouldn't be amplified.

00:30:56.000 I don't believe in racism or misogyny, but I also don't think that those truckers were misogynistic or racist.

00:31:01.000 I think what they were protesting was the thing that they were saying that they were protesting.

00:31:06.000 Like, this is real.

00:31:07.000 There were real tragedies, and there were people trying to gin that up and to expand the divisions and the fear.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, you!

00:31:15.000 And sense of conspiracy that were out there.

00:31:19.000 We had, as a government, always and will always be extremely patient with people who are hesitant about getting a vaccine or whatever.

00:31:28.000 Oh, thanks.

00:31:29.000 Thanks for allowing me to hesitate.

00:31:31.000 That's so kind of you.

00:31:32.000 What kind of relationship is he demonstrating that he believes the government has with a population?

00:31:37.000 I believe the government is a service position.

00:31:40.000 They work for you.

00:31:41.000 Here's some money, do some stuff.

00:31:43.000 Not, thank you!

00:31:44.000 Like, what is it?

00:31:45.000 It's already implicit in the tone, timbre and content of what he's saying, what he believes the relationship between the government and people to be.

00:31:51.000 We've been so patient with people that are hesitant.

00:31:53.000 We're not children in a school.

00:31:55.000 We're an adult population with free will in a democracy.

00:31:59.000 There needs to be an adjustment of the entire perspective of what these relationships are.

00:32:04.000 Also, they weren't that patient, were they?

00:32:05.000 Because they were mandating vaccines for certain workers.

00:32:08.000 We've been so patient with you.

00:32:10.000 Now, if you want to keep your job, take this fucking medicine.

00:32:12.000 And the information around that is continually evolving.

00:32:16.000 The way that this narrative is developing is not, See?

00:32:18.000 We were right.

00:32:19.000 See?

00:32:20.000 Pfizer made all that money.

00:32:21.000 See?

00:32:22.000 There's been no adverse events.

00:32:23.000 See?

00:32:24.000 It's really, really worked.

00:32:25.000 This is not the I-told-you-so moment for draconian authoritarianism under the veil of liberalism.

00:32:32.000 But those people who were actively putting people's lives in danger by spreading falsehoods... Or pepper-spraying protesters?

00:32:42.000 Or saying that there were Nazis at a protest?

00:32:44.000 Or freezing the bank accounts of people in a democracy that wanted to fund a protest?

00:32:49.000 What about those people?

00:32:54.000 You can't call it just science when it is corporatized and commercialized to the degree that it has been.

00:33:01.000 Until you have a model where pharmaceutical companies are meaningfully regulated by an independent body and where their profits are at least not so outrageous, You can't pretend that that's science and not a subset of a commercial hierarchy.

00:33:14.000 And save our economy and save lives.

00:33:17.000 Save our economy?

00:33:18.000 Now, I think the economy is a reflection of trade and commerce and financial responsibility and financial health of a population, sure.

00:33:26.000 But when the economy becomes the protection of central interests, then you have a problem.

00:33:32.000 Then you start to see what's really happening here.

00:33:34.000 In a way, there is a deep revelation in changing what is meant by the word violence.

00:33:38.000 You are violent against the economy.

00:33:40.000 Who do you mean by the economy?

00:33:42.000 Do you mean my economy?

00:33:44.000 Do you mean ordinary people's economy?

00:33:45.000 Or do you mean the economy of certain centralised global corporate interests?

00:33:50.000 Now, in trying to justify the government's behaviour, senior Canadian officials appear to be trying to redefine the meaning of physical violence to make sure their actions fit within that definition.

00:33:59.000 The most controversial ones undertaken to stifle the protest, such as deploying riot police and freezing participants' bank accounts, were done by evoking the Emergencies Act, in itself a move controversial enough to warrant a Commission inquiry.

00:34:11.000 The Public Order Emergency Commission has issued a summary of a panel interview of four senior officials from the Prime Minister's office, while the Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, and several others were interviewed by the Commission separately.

00:34:23.000 The summary shows that the panel identified areas that they hoped the Commission could comment on.

00:34:27.000 One of them being threats to the economic security of Canada, which carry with them a threat of tangible physical harm and violence.

00:34:34.000 One of the PMO officials, the Prime Minister's Senior Advisor on Strategist and Policy Issues, Jeremy Broadhurst, is cited as saying that economic disruptions can cause real direct and personal harms in people's lives.

00:34:46.000 This is spin-doctoring.

00:34:47.000 This is saying, well, in a way it's violence, because if this were to happen and then that were to happen, That's not what we mean when we say violence.

00:34:54.000 There was a really violent protest, was there?

00:34:56.000 God, where are the casualties?

00:34:57.000 Well, Goldman Sachs lost a fortune.

00:34:59.000 That's not what people mean by violence.

00:35:00.000 By violence you mean they were throwing stuff and smashing things up and that they were rioting.

00:35:05.000 The reorganisation of language in order to create the conditions to use more power is tyrannical trickery.

00:35:13.000 The truckers whose work and livelihoods were first disrupted by covid vaccine mandates and other restrictions and then by the government seizing their bank accounts would no doubt agree but they had no government to protect them in this matter.

00:35:25.000 So in a sense, the policies of mandating vaccines were considered an infringement on the human

00:35:30.000 rights of those truckers by those truckers.

00:35:33.000 But no one wanted to have that conversation.

00:35:35.000 And when we've spoken to representatives of that protest on this channel, what they pointed

00:35:39.000 out is no one came to talk to him.

00:35:40.000 No one wanted to have a conversation because it was important to convey a unipolar perspective

00:35:44.000 and not to allow any conversation or dissent.

00:35:47.000 Whether you agree with the truckers or you don't agree with the truckers, the word democracy

00:35:50.000 is supposed to mean an open discourse where you have representatives of the views of the

00:35:54.000 public in congressional or parliamentary spaces so that the will of the powerful is

00:35:58.000 not just arbitrarily inflicted on ordinary people without opposition.

00:36:02.000 Instead, the government appears to have focused on protecting itself from political dissent back in February and continues to do so today, as Broadhurst suggested that a threat to jobs, free movement of goods caused by protest, is a threat impossible to separate from the threat of violence, including physical violence.

00:36:17.000 It's not impossible to separate it.

00:36:18.000 Just go, that's physical violence and that's a potential economic disruption.

00:36:23.000 By this mentality, people will be prevented from protesting or striking.

00:36:27.000 What do you think had a bigger impact on the overall population?

00:36:31.000 Pfizer having their record year of profits, or some truckers bibbing their own in Ottawa.

00:36:36.000 What had the bigger impact? What could be more easily classified as violence?

00:36:40.000 Do you think that there are other types of violence that could have been practiced?

00:36:43.000 Who is benefiting from the reordering of words?

00:36:46.000 From what is presented as disinformation, misinformation, and what is presented as violence?

00:36:50.000 The question of what passes off as violence these days in Canada is important because

00:36:54.000 in order to justify using martial law like the Emergencies Act, the government must meet

00:36:58.000 the requirement of facing an unmanageable threat to Canada as defined by the country's

00:37:02.000 Security Intelligence Services Act, Section 2. The Emergencies Act relies on the CSIS Act definition.

00:37:08.000 In a previous exchange between a Freedom Convoy lawyer and the Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner, however, the former stated, to your knowledge, there was no credible threat to the security of Canada as defined under Section 2 of the CSIS Act.

00:37:20.000 To which the Commissioner replied, that would be my understanding, yes.

00:37:23.000 So, legally, there was no threat of violence, unless you change the meaning of the word violence.

00:37:27.000 In November, True North reported public safety Canada officials admitted in internal updates that the Freedom Convoy protests were peaceful and that no violence was taking place despite claims by Minister Marco Mendicino.

00:37:39.000 The Freedom Convoy so far has been peaceful and cooperative with police, an internal memo stated on January 27th.

00:37:45.000 Up until February 11th, officials monitoring the situation stated there were no major incidents, that no violence took place, that disruption to government activities was minor, that there were minimal people on Parliament Hill, and the situation remained stable and planning was ongoing.

00:37:57.000 In contrast, Liberal cabinet members including Mendocino and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau So now we know that when people say conspiracy theorists what they actually mean is dissenter and that your opinions and your views are not valuable and if there's a requirement to introduce more state power in support of corporate interests they'll find a way of doing it.

00:38:11.000 calling them extremists who don't believe in science.

00:38:15.000 So now we know that when people say conspiracy theorists what they actually mean is dissenter

00:38:19.000 and that your opinions and your views are not valuable.

00:38:23.000 And if there's a requirement to introduce more state power in support of corporate interests,

00:38:28.000 they'll find a way of doing it.

00:38:29.000 They will conflate violence towards an economy, which is very difficult to diagnose with so

00:38:34.000 many contributory factors.

00:38:36.000 They will claim that a protest has been violent to an economy in order to judge it as violent

00:38:41.000 and therefore shut it down.

00:38:42.000 It seems that language and the meaning of language is being altered and changed to accumulate more power, to centralise authority and to justify more and more draconian measures.

00:38:52.000 In short, if you want No.

00:38:53.000 Here's the fucking news!

00:38:54.000 where individuals are monitored, where bank accounts can be frozen, where

00:38:57.000 ordinary people don't have the right to come together and protest, you simply

00:39:01.000 have to alter the tunes and meaning of language until there's nowhere else for

00:39:06.000 people to go. And I believe that that's what this story demonstrates. But that's

00:39:09.000 just what I think. Let me know what you think in the comments, let me know what you think in the chat.

00:39:12.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News.

00:39:14.000 Here's the news.

00:39:16.000 Here's the fucking news.

00:39:18.000 I've broke this. Look at that.

00:39:20.000 Look at that.

00:39:20.000 I've only had it five minutes.

00:39:21.000 Broke it already.

00:39:23.000 That's my favourite bit of the studio, that.

00:39:25.000 This guy.

00:39:26.000 This was what I was relying on, gal, to get me through my interview.

00:39:29.000 You've broken the studio already.

00:39:30.000 We want to just have it done.

00:39:31.000 Just have this done.

00:39:32.000 It's fallen apart in my hands.

00:39:32.000 Look at it.

00:39:34.000 This... If Branko Marchetic finds out that the kind of level of idiocy... Let's hope Branko doesn't do that in the Jacobin offices.

00:39:43.000 Branko is a professional.

00:39:45.000 Who can be relied on.

00:39:47.000 And Branko is joining us now from Jacobin magazine, a regular contributor to that magazine covering like war and nuclear tension and censorship.

00:39:55.000 And I now see has a damn fine head of hair.

00:39:58.000 Branko, thank you for joining us.

00:40:01.000 What is that, by the way, that you brought?

00:40:04.000 What it is, Branko, is part of the arm of this rather expensive microphone, which was made by Lockheed Martin, who they actually sponsor the show.

00:40:04.000 I'm curious.

00:40:13.000 They're a lovely little firm, Lockheed Martin.

00:40:15.000 They make microphone stands and some very nice missiles, which are available now, especially for your humanitarian conflict.

00:40:23.000 For a price that's right.

00:40:24.000 We don't give these things away at Lockheed Martin.

00:40:27.000 It's a business.

00:40:27.000 We're in it.

00:40:29.000 It's a business that they're involved in.

00:40:32.000 Branko, I've not brought you on here just to be silly.

00:40:35.000 I've also want to ask you a very important question, and this is that question.

00:40:39.000 Why is it that there are no over-attempts to hold peace talks between Ukraine and Russia.

00:40:49.000 Why is that not an absolute priority?

00:40:52.000 Why are we hearing nothing about diplomacy?

00:40:54.000 Why are we only continually having highlighted how egregious Russian actions are and were and how awful and physically ill Vladimir Putin is?

00:41:06.000 That's a very complicated question.

00:41:08.000 And I'm going to have to give you a very complicated answer.

00:41:10.000 So, I mean, I think the Biden administration is divided on this question.

00:41:15.000 You've got someone like Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

00:41:19.000 He said, you know, a few months ago, basically, Ukraine has finally reached this position of strength from which it can negotiate.

00:41:26.000 But there is, he got a lot of pushback, as did, you know, the dozens of progressives that put forward a letter that said, basically, you know, it's time for for the Biden administration to kind of push for diplomacy

00:41:38.000 a little more. And I think part of it is one, it's that some segment of the Biden administration

00:41:44.000 views this war as a way to weaken Russia, and not just the Biden administration, but

00:41:50.000 the entire Washington establishment. And that's not me making stuff up or putting words in the

00:41:55.000 people's mouths. I mean, people like Leon Panetta, for instance, former CIA director, he's called it

00:42:01.000 a proxy war.

00:42:02.000 Adam Schiff, one of the most hawkish Democrats in Congress, he's talked about, you know, before this war, using Ukrainians, you know, they're fighting the Russians so that we don't have to fight them.

00:42:14.000 There was actually just an op-ed recently in the Washington Post by Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates, you know, former national security figures in the Bush and Obama administrations, basically saying, well, you know, the good thing is we have this willing partner in Ukraine that is willing to bear the consequences of war so that, you know, we don't have to fight this battle later on.

00:42:38.000 And I'll also point to the comments by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who Uh, way back, uh, you know, many, many months ago said, um, you know, the goal here is to weaken Russia so they can't do these kinds of things.

00:42:50.000 So I think there's a segment of the Washington establishment that, that, you know, uh, this, this gets called Russian propaganda and all this kind of stuff.

00:42:59.000 But again, I'm telling you things that are coming straight from the mouths of us administration officials themselves, uh, that, that views this as an opportunity to kind of weaken Russia.

00:43:08.000 I think the other part of it is I think there's been this kind of, it's the result I think of 2016, and you know, Putin bears responsibility for this because he did that completely pointless hack, which ultimately just inflamed public opinion in the United States.

00:43:25.000 But because of that, it has, you know, it's been very difficult to talk about a sane and rational policy towards Russia and the United States and other Western countries.

00:43:36.000 I think in large part because of that.

00:43:39.000 The climate that has erupted since this invasion, you know, of course, the invasion is terrible and criminal.

00:43:45.000 And, you know, the longer it goes on, it just gets worse and worse.

00:43:49.000 But it's been a sort of almost September 11 like political climate that has come up.

00:43:56.000 And when you get into these kind of jingoistic environments, it's very difficult to talk about anything

00:44:02.000 other than military solutions.

00:44:05.000 And that's when the appeasement talk starts coming out.

00:44:08.000 That's when the World War II comparisons start coming out.

00:44:10.000 So I think at the moment, a lot of anti-war voices, or even just pro-diplomacy voices, are kind of cowed.

00:44:18.000 They don't feel like they can get an airing.

00:44:20.000 And again, when people have come out and tried to say, hey, you know what, maybe it's time for all this killing

00:44:27.000 to end, and let's try and actually find some way to stop this without this just dragging on over and over

00:44:32.000 for months and years ahead, people get viciously attacked.

00:44:36.000 And then other people see that, and they go, well, I'm not going to put my neck out then.

00:44:40.000 I don't want to get attacked as well.

00:44:42.000 So I think it's multiple things going on, all of it leading to a very bad place in my opinion.

00:44:49.000 Yes, it seems, Branko, that what you're saying ultimately is there is no negotiation for peace because US interests ultimately do not want peace.

00:44:59.000 That is not the desired outcome, whether it's for economic reasons, for strategic geopolitical reasons, that is not the desired outcome.

00:45:07.000 And yet Kevin McCarthy's recent assent to Speaker in the House

00:45:12.000 was somewhat predicated on a deal to diminish Pentagon budgets by $75 billion

00:45:17.000 at the insistence of what would formerly have been regarded as the harder right edge

00:45:24.000 of the Republican Party, Trump supporters et al.

00:45:27.000 So what does that mean, Branko, when the only anti-war voices

00:45:33.000 are coming from that political destination?

00:45:36.000 And is that a kind of benevolence or financial prudence?

00:45:41.000 What is the motivation?

00:45:43.000 What is the connection between what would have once been regarded as the right of the Republican Party

00:45:48.000 and a kind of desire for peace, which typically when I was a

00:45:50.000 kid would have been the position of Pinco, Lefties.

00:45:55.000 I mean, it's a real shame.

00:45:56.000 I mean, I'm on the left, you know, Jacobin is a socialist publication, traditionally, you know, wanting to cut the military budget and kind of wanting to look for diplomatic solutions, instead of waging in this war, as you say, that was a traditionally left wing position.

00:46:10.000 And to be clear, many voices on the left voice that position.

00:46:13.000 But I think unfortunately, when it comes to Congress, Because of the climate that has come up, particularly on the liberal side, I mean, it's mostly liberals, again, because of 2016, that came to view Russia as this kind of existential evil.

00:46:31.000 And so, you know, even these left-wing congresspeople, because they have to work within You know, liberal public opinion.

00:46:40.000 They're kind of accountable to liberal institutions.

00:46:42.000 I think they don't want to be seen as, or they don't want to be attacked by these, you know, outlets or think tanks or, you know, commentators.

00:46:50.000 That's basically what happened with the withdrawal of that letter, the pro-diplomacy letter back in November.

00:46:56.000 You know, it was this army of kind of liberal commentators saying, you know, what are these people doing?

00:46:59.000 How dare they?

00:47:00.000 This is appeasement.

00:47:01.000 They're going to undermine the Biden administration strategy.

00:47:03.000 And they all got scared and said, actually, we didn't mean it.

00:47:05.000 Sorry, we're backing away.

00:47:08.000 But, you know, I mean, I talked about this, you know, even before the start of the war.

00:47:13.000 I, you know, I noted that that you had people like Tucker Carlson making, you know, I think Tucker Carlson is abhorrent in so many different things that he believes.

00:47:22.000 But, you know, he happened to have this one sane position on the war.

00:47:27.000 And there were a few other right wing voices that had similar positions.

00:47:30.000 And I said, you know, you can't It's not a good thing.

00:47:33.000 It's not a good thing for the left to cede that ground to the right, you know, for them to be the only anti-war voices, because then, you know, they may start getting purchase from viewers who go, well, you know what?

00:47:47.000 They're making a lot of sense here.

00:47:48.000 Maybe they're right about some of these other things as well.

00:47:51.000 So I think it's a really Disappointing thing is the only way I can put it.

00:47:57.000 And I think the other disappointing thing about it is that, you know, I mean, because of the political polarization in the US, you have on the democratic side and the liberal side, you have this kind of gung-ho, you know, let's have this civilizational war against Russia attitude.

00:48:12.000 And then the right says, no, we don't want that.

00:48:14.000 But then what does the right want to do?

00:48:16.000 They want to have the same civilizational fight and, you know, go to nuclear brinkmanship, but against a different country, China.

00:48:24.000 So, you know, I think what would be good is if there were voices that were consistently against, you know, military escalation and war against, you know, both of these kind of American adversaries, rather than having this kind of bifurcated situation that we have now.

00:48:42.000 Seems that there's the same appetite for a unipolar world ultimately behind both wings of the American administration.

00:48:51.000 And when it comes to war reporting, if it was more... I sometimes wonder, Branko, if they were even more overt about the nature of their agenda, i.e.

00:49:01.000 like, you know, we consider Russia to be an existential global threat, we have to have this proxy war.

00:49:06.000 I don't know, even though that would be less than ideal, at least it wouldn't be hiding behind the kind

00:49:12.000 of humanitarianism and peculiar and novel jingoism that's emerging.

00:49:18.000 And when it's contrasted with a subject about which I know you know a great deal, the US stroke Saudi involvement

00:49:26.000 in the conflict in Yemen, just hear us a few facts, which I'm sure you're more than familiar with.

00:49:34.000 The war in Yemen has killed an estimated 377,000 people through direct and indirect causes and 33,000 people have died is an estimate in Ukraine as a result of this war and of course all of those deaths are unimaginable tragedies to the people involved.

00:49:53.000 So why is there such a diversity in the nature of reporting on these two conflicts?

00:50:03.000 How do the interests differ and how do the conflicts significantly differ in terms of the way the media report on them, Branko, primarily?

00:50:12.000 I mean, it's not a groundbreaking point to make that, well, in any country, but especially in the United States, you know, the media tends to kind of take its cues from whatever administration is in power.

00:50:26.000 I mean, you know, the establishment media, you know, people call it that not as a sort of pejorative, but because there's a very real link.

00:50:32.000 I mean, a lot of these people, because of access, they have to sort of rely on and to some extent, you know, Right the stories that people in power want them to it's part of the whole Transactional nature of reporting and so what you end up getting is the people that report on all this stuff You know very much.

00:50:50.000 I think start adopting the worldview of the people in power and actually in some ways I mean And I think again 2016 had a lot to do with this I mean journalists the media has shockingly been kind of some of the most aggressive and gung-ho From the start of this war you know I mean They were reporters at the White House press corps who were pushing Biden to go into a no-fly zone at the start of the war.

00:51:16.000 There were a few videos of this of just reporters saying, well, why aren't you sending more military?

00:51:20.000 Why aren't you doing that?

00:51:20.000 Why aren't you doing this?

00:51:21.000 So incredibly, it's actually, to some extent, Biden and some of the people around him who taken on this kind of a more restrained approach in the

00:51:33.000 face of of media pressure.

00:51:35.000 And so I think it's one of these like feedback loops.

00:51:38.000 You know, I think I think on the one hand, it's because U.S.

00:51:42.000 government interests tend to kind of dictate what gets media coverage, which wars get covered,

00:51:48.000 get attention, what the particular framing of that coverage is.

00:51:53.000 But then also that kind of climate can take on a life of its own.

00:51:57.000 And then it sort of ends up pushing the administration to maybe take more hawkish stances than it

00:52:03.000 would have otherwise.

00:52:04.000 And I mean, you can see the same thing in Russia.

00:52:06.000 I think, you know, Putin clearly played on nationalism to sort of get his domestic base on board with the war.

00:52:20.000 And then that nationalism sort of takes on a life of its own and has gone kind of beyond Putin.

00:52:24.000 You got commentators in Russia calling for the use of tactical nukes and the like and saying, you know,

00:52:29.000 why don't we just bomb the hell out of Ukraine? And, you know, Putin has kind of gone, well,

00:52:33.000 actually, you know what, maybe we won't use nukes. But, you know, he still is having to be responsive

00:52:38.000 to that public opinion. So often in times of war, I think, you know, these climates that sort

00:52:44.000 of get purposefully inflamed to some extent by people in power, because it seems to serve their

00:52:50.000 uses temporarily at one point, they end up, you know, just becoming monsters of their own.

00:52:55.000 And then you end up kind of having to somehow reign them in or tame them or kind of, you know,

00:53:00.000 tiptoe around them.

00:53:02.000 It makes me feel that the media has been co-opted now to a degree that is untenable and that we

00:53:09.000 might be in a a media environment where independent voices will be continually marginalized, maligned and ignored, and certainly won't be allowed to be proliferated to a degree where the counter narratives will be relevant.

00:53:26.000 Do you find it difficult to undertake the type of reporting that you do?

00:53:31.000 I know you met with quite a lot of condemnation and criticism, for example, for the way that you've reported on this conflict.

00:53:38.000 Oh yeah, I mean, you get all sorts of crazy people saying all sorts of things about you, but you can't really care that much about that because your job as a journalist is not to be popular or to be well-liked.

00:53:50.000 It's to try and shed light on things that aren't being talked about.

00:53:54.000 It's to cover stories that would otherwise go amiss.

00:53:59.000 It's to challenge conventional narratives if they happen to be flawed in some way.

00:54:04.000 It's to tell the truth.

00:54:05.000 A lot of the times when I'm writing stuff, I'm just reporting accurately what the facts are.

00:54:14.000 I think there's a kind of demand almost from people that journalists like myself and other people who are more critical of some of the stuff to basically lie and to pretend that we don't know things that we know.

00:54:27.000 I'm supposed to pretend that, for example, the Azov battalion really has reformed.

00:54:31.000 is no longer a neo-Nazi regiment, or that the Ukrainian far right wasn't a problem.

00:54:37.000 And so I'm supposed to pretend that NATO expansion had no role in this war whatsoever, even though

00:54:43.000 there's copious evidence, and that anyone who knows anything about the subject has been

00:54:49.000 reading for decades and hearing from decades from a variety of experts.

00:54:53.000 So it's kind of a ridiculous situation.

00:54:55.000 But again, it's the same with your show.

00:54:58.000 You're going to say the stuff that you believe and the stuff that you know is true, or at

00:55:04.000 least give your perspective.

00:55:06.000 And you can't cater your coverage or what you believe to what the overriding climate

00:55:17.000 I mean, I think actually when it comes to something this important and when things are kind of this crazy, I think it's actually very important to be a voice that's kind of challenging and saying, hey, well, hold on, let's hold up a little bit and let's maybe think about this.

00:55:29.000 Does this make sense?

00:55:30.000 Is this smart?

00:55:31.000 Are there risks involved here?

00:55:33.000 I mean, we're talking about potentially a nuclear war.

00:55:36.000 I feel like that's a pretty Pretty important subject.

00:55:38.000 I don't know, maybe you disagree, but that's my opinion.

00:55:41.000 It's one of the most important subjects is nuclear wars because of the potential annihilation of the Earth and also our species.

00:55:53.000 There is a clear amnesia.

00:55:54.000 We looked a little while at an article from the Guardian in 2014 where it talked about the escalation escalation in Ukraine and of course it was prior to the

00:56:03.000 Trump administration and it was entirely and the events in 2016 that you keep returning to

00:56:08.000 Branko and it was obviously an entirely different and I would say a more unbiased take

00:56:13.000 available in a legacy media outlet where they said we've got to stop provoking Putin

00:56:17.000 through the actions of NATO and it talked about the complexity of Ukrainian politics and the sort of

00:56:23.000 the far right element and then just, you would not get something like that in the

00:56:27.000 Guardian now.

00:56:29.000 There's a kind of a degree of self-censorship that seems to be taking place.

00:56:34.000 That's partly what frightens me, as a matter of fact.

00:56:38.000 What we're trying to do, obviously in a more conversational and sometimes more populist way, is to look for alignment between figures on the Right and left and increasingly the meaninglessness of those categories when it comes to creating significant shift or at least a conversation around a significant shift in the way that in particular American politics and their globalist interests are organized.

00:57:04.000 It seems that via the culture war and the kind of censorship and type of reporting that you're talking about, it's becoming increasingly difficult to find ways to bring people together to find some optimism That's really become our focus, although sometimes I feel a little delirious in the face of that task.

00:57:28.000 I think it's really important to know that when I talk about US interests, I'm talking about The elite of the country and what they see as American interests.

00:57:38.000 And I actually don't think there really is a U.S.

00:57:40.000 interest in trying to, you know, make this war, to sort of Afghanistan for Russia and to, you know, even collapse the Russian state.

00:57:49.000 I think that's incredibly dangerous, actually, for ordinary Americans.

00:57:53.000 But it's important to know that there's a distinction between, you know, the elite and what they see as the interests of the country and the actual people themselves.

00:58:01.000 And I think it is important That a lot of surveys show, actually, you know, I mean, obviously, there's going to be disagreements on a variety of policy issues between Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, so on and so forth.

00:58:12.000 But actually, Americans in the whole approve of a more restrained foreign policy.

00:58:18.000 They don't actually support these, you know, these wild adventures that American politicians have taken the country on over the decades.

00:58:27.000 And this particular war, surveys have also shown that there is bipartisan, cross ideological consensus around needing to negotiate, needing to find a diplomatic solution to, if not come to some sort of Permanent peace settlement at least stop the fighting and have some sort of stability.

00:58:50.000 I'm not sure totally what the surveys say about policy towards China, but I would love if there was some more crossover of that.

00:58:59.000 I would love if there were And there are some figures on the right who are saying this, but I wish there were more right-wing or conservative voices who were telling the audiences, by the way, hey, if you think what's happening with Russia and Ukraine, if you think that's dangerous, if you think that's bad for the people of Ukraine, if you think it's all these things, well, it's very much a similar case with Taiwan and China.

00:59:19.000 We should take a similarly pro-diplomatic, restrained, less militaristic approach to

00:59:25.000 that particular crisis as well, because that could also erupt into all manner of chaos.

00:59:31.000 It's such an important revelation and point, Branko, that when we're talking about the

00:59:37.000 US, we're not talking about US influence.

00:59:39.000 interests.

00:59:40.000 We're demonstrating that the interests of the elites that ultimately dominate American foreign policy are entirely at odds with ordinary American people, and that most American people would like diplomatic solutions to the current conflict, and as you say, likely to any potential forthcoming conflict between the U.S.

00:59:58.000 and China.

01:00:00.000 Thank you so much for joining us today.

01:00:03.000 You can find Branko in his work at Jacobin Magazine.

01:00:05.000 Well, don't worry, you can find literally Branko.

01:00:07.000 You can't go there and stalk or hunt Branko.

01:00:09.000 Let Branko be free!

01:00:11.000 And as you've just heard, Branko is incredibly lucid, illuminating and valuable with regard to these topics.

01:00:20.000 Thanks, Branko.

01:00:20.000 Thanks for joining us.

01:00:21.000 I hope we'll speak again, mate.

01:00:23.000 That'd be great, thank you, very kind.

01:00:25.000 Nice chatting to you.

01:00:27.000 Hey, Gareth, I want to tell you that we've got an incredible week coming up.

01:00:31.000 Oh yeah?

01:00:31.000 We're going swimming.

01:00:33.000 Just you and I. But also on the show, Michael Schellenberger is going to be talking about their latest Twitter Files revelations.

01:00:33.000 Oh!

01:00:40.000 I want to know about the Fauci revelations.

01:00:43.000 On its way apparently, Fauci Files.

01:00:44.000 Give us them Fauci Files.

01:00:46.000 He's not coming to swim with us, is he?

01:00:48.000 He can't, I'm afraid, because he says it's very dangerous and you've got to wear a lot of swimming masks.

01:00:51.000 You need three snorkels to safely swim.

01:00:54.000 You've got a snorkel, you put one in your mouth and you've got to have at least one snorkel in.

01:00:54.000 Boost a snorkel?

01:00:58.000 Where's that going?

01:00:59.000 That has to go in the anus, Gareth.

01:01:00.000 I thought it might.

01:01:02.000 You were doing that before Fauci!

01:01:07.000 Fauci says that!

01:01:08.000 What, the guy that was talking about the AIDS medication in the 1980s?

01:01:12.000 I was snorkelling myself like it was 1990.

01:01:16.000 Bloody nine!

01:01:17.000 We've got Schellenberger on the show.

01:01:19.000 He's going to be talking about the Twitter files, Gareth.

01:01:21.000 That's what he's going to be talking about.

01:01:23.000 The Fauci files.

01:01:24.000 We've got Rick Rubin's coming on here.

01:01:26.000 Cool.

01:01:27.000 I love Rick Rubin.

01:01:28.000 I'm going to ask him questions about Johnny Cash.

01:01:28.000 He's going to be coming on.

01:01:31.000 Battle of the Beards.

01:01:32.000 Well, he's won that battle.

01:01:33.000 He's won it.

01:01:33.000 I can't compete.

01:01:34.000 But I'm going to talk about, what am I going to talk about?

01:01:36.000 Hip Hop.

01:01:37.000 I'm going to talk about Hip Hop, Johnny Cash.

01:01:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:39.000 I'm going to talk about that show he did with Paul McCartney.

01:01:41.000 That was really good.

01:01:42.000 Hey, listen, if you're watching this on Locals, which is our Stay Free AF community, We're not doing the additional 15 minutes after the show anymore.

01:01:52.000 Oh no, we're going to do one special, one hour long show just for members of our community each week, as well as so many other opportunities, including a forthcoming stand-up special, which will be available to view on local.

01:02:05.000 So join us, excuse me, on locals now.

01:02:08.000 Why are you laughing at me?

01:02:09.000 It's the old kombucha, isn't it?

01:02:11.000 It's the old sweet lady kombucha.

01:02:13.000 My dark brown buddy down there.

01:02:17.000 Oh no.

01:02:18.000 Gareth, something just happened.

01:02:19.000 I had an upstairs mishap.

01:02:22.000 Do you think anyone's noticed?

01:02:23.000 No, no.

01:02:24.000 Fine, you're fine.

01:02:25.000 Gareth, tell me my part.

01:02:26.000 Does my hair look as nice as Branko's?

01:02:28.000 I would say... Does I need more root lift?

01:02:31.000 I need more root lift!

01:02:32.000 They've got a lot of lift, don't they?

01:02:33.000 Branko's root lift is like a young Hugh Grant!

01:02:35.000 I've never seen root... Oh, thank you.

01:02:37.000 Someone put me up on the monitor.

01:02:38.000 Oh, I see.

01:02:38.000 You've done the old sweep to the side.

01:02:41.000 The Branko sweep, I call it.

01:02:43.000 Oh, Branko, sweep to the side.

01:02:45.000 Oh, Branko, will you give me some pride?

01:02:47.000 Branko, I'd like to feel you inside of me.

01:02:51.000 No?

01:02:51.000 I think you'd like that.

01:02:53.000 Not like that.

01:02:54.000 I think you'd like the song, I mean.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, and also, I mean, inside me in a... Soulful way.

01:02:59.000 Spiritual.

01:03:00.000 Spiritual way, not a bit of Branko.

01:03:02.000 I'm not talking about Fauci snorkels.

01:03:05.000 I'm not talking about you Fauci snorkel me, baby.

01:03:07.000 No.

01:03:08.000 That's not what this show's about, mate.

01:03:10.000 Do you think that this shirt goes alright with the black background?

01:03:14.000 With the blue background, you mean?

01:03:15.000 I didn't mean to say that.

01:03:16.000 I meant to say blue and background, but it came out as blackground.

01:03:19.000 Blackground.

01:03:19.000 Yeah!

01:03:20.000 Yeah, it's just shades, isn't it?

01:03:22.000 It's just shades!

01:03:23.000 Shades of blue.

01:03:24.000 It's just shades of blue, baby.

01:03:25.000 It's my new jazz album, it's called that.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:28.000 Shades of blue by Russ.

01:03:29.000 I need someone who can play the French horn.

01:03:31.000 Do you know anyone?

01:03:32.000 I have no idea.

01:03:33.000 Okay, well if you meet anyone let me know because I find that they are some of the world's sweetest, sweetest people.

01:03:39.000 So Rick Rubin's on the show helping me record Shades of Blue, my new album.

01:03:43.000 It's gonna be very stripped back.

01:03:45.000 Very raw.

01:03:46.000 It's very raw, Cal.

01:03:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:48.000 It's very raw.

01:03:49.000 I don't need all of the... It's not Phil Spector!

01:03:52.000 I don't need trinkets and claptrap.

01:03:54.000 Anyway, if you can watch that live if you want by signing up to locals 10.30 PT, 1.30 ET, 6.30 GMT.

01:04:01.000 Still don't know what any of that means.

01:04:04.000 Next Monday, we've got a great show coming up.

01:04:06.000 It's the WEF Royal Rumble Special.

01:04:08.000 It's Davos.

01:04:09.000 It's a big club and you're not invited.

01:04:10.000 We are streaming live.

01:04:13.000 We're going to bring you some of Klaus Schwab's best bits.

01:04:15.000 You know who's at Davos this year?

01:04:16.000 Who?

01:04:17.000 Me?

01:04:17.000 Zelensky.

01:04:19.000 I think it might be via Zoom.

01:04:21.000 He's pretty busy isn't he?

01:04:23.000 Going underground, he's got to do all that war stuff hasn't he?

01:04:28.000 So he's going to pop in by Zoom.

01:04:31.000 Do you know who I'd like to see in there?

01:04:32.000 Charlotte Church, voice of an angel.

01:04:36.000 Next Monday, WF Royal Rumble special.

01:04:39.000 We're doing an extended live show on that.

01:04:40.000 That's 7 a.m.

01:04:41.000 PT, 10 a.m.

01:04:42.000 ET and 3 p.m.

01:04:44.000 GMT.

01:04:45.000 That's what we're doing.

01:04:46.000 Is there anything else on teleprompter?

01:04:49.000 I've said everything that's on there.

01:04:50.000 Should I just say goodbye?

01:04:51.000 That's the end of it.

01:04:51.000 Is that it?

01:04:52.000 Wrap-up show.

01:04:53.000 No locals.

01:04:54.000 So if you're watching this on locals, We ain't on it.

01:04:57.000 But we will be.

01:04:59.000 You'll be looking at nothing.

01:05:01.000 That's what you'll be watching, an abyss.

01:05:03.000 But we'll be back tomorrow with Schellenberger.

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 Right?

01:05:06.000 Rick Rubin.

01:05:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:05:07.000 He's a big deal, Schellenberger, these days.

01:05:09.000 Tell me why.

01:05:09.000 Well, Twitter files, it's elevated all of them.

01:05:11.000 Look at Tayibi now.

01:05:12.000 What is he?

01:05:13.000 He's a rock star.

01:05:14.000 Well, he used to write for Rolling Stone.

01:05:14.000 Is he?

01:05:15.000 He'll be starring on the cover soon, you'd think.

01:05:18.000 Exactly.

01:05:18.000 Drunk it, if he is.

01:05:19.000 That kind of voice came only sound in the 70s.

01:05:22.000 Steve Wright drooled.

01:05:24.000 Very cool.

01:05:25.000 Show's over now, isn't it, really?

01:05:26.000 I mean, this is just riffing, isn't it?

01:05:28.000 This ain't a show.

01:05:29.000 You can't call it that.

01:05:30.000 I'm just hoping Branko went to get a cup of tea or something.

01:05:33.000 Where's me ad reads?

01:05:35.000 I haven't got any ad reads.

01:05:39.000 Do one for something, if you want.

01:05:42.000 Do you think good enough?

01:05:42.000 This is nice.

01:05:45.000 I think they'll be very happy with that.

01:05:46.000 Encouraging?

01:05:47.000 Yep.

01:05:48.000 This is nice.

01:05:48.000 The money'll flood in.

01:05:49.000 I'm thinking of launching a range of products myself.

01:05:52.000 Eh?

01:05:53.000 What do you mean like?

01:05:54.000 Lift.

01:05:55.000 Hell, root lift.

01:05:56.000 Root lift with Ol' Russ and Branko.

01:05:59.000 Me and Branko, it's black and white, we're on a beach.

01:06:01.000 You know like when you come out to sea and your hair's a bit nicer.

01:06:04.000 We've got salt on us.

01:06:05.000 I don't think he needs any product, Branko.

01:06:07.000 Branko don't need product.

01:06:07.000 Of course he doesn't.

01:06:08.000 Natural, isn't it?

01:06:10.000 Branko, you know when people don't wash their hair?

01:06:12.000 They go, don't wash me, I'll let it.

01:06:14.000 You know when people go, you don't wash your hair, it washes itself?

01:06:16.000 No, it doesn't!

01:06:17.000 It gets oily!

01:06:17.000 It doesn't.

01:06:19.000 That's oils!

01:06:20.000 It washes itself.

01:06:21.000 They think it comes back around and starts again.

01:06:24.000 Like fascism.

01:06:25.000 That's right.

01:06:26.000 And communism.

01:06:26.000 Like if you go... Like flares.

01:06:29.000 Come around again.

01:06:29.000 And fascism, fascism and communism, they meet round the back and do a little handshake.

01:06:33.000 That's it.

01:06:33.000 With the Fauci snorkels.

01:06:35.000 All right, that's enough.

01:06:37.000 We've tried our best.

01:06:38.000 This is all we have.

01:06:39.000 Welcome to 2023.

01:06:41.000 Hopefully not the last year on planet Earth for us as individuals or as a collective, although inevitably people will die.

01:06:49.000 Oh, that's a given.

01:06:50.000 Seems to be the pattern I've been watching over the years of YouGal.

01:06:55.000 One of those years it'll be us.

01:06:57.000 Not together.

01:06:58.000 It'll be a year and that'll be that.

01:06:59.000 Unless of course there's a nuclear attack because we keep provoking Putin, in which case there'll be a huge number of casualties.

01:06:59.000 Not like a pact.

01:07:07.000 Maybe it'll be like a rogue nation that we don't expect.

01:07:10.000 Coming in.

01:07:11.000 Like Peru or something.

01:07:12.000 Coming in, I know, where's Peru?

01:07:13.000 Yo, we're shamans.

01:07:14.000 Bam!

01:07:15.000 Take that.

01:07:16.000 Getting on our nerves.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, it could be them.

01:07:19.000 Like Morocco in the World Cup.

01:07:21.000 Right.

01:07:22.000 Surprise.

01:07:22.000 I know, they're good.

01:07:23.000 They're good, aren't they?

01:07:24.000 Of course they're good.

01:07:25.000 I've been building that nuclear arsenal.

01:07:27.000 ZH.

01:07:28.000 Very good.

01:07:29.000 All right, that's the end of our... This is the end of our show.

01:07:33.000 You can continue watching if you want, but it's going to be a total sequence.

01:07:36.000 Let us know over social media in the comments if you like all the hard work we've done.

01:07:40.000 Sounds a bit better, isn't it?

01:07:41.000 It is better, yeah.

01:07:43.000 Yeah, it's a bit like the set of the Blue Man Group or something now, is it?

01:07:46.000 Do you think it is?

01:07:47.000 Is it a little too blue?

01:07:48.000 Too blue?

01:07:49.000 Maybe.

01:07:49.000 Too blue.

01:07:50.000 That's going to be my second album.

01:07:51.000 Second album.

01:07:52.000 When I'm a bit more moody then.

01:07:54.000 Some say it's lovely, look at that.

01:07:55.000 More moody?

01:07:58.000 Little Renegade, The Blue is Gorgeous, Happy Crappy, Love to All, Blue Man Group, someone sang Purple.

01:08:04.000 That makes sense.

01:08:05.000 All right, time for us to go.

01:08:06.000 Shall I go?

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:08.000 We're going now.

01:08:09.000 Some of us have got children.

01:08:10.000 Goodbye.

01:08:11.000 Bye.

01:08:12.000 Stay free!

01:08:23.000 Switch on.

01:08:24.000 Switch off.

01:08:25.000 Man, you switch it.

01:08:26.000 Switch on.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 09, 2023

Happy New War? Is History Repeating Itself? - #054 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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