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00:01:59.000Commemorative plaque to George Orwell is also the site of a surveillance camera.
00:02:04.000The creator of words like big brother, wrong think, surveillance state, forever war.
00:02:12.000There's almost a surveilling, Residual vapour, his spirit now observed as he spins in his grave.
00:02:19.000We've got loads of globalist stories for you.
00:02:21.000The WHO are pushing for world surveillance powers, wouldn't you know?
00:02:24.000There are other globalist scams, digital wallets, biometrics, stuff like that we'll be discussing.
00:02:29.000We've got a great guest on the show today, Stacey Malkin.
00:02:32.000She's going to talk to us about the exposure of corporate corruption in food and health.
00:02:37.000We've had a few guests around this subject and it's fascinating because fact is, we all need food like the same way that 10% of the United States gets its water from a little river running through Ohio.
00:02:50.000Hopefully nothing toxic's been spilled there lately.
00:02:52.000If you're joining us on YouTube now, you're going to want to click over onto Rumble because we're going to be talking about this extraordinary thing.
00:02:59.000I don't know if you've heard about it, There's been this massive spike, and I use the word spike deliberately, to demonstrate that heart attacks in young people has gone up by 30% since the pandemic.
00:03:13.000It's almost like something happened during the pandemic that caused young people to start having heart attacks.
00:03:18.000Obviously we won't be discussing that on YouTube, but we'll be discussing it in a moment.
00:04:09.000America is a nation that can be defined in a single word.
00:04:17.000I think we all enjoy that kind of rhetoric, you know, that in the post-Trump era, populist rhetoric has returned, talking about curbing the amount of time that people are in Congress, making sure that incompetent folk, our legacy and connections can't just rise to the top.
00:04:33.000But here's a list of some of the billionaires that are funding Nikki Haley's campaign.
00:04:46.000Some people look at America and see vulnerability.
00:04:50.000The socialist left sees an opportunity to rewrite history.
00:04:55.000When you call these people like the socialist left I know like in your country you've been really coached to not like socialism and quite rightly after the failure of the Soviet Union Maoism and the concentration of power that traditional conventional socialism awards government which we are totally against we believe in decentralized models and your ability to democratically Well done.
00:05:44.00012 times richer than the typical American.
00:05:47.000So those socialists and, you know, obviously when she's talking about term limits, I can see the benefits of that and that's something I can wholly get behind.
00:05:56.000But when you hear that she's backed by 16 billionaires and she's not mentioning things like, I will end lobbying in politics.
00:06:02.000I will end people owning stocks and shares in the companies that they regulate.
00:06:21.000You need professional people with ties to corporations receiving lobbying money, owning stocks and shares in the corporations that they're supposed to be regulating.
00:06:28.000Without that, everything would fall apart.
00:06:31.000And what you might get are different systems, more just, fair systems.
00:06:34.000Because let's face it, what we are living in now is not democracy.
00:06:38.000We are living in a globalist, corporatist state where many of the laws and regulations that affect your life are determined by bodies that are unelected.
00:06:47.000Gareth, had you even heard of, until very recently, of a thing called, like we've all heard of the IMF, we've all heard of WHO, WEF, but have you heard of the World Government Summit?
00:06:57.000There's a thing now called the World Government In plain sight.
00:07:01.000Just out there the world's going, what are, all these sort of, oh what you think they're trying to achieve a new world order?
00:07:06.000You think there's an aim to have a world government?
00:07:09.000Where do you come up with these crackpot conspiracies?
00:07:13.000Next you'll be saying that they cut money and expenditure on trains and that led to a train crash that's polluting American rivers and killing American fish.
00:07:20.000Well, this crazy talk of there being a world government seems like little more than the rantings of a conspiracy theorist.
00:07:29.000Over now to the World Government Summit with Elon Musk addressing them beautifully.
00:07:36.000I should say, I know this is called the World Government Summit, but I think we should be maybe a little bit concerned about actually becoming too much of a single world government.
00:07:48.000If I may say that we... Who booked this guy?
00:07:51.000It's ruining, this is our first World Government Summit.
00:07:53.000You put someone on who says that world governments are not a good idea.
00:07:56.000Might as well just have the sound of...
00:08:35.000It's not like it's a simple corporate jamboree.
00:08:38.000The WHO now are lobbying for a treaty to be passed that would implement the greater ability for global surveillance biometric data to be captured.
00:08:49.000We'll be talking about this in our presentation a little later.
00:08:53.000They've released an international pandemic treaty which will give them new sweeping surveillance powers.
00:08:57.000The treaty requires the WHO's 194 member states to strengthen the one health surveillance system.
00:09:03.000It's only 98% of all countries in the world though, Ross.
00:09:06.000I think you're getting a little overly worried.
00:09:08.000Oh, it's only 98% and what about that 2%?
00:09:10.000Countries that have not got even proper flags?
00:09:13.000Hopefully those guys are going to rally pretty hard.
00:09:16.000They obviously are using COVID-19 to legitimise the necessity for global surveillance, but many of us believe that the pandemic shows why you need more democracy, why you need more open discourse, why you need more openness, why you need science to be open and empirical rather than ideologically led.
00:09:34.000And I think you'll agree with us that more and more evidence is being revealed and released that suggests that that isn't the template that's being followed.
00:09:43.000Later, of course, we're going to be talking about the rise of 30% in death by heart attack in young people, which we cannot talk about on YouTube because by some weird coincidence, by some weird conspiracy theory, Google are regulated by the WHO nominally and electively.
00:10:00.000They use the WHO's guidelines to regulate their community.
00:10:24.000Her and Albert Baller, CEO of Pfizer, were texting to do massive orders worth billions of euros without it being passed.
00:10:32.000There's a council and a committee that were meant to sanction that.
00:10:34.000When the EU was spending a bunch of money on buying more jabs or whatever, it's meant to be Signed off at the level of government, but they were just sorting that stuff out on text.
00:10:43.000Ursula von der Leyen with her name that could be in an episode of Seinfeld.
00:11:09.000Just to come back to Ursula von der Leyen.
00:11:11.000So there was an investigation by Investigate Europe who found deals for doses happened behind closed doors between the EU and pharmaceutical companies.
00:11:19.000New variants, international competition and darkness around manufacturing costs have allowed Pfizer, BioNTech and Moderna to increase the bill for European taxpayers.
00:11:27.000So this all came about when she was meant to, obviously she's meant to disclose these texts and hasn't done.
00:11:32.000Albert Borla, do you remember when Janine Small from Pfizer revealed something that we can't talk about on YouTube until later, but revealed something fairly important?
00:11:42.000At that same committee, Albert Borla was meant to testify and pulled out of the appointment himself.
00:11:47.000So no one's really saying anything about something which involves 10 billion euros of public money being spent on these vaccines.
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00:12:01.000OK, we're going to have to... Oh God, I feel like something's wrong with me.
00:12:09.000You're going to be blown away by the reporting on this story.
00:12:13.000Young people dying from heart attacks has risen by 30% since the pandemic.
00:12:18.000The mainstream media are reporting on this story, but the way they tiptoe around what What the potential causes for this could be is going to blow your mind.
00:12:26.000We're only going to be able to talk about this on Rumble.
00:13:40.000And do we know why younger people might be more at risk?
00:13:44.000Could the reason be and what could it not be?
00:13:46.000Now this is where you see editorializing happening live.
00:13:49.000I want you to watch this very carefully because it's fascinating because what they're obviously not saying is could this be caused by the vaccine given that there are now Studies that suggest that it causes myocarditis that the injection doesn't stay in the site in the arm but migrates to cardio material.
00:14:09.000This is stuff that people are looking at experimenting with and like the way they grope around for potential causes.
00:14:16.000It's like you know like when you go on a game show or something it's like you can't say the word vaccine.
00:14:42.000That's one of the many things that it could have been.
00:14:44.000Is there anything else that's been happening since the pandemic that could be causing an unprecedented 30% rise in death by heart attacks in young people?
00:14:53.000They're really just saying, did you die from a heart attack or not?
00:15:22.000So on the mainstream media, you're getting a circled expert coming on with conjecture about this and only giving one possible cause for this, one possible reason.
00:15:31.000And exactly what you're saying, the reason, the one thing that they don't want to say is anything to do with vaccines.
00:15:36.000And I suppose when you start to look at some of the things that people had concerns about at the beginning of the pandemic, For example, vaccine manufacturers were granted legal indemnity.
00:15:48.000When Pfizer booted them files 75 years into the future, when it became impossible to talk about, when all of the campaigns to shame unvaccinated people, look.
00:15:58.000This pandemic no longer is intriguing to me in its own merit.
00:16:04.000It intrigues me because it is a window into how power functions.
00:16:08.000And given that what we are seeing now is a trend to further centralise power, beyond the level of national democracy.
00:16:17.000Organizations like the WHO, WEF having the power to suggest, and in the case of the WHO, the power to introduce legislation that will affect you and your whole country that you won't at any point be able to intervene with.
00:16:30.000It's funded by like Bill Gates to an extraordinary degree who has invested.
00:16:34.000I mean all of these things, sometimes when I'm saying them out loud it sounds like a conspiracy theory because so much information has been simultaneously revealed that it's It's difficult not to start feeling almost scared, I think, by the scope and power of what's happening.
00:16:50.000It's not one time, we're not going to show the whole of this interview, the whole of this piece, but there's not one moment in this whole thing where, as was reported in Politico, data has shown an elevated risk of myocarditis and pericarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle and membrane, respectively, after the second mRNA vaccine dose among males aged 12 to 39, which you would think classifies as young people, with those in their late teens and 20s more affected. It's
00:17:15.000not mentioned once, it's literally, they don't mention this once. The idea that
00:17:20.000omission is a form of propaganda and manipulation is one that we have to consider.
00:17:26.000Throughout the pandemic we saw certain stories escalated, elevated, certain ideas, notions, even ideals
00:17:32.000escalated and elevated. When it comes to the theories of the of the virus's origin, certain theories
00:17:38.000and ideas were pushed and some were excluded from discourse, even though we know that privately
00:17:43.000now the experts charged with the pandemic response were...
00:17:46.000Seriously discussing the possibility that for example bioengineering and lab leak were viable theories.
00:17:53.000And what I think we're going to see over the next couple of years is more and more of these ideas becoming verified and validated and seeing yet more ideas migrate from conspiracy theory to cast iron incontrovertible fact.
00:18:07.000At the moment we're in a period of debate and negotiation but all of the voices of people are Robert Malone and Brett Weinstein and Joe Rogan, people that were openly having those conversations that faced extreme censor now seem more legitimate.
00:18:20.000One side effect or one adverse event that's a problem, I believe, and you guys let me know what you think in the chat, is that we start to become more open to radical and ludicrous ideas and I think they like that.
00:18:34.000I think they like it when we start to Discuss openly and passionately ideas that are a little bit kooky.
00:18:44.000We can remain sanguine, deliberate, factual, and present a pretty powerful case that some extraordinary things have taken place.
00:18:53.000We needn't assume malfeasance when ineptitude will do, but it does appear that there is an agenda to, where possible, bypass democratic power.
00:19:02.000We had a guest on the show recently, Martin Goury.
00:19:04.000He said, democracy is the only game in town.
00:19:07.000With all of its flaws, democracy is the best it's going to get when you look at the alternatives.
00:19:15.000You have parties that are so similar to one another, whose ideals and agenda converge so neatly with the interests of transnational entities and corporations, that you are not given any real choice about any real issues.
00:19:31.000So these stories we're talking about now, digital passes, High-ranking officials of corporations and unelected bodies exchanging texts and remaining unaccountable.
00:19:41.000This is the fingerprints on the gun of how power operates.
00:19:46.000At the old world government summit, I weren't invited.
00:20:14.000Our life in 10 years from now will be completely different, very much affected, and who masters those technologies in some way will be the master of the world.
00:21:34.000The WHO, as I told you earlier, are pushing a treaty that will give them the power to implement legal control in your country in the event of another pandemic.
00:21:45.000And let's face it, there's another one coming.
00:21:47.000Do you think, let me know this in the chat, are these measures about your health or controlling your future freedom?
00:22:17.000They've got a brilliant new draft pandemic treaty that's going to surveil you into so much better health and definitely not negatively impact your freedom.
00:22:28.000We've got a fantastic story for you today about the World Health Organization.
00:22:33.000A new draft pandemic treaty which they propose will give them more powers to surveil and control you.
00:22:42.000You don't need to take my word for it.
00:22:43.000Here are the WHO explaining how they're going to help you from the terror and horror of your sweet beautiful freedom.
00:22:50.000We want to end this emergency in every country.
00:22:54.000On the planet, in 2023, and we can do this.
00:22:57.000And even if that emergency provides opportunities, you know, a wealth transfer of five trillion, some of the most powerful organizations in the world becoming more powerful, more ability to regulate, even though it's an emergency in your life, if you can't get treatment for your cancer, if you can't see a doctor, if your small business is closing, some of the most powerful interests in the world benefited heavily.
00:23:15.000Let's see what the suggestions they've got for us now to advance us on our course towards more freedom.
00:23:19.000So what we are asking all member states, all countries around the world to do is to reassess their situation have a fresh look at what you're doing and look at what needs to be adjusted so we need to strengthen the systems in countries around surveillance oh surveillance well that's interesting you're going to help us by watching us we need to strengthen the clinical care pathway so that any individual if they are infected
00:24:10.000For you, incidentally, you have to ask, Right at the beginning, right at this point, is this for us or is this for those centralized systems?
00:24:17.000We prioritize and focus our vaccination campaigns to ensure that we reach 100% of the at-risk groups.
00:24:27.000Notice that in their promotional material, the WHO very deliberately show vaccination
00:24:31.000programs being successfully completed in what look like nations where the majority of people
00:24:37.000One might assume that that was one of the African nations where that man is being inoculated.
00:24:42.000Curiously, the WHO's biggest single funder refused to rescind the patents enabling the
00:24:47.000vaccines to be manufactured in those nations.
00:24:50.000Which, if what you were doing this for was philanthropy, because the Bill and Melinda
00:24:54.000Gates Foundation is a philanthropic organisation, then presumably you would waive those patents
00:24:58.000to facilitate those medicines get into as many people as possible.
00:25:01.000If though you apply a different metric, like they were doing it for profit, then it would make sense not to give over the patents because you wouldn't profit from it.
00:25:08.000So you tell me, what analysis makes more sense to you?
00:25:11.000Profit and power, humanitarianism and kindness.
00:25:14.000Always the humanitarianism and the kind of dialed out, amped up so you can't hear or think anything.
00:25:26.000Oh, but I noticed that it gave you a great deal of ability to surveil us, profit, impose regulation at a time where people are becoming more awakened and have more ability to communicate and organise.
00:25:35.000That's just an inadvertent side effect.
00:25:37.000Yeah, there are a lot of inadvertent side effects.
00:25:42.000100% of individuals need to be boosted who are over 60.
00:25:45.000We need new and updated vaccines that focus on preventing infection and transmission.
00:25:50.000We need to understand more about the different types of public health and social measures and we really need to build trust.
00:25:58.000You certainly do need to build trust after that last fiasco we've all just been through, after we've seen the way that Bill Gates acquired shares, sold shares, the timing of those events, that whole piece of propaganda underscored by beautiful strings, an attempt to present information as philanthropic and altruistic that ultimately might be about power and control.
00:26:19.000The World Health Organization, WHO, has released the latest Zero Draft of its International Pandemic Treaty, which will give the unelected global health agency new sweeping surveillance powers if passed.
00:26:32.000The treaty requires the WHO's 194 member states, which represents 98% of all the countries in the world, to strengthen the WHO's One Health surveillance systems.
00:26:44.000It's centrally determined policies implemented without democracy, funded by, yes, your taxes, countries like the United States, my country, the UK, all sorts of countries, Germany, the biggest donor.
00:26:54.000But the second biggest donor, as I'm sure you know by now, is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
00:26:58.000And that's not their only means for getting funding into the WHO.
00:27:02.000Do you think, have you seen over the course of your life, that giving money to something gives you some power and influence?
00:27:09.000Do you think that if you donate money to an organisation that Passes global regulations around vaccines, for example, and elsewhere you invest in shares for vaccine companies.
00:27:45.000And uses the close interdependent links among these fields to create new surveillance and disease control methods.
00:27:51.000Bloody hell, that sounds like an immersive web of observation, which after the revelations of, say, Edward Snowden, seems like something I don't want to grant to an unelected transnational body.
00:28:01.000The WHO's One Health fact sheet points to COVID-19 as one of the main reasons for expanding its One Health approach and states that it puts spotlight on the need for a global framework for improved surveillance.
00:28:11.000That's weird, because I'd say that the COVID-19 pandemic shows you exactly why we should improve individual freedom, community democracy, democracy more generally, the right of people to participate in a conversation.
00:28:22.000To hear all sides of the conversation around science.
00:28:24.000To extract profit from the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry so that they are responsive to their taxpayer funders and that any money that they raise subsequent to an emergency is returned to the nations and people that funded it in the first place.
00:28:36.000So, seems like we learned very different lessons.
00:28:38.000The draft treaty also orders WHO member states to strengthen surveillance functions for outbreak investigation and control through interoperable early warning and alert systems.
00:28:50.000You won't be able to decide and neither will your country be able to decide if you want more or less surveillance.
00:28:57.000Additionally, it requires member states to recognise the WHO as the directing and coordinating authority on international health work in pandemic prevention, preparedness, response and recovery of health systems and in convening and generating scientific evidence and more generally fostering multilateral cooperation in global health governance.
00:29:16.000They use words like cooperation Directing and coordinating authority.
00:29:21.000Essentially what that's saying is that they will become an unelected, all-powerful system of governance when it comes to crises.
00:29:31.000It isn't some unquestionable, mystical entity.
00:29:35.000It's the interests of human beings coalescing around a set of ideas, many of which lead to profit, some of which lead to greater ability to assert control.
00:29:45.000What I'm suggesting is that you should decide if it's right for you.
00:29:49.000You should vote for whether or not you want it to happen in your community, your country.
00:30:09.000This draft treaty has been in the works since December 2021.
00:30:12.000A final report on the treaty is expected to be presented to the WHO's decision-making body, the World Health Assembly, WHA, in May 2024.
00:30:20.000If passed, this treaty will be adopted under Article 19 of the WHO Constitution, an article that allows the WHO to impose legally binding convention on the WHO's 194 member states if two-thirds of the member states' representatives vote in favour of the conventions.
00:30:37.000Unless you believe that Bill Gates' huge donations to the WHO do not amount to influence, then you have to accept that what the WHO means is that Bill Gates has the ability to create international laws that affect everybody.
00:30:52.000I mean, notice he was all over your TV set throughout the pandemic.
00:31:08.000Just get Bill Gates to tell me what to do.
00:31:10.000Unlike the law-making process in most democratic nations, where elected officials implement national law, this WHO process allows a small number of global representatives, often unelected diplomats, to impose international laws on all of the WHO's member states.
00:31:24.000The WHO has the support of many powerful nations, including the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the European Council, which represents 27 European member states.
00:31:34.000This treaty is just one of the global surveillance proposals with ties to the WHO that is being pushed by influential global figures.
00:31:41.000At Business B20 2022, a summit of business leaders from Group of 20, G20 countries, numerous countries agreed on a digital health passport that used WHO standards.
00:31:52.000The digital health certificate will track whether people have been vaccinated or tested.
00:31:57.000You don't want unelected officials deciding the basic facts of your life.
00:32:27.000Instead of stopping the movement of the people 100%, which clogged the economy globally, you know, you can still provide some movement of the people.
00:32:37.000So hopefully for the next pandemic, we can still see some movement of the people, some movement of the goods, and movement of the economy.
00:32:45.000But it will ultimately be what they decide is what's being suggested.
00:32:49.000Do you remember in the early days of the pandemic when it was suggested there should be more surveillance, digital IDs to stop the spread, all that kind of stuff, even though stopping the spread now seems like a dubious goal, particularly in connection with the administration of medicine.
00:33:02.000It was suggested that it was up to us and to our benefit to hand over our data and that they would never be misused.
00:33:07.000It would never be given to spy agencies.
00:33:25.000In the pandemic's bewildering early days, millions worldwide believed government officials who said they needed confidential data for new tech tools that could help stop coronavirus spread.
00:33:35.000In return, governments got a firehose of individuals' private health details, photographs that captured their facial measurements and their home addresses.
00:33:42.000Now from Beijing to Jerusalem to Hyderabad, India and Perth, Australia, the Associated Press has found that authorities used these technologies and data to halt travel for activists and ordinary people, harass marginalised communities and link people's health information to other surveillance and law enforcement tools.
00:34:00.000In some cases, data was shared with spy agencies.
00:34:04.000For more than a year, AP journalists interviewed sources and pored over thousands of documents to trace how technologies marketed to flatten the curve were put to other uses.
00:34:14.000Just as the balance between privacy and national security shifted after the September 11th terrorist attacks, COVID-19 has given officials justification to embed tracking tools in society that have lasted long after lockdowns.
00:34:46.000Employees of the New York City Department of Education who refused to get vaccinated against COVID-19 had their fingerprints and files sent to the New York Criminal Justice Services and the FBI, illegal filing alleges.
00:34:57.000That means that they criminalized not getting the vaccination.
00:35:00.000They treated not being vaccinated as a crime.
00:35:03.000Think of the information that's come out subsequently that makes that an appalling and untenable position.
00:35:27.000Your ability to decide where you go, what you do, what medicines you take, what food you eat, what you believe in, what entertainment you watch, what your opinions and views are, is ultimately an inconvenience to these centralizing authorities.
00:35:41.000If you care, as any parent knows, about someone else's safety, it's an ongoing bloody negotiation between, look, I don't think you should do that.
00:36:13.000New York City had a vaccine mandate for employees of the Department of Education that required them to be fully vaccinated by September 2, 2022.
00:36:21.000By mid-September, about 1,950 employees had been fired for refusing to get the vaccine.
00:36:26.000Oh, I'm not sure about taking this vaccine.
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00:40:12.000The first thing we wanted to talk about is the power of big agriculture and how technology And in particular, the use of pesticides is creating huge health risks for the planet and disrupting our food systems.
00:40:25.000Can you give us an overview of what's happening, please, Stacey?
00:40:31.000So, our food system is really in the hands of a handful of corporations that have a long history of corruption.
00:40:37.000Pesticides and seeds, most of them in the world, the majority are sold by four corporations that have consolidated in recent years.
00:40:48.000And it's sort of a consolidation of corruption, a survival of the most brutal business tactics.
00:40:54.000So, all of these companies, as I said, have histories of hiding and denying the harm of their products.
00:41:00.000And we just came out with a report at U.S. Right to Know called Merchants of Poison
00:41:06.000that is based on a years-long investigation into Monsanto's own documents.
00:41:11.000And we have a huge trove of documents, and I hope we can talk a little bit later
00:41:15.000about how we do our research at U.S. Right to Know.
00:41:18.000But we report through these documents to lay out and explain what they show
00:41:23.000about how the company runs its science denial and disinformation campaigns.
00:41:28.000It likes the tobacco industry, like the fossil fuel industry,
00:41:32.000although I think in some ways more effectively because they have the power of.
00:41:37.000Mainstream academia on their side with many professors and universities who seem to be independent, but they're not as our research has shown.
00:41:46.000Many of them are actually getting paid by Monsanto and working directly with pesticide companies to do their public relations and lobbying for them.
00:41:55.000So we lay out the key tactics that they use.
00:42:00.000It's sort of an astonishing array of tactics.
00:42:03.000It's really a lot of desperate tactics, in my view, I think is the bottom line finding of our report that it takes to support this business model that the pesticide companies have.
00:42:21.000I mean, Merchants of Poison sounds like a very good paper and a bloody good thrash metal band name.
00:42:26.000I know Gareth in particular uses Right to Know a lot.
00:42:31.000Gareth, what in particular do you want to follow up on that Stacey was asking you No, I just think it's really interesting the way that your organisation, as Russell says, we use you a lot and you do some fantastic investigations, but you've also been smeared and discredited by some of the mainstream media now, and you were just talking about the ways in which universities are funded by Monsanto and things.
00:42:52.000What do you feel about censorship at the moment and the way that you've been kind of discredited yourselves and what direction is that going and is it becoming harder to tell the truth like you are doing?
00:43:06.000Well, it's very intense and we were attacked right out of the gate when we started our organization in 2015.
00:43:13.000And the reason was because we were looking where Monsanto and the pesticide companies didn't want us looking.
00:43:19.000And we first came up against Monsanto about 10 years ago when we tried to label genetically engineered foods in California.
00:44:08.000So my colleague at that time, Gary Ruskin, and I started U.S.
00:44:12.000Right to Know, and he filed many public records requests for the emails of academics
00:44:18.000that we suspected were working with Monsanto.
00:44:22.000Over the years, we've dug up tens of thousands of pages of documents from agrochemical industry,
00:44:28.000now also the ultra processed food industry.
00:44:31.000We also investigate the origins of COVID-19.
00:44:36.000And we found many news-breaking documents that have led to our own investigations, front-page investigations in the New York Times and many other media outlets.
00:44:48.000We at one point revealed that Monsanto had an entire PR campaign to try to discredit our group.
00:44:57.000There's a 31-page Monsanto document, a PR plan involving 11 Monsanto employees, several PR firms, and we were three people.
00:45:10.000So this is how threatened they are by transparency, by their own documents.
00:45:17.000And what they show about how they run their business.
00:45:20.000So astonishing that they will go to so much trouble to repress the truth rather than behaving ethically.
00:45:27.000Clearly what is often pointed to as science, continually this term is used, as if it's a new orthodoxy, a new unequivocal monolith of truth, when in fact it's often been funded, paid for.
00:45:43.000Food monopolies preventing information entering the mainstream, Even about recognized, popularly eaten and ordinarily recognized brands like Pepsi, Kellogg's, Coca-Cola.
00:45:57.000As I understand, many of these processed food brands spend a lot of money publishing, like on influencing studies and repressing information about the damage that their products do.
00:47:11.000And we talk a lot in the report about the very aggressive, unprecedented campaign
00:47:17.000that they ran to try to discredit the World Health Organization's Cancer Research Agency,
00:47:22.000which found in 2015 that glyphosate was a probable human carcinogen.
00:47:28.000So they personally and viciously attack scientists, and it's just sort of a playbook 101.
00:47:36.000Sense is the very essence of what's meant by systemic corruption,
00:47:40.000the inability to tell truthful stories, to...
00:47:44.000Convey information that's beneficial to people that gets in the way of profit.
00:47:48.000Now, I don't want to give the impression that the man's gotten into my head too much because I did literally dream about Bill Gates recently, which I talked about on our show that's available for our locals community.
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00:48:03.000Bill Gates is a lead investor in biotech companies that patent food.
00:48:09.000Vandana Shiva is a great friend of our show and a great mentor of ours, and she talks continually about the negative impact that Bill Gates has had on her country, India, and on many countries in the continent of Africa.
00:48:23.000Is there anything in your research around Monsanto and elsewhere in Big Agra, Big Food, and tech that has brought Bill Gates's name and his funding entities to the forefront?
00:48:35.000I've done a lot of reporting on Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation, particularly focusing on their campaign to expand industrial, chemical-intensive agriculture in Africa.
00:48:46.000So they spent about $6 million on that effort under the banner of the Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa.
00:48:54.000And this is despite no evidence showing that it's achieved anywhere near the things they, you know, wildly and boldly promise about Feeding the world and helping the poor.
00:49:06.000African groups across the continent have protested against the Gates Foundation, have tried to bring their views to the Gates Foundation.
00:49:13.000They've been almost entirely ignored as they double down on these efforts to push corporate controlled agriculture, seed laws that actually can criminalize seed saving and seed exchanges.
00:49:26.000In some cases, that's a huge fight happening in Africa right now.
00:49:30.000And I've also written about, you know, what is Bill Gates' food agenda and plans to transform our food system, which he talks about all the time, under the guise of helping the climate and feeding the poor.
00:49:45.000But really what it's about is monocultures, patented foods, and ultra-processed foods, and this push for techno-foods.
00:49:53.000You know, basically the pesticide industry scheme is patented seeds, A handful of crops, getting farmers to grow huge monocultures that depend on pesticides and fertilizers that are harming the soil, that are harming people and our health, and these crops don't even feed people.
00:50:16.000They're used mostly for cars, for cows, and for ultra-processed food factories.
00:50:24.000Oh, Stacey, you're getting a lot of love from our community down here.
00:50:28.000People like Feel The M and Susan, Maria Hall, all sending love and very grateful for the work that you're doing.
00:50:37.000Gareth, have you got any more inquiries about your fellow journalists there at US Right To Know?
00:50:41.000Yeah, I was just, it was so interesting about Bill Gates, you know, obviously the kind of hero-worship that he's had over the last couple of years, and yet at the same time we have discovered that he's the biggest farmland owner in the United States now.
00:50:53.000How much of a connection do you see between that ownership of farmland now that he has, and these plans for ultra-processed food and changing the food systems?
00:51:04.000Yeah, well, you know, he says he bought the farmland because his investment company told him to.
00:51:23.000You know, they're building more of these factories.
00:51:25.000And if you look at what's actually in these food factories and companies like Ginkgo Bioworks,
00:51:32.000which Bill Gates is a big investor in, I've written a lot about that company.
00:51:36.000You know, it's energy intensive, plastic intensive, ultra, ultra processed foods that consumers
00:51:42.000are not even saying they want, fake meats and so forth.
00:51:46.000So, you know, is this the food system that we want?
00:51:51.000And I think people don't want this food system and that we need to find ways to de-escalate, decentralize, bring food back to local communities and grow it in ways that are based on agroecological principles and that actually help farmers and communities.
00:52:41.000It seems increasingly that we are encouraged not to look at and obviously to financially
00:52:46.000support agricultural dietary measures that are bad for the planet, bad for us individually,
00:52:53.000bad for our health, bad for our culture, bad for our society and then when someone like
00:52:57.000you and your organisation questions it, you become the subject of smearing campaigns.
00:53:03.000This is precisely in microcosm, and indeed globally, how we've come to imagine and assume these systems are working.
00:53:11.000But it's always so valuable, Stacey, to get an opportunity to access the research that you have done that stops it being the wild conjecture of a madman and brings it into a place of journalistic integrity.
00:53:24.000Thank you so much for joining us today, Stacey, for that fantastic interview.
00:53:27.000I know that we'll be talking to you more, at least I hope so.
00:53:31.000I hope so too and everyone you can follow our work at USRTK.org and please also sign up for our weekly free newsletter to find out about our investigations because we have lots more going on in the food industry, COVID-19 origins and lots more on the pesticide companies.
00:54:26.000In a way, this, for me, helps to demonstrate that it increasingly is not important what your cultural or even political identity is, but that you are interested in freedom.
00:54:37.000Freedom, which, by the way, is now subject to a campaign to turn it into a word that is divisive and even bigoted.
00:54:45.000You know, when we talk about freedom, we mean your individual freedom to be who you are, obviously, without harming other people, freedom for your community.
00:54:52.000We've got a fantastic story coming up about that soon.
00:54:55.000And yeah, you're right, like groups like Right To Know are doing diligent, fastidious, necessary work to demonstrate and prove that what many of us feel, that something isn't right, that we're not being told the truth, that they're making decisions that are not for our benefit, claiming that it's for our safety, for our convenience, their kindness, all these Extraordinary tropes that we hear again and again and increasingly becoming suspicious of.
00:55:20.000The work of people like Stacey demonstrates that it's true.
00:55:23.000And then you get, you know, again, it's not always to paint Bill Gates as the biggest villain.
00:55:28.000I mean, it's quite plainly, it's not just the realm of conspiracy that he's up to these things.
00:55:34.000Like Stacey, we've just been talked through some of the things that he's up to.
00:55:37.000But when he goes on the media and the most that he'll get is someone either talking about Jeffrey Epstein or saying, do you think it's bad that you take those private jets all the time?
00:56:09.000Why are you investing in all these media companies?
00:56:12.000And then would we just plainly go, look, we think this bill, you're totally loaded and that.
00:56:17.000You've gone a bit mad and you want to wind it in a little bit.
00:56:21.000I think Bill Gates will just always have an answer of, this is designed for the good of humanity and the good of society.
00:56:28.000You know, he'll always have, like with these food systems at the moment and the ultra-processed food, as with the stuff in Africa, it's always, they've got a problem in Africa, we need to go and help them, this is the only way it can be done.
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00:59:43.000Okay, so hey, tomorrow, Tim Paul, another fantastic conversation, and we've got some wonderful conversations coming up next week, and I'll be letting you know about how you can come and see me live if you're in Florida or Los Angeles in about a week's time, because we're going over there to do Rogan and Bill Maher and Tucker and all of that kind of stuff.