A conversation between Kid Rock and Joe Rogan on the Middle East and why it s a war crime Kid Rock endorses Israel, but the mainstream media doesn t seem to care. Also, why is it so hard for people to see that Kid Rock is a racist and a misogynist? And why does he think it s good that he endorsed Israel in the first place? And what does that have to do with anything other than his own personal feelings about the situation in the region? Russell Brand takes a look at this and much more on this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand: Waking Up Wonderous. Stay free with Russell Brand! Remember, there s an episode every single day, 7 days a week, to educate and elevate our consciousness together. Stay free, and enjoy the episode! No, Here s the Fucking News! by Russell Brand. You can support our content by clicking the link in the description where we make additional content every week, and you can join us for important conversations with people like Bobby Kennedy, Rand Paul and Vandana Shiva, and many more. Once a week we bring you in-depth conversations with guests like Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr, Sam Harris, and Rand Paul, and Gabor Mate and many others. We really appreciate you, our listeners, and want to bring you more content. We will be delivering a podcast every day, seven days 7-week, 7-days-a-day. - The Wanderer, Bringing you more freedom and truth and freedom. by delivering a detailed breakdown of current topics that you can be delivered to you, everywhere. . - Stay free and more! - by Bringing you the truth and more freedom, by bringing you more of what you can t live up to you in a world where you can learn more about the truth, not less of it by being free, more of your truth and less of that by listening to more of it, and more of that, you ll be helping you, you get more of the truth you need to know it, more like it, you will be helped you, more free, you'll be more free so you won't have it, right there, you won t have to be free, better of it? thank you, more of a place to help you, right in the rest of the world , more of you, better listening to it.
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00:01:06.000Okay, so today Joe Rogan and Kid Rock discussing the Middle East and there's a point where in the haughty world of mainstream media, who cares?
00:01:13.000Kid Rock, that sort of white Rapper fella.
00:01:19.000But one of the things that new media has exposed is that people like Joe Rogan have as much right to discuss political issues as people like Anthony Blinken.
00:01:28.000I mean, have you seen that guy's perspectives?
00:01:30.000Or Nancy Pelosi just pulling conspiracy theories out the air and saying them on television.
00:01:34.000And Jen Psaki, former government messaging person, now MSNBC host, just sort of going, yeah, tell us some more things that you think off the top of your head, Nancy.
00:01:43.000We're all wondering this question, Speaker Pelosi.
00:02:14.000He's a man who shoots from the hip as part of his general method of communication.
00:02:18.000So on the subject of Middle East, it's hardly surprising that some of his perspectives were, in my view, kind of a little harsh.
00:02:23.000I mean, he referenced Nagasaki and Hiroshima as sort of positive outcomes at one point, which I found difficult having sort of watched those things.
00:02:30.000Look, Kid Rock, just watch Oppenheimer.
00:02:38.000Okay, but what's perhaps interesting is that Joe Rogan is a person that the left or the liberal establishment, or let's call it the Democrat Party, sort of sneer about and ridicule on mainstream television, but he's the sort of star or celebrity or whatever you want to call it that would You'd think be valuable if what you cared about was an anti-war perspective, individual freedom and sovereignty, tolerance for a variety of views, and being diplomatic about a difficult situation, and actually calling the situation in the Middle East what many people believe it is, a war crime.
00:03:35.000Derek is actually clearly a really reflective person, saying like the apocalypse spreads like a fog.
00:03:41.000Some people's apocalypse has already happened.
00:03:43.000And it's difficult not to imagine that were you an occupant of Gaza living amidst the endless hail of bombs, that indeed it is Armageddon, particularly as it's taking place under the auspices of territorial and religious Differences?
00:03:58.000I mean, I don't really know that there's a more accurate definition of Armageddon available for us, except for, I don't know, that Bruce Willis film.
00:04:04.000It doesn't seem like an appropriate thing to mention.
00:04:06.000Kid Rock will probably use it as a reference in a minute, because Kid Rock has got some, what seems to me, pretty... I mean, he seems pretty confident in his perspective, let's say.
00:04:13.000I mean, we're rude about Kid Rock, because perhaps one day I'll meet Kid Rock and I don't want him to shoot me.
00:04:18.000And when I look at it that way, I'm like... The only wars we won were fucking ones where we were the most brutal motherfuckers on the planet.
00:04:24.000Already, you're getting the idea that Kid Rock's got some strong views.
00:04:27.000Now, like, I know that there are people in our streams, in our comments, that seem to have similarly, let's call them aggressive, perspectives, but I'm pretty certain myself that there will be no resolution in that direction.
00:04:39.000Like, even when you look at what appears at least through the lens of history and the propaganda that we read to have been a sort of cut-and-dry black-and-white victory, the victory over Nazism, and anyone would surely agree that Nazism, as most people understand it, was bad.
00:04:53.000I can't help but ask questions like, you know, Project Paperclip, the number of Nazi scientists
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00:05:05.000Englishman participated in the annihilation of the people of Dresden. There's so many
00:05:09.000questions. In a sense, if you're looking for not even utopia, but meaningful, reasonable
00:05:14.000progress, you don't look back to the Second World War as a sort of golden age. It was
00:06:47.000I would have liked the cutaway of Joe Rogan at the Nagasaki, Hiroshima moment, because what Joe Rogan subsequently says is an indication that he found that a difficult image to deal with.
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00:09:04.000The problem with the legacy media is they think that Joe Rogan is Kid Rock.
00:09:09.000But look at Joe Rogan and look at Kid Rock.
00:09:12.000Joe Rogan is clearly a kind of, this is not good, is it?
00:09:16.000This situation in the Middle East and his impact speaks for itself.
00:09:20.000The net impact of Joe Rogan is positive, isn't it?
00:09:22.000That's like someone who's inviting people that wouldn't listen to, they're not listening to Rachel Maddow, the people that listen to this, and they're hearing, yeah you can't just nuclear bomb people, yeah that's why the landscape's changing actually, that's why Republicans aren't the de facto default party of war, because libertarianism, individualism and whatever sort of new emerging ideologies are coming out of this new technological space are I didn't say nukum!
00:10:21.000Because Kid Rock actually has continual recourse to the kind of militarism that I'm sure many people will be dismissive of in the form of a cultural figure like Kid Rock.
00:10:30.000That's actually policy in a lot of courses.
00:10:32.000Like Lindsey Graham, that's what he's saying.
00:10:46.000And Joe Rogan is a continually maligned, several occasions broadly attacked Figure of in some spaces, and they're relevant spaces, figure of ridicule.
00:10:54.000And I would sort of invite those people that sort of like have him portrayed on SNL in the manner he was or throughout CNN's coverage of the ivermectin stuff.
00:11:14.000In this, you get more diplomacy than in the Democratic Party's policy at the moment, and you certainly get more discourse, and you certainly get more open-mindedness.
00:11:22.000So how dare those institutions be critical, condemnatory, and dismissive of Joe Rogan and what Joe Rogan represents, which is plainly a huge portion of the American population.
00:11:33.000And after this, thank God, because Those people will be hearing, yeah hang on a minute, you can't just keep bombing everyone and expect it all to kind of just work out.
00:11:47.000Not just someone licking a bloody ice cream or Lindsey Graham saying bomb, bomb, bomb them.
00:11:51.000These are mainstream political figures and I think perhaps something I've not really considered before is one of the symptoms of the emerging independent media space is like people are going, I'd rather have that person as president.
00:12:21.000And once you start to challenge those hierarchies, you start to see it quake on a fundamental issue like war, you realize, ah, that's what's happening now.
00:12:29.000The system is falling apart, new things are emerging, and the people that need it to stay the same are trying to create endless crises to legitimize ever-increasing authoritarianism.
00:12:55.000Sounds like Bud Light. You have to let that go at some point. You get guns, you're going to go want
00:13:00.000to attack people. You're going to want to avenge them. You're going to want to join whatever group,
00:13:06.000whatever terrorist group. So why did World War II end? You might not think that that's an
00:13:09.000earth-shattering observation from Joe Rogan, but if you take a moment to reflect on the consequences
00:13:14.000of the Afghanistan and Iraq war and how closely they align with his prognosis for this conflict,
00:13:20.000you start to recognize that it might be valuable to have Antony Blinken or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi
00:13:26.000or Hillary Clinton or any one of these people say, "Look, the problem is with this ever-escalating
00:13:31.000tension in the Middle East is that it can't really ever end, can it?"
00:13:35.000Even if you annihilate everybody there, wouldn't that ultimately lead to sympathy and more fracture, fissure and war within the region?
00:13:42.000And with this conflict between Ukraine and Russia, ultimately isn't that going to lead to an ever escalating crisis with a nuclear armed super state?
00:13:50.000And what's the point in provoking China?
00:13:52.000to do this for very long. And bearing in mind this is a conversation between Joe Rogan and Kid Rock,
00:13:56.000they've always started to question the entire geopolitical agenda. And people are doing that
00:14:00.000on an unprecedented scale and that is why you've now got a censorship industrial complex. That's
00:14:04.000why you've got two political parties that basically agree with one another on absolutely everything.
00:14:08.000And that's why you've got a discontented population that are actually crying out for
00:14:13.000change. Whether it's people on the cultural left or people on cultural right, they're crying out
00:14:16.000for change. We don't want these institutions posing as democracy anymore because when it comes to a
00:14:22.000clear-cut subject like war, it's all they're advocating for.
00:14:26.000There's no one in the political space saying anything as radical as Joe Rogan.
00:14:30.000In fact I don't think there's anyone on MSNBC or CNN saying isn't this going to escalate endlessly and potentially on that particular issue.
00:14:36.000I don't know how it all carves up anymore.
00:14:37.000That's why I have a position of why don't we not have any wars and always look for an immediate diplomatic solution where possible and in particular No, I'm sorry, man.
00:15:30.000That's actually a war crime what you've done there.
00:15:33.000It seems like a more reasoned way to run the country.
00:15:36.000Isn't this the perfect compromise for everybody wants?
00:15:38.000Isn't this what the Republican demographic sort of wants?
00:15:41.000Isn't this what the demographic ultimately wants?
00:15:42.000I mean aren't these issues On the whole, more important than some of the cultural arguments that we're having, we have a media establishment that wants you locked in an unwinnable quarrel about gun ownership and abortions when those subjects will be secondary to Armageddon, which is where both parties are steering us.
00:16:04.000It will be easy to dismiss this encounter as a chat between a right-wing conspiracy theorist in the form of Kid Rock and Eccentric, except that points in this dialogue are an exchange of exactly what you hear from the most hawkish elements in Congress.
00:17:00.000Sensitive, diplomatic and considered at a point where those in positions of power making decisions with your tax dollars and the lives of real people around the world don't have an iota of the sensitivity that we've just seen displayed for a massive audience that the mainstream media are happy to dismiss as a Joe Rogan, he doesn't have a tie!
00:17:21.000It's just meatheads isn't it? Oh, Joe Rogan. They're very dismissive about that.
00:17:25.000What ought happen in any sensible culture is that you should see that as a forum where ideas are
00:17:30.000exchanged in an interesting and meaningful way and astonishing though it is to say it,
00:17:34.000we would be better off if Congress took a leaf out of Joe Rogan's book than the reverse.
00:17:40.000They're the ones pretending they're the adults. They're like, "Joe Rogan? He doesn't have a tie.
00:17:44.000I've got a newsroom back there." And people are like, "Well, Joe Rogan might be happy to peddle