Stay Free - Russel Brand - Here’s the News: Epstein’s List - What They Aren’t Telling You...

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00:00:42.000 Hello there you Awakening Wonders, thanks for joining us on our voyage to truth and

00:00:54.000 freedom in 2024.

00:00:56.000 Surely this is the year not of resolution, but of revolution, of mutual awakening, where we're offered elections but they have to mean something this year.

00:01:04.000 This has to be the year where we do have some agency.

00:01:07.000 And will we ever have agency when the deep state and the legacy media are able to puppet events in the mainstream to prevent us accessing legitimate truth?

00:01:16.000 Even when you see swathes of stories about Epstein, usually presented somewhat Some people seem to think that it's odd that there's a fixation or fascination around Epstein, but it's pretty odd that this guy has all these powerful connections.

00:01:38.000 Gates, the Clintons, Trump even, has had connections to many, many powerful figures and has been convicted of some pretty serious crimes and had very, very lenient sentences.

00:01:51.000 That's beyond the average billionaire fixer of sexual adventure.

00:01:55.000 So, let's get into the truth around Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:59.000 Is it possible that he was an operative for Mossad and the CIA?

00:02:03.000 If not, then why was he treated in such an extraordinary way?

00:02:06.000 And let's not forget, he did die in pretty mysterious circumstances as well.

00:02:09.000 The Epstein documents were released today making public the names of almost 200 people associated with disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

00:02:17.000 A court released the unredacted names that include some anticipated names like former President Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Limited Brands founder Lex Wexner.

00:02:28.000 Well, I've heard a lot more names than that.

00:02:29.000 Listen to this from the article, "The release of new court documents from a lawsuit related

00:02:34.000 to Jeffrey Epstein provided little if any new fodder for conspiracy theorists

00:02:38.000 who remain fixated on Mr. Epstein's dealings more than four years after his death, according to the New

00:02:43.000 York Times." 0.69

00:02:43.000 Yeah, just get over it! 0.69

00:02:44.000 I mean, it's not like he was friends with Bill Gates and the Clintons and extremely powerful individuals whose names have plainly been redacted from this documentation.

00:02:52.000 It's not like he got lenient sentences for pedophilia and then mysteriously died in his prison cell and all of the footage went missing and no one knows how he suddenly was able to end his own life.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, stop thinking about it.

00:03:04.000 The New York Times can be relied on to tell you the truth.

00:03:04.000 Just get on with it.

00:03:06.000 There's nothing to see here.

00:03:08.000 Trust the legacy media.

00:03:09.000 We haven't got no skin in the game.

00:03:11.000 The more than 900 pages of materials previously deemed confidential includes references to familiar names.

00:03:19.000 Former President Bill Clinton.

00:03:20.000 Have you seen Bill Clinton?

00:03:21.000 He was there like too many times really for there to have been nothing at all going on and when he gets asked about it he looks a bit demonic.

00:03:29.000 A little too reptilian for comfort I'd say.

00:03:35.000 In one, a woman who once worked for Epstein recalled he spoke to her about Clinton, saying Epstein told her one time, quote, that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls.

00:03:47.000 But which Clinton?

00:03:48.000 A spokesman for Clinton referred NBC News to a prior statement from 2019, saying he had not spoken to Epstein in over a decade and was unaware of Epstein's crimes.

00:03:58.000 When you see Hillary Clinton talking about, like, MAGA extremists and Trump, it's odd to consider that on some levels you're thinking, I hope people don't find out about Bill Clinton's mad trips to that island the whole time.

00:04:10.000 It's weird, isn't it, that that all has to just sort of be held down.

00:04:13.000 I'm just a normal politician.

00:04:14.000 This is what's reality.

00:04:15.000 There's nothing to see here. 0.83

00:04:17.000 Please pay no more attention to Epstein's Island and his small clientele of loyal perverts.

00:04:22.000 People, this is an issue that we as a town are strong enough to ignore.

00:04:27.000 Let us give no more scrutiny to this bawdy house and its small clientele of loyal perverts. 0.99

00:04:32.000 Other prominent names also littered throughout the documents, including the late pop star Michael Jackson and magician David Copperfield.

00:04:41.000 Well, at least we know what happened to the body now.

00:04:43.000 Somehow someone's gotten into this prison and killed Epstein without anybody knowing!

00:04:47.000 Also, where the hell's the Statue of Liberty? 0.97

00:04:51.000 Ah, cross me once, more fool you, cross me twice. 0.81

00:04:53.000 I'm nicking the Statue of Liberty!

00:04:55.000 Sigrid McCauley, Dufresne's attorney, says her client supports the documents being made public and they only begin to scratch the surface.

00:05:03.000 We learn more each time about how this sophisticated trafficking operation happened for so many decades and how many people were involved.

00:05:12.000 So I guess the legacy media is invested in saying that this is a salacious and outrageous sex story.

00:05:18.000 It's about pure and erotic stuff.

00:05:20.000 Big stars.

00:05:21.000 Sex crimes, indeed, if it involves a non-consensual activity or underage girls.

00:05:26.000 And that is, of course, an extraordinary story in itself.

00:05:29.000 But what I'm truly interested in Is what's happening at depth?

00:05:33.000 How did Epstein have so much access to so many incredibly powerful people?

00:05:37.000 I know the kind of spaces we exist in.

00:05:39.000 A lot of you believe that part of the machinery of state and establishment power is the ability to blackmail and control powerful figures.

00:05:47.000 People like Alex Jones and David Icke and various other people who have been much maligned and condemned as conspiracy theorists have long said that many people in positions of power have material that can be used against them and used to control them.

00:06:00.000 Well, is the Epstein story a piece of that jigsaw that once again moves us from conspiracy theory to conspiracy facts?

00:06:08.000 I mean, note that the New York Times are pretty determined to go, oh, boring!

00:06:11.000 Oh, you're still going on about that guy who fixed boring old sex parties for the world's most powerful people. 0.94

00:06:17.000 What is so intriguing about his pedophile island? 0.55

00:06:20.000 I mean, in itself, it's pretty astonishing that what's yet more astonishing is that he has ties to the CIA, plainly.

00:06:25.000 The CIA do stuff like that.

00:06:27.000 It's called honey trapping and honey potting, the kind of stuff that British secret services were doing in the country of

00:06:32.000 Ireland for many years and these kind of techniques are used

00:06:34.000 apparently around the world to control and manipulate and dirty tricks, style wars, these kind of things go on.

00:06:40.000 And of course there are people that are involved in it and it seems to me based on some of the sentences received that

00:06:45.000 Jeffrey Epstein had some friends in high places, but in the end not enough

00:06:48.000 friends and not high enough.

00:06:50.000 Let's get into it.

00:06:50.000 In fact, these documents offer new evidence and insight into how Epstein and Maxwell appeared to be blackmailing

00:06:55.000 powerful individuals, albeit to mysterious ends.

00:06:59.000 Currently not revealed, currently still suppressed ends, you might contest.

00:07:04.000 It's true that some of the information released had already come to light.

00:07:07.000 Last April, for example, the Wall Street Journal reported that the current director of the Central Intelligence Agency, William Burns, had scheduled free meetings with Epstein in 2014.

00:07:15.000 At the time, Burns was Deputy Secretary of State.

00:07:18.000 Oh, it's just the former Deputy Secretary of State that's now the head of the CIA meeting with a guy who's got some sort of paedophile island who also meets with Bill Gates and people are going, oh, boring!

00:07:27.000 In 2019, reporter Vicky Ward for the Daily Beast wrote a story about the Justice Department's 2007 non-prosecution agreement with Epstein.

00:07:35.000 Where others might have gone to prison for similar crimes, Epstein made a deal with the US Attorney's Office and avoided federal prosecution.

00:07:41.000 Under this agreement, Epstein avoided a potential life sentence and served only 13 months in a work release program.

00:07:47.000 The same year, another of Epstein's victims alleged that he had cameras in his house to monitor people.

00:07:52.000 That claim lent further credence to the theory that Epstein was collecting compromising material on influential figures.

00:07:59.000 So would the CIA do something like that?

00:08:01.000 Would the Deep State do something like that?

00:08:02.000 You just have to ask yourself.

00:08:04.000 Have the CIA and the FBI in recent years been shown to be white than white, reliable organisations that don't engage in scurrilous skullduggery and trickery? 0.99

00:08:14.000 Well, that's not the case, is it?

00:08:15.000 We know that the FBI It's quite possible that Jeffrey Epstein experienced the lenient sentencing that he did because he had relationships with people in positions of power.

00:08:21.000 That's not an absurd conspiracy theory.

00:08:23.000 and you get the sense it's just the tip of the iceberg, don't you?

00:08:25.000 So it's quite possible that Jeffrey Epstein experienced the lenient sentencing that he did

00:08:30.000 because he had relationships with people in positions of power.

00:08:33.000 It's not an absurd conspiracy theory.

00:08:34.000 I mean, when I was a kid, conspiracy theory meant things like

00:08:36.000 Loch Ness Monster!

00:08:38.000 It was like actual mad stuff.

00:08:39.000 Look, come on.

00:08:40.000 It's not monsters.

00:08:41.000 It came from fiction.

00:08:43.000 Now, conspiracy theories are, do you think that powerful people are possibly organizing scenarios and situations that are beneficial and allow them to control things?

00:08:51.000 That's not a conspiracy theory.

00:08:51.000 Hey, do you think that the pandemic was handled in an unusual way that benefited certain interests and was punitive to other interests?

00:08:58.000 What's next?

00:08:59.000 Loch Ness Monster? 0.99

00:09:00.000 You tinfoil hat wearing lunatic. 0.65

00:09:01.000 No, I'm just looking at the share prices of Pfizer, just looking at all these people that used to work for the government or the FDA, they're now working for Moderna. 0.76

00:09:09.000 I don't know, it seems like there's some connection.

00:09:12.000 Cuckoo! 0.59

00:09:13.000 What's next?

00:09:14.000 Jeffrey Epstein was filming that stuff to blackmail people.

00:09:16.000 You're out of control.

00:09:17.000 Why, if that were true, Jeffrey Epstein, he wouldn't be safe in prison, would he?

00:09:20.000 But the newly unsealed documents include powerful new evidence that Epstein and Maxwell were deliberately blackmailing people.

00:09:26.000 While nobody has offered hard evidence that intelligence agencies, and in particular the CIA or Mossad, were directly involved in Epstein and Maxwell's blackmailing of public figures, many of the journalists who investigated the Epstein case have concluded that they were running what is known in the intelligence community as a honeypot or honey trap aimed at using sex to blackmail people.

00:09:45.000 In her article, reporter Vicki Ward noted that President Donald Trump's Labour Secretary, Alexander Acosta, was the US Attorney for South Florida who arranged the lenient sentence.

00:09:54.000 He'd cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein's attorneys because he'd been told to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade, wrote Ward.

00:10:01.000 I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone, Acosta said, according to Ward.

00:10:06.000 It seems somewhat plausible.

00:10:07.000 It doesn't seem ridiculous.

00:10:08.000 When you look at some of the crimes he was convicted of and the subsequent sentences, it seems that he had relationships with people in the judiciary.

00:10:14.000 Then you just have to ask yourself, do you think it's possible the judiciary are corruptible?

00:10:18.000 Yeah, basically.

00:10:19.000 Do you think that deep state agencies do things that are corruptible?

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:21.000 Do you think that the legacy media don't report on stories because they, too, have a shared interest in outcomes that are favorable to the interests I've just listed?

00:10:29.000 Well, there's your conspiracy.

00:10:29.000 Yeah?

00:10:31.000 It's not really that fanciful at all, is it?

00:10:33.000 It could be that Maxwell and intelligence had been blackmailing Epstein, or it could have been that the relationship between Epstein, the Maxwells, and intelligence agencies was one of neutral convenience.

00:10:42.000 Jesse Kornbluth, A former friend of Epstein's said in 2019 that Epstein had told him in 1986 that he didn't just manage money for clients with mega fortunes, he was also a high-level bounty hunter.

00:10:54.000 Sometimes he told me he worked for governments to recover money looted by African dictators.

00:10:59.000 Other times those dictators hired him to help them hide their stolen money.

00:11:03.000 In a sense, we begin to question when we have access to information like this.

00:11:07.000 The narratives that are presented as ordinary, right across history, it's commonly understood that during the colonial period, and even late colonial period, and even as recently as the 80s, the British got involved with former colonial territories, messing with their governments.

00:11:22.000 It's known that in the 60s all the way up to the 80s, your country, the United States of America, dabbled, interfered with elections in Latin and Central America, installed junkers, shut down elections, had favoured candidates. What

00:11:34.000 we regard as accepted reality is precisely that, just a packaged together reality

00:11:39.000 often using the kind of techniques that we're getting a glimpse of here.

00:11:42.000 The legacy media support narratives that are favourable to these

00:11:45.000 establishment interests, the rest of us don't really have the time and

00:11:48.000 until recently even the means to scrutinize them sufficiently. After Epstein's

00:11:52.000 2008 conviction he continued to traffic young women. Bloody hell,

00:11:56.000 he's just been He's not learned a thing.

00:11:58.000 And the 2008 conviction wasn't the first time Epstein got off easy.

00:12:02.000 In the early 1990s, reports Whitney Webb, she's coming up on the show soon, fantastic guest, Epstein was dropped from an investigation into one of the biggest pyramid schemes ever recorded, even though investigators had named him the mastermind.

00:12:13.000 Don't worry about this Epstein guy.

00:12:15.000 Sure, he was on the top of the pyramid, but only because he liked the feeling of sitting on it.

00:12:18.000 The Wall Street Journal also reported that Epstein's private calendar showed that he had dozens of meetings with Katherine Rumler, a former White House counsel under President Barack Obama.

00:12:27.000 These meetings, and meetings with many other wealthy, connected individuals, occurred years after Epstein became a convicted sex offender.

00:12:34.000 It's pretty extraordinary that he continued to have those kind of relationships with extremely powerful and influential individuals long after being convicted of such heinous crimes.

00:12:43.000 Plainly, he operated on a tier of society that isn't normal, with access to devices and power that's way beyond the reach of ordinary people.

00:12:51.000 That's obvious, isn't it?

00:12:52.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree.

00:12:53.000 Okay, put aside the case of Epstein, is sexual blackmail something that the CIA would typically or usually do?

00:13:00.000 Let's have a look.

00:13:00.000 The CIA has a long record of using sexual blackmail.

00:13:04.000 In 1975, the Washington Post reported that for years the CIA had operated love traps in New York City and San Francisco. 1.00

00:13:10.000 You fell into my love trap you son of a bitch! 1.00

00:13:13.000 I know and I loved it! 1.00

00:13:14.000 Where foreign diplomats were lured by prostitutes in the pay of the CIA. 0.70

00:13:19.000 The goal of this secret operation, the Post explained, was to entrap these diplomats.

00:13:23.000 Through hidden one-way mirrors, CIA agents filmed the sexual adventures and later tried to blackmail the victims into becoming informants.

00:13:30.000 The CIA also ran a sub-project of MKUltra called Operation Midnight Climax from 1955 to 1965.

00:13:38.000 MKUltra, not long ago, used to have to be discussed in hushed terms.

00:13:42.000 It itself was just regarded as a conspiracy theory.

00:13:44.000 Now, it's This is an accepted operation that we all know took place.

00:13:48.000 The problem of independent media, primarily for the establishment, is we can quickly normalise and spread information that is not harmful, toxic or dangerous, but is in fact truthful and therefore only harmful, toxic and dangerous to establishment narratives and those that hide behind them.

00:14:02.000 That's why independent media is under continual attack.

00:14:04.000 That's why new laws are being introduced to shut down the power of independent media.

00:14:08.000 And that's why significant and influential independent media figures are themselves being attacked extraordinarily in ways that they Legitimize and utilize themselves.

00:14:16.000 It's just an astonishing web of hypocrisy and madness.

00:14:20.000 This project the San Francisco Chronicle reported was a top-secret mind control program in which CIA agents used hookers to lure unsuspecting Johns from North Beach bars to what they called the pad, then dose them in with LSD and observe the x-ray goings-on for a two-way mirror while sitting on portable toilets swilling martinis. 0.83

00:14:38.000 You think that the CIA is some sort of corrupt organization? 0.97

00:14:42.000 I'm simply sitting here on a lavatory, enjoying a martini, while that diplomat, high on LSD, has lured sex with a hooker! 1.00

00:14:49.000 And you're paying for it! 1.00

00:14:50.000 Well, I don't mind paying for it, but can I get involved? 1.00

00:14:52.000 Sir, you are a pervert! 0.98

00:14:54.000 Can I get another olive in this? 0.98

00:14:55.000 In addition to his possible ties to American intelligence, Epstein may have also been connected to the Israeli Mossad.

00:15:02.000 In Epstein, Dead Men Tell No Tales, Howard and Cronin say that a friend of the Maxwells, Laura Goldman, believed that Ghislaine's father, Robert Maxwell, was a Mossad spy and that Ghislaine carried on his work.

00:15:14.000 And a former Israeli spy, Ari Ben-Menashe, said he was Robert Maxwell's handler and claimed to have introduced Epstein to Mossad.

00:15:20.000 They were agents of the Israeli intelligence services, said Ben-Menashe.

00:15:24.000 Later on, Ghislaine got involved with Israeli intelligence together with him.

00:15:27.000 I guess you just have to ask yourself what is the morality of these agencies and the

00:15:32.000 very fact as I always say that there is clandestine information that we're not allowed access

00:15:36.000 to, the very fact that someone like Julian Assange is in Belmarsh right now because he

00:15:39.000 revealed information that we weren't supposed to get access to shows you how seriously they

00:15:43.000 take that information which in itself suggests that if we had access to that information

00:15:46.000 it would destabilise massively and even further our trust in these institutions.

00:15:50.000 Of course it's not just "Hey if Putin had that information he'd destroy us."

00:15:53.000 A lot of it's like, what?

00:15:55.000 They were sitting on toilets, swilling martini, all these people are agents.

00:15:58.000 You're letting people get away with sex crimes simply because they're involved with very powerful politicians.

00:16:02.000 I don't want anything to do with this.

00:16:03.000 I want to run my own community. 0.98

00:16:05.000 I don't want any more to do with your mad, corrupt, centralized gangsterism. 0.95

00:16:08.000 That's what it is, isn't it? 0.97

00:16:09.000 It's plainly, I would say, true.

00:16:11.000 I would say this is true.

00:16:12.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

00:16:13.000 And also, the tip of the iceberg.

00:16:15.000 Whitney Webb, in her book, says Ben Menashe told her the same thing.

00:16:19.000 Israel's higher-ups approved of Epstein based on Maxwell's word.

00:16:22.000 Webb reports that Ben Menashe said one of those higher-ups was Ehud Barak, who was head of Israeli military intelligence between 1983 and 1985, the period when he met Epstein.

00:16:33.000 Barack was Prime Minister from 1999 to 2001.

00:16:36.000 Last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that Epstein's calendars showed that between 2013 and 2017, Epstein had or planned 36 meetings with Barack.

00:16:45.000 So, it is really interesting and fascinating that there's this island and all of this salaciousness and sex crime involving really powerful, famous people and movie stars and politicians.

00:16:55.000 I do believe that's a smoke screen and set dressing.

00:16:58.000 The truth behind it is that Epstein is like a visible tip of the iceberg of nets of incomparable corruption.

00:17:05.000 It's one of those threads that if you pull it will lead to some really significant and powerful figures.

00:17:09.000 It's only the fact that Bill Clinton's a few presidents ago now and receding into irrelevance that we're allowed access to that name.

00:17:16.000 What we'll be given, I predict, is we'll be given a few sort of stooges and a few sacrifices because the truth is that this behaviour, and comparable behaviour, Still goes on.

00:17:25.000 Of course it does.

00:17:26.000 Corruption still continues.

00:17:28.000 The deep state is still involved in nefarious activity.

00:17:30.000 The legacy media still deceitfully conceal information that's convenient to them.

00:17:34.000 Don't report on important information.

00:17:36.000 Create stories, furores and storms where convenient.

00:17:39.000 All of the instruments of this type of corruption are still available.

00:17:43.000 They didn't die with Jeffrey Epstein and we still don't know really, do we, how and why Jeffrey Epstein died.

00:17:49.000 Well, we do know why, just not how.

00:17:50.000 The totality of evidence suggests that Epstein may have been an intelligence asset for multiple countries.

00:17:55.000 This theory is also supported by an effective media blackout on Epstein's abuse for over a decade until Epstein's 2019 conviction.

00:18:03.000 On a hot mic, ABC News anchor Amy Roback claimed that she had the story in 2016, but the network killed it, due at least in part to pressure from the royal family.

00:18:12.000 It was unbelievable what we had, said Roback.

00:18:14.000 We had everything.

00:18:15.000 I've had the story for three years.

00:18:17.000 I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.

00:18:19.000 We would not put it on the air.

00:18:21.000 First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein?

00:18:22.000 No one knows who that is. 1.00

00:18:23.000 This is a stupid story. 1.00

00:18:25.000 It was unbelievable what we had. 1.00

00:18:26.000 Clinton.

00:18:27.000 We had everything.

00:18:28.000 I tried for three years to get it on to no avail and now it's all coming out and it's like these new revelations and I...

00:18:35.000 So it was crushed.

00:18:35.000 This information was available in 2016.

00:18:38.000 Right now, like, every day I get more and more pissed, 'cause I'm just like, oh my God, we, it was,

00:18:44.000 what we had was unreal.

00:18:46.000 So it was crushed.

00:18:47.000 This information was available in 2016.

00:18:49.000 Now remember, when people talk about the extraordinary conspiracy theories

00:18:54.000 about dominant families and powerful connections and pedophiles and extraordinary occultist type activity.

00:19:00.000 It is regarded as just outrageous and ludicrous by the majority of people.

00:19:04.000 But when a story like this breaks, you begin to get a sense that there is more to global power than meets the eye.

00:19:11.000 That there are connections and relationships and deep state operations that undergird some of the even more Baroque global conspiracy theories.

00:19:21.000 Wouldn't you agree?

00:19:21.000 That something like this, and the way that it's been repressed until now, and the way that it's been reported on quite carefully, even now, is an indication that, once again, conspiracy theorists were closer to the truth than legacy media.

00:19:32.000 Similarly, Ward, who wrote the piece for Daily Beast about Epstein's non-prosecution deal, said that Vanity Fair's legendary editor, Graydon Carter, refused to publish accounts of two victims after Epstein threatened her and met with Carter.

00:19:45.000 The US government may still be sitting on evidence.

00:19:47.000 In 2021, an FBI agent told a New York court during Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial that evidence went missing after the FBI raided Epstein's New York townhouse.

00:19:57.000 The city of New York has refused to release a copy of the paramedics report on Epstein's death.

00:20:03.000 Again, it's not that helpful that, is it?

00:20:04.000 Epstein's brother discovered it was missing from the Department of Justice's Inspector General Office's 128-page investigative report, which took four years to complete.

00:20:14.000 It's not like when you look into it that you can just sort of shrug your shoulders, exhale and say, look, the adults are back in charge.

00:20:20.000 There's nothing to see here.

00:20:22.000 All it was, was a guy that had a lot of high-profile friends, that kept getting off of extraordinary crimes with weird lenient sentences, was plainly involved in sex trafficking, paedophilia, numerous other sex crimes, was connected to some of the most powerful people in the world, then when he went to jail, sort of killed himself, and all of the footage and documentation went missing.

00:20:40.000 What?! !

00:20:40.000 Is your fascination with this story, you conspiracy theory?

00:20:44.000 Maybe the Loch Ness Monsters Reels.

00:20:46.000 I'm going to go to Loch Ness.

00:20:47.000 The attorney of Epstein's brother told a report last July that she'd been trying to get a copy of the report since 2019.

00:20:53.000 Michael Baden, who for 50 years was the pathologist for the New York State Correctional Medical Review Board, said that manual strangulation, not suicide, explains Epstein's neck fractures.

00:21:03.000 Where is the ambulance report, which would be more valuable than relying on what the two corrections officers who found Epstein said and refused to initially give any information?

00:21:11.000 Asked Baden.

00:21:12.000 The autopsy report was released to the family, but not the EMS report.

00:21:15.000 The only evidence that gives you an independent assessment of the body's condition at the time of death.

00:21:20.000 That independent assessment of the body's condition at the time of death was a surprise for your birthday and you've ruined it.

00:21:27.000 You're just like Bill Clinton.

00:21:30.000 We need an independent bipartisan commission to get to the bottom of the Epstein scandal.

00:21:34.000 We need to know what, if any, effects the blackmail may have had on influential people and world leaders.

00:21:39.000 I mean, if someone's involved in blackmailing people and then that person dies in prison and a few sort of titbits and scraps are thrown to ordinary people, you have to reckon that there is something still being concealed.

00:21:49.000 No, we did!

00:21:50.000 We did run that honey trap operation where there was all sorts of pedophilia and stuff, but we're not like that anymore.

00:21:55.000 Come on guys, let's have the truth.

00:21:57.000 You can't handle the truth!

00:21:59.000 We can handle it.

00:21:59.000 What specific interest was served by this blackmail operation?

00:22:02.000 Why was Epstein seemingly connected to many academics?

00:22:05.000 Why did many individuals continue interacting with Epstein after his conviction?

00:22:09.000 Where did Epstein's money actually come from?

00:22:11.000 And of course, did Epstein really die in his jail cell by suicide?

00:22:16.000 Yes, interesting questions there.

00:22:18.000 Only the last one is easy to answer.

00:22:19.000 The US has a mixed record of bipartisan investigations.

00:22:22.000 We learned a lot from the 9-11 Commission report, but last year FBI agents came forward to accuse the CIA of a cover-up.

00:22:28.000 They don't even trust each other!

00:22:30.000 And the greatest congressional investigation into the intelligence community, the Church Committee hearings of 1975, revealed that the CIA and other intelligence agencies were paying journalists to work at mainstream news media outlets and spurred the revelations about MKUltra.

00:22:44.000 But when representative Jim Jordan wanted to investigate abuses of power by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, including demanding mass censorship of disfavored views, Democrats said the effort would be hyper-partisan, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:22:57.000 How can the legacy media and their representatives in the state speak with such piety about independent media and misinformation?

00:23:04.000 You can't trust independent media, all these crackpots and conspiracy theorists.

00:23:07.000 It's just Demonstrably true that the CIA have been paying mainstream news media outlets and placing operatives within them for half a century, over half a century.

00:23:16.000 Remember at the beginning of the pandemic, before the Twitter files are broken and people saying, hey I don't trust this, this information feels like it's being controlled, feels like we're being manipulated. 0.99

00:23:23.000 You idiots, you conspiracy theorists, that's malinformation. 0.99

00:23:26.000 Ban that person, shut down that account, shadow ban that person, discredit that person. 1.00

00:23:30.000 It's long understood, demonstrated, evidence, provable that that's exactly how they operate. 0.88

00:23:35.000 Where do they Get the chutzpah to sort of claim that it's ridiculous that it's us that are the weirdos and the crackpots and the whackjobs, when it's plain as day that this is ordinary conduct for them.

00:23:45.000 The pandemic was just concentrated.

00:23:47.000 We got to see it in real time because of technology, because of the miracle of communications.

00:23:52.000 But the practices that took place in the pandemic were commonplace and long preceded it.

00:23:56.000 The pandemic was just a window into the relationship between legacy media, deep state, powerful corporations, and the ordinary government.

00:24:03.000 These kind of relationships have long existed in the pandemic period,

00:24:06.000 because it was all happening so quickly and so crazily and so clumsily,

00:24:09.000 we got to sort of see it in real time.

00:24:10.000 And because of the endeavor of brilliant scientists and brilliant journalists,

00:24:14.000 people were able to aggregate the information carefully and correctly.

00:24:18.000 And that's why the category of misinformation That's why new censorship laws are being introduced That's why dissenting voices are being shut down because essentially there's a race now to see which way is this gonna go because we're reaching the point Do you really think the division in your country is between like for example, I'm British So it's like oh some people like Keir Starmer from the Labour Party and some people like

00:24:37.000 Rishi Sunak from the Conservative Party.

00:24:39.000 No, what it is, is there's some people that would tolerate either of them.

00:24:42.000 And then there's this massive growing constituency that thinks, I don't trust any of them.

00:24:46.000 I don't trust the media.

00:24:47.000 I don't trust the state.

00:24:48.000 I don't trust the judiciary.

00:24:49.000 Same in your country.

00:24:50.000 Is it like, oh, there's the Republicans versus the Democrats?

00:24:53.000 Of course there are culture wars.

00:24:54.000 But the biggest constituency of all is those of us that don't trust the establishment at all.

00:24:58.000 And we're right to, because it's evident that the deep state, not political parties, but structures that undergird them, have been controlling many aspects of public life for nearly a century now.

00:25:08.000 By contrast, the Epstein scandal is bipartisan.

00:25:11.000 Republicans and Democrats have all been implicated.

00:25:14.000 The most serious investigations have been by independent activists and journalists. 0.95

00:25:17.000 This is another one of those stories where people, I bet, at some point go, oh, all these conspiracy theorists, they're crazy.

00:25:21.000 Look, the legacy media are talking about Epstein.

00:25:24.000 They're only talking about a certain aspect of this case, and only because independent media have popularised it and made it inevitable and necessary.

00:25:31.000 And even people in independent media.

00:25:33.000 We only know this stuff because 10, 20 years ago, people that are now regarded as total crackpots were talking about, oh, there are paedophile rings, powerful people are involved, they're using deep state agencies to blackmail powerful figures by getting them in compromising positions.

00:25:45.000 That stuff, like when I was reading it when I was a teenager, that was like, You just didn't say stuff like that.

00:25:50.000 If you was to ever say then, Stephen Hawking will have been to that paedophile island, you'd have been regarded as an absolute lunatic for a number of extremely plausible reasons.

00:25:59.000 But now, it seems that there's a lot more to this than the salacious, exciting, ooh, famous stars went there, aspect of this story.

00:26:05.000 It, as always, is a story about power and how power is maintained and how stories are maintained and how you and I are denied access to the truth so that we can't organise correctly and remain in the thrall of corrupted power systems.

00:26:18.000 Don't you think?

00:26:18.000 There are valid debates over how much secrecy, surveillance and treachery we want to allow our intelligence agencies.

00:26:24.000 We've got to let them have a little treachery and a little secrecy to take all the fun out of this.

00:26:29.000 But it's clear we are overdue for a major house cleaning.

00:26:32.000 Nearly 50 years have passed since the Church Committee hearings, but thousands of pages of court documents, testimonials, books and articles are a testament that the Epstein case is more than a conspiracy theory as many in the news media continue to claim.

00:26:44.000 Instead it suggests that intelligence agencies may have used taxpayer money in ways that harmed young women and allowed for the control of powerful individuals to unknown ends.

00:26:52.000 All the evidence, including yesterday's court filings, shouldn't just be fodder for conspiracy theorists, it should be fodder for a major independent congressional investigation.

00:27:00.000 This is yet another story that shows you what the function of the legacy media is.

00:27:04.000 It is to amplify the narrative of the powerful and shut down and destroy counter narratives.

00:27:09.000 It's a revelation that the deep state, of course, operate in conjunction with powerful individuals, sometimes in ways that seem beyond plausible, involving sex and crime and drugs and all sorts of extraordinary things.

00:27:21.000 But beyond the salaciousness, Beyond our own prurient interest in the activities of famous people, we should be looking at how power is functioning, how the legacy media don't report on it, the relationship between the deep state and the legacy media, and how the Jeffrey Epstein case is a glimpse into how real power functions.

00:27:38.000 Do not let the legacy media distract you in 2024.

00:27:41.000 This is an election year.

00:27:42.000 This is a year when it's possible to make a change.

00:27:44.000 Not by voting for this party or that party, but by observing how power operates during this window.

00:27:49.000 By observing that whatever you're not allowed to discuss, whatever you're not allowed to vote for, is where the real interest and where the real power lies.

00:27:56.000 That's something we're going to have to investigate and delve into together.

00:28:00.000 But that's just what I think, more important than any of that.

00:28:02.000 If you can, please stay free.

00:28:06.000 There's the dude.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 10, 2024

Here’s the News: Epstein’s List - What They Aren’t Telling You...

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