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This is an important moment in American political history: Donald Trump has been taken off the ballot, and it reveals fissures within American political and cultural life that are splitting in ways that we may not have predicted were it not for our awareness of the changing shape of the public sphere. What do establishment forces that don t want to face Donald Trump in the 2024 election represent? And what do they represent? In this episode, Russell Brand and Martin Luther King Jr. discuss the January 6th attack on the Capitol as an act of "insurgent" and how to deal with the current state of American politics and culture in the wake of this momentous Supreme Court ruling that disqualifies Donald Trump from standing for re-election in the 2020 election. And what does that mean for the future of the country and the possibility of a Trump presidency in the future? And how can we deal with it? And why is it so important to have a president who is not a part of the establishment? And who is an outsider? and why does that matter? And is it possible to elect a president without Donald Trump? And does it really matter who wins in the next election? and who s going to be the next president? And is that even possible at all? Join us in this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand: A Journey to Truth and Freedom? Stay Free with Russell Brand. To learn more about Russell Brand, check out our new podcast, Stay Free! Subscribe to Stay Free: A Podcast, wherever you get your favourite podcast delivered, every single day, to learn about the things that matter most to you and what matters to you. Stay Free, and elevate your consciousness and freedom in the 21st century. Stay free! - Russell Brand - Stay free, and learn how to be free, not just in the real world, but in real life. - . . . and . to elevate our consciousness together, and so we can all be free and free in the world in every episode of the show that matters. and more. , to elevate and elevate consciousness, everywhere ! stay free, thank you, and more free, everywhere else. by , by Gabor Maté, by Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, and many more. . by R.R.K Jr., Gabor M. Maté

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00:00:51.000 Hello there you Awakening Wonders, thanks for joining us on our voyage to truth and freedom. 0.99

00:00:55.000 Oh, thank you.

00:00:55.000 This is an important moment in American political history.

00:00:59.000 Trump has been taken off the ballot and it reveals fissures in American political and cultural life that are splitting in ways that we may not have predicted were it not for our awareness of the changing shape of the public sphere.

00:01:10.000 Put simply, there are members of the Republican party that support this decision, members of the Democrat party that support this decision, and along media lines it's as you might imagine as well.

00:01:19.000 The legacy media is in broad support of the decision, whereas independent media are more circumspect and challenging inquiring as to where a decision of this nature might lead and the legitimacy of the decision.

00:01:30.000 In short, You can no longer analyse American public life along the lines of Republican Party, Democrat Party or even Left and Right.

00:01:37.000 What you have now is centralised authority and peripheral figures, some of whom you may love, some of whom you may doubt.

00:01:43.000 But it's these peripheral figures that have come out in support of Trump or at least against the decision to take him off the ballot.

00:01:50.000 Let's look at the legitimacy of this decision and where it might take America. 1.00

00:01:54.000 Is it inevitable now that America Is it possible to sustain one nation where every single election you have to say, well, I hate the other 50% of the country, the other 49% of the country, they're idiots. 1.00

00:02:06.000 Oh, this election was stolen. 1.00

00:02:08.000 Where's America heading now?

00:02:09.000 What is being resisted?

00:02:11.000 What is the ulterior energy that's being repressed and ignored?

00:02:14.000 Put simply, whether you like Trump or not, what does he represent?

00:02:18.000 And what do these establishment forces that don't want to face Donald Trump in 2024 represent as well?

00:02:23.000 Let's get into it.

00:02:25.000 Good evening, everyone.

00:02:26.000 Welcome to The Readout.

00:02:26.000 Good evening, everyone.

00:02:27.000 I do the news in a leather jacket now.

00:02:30.000 Well, look at my jacket.

00:02:31.000 And we begin tonight with major breaking news.

00:02:34.000 A bombshell ruling from the Colorado Supreme Court in just the last hour states that Donald Trump is disqualified from holding the office of president.

00:02:45.000 And from appearing on the Republican primary ballot in that state.

00:02:49.000 In a more than 200-page ruling, the court found that Trump is ineligible for the White House under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S.

00:02:57.000 Constitution.

00:02:58.000 The court found that the district court was correct in its early ruling calling the January 6th attack on the Capitol an insurrection.

00:03:06.000 It's interesting, isn't it, how language becomes so powerful and important?

00:03:11.000 Like, if a protest becomes an insurrection, which is still the same event, innit?

00:03:15.000 Like, the same thing that happened.

00:03:16.000 There's loads of footage of it.

00:03:17.000 Right, that's what it is.

00:03:18.000 What do you call it?

00:03:19.000 I don't know.

00:03:19.000 A protest?

00:03:20.000 A tour?

00:03:21.000 A weird thing with that buffalo shaman guy?

00:03:23.000 Well, we're calling it an insurrection.

00:03:25.000 Then you don't have to have Donald Trump as your opponent in the 2024 election, you don't have to address the mass malaise across America, the failure of establishment politics, the corruption of the military-industrial complex and big pharma that plainly have more influence to exert on the political processes than ordinary Americans, the failing of American cultural life more generally.

00:03:25.000 Why's that?

00:03:45.000 What, all you have to do is say that was an insurrection?

00:03:47.000 Yep.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, God, that's much easier.

00:03:48.000 Do that.

00:03:49.000 Was it an insurrection?

00:03:50.000 What, then people wondering about?

00:03:52.000 I'm not saying I support it or that it was a good thing.

00:03:54.000 Furthermore, what goes on in those buildings?

00:03:56.000 Isn't it a bigger problem that people in Congress own stocks and shares in companies that they're supposed to regulate?

00:04:00.000 The donor class can influence and control both political parties?

00:04:04.000 That lobbying is still a thing?

00:04:06.000 These are much bigger questions, I would say, to the sanctity of democracy than what those people would do.

00:04:11.000 Whatever those people were doing that day, it wasn't going to lead to Right, this guy now has hit a minister for defence.

00:04:16.000 As Martin Goury pointed out, there has never been an unarmed insurrection in history anywhere.

00:04:21.000 You can't overthrow America just by putting on a buffalo hat and some make-up. 0.92

00:04:26.000 They've got nuclear weapons!

00:04:28.000 And that Trump, quote, engaged in that insurrection through his personal actions.

00:04:33.000 This frankly stunning and unprecedented decision could have major implications in the 2024 race, in which Trump is currently the Republican frontrunner.

00:04:44.000 The decision will likely be appealed to the U.S.

00:04:46.000 Supreme Court, which could decide the matter on a national level.

00:04:50.000 And now for some unbiased input.

00:04:51.000 Raise your bat out.

00:04:52.000 This is not a crazy thing for a democracy to do.

00:04:54.000 This is something that was a hallmark of post-war Germany after World War II.

00:04:59.000 This is something that happened at Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil quite recently.

00:05:03.000 This is something that our own Congress did in 1868 after our own civil war.

00:05:08.000 It's interesting that the civil war is being brought up.

00:05:10.000 Surely that was a really different time in your country where there was literal armed conflict between two halves of the nation.

00:05:19.000 It's interesting what's being evoked right now.

00:05:21.000 Dictatorship and war.

00:05:22.000 The legacy media are evoking it.

00:05:24.000 We're considering it.

00:05:25.000 What is the energy that's underneath it?

00:05:27.000 What are the forces that are being harnessed here?

00:05:29.000 That can't be the same.

00:05:32.000 from holding office in this country who had engaged in insurrection against this

00:05:36.000 country. That can't be the same. You can't say that January 6th was an insurrection and

00:05:39.000 it was a bit like the Civil War. It's not unheard of but it would 1.00

00:05:45.000 be an incredible wild card.

00:05:46.000 Let's see how Donald Trump at Christmas responds.

00:05:49.000 It's Christmas, Trump. 0.88

00:05:50.000 It's no wonder crooked Joe Biden and the far-left lunatics are desperate to stop us by any means necessary. 0.95

00:05:56.000 They are willing to violate the U.S. 0.95

00:05:58.000 constitutions at levels never seen before in order to win this election.

00:06:02.000 In a way, you have both sides now using incendiary and extreme language, saying that this is unprecedented, that it's unconstitutional.

00:06:10.000 And for me, it's difficult to imagine how America could ever be healed in a 50-50 electoral ballot in 2024.

00:06:18.000 We're generally speaking people don't have a great deal of faith in Joe Biden where he's widely regarded to be sort of a career politician that's potentially engaged in corrupt activity with members of his family that has dubious positions on a variety of subjects has broken numerous promises and Donald Trump who some people adore and see as a Joe Biden is a threat to democracy.

00:06:34.000 think is the worst thing to happen in American political life ever, how is either of these

00:06:37.000 trajectories going to be a solution? Isn't it likely that this is going to lead to further

00:06:42.000 conflagration rather than a healing? If this happens in other states, if Trump doesn't run,

00:06:47.000 what's going to happen to the United States of America? Do you think anyone in a position of

00:06:50.000 power has sort of mapped out what this is going to look like? Or are they sort of happy to embrace

00:06:56.000 the idea of chaos? Let me know in the chat what you think.

00:06:58.000 Joe Biden is a threat to democracy.

00:07:00.000 It's a threat. Donald Trump Christmas tree has himself on it.

00:07:06.000 Not on the top though.

00:07:07.000 I don't like the connotations.

00:07:09.000 They're weaponizing law enforcement for high-level election interference because we're beating them so badly in the polls.

00:07:16.000 This is where new divisions are occurring that don't fall within typical party lines.

00:07:21.000 You know we're always cynical on this channel when you see a bipartisan A partisan bill was passed the other day to allow Congress people to own stocks and shares in companies that they're supposed to be regulating, or a new bill so there's war everywhere all the time!

00:07:34.000 I always sort of think that, oh look at that, you knew, we're all coming together in the sweet name of violence.

00:07:39.000 Well what we're seeing now Is opposition to this measure from RFK.

00:07:43.000 Here's a tweet from him.

00:07:44.000 Every American should be troubled by the Colorado Supreme Court decision to remove President Trump from the ballot.

00:07:49.000 And of course, he was formerly a Democrat now running as an independent.

00:07:52.000 But broadly speaking, he's an establishment political figure.

00:07:55.000 And another anti-establishment political figure, this time from the what we would once have called the right, is Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:08:00.000 But similarly, he uses a lot of anti-establishment rhetoric.

00:08:03.000 He's a person who's well attuned with independent media.

00:08:05.000 He's learned what worked for Donald Trump.

00:08:07.000 He knows what people dislike in American public life.

00:08:10.000 He's realized that there's a constitution now that will never trust the establishment again.

00:08:13.000 It almost doesn't matter.

00:08:15.000 What they do.

00:08:15.000 Don't you think now that there's nothing Donald Trump could say that would make people that like Rachel Maddow show go, do you know what?

00:08:21.000 I quite like that guy.

00:08:21.000 And the reverse is true as well.

00:08:23.000 There's nothing that Rachel Maddow or the sort of legacy media establishment could say that would make you go, nah, I've got off Donald Trump.

00:08:28.000 Like, it's just now like, I don't trust you.

00:08:30.000 Neither side trusts each other anymore.

00:08:32.000 Therefore, what is America?

00:08:34.000 Whose mind, whose heart does it exist in?

00:08:37.000 That's why it's interesting there's that new Civil War movie and people are starting to think about Civil War as a kind of possibility.

00:08:42.000 They have just tried to bar President Trump from the Colorado ballot using an unconstitutional maneuver that is a bastardization of the 14th Amendment to our U.S.

00:08:51.000 Constitution.

00:08:52.000 This was a provision, Section 3, that was designed to bar Confederate members, people who switched to the Confederacy, from actually being able to serve.

00:09:00.000 That's very different than what's at issue here, to say the least.

00:09:04.000 This is a hollowed-out husk of what the country was built on.

00:09:08.000 It's interesting to watch the strategy, isn't it?

00:09:12.000 Like, Rachel Maddow and the Legacy Media have a strategy.

00:09:15.000 They fall on this because they like it.

00:09:17.000 An anti-Trump thing's happened.

00:09:17.000 Like, ah, good!

00:09:19.000 Let's build it up, let's bolster it, let's legitimise it, let's amplify it, let's make it seem Legitimate and correct.

00:09:25.000 And then there's figures like Vivek Ramaswamy, who I believe is a positive force in American political life.

00:09:31.000 He's connected to audiences that have previously been ignored.

00:09:33.000 He speaks an important language, but he's using this strategically.

00:09:36.000 He has to make a choice.

00:09:37.000 Where do I go on Trump?

00:09:38.000 And I think Vivek Ramaswamy, more than anyone else in the primaries for the Republican Party, has understood how do you manage The establishment want Nikki Haley.

00:09:47.000 Presumably Nikki Haley's gonna go, Well, you can't have Donald Trump. 1.00

00:09:49.000 I've told you before I don't like Donald Trump.

00:09:50.000 the person that's most associated with Trump is probably going to win.

00:09:53.000 The establishment want Nikki Haley. 0.99

00:09:55.000 Presumably Nikki Haley is going to go, well, you can't have Donald Trump. 1.00

00:09:57.000 I've told you before I don't like Donald Trump.

00:09:59.000 He did great things as president, but mm-mm.

00:10:01.000 I'm with the Koch brothers and JP Morgan and all of that now.

00:10:05.000 That's Nikki Haley's position. 0.99

00:10:06.000 So now American political life is not left-right or Democrat-Republican, it's establishment-anti-establishment.

00:10:13.000 That's why we exist in this space, because we are anti-establishment also, because we've worked out during the pandemic period, because of the forever wars and the forever crises, the omni-crisis as we call it here, that the establishment is a bigger threat than than any peripheral group.

00:10:28.000 Now, some people will disagree with that position, but because I, broadly speaking, espouse decentralization,

00:10:34.000 that you should have as much sovereignty, sovereignty of the individual,

00:10:37.000 sovereignty of the community, sovereignty over your food rights,

00:10:39.000 sovereignty over your media, because that's my general position,

00:10:42.000 because I believe in things like free speech, because I believe in your right to be different than me,

00:10:45.000 we have to make that choice.

00:10:47.000 This is the path we have to walk.

00:10:48.000 Let me know in the chat if you agree.

00:10:50.000 Not the unelected elite class in the back of palace halls.

00:10:54.000 That's old world Europe, not the United States. 0.53

00:10:57.000 Nothing wrong with old world Europe. 0.88

00:10:58.000 That's why I'm making a pledge today that I will withdraw, I pledge to withdraw from the Colorado GOP primary ballot unless and until Trump's name is restored.

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00:12:51.000 Well, here they come.

00:12:52.000 And I demand that Ron DeSantis and Chris Christie and Nikki Haley do the same thing.

00:12:57.000 Good move, isn't it?

00:12:57.000 Because now Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley and all those guys, they've got to make a choice.

00:13:01.000 They've got to decide whether or not, oh, do we support Trump or do we stay on the ballot?

00:13:04.000 Of course, we know that this will go to the Supreme Court and we'll unpack the legislature of this as best we can in a minute.

00:13:11.000 But culturally and politically, what we're seeing now is some good game playing by Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:13:16.000 He knows where his audience is.

00:13:17.000 He knows which way the wind is blowing.

00:13:19.000 We're seeing the legacy and establishment left.

00:13:20.000 maneuvering against Trump, as you would anticipate, where will all of this lead us?

00:13:25.000 And more importantly, where will it lead America?

00:13:27.000 And then you have to ask questions about the concept of a nation itself.

00:13:31.000 Who benefits from having 300 million people under one rule in the basic hierarchical structure

00:13:36.000 that's exploitative to everyone in a variety of ways, except for those at the very top strata?

00:13:40.000 Or else these Republicans are simply complicit in this unconstitutional attack

00:13:46.000 on the way we conduct our constitutional republic.

00:13:49.000 The Colorado Supreme Court made history Tuesday with an unprecedented ruling

00:13:53.000 that former President Donald Trump is constitutionally ineligible to run in 2024

00:13:57.000 because the 14th Amendment's ban on insurrectionists holding public office

00:14:00.000 covers his conduct on January 6th, 2021.

00:14:04.000 It's sophistry, that.

00:14:05.000 And they've gone, you can't have insurrectionists hold office.

00:14:08.000 And so January the 6th, that was an insurrection.

00:14:11.000 And he led that insurrection.

00:14:13.000 So he's an insurrectionist.

00:14:15.000 That's at best.

00:14:16.000 Slight of hand, isn't it?

00:14:17.000 He wasn't like, yeah, let's go.

00:14:19.000 That wasn't what happened that day.

00:14:20.000 It's weird, isn't it?

00:14:21.000 It's an odd space where you can't really trust that line at all.

00:14:25.000 The judges that voted in favor of the ruling had been appointed by Democratic governors.

00:14:30.000 Oh, well, there you go.

00:14:31.000 Starting to make sense.

00:14:32.000 It's the first time in history the Constitution's insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate.

00:14:38.000 Don't you get the sense that they just scramble around for some way to scupper Donald Trump in the same way that Julian Assange Espionage?

00:14:46.000 Can we call that espionage?

00:14:48.000 That you revealed all of those war crimes?

00:14:49.000 Yeah, that is espionage to do that.

00:14:51.000 You espionage stuff so hard there.

00:14:54.000 Espionage!

00:14:54.000 And Snowden?

00:14:55.000 They invent stuff, don't they, to retain power.

00:14:58.000 There's no legitimacy to their government, so how can you use things like moral legitimacy or regulatory or constitutional legitimacy as a weapon when most people now just don't trust it?

00:15:08.000 It was really interesting seeing Barack Obama's speech at Stanford.

00:15:11.000 Him say, oh, it's the waters are muddied.

00:15:12.000 You just have to flood a country's public square.

00:15:17.000 No one knows what to believe anymore, but we do know what not to believe, and it's essentially the establishment.

00:15:22.000 But the text of the 14th Amendment doesn't actually define an insurrection or spell out what it means to engage in insurrection.

00:15:28.000 Even in the old days, there was room for interpretation, like the hate speech laws in Ireland.

00:15:33.000 What do you mean by hate, though?

00:15:34.000 We're not telling you that, because then we wouldn't be able to use it against you at some point.

00:15:37.000 The hate's complicated.

00:15:39.000 It's not clear what insurrection is.

00:15:39.000 We don't want to get into it.

00:15:41.000 It isn't clear what engagement is.

00:15:42.000 So we're in a legal quagmire that will presumably go to the Supreme Court.

00:15:46.000 Interesting.

00:15:47.000 How will that go?

00:15:47.000 And Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says oath-breaking insurrectionists can't serve as senators, representatives, presidential electors, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States or under any state.

00:15:59.000 But it doesn't mention the presidency.

00:16:01.000 So we don't know what they mean by engaging, we don't know what they mean by insurrection, we don't know if January 6th was an insurrection and it doesn't actually explicitly say presidency in the piece of legislation or constitution or language that they're using.

00:16:13.000 So it's not very clear cut.

00:16:15.000 Seems like one of the factors is we don't like Donald Trump and we don't want to have him in an election.

00:16:20.000 What can we use this week to stop that happening?

00:16:23.000 Stuff from the Civil War?

00:16:24.000 That's your stuff from the Civil War!

00:16:27.000 The 4-3 decision removes Trump from the Republican primary ballot in Colorado, which is scheduled for Super Tuesday in early March.

00:16:34.000 Super Tuesday, everyone!

00:16:34.000 Woo!

00:16:35.000 Not gonna be that super, you've took out the main quarterback.

00:16:38.000 Is that how you talk?

00:16:38.000 Is that what you do?

00:16:40.000 The dissents from the sharply divided 4-3 court offer some legal foundations for Trump to overturn the historic ruling when he inevitably appeals to the US Supreme Court.

00:16:48.000 One justice concluded that a candidate shouldn't be disqualified under the 14th Amendment if they haven't been convicted of insurrection, which is a federal crime.

00:16:57.000 Trump is facing other felony charges, but not insurrection, in his federal election subversion case.

00:17:02.000 Another justice raised due process concerns and said only Congress has the power to enforce the ban.

00:17:08.000 This is falling apart, isn't it?

00:17:09.000 So he hasn't been convicted with insurrection.

00:17:12.000 He hasn't been charged with insurrection.

00:17:14.000 We don't know that January 6th was an insurrection or that he caused an insurrection.

00:17:18.000 We don't know what an insurrection means in the piece of legislation that they're using or whether it applies to people that are running for the presidency.

00:17:24.000 It's an open and shut case!

00:17:25.000 You can't handle the truth!

00:17:27.000 Haven't heard any!

00:17:28.000 Three of the seven justices on the Colorado Supreme Court dissented, arguing the former president didn't have a fair trial.

00:17:33.000 Carlos Sama warned of chaos in the aftermath of the ruling.

00:17:37.000 The decision to bar former President Donald J. Trump by all accounts the current leading Republican presidential candidate and reportedly the current leading overall presidential candidate from Colorado's presidential primary ballot flies in the face of the due process doctrine Samuel wrote in his dissent.

00:17:52.000 Legal scholar Jonathan Turley slammed the Colorado Supreme Court for its ruling saying this court just handed partisans on both sides the ultimate tool to try to shortcut elections and it's very very dangerous. 0.99

00:18:02.000 Oh bloody hell you idiots you're making it worse and worse for everyone. 1.00

00:18:06.000 Stop it. 1.00

00:18:07.000 Stop making it so bad.

00:18:08.000 Start addressing the actual problem.

00:18:09.000 The quality of life.

00:18:10.000 The lack of infrastructure.

00:18:12.000 The despair that people are feeling.

00:18:13.000 These unnecessary wars.

00:18:15.000 Subsidiaries for powerful interests.

00:18:17.000 Accepting donations.

00:18:18.000 Congress people owning stocks and shares.

00:18:20.000 All of that.

00:18:20.000 It's so obvious that that's the problem.

00:18:22.000 Instead of like, right, get the constitution!

00:18:24.000 Ah!

00:18:24.000 We could say it was an insurrection!

00:18:26.000 Or that he had an erection. 0.99

00:18:27.000 That rhymes with insurrection! 0.98

00:18:28.000 It'll do!

00:18:29.000 Turley, a professor of law, added, Like, that's someone that's, I suppose, interested in democracy and process and procedure and where did all those people go?

00:18:36.000 of it not good. In my view it was not an insurrection, it was a riot he said. Like that's someone

00:18:41.000 that's I suppose interested in democracy and process and procedure and where did all those

00:18:45.000 people go? Where did all the sort of normal people go?

00:18:49.000 When did it go into this weird metastasized version of democracy or constitutional republic or whatever you guys want to call it.

00:18:55.000 Like when did it turn into this weird mad game where no one's like sort of boringly talking about procedure.

00:19:02.000 No, no, that's not an insurrection.

00:19:03.000 That was at worst a riot.

00:19:05.000 Those voices seem to have disappeared.

00:19:07.000 Like people are too mad and amplified.

00:19:09.000 It really is oddly apocalyptic.

00:19:11.000 And this kind of escalation of tension is likely to have a negative outcome.

00:19:15.000 It's not only positive, is it?

00:19:16.000 He said, while he understands those in violation of the law that day should face consequences, the ruling against Trump goes a step too far.

00:19:23.000 That doesn't mean that the people responsible for that day shouldn't be held accountable, but to call this an insurrection for the purposes of disqualification would create a slippery slope for every state in the union.

00:19:33.000 In a sense, you should be able to, as I've said before, take the nouns out and still have the same impression.

00:19:39.000 This Riot was as a result of this issue, this many people were hurt, this much damage was done and then later you can say January the 6th or this social issue and you would have the same view.

00:19:50.000 That's principles and that's legislation.

00:19:52.000 When everything is interpretive and the mobilisation and weaponisation of the law because of the sort of vendetta, then And it creates the kind of trust that Barack Obama's saying is only caused by independent media.

00:20:03.000 That's what they'll say, because of Trump's mad vocal supporters, people will doubt this legitimate piece of legislature.

00:20:09.000 But even me, looking at this, I don't have a dog in the fight.

00:20:12.000 I'm not in America.

00:20:13.000 I don't vote in American elections.

00:20:14.000 I can see that what the intention is, it's plain that this is an attempt to find a way to hobble Trump.

00:20:21.000 Turley concluded by saying that this gets in the way of free and fair elections just ahead of the start of primary season.

00:20:26.000 This is a time when we actually need democracy.

00:20:28.000 We need to allow the voters to vote.

00:20:30.000 We need to hear their decision.

00:20:31.000 And the court here just said, you're not going to get that in Colorado.

00:20:34.000 We're not going to let you vote for Donald Trump.

00:20:36.000 Now, one of the main narratives that's emerged in the last few months is Trump is a dictator.

00:20:41.000 Trump will exile and maybe even execute his opponents. 0.83

00:20:45.000 Trump is like Mao. 0.99

00:20:46.000 Trump is like Mussolini.

00:20:47.000 This is a false equivalency and also, I believe, a distraction from the type of dictatorship that seems to me more likely now.

00:20:54.000 A kind of bureaucratic, Reasoned, rational, manipulative.

00:20:59.000 We found a law back in the old days that we can mobilise here.

00:21:02.000 What if we call January 6th an insurrection instead of a riot?

00:21:05.000 What if we say that Trump's been convicted of insurrection?

00:21:08.000 What if we say this law can be applied to the presidency?

00:21:11.000 All of that is a new form of tyranny, using bureaucracy, a kind of technological bureaucratic dictatorship, the same kind as we have over here in Europe, where Thierry Breton, a bureaucrat, We've got to take down Musk.

00:21:23.000 We've got to take down X. And they just sort of like an insidious fog creep in and suffocate dissenting voices.

00:21:30.000 You don't have to agree with Trump.

00:21:31.000 You don't have to like Elon Musk.

00:21:34.000 You just have to recognize now that there are not that many powerful anti-establishment voices.

00:21:39.000 And if when you look at these anti-establishment voices, you go, I don't like that one.

00:21:42.000 I don't like that one.

00:21:42.000 This one doesn't agree with me entirely.

00:21:44.000 What will be left in the end is nobody.

00:21:46.000 And what you'll have is the establishment.

00:21:48.000 That's the way it's going now. 0.93

00:21:49.000 So unless you start going, well these people might be, you know, fundamentalist Muslim and these people might be radical, progressive, gay folk or whatever it is.

00:21:56.000 Unless you start believing in actual freedom, principles, where you actually don't care.

00:21:59.000 You just say, these people should be able to run their own community.

00:22:01.000 They should have individual sovereignty.

00:22:02.000 They should have community sovereignty.

00:22:04.000 The establishment doesn't want that.

00:22:05.000 We have to oppose the establishment.

00:22:06.000 Unless those kind of ideas, as well as the ideas espoused here by Jonathan Turley, like, hold on a minute, this doesn't seem democratic, it's overreach.

00:22:12.000 Unless that kind of stuff starts reaching us again, what we're gonna get is a kind of, a bit like in Star Wars, where that machine just sort of crushes them in the sludge.

00:22:20.000 That's what's happening now. That's what we're all experiencing.

00:22:22.000 Radio! Do you copy? Shut down all the garbage machines on the detention level!

00:22:28.000 You can dislike Trump, you can believe he's responsible for January the 6th, but this isn't the way to do it.

00:22:32.000 This is hands down the most anti-democratic opinion I've seen in my life.

00:22:36.000 Wow.

00:22:36.000 What we've got to get to is the point where you go, I don't like Donald Trump, I disagree with Donald Trump on almost everything, but this is mental.

00:22:42.000 Until we get to that point, you've got to have a war. 0.65

00:22:44.000 And I reckon the reason we're at this point, really, is because we all recognise that politics has been corrupted by corporate globalism, and it's a sham, and so people are just reaching for stuff that has emotional power.

00:22:55.000 And Donald Trump has emotional power.

00:22:56.000 Whether that's the emotional power of, I love this guy, he's funny, he's outspoken, or, I hate this guy, he's a misogynist, I hate... Like, he's emotionally charging people, because that's all that's left.

00:23:05.000 Because we know it's a uni-party dictatorship already.

00:23:08.000 But will it lead to war?

00:23:10.000 More than two-fifths of Americans believe civil war is at least somewhat likely in the next 10 years, according to a 2022 survey, a figure that increases to more than half among self-identified strong Republicans.

00:23:21.000 They're the ones that are up for it.

00:23:22.000 I'd like a war! 0.94

00:23:23.000 Participants were asked, looking ahead to the next 10 years, how likely is it, do you think, that there'll be a civil war in this country?

00:23:30.000 Among all US citizens, 43% said civil war was at least somewhat likely.

00:23:35.000 Among strong Democrats and Independents, that figure was 40%, but among strong Republicans, 54% said civil war was at least somewhat likely.

00:23:43.000 What I feel that is happening, because of the unconscious activity that's happening in media and politics right now, is they're inadvertently providing a charge that could lead from the kind of dystopic malaise that most people live within, glumly, just like, oh god, I'll watch the telly, I'll eat some sugar, I'll drink some booze, I'll do some drugs, into a kind of Oh well, it's on!

00:24:02.000 That's the risk I think that's currently being toyed with.

00:24:04.000 Surveys show Americans find it increasingly important to live around people who share their political values.

00:24:09.000 Animosity towards those in the opposing party is higher than at any time in living memory.

00:24:15.000 42% of registered voters believe Americans in the other party are downright evil.

00:24:19.000 We've created a state and a situation where through media irresponsibility, I would suggest, and I would say legacy media rather than independent media, you've created two utterly polarised camps.

00:24:29.000 This is always a problem that's laying at the feet of independent media and social media more broadly.

00:24:34.000 Look at how ordinary TV shows now, like old school things that have been going on since the 1960s, will propagandise for the establishment, will condemn 50% of the population. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Those MAGA idiots. 1.00

00:24:45.000 This was a silly move to present someone that was popular, that touched the nerve, that has massive support, as a lunatic and an extremist. 1.00

00:24:51.000 It was a risk. 0.87

00:24:52.000 And it was a risk that was undertaken deliberately because I think establishment politicians of both sides knew they couldn't compete with someone that could reach people, that could reach into the anger and the dissatisfaction and go, hey, do you want things to change?

00:25:03.000 Do you want me to drain the swamp?

00:25:04.000 Because they can't go, well, we'll drain the swamp as well.

00:25:06.000 We'll drain it. 0.96

00:25:07.000 We'll stop being so corrupt.

00:25:08.000 We'll stop running foundations that take money.

00:25:10.000 We'll stop taking half a million dollars for after-dinner speakers.

00:25:13.000 We'll stop leaving presidential offices and doing loads of movies and prestigious projects and acting like we're better than you the whole time and having super fancy parties and claiming that we care about social justice.

00:25:22.000 They lost the moral high ground but they wanted to retain it and the only way to do that was to demonize, repress and claim that half the population were Essentially subhuman.

00:25:32.000 And then to point out when there was populist rhetoric on the other side, ah, that sounds a bit Nazi.

00:25:36.000 Well, that's a two way street.

00:25:38.000 I think that if you create the conditions for this kind of oppositionism, you have to ultimately pay a price and they'll never pay that price because they can't change because they are co-opted and owned by interests that are beyond anything that they might claim to believe in.

00:25:50.000 They are corporate globalist puppets.

00:25:52.000 We know this already.

00:25:53.000 And so they've just got to find weird rhetorical ways of claiming they're better than Trump.

00:25:57.000 How can they?

00:25:58.000 Almost 40% would be upset at the prospect of their child marrying someone from the opposite party.

00:26:03.000 Even before the 2020 election, when asked if violence would be justified if the other party won the election, 18.3% of Democrats and 13.8% of Republicans responded in the affirmative.

00:26:13.000 That's astonishing that the Democrats, thankfully, they don't have the guns.

00:26:16.000 Increasingly, each America is running under different laws.

00:26:19.000 America will still be America, but it's fast becoming two versions of America. 0.80

00:26:23.000 The open question is like the one faced by every couple that separates.

00:26:27.000 How will the two find ways to be civil toward each other?

00:26:30.000 So, whatever you think about Donald Trump being taken off the ballot in Colorado, it does seem that it's quite manipulative and that sophistry has been involved.

00:26:38.000 Like, Ah, if we say this and it was this and that was that, you know, if we claim that it was an insurrection, if we claim that he caused the insurrection, if we imagine that he's been convicted of insurrection, using these laws we can delegitimize Trump's candidacy.

00:26:50.000 That, for me, is a further doubling down on the lack of understanding that caused these conditions in the first place.

00:26:57.000 People are disillusioned with politics in the United States for reasons that are plain and obvious.

00:27:02.000 By claiming that this lightning rod of populism is in himself the problem, they're refusing

00:27:07.000 to acknowledge the causes of the conditions.

00:27:09.000 It astonishes me that this is happening.

00:27:11.000 Interestingly and intriguingly, what's now being revealed is that America is not a country

00:27:15.000 of Democrats and Republicans.

00:27:17.000 America is a country of pro-establishment and anti-establishment beliefs.

00:27:22.000 And what I believe will happen over the next few years is anti-establishment interests

00:27:26.000 start to coalesce.

00:27:27.000 People start to realise, could we unify in a decentralised independent movement against this uniparty corruption and all have more sovereignty in our own lives?

00:27:36.000 Individual sovereignty, community sovereignty, national sovereignty.

00:27:39.000 Wouldn't all of us ultimately do a deal to be left alone to live how we want to live with those we love in our own community, free from the intervention of the state and the tyranny of corporate globalism.

00:27:50.000 So that's just what I think.

00:27:50.000 Become part of our movement.

00:27:52.000 We need you.

00:27:52.000 We love you.

00:27:53.000 We believe in you and in your sovereignty and freedom.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - December 23, 2023

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