Stay Free - Russel Brand - HOLY SH*T, Tucker REVEALS He Took ZERO SHOTS?! - #171 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:00:36.000 Hi, I'm Patrick.

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00:00:42.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:48.000 Thank you so much for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:52.000 We've got so many fantastic subjects to discuss with you and a glorious guest.

00:00:57.000 We're going to talk about Trump, how he says he would end the war in 24 hours.

00:01:01.000 Off YouTube, because you might be watching us on YouTube now, you might be one of our 6.52 million Awakening Wonders that are tired of the mainstream news, that are tired of establishment power, that are tired of being lied to.

00:01:12.000 And believe we can create something new and wonderful, and for the first 15 minutes we will be with you.

00:01:18.000 But then we're gonna migrate, like a glorious miasma, like a sweet phantom, over to the home of free speech that I dare not mention.

00:01:27.000 Not because it's like Voldemort or Wicked and stuff, but case the algorithms against it.

00:01:33.000 Because guess what Tucker revealed?

00:01:35.000 He never gave himself so much as a snip-snap.

00:01:37.000 Tucker revealed he never gave himself so much as a jib-jab.

00:01:40.000 Tucker revealed, didn't he?

00:01:41.000 Allegedly.

00:01:42.000 It's not allegedly because he revealed it.

00:01:45.000 Learn what allegedly means.

00:01:46.000 I know what it means.

00:01:47.000 It means controversial.

00:01:50.000 Same as controversial.

00:01:50.000 Don't it?

00:01:53.000 It means getting in trouble with YouTube.

00:01:55.000 Not with that little guy.

00:01:57.000 That's my little, that stops me getting in any trouble that does.

00:02:01.000 If the WHO didn't interfere with us communicating openly on YouTube, this may not be a public platform, but we'll get to the bottom of all that along with so many subjects.

00:02:12.000 And we'll be talking about the morality that undergirds behavior reporting and systemic governance with Jack Kornfield, a world teacher.

00:02:22.000 We'll be talking about moral perspectives on AI, on Tucker's revelation?

00:02:27.000 Does he have the bodily autonomy to make such a claim?

00:02:29.000 Does he have a responsibility as a role model and as a public figure?

00:02:33.000 Is there a leadership crisis?

00:02:35.000 What does he think about Trump's stand on war?

00:02:38.000 Get your questions in now.

00:02:40.000 You could join us.

00:02:40.000 If you're on Rumble, right?

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00:02:47.000 Press down on it hard, baby. 0.97

00:02:49.000 Like, for example, a nipple. 0.94

00:02:50.000 Because Jim Earthsea, one of our local community members, says, I wonder if we'll see Russ's nips today. 0.96

00:02:56.000 I wonder indeed, Jim Earthsea.

00:02:59.000 I wonder indeed.

00:03:01.000 There's a chance.

00:03:01.000 There's a very high chance.

00:03:02.000 Smash that like button, says someone else.

00:03:04.000 Gareth's shirt is lovely, says Georgie Gal.

00:03:07.000 Fripples. 0.89

00:03:07.000 Hannah Sharp. 0.89

00:03:08.000 Show them, Russell.

00:03:10.000 Oh no you didn't.

00:03:11.000 Oh no you didn't.

00:03:12.000 You didn't just objectify me.

00:03:14.000 I'll pull shut my lilac cardigan so hard.

00:03:17.000 Also, on Here's the News, we'll be analysing that moment when Tucker took down Pence.

00:03:23.000 And look at all the new, emergent, independent voices in media spaces.

00:03:28.000 45% of Americans, Gareth Roy, no less, say they would consider voting for a third-party candidate.

00:03:33.000 Does it mean that it's fracturing?

00:03:35.000 Is the system falling apart?

00:03:37.000 Are we in a new Rubicon?

00:03:40.000 Are systems tumbling and crumbling?

00:03:42.000 Let us know!

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00:03:45.000 Plus, you know how we believe in freedom of speech.

00:03:47.000 We're going to be bringing you some sweet, sweet free speech, along with our caffeine, because directly after this, guess who I'm talking to?

00:03:54.000 Go on.

00:03:56.000 Well, they don't really call him the governor.

00:03:58.000 That was Schwarzenegger, wasn't it?

00:04:00.000 But this is the new governor!

00:04:01.000 Ron DeSantis!

00:04:02.000 I'm talking to him.

00:04:03.000 He's written this book!

00:04:04.000 I'll be talking to him a little bit later.

00:04:05.000 That's not on this show.

00:04:06.000 We'll be broadcasting that later in the week.

00:04:09.000 Join us in our Locals community.

00:04:10.000 Shall we have a look at this first story?

00:04:12.000 How exactly does Donald Trump, among all of his claims, say that he's going to end war in 24 hours?

00:04:18.000 We've also got the results of a poll that we sent you.

00:04:20.000 Post the poll in this chat as well, over on Locals now, so they can join in, in case they haven't done it yet.

00:04:24.000 OK, let's have a look at Trump saying that he would end war in just a day.

00:04:29.000 He's like David Bowie.

00:04:30.000 He's a hero, but not just for one day.

00:04:32.000 He can end a war in just one day.

00:04:33.000 Join us on Rumble if you're watching us elsewhere.

00:04:34.000 Let's have a look at this news story.

00:04:36.000 You said you could end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours.

00:04:39.000 Yes, I could.

00:04:39.000 How would you do that?

00:04:40.000 Uh, I know Zelensky very well.

00:04:43.000 I felt he was very honorable because when they asked him about the perfect phone call that I made, he said it was indeed perfect.

00:04:49.000 He said it was- he didn't even know what they were talking about.

00:04:52.000 He could have grammed st- Tell me what you like about Trump, but he does mediate everything through his ego.

00:04:57.000 And it like- like if someone says something that's nice about him, he likes that.

00:04:57.000 Yeah.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, the perfect phone call.

00:05:02.000 Perfect phone call.

00:05:04.000 Hello?

00:05:05.000 Oh, no, sorry, you go first.

00:05:06.000 No, sorry, I was going to say, oh, hi, hello, I'm just driving.

00:05:08.000 Sorry.

00:05:09.000 Oh, no, it's going from the headphones to the car Bluetooth.

00:05:12.000 None of that!

00:05:13.000 Not with Trump.

00:05:14.000 Straight in there.

00:05:15.000 Perfect phone call.

00:05:16.000 I love the idea that Zelensky, after talking to Trump, you know, when the Russian invasion was mooted and all these things, that there would have been a call between them.

00:05:25.000 But Zelensky got off the phone and he went, you know what?

00:05:28.000 That was the perfect phone call.

00:05:29.000 How do you even analyse that?

00:05:31.000 What is the metric for evaluating the perfect phone call?

00:05:34.000 Like it's an ice dance that you could hold up a tent to.

00:05:37.000 Oh, I felt threatened.

00:05:38.000 Well, that's not going to be enough for Putin to stop bombing.

00:05:40.000 No, no, no.

00:05:41.000 No, I'm not saying that.

00:05:42.000 What I'm saying is that I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well.

00:05:46.000 So like the idea that knowing people well is the way to solve these problems because actually what Trump suggests strategically and tactically is saying to Putin we would give Ukraine so many weapons that they would win this war.

00:05:59.000 So in a sense he's just saying he would amplify what's happening.

00:06:02.000 So what do you think about that guys?

00:06:03.000 Particularly those of you that love Trump.

00:06:05.000 Because it's interesting, isn't it?

00:06:06.000 Because we're now living in a time where there are emerging independent voices, and in a sense you could say Trump was the harbinger of that.

00:06:13.000 Whether you like Trump or not, there's no doubt that he was a berserker in the system, a bull in the china shop. 0.64

00:06:19.000 He is not the preferred candidate of the establishment.

00:06:21.000 I think it's safe to say that now and perhaps in his wake we have the emergence of figures

00:06:27.000 like RFK, friend of the show.

00:06:29.000 If you've not donated to the fund for me to do pull-ups against RFK, for God's sake, donate

00:06:34.000 now.

00:06:35.000 Let's post the link to that in the description because, not in the description, in the chat

00:06:39.000 on locals because baby, I am going to pull him up so hard.

00:06:44.000 I am ready to pull up.

00:06:45.000 I'm telling you.

00:06:46.000 Perfect pull-up.

00:06:47.000 The perfect pull-up I'm going to do.

00:06:48.000 Perfect.

00:06:49.000 All the way down, full extension, all the way up, chin above, chest out.

00:06:53.000 That's the kind of pull-up competition that I'm interested in.

00:06:56.000 So let's see how Trump actually would end war in 24 hours.

00:07:01.000 So.

00:07:02.000 And I had a good relationship, very good, with both of them.

00:07:06.000 I would tell Zelensky, no more.

00:07:09.000 You gotta make a deal.

00:07:10.000 I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're gonna give them a lot.

00:07:13.000 We're gonna give them more than they ever got, if we have to.

00:07:16.000 It's good that he sort of publicly tells us, as well, exactly what the strategy is.

00:07:21.000 Zelensky, no more.

00:07:22.000 Putin, more.

00:07:23.000 He goes from diplomacy to the complete opposite of diplomacy in about three seconds.

00:07:28.000 It's a strange tactic and strategy.

00:07:30.000 In a sense, Security is the perfect indication of the times that we live in.

00:07:36.000 The old systems are dying.

00:07:38.000 We're becoming weary of the rhetoric of systemic power.

00:07:43.000 The US are pressuring the Ukraine to push harder in the counter-offensive.

00:07:47.000 Gareth, you had a point to make on this story.

00:07:48.000 No, I just think it's amazing that this is going on, that the US government and the military are getting frustrated with Ukraine for how the counter-offensive is going.

00:07:57.000 Despite Mark Milley saying that the counter-offensive is not a failure, which is already going quite far, isn't it?

00:08:03.000 It's not a failure in my view.

00:08:04.000 I think it's way too early to say that kind of thing.

00:08:06.000 I think there's a lot of fighting left to do and I'll stay with what we've said before.

00:08:10.000 This is going to be a long and hard bloody battle.

00:08:14.000 Give war a chance.

00:08:15.000 For God's sake, let's really give this war a chance.

00:08:18.000 Also, the whole thing was proposed as aid, but there's not even a war anyway.

00:08:23.000 So this war that's not happening anyway, and certainly not a proxy war, they're now disappointed with the results of it.

00:08:29.000 If it was like famine aid, you wouldn't go, oh, we're not giving them any more famine aid.

00:08:33.000 They're still bloody hungry.

00:08:34.000 Look at them.

00:08:35.000 We've sent over all of this flour.

00:08:37.000 They're still skinny as rakes.

00:08:38.000 It's meant to not be a proxy war.

00:08:41.000 So you should have Look how that's happened, hasn't it?

00:08:46.000 It's crept in, week by week by week, this is how it gets to it.

00:08:49.000 The start is, this is not our war, it's not American troops, we're just providing aid exactly as you say.

00:08:54.000 And then the creep comes to the point where you've got the government saying, we're angry about how slow this is and how badly that you're doing, and that this is going to be a long, hard battle.

00:09:04.000 Starting to look like a proxy war.

00:09:05.000 No wonder they require absolute control over media institutions and in particular social media.

00:09:12.000 You know that federal judge passed a law saying that your free speech are being impeached by Biden administration and Well that has been overturned.

00:09:21.000 have been censored, in particular during the pandemic period, and the federal judge said

00:09:25.000 it had to stop, that the Biden administration would only interact with social media platforms

00:09:30.000 if it were matters of criminality or national security.

00:09:33.000 Basically, what the conditions ought always be. Well, that has been overturned. The Biden

00:09:39.000 administration will be allowed to continue to collude with social media, continue to demand they censor,

00:09:46.000 even as new legislation is being passed to permit it in your country, the United States, in

00:09:50.000 Canada, in Australia, in New Zealand, in our country, the UK, and across the EU.

00:09:55.000 Of course they have to amplify their message that there is a requirement for censorship because without censorship we will openly communicate and of course there are bigoted people in the world.

00:10:06.000 There are people saying hateful things.

00:10:08.000 I wish there weren't but there are.

00:10:09.000 But the The biggest threat is our open communication, not our bigotry, not our potential hatred towards one another, but the fact that we can collude, cooperate, present new alternatives.

00:10:22.000 Let me know in the chat right now, press the red button, join us on Locals and let me know what you think about this.

00:10:28.000 The Biden administration overturned a rule.

00:10:30.000 What's the point in having a ruling if they can instantly overturn it?

00:10:33.000 It's not overturned. So they went to the Court of Appeals, the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals,

00:10:37.000 and it's been temporarily suspended. So all hope is not lost. It's been suspended for now.

00:10:42.000 But they're going to continue right now to do what they were doing, what they were told

00:10:45.000 immediately to stop doing. So once again, there's a legislative quagmire that can be fired up,

00:10:51.000 that's anti-democratic, anti-judicial, which reveals precisely what we continually tell us,

00:10:56.000 and what we continually tell you, and what you continually tell us, that these institutions

00:11:01.000 are failing, that they're not fit for purpose. Remember, we're going to leave you in a second,

00:11:05.000 we'll be exclusively on Rumble to talk about Tucker's admission.

00:11:09.000 Acknowledgement that he has taken no shots.

00:11:12.000 Oh, you're surprised by that?

00:11:13.000 Let me know in the chat how many shots you had.

00:11:15.000 Let me know in the chat what you think about that.

00:11:17.000 Is he allowed to do that?

00:11:18.000 Is that even possible?

00:11:19.000 Obviously, we can't talk about that openly on YouTube because where do YouTube get their community guidelines?

00:11:24.000 From the WHO.

00:11:25.000 Where does the WHO get its fundings?

00:11:27.000 What's its biggest funder?

00:11:28.000 Some of the funding of the WHO comes directly from you, of course.

00:11:31.000 Remember when you voted for that?

00:11:32.000 Of course you didn't.

00:11:33.000 But, significantly, the funding of the WHO comes from, well, let me know in the comments.

00:11:38.000 Jill Bates, exactly.

00:11:39.000 J. Gwynne Wilde.

00:11:41.000 That's right, we're going to send you a t-shirt saying you are free.

00:11:45.000 Free, sweetly free.

00:11:47.000 Shall we have a look at Donald Trump's reaction to the January 6th there?

00:11:52.000 The number one thing that bothers Trump about potentially being arrested over the events related to January the 6th is that he received the letter On a Sunday.

00:12:02.000 Let's have a look at him on Fox News.

00:12:04.000 And you released on Truth Social earlier today that they now, that you are a target of this January 6th grand jury.

00:12:16.000 My first question to you is, it doesn't seem to bother you like I think it would bother so many other people.

00:12:24.000 What is it about you that it doesn't?

00:12:26.000 No, it bothers me.

00:12:27.000 It bothers me for everybody in this incredible sold-out audience.

00:12:33.000 He's brilliant.

00:12:33.000 He's like a WWF president.

00:12:36.000 He's like a wrestling president.

00:12:38.000 He's pitching.

00:12:39.000 It's P.T.

00:12:40.000 Barnum.

00:12:41.000 It's extraordinary, actually, telling you, while it's happening, that it's a sold-out audience.

00:12:46.000 Yeah, it's so skillful, the way the way he does it. But the issue with Trump is that is it

00:12:51.000 just that? Is it all just rhetoric? And maybe that's enough but maybe it's not.

00:12:55.000 You know the position on lethal aid to Ukraine is exactly that. That there is an

00:13:02.000 issue there. When his strategy goes from, you know, it's about diplomacy and

00:13:06.000 peace talks to I just send Ukraine loads of weaponry, because Trump sent loads of

00:13:11.000 weapons to Ukraine in the first place. You know he sent like 47 million dollars of

00:13:16.000 weapons in the first place. So you've got to have, I guess you've got to have

00:13:21.000 What do you guys think?

00:13:21.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:13:21.000 something to also...

00:13:22.000 just be the rhetoric which I admit is very funny and skillful.

00:13:25.000 He's also saying that he would end that war in 24 hours and maybe these are just

00:13:30.000 rhetorical tricks that he perhaps wouldn't send any more weapons after all.

00:13:33.000 What do you guys think? Let me know in the chat. We'll be talking to Jack

00:13:35.000 Kornfield in a minute. Jack Kornfield is a world teacher, a fantastic spiritual

00:13:40.000 teacher about the morality behind these kinds of positions.

00:13:44.000 And where are we?

00:13:46.000 Where do we stand now where Noam Chomsky and Donald Trump have the same political perspective?

00:13:51.000 Where Cornel West and Tucker Carlson have the same political perspective.

00:13:55.000 Where it's taking increasingly peripheral figures to point out that there should be an alternative to ongoing war.

00:14:02.000 That the establishment, whether it's Mike Pence or Joe Biden, are advocating for forever wars.

00:14:08.000 That it takes now people from outside the establishment.

00:14:10.000 And do you even agree with that analysis?

00:14:12.000 Is Trump outside the establishment?

00:14:14.000 Let me know.

00:14:16.000 I got the letter on Sunday night.

00:14:18.000 Think of it.

00:14:19.000 I don't think they've ever sent a letter on Sunday night.

00:14:21.000 And they're in a rush because they want to interfere.

00:14:23.000 It's interference with the election.

00:14:25.000 It's election interference.

00:14:27.000 Never been done like this in the history of our country, and it's a disgrace.

00:14:31.000 What's happening to our country, whether it's the borders or the elections or kinds of things like this, where the DOJ has become a weapon for the Democrats.

00:14:40.000 The DOJ is a weapon for the Democrats.

00:14:44.000 Difficult to query that analysis when there is the temporary suspension of verdicts that had been reached by legitimate judicial figures, allowing the Biden administration to continue to censor.

00:14:57.000 Astonishing.

00:14:58.000 If you're watching this on YouTube right now, click the link on your description.

00:15:01.000 We're heading over to Rumble to talk about... Did you see this?

00:15:04.000 Did you see Tucker talking about He's zero jabs.

00:15:07.000 What I like about that chat most of all... See you later, YouTube.

00:15:09.000 Click the link.

00:15:10.000 Join us over there.

00:15:11.000 And if you're watching us on Rumble, click the red button right now and join us in the chat.

00:15:11.000 Join us over there.

00:15:16.000 What I like about this is in his chat with who I can only assume is a delightful old gentleman.

00:15:21.000 In the chat, he sort of says, how many jabs did you have?

00:15:24.000 And that fellow went, well, how many jabs did you have? 0.92

00:15:26.000 Which shows, like, that's real playground negotiation tactics.

00:15:30.000 Let's have a little look at this clip.

00:15:32.000 And once more, it's another example of how it's independent, now independent, media figures like Tucker Carlson who are able to handle the national and indeed international conversation a lot more deftly than supposed political figures.

00:15:45.000 Remember when we showed you yesterday Mike Pence talking about how he would double down on the militarization of Ukraine?

00:15:53.000 continue to perpetuate this war mentality. It was Tucker that points out, well hang on a minute,

00:15:58.000 have you not looked around American cities at the moment?

00:16:00.000 Yeah, a lot of people are saying Tucker for president or Davros 200 actually. But I get a

00:16:04.000 general impression that what your appetite is for now is anti-establishment political figures because

00:16:10.000 the establishment itself is the problem, not the minor differences between establishment entities.

00:16:15.000 Would you agree with that analysis generally? Let's have a look at Tucker Carlson's stance on

00:16:20.000 the jabs there.

00:16:21.000 One of the powers that government did usurp over the past several years is the right to

00:16:27.000 decide what medicine you take in the form of COVID mandates.

00:16:30.000 And I think that's a really good point.

00:16:32.000 How did you feel about that, and how many COVID shots did you take, and how do you feel about it now, in retrospect?

00:16:38.000 How many COVID shots did you take?

00:16:40.000 Zero.

00:16:44.000 Oh, Tucker, going in hard with a zero.

00:16:47.000 Now, what I know from when Tucker Carlson joined us on this show is he is able to align his easy, convivial manner, his fluidity and eloquence as a communicator with authenticity.

00:17:03.000 He feels like when you're speaking with him, whether it's on camera or off, you feel like you're dealing with a connected person who you may not agree with on everything, but you can speak with in good faith.

00:17:14.000 That's why I'm sort of astonished by people that say that Tucker's a white supremacist and that kind of thing, because it just doesn't hold up in person.

00:17:25.000 And particularly something like this now.

00:17:26.000 Is this the first public figure you've seen say zero shots?

00:17:30.000 Maybe so.

00:17:31.000 I also think he's in that amazing position at the moment.

00:17:33.000 Obviously he's a highly skilled broadcaster, but now that he's left Fox and has no ties to the mainstream at all, or getting kind of told what he can and can't say, he's able to point out, he's in this incredible position of basically just pointing out hypocrisy.

00:17:49.000 And so when he's asked by Asa Hutchinson, Like, how many did you take?

00:17:53.000 He can say I didn't take any shots because he knows from the Republican position and all these Republican candidates that he's interviewed is that they live in hypocrisy, whether that's the war or COVID.

00:18:04.000 Again, coming back to Trump, you know, again, I don't think there's another figure in politics who could weather the storm of the lockdowns that Trump imposed, the way in which he took great pride in those In the vaccines you know I don't think anyone else could kind of still come through that with the fan base that he's got when there's so many things that you could say his party did at that time and their position on war that just feels very hypocritical.

00:18:30.000 Certainly he's granted incredible grace by the surrounding environment of ongoing hypocrisy a lot of people in the chat asking did that politician ever answer the question do you feel increasingly now But we're approaching a point where you don't want to be governed people that even look like that.

00:18:49.000 A kind of sort of drabness, the hollowed-out, pallid complexion of these cookie-cutter, off-the-conveyor-belt, political figures who, from either side of the aisle, parrot the same talking points, support the same ideas, went to the same schools, are funded in the same way.

00:19:09.000 Isn't there a kind of appetite now for raw rhetoric?

00:19:14.000 Let's have a look as well, just based on that issue.

00:19:16.000 Tucker's vaccine revelation, we asked you.

00:19:18.000 Does it make you like him more, less, or just the same?

00:19:22.000 65% liked him more, 33% of you already liked him, less 2%, 98% of you found this made you warm to Tucker a little more.

00:19:32.000 Let's have a look at the rest of that clip.

00:19:36.000 But I think it's fair and I can see that you look at the zero.

00:19:41.000 Is it like they're still applauding him saying zero?

00:19:44.000 That's the reaction.

00:19:46.000 I asked you that question.

00:19:48.000 Take that to mean like this is everybody support and let's not get vaccines.

00:19:51.000 That's everyone supporting authenticity.

00:19:54.000 I agree.

00:19:55.000 Open discourse.

00:19:56.000 Clear communication.

00:19:57.000 Because we live in a time of obfuscation and deception.

00:20:01.000 Have you seen all these stories about Joe Biden?

00:20:04.000 People saying, oh Joe Biden, he's foul-mouthed and filthy-tempered in public.

00:20:10.000 He's being abusive to his staff while making declarations in public that anyone that's rude in his team will be out on their ear immediately.

00:20:18.000 You don't Even know for sure whether or not this is a tactic to make Joe Biden seem more dynamic.

00:20:24.000 We live almost entirely in a spectacle.

00:20:28.000 Integrity and authenticity are becoming the currency of our time.

00:20:32.000 I'd say I'd rather deal with people that I disagree with but trust that they're telling the truth than people that parrot the points of the contemporary ideology and will parrot other points when they come into fashion.

00:20:46.000 And I don't think, honestly, you should be asking people about their medical care, but that became a matter of public policy.

00:20:53.000 And I do think that the whole country ought to pause and assess, like, what did we just go through?

00:20:57.000 How do we feel about it now?

00:20:58.000 And so it's a very straightforward question.

00:21:01.000 Authenticity and integrity fundamentally are spiritual matters.

00:21:06.000 We're living, I believe, in a kind of spiritual vacuum.

00:21:10.000 We're living in a time where trust in all of our institutions is waning.

00:21:14.000 People don't trust the government anymore.

00:21:16.000 People don't trust the mainstream media.

00:21:19.000 Faith even in God in parts of the country.

00:21:22.000 Remember we talked to you at length about 50% of Americans no longer identify as Christians.

00:21:27.000 This is a time of crisis.

00:21:30.000 I think what people crave more than anything is integrity.

00:21:35.000 We've got some fantastic content coming up for you over the course of the week, but it's time now for me to interview my guest.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, I would love to interview my guest now because, yeah, look at the time.

00:21:47.000 This is Jack Kornfeld, who is a Buddhist monk, a best-selling author, a world-renowned spiritual teacher.

00:21:54.000 Jack, thank you so much for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:21:57.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:21:58.000 I wanted to start by talking about some of the subjects we've already discussed in this

00:22:02.000 episode.

00:22:03.000 Donald Trump is almost the very definition of a divisive figure.

00:22:08.000 In some areas, this man is regarded as the embodiment of anti-establishment force.

00:22:15.000 He's for many of our viewers, the only opportunity we're going to have to stand up against hypocrisy

00:22:22.000 and corruption within the establishment.

00:22:25.000 Notable that he is one of the few voices within the mainstream that is advocating for peace at this time.

00:22:32.000 How do you, from the perspective of a spiritualist, a man who is devout and dedicated to spirituality, Ethically deal with the subject of Donald Trump and what he represents.

00:22:44.000 How do you deal with the subject of militarism and forever wars?

00:22:49.000 What do you feel it tells us when you have figures like Donald Trump and Noam Chomsky saying the same things about war, Cornel West and RFK saying the same thing about war and yet the establishment still advocating for ongoing wars if it's a duty, a responsibility and the only moral thing to do?

00:23:06.000 So Russell, you've got the establishment on one side, and you've got the anti-establishment on the other side.

00:23:13.000 Let me say two things to start with.

00:23:15.000 First, no amount of technology, of nanotechnology, AI, biotechnology, war technology, is going to stop continuing warfare, nor business as usual, because the source of warfare is the human heart.

00:23:32.000 Um, and we can get better weapons.

00:23:36.000 We can elect other people.

00:23:38.000 But if people are still divisive in their heart and not connected in any way, don't have a society that represents and fosters care, then we get what you talked about, you talked about it on the playground, when kids are, you know, hitting each other with blocks, you say, use your words, you actually teach people that there's another way to be.

00:24:00.000 And we have a society that's tremendously divisive.

00:24:05.000 And it's not going to be changed, unless also people change inside, which is what I've learned as a as a Buddhist monk, That in fact, if you want the world to be more peaceful, you also have to step out of the—stop the war inside yourself.

00:24:22.000 Otherwise, you could have establishment and anti-establishment, and it just carries on.

00:24:28.000 Yes, it seems increasingly plain to me that the prima materia of our reality is consciousness itself and the external world, an expression of some ulterior force that is privately accessible to all of us through the subjective experience.

00:24:43.000 And perhaps in this spectacular age, and I use that word most literally, Jack, this thirst and hunger for integrity and authenticity comes from Our shared realization that what we're being presented, whether it's from a Republican perspective or a Democrat perspective or from within the mainstream media or by our judiciary or from within the corporatist, globalist world and its evident influence within media spaces, is a lack of integrity and authenticity.

00:25:14.000 That's why a figure like Tucker Carlson, I believe, who came on our show and was absolutely fantastic.

00:25:19.000 He and I had a sort of a real connection.

00:25:22.000 I have a real connection.

00:25:24.000 I would say that whilst there are areas of, you know, policy and social matters where he and I would disagree, what I'd accept is that he's a person who comes from a place of integrity and authenticity.

00:25:36.000 What do you think of this modern currency of integrity and authenticity?

00:25:41.000 And do you feel that it's something that's lacking in public discourse and in particular in political discourse?

00:25:47.000 Of course there's something lacking, partly because we live in an addictive society in which the best contribution you can make, you know, is to continue to consume.

00:25:59.000 The best person in the society is neither dead nor alive, but more like a zombie and doesn't want to stand up and say, this is what matters to me, whether it's eating carcinogenic food or polluting the environment and so forth.

00:26:13.000 So we're missing that because we're being trained in some way.

00:26:20.000 Almost as if the society itself is an addict.

00:26:23.000 And then secondly, when I was living in the monastery during the time, one of the times of war in Southeast Asia, and there was a firefight near the monastery and the monastery was a zone of peace.

00:26:35.000 In the morning I went out with an old monk and there were some helicopters dropping canister bombs Where the so-called terrorists were living.

00:26:46.000 And, you know, the firefight was close enough you could see the flashes at night.

00:26:50.000 And I said, oh, the military is bombing those terrorists, you know, that we saw fighting last night.

00:26:57.000 And the monk said, oh, they don't live there.

00:26:59.000 They're in caves down that way, further down the ridge.

00:27:01.000 I said, well, why are they bombing there?

00:27:03.000 And he said, well, if they killed them all, then no one would continue to give them all these nice helicopters and weapons.

00:27:11.000 And you could feel that underneath the war was also this huge economic engine.

00:27:18.000 U.S.

00:27:20.000 is a warlike nation, and there's this tremendous emphasis on keeping war going.

00:27:27.000 We have to teach our children to look honestly and say, all right, what are the values you want to live?

00:27:34.000 If you want integrity, do you want to live with continuing warfare?

00:27:38.000 Or is there an alternative to it?

00:27:40.000 Do you want to live with continuing consumer addiction?

00:27:43.000 Or is there some way you can find a connection to each other that's caring and in yourself?

00:27:49.000 And that's the kind of thing that that's needed in the society as much as anything.

00:27:55.000 There is a requirement for that but we live also during a time of approaching immersive censorship.

00:28:03.000 It seems to me that there are genuine globalist forces that are trying to slowly, softly,

00:28:09.000 and maybe not so slowly or softly, introduce social credit score systems,

00:28:15.000 introduce control of digital currency, through digital currency,

00:28:19.000 maintain control through censorship, a time absolutely lacking in integrity and authenticity.

00:28:27.000 Whilst I recognize that an inner personal revolution is the most important thing that any of us can do,

00:28:35.000 and it's very empowering to hear that when.

00:28:38.000 Because some of the subjects we talk about on the show, I think people feel like, what am I supposed to do?

00:28:44.000 NATO and the WHO and the WEF and the military-industrial complex and these centralised media institutions that lie.

00:28:54.000 The funding of both political parties comes from the same sources.

00:28:58.000 How can I change that?

00:29:00.000 But what is deeply empowering is the fact that all of us, through the private alter within us, do have access to a deep force, can cultivate a different mentality, do have access to a power that actually is the only thing that can meaningfully alter reality.

00:29:19.000 Nevertheless, Jack, there are, I would say, accumulating forces of opposition, not least through technology.

00:29:28.000 And I understand that you've been communicating a lot with Sam Altman about the potential destructive power of AI, which of course could be utilized like any tool for good.

00:29:39.000 But I suppose the fear at the moment is that AI could wreak economic havoc Could annihilate a lot of jobs, could be used to impose further control, could be used to divide people further.

00:29:50.000 What are some of the topics and subjects you're discussing with Sam Altman, and what is coming out of those conversations?

00:29:57.000 So, I'll answer that briefly and then I'll throw a question your way.

00:30:02.000 The question, and the leaders of AI don't know how to do it, is how do you build in Honesty, integrity and ethical values within computer systems and with artificial intelligence.

00:30:19.000 And I think it all needs to be slowed down, which is what Sam also agreed to in some way, until that can be established.

00:30:27.000 I had a conversation with Charlie Oppenheimer, who's the grandson of Robert J. Oppenheimer.

00:30:34.000 There's a film that's just coming out.

00:30:36.000 And in 1945, Oppenheimer suggested that there be an international group that hold the nuclear

00:30:45.000 explosive power of the bomb, rather than any particular country.

00:30:50.000 And there was a two-year period when the U.S.

00:30:52.000 was the only holder of nuclear power.

00:30:55.000 And then we said, no, we're going to run the world with our nuclear power.

00:30:59.000 And the nuclear arms race started.

00:31:01.000 The same thing is happening with AI right now.

00:31:04.000 And it's possible to pause and say, let's collaborate and do this together rather than make AI Artificial intelligence, global war of whose AI is more powerful than whose.

00:31:20.000 The question for us is, do we continue down the path of conflict with one another?

00:31:27.000 Or what are you helping?

00:31:29.000 You know, you pointed out, Russell, you point out how things are messed up and the establishment, this and that.

00:31:37.000 What's the solution?

00:31:39.000 It's not just individualism, is it?

00:31:41.000 I mean, we need So how do you how do you create a wise society that's not just individualistic and where people are responsible and ethical caring for the community as a whole?

00:31:55.000 I feel that individualism has perhaps reached its apex and perhaps in the reification of identity that is enshrined in identity politics which for me holds many truths We ought be free to become who we truly are, and nobody should impede the self-expression of individuals.

00:32:18.000 Our freedom is perhaps one of the greatest principles around which we can organise our lives.

00:32:24.000 But there is more to my personal reality than what I want and what I don't want.

00:32:29.000 And as an addict, I've fallen into the trap of treating my own preferences and aversions

00:32:35.000 like a kind of inner dogma imposed by instinct, impulse, and cultural conditioning.

00:32:42.000 What I suggest is that our systems and institutions need a radical re-evaluation of their ethics,

00:32:51.000 that it seems to be, to me, that our media and our systems governance promote the ugliest aspects of our nature.

00:33:00.000 They promote desire.

00:33:01.000 They sustain fear.

00:33:03.000 Powerful forces that are very, very difficult to overcome and impossible to overcome without a spiritual experience.

00:33:11.000 Simply the realization that the inner life is the real world and the outer phenomena is on some level a deep expression of this inward experience.

00:33:21.000 It takes a great deal of discipline and surrender to access this point.

00:33:25.000 The only way for us to proceed at this time, I believe, is to acknowledge what is truly happening.

00:33:32.000 Decentralisation and devolution are making themselves felt through the technological advances of the last few years.

00:33:41.000 It is no longer necessary to have centralised institutions of finance, capital and power.

00:33:47.000 We have real fascism now, if you take Mussolini's definition that fascism is the reconstituting of private power and state power into one oppressive fist.

00:34:00.000 We stand on the brink, I believe, not of an Orwellian dystopia, but of a Huxleyan dystopia.

00:34:06.000 We're high on Soma, we lay as passive blobs in our cells, our energy harnessed, our consciousness directed towards the lower and basest aspects, most base aspects of our nature.

00:34:20.000 An individual awakening is not a luxury, it is a necessity.

00:34:25.000 When people ask, what can I do?

00:34:27.000 What I respond is, the thing you can do is the most important thing available.

00:34:32.000 Personally awaken.

00:34:33.000 But concomitant with this is the necessity to break down and attack these institutions of corruption, to replace centralised power wherever possible with localised power, democratic power.

00:34:46.000 There is a fusion to be had between the apparently opposing ideas of libertarianism, which is

00:34:52.000 generally associated with the right, anarchism, which is usually seen as being to the left

00:34:56.000 of the leftist most politics, and recognizing that when we have individual freedom meshed

00:35:02.000 with community duty, we have the possibility to build new societies.

00:35:07.000 But that is not going to be possible without a significant spiritual awakening at the level

00:35:13.000 of the individual.

00:35:14.000 I believe that there will be a tipping point, and I think that we can approach it through spiritual practice and a kind of unity against central corruption.

00:35:24.000 That's what we're trying to convey on this show, Jack, and that's what I want to talk to you about, and that's why you're here.

00:35:29.000 If you have questions for Jack in the chat, join us, press the red button, join us over on Locals and add Hat team, stay free so that I find your questions in there.

00:35:39.000 And guys out there, bring the questions for Jack in, proper questions.

00:35:43.000 Jack, what do you think about my little diatribe there?

00:35:45.000 I loved your diatribe, and I want to say to people that we can always start again, that we can always begin again.

00:35:54.000 It's one of the great spiritual truths.

00:35:57.000 If you listen to Lehmann Gbowee and those who won the Nobel Peace Prize in Liberia, where she said, Liberia used to be known for its child soldiers, And now it's known for its women leaders.

00:36:13.000 That revolution is that combination of inner revolution to realize that you can step out of your own fears.

00:36:20.000 You can step out of your own addiction.

00:36:23.000 James Baldwin put it this way.

00:36:25.000 He said, I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hate and ignorance so stubbornly is because they sense that once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with their own pain and fear.

00:36:37.000 And if we can honor that we're human and we can actually stand up to that, we can look in our own hearts and say, yes, we have our measure of pain.

00:36:46.000 Yes, we have our fear.

00:36:48.000 And there's something bigger that we can be a part of, which includes then not only the inner freedom, but the sense of connection with others, not based on fear, but based on On mutual care.

00:37:02.000 That's beautiful, that James Baldwin quote.

00:37:04.000 Let's find that and let's post that when we are sharing this conversation with Jack.

00:37:09.000 We've got some lovely questions for you.

00:37:12.000 Let me just find them, Jack.

00:37:15.000 Loads of questions flooded in just then.

00:37:18.000 Excuse me, because they're sometimes difficult to locate.

00:37:24.000 So you guys could write them down for me in there if you don't mind, because it's Easier for me to locate them.

00:37:29.000 Ah, here we go.

00:37:30.000 Imagination.

00:37:31.000 How do we reduce dependence on the state and the system, Jack?

00:37:36.000 That is one of the questions that's come from.

00:37:38.000 How do we reduce this dependence people are asking for?

00:37:41.000 And GELD says simply, you look like my dad, Jack.

00:37:45.000 That's what GELD has to offer.

00:37:46.000 And how do we reduce dependence on the state and the system?

00:37:50.000 Well, I look like somebody's dad anyway.

00:37:53.000 You know, that's partly the question of empowerment and trust, that if we actually start to build within our communities, that there's something about both the global system that we have to pay attention to and step out of in some way, but we also need to rebuild at the very simplest level.

00:38:12.000 How do I live?

00:38:13.000 In the environment I'm in, with the neighbors that I care about, one of the best things of what happened in the pandemic is that people at the beginning started to care about each other for a time.

00:38:25.000 And there was a kind of cheering for that.

00:38:27.000 People, you know, on the balconies in Italy singing to one another in the evening.

00:38:32.000 And you realize part of what's missing is that deep sense of community.

00:38:36.000 And we've been swayed by the media, We've been swayed by the consumerism of the society to say, this is going to make you happy.

00:38:45.000 And it doesn't.

00:38:47.000 Go for a walk in nature.

00:38:49.000 Go spend some time with the trees and the wood and the community of nature that you're a part of, connect with

00:38:58.000 those around you, quiet your own mind and tend your heart, and then stand up and we

00:39:04.000 get overwhelmed.

00:39:05.000 Here's what you can trust. You can't fix the whole system as an individual. That

00:39:09.000 would be hubris, but you can make a difference.

00:39:13.000 You can reach out and mend and connect and start to build a web of connection from goodwill in your community with others.

00:39:21.000 And that's partly the real revolution of changing how we live with each other.

00:39:26.000 Very beautiful answer and it's reassuring for me because I have a lot of conversations, I know you do Jack, I know that you communicate openly, that you have an ongoing communication and you're continually teaching and involved in discourse with other great thinkers and like very recently on here we had the survivalist and leader of the global scout movement and former SAS soldier Bear Grylls on here and he's He's saying almost the same things as you.

00:39:53.000 He's not quoting James Baldwin, but he's saying get out in nature, experience nature, find connections in community.

00:39:59.000 We have a saying in the 12-step community, look for the similarities, not for the differences.

00:40:06.000 I think that what our culture continually invites us to do is to focus on the differences and not the similarities.

00:40:11.000 Question now from our community here in Locals, and if you want to join us on Locals, press the red button at the bottom of your screen now.

00:40:18.000 No Dugganoku asks, Jack, how do you keep in touch with our beloved Ram Dass after his passing and what in Ram Dass' teaching could help us now?

00:40:30.000 So Ram Dass was a good friend.

00:40:33.000 And the thing is, we keep in touch with each other when we're alive and after that.

00:40:37.000 So I can get quiet in meditation.

00:40:39.000 And maybe it's just imagination.

00:40:41.000 I'm not going to try to sell you some philosophy.

00:40:44.000 But I can hear Ram Dass' voice saying, yeah, you're upset about that.

00:40:48.000 But who we are underneath all that is bigger.

00:40:51.000 And you know that, and I do too, Russell, that it's really the play of consciousness and the state of the heart.

00:40:58.000 And when we tune in and ask ourselves, as Ramana would, what's your highest intention?

00:41:05.000 What's your best intention?

00:41:07.000 That begins to guide your activity.

00:41:09.000 But it has to be courageous and fearless.

00:41:12.000 I was working at a retreat with some other great Teachers for young men coming out of street gangs in Los Angeles and Oakland and Chicago.

00:41:23.000 And I was working with a great Latino poet and a mythologist.

00:41:29.000 And they're sitting there with their hoods up and their hats on backwards saying like, yeah, man, you're going to give me a poem.

00:41:34.000 You're going to teach meditation.

00:41:35.000 I'm on the street.

00:41:36.000 People got nine millimeters.

00:41:37.000 You got to give me something better than that.

00:41:40.000 And so we said, listen, first take a few breaths.

00:41:44.000 And before we can start, we lit a candle and put it on the table, go out in the parking lot and bring in a stone for every young person, you know, who's been killed or died, drug overdose, you know, gang conflicts.

00:41:59.000 These kids came in with their hands full of stones.

00:42:02.000 No young person should know that many dead people.

00:42:05.000 And they'd put it next to the candle and say, this is for RJ, this is for Tito, this is for homegirl.

00:42:12.000 And the pile grew.

00:42:14.000 And when they sat back down, the hoods came off and the hats came off.

00:42:18.000 And it's like, OK, we're going to get real here.

00:42:21.000 We're actually going to talk about what we're living and not just in the cycle of violence.

00:42:26.000 What do we care about?

00:42:27.000 And you could feel when they saw that circle of stones that they actually cared about each other.

00:42:34.000 And it began an entirely different conversation.

00:42:37.000 But it means a kind of courage that's not just the outer courage, Russell.

00:42:42.000 But it's really the courage of heart to be able to see the suffering that you talk about and to say, I will not contribute to that divisiveness.

00:42:52.000 I'm going to listen in a different way and stand up for what really matters and connect not only inner freedom, but that community around me in a different way, a heartful way.

00:43:04.000 So maybe Ram Dass is speaking through me in that regard.

00:43:07.000 It is an astonishing paradox that the seemingly insignificant gesture of personal awakening can have such a profound effect.

00:43:17.000 But under investigation, if we acknowledge that individual change, collectively undertaken, means that reality is entirely altered, that's a very beautiful anecdote.

00:43:28.000 And I'd like to add to it this question from Judy Denmark.

00:43:31.000 How our individual awakening will not affect Biden and Putin or those who hold the nuclear codes.

00:43:36.000 How do we control them?

00:43:36.000 But already Jack has offered us this.

00:43:39.000 Our individual awakening is what we have to offer.

00:43:43.000 It will change reality.

00:43:45.000 In a sense I think we trap ourselves in a sort of cycle of impotence by refusing to acknowledge and embrace our personal power.

00:43:51.000 How useful it is for For us to say, oh, well, there's nothing we can do.

00:43:57.000 What if Malcolm X or Gandhi had taken such a position?

00:44:00.000 And as Jack has already said in one of his previous answers, it would be hubristic to think that any individual can make a difference.

00:44:06.000 And even some of the most great leaders, Martin Luther King, have always acknowledged that it is as one of many that we are powerful.

00:44:14.000 Of course, this is the perpetual dynamic that needs to be retained.

00:44:19.000 How can a small establishment elite dominate an entire planet only by creating fracture, impotence

00:44:26.000 and despair among that population.

00:44:29.000 Jack, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:44:33.000 And the belief that you can't make a difference.

00:44:36.000 And actually, each person who's listening, and this is what you're trying to say right now, Russell, that each person who listens actually has the power to act from a kind of inner freedom and well-being and to contribute.

00:44:49.000 And that's what will, in the end, it's going to be us together that will make the change.

00:44:55.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:44:56.000 Jack Kornfield, thank you so much for demonstrating that power.

00:44:58.000 Thank you for carrying the messages of the great teachers and friends you have known, and thank you for inspiring us today.

00:45:04.000 You can follow Jack's work by going to jackkornfield.com.

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00:45:11.000 You get access to all manner of Beautiful content including getting access to some of the interviews that we conduct prior to anyone else.

00:45:20.000 Now over the course of this show we've talked a lot about how independent voices are now emerging and exposing entrenched establishment corruption that is clearly bipartisan.

00:45:33.000 We used Tucker's takedown of Mike Pence It has a jumping off point to discuss exactly this phenomena.

00:45:39.000 You are going to love this presentation.

00:45:42.000 Let me know if you're enjoying it during the chat and the comments.

00:45:44.000 Here's the news.

00:45:45.000 No.

00:45:46.000 Here's the effing news.

00:45:48.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News.

00:45:50.000 No. Here's the fucking news. 1.00

00:45:52.000 Tucker and former VP Mike Pence quarrelling about the Ukraine-Russia conflict 0.99

00:46:00.000 while NATO says expansion into Asia is inevitable.

00:46:04.000 Who's gonna fund all this expansion?

00:46:07.000 You are!

00:46:10.000 Tucker Carlson, friend of the show, had a debate with every one of the Republican presidential candidates, but the one that's most interesting, perhaps, let me know if you agree in the comments, is the one with Mike Pence, where Mike Pence advocated for further spending on the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

00:46:24.000 Of course the Ukrainian people should be protected at all costs, but wouldn't the best way to do that be by bringing an end to the war?

00:46:30.000 Let's see what Tucker and Mike said before getting into some fantastic journalism from Chris Hedges and understanding NATO expansionism, war expenditure, where the money comes from, and where these forever wars are going to lead us.

00:46:41.000 Along the way, the Biden administration has been slow in providing military support.

00:46:46.000 Some interesting facial expressions.

00:46:48.000 They're looking around.

00:46:49.000 On the way, the Biden administration has been slow.

00:46:52.000 They haven't been slow.

00:46:52.000 They've been churning billions in there.

00:46:54.000 Isn't it like the most money that's ever been spent on this war?

00:46:57.000 Make no mistake about this, we promised them 33 Abrams tanks in January.

00:47:01.000 I heard again two weeks ago in Ukraine, they still don't have them.

00:47:05.000 We've been telling them we'll train their F-16 pilots, but now they're saying maybe

00:47:08.000 January we'll let somebody transfer some jets.

00:47:11.000 I'm sorry, Mr. Vice President, have you, I know you're running for president.

00:47:15.000 You are distressed that the Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks.

00:47:21.000 Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years.

00:47:26.000 Drive around.

00:47:27.000 There's not one city that's gotten better in the United States.

00:47:30.000 And it's visible.

00:47:32.000 Our economy has degraded.

00:47:34.000 The suicide rate has jumped.

00:47:36.000 Public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased.

00:47:41.000 And yet, your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map, who've received tens of billions of US tax dollars, don't have enough tanks.

00:47:51.000 Tucker is making the key point.

00:47:53.000 What business is it of the United States of America and the American people to continue and perpetuate this conflict?

00:48:01.000 Of course there is a duty of solidarity around the world, between the world's people, But how do we see that practiced elsewhere?

00:48:08.000 It isn't, is it?

00:48:10.000 That's clearly not the motivation.

00:48:12.000 Anyone, anyone in politics, anyone in finance, who sits in a public forum and says, this war is about the support of Ukrainian people, I believe is just lying.

00:48:21.000 And Tucker raises this significant point.

00:48:24.000 Who, in American politics, elected officials there to represent the American people, has the authority to take American tax dollars and funnel it primarily towards the weapons industry.

00:48:36.000 The Pentagon can't pass an audit.

00:48:39.000 Many of these weapons can't be accurately tracked.

00:48:42.000 Some of these weapons have ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

00:48:46.000 This is a significant area of inquiry.

00:48:49.000 To hear Mike Pence, a representative of the Republicans, who's supposed to be opposing the establishment,

00:48:56.000 singing from the exact same hymn sheet of the Biden administration,

00:49:00.000 tells us something significant about American politics.

00:49:03.000 Both sides, when it comes to it, support the same mechanisms,

00:49:07.000 support the same objectives and agenda.

00:49:10.000 And astonishingly, Ridiculously, it isn't the support and representation of the American people.

00:49:17.000 They don't seem to really care.

00:49:19.000 Or in the case of Mike Pence there, even seem to realise that that is the tack that Tucker's gonna take.

00:49:24.000 Tucker Carlson's success is built upon reading the room that is the United States of America, recognising that the majority of American people might think, well, What are we doing here in America?

00:49:35.000 We know there's wars all over the world.

00:49:37.000 We know there's atrocities all over the world.

00:49:39.000 Some of them have been perpetuated using our taxpayer dollars, historically and contemporaneously.

00:49:44.000 So why are we suddenly all righteous about this conflict?

00:49:49.000 Is there another agenda at play?

00:49:51.000 I think it's a fair question to ask, like, where's the concern for the United States in that?

00:49:55.000 Well, it's not my concern.

00:49:58.000 Well, mate, it should be.

00:49:59.000 If you're running for the President of the United States of America, you're not running for the President of Ukraine, you're running for the Presidency of the United States of America.

00:50:06.000 That's not my concern.

00:50:07.000 Isn't this odd?

00:50:08.000 Like, I'm not actually a super pro-nationalist person either.

00:50:12.000 I believe in devolution of power wherever possible.

00:50:14.000 I think we've been hoodwinked and conned by patriotism.

00:50:17.000 I think that service people that have given their lives for their nation have done a bold and brave thing.

00:50:23.000 And their bravery and courage has been disgracefully misused for military, financial, globalist objectives.

00:50:31.000 And that has been going on for a lot longer in the United States of America.

00:50:34.000 And my little old country is probably one of the great engineers of the model.

00:50:38.000 But at least if you're representing your nation, you are representing the people whose tax dollars or tax wealth you are accumulating.

00:50:46.000 Can you see how delirious they are?

00:50:47.000 They don't even have a connection to the obvious fact that it is their job to run the treasury of a particular nation in accordance with the will of the people of that nation.

00:50:56.000 Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern.

00:51:01.000 I'm running for President of the United States because I think this country's in a lot of trouble.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, I think Tucker Carlson is saying that America is in a lot of trouble, and perhaps he's in a lot of trouble, because instead of representing the interests of American people, it's representing the interests of the military-industrial complex, big pharma, big tech, and that the political class has been long co-op by corporate and financial interests that you can safely

00:51:23.000 call global because they don't significantly or sufficiently pay taxes in the

00:51:27.000 countries in which they operate. They frequently receive subsidies, I'm talking

00:51:31.000 about big food and big agriculture, from the countries in which they operate

00:51:35.000 and the guiding principle is not what is best for American people, all

00:51:39.000 American people, but what can we do to extract public wealth and funnel it

00:51:44.000 towards private interests and the number one answer to that question seems to be war.

00:51:48.000 And to further augment this globalist agenda and to create a bureaucratic

00:51:53.000 structure to facilitate more global conflict, NATO wants to expand.

00:51:58.000 Senators Dan Sullivan, Republican Arkansas, and Tammy Duckworth, Democrat Illinois, agreed on Sunday that NATO expansion into Asia was inevitable.

00:52:08.000 What about the lack of democracy in that statement?

00:52:10.000 It's inevitable.

00:52:11.000 You fund NATO, but it's inevitable.

00:52:13.000 You're not like, well, would you like that or not?

00:52:15.000 As the Western military alliance increasingly has its eyes on China.

00:52:18.000 That's good news, because China, like Russia, are a real pushover nation when it comes to wars. 0.97

00:52:24.000 Historically, they haven't, like, beaten off Mongols and conquered Japan and even now are amassing a mighty global army.

00:52:30.000 I'm not sure that Chinese expansionism is a legitimate threat to the West.

00:52:34.000 I don't know enough about it, but it seems that they're pretty regionalised in their thinking.

00:52:37.000 Again, I don't know enough about it, but I listen to people like Jeffrey Sachs who do know a lot about this stuff.

00:52:42.000 Expanding into their territory is the very kind of thing that might provoke them.

00:52:45.000 And has anything like that happened recently?

00:52:47.000 Oh yeah, the war we're in right now.

00:52:49.000 Both senators made the comments on NBC's Meet the Press.

00:52:52.000 Meet the Press, funded by Pfizer, I assume.

00:52:55.000 When asked by host Chuck Todd if NATO expanding into Asia was inevitable, Sullen replied, I think it is, and I think it was a positive summit.

00:53:02.000 Well, that's the news, everyone.

00:53:04.000 We're going to have another war against an undefeatable nation.

00:53:07.000 Goodnight.

00:53:08.000 No.

00:53:08.000 Here's some analysis from Pulitzer Prize-winning conspiracy theorist Chris Hedges, who in a proper and sensible world would be lauded as an elder and as a wise person of our global tribe who could warn us of the direction we're heading in based on what he's investigated previously.

00:53:24.000 But in our culture, he's regarded as some nutjob whose content gets pulled off the internet.

00:53:29.000 That's how crazy it's become.

00:53:30.000 The Russian invasion of Ukraine was a war crime, although one that was provoked by NATO expansion.

00:53:35.000 Already Chris Hedges is explaining to us that two things can be true simultaneously.

00:53:40.000 The invasion was a war crime. 0.88

00:53:42.000 It's not like you have to go, I love Russia and they should be able to do what they want.

00:53:45.000 But it was provoked by NATO.

00:53:47.000 Oh, that's how it happened.

00:53:48.000 Now I'm a bit cleverer.

00:53:50.000 And by the United States backing of the 2014 Maidan coup, which ousted the democratically elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

00:53:57.000 Yanukovych wanted economic integration with the European Union, but not at the expense of economic and political ties with Russia.

00:54:04.000 The war will only be solved through negotiations that allow ethnic Russians in Ukraine to have autonomy and Moscow's protection, as well as Ukrainian neutrality, which means the country cannot join NATO.

00:54:15.000 The longer these negotiations are delayed, the more Ukrainians will suffer and die. 1.00

00:54:19.000 Their cities and infrastructure will continue to be pounded into rubble.

00:54:23.000 That shouldn't be a controversial statement.

00:54:26.000 That seems to me to be an accurate diagnosis.

00:54:30.000 Ukraine can't join NATO because Russia do have a voice in the world and there are ethnic Russians living in Ukraine and they want autonomy and an affinity with Moscow.

00:54:41.000 If that can be achieved, what's the problem?

00:54:44.000 I'm sure, as with all geopolitical issues and regional disputes with long, old, historic roots, there will be complexity.

00:54:54.000 But we're not talking about how do we achieve perfection.

00:54:57.000 We're talking about, is there something better than what's happening now?

00:55:01.000 The deaths of thousands of Ukrainians daily, the squandering of American tax dollars, the increasing tension and destabilisation of our planet. 1.00

00:55:10.000 Could we improve on that?

00:55:12.000 Maybe.

00:55:13.000 But this proxy war in Ukraine is designed to serve US interests.

00:55:16.000 That's already been publicly admitted by Mitch McConnell.

00:55:19.000 The most basic reasons for continuing to help Ukraine degrade and defeat the Russian invaders are cold, hard, practical American interests.

00:55:28.000 It enriches the weapons manufacturers, weakens the Russian military, and isolates Russia from Europe.

00:55:34.000 What happens to Ukraine is irrelevant.

00:55:35.000 That's the cold, hard truth.

00:55:37.000 Do you not imagine that conversations happen where they go, yeah, but what about all those Ukrainians that were dying in the war?

00:55:41.000 Yeah, but if we say it's for Ukrainian interests, then surely it's up to them. 0.82

00:55:45.000 Ukrainians are a proud, patriotic people, and they have historic enmity with Russia.

00:55:50.000 They will fight this war.

00:55:52.000 This is the kind of statement that shows you how globalist, corporatist politics really works.

00:55:57.000 This is an insight into the mindset of the people that make these decisions.

00:56:01.000 First, equipping our friends on the front lines to defend themselves is a far cheaper way, in both dollars and American lives, to degrade Russia's ability to threaten the United States, admitted Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell.

00:56:13.000 Second, Ukraine's effective defence of its territory is teaching us lessons about how to improve the defences of partners who are threatened by China.

00:56:21.000 It is no surprise that senior officials from Taiwan are so supportive of the efforts to help Ukraine defeat Russia.

00:56:28.000 Third, most of the money that's been appropriated for Ukraine's security assistance doesn't actually go to Ukraine.

00:56:34.000 It gets invested in American defence manufacturing.

00:56:37.000 This is not investigative reporting from detractors of the war.

00:56:40.000 This is the voice of the people that are perpetuating the war explaining to you what they're doing.

00:56:46.000 Remember the era when it was just flags on windows, the yellow and blue bit?

00:56:49.000 That's gone now, hasn't it?

00:56:50.000 We're not doing that anymore.

00:56:51.000 Support Ukraine, support Ukraine.

00:56:52.000 Because that was only necessary to get you over the hump, to establish the principle, we're spending your tax dollars on this war.

00:56:59.000 Why?

00:56:59.000 Humanitarianism, suffering children, children.

00:57:02.000 Once they've got you there, then you're just there now, aren't you?

00:57:02.000 Which is all true.

00:57:05.000 How many times have they done that?

00:57:06.000 Once they establish the principle, it's like as if it's a pipeline.

00:57:10.000 Once the pipeline's established, the fuel or the revenue or whatever's required, your tax dollars can flow.

00:57:15.000 Then it has to be disrupted.

00:57:16.000 Could get the Navy Seals to blow up the pipeline, I suppose.

00:57:19.000 Ukrainians.

00:57:19.000 Not Navy Seals.

00:57:20.000 Finnish.

00:57:20.000 Danish.

00:57:21.000 I don't know. 0.97

00:57:21.000 Someone should blow up that pipeline, though. 0.97

00:57:23.000 It funds new weapons and munitions for the US Armed Forces to replace the older material we've provided to Ukraine.

00:57:29.000 Let me be clear.

00:57:30.000 This assistance means more jobs for American workers and newer weapons for American service members.

00:57:35.000 But American workers and American service members are not the object.

00:57:40.000 This war is not about how can we help American workers, or American service members, or Ukrainian people.

00:57:45.000 It's about the generation of profits and dominion over Russia. 0.78

00:57:49.000 Once the truth about these endless wars seeps into public consciousness, the media, which slavishly promotes these conflicts, drastically reduces coverage.

00:57:58.000 At the beginning, when they're popularizing it, they cover it.

00:57:58.000 Wow.

00:58:01.000 Then when people start to go, is this good that I'm paying for this?

00:58:03.000 Wow, once we start waking up, hey, are they taking our money?

00:58:05.000 They'd stop talking about it altogether.

00:58:07.000 War?

00:58:07.000 What war?

00:58:08.000 Have you seen the new Indiana Jones film?

00:58:10.000 The military debacles, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, continue, largely out of view.

00:58:10.000 No.

00:58:16.000 By the time the US concedes defeat, most barely remember that these wars are being fought.

00:58:20.000 Chris Hedges is someone who's been through this many, many times.

00:58:23.000 You can almost hear his weariness in explaining to you.

00:58:26.000 Do you remember Afghanistan?

00:58:27.000 No, no, what do you mean Afghanistan?

00:58:29.000 Iraq? 0.57

00:58:30.000 Do you remember Iraq?

00:58:31.000 Remember?

00:58:31.000 What?

00:58:31.000 Iraq?

00:58:32.000 Always.

00:58:33.000 You remember the system.

00:58:35.000 This is that.

00:58:36.000 This is not another thing.

00:58:37.000 You know what we used to do?

00:58:38.000 We're not doing that now.

00:58:39.000 We have actually become the thing we said we was that time.

00:58:41.000 You know, it's a humanitarian conflict, we're helping people.

00:58:44.000 Idi Usain, the son of Saddam Hussein is bad, or the Taliban, all that. 0.96

00:58:48.000 This is just a new version of that.

00:58:49.000 How many times do we have to go through the process of being told we're in a humanitarian war Realising it's for a profit, that the motivations for the war weren't actually there in the first place, it all gets botched, it's horrible, it's a mess, everything's worse than before it.

00:59:01.000 Then we do it again!

00:59:02.000 How appealing are these stickers on windows?

00:59:05.000 The pimps of war, who orchestrate these military fiascos, migrate from administration to administration.

00:59:11.000 Between posts, they are ensconced in think tanks.

00:59:14.000 Projects for the New American Century, American Enterprise Institute, Foreign Policy Initiative, Institute for the Study of War, the Atlantic Council, and the Brookings Institute, funded by corporations and the war industry.

00:59:26.000 Once the Ukraine war comes to its inevitable conclusions, these Dr. Strange loves will seek to ignite a war with China. 0.92

00:59:33.000 Navy and military are already menacing and encircling China.

00:59:33.000 The U.S.

00:59:37.000 God help us if we don't stop them.

00:59:38.000 Hopefully, God will help us now.

00:59:40.000 But God has no hands but ours.

00:59:42.000 It will ultimately require our Opposition to these ongoing wars to prevent them.

00:59:46.000 These pimps of war con us into one conflict after another with flattering narratives that paint us as the world's saviours.

00:59:53.000 They don't even have to be innovative.

00:59:55.000 The rhetoric is lifted from the old playbook.

00:59:58.000 We naively swallow the bait and embrace the flag, this time blue and yellow, to become unwitting agents in our self-immolation.

01:00:05.000 Since the end of the Second World War, the government has spent between 45 to 90% of the federal budget on past, current, and future military operations.

01:00:13.000 It is the largest sustained activity of the U.S.

01:00:16.000 It's the main thing the U.S.

01:00:16.000 government.

01:00:17.000 government does.

01:00:18.000 Like, when Tucker asks that question, like, shouldn't we do something about our cities and our collapsing social institutions?

01:00:24.000 The answer is, no, we shouldn't, because our business is war, then distracting you from that war by making you focus on the opposing other one of two teams that you could be supporting.

01:00:35.000 No, it's because both are doing that in Russia and China and Afghanistan and Iraq and the list goes on and on and on.

01:00:38.000 Chris Hedges is digging pimps of war, isn't he?

01:00:40.000 It's because both are doing that in Russia and China and Afghanistan and Iraq and the 0.63

01:00:45.000 list goes on and on and on.

01:00:46.000 It has stopped mattering, at least to the pimps of war. 0.84

01:00:49.000 Chris Hedges is digging pimps of war, isn't he?

01:00:51.000 I'm going to keep writing that.

01:00:52.000 Whether these wars are rational or prudent, the war industry metastasizes within the bowels

01:00:57.000 of the American empire to hollow it out from the inside.

01:01:00.000 The US is reviled abroad, drowning in debt, has an impoverished working class and is burdened with a decayed infrastructure as well as shoddy social services. 0.97

01:01:09.000 So Chris Hedges there, who was until everything went crazy regarded as a liberal journalist and used to work for the New York Times, that's when he won his Pulitzer Prize, now believes the same thing as Tucker Carlson.

01:01:20.000 The world has changed.

01:01:21.000 Wasn't the Russian military, because of poor morale, poor generalship, outdated weapons, desertions, a lack of ammunition that supposedly forced soldiers to fight with shovels and severe supply shortages, supposed to collapse months ago?

01:01:34.000 Wasn't Putin supposed to be driven from power?

01:01:36.000 Weren't the sanctions supposed to plunge the ruble into a death spiral?

01:01:40.000 Wasn't the severing of the Russian banking system from SWIFT, the international money transfer system, supposed to cripple the Russian economy?

01:01:48.000 How is it the inflation rates in Europe and the United States are higher than in Russia despite these attacks on the Russian economy?

01:01:54.000 Wasn't the nearly $150 billion in sophisticated military hardware, financial and humanitarian assistance pledged by the US, EU and 11 other countries supposed to have turned the tide of the war?

01:02:05.000 How is it that perhaps a third of the tanks Germany and the US provided were swiftly turned by Russian mines, artillery, anti-tank weapons, airstrikes and missiles into charred hunks of metal at the start of the vaunted counter-offensive?

01:02:18.000 You never really hear about stuff like that, do you?

01:02:19.000 You just hear about, we're providing.

01:02:20.000 We say, look at Mike Pence.

01:02:22.000 Send him more tanks.

01:02:23.000 They're just blowing him up, mate.

01:02:23.000 What do you think they're going to do with these tanks?

01:02:26.000 We're in Moscow now.

01:02:27.000 It's all cool.

01:02:28.000 It's not going to happen, is it?

01:02:29.000 It's just more fodder for the machine.

01:02:31.000 Mike Pence is a company man for the military-industrial complex, no?

01:02:34.000 I guess he was drafted in for Trump to make Trump seem more like, Trump's normal.

01:02:38.000 Look, he's next to this career guy.

01:02:39.000 But on his own, you can see him for what he is, just an advocate for the perpetuation of business as usual.

01:02:45.000 Wasn't this latest Ukrainian counter-offensive, which was originally known as the Spring Offensive, supposed to punch through Russia's heavily fortified front lines and regain huge swathes of territory?

01:02:55.000 I had to change the name of it.

01:02:57.000 Guys, the problem with the Spring Offensive is it's winter now and the offensive is still not working.

01:03:02.000 Just call it the Counter Offensive!

01:03:04.000 Or even better yet, the Christmas Offensive!

01:03:06.000 Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way!

01:03:10.000 Oh what fun it is to find wars in which Ukrainians are slayed!

01:03:14.000 Hey! 0.99

01:03:15.000 How can we explain the tens of thousands of Ukrainian military casualties and the forced conscription by Ukraine's military?

01:03:21.000 Even our retired generals and former CIA, FBI, NSA and Homeland Security officials who serve as analysts on networks such as CNN and MSNBC can't say the offensive has succeeded.

01:03:31.000 And what of the Ukrainian democracy we're fighting to protect?

01:03:34.000 Why did the Ukrainian parliament revoke the official use of minority languages, including Russian?

01:03:39.000 Are we the baddies' hands?

01:03:40.000 That's why questions can't be asked anymore, isn't it?

01:03:42.000 That's why we live in this regimen of global censorship.

01:03:43.000 rationalized the eight years of warfare against ethnic Russians in the Donbass region before the Russian invasion

01:03:49.000 in February 2022.

01:03:50.000 That's why questions can't be asked anymore, isn't it?

01:03:52.000 That's why we live in this regimen of global censorship, because the ability to ask questions

01:03:57.000 prevents this kind of centralized corruption.

01:04:00.000 Do you think the people that benefit from these wars are really censoring social media spaces because they don't

01:04:06.000 want your feelings to be hurt?

01:04:08.000 Do you think so?

01:04:09.000 These people that perpetuate this kind of economic modality that requires death in order to function are like, the problem is...

01:04:16.000 People are being rude about trans people. 0.86

01:04:19.000 I don't mind wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, perpetual war funding them, ineptitude in the Pentagon, death everywhere, journalists being slaughtered and murdered if it suits our ends.

01:04:29.000 But one thing I will not stand is people that are neither male nor female being abused.

01:04:35.000 That's where we draw the line.

01:04:36.000 In fact, can we have a war on that?

01:04:37.000 How do we explain the killing of over 14,200 people and the 1.5 million people who were displaced before Russia's invasion took place last year?

01:04:45.000 All these things have to be explained.

01:04:46.000 All these things have to be explained.

01:04:47.000 If you can't explain them, you can't have this war.

01:04:50.000 Not under the auspices of righteousness, anyway.

01:04:53.000 Hello, Vladimir!

01:04:57.000 Hello, Vladimir!

01:04:59.000 That's not democracy, is it?

01:05:01.000 The banning of opposition parties?

01:05:03.000 How can we accept the banning of these opposition parties, many of which are on the left?

01:05:07.000 Ooh, that's not very liberal.

01:05:08.000 Yes, it doesn't make sense, does it?

01:05:09.000 When you ask the questions, it doesn't make sense.

01:05:11.000 So stop asking the questions.

01:05:11.000 and right sector parties as well as the Bandar-i-Azov battalion and other extremist militias to flourish.

01:05:17.000 Yes, it doesn't make sense, does it? When you ask the questions, it doesn't make sense.

01:05:21.000 So stop asking the questions. And soon, once all these censorship laws are passed,

01:05:25.000 we'll be able to stop you asking the questions.

01:05:28.000 Phew.

01:05:29.000 So there won't be any questions about that war against China to protect plucky Taiwan.

01:05:33.000 I'm just sick of the way Taiwanese people are being treated, aren't you? 1.00

01:05:36.000 In fact, would you like some of my money now to stop that war?

01:05:39.000 Or we don't have that war yet, but still on the last one.

01:05:41.000 I'll just give you the money in advance.

01:05:43.000 How do we deal with the anti-Russian purges and the arrests of supposed fifth columnists sweeping through Ukraine, given that 30% of Ukraine's inhabitants Are Russian speakers?

01:05:52.000 How do we respond to the neo-Nazi groups supported by Zelensky's government that harass and attack the LGBT community, the Roma population, anti-fascist protests, and threaten city council members, media outlets, artists, and foreign students?

01:06:06.000 Oh dear, it doesn't make sense, does it, if you ask questions?

01:06:08.000 Well then, stop!

01:06:09.000 Asking questions!

01:06:11.000 How can we countenance the decision by the US and its Western allies to block negotiations with Russia to end the war despite Kiev and Moscow apparently being on the verge of negotiating a peace treaty?

01:06:21.000 These questions are difficult to answer.

01:06:22.000 The Russian invasion of Ukraine would not have happened if the Western alliance had honoured its promises not to expand NATO beyond Germany's borders and Ukraine had remained neutral.

01:06:31.000 The pimps of war knew the potential consequences of NATO expansion.

01:06:35.000 So there you are.

01:06:45.000 You've witnessed a conversation between Tucker Carlson and Mike Pence, in which Mike Pence seems blind and blithering, almost a new Joe Biden in the waiting, one might argue, slightly more articulate for now.

01:06:57.000 And Chris Hedges has explained to us the true motivations for this conflict and has listed the unanswerable questions that, if pondered, lead you to the conclusion that the motivation for this conflict is dominion and financial advantage.

01:07:12.000 It is not humanitarian.

01:07:14.000 It never was, it never has been, and it never will be.

01:07:17.000 And there will be more wars.

01:07:19.000 And there will be less questions.

01:07:21.000 More unanswered questions due to the censorship bills that are being passed everywhere.

01:07:26.000 Can you not see the building blocks of globalist tyranny being heaved into space as if we are now a planet of Israelites building the pyramid But that's just what I think.

01:07:37.000 Until next time, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 19, 2023

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