Stay Free - Russel Brand - HOLY SH*T…US Senator CONFIRMS Existence Of UFOs In America?! - #157 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 I'm sure you're ready for the world to see you.

00:00:04.000 You're a girl with a great heart.

00:00:17.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 0.97

00:00:24.000 All of your life's taken off I'm just an old man, black man

00:00:28.000 And I could never be a better man On this stage, you're a special someone

00:00:33.000 I want to hold you So I'm looking for the steel

00:00:37.000 I'm looking for the steel You're a girl with a great heart

00:00:41.000 I'm gonna do the kick first. 0.52

00:00:44.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:52.000 Oi oi!

00:00:53.000 Alright, you awakening wonders, thanks for joining us.

00:00:56.000 We've got so much to talk about today on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:59.000 A rumble show, that means speech is free here.

00:01:03.000 We ain't interested in disinformation.

00:01:05.000 We ain't interested in hate speech.

00:01:06.000 We're only interested in anti-establishment takes on stories that you might hear elsewhere, but from a different perspective.

00:01:13.000 Like today.

00:01:14.000 We're talking about the US using the Russian coup to push more Ukraine aid.

00:01:18.000 Oh, oh, what, you need more money?

00:01:19.000 Because that bloke momentarily dressed up, got in a tank, mouthed off a little bit.

00:01:23.000 We've got Marco Rubio's first-hand account of UFOs.

00:01:26.000 The Senate is talking about this stuff, Gareth.

00:01:28.000 You'd have to be the coldest-heartedest on-screen assistant on Earth not to have your cockles warmed by such a tale.

00:01:37.000 I enjoyed your unique summary of the Russian coup there.

00:01:40.000 Oi, oi! 0.99

00:01:41.000 A geezer dressed up, mouthed off a bit.

00:01:43.000 That's right!

00:01:44.000 This is the news!

00:01:45.000 And once we're off YouTube, you're watching us on YouTube right now, you're watching us on Twitter right now.

00:01:49.000 Well, we're going to appear here for a little while, or gut bucket, or whatever social media destination you find yourself, but we'll be exclusively on Rumble, home of free speech, talking about What I call one of Rumble's favourite sons.

00:02:01.000 He may have once belonged to the Kennedy dynasty, RFK, but now he belongs to the Rumble family, a family where free speech is protected.

00:02:09.000 I don't think there's ever been anything in his family history where free speech has led to any tragedies at all.

00:02:16.000 Also, we've got a fantastic story regarding the leaked audio of Donald Trump.

00:02:22.000 We're looking at it in depth, we're giving you a perspective on it that's going to knock your bloody knickers off.

00:02:27.000 But let's get into the, what I call, an unusual take on the normal news right now.

00:02:33.000 Do you know, hold on, before this though, I just want to say, I've become, I'm getting more friendly with RFK by the day.

00:02:38.000 No, I know you are.

00:02:39.000 Many of you would have seen earlier in the week when I did one of my ill-advised on-screen messages.

00:02:45.000 Let me know in the comments in the chat, if you're watching us on Rumble now, press the red button, join us on Locals.

00:02:49.000 Let us know if you saw that moment where I, I think I took my top off.

00:02:52.000 I don't know what's wrong with me.

00:02:53.000 I think you definitely did.

00:02:54.000 I took off the top.

00:02:54.000 I took it off.

00:02:55.000 I don't know why.

00:02:56.000 Say goodbye to these guys, because it's the last you'll see of them!

00:03:01.000 And then I got into sort of RFK and that, and then I messaged RFK, and I said like, oh, you know, let's do a push-up competition.

00:03:07.000 Anyway, he's come back.

00:03:08.000 We've got to do a pull-up competition. 0.92

00:03:09.000 I think you said a topless collaboration at one point.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, and I suppose that was, as you said at the time, Gareth, a misleading choice of words.

00:03:17.000 Yes.

00:03:18.000 Anyway, he's... It worked.

00:03:19.000 He's into it.

00:03:20.000 And so what we're going to do is we're going to raise money for his campaign in a pull-up competition.

00:03:23.000 Obviously, Gareth, I'm concerned I'm going to lose to RFK.

00:03:26.000 I'm not concerned about how much you're going to raise.

00:03:30.000 I hope it's a lot.

00:03:31.000 It's gotta be!

00:03:33.000 We don't want the headline to be, Russell Brand made $50.

00:03:37.000 Russell Brand, weak upper body.

00:03:41.000 And lost.

00:03:42.000 No back strength.

00:03:43.000 Beaten by elderly gentleman.

00:03:45.000 Defeats brand in feats of strength.

00:03:49.000 I know, mate.

00:03:50.000 I'm thinking, and I don't know if I'm allowed to say this on YouTube, I'm thinking of juicing.

00:03:54.000 I think you could say that.

00:03:54.000 You know?

00:03:55.000 Juicing?

00:03:56.000 I don't mean juicing as in green juice, celery.

00:03:58.000 I'm thinking of juicing.

00:04:00.000 Oh, I see.

00:04:01.000 You know, but is it the only jab RFK would consider taking?

00:04:06.000 Bit of steroids, get myself ready for the contest.

00:04:10.000 Is it ever right to juice?

00:04:11.000 I don't know.

00:04:12.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:04:12.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:04:14.000 I can't lose to RFK.

00:04:15.000 There's money to be made here, not for us, but for a campaign for freedom of speech, a campaign for RFK.

00:04:20.000 Let us know what you think about RFK.

00:04:21.000 Anyway, we'll get into that in more depth off YouTube, because he's been banned again from YouTube, and we love our 6.4 million Awakening Wonders over there.

00:04:28.000 We're confused as to how that number has frozen.

00:04:31.000 Shadow banned?

00:04:32.000 Shadow banned much, did they?

00:04:33.000 Hmm?

00:04:35.000 What's the name?

00:04:35.000 Didn't they?

00:04:36.000 Hmm?

00:04:37.000 Haven't it?

00:04:38.000 So listen, what about them hawks in Congress saying that Purgosian rebellion should mean more Ukraine aid?

00:04:44.000 I think anything that happens they'll say that should mean more Ukraine aid and if you

00:04:47.000 are Ukrainian I love you and your country should not be torn apart by war and the failure

00:04:52.000 of this counter offensive I think lays solely at the feet of NATO and the American military

00:04:57.000 industrial complex.

00:04:58.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree with that.

00:05:02.000 But why?

00:05:03.000 How are they justifying the Purgosian rebellion leading to more Ukraine aid?

00:05:07.000 Because either way it's going to lead to more military aid isn't it?

00:05:11.000 Obviously the media have said this was a huge success, this destabilised Russia, this embarrassed Putin, this is why we need to keep going in the manner that we have done.

00:05:19.000 Even though, as we've talked about with our NATO and Jeffrey Sachs this week, the counter-offensive has not been successful, it's been losing a thousand Ukrainian lives a day, it's been a bloodbath as reported in some sections of the news, even though in the media they'll report things very differently.

00:05:34.000 Look how they reported it straight away.

00:05:36.000 This is literally an hour after that coup when it wasn't plain or clear at all how it should be analysed or what, if any, conclusions could be drawn from it.

00:05:45.000 Russia looks increasingly medieval after the coup that wasn't. 0.65

00:05:49.000 We've got a fantastic story for you later in the week that describes how many of the lockdown measures literally leaned into Medieval science, which is oxymoronic.

00:05:57.000 You didn't have science in the medieval times.

00:05:59.000 Putin's weaknesses laid bare, as well as his lovely chest, after 24 hours of rebellion in Russia.

00:06:06.000 Well, that sounds like a sort of good name for a tour.

00:06:08.000 Bizarre and chaotic 36 hours in Russia feels like the beginning of the end for Putin.

00:06:13.000 So there's the media utilizing that event to convey a story that It's possibly dubious that it is a demonstration of Putin's instability and infallibility.

00:06:25.000 Oh, fallibility, excuse me.

00:06:26.000 And the military-industrial complex, you know, and their allies in the media, immediately reached the conclusion, the best thing to do here, the best thing to do is to send a bunch of weapons to Ukraine, Mexico, who knows where they'll end up, 70% of them can't be tracked, another audit failed by the Pentagon, they're people that need another 6.8 billion in expenditure, aren't they?

00:06:45.000 Yeah, it's not the beginning of the end for the arms industry, isn't it?

00:06:48.000 So, like, three arms industry lobbyists have told Politico, mainstream news, that they believe the progrossion uprising will help hawks argue for a supplemental spending package for the Pentagon and Ukraine.

00:06:57.000 We already know that with the deal that they did with the debt ceiling, that emergency funding was not affected by the debt ceiling deal that they did, and that this £113 billion that's already been spent on the war can just continue.

00:07:09.000 Are you sickened by this?

00:07:10.000 Let me know in the chat. 0.94

00:07:11.000 I'm bloody well sickened by it.

00:07:12.000 I've had just about enough.

00:07:14.000 Yeah, they've told Politico, have they, that they're going to use this for yet more dollars.

00:07:17.000 Let me know how you feel about that.

00:07:19.000 Next story is your friend and mine, Nancy Pelosi.

00:07:22.000 Her husband's just snapped up $2.6 million of Apple and Microsoft stock.

00:07:26.000 Now, I know there are literal apps that allow you to emulate Pelosi's stock trading.

00:07:31.000 Seems like it's potentially a bloody good idea.

00:07:34.000 It's a good way to beat the market, follow the Pelosi's.

00:07:38.000 I've done very well.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, so this is like 50 call options that Paul Pelosi has exercised, which he purchased in May 2022 and has now exercised those.

00:07:49.000 He's kind of cashing in on those options.

00:07:51.000 And since he's done that, obviously, can you imagine they've climbed 33% in Apple shares and 29% in Microsoft shares.

00:07:58.000 So that's another few millions to add to the Pelosi's coffers.

00:08:03.000 Says here that buying and selling an Apple accounted for 17% over 70% of the Pelosi's overall trading volume.

00:08:09.000 And yet during the same period, Pelosi held at least one private conversation with Apple CEO Tim Cook about the state of Apple and possible effects on the company from various pending bills to reform Silicon Valley.

00:08:20.000 So Eva, let me know in the comments which you think it is.

00:08:24.000 Is Pelosi some kind of like Two-faced Harvey Dent, schizophrenic figure, who's having one conversation with Tim Cook.

00:08:31.000 Oh, this is what we're going to be doing at Apple.

00:08:33.000 There's old Paul Pelosi.

00:08:33.000 She goes home.

00:08:35.000 Is he a burglar or what is he?

00:08:35.000 Who's this?

00:08:36.000 Who's this person in the house?

00:08:37.000 Allegedly.

00:08:38.000 Get him out the door! 0.97

00:08:39.000 Oh, bring him back in again!

00:08:40.000 Allegedly.

00:08:41.000 Get him back out again! 0.91

00:08:42.000 Don't let him near the tool kit, for God's sake!

00:08:45.000 One minute she was with Tim Cook, having a conversation about Apple.

00:08:47.000 She gets home.

00:08:49.000 What's it you do again, Paul?

00:08:50.000 Oh, you know, trading stocks and that.

00:08:51.000 What did you do at work?

00:08:53.000 Not much who to chat to.

00:08:55.000 Tim Cook from Apple, what do you say?

00:08:57.000 My job business is I let a burglar back in the house! 0.99

00:09:01.000 You'll get another clump, son!

00:09:02.000 Hey, I'm not saying that that's what went on.

00:09:05.000 I would feel physically sick if anyone assumed that that was my take on this ridiculous story, but given that we're living in a crazy old world where even Marco Rubio has admitted to being briefed First hand, first hand on the retrieval of UFOs, it's impossible to know almost which way's up.

00:09:23.000 There's a psychedelic revolution.

00:09:25.000 There's a UFO revolution.

00:09:27.000 The mainstream media is collapsing.

00:09:28.000 It's economic model is falling apart.

00:09:31.000 Centralist authoritarian models are doubling down as we told you yesterday.

00:09:35.000 Elon Musk's real battle, ain't with Mark Zuckerberg, is with the censorship industrial complex.

00:09:40.000 And remember, later this week we're gonna exclusively, you should sign up for this, Exclusively show you me, Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger, and a very surprising special guest.

00:09:49.000 Perhaps the person who's been most impacted by the censorship industrial complex.

00:09:52.000 You're not gonna want to miss it.

00:09:54.000 That's on Friday.

00:09:55.000 It was a brilliant show yesterday.

00:09:57.000 Although in some ways it was marred by the conduct of the man next to me.

00:10:01.000 A man who swore he'd never take his top off.

00:10:03.000 Yet, during yesterday's show, did precisely that.

00:10:07.000 In a bizarre throwdown.

00:10:09.000 To RFK.

00:10:11.000 There's nowt as queer as folk, as they say in the north of England, where you're of course from. 0.97

00:10:15.000 I am, yes.

00:10:16.000 Shall we get back to the Marco Rubio story?

00:10:18.000 I don't- I never- Gareth, I never left it.

00:10:21.000 I've been looking at Marco Rubio.

00:10:23.000 Look at his little face.

00:10:23.000 I'm looking at him now.

00:10:24.000 He's squinting.

00:10:25.000 He's got a very full mouth.

00:10:27.000 Little Marco.

00:10:27.000 What did he call him?

00:10:28.000 That was Trump's little Marco.

00:10:31.000 But he's got a hell of a mouth on him.

00:10:32.000 You made an observation about the plants inside and outside of his house.

00:10:36.000 This is an important observation.

00:10:38.000 Don't get distracted, because I know you lot, you think that UFO stuff's a distraction, don't you?

00:10:42.000 Let us know in the chat.

00:10:43.000 I think it's hypocal.

00:10:44.000 I think it sees me.

00:10:45.000 I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell.

00:10:46.000 I believe these whistleblowers are legit.

00:10:48.000 I believe some of this new footage is legit.

00:10:50.000 We're going to be talking about this later, in the coming days, about how this story is escalating, but I know a lot of you think it's a distraction.

00:10:56.000 Well, the real distraction in this piece of footage is the plants outside the house are exactly the same as the plant in the house, and the plant in the house is communicating, possibly via UFO technology, With the plants outside the house.

00:11:10.000 That's your exclusive, everyone.

00:11:11.000 Never mind mud wrestling with RFK.

00:11:11.000 That's your exclusive.

00:11:14.000 Never mind that we're going to have a world-shattering exclusive coming up.

00:11:18.000 Can I even bring it up?

00:11:18.000 No, I'm not sure you can.

00:11:19.000 About our exclusive gifts.

00:11:20.000 Can I message that person?

00:11:20.000 No, because you'll give it away.

00:11:21.000 I'll give it away.

00:11:22.000 I can't do it.

00:11:23.000 We're not ready yet, but you are going to want to be a member of Locals.

00:11:25.000 Press the red button by the time that happens.

00:11:27.000 Let's have a look at Marco Rubio's plants communing with one another.

00:11:30.000 I would say there are people that have come forward to share information with our committee.

00:11:34.000 Over the last couple of years, I would imagine some of them are potentially some of the same people that perhaps he's referring to.

00:11:40.000 I want to be very protective of these people.

00:11:41.000 A lot of these people came to us even before these protections were in the law for whistleblowers to come forward.

00:11:47.000 People who have had first-hand... Okay, so that seems credible.

00:11:51.000 The whistleblowers had addressed him even prior to the story breaking.

00:11:56.000 I guess his point is it's not just like whistleblowers with very little clearance.

00:12:00.000 These are people with high clearance.

00:12:01.000 These are people that he's saying, you know, have been briefing.

00:12:04.000 Josh Hawley, another senator as well, said Whistleblower's report is pretty close to the information he received in a briefing.

00:12:10.000 That's the one from David Grush.

00:12:12.000 Uh, that we reported on last week.

00:12:14.000 So more and more people in positions of power are coming out and saying there is a lot of, you know, credible sources.

00:12:20.000 They're cross-referencing the data and it's stacking up.

00:12:23.000 That's interesting.

00:12:24.000 Now, also keep your eyes on that plant.

00:12:26.000 The one inside wants to communicate with the ones outside.

00:12:28.000 I think it's out of order.

00:12:29.000 It's like when you see a pigeon at a zoo.

00:12:31.000 You sort of think, well, I can just leave when I want.

00:12:35.000 Or have first-hand knowledge or first-hand claims of certain things.

00:12:41.000 Some are public figures, you know, and we've heard from them in the past.

00:12:44.000 others, you know, have not shared publicly. So that category of people who have

00:12:49.000 first-hand knowledge who say they have actually seen these kinds of things, do

00:12:53.000 you find many of them credible? Well, I don't find them either not credible or

00:12:58.000 credible because we have no basis about it.

00:13:02.000 Not credible or credible.

00:13:05.000 Not incredible or credible.

00:13:08.000 Somewhere in the middle of that.

00:13:10.000 That's actually not achievable.

00:13:10.000 Yeah.

00:13:12.000 That's like a Buddhist koan.

00:13:14.000 What's the sound of one hand clapping?

00:13:15.000 Well Bart Simpson answered that.

00:13:17.000 But what is neither credible nor incredible is the unknowable activated nothingness that is behind all material reality.

00:13:26.000 This exclusively from Marco Rubio and his animated plants.

00:13:30.000 You can obviously see why a lot of, I think probably a lot of our audience, are talking about this being a distraction.

00:13:35.000 It is interesting that it's coming about at the same time as all the things going on with Hunter Biden and lots of other news stories.

00:13:41.000 Obviously the situation with Ukraine, the continuing arming of Ukraine through the military-industrial complex, you can see why that's something that they would be interested in. 0.97

00:13:49.000 I got sent Hunter Biden's book.

00:13:51.000 I guess that's why I feel sorry for Hunter Biden.

00:13:53.000 Like, ages ago, when he had a book coming out, they sent the book and, oh, would you like to talk to Hunter Biden?

00:13:58.000 And I thought, oh, they can't watch our shows because, like, they would know that we are quite critical of the Biden administration.

00:14:05.000 But then I also am conflicted because I know he's a person that's trying to get into recovery and stuff, so I get confused.

00:14:11.000 It's situations, aren't they?

00:14:12.000 Someone's recovery from, you know, drug addiction is a very different thing to potential tax evasion, or bungs, or bribery, or whatever else it is.

00:14:22.000 Or even if it's just using... Bungs, bribery, evasion... Right, you know... Guns. 0.89

00:14:27.000 Sure.

00:14:28.000 I mean, guns, I guess you could say, in some ways... That's a bit druggy.

00:14:31.000 It's slightly, you know... I gotta have some drugs!

00:14:34.000 I'm gonna need a gun.

00:14:35.000 I ain't paying my taxes, I'm on drugs!

00:14:38.000 Yeah, but you know, when you're in a situation where, like it's been suggested, he's sitting with his father telling energy companies in China or Russia or Ukraine, wherever it is, that they're going to need to pay them for this and that we've got the best access and the Bidens are the best at doing everything, that isn't a situation where we should be talking about the President of the United States.

00:14:58.000 When we talk about Donald Trump being murky and having these deals and having these documents, then we're talking about Biden, who's meant to be the complete opposite to that.

00:15:06.000 You're right.

00:15:07.000 This is a very murky and embarrassing situation.

00:15:10.000 It is murky.

00:15:11.000 And potentially illegal.

00:15:12.000 I mean, I think that's what we're getting at.

00:15:14.000 This is beyond murk.

00:15:15.000 This is the law.

00:15:16.000 Murk, that's just a thick liquid.

00:15:19.000 A thick liquid or vapour.

00:15:21.000 But this is the law.

00:15:23.000 Listen!

00:15:24.000 I know you're enjoying this on YouTube, and I bet you can't wait to see our take on YouTube taking down another RFK video.

00:15:32.000 Thankfully, RFK is affiliated now with the Rumble family.

00:15:36.000 Another video taken down.

00:15:38.000 Soon, RFK and I are gonna be mano a mano in combat of the body and mind, raising, I hope, a lot of money, particularly once I start my steroid program.

00:15:49.000 In a pull-up contest.

00:15:51.000 All money donated to his campaign.

00:15:52.000 Gotta support RFK.

00:15:54.000 He's a truth teller.

00:15:56.000 Anyway, we're gonna be talking about this in more depth, but only on Rumble.

00:15:59.000 I need you to click the link in the description right now.

00:16:02.000 Join us over there where we're gonna get into this.

00:16:05.000 Some depth, as a matter of fact.

00:16:07.000 There's going to be a lot of free speech.

00:16:08.000 A lot of free speech.

00:16:09.000 You're going to love it.

00:16:10.000 So click the link.

00:16:11.000 Join us over there right now.

00:16:13.000 Now, RFK has been bloody well censored.

00:16:18.000 This is an escalating attack.

00:16:20.000 This is...

00:16:21.000 The censorship industrial complex is exactly what me, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger are talking about on our show on Friday.

00:16:27.000 You're not going to want to miss that.

00:16:29.000 There are a set of unelected interests, some state and still somehow they've bypassed democracy, some private that plainly have an agenda.

00:16:38.000 The EU are introducing laws that are going to allow them to ban Twitter unless Twitter comply.

00:16:44.000 Fining Twitter and any social media platform for up to six percent of their turnover, that's Undoable for a global corporation.

00:16:51.000 They're hitting them right where it hurts, right up the minerals, right up the nuts.

00:16:55.000 They cannot countenance that kind of loss.

00:16:57.000 Even Elon Musk, a figure who's fighting for freedom of speech, I know many of you think that, let me know in the chat if you agree, let us know, all of you, let me know, is obviously unwilling to, he says, you know, if it's made law, Twitter will obey the law.

00:17:08.000 And of course, a CEO of a country, or a company, same thing these days, can't go, can't say, no, we're going to break the law.

00:17:15.000 They're not actual freedom fighters.

00:17:18.000 No, especially if they're being, as you say, being threatened with being banned in the whole of Europe.

00:17:23.000 I mean, that's a massive deal for Elon Musk.

00:17:25.000 But where do they get this power?

00:17:26.000 Where do they get the power to ban whole corporations?

00:17:29.000 Well, I don't remember voting for any of these people.

00:17:31.000 I don't know, maybe I've misunderstood something.

00:17:34.000 Anyway, it's obviously RFK is a... They're Mick Ross.

00:17:38.000 They're pretty effective at making laws and rules.

00:17:41.000 A lot of those things weren't even legislative, weren't they?

00:17:41.000 How did they do it?

00:17:43.000 They were just regulatory and they just sort of treated them like laws somehow.

00:17:47.000 And all manner of measures were sort of introduced.

00:17:49.000 Oh, we're going to be using this face scanning technology.

00:17:52.000 Oh, we're just going to keep a record of your vaccines.

00:17:53.000 Oh, it's just going to be helping you.

00:17:55.000 We were cynical throughout.

00:17:55.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 The issue with the EU thing is interesting because it is a similar kind of thing to the pandemic.

00:18:02.000 It's this emergency laws situation that's kind of being passed now.

00:18:05.000 Emergency laws this time on the internet.

00:18:07.000 We've done emergency laws during the pandemic.

00:18:10.000 We've done emergency laws with regard to the Ukraine war.

00:18:13.000 That's how this spending is continuing despite the debt ceiling issue.

00:18:17.000 And now we're seeing emergency laws being passed on the internet and that's why Elon Musk is having to go along with it.

00:18:22.000 We're in a perpetual state of emergency.

00:18:25.000 I suppose emergency is often the precursor to regulation.

00:18:28.000 Once we're all terrified, once we're afraid, we often welcome authoritarianism.

00:18:33.000 Let me talk to you a little bit about this, the video that's been taken down.

00:18:37.000 It was an interview with... What?

00:18:40.000 He's a former New York Post reporter.

00:18:43.000 So what does he say?

00:18:44.000 The episode marked the launch of a podcast in which Kennedy, an environmental attorney and presidential aspirant for 2024, discusses an array of subjects from his medication... his meditation routine.

00:18:53.000 Not his medication routine, that would have been much more controversial.

00:18:55.000 That would have been the problem, and that's actually the irony with this, is he wasn't talking... well, seemingly he wasn't talking about that.

00:19:00.000 How's he got that upper body strength?

00:19:02.000 I'm not going to yield to him in this pull-up contest.

00:19:02.000 That's what I want to know.

00:19:05.000 These meditation routines, his ambition of overhauling federal health agencies, that would be a bit more of a problem, and the Democratic Party, that's going to be an issue.

00:19:13.000 The conversation traversed numerous topics.

00:19:15.000 Other issues covered included handling environmental concerns and the middle class, because I suppose ultimately this is, I suppose, what's fascinating.

00:19:22.000 As these centralist and authoritarian forces further coalesce, it's not just going to be what once were regarded as vulnerable demographics that are penalised.

00:19:31.000 It's increasingly going to be a situation where, unless you are directly participating in the elite establishment, either as one of those institutions, a high-up member of it, Or one of their bureaucratic assistants or aides.

00:19:45.000 They're coming for you.

00:19:46.000 I remember when Greenwald said that thing, that this is no longer the time of the plutocrat philanthropist throwing dollar bills from their limo as they pass.

00:19:54.000 Now they're doubling down with AI and robocop dogs and preparing for a time of draconian control.

00:20:02.000 And you can see that bureaucratically, you can see that in new laws that are being introduced around protest, the ability to surveil, the ability to censor.

00:20:08.000 That's why this censorship industrial complex show that we've done, me, Matt Taibbi and Schellenberger, is important.

00:20:13.000 I believe we've got a graphic for that.

00:20:16.000 Can we just see that briefly, a bit of a graphic?

00:20:18.000 This is it.

00:20:19.000 It's not animated, is it still?

00:20:21.000 It's animated.

00:20:22.000 But before we see this...

00:20:22.000 Let's have a look at this.

00:20:24.000 If you don't know about Bad Graphics Jack, he's a very bright young man.

00:20:28.000 I like him a great deal, actually, on a personal level.

00:20:30.000 I love our young team of brilliant young creators.

00:20:35.000 But you cannot vouch for the quality of their work.

00:20:38.000 Why not? Let's have a look at this now, Sensory Industrial Complex.

00:20:38.000 You just cannot.

00:20:45.000 Again, no colour palette, no consistency of graphic design, sort of the odd introduction

00:20:53.000 of that beat, no animation.

00:20:55.000 Extraordinary stuff, really, but nevertheless, we've got some great stuff coming up.

00:21:01.000 We'll just finish off on... Don't be hurt by it.

00:21:05.000 I don't know what to say anymore.

00:21:06.000 Kennedy made noteworthy remarks concerning censorship.

00:21:09.000 We're back to the Kennedy interview now.

00:21:10.000 A topic he himself encountered on platforms such as Instagram and YouTube, he opined that if elected president he would engage with tech giants to explore ways to put an end to what he perceives as the un-American practice of censorship.

00:21:21.000 RFK is a person I will be texting directly about our Tayibi and Schellenberger special.

00:21:27.000 Also, I want to get inside his head a little bit before the pull-up competition.

00:21:30.000 With literal regard to Matt Taibbi from there, something he mentioned that him and Mark Schoenberger started was this virality project, which he's talked about a lot, this cross-platform information sharing program led by Stanford University.

00:21:44.000 So this was relating to RFK, as we've just been talking.

00:21:48.000 The Variety Project, if a person told a true story about someone developing myocarditis after getting vaccinated, even if that person was just telling a story, even if they weren't saying the short cause of the myocarditis, the Variety Project just saw that post that may promote hesitancy.

00:22:01.000 So this content was true, but politically categorised as anti-vax and therefore misinformation untrue.

00:22:06.000 And essentially that's what's happening now.

00:22:08.000 When you get a situation where RFK doesn't seem to matter what he says anymore, he's been put in that box of this is untrue and therefore he needs to be removed.

00:22:15.000 What's in the box?

00:22:17.000 What's in the box?

00:22:19.000 Well, in the case of RFK, almost everything he says is deemed to be put in the box marked censored, as we've just discussed.

00:22:25.000 We'll be talking about that more with Schellenberger and Tayibi on Friday.

00:22:28.000 You're not going to want to miss that.

00:22:29.000 It streams live at the usual times.

00:22:33.000 Hey, what's in that other box?

00:22:35.000 What's in the Trump boxes?

00:22:37.000 What is he rifling through like a little old garden, like a like a little garden gopher?

00:22:42.000 Donald Trump's like, he's a secret, he's a secret.

00:22:44.000 He's back to rights in this one.

00:22:46.000 But what's more important?

00:22:47.000 The fact that there's plans for a war with Iran or the fact that he's sharing classified information?

00:22:53.000 This is a take on that story that's going to help you understand it.

00:22:56.000 It's going to give you what I would call pub and bar room knowledge so that you can converse easily with the doubters and the haters.

00:23:03.000 Here's the news.

00:23:04.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:23:07.000 Here's the news. 1.00

00:23:08.000 No, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:23:12.000 The mainstream media are excited because they have audio of Trump sharing the contents of those classified boxes, which reveal that America was planning a war with Iran. 0.99

00:23:21.000 Guess what they're more excited about?

00:23:25.000 Donald Trump, it has now been somewhat proven, let me know in the comments if you agree, did share the content of those classified boxes.

00:23:31.000 I mean you can hear him doing it and admitting all the time, I shouldn't be doing this but have a look in there, look in there.

00:23:36.000 Isn't it also significant and interesting that the contents of those boxes reveal that there was a plan to go to war with Iran?

00:23:43.000 What do you think is going to have a bigger impact on your life?

00:23:46.000 Let's listen for ourselves, see if Donald Trump really did share classified information.

00:23:51.000 It does seem like he did.

00:23:52.000 Evening, we begin tonight with breaking news.

00:23:54.000 We have obtained what is expected to be a central piece of the government's case against Donald Trump.

00:23:59.000 The actual audio recording.

00:24:01.000 It would be good if it was an audio recording.

00:24:04.000 Free blood boys, free blood boys.

00:24:07.000 See how they run, see how they run.

00:24:09.000 Of the former president talking as if he's showing a highly classified document on U.S.

00:24:13.000 war plans against Iran, with people not clear to even know it exists, let alone what's in it.

00:24:19.000 They're missing the point once again.

00:24:21.000 Doesn't everyone basically think that presidents and high-ranking politicians have access to classified information and in private communicate this information?

00:24:29.000 Don't we all just basically assume that Trump revealed to us the essential nature of power as Dave Chappelle memorably said in his SNL speech.

00:24:38.000 He was the president that said, you know all the stuff you think we're doing in there?

00:24:41.000 We are doing that stuff in there.

00:24:43.000 I know the system is rigged because I use it. 0.99

00:24:46.000 I said, God damn it! 0.98

00:24:49.000 So once again they're doubling down on the idea that Trump has been caught out sharing the contents of a box that's ultimately meant to be classified, that he said he kept golf shirts in and golf tees and all sorts of golf stuff in. 0.98

00:25:01.000 Isn't it more interesting, more significant, more of a condemnation of systemic power and the state of the world we're in, that within those boxes were the plans for the US military to engage Iran in war?

00:25:14.000 Isn't that more likely to affect your life, my life, the state of the world?

00:25:17.000 Why are we talking about the personality rather than the principle?

00:25:21.000 Why are we talking about minor transgressions like the revelation of classified information?

00:25:27.000 Which, you know, if that's wrong, that's wrong.

00:25:28.000 Let me know in the comments if you think it's wrong.

00:25:30.000 Is it as significant as US plans for war with Iran?

00:25:34.000 What over the past 20 years has had a bigger impact on you?

00:25:37.000 The revelation of state secrets, think of the most memorable one, WikiLeaks, which just told you there were loads of illegal murders that went on in all those Middle Eastern wars?

00:25:45.000 Or has it been the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, wars reaching back,

00:25:49.000 the current war, whether it's financially how it impacts you, emotionally, spiritually,

00:25:54.000 the fact that it kills people all over the world, Americans and of other nations.

00:25:59.000 What's the biggest story here and why are the mainstream media not interrogating this

00:26:03.000 aspect of the story?

00:26:04.000 Let us know in the comments.

00:26:05.000 In a moment, only on CNN, you will hear what jurors will hear one day.

00:26:09.000 CNN's just trying to make itself sound super important like Anderson.

00:26:12.000 We have obtained these important documents that basically don't really mean anything, really.

00:26:17.000 I mean, you all know that Trump's doing stuff like that, don't you?

00:26:19.000 Do you think that Joe Biden's not doing enough stuff like that?

00:26:21.000 Didn't you hear the text message where Hunter Biden says, I'm sat here with my dad, you better pay me properly, Zheng, or whatever.

00:26:27.000 You saw that.

00:26:28.000 We all know that there's such a thing called nepotism.

00:26:30.000 We know that there's such a thing called cronyism.

00:26:32.000 We know that Nancy Pelosi Presumably has access to information that make her husband's investments more successful.

00:26:39.000 You can't do someone for being corrupt in a corrupt system.

00:26:43.000 It's the wrong problem.

00:26:44.000 I mean, the fact is, last time we heard an audio recording of him, you remember what he was saying then?

00:26:48.000 In a way, he's improved.

00:26:49.000 At least he's talking about politics and stuff, rather than the P word that it was last time.

00:26:53.000 You will clearly hear the former president as he is speaking to several people. 0.99

00:26:57.000 These are bad, sick people. 0.98

00:27:00.000 That was your cue, you know. 1.00

00:27:02.000 against you.

00:27:03.000 Well it started right at the beginning.

00:27:05.000 Like when Millie's talking about, oh you were gonna try to do a kick.

00:27:08.000 No, they were trying to do that before you even were sworn in.

00:27:11.000 That's right.

00:27:12.000 Trying to overthrow your election.

00:27:13.000 Well with Millie, let me see that. I'll show you an example. 0.56

00:27:17.000 Funny, he's just in a rudimentary way going through those kinds of

00:27:20.000 Nope, that's one of my golf shoes.

00:27:22.000 Nope, nope, that's a 5-iron, don't need that.

00:27:24.000 Ah, there it is, Millie saying that they want to go to war with Iran.

00:27:27.000 Now of course if the agreed upon law is a president's not supposed to reveal classified information then he's banged to rights it sounds like, unless that's a very good impersonation of him, but isn't it sort of more interesting, important, epochal and likely to affect your life, oil prices, stability of the world, if America plan another bloody war in Iran?

00:27:45.000 He said You can hear him doing it!

00:27:48.000 I think you've got him banged to rights.

00:27:51.000 Isn't it amazing?

00:27:51.000 I have a big pile of papers.

00:27:52.000 This thing just came out.

00:27:52.000 put him bang to right.

00:28:13.000 That should handle it then.

00:28:14.000 That's fine.

00:28:15.000 Off the record.

00:28:16.000 They presented me this.

00:28:18.000 This was him.

00:28:19.000 This was the defence department and him.

00:28:22.000 We looked at some.

00:28:23.000 This was him.

00:28:24.000 This wasn't done by me.

00:28:25.000 This was him.

00:28:26.000 All sorts of stuff.

00:28:28.000 Pages long.

00:28:29.000 Look.

00:28:30.000 Wait a minute.

00:28:31.000 Let's see here.

00:28:32.000 So blatantly going through secrets.

00:28:35.000 Imagine them all spread out on the floor.

00:28:37.000 Secrets here.

00:28:38.000 But here's another one.

00:28:39.000 There's another secret there.

00:28:41.000 A whole bit of secrets.

00:28:43.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:28:45.000 This totally wins my case, you know.

00:28:47.000 Except it is, like, highly confidential.

00:28:50.000 I didn't know that they were secret.

00:28:51.000 In the tape, he says that he knows it's confidential.

00:28:54.000 This is secret information.

00:28:57.000 Look at this.

00:28:59.000 Hillary would print that out all the time. 1.00

00:29:01.000 She'd send it to Anthony Weiner.

00:29:03.000 You know, she'd send it to Anthony Weiner.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:29:06.000 The pervert. 0.99

00:29:07.000 Ha ha ha ha ha! 1.00

00:29:08.000 It's so funny, isn't it?

00:29:09.000 This is exactly how you imagine it.

00:29:11.000 This is the problem with using this to attack Trump.

00:29:14.000 I mean, of course, if there is a legislative angle and he ultimately ends up incarcerated, of course, that's successful.

00:29:19.000 But that's just Trump being Trump.

00:29:21.000 And I feel that the problem that it highlights is, oh, yeah, you know, the system that, you know, is corrupt and you know that there's sort of secret wars that are economically undergirded and then they sell it to you as being a moral humanitarian war.

00:29:32.000 Well this kind of shows that all happening and even in the tape it's sort of almost more damaging to Hillary Clinton because they pretend that they're sort of above all that stuff.

00:29:41.000 We're proper people.

00:29:42.000 We're grown-ups and we're serious.

00:29:43.000 This guy's joking the whole way through it.

00:29:46.000 Everyone does it.

00:29:47.000 I use those loopholes.

00:29:48.000 There wouldn't be a war.

00:29:49.000 It'll be over in 24 hours.

00:29:50.000 You can't attack By the way, isn't that incredible?

00:29:52.000 I was just saying, because we were talking about it.

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 that if your agenda is to bring down Trump, don't bring down Trump using stuff

00:29:57.000 we already sort of know about Trump and people have already decided they don't

00:30:01.000 care about. That's the problem. The problem is that in the land of the blind 0.74

00:30:05.000 the one-eyed man is king. You're still attacking him on the basis of something

00:30:08.000 that isn't regarded as a problem but almost an asset.

00:30:11.000 By the way, isn't that incredible?

00:30:12.000 Yeah.

00:30:13.000 I was just saying because we were talking about it.

00:30:15.000 And you know he said he wanted to attack Iran and what.

00:30:19.000 He said it first.

00:30:22.000 This was done by the military, given to me.

00:30:25.000 Uh, I think we can probably, right?

00:30:28.000 I think probably might mean use this to win an argument.

00:30:31.000 I don't know if you can, Donald.

00:30:33.000 I feel like it's classified.

00:30:34.000 I don't know.

00:30:35.000 We'll have to see.

00:30:36.000 Yeah, we'll have to try to figure out a, yeah.

00:30:39.000 See, as president I could have declassified it.

00:30:41.000 Now I can't, you know, but this is classified.

00:30:43.000 Still a secret.

00:30:44.000 Oh, this, that's a secret.

00:30:45.000 This is a secret.

00:30:46.000 These are all, these are secrets.

00:30:47.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 It's so cool.

00:30:51.000 It's like a pajama party of secrets.

00:30:53.000 This is one of my favorite secrets.

00:30:55.000 I like that secret.

00:30:56.000 Which secret shall it be?

00:30:58.000 I'll choose one to marry me. 0.66

00:31:00.000 It's like Sandra Dee in Greece.

00:31:04.000 And you probably almost didn't believe me, but now you believe me.

00:31:07.000 No, I believe you.

00:31:08.000 It's incredible, right?

00:31:10.000 Hey, bring some cokes in, please.

00:31:12.000 Look at that.

00:31:12.000 So in response to the sort of chilling statement that the military-industrial complex have never met a war they didn't want, what is Donald Trump's response?

00:31:22.000 Where would he go with that?

00:31:23.000 They've never met a war they didn't want.

00:31:25.000 They are a machine built for war.

00:31:27.000 Their economic model requires war.

00:31:29.000 This is the swamp that you claimed that you would drain, the swamp What's Donald's response?

00:31:34.000 Democrat, liberal, Republican, conservative, traditional or progressive, agrees, needs,

00:31:38.000 drain in. What's Donald's response? Hey, bring some, bring some cokes in, please. I mean,

00:31:43.000 it is after all the real thing. We knew about this. You know, CNN first reported that this

00:31:48.000 existed and that Jack Smith's prosecution had it in their hands. But to hear it,

00:31:53.000 I think really just drives home. That's not that important that they're engaging a different sense.

00:31:58.000 You've seen it written down and now you've heard it.

00:32:01.000 What's next?

00:32:01.000 A lunchbox with it on?

00:32:03.000 It's not Jurassic Park merchandise.

00:32:06.000 Either it's corrupt or it isn't corrupt.

00:32:07.000 Either it's significant or it's not significant.

00:32:09.000 No one's gonna watch it and go, what?

00:32:11.000 Oh, I like Donald Trump, but now...

00:32:13.000 Now that I've heard him rifling through those papers like a mouse, that's put me off him.

00:32:18.000 The reporting on the story reiterates that problem.

00:32:21.000 Why are they not saying, I mean it's obviously a matter of concern that it appears there are secret plans to go to war with Iran and of course there are comparable stories within the Democrat Party and comparable stories of corruption.

00:32:31.000 And obviously there's no point in us continually focusing on Trump and saying Trump's worse, Trump's worse, Trump's worse.

00:32:36.000 Because loads of people, about half, think Trump's Better.

00:32:39.000 Why not do something about the system itself, whether that's the system of government or the system of media reporting?

00:32:45.000 The issue stems from Trump's apparent frustration with what he claimed was a false narrative being pushed by the press that after losing the 2020 election, under the advice of then Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu... You're always going on about Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:33:00.000 Let it go, Lyn.

00:33:01.000 You're never going to meet him.

00:33:02.000 And the coterie of Iran hawks he'd surround himself with. 0.69

00:33:05.000 Trump was dangerously close to ordering strikes on Iran that could have triggered full-scale war and had to be talked down from it by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley.

00:33:14.000 But the former president maintained the reality of the situation was the exact opposite.

00:33:17.000 That it was Milley and the Pentagon who were pushing an attack on Iran on a reluctant Trump and that the classified documents he had kept were proof of this.

00:33:24.000 Well, that does seem more likely, doesn't it?

00:33:27.000 And again, as a person that has no belief in the bipartisan system or American globalist corporatist democracy as it's currently set up, it seems to me that the bigger issue is there were plans for a war with Iran that the military-industrial complex in the form of General Mark Milley were pushing for rather than the rather unsurprising news that Donald Trump Excuse me.

00:33:47.000 Kept a bunch of boxes and showed them to his mates.

00:33:50.000 It's exactly the sort of thing I've always assumed Trump would do.

00:33:53.000 And then have a coke when someone says war isn't over and you're like...

00:33:58.000 This comes in the midst of years of ratcheting up tensions between not just Iran and the United States but maybe more dangerously Iran and Israel.

00:34:05.000 That is dangerous.

00:34:07.000 The latter's government has been pushing the Biden administration to take a more aggressive posture toward Iran for years.

00:34:12.000 Perhaps the real problem here, as well as taking Trump out as an electoral candidate, is do they see him as a threat?

00:34:18.000 Are they still using that crazy Pied Piper strategy of putting attention on Trump so you can't get any momentum behind dissenters?

00:34:24.000 I don't know because I don't Consider that to be the most important thing in American political life.

00:34:28.000 What is evidently important is the potential for agitation for another Middle Eastern war after the wreckage, carnage and disaster of the Iraqi war, the Afghanistan war, the current ongoing terrible conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which you don't have to pick a side on because I'm on the side of peace, baby.

00:34:46.000 Check out my shirt.

00:34:47.000 But what we can agree It seems is the peace deal was on the table that Putin was willing to sign it.

00:34:53.000 And you say that's Russian propaganda.

00:34:55.000 We've got to pick our way through a hell of a lot of propaganda here.

00:34:57.000 And American interests and UK interests agitated for ongoing conflict.

00:35:01.000 Would there be any reason for that?

00:35:02.000 Well, sort of seems like they benefit from it and their entire economic model requires it.

00:35:06.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:35:07.000 The existence of US war plans for Iran suggests it wouldn't take much for Israeli attacks to draw the United States into yet another disastrous war, particularly if Iran retaliates, particularly if it winds up killing Americans in the process, whether intentionally or not. 0.69

00:35:21.000 Iran's deepening alliance with Russia could draw Moscow into the war, turning the country into the second front of a global proxy battle between two nuclear superpowers, the United States and Russia, while adding a third nuclear power, Israel, into the volatile mix.

00:35:35.000 Well that's only a take, and that's only speculation.

00:35:38.000 But given the current geopolitical tensions, the fact that there is a war between Ukraine and Russia, given that the reporting on that war does seem to contain a great deal of biases, given that it appears there is agitation for a conflict with China around Taiwan and the semiconductors, you have to take this seriously.

00:35:57.000 Not least because there's a box of evidence that Donald Trump is rifling through like it's a family photo album at a post-wedding do.

00:36:05.000 So tell me, what's more important to you?

00:36:08.000 The fact that Trump has broken the law by taking classified information when he's no longer in office, and indeed apparently sharing it with other people, or That it contains plans for a future conflict with Iran, even including a much more realistic and present danger for escalating and ratcheting up tensions between Israel and Iran.

00:36:30.000 These seem to me to be global problems rather than legal technicalities or illegal technicalities or stories that exist well within what we all expect of Donald Trump, whether we like him or not.

00:36:42.000 That's the crucial detail.

00:36:44.000 I think people that love Donald Trump, this is just Trump being Trump. 1.00

00:36:46.000 The people that don't like Donald Trump, oh you bastard. 0.99

00:36:49.000 But the reality is, the reality is, there are much more important issues that it appears we're being distracted from and even in the reporting of this story. 0.99

00:36:57.000 Why are the mainstream media not interrogating the contents of the boxes and the implications for the world if there is a plan for a war with bloody Iran? 0.83

00:37:05.000 But that's just what I think.

00:37:06.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:37:07.000 See you in a second!

00:37:08.000 Thank you for viewing Fox News.

00:37:10.000 Good day.

00:37:11.000 No. 1.00

00:37:11.000 Here's the fucking news! 1.00

00:37:13.000 The world is a very complex place, seemingly run by individuals and institutions that have no moral compass, 1.00

00:37:20.000 and if they do, it's pointing straight to hell.

00:37:22.000 They have no fortitude, no principles, no sense of justice or righteousness.

00:37:27.000 When will we rise up against them, unify, see beyond our superficial differences, and access the great resource within us?

00:37:35.000 Thankfully, football is not like that.

00:37:39.000 is nice and welcome to football is nice with me russell brand and gareth

00:37:52.000 roy And what a fantastic conversation I anticipate today.

00:37:56.000 We're going to be talking about transfers and the usual craziness that surrounds the transfer season. 0.95

00:38:02.000 Silly season!

00:38:03.000 Harry Redknapp would call it. 0.68

00:38:05.000 We'll be talking about transfers as they once were in more innocent times.

00:38:09.000 And we'll be talking about Stormzy's acquisition of another football club.

00:38:14.000 Could it be the next Wrexham?

00:38:16.000 Is it going to be on Amazon Prime?

00:38:18.000 As well as, in a way, we're placating Gareth Roy by talking about Hull City, which is the football team and town, city, that he supports and is indeed from.

00:38:30.000 Thank you very much for all your comments about Simon Jordan.

00:38:34.000 We'll be going through some of those in a minute, but it's nice to welcome back you, Gareth.

00:38:39.000 Yeah, I miss you.

00:38:39.000 Is it?

00:38:40.000 Don't want Simon every week.

00:38:42.000 Not every week, Simon, that's a lot.

00:38:44.000 Because remember, I'm one of those people that's a bit like Simon Jordan, sort of intense and everything.

00:38:49.000 And then, like, while I'm being that, there's another one of them there.

00:38:53.000 It's a lot to deal with.

00:38:54.000 I know.

00:38:55.000 I mean, I literally know.

00:38:57.000 Because you deal with me every day.

00:38:59.000 Frankie, best conversation I've heard about football.

00:39:01.000 Valid points from both.

00:39:02.000 What I did enjoy about the conversation is we thought... I suppose the nature of the discourse, if I can use such a grand word, was I was saying the problems in football emanate from its ongoing commodification and commercialization.

00:39:16.000 And at some point it will kill the goose that lays the golden egg, which is the romanticism, tribalism, populism, beauty and grace that's somehow enshrined and interwoven within the game.

00:39:30.000 And Simon, I suppose, says that It doesn't really think that's true, although we sort of tended to agree on quite a lot of the most fundamental principles, like if Saudi Arabia keep buying up players, they'll end up being a league there.

00:39:42.000 If you keep having disproportionate power, teams like Man City, you'll end up having a Super League.

00:39:47.000 What do you think about that general argument, mate?

00:39:49.000 I guess it's like, what is the line, isn't it?

00:39:51.000 You know, you think, what's the... I mean, obviously we've had the World Cup, where there was so much talk beforehand of, you know, should it be staged there?

00:39:59.000 The issue with the workers, people dying, people like Gary Lineker saying all sorts of things, people not showing the opening ceremony.

00:40:09.000 There's all of that and yet it became one of the best World Cups in history, I think you could argue.

00:40:14.000 Some of the best games ever in the history of the international game.

00:40:19.000 And so there's a tendency after something like that to kind of feel like it's literally, it can accommodate anything.

00:40:26.000 be put on the moon it would accommodate that. I don't know if that's true, I mean I think

00:40:30.000 in terms of formatting you could well see a time where maybe that 45 minutes could be broken up,

00:40:38.000 who knows? I just wonder what's the thing where people, I mean obviously we saw it with the Super

00:40:42.000 League didn't we, when then the Super League was going to start fans rebelled and ultimately that

00:40:48.000 movement was crushed for the time being. You wonder maybe what is the...

00:40:52.000 point that are they just trying to incrementally get to the same place anywhere just in a slightly

00:40:57.000 slower fashion? I reckon and ultimately they'll just reconfigure their plan pivot slightly and

00:41:04.000 as you say execute the same idea. There must be something in football's essence that is pretty

00:41:10.000 foolhardy for it to as you say endure even the overt commodification that the world cup particularly

00:41:19.000 exemplified although on reflection I would say that the west moralizing about Qatar is ultimately

00:41:28.000 a disingenuous and what do I want to say occidental and almost you could go so far as to say a

00:41:33.000 supremacist stance. This is again it's this is one of the things I love about football is it provides

00:41:38.000 a lens through which we can analyze world affairs. The kind of neoliberal establishment will use its

00:41:45.000 overt virtue signaling around cultural issues to point out that oh we're different than them.

00:41:52.000 But what I suppose a counter-argument is, is, hold on a minute, this is an imperialistic and exploitative game from nations that have colonized and exploited the world, even and specifically the region that is known as the Middle East, where you're making these kind of judgments from even now.

00:42:09.000 And top of that, there's the hypocrisy of still doing the bloody event there.

00:42:12.000 In the first place, and indeed individuals that spoke out attending.

00:42:16.000 Not showing the opening ceremony was a proper cake-and-eat-it move.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, completely.

00:42:20.000 You know, we're willing to make sacrifices, but not sacrifices that mean anything, and therefore not sacrifices, they're gestures.

00:42:26.000 And yet... Yeah, the problem wasn't Morgan Freeman and his hand, was it?

00:42:30.000 Wait a minute!

00:42:31.000 As long as we don't show Morgan Freeman and his hand, then we'll be fine.

00:42:35.000 The issue with the United Arab Emirates and its richness in fossilised fuels is Morgan Freeman's hand.

00:42:45.000 Not to get too political, necessarily, but we've talked recently about the way in which CNN and MSNBC said that they won't show Trump's post-arraignment speech.

00:42:55.000 Yeah, it's the same thing.

00:42:56.000 And it's like, well, after years of profiting from Trump and then pushing all the Russiagate stuff and all that, then you're going to say, well, this bit we're not going to show, but we'll continue talking about it the rest of the time.

00:43:05.000 And we'll continue bundling up your data and selling it more even than porn sites do.

00:43:10.000 We will report on Russiagate in a biased and insubstantiated way.

00:43:16.000 Essentially, the mainstream media cannot claim to be doing anything for a moral reason.

00:43:21.000 And that's whether it's talking about matters within football or matters within news and politics, because they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to that set of criteria.

00:43:31.000 I always guess I'm more on your side than Simon Jordan in that respect.

00:43:35.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

00:43:35.000 Because that's exactly what I wanted to bring up.

00:43:37.000 Because what I wanted to say is, is that the thing that's romantic and beautiful about the game, at some point, surely, will be extinguished.

00:43:45.000 And I wanted to talk more about, like, this is what I said in the end, because you know what he's like, Simon and Jordan, he's hectoring, he won't shut up.

00:43:50.000 I think I do listen in the end, don't I?

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 Thanks, like like so like like he like this bit in the end.

00:43:56.000 I just sort of basically shouted I think the same as this happened in Saudi Arabia the that you should put as part of a manifesto if we are elected we will reclaim and Renationalize all British football clubs and then return ownership to the community now I know that's like in some ways a preposterous suggestion because it mean what hold on a minute these economic entities these commercial businesses that have been acquired in some

00:44:23.000 cases by nation states in other cases by big companies like FSG and you

00:44:28.000 know wherever they're owned you're saying you're going to seize these assets but

00:44:32.000 that is what happens like you know that's a you know in Saudi Arabia I'm

00:44:35.000 sure they purchased them but what about with the you know when the when we

00:44:39.000 privatized all of our municipalities like the gas and the water and the

00:44:42.000 electricity all those things have been built by taxpayers money that means we

00:44:46.000 owned it then they sold it back to us as privatized commodity so I don't think

00:44:50.000 it's absolutely ridiculous and the reason I'm saying it is

00:44:53.000 because of course that's part of a earth-shattering model or an economic shattering 0.91

00:44:58.000 model because of course then it's like well are you gonna pay the players in

00:45:00.000 the same way it's all gonna totally fall apart it's an attempt to sort of popularize

00:45:07.000 ideas and also a sort of a Trojan horse for numerous other ideas but

00:45:11.000 bringing them into the heart of the popular entertainment arena I suppose was a

00:45:17.000 like you would own Liverpool you would own it switch you would own it like you

00:45:21.000 know the community would run it electorally there you would elect a board you'd

00:45:25.000 run it that way you would have to look at what you know obviously you know the 0.71

00:45:29.000 commercial and broadcast partners are all gonna fucking drop out the

00:45:31.000 drop out the minute you do something like that, because even when someone like 0.96

00:45:32.000 minute you do something like that because even when someone like Jeremy Corbyn who

00:45:34.000 Jeremy Corbyn, who was like a left-wing politician who was, you know, for a minute in our

00:45:35.000 was like a left-wing politician who was for a minute in our country was like our

00:45:38.000 country, was like our Bernie Sanders but he became the leader of the party, like, people

00:45:39.000 Bernie Sanders but he became the leader of the party like people like we're

00:45:41.000 were like, we're pulling out, we're not gonna have that kind of stuff, you know, but all

00:45:42.000 pulling out we're not gonna have that kind of stuff you know but all of that is

00:45:45.000 of that is revealing that whole process of like the broadcast, right, we'll broadcast it

00:45:46.000 revealing that whole process of like the broadcast right we'll broadcast it

00:45:48.000 ourselves then or what it would do is it would be seismic it'll be an incision for

00:45:49.000 ourselves then, or what it would do is it would be seismic, it would be an incision for

00:45:52.000 something that just seems sort of quite populist, it creates a sort of waves of kind of

00:45:58.000 beautiful chaos, that's why I like it, I know it's mad though. Yeah, no, I mean, as you say,

00:46:04.000 it would mean fundamentally changing all the apparatus around it as well in order for that to

00:46:08.000 work, there's so many things that will be affected by that, and I was literally just thinking

00:46:13.000 about Declan Rice and his kind of ascendancy and how amazing Declan Rice has become.

00:46:17.000 The fact that both these clubs, Man City and Arsenal, want to spend over 100 million quid on him at the moment.

00:46:23.000 You'd probably say that without the money spent on West Ham, that then they can invest into their youth set-up that develops players like Declan Rice, that maybe one of the arguments would be, well, we wouldn't get players as good as that.

00:46:34.000 And I guess that would be a good argument.

00:46:36.000 But that's what I mean.

00:46:37.000 Everything would have to Everything falls apart.

00:46:39.000 Because aren't we at a point though where it's like, well, Declan Rice, understandably, I'm a West Ham fan of course, and thanks for them seats from Upton Park, that's a really great present.

00:46:48.000 Gareth got me for my birthday two seats from West Ham's former ground and beloved cathedral, Upton Park, aka the bowling ground.

00:46:55.000 He could buy seats from me after they smashed it to smithereens to buy flats from it basically for no reason other than money.

00:47:01.000 Anyway, I've got a couple of them seats now.

00:47:03.000 I want to find out where they are.

00:47:04.000 Perhaps over the coming weeks we can locate exactly where they were, then find someone that sat in them seats, then bring them around and allow them to do a little fart on that seat and say, there you go, what comes around goes around.

00:47:13.000 There was some chewing gum under the seat.

00:47:15.000 Was there?

00:47:15.000 I took that off because I thought...

00:47:17.000 That's priceless.

00:47:18.000 I could have had my own DNA.

00:47:19.000 What if I had already?

00:47:20.000 That would be one of those beautiful stories if it was your own bubblegum.

00:47:22.000 You know when you hear those stories, and did you know it was the very same person?

00:47:26.000 You know those stories.

00:47:27.000 Post us one in the chat, will ya?

00:47:28.000 Anyway, mate, more parochially, you get £105 million for Decker and Rice, what are you

00:47:37.000 going to spend trying to... he's irreplaceable, essentially, a player of that quality.

00:47:42.000 Maybe even if we get that lad out of Ajax or we get James Ward-Prowse out of Southampton,

00:47:46.000 sorry James...

00:47:47.000 Calvin Phillips as well.

00:47:48.000 Oh right, well that starts to make a little bit of sense.

00:47:52.000 But even then, it's sort of like, for like...

00:47:53.000 I mean, what's the point?

00:47:54.000 What's the point of it all?

00:47:56.000 What's the point?

00:47:57.000 Or Harvey Barnes out of Leicester, there's like things that could be exciting about that money, but I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is like, I hanker after a time where you might have Billy Bonds or, you know, even Mark Noble spend their whole career at a club this because why?

00:48:13.000 What is it?

00:48:14.000 What is it?

00:48:14.000 Is always like whatever your subject to interrogating.

00:48:17.000 What is it?

00:48:18.000 So then players are the representatives of a community.

00:48:21.000 We vicariously live through them and for a minute.

00:48:24.000 Victory and loss is simple and makes sense with all the complexity within the game.

00:48:29.000 We want them to win.

00:48:31.000 We don't want the other team to win.

00:48:33.000 It's all sort of manageable for a moment and yet you gain access through ceremony.

00:48:36.000 You gain access to emotions that are sort of deeper than on paper or illicit.

00:48:44.000 Might cry, I'm overwhelmed, I'm overjoyed.

00:48:47.000 The moment David Moyes puts the medal around his father's neck, it provides you with a kind of magic.

00:48:53.000 And when you reduce it all to numbers, you're pulling... I can't help but think that sooner or later the thing itself will pull up.

00:49:01.000 But I guess I'm not saying, why don't we go back to the days where they're wearing big mad leather boots like loaves of bread and kicking around the human head instead of a ball.

00:49:11.000 Yeah, it's that argument, isn't it, that they always give with, like, technology and why these kind of big tech companies have been allowed to kind of maraud around the world and colonize everything and everyone.

00:49:25.000 And the argument is always, well, it's progress.

00:49:27.000 What do you want?

00:49:28.000 Do you not want progress?

00:49:29.000 This is why they should be allowed to kind of keep doing what they're doing.

00:49:32.000 And I guess, but then there is a counter argument to that is, well, what price do we pay for that progress?

00:49:37.000 And could it be argued that it's not progress in every sense?

00:49:40.000 I don't actually even want progress, because I feel that there are false markers of progress in medicine and technology that distract us from elsewhere, stagnation, moral, spiritual stagnation.

00:49:53.000 And it would be nice if the progress was not somehow... I thought this phrase when visiting a very elite school recently, where I noticed conversationally the phrase, we're so lucky, we're so lucky.

00:50:06.000 People kept saying they were lucky.

00:50:09.000 Privilege is hoarded luck.

00:50:12.000 And all this progress is, it's contained.

00:50:16.000 It's contained.

00:50:16.000 Yes, there is progress.

00:50:17.000 Of course, you know, you could, like, even, you know, when people hop back and say, would the, like, a team like Nottingham Forest, when they had their two consecutive European Cup wins, would that Nottingham Forest team beat Man City?

00:50:30.000 You sort of think, no!

00:50:31.000 Because, like, you know, you imagine, like, them Forest players was, like, Martin O'Neill, whatever, like, they're, like, properly, probably drinking booze almost at halftime, and, like, these are athletes, like, there's so many actual, that is actual progress.

00:50:46.000 Their diet, the use of technology, those things, that's all sort of wonderful, but has some majesty been lost?

00:50:52.000 Are we more connected to the game?

00:50:54.000 The very fact that a club like Nottingham Forest was able to win the European Cup, it's not, like, what, it depends what, We have a quantitative perspective on reality, rather than a qualitative perspective of reality.

00:51:05.000 We can quantify and measure all things, but essence itself, it cannot be measured.

00:51:11.000 It can only be felt.

00:51:12.000 And like your point, Gareth, that in spite of everything, It's still magic.

00:51:17.000 It reminds me, I've said this before, because it's always something I've thought about a lot, that Lester Bangs, the Rolling Stone journalist, wrote about seeing Elvis Presley towards the end of Elvis's life in Vegas, and he went to sort of take the piss, like, oh, Elvis Presley is no longer the king of rock and roll, he's this joke figure in a bejeweled winegum-covered Yeah, I think so.

00:51:38.000 I mean, ultimately I think that magic does come from us.

00:51:40.000 with him mad scarves and all that stuff but he said that when Elvis sings he

00:51:44.000 said like his hair stood up on end and he shivered because that's there's

00:51:48.000 something in that man there's something that he was able to convey there is a

00:51:52.000 there is a magic there is a majesty there is a beauty there is an essence

00:51:55.000 and that's the reason to sort of argue for that the progress being made there

00:51:59.000 as well yeah I think so I mean ultimately I think that magic does come

00:52:02.000 from us it comes from our relationship with those players our relationship with

00:52:06.000 our own community That's where it comes from.

00:52:10.000 The progress is a side issue.

00:52:14.000 Even whether or not players are technically better than what they used to be, you could say that the fans of Nottingham Forest with those two European Cup wins would have shared the same amount of joy as West Ham fans just did then or Man City fans have done winning the treble.

00:52:29.000 That's what doesn't change, I guess.

00:52:31.000 I like where you say that it's between us, because even say with the Elvis example or the football example, the audience are participating.

00:52:38.000 you're not just passively sort of like, oh, like that, and that is more what's gonna happen

00:52:42.000 if the games are sort of, but he did say, Simon Jordan, that geography's irrelevant at this point,

00:52:46.000 because it's a broadcast medium. Of course they might, you know, you can envisage a time where

00:52:50.000 games are being played in Qatar, games are being played in Malaysia, and then

00:52:54.000 I suppose, gosh, there's an argument for, well, why shouldn't it be? Why shouldn't it be?

00:52:58.000 Why should they not own it? This is a global and I suppose the argument is because it's all for fucking 1.00

00:53:02.000 money. Well, yeah, it's all for money, and it's, I guess, what we know is, 0.99

00:53:06.000 because we know it's all for money, I think it's about,

00:53:10.000 it's about what you're conscious of.

00:53:12.000 Once you know that this is all for money, can you honestly enjoy the FA Cup Final played in Qatar as much as you would it played in Wembley?

00:53:20.000 Maybe you can, but I feel like there's some knowledge there.

00:53:24.000 I mean, the Spanish Cup is now played, I think, in Qatar.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, and I've watched it.

00:53:33.000 I think it's already happening there.

00:53:35.000 And you do watch it and think, this does have a disconnect.

00:53:39.000 And I guess, kind of what I think about is, nationalism is used when it's convenient, but not when it's not convenient.

00:53:46.000 So there's one way where it's like, no, nationalism is good, and that's why we go to war, and that's why we arm our military, and that's why we spend this on the nuclear this.

00:53:53.000 And that's what, you know, but then when it's, oh no, it's convenient for us commercially, nationalism isn't a thing and everything, the game should be played all over the world and it's about embracing different cultures and this, that and the other.

00:54:04.000 It's like, well, no, that's, you have to have a principle.

00:54:07.000 You have to have, what is it?

00:54:08.000 What is nationalism about?

00:54:10.000 Groucho Marx's famous line, those are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others.

00:54:15.000 They'll just apply whatever principle is expedient to achieve the desired objective.

00:54:22.000 One of the things we talk about a lot on here is the success of the Wrexham project and I always try to extract my petty personal jealousy from From my ability to commentate on it and now my jealousy is once again been roused because Wilf Zaha the Palace player and Stormzy the Grime and hip-hop artist have acquired AFC Croydon.

00:54:44.000 I guess Stormzy's from around there Yeah, I suppose.

00:54:47.000 And he's acquired Croydon Athletic, a three-person consortium comprised of Zaha Stormzy and Danny Young's exchange contracts with the existing ownership of AFC Croydon to acquire the assets of the club.

00:54:47.000 Is that right?

00:54:58.000 Now, there's going to be boyhood dream stuff, I'm assuming, there.

00:55:02.000 What's the point of judging?

00:55:04.000 Because really the main thing it makes me want is to buy a football club, which I've sort of wanted to do.

00:55:09.000 For ages.

00:55:10.000 Definitely a couple of years.

00:55:11.000 I mean, did you know that I tried to, when I wasn't good enough to be in the football team at school, I started with football team.

00:55:16.000 Did you know that about me?

00:55:17.000 I did not know this.

00:55:18.000 I started football team.

00:55:19.000 I've still got photos of the football team.

00:55:22.000 What was it made up of?

00:55:22.000 Put it in the local paper.

00:55:24.000 Dollies, mice, old clock parts.

00:55:27.000 There was a leaf in goal.

00:55:29.000 He was good.

00:55:30.000 Very brave.

00:55:30.000 He broke his neck in the cup final, but he played on!

00:55:33.000 He played on with that broken neck.

00:55:34.000 A little subbuteo, man.

00:55:36.000 No, other lads from my year poached them out of, like, existing clubs, like Grey's Tigers and Grey's Harriers, I think they were called.

00:55:42.000 You started a franchise?

00:55:42.000 Wow.

00:55:44.000 Got a photo in the local... I am Saudi Arabia!

00:55:49.000 Came in there with my dirty billions. 0.62

00:55:52.000 Did you offer them, like, big contracts and things?

00:55:54.000 How did it work?

00:55:55.000 I did, I think, offer them some contracts.

00:55:57.000 I've got a lot of good players.

00:55:58.000 One from a low year, Jeff Lewis, he played Bugsy Malone in the Bugsy Malone Where I Was Fat Sam. 0.67

00:56:02.000 Good little actor, arsehole fan.

00:56:04.000 Cracking little actor, lovely player.

00:56:06.000 How was he up front though?

00:56:08.000 Not good.

00:56:10.000 I balked at it.

00:56:10.000 Not too much pressure.

00:56:11.000 No, he was good at that as well.

00:56:12.000 Oxy.

00:56:13.000 He was in the team.

00:56:14.000 David Evans, who I met recently at an airport after dreaming about him.

00:56:18.000 He was there in midfield.

00:56:19.000 Very beautiful player.

00:56:20.000 Classic player.

00:56:21.000 Beautiful.

00:56:22.000 David Platt.

00:56:23.000 Like, technical player.

00:56:24.000 Didn't have too much pace, but very skilled and industrious.

00:56:28.000 What were you then?

00:56:28.000 Were you the chairman?

00:56:29.000 Manager.

00:56:30.000 I'm not good enough to be in the team.

00:56:31.000 The whole reason I'm doing it is to get my dad's approval!

00:56:36.000 What did you tell your dad about it?

00:56:38.000 Yeah, I told him.

00:56:38.000 Guess what, dad?

00:56:39.000 I'm the manager of a football team.

00:56:40.000 So good enough.

00:56:41.000 What are you going to do, mate?

00:56:43.000 Be in goal?

00:56:45.000 I've got my old West Ham seats now, up at my wellness area.

00:56:48.000 Finally, I've found my place in this world.

00:56:50.000 I'm a man who does ice baths and sits in former seats at Upton Park pontificating on the cultural meaning of football.

00:56:57.000 The effing meaning of it all.

00:56:58.000 So, look, I suppose I sort of want to... But now, because Stormzy's done it and Ryan Reynolds has done it, at this point, it's like, I mean, it's not McDonald's, it's not Burger King.

00:57:08.000 Right.

00:57:08.000 It's Wimpy, isn't it?

00:57:09.000 It's bloody Wimpy!

00:57:10.000 In every sense.

00:57:11.000 Like...

00:57:16.000 It's a hamburger that's been made by your mum.

00:57:19.000 Like, Mum, can I have a McDonald's?

00:57:21.000 We'll make a McDonald's here! 0.98

00:57:23.000 It's a bird's-eye beef burger between two bits of Hobbits with ketchup on it.

00:57:31.000 Tesco value ketchup being chomped down into on the settee under a Superman bedspread, not even a duvet.

00:57:39.000 Oh no. 0.98

00:57:40.000 It sucks, doesn't it? 0.98

00:57:41.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.93

00:57:42.000 See, I suppose, look, what it is, is you've just got to stay true to who you are, not worry about what's going on in the world, and stay true to your principles that are somehow some bizarre collision between spiritual utopianism and a kind of economic and political pragmatism derived from anarchism.

00:57:58.000 That's what you've got to do.

00:58:00.000 You have to do that.

00:58:01.000 And I guess also you kind of hope that, like, these being... I guess Zaha must be local as well, from Croydon.

00:58:09.000 And also, you can't begrudge Stormzy and Zaha and Danny Young there.

00:58:13.000 And if they are locals, then you'd think they'd want the very best for that club.

00:58:13.000 No.

00:58:17.000 It's not like a cynical move, is it?

00:58:21.000 Locals have done well taking the club back.

00:58:24.000 Look, and this is not a critique on either the Wrexham Project or this one, but the cynicism is baked in, institutionally.

00:58:30.000 It's unavoidable.

00:58:31.000 And I know that we all participate in that, with whatever endeavour we do.

00:58:36.000 We do this podcast because we love it.

00:58:37.000 We know that on Rumble, primarily, our content has to be establishment attacking content that can attract people from the left and the right.

00:58:45.000 And we're able to do that because we believe that both political parties are corrupt and unable to represent people.

00:58:50.000 And we do this because we love football.

00:58:51.000 But still, in the back of my mind, I think, oh, we've got to grow the views.

00:58:54.000 We've got to have more people listen to it.

00:58:55.000 What are the assets?

00:58:56.000 What's our social media program?

00:58:57.000 Are we optimizing correctly about it?

00:58:59.000 Should the thumbnails be better?

00:59:00.000 Is that graphic appropriate anymore?

00:59:01.000 Should we do that jingle again?

00:59:03.000 I'm like it!

00:59:04.000 That's why I always sort of thought about myself.

00:59:06.000 That's why I thought that I should be a participant in this crazy thing.

00:59:08.000 I don't mean purchasing football clubs in this instance.

00:59:10.000 I more mean a global revolution, is because I know what they are like. I

00:59:16.000 know it. I know the flavor of like that kind of egotism and that kind of

00:59:19.000 urgency to kind of conquer and move forward. I understand it. I understand it. None of

00:59:25.000 us are free of it.

00:59:26.000 It's immersive. It is the aquarium in which we live. It's become our

00:59:30.000 environment. That is Mark Fisher's dialectic on the subject.

00:59:35.000 It's so immersive and totalitarian that you cannot not be within it.

00:59:40.000 And Courtney Love actually pulled me up on this because he used to use,

00:59:44.000 who I'm friends with, he uses Kurt Cobain as an example and I sort of said to him, I

00:59:47.000 don't think he's like he doesn't claim to understand Kurt Cobain in the manner in

00:59:52.000 which you as his wife. 0.55

00:59:54.000 Do, did, God rest his soul.

00:59:56.000 But he's saying that the figure of Kurt Cobain almost represented a culture that understands its own, the sort of futile loop in which it's locked.

01:00:07.000 That nihilism and despair sells on MTV, and the more you decry the system, the more the system is able to present that as a product. 0.99

01:00:16.000 Like the famous Bill Hicks bit, like he sort of says, like he's Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on everything on this goddamn planet. 0.99

01:00:27.000 Oh, the angry dollar. 0.99

01:00:28.000 That's a very useful market.

01:00:28.000 We can market that.

01:00:30.000 You know, like that there's nothing that cannot be mobilized.

01:00:32.000 The plasticity of the system is all immersive.

01:00:35.000 And I guess that once you have that perspective, you can...

01:00:38.000 Perhaps spend too much time bemoaning that, oh, Wrexham though, isn't it just a Disney project?

01:00:44.000 And maybe, maybe it's just easier to go, well, the people of Wrexham are happier, the football club's happier.

01:00:48.000 But there's another point they raise is that I'd really like your take on Gal.

01:00:52.000 It's like that, isn't it mad?

01:00:53.000 Because I brought this up with Simon Jordan. 0.99

01:00:55.000 Fucking talk so much to the geezer. 0.99

01:00:56.000 I'd love to talk to him again. 0.99

01:00:57.000 I love him.

01:00:58.000 I think he's fantastic, actually.

01:00:59.000 But, like, sometimes I feel like, no, I've got to get to what I actually mean, though!

01:01:03.000 And, like, what I actually mean is, isn't it mental that you can have Conor McGregor fight Floyd Mayweather?

01:01:08.000 You can have KSI, a YouTuber, fight Logan Paul, a YouTuber, both obviously very fit.

01:01:14.000 Potent fighters.

01:01:15.000 Now, you have the Wrexham team go over and play against, I feel like they maybe even played the US National.

01:01:20.000 Wow.

01:01:20.000 Ladies.

01:01:21.000 And beat them, like, you know.

01:01:23.000 So now, sport, the thing that, almost the defining thing of sport, is it's meritocratic.

01:01:28.000 It's like, this team is in a division with this team.

01:01:31.000 These are the best players.

01:01:32.000 They can just go, in goal!

01:01:35.000 It's Will Smith!

01:01:36.000 I think it's also maybe the speed at which it's happening.

01:01:37.000 it and like messing with the actual, again, the essence of it. And for me I can't help

01:01:42.000 but see in this, something of the sort of post-modernity itself, everything is falling

01:01:47.000 apart into a kind of madness.

01:01:49.000 I think it's also maybe the speed at which it's happening.

01:01:52.000 I mean, I read an argument for why, again to highlight what you said about the hypocrisy

01:01:58.000 around it, that, you know, there's all this talk about Saudi Arabia at the moment and

01:02:03.000 its clubs buying up Premier League players and you could argue that some of them are

01:02:07.000 Premier League players who are coming towards the end of their careers, but you could also,

01:02:11.000 some aren't.

01:02:12.000 They're mid-career and, like, good players, and it just seems mad that they're going after Saudi Arabia.

01:02:16.000 For those of you watching this on Rumble, those players that are up there... Ah, here we go.

01:02:20.000 And what's the most notable one is a man from City there, Bernardo Silva, right?

01:02:26.000 If Silva goes, I think Neves has gone.

01:02:29.000 Oh yeah, Neves from Wolves.

01:02:30.000 He's like 25, 26, you know, very good player.

01:02:33.000 Pre-peak footballer.

01:02:34.000 Absolutely.

01:02:34.000 Do you think there's a sort of, not racism ain't the right word, but like a kind of assumption that, you know, because it used to be America, right?

01:02:39.000 It used to be like, for a minute, it was America.

01:02:41.000 When you're past your prime, go America and have a sort of a payday holiday.

01:02:45.000 And then it was China for a minute, but he didn't quite catch on on China.

01:02:48.000 Russia's had a go, haven't they? 0.97

01:02:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:02:52.000 I just think, from what I was reading, this person pointed out that, well, what we're saying that the Premier League, I mean, we all remember when the Premier League happened and the Sky money came in, and that was like a revolution for football.

01:03:05.000 There was the point where Sky were even going to buy up Manchester United.

01:03:08.000 You know, that deal, again, fans revolted against that, but it's not like they didn't try to do it.

01:03:14.000 And now everything happens Seemingly happening so quickly and these these transfers are happening and it like you say I can I can see what you're saying about The speed at which it's happening, but maybe it's just something that's been happening for a longer period of time We it's hypocritical for us in this country to extent to say oh I can't believe Saudi Arabia playing all these paying all these players massive wages when that's literally what we've been doing we've been taking players from the

01:03:41.000 their countries of their origin where they could have been plying their trade

01:03:45.000 at the clubs that they were born, but we've literally paid them massive wages to come over

01:03:50.000 and make this Premier League what it is.

01:03:52.000 Why shouldn't Didier Drogba stay Ivory Coast, make Ivory Coast football bot on?

01:03:57.000 Sure, so many examples of that happening that, you know, again the hypocrisy factor of this is

01:04:02.000 yes, okay, there's all sorts of ways we can say Saudi Arabia this, that and the other 0.96

01:04:06.000 but as we know, to go out to politics, America will keep selling them arms, you know, it's ridiculous.

01:04:13.000 And it's the same argument as the World Cup argument.

01:04:16.000 You can't say it without claiming that there's some sort of superiority.

01:04:20.000 Except, I suppose, in sporting terms, the Premier League is measurably, somehow, the best league, the best players, the best managers, the most money.

01:04:30.000 And the fact that those are concomitant facts is hardly a coincidence.

01:04:38.000 You're right.

01:04:38.000 You can't make a moral condemnation of Saudi Arabia and their attempt to use simply the pre-established means to organise their own deal.

01:04:48.000 Well, you're doing this thing, we're doing it.

01:04:50.000 You'd better not do it.

01:04:51.000 There's sand everywhere!

01:04:53.000 Can't do that!

01:04:54.000 There's petrol under the ground, in the holy name of God.

01:04:58.000 Worth tagging this Harry Kane to Bayern Munich.

01:05:00.000 Again, because of my baked-in prejudices, I don't think Bayern Munich is the right sort of club for Harry Kane, because Bayern Munich is a one-club league.

01:05:11.000 I know, like, Bayer Leverkusen, or... Well, Dortmund nearly won it.

01:05:14.000 Dortmund nearly this year.

01:05:15.000 It was the last game of the season.

01:05:16.000 They threw it away.

01:05:17.000 Threw it away, Dortmund.

01:05:19.000 They just needed to win, and they didn't.

01:05:21.000 It's weird, isn't it, that?

01:05:22.000 I mean, it's weird, isn't it?

01:05:22.000 Because obviously, an argument that is continually being made is that the Premier League is in danger of being capsized by the superiority of Manchester City.

01:05:32.000 And yet, at the end of the day, only five points between them and Arsenal.

01:05:37.000 Five choked points.

01:05:38.000 But is that because they just needed to do enough?

01:05:41.000 I mean, they lost to Brentford, was it, last game of the season?

01:05:45.000 I just feel like they got to a point where they were like... So even that five points ain't indicative?

01:05:49.000 It's not fully.

01:05:50.000 So, then what about Bayern Munich?

01:05:53.000 I totally see your point.

01:05:53.000 The thing about Bayern Munich, again, and I don't know enough about... Because they only won the last 11 or something.

01:05:58.000 They have, and obviously, you know... Don't go and play for a team that's won a lot.

01:06:01.000 I mean, that's like, Harry Kane wants trophies, understandably, because he's a prime athlete.

01:06:05.000 He's the highest goalscorer this country's ever had for the national team.

01:06:09.000 He'll likely break Alan Shearer's record in the top flight.

01:06:13.000 If he starts, yeah.

01:06:16.000 So, mentally, psychologically, to sort of solve the problem of not having won trophies by going to a club that always wins trophies, in a sense, what kind of personal achievement do you get from that?

01:06:30.000 I don't know, but Man City have won four of the last five.

01:06:35.000 Paris Saint-Germain, you could say that's definitely a one-team league.

01:06:38.000 You don't want to be offensive, but in terms of their might, they are.

01:06:43.000 There are Barcelona and obviously Real and Barcelona, VAR between them at the moment, which is a good thing, although there's all sorts of stuff going on between Serious great for Napoli

01:06:52.000 win that it seems that because actually

01:06:57.000 Italian football because of corruption has been there's been a lot of

01:07:00.000 Interventionism hasn't they made like Juventus bounce down a couple of leagues and stuff like that

01:07:04.000 So, you know sense aren't we already seeing are we saying isn't it like quite possible that someone some erudite

01:07:10.000 figure?

01:07:11.000 So they should get someone like bloody Simon Jordan actually to head it up instead of having someone from JP

01:07:15.000 Morgan What would their interest be in this Super League?

01:07:19.000 What do they traditionally do over at JP Morgan?

01:07:21.000 Um, like, couldn't someone come along and persuade you?

01:07:25.000 Look, if Man City, four out of the last five times, have won it, if, you know, Barcelona and Real, if even in Italy there's only a couple of teams that are capable of it, and Bayern, to make the national leagues more competitive, doesn't it make sense to create this national Super League?

01:07:39.000 Or rather, this global Super League?

01:07:41.000 Don't you think that the argument, the momentum of the argument, is self-evident through the figures?

01:07:46.000 Yeah, I guess the thing with that is... I mean, that's a kind of cynical way of... You're going to establish, like, a new... I don't know, a dominant ten teams, and then what's going to happen to all the other teams?

01:07:59.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:08:00.000 They don't get to play because that's their... Then you're depriving... Yeah, right.

01:08:03.000 Then it's like pulling teams out of their own national leagues.

01:08:06.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:08:07.000 Maybe it is going that way.

01:08:08.000 It is worrying to an extent.

01:08:10.000 I suppose as a fan, it's how much do you want to hold on to I mean, how important is tradition?

01:08:19.000 I mean, a lot of people would say it's extremely important.

01:08:22.000 I agree, and in fact that's the point we were making, you know, earlier in our chat,

01:08:27.000 excuse me, and I know we basically agree, and the conversation I was having with Simon Jordan.

01:08:31.000 So, if we've established that principle, that we don't want the natural migration to be towards

01:08:38.000 an elite league, even though it's pretty plain that that's formatively already present, then

01:08:45.000 there is a necessity for regulation. What some people say is, oh, regulation on transfer spending

01:08:50.000 or wages or whatever, but that's just, that's too minor, isn't it? Yeah.

01:08:55.000 It doesn't even work.

01:08:56.000 I mean, look at Chelsea. 0.77

01:08:56.000 I mean, that's not even working. 0.77

01:08:57.000 They're just giving players eight-year contracts.

01:08:59.000 They invade it.

01:09:00.000 Exactly.

01:09:01.000 So they can spread those transfer fees.

01:09:03.000 That's why this podcast works for you.

01:09:04.000 If you're an American who don't even know much about football, I mean, obviously when we start talking about Barry Fry, in a second you might become somewhat confused, but we're all confused by Barry Fry.

01:09:13.000 Like, but isn't it the perfect model to understand reality?

01:09:17.000 Oh, we're introducing some legislation to prevent, for example, people in Congress trading stocks and shares.

01:09:23.000 Oh, but what if their family member does it?

01:09:25.000 Oh yeah, yeah, that'd be alright, so that's passed in.

01:09:27.000 Whenever there's regulation or legislation, it doesn't do the job that the rule was supposed to do, it just gives you the ability to say, we made a rule.

01:09:35.000 You said that you wanted a rule, we beat Big Pharma this year.

01:09:38.000 Is Big Pharma going to be meaningfully penalised, or is there just a handful of drugs that are going to be regulated, and the pharmaceutical industry will adjust to make other products profitable, they will still have the same lobbying power, they will still have the same donation power, sorry, yes, basically.

01:09:51.000 And the same thing happens with football, like as Gareth just explained, Chelsea, Sorry.

01:09:55.000 Out of control.

01:09:55.000 Wow.

01:09:56.000 That's a record number, I'll tell you.

01:09:57.000 Yeah, I know.

01:09:57.000 Well, I've drunk a lot of kombucha.

01:09:59.000 I'm very excited.

01:10:00.000 In some cultures, that burping is considered to be like a shamanic sort of transition.

01:10:04.000 In others, it's actually just bad manners.

01:10:07.000 In our one, it's just actually a poorly, poor taste.

01:10:11.000 I mean, significant amount of the air in this room now is my farts and burps, isn't it?

01:10:16.000 We're living in my farts.

01:10:16.000 Yes, it is.

01:10:17.000 I can confirm.

01:10:20.000 And I would disconfirm.

01:10:21.000 All right, well, listen, in a sort of a welcome pang of nostalgia, there's T-Up, dear Barry Fry.

01:10:28.000 He was an old-school journeyman manager.

01:10:30.000 I think he managed Peterborough, Southend, I know he managed for a while.

01:10:33.000 these guys because you i think ended into that when reality td became a thing

01:10:36.000 in our country that was like a big brother show that i was a host of one of

01:10:40.000 the two satellite shows often uh... that they were we'd really shows like driving school

01:10:45.000 and all the people being bad drivers and

01:10:48.000 you know they went on and on a few other than selling you as well as i was a

01:10:51.000 little lady called norraine in that and i and and there's a like all of that i guess very fried

01:10:56.000 feel i became so a bit famous yeah i guess i guess there's some sort of flaw

01:10:59.000 in the walls i would known in our country documentary and followed him as he 0.69

01:11:03.000 as he managed very football club i remember i was a love shit like this and i'm not surprised that 0.61

01:11:07.000 things like all or nothing are just massive global products now 0.80

01:11:10.000 where it's in for nfl or the pre-epl that people just love this stuff

01:11:14.000 Documentaries about football.

01:11:15.000 What's not to like?

01:11:16.000 What's not to like?

01:11:17.000 Heartbreaks, frills, chills, it's everything you want, isn't it?

01:11:21.000 Insider information, mad quotidian details about people eating beans on toast, Deli Alley specifically, in the Spurs one that was.

01:11:29.000 I mean, it gives you so much, like, it's rewarding.

01:11:32.000 And in fact, you know, this Wrexham thing, I suppose, do you know what it is, is like, you know, with that Wrexham thing, sort of thing, like, I sort of might have nearly done that.

01:11:40.000 It's like, it's not beyond... It's more of a missed opportunity, isn't it?

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:42.000 It's a missed opportunity, it's greed.

01:11:44.000 It's self-centred greed.

01:11:45.000 That's what's motivating me right now.

01:11:47.000 Let's have a look at Barry Fry, because as we enter this frenzy of transfers where Declan Rice might go to Arsenal or even Man City, which just seems like a ludicrous stockpile, just flinging him, flinging him like into a harem.

01:11:59.000 Like he might as well, like, eunuch him off and bang him up for a sultan. 0.86

01:12:04.000 That's probably the kind of occidentalism that we're trying to prevent, actually. 0.82

01:12:08.000 But in any event, this is a In a sense, a more innocent time, but in another way, a more disgusting time, where transfer deals were carried out with incredible bravado and casual lackadaisical Cockney slang.

01:12:24.000 Next on his wanted list, the Wickham striker, Miguel de Souza.

01:12:29.000 How are you, mate?

01:12:35.000 It's barely bothering to separate those words, is it?

01:12:38.000 How are you, mate?

01:12:42.000 It's like when someone plays a saw on a talent show.

01:12:45.000 How are you, mate?

01:12:50.000 He's in for some hard bargaining.

01:12:56.000 Who's talking, you mean?

01:12:57.000 Sean Bean.

01:12:57.000 Sounds like Sean Bean, yeah.

01:12:58.000 Sean Bean, that's Sean Bean.

01:13:00.000 Yeah.

01:13:01.000 I think we're gonna be looking at 8.50, 9.50.

01:13:04.000 Now look, I bet that's 2000 and something, and everything's so metal, 1997.

01:13:08.000 Like that might as well be 1950.

01:13:10.000 Look at that Giza, he would never have a football agent like that now. 1.00

01:13:12.000 That's an accountant, that's a local charred accountant, that Giza. 0.99

01:13:16.000 You couldn't have him now, they're all like people swaggering about in a silk shirt, 50 million quid, just arrive on a yacht, like George Mendez, like powerful enough to get a whole Portuguese national team into one football club.

01:13:25.000 Look at that agent now, he just goes home and has a Finder's Crispy Pancake, doesn't he?

01:13:31.000 On, like, a chair from a garden centre.

01:13:33.000 Yeah, his little tray.

01:13:35.000 I've got me little tray, actually, where I've done a good transfer deal tonight.

01:13:38.000 What's that, love?

01:13:39.000 I say, no, I did a good transfer deal today.

01:13:41.000 I'll expect an extra pancake for that, please, darling.

01:13:44.000 How about another extra slice of that Wool's Vionetta?

01:13:47.000 Oh, no, you'll watch out for your heart.

01:13:50.000 No, no, no.

01:13:52.000 You ain't gonna get that. 0.99

01:13:53.000 Fucking hell, are you sure? 0.99

01:13:56.000 You ain't gonna get that. 0.99

01:13:58.000 I'm desperate for you, but I can't get nowhere near that.

01:14:02.000 First year, 550.

01:14:03.000 Second year... By the way, it's pounds, not 550 grand.

01:14:06.000 It's not 550 grand like what that's like what Declan yeah, right?

01:14:12.000 So I love turned down 200 grand a week Wow West Ham is still run a bit mad by David Sullivan in his bizarre

01:14:17.000 Russian attire He likes or said like he's like just when we offered him

01:14:21.000 200 grand a week last year. He never took it That's he's going he's going because while Declan was

01:14:25.000 saying stuff like you know this we'll see we'll see We're all like maybe he's gonna stay maybe

01:14:34.000 Meanwhile David Sullivan just like briefing like the press directly

01:14:37.000 I think texting like Jim White like we've offered him 200 grand a week. He's going he's definitely going

01:14:42.000 six Third year, 650.

01:14:47.000 Plus 10 grand for 30 goals.

01:14:52.000 Down in the fire factory.

01:14:54.000 All competitions.

01:14:56.000 Each season.

01:14:59.000 Supposing you have a survival bonus.

01:15:03.000 Love that.

01:15:04.000 Survival bonus.

01:15:06.000 If we had, like, a survival bonus, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? 0.99

01:15:09.000 Like, George Mendez, I reckon, like, the agents now, sports agents now, I reckon they actually get their penis and balls out during conversation. 0.99

01:15:15.000 Yeah, terrifying people, I imagine. 1.00

01:15:16.000 They're all balls and penises, all shaved. 1.00

01:15:18.000 Right. 1.00

01:15:18.000 And they oil them up with, like, some sort of, like, real sort of essential oils. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Like, they might say, don't put that on if you're pregnant or around certain pets.

01:15:26.000 They'll put that on their sandalwood or something.

01:15:26.000 Right.

01:15:28.000 George Mendes gets there and does his shirt like that.

01:15:31.000 If you want this, if you want Nevis, you're gonna have to give us a seat in your parliament.

01:15:36.000 Right.

01:15:36.000 He did that with the Saudis.

01:15:38.000 I say that he did.

01:15:40.000 And I'll just... Allegedly!

01:15:43.000 No, I have to press that in the football is nice section.

01:15:45.000 Because I don't normally defame powerful figures with insubstantiated, made-up stuff, just for a laugh. 0.96

01:15:54.000 I fucking love it. 0.82

01:15:55.000 How much? 0.99

01:15:58.000 We've got eight games.

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 How much?

01:16:01.000 Ten grand.

01:16:02.000 How much?

01:16:02.000 Ten.

01:16:04.000 How much?

01:16:04.000 Ten.

01:16:08.000 It's got to be money well spent.

01:16:10.000 It is.

01:16:11.000 Five.

01:16:12.000 It is five.

01:16:14.000 Lovely.

01:16:14.000 Them were the days, weren't they?

01:16:14.000 Very good.

01:16:16.000 Simpler, more innocent times.

01:16:16.000 Very good.

01:16:19.000 And now transfers, like, for example, if you take Messi's transfer to... What was he called?

01:16:24.000 Miami.

01:16:25.000 Miami, yeah.

01:16:26.000 David Beckham's into Miami.

01:16:29.000 The MLS itself invests in the transfer.

01:16:32.000 Messi's going to be able to start his own franchise after five years.

01:16:35.000 Adidas, the sponsor of the league and the individual, I think, are contributing to the transfer as well as the club.

01:16:41.000 That's how complex it's become.

01:16:43.000 It's recognised that the sport is not just, we've got this little tribe and we'll be playing these other tribes.

01:16:48.000 No, this is a commodity.

01:16:50.000 I think the broadcasters are paying him as well.

01:16:53.000 It's all folded in.

01:16:54.000 It's acknowledged what the reality of it is all, you know, it's all sort of explicitly, like, acknowledged in the deal.

01:17:01.000 Hey, before we go into that though, what's that Gary Neville on Dragon's Den?

01:17:04.000 Is that real?

01:17:05.000 I want to check that out.

01:17:07.000 Guess I'm right, okay.

01:17:09.000 Because that thing, really cool, and he's a guest in Dragon's Den, Gary Neville, that sort of makes sense.

01:17:13.000 So I went on that lad, Stephen Bartley, director, CEO, the other week, which is the show on which Gary Neville said... Many holidays.

01:17:21.000 Many holidays, many retirements.

01:17:23.000 I follow many retirements.

01:17:24.000 Like I retire five o'clock on Friday, Monday, oh, my retirement's off.

01:17:28.000 Yeah, that's the weekend, that's what that is, mate.

01:17:30.000 There was a flag, wasn't there, at Glastonbury saying that I'm enjoying this mini-retirement, or this is my mini-retirement, stuff like that.

01:17:37.000 So, Gary Neville's going to be... Yeah, why not?

01:17:40.000 He's a very successful businessman, isn't he?

01:17:42.000 Because he's got that hotel where he never greeted me.

01:17:44.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:17:45.000 That hotel I stayed at, where in my mind... I think he's got mould, but he just hasn't got a little hotel.

01:17:49.000 He's got loads of stuff, real estate, all over Salford.

01:17:52.000 And Salford Football Club.

01:17:54.000 And now he's going to be a dragon.

01:17:55.000 I don't want to be a dragon!

01:17:58.000 Where's your franchise?

01:17:58.000 What have you got?

01:18:00.000 You're gonna have to get that football team up and going.

01:18:03.000 David, what's his chops on the phone?

01:18:05.000 George Memphis!

01:18:07.000 Right lads, we're starting the old team up!

01:18:10.000 As I've told you, free dinner tickets! 0.96

01:18:15.000 If you're a butt, I tell you what, I run a tight ship. 0.99

01:18:18.000 You'll find me a good leader, but if you mess with me, you are out! 1.00

01:18:21.000 No, I can't.

01:18:22.000 As soon as I see anyone do anything, I think I should do it, don't I?

01:18:25.000 Yeah.

01:18:25.000 You've got to get out of that habit, I think.

01:18:27.000 You don't want to be in dragons, do you?

01:18:28.000 You can't do everything, also.

01:18:29.000 Also, when it came to filming, you'd be like, I don't want to do this.

01:18:32.000 I'm not doing this, I hate it.

01:18:32.000 Oh, Russell, we've got to do a four o'clock pick-up for Dragons' Den.

01:18:35.000 I'm not fucking going. 0.96

01:18:37.000 Get in the car. 0.99

01:18:38.000 Oh, can you not wear that shirt?

01:18:39.000 It's my favourite shirt.

01:18:39.000 I like that shirt.

01:18:40.000 The problem is it's strobing.

01:18:41.000 Do you mind if we put this mic over the shirt?

01:18:43.000 No, I'm not doing it.

01:18:44.000 Can we just put a bit of make-up?

01:18:46.000 No, I only want Nicola doing my make-up.

01:18:48.000 Oh, do you mind spending a bit extra?

01:18:49.000 We've got to do these pick-ups.

01:18:50.000 No, do it.

01:18:50.000 Just do a reverse.

01:18:51.000 Cut me out of it.

01:18:52.000 Do a clean single. 0.98

01:18:53.000 I ain't fucking doing it. 0.97

01:18:54.000 Well, we're glad we booked you up! 0.99

01:18:57.000 Somebody get Gary on the phone!

01:19:00.000 Get Gary Neville!

01:19:01.000 I will do it.

01:19:01.000 I'm just going to enjoy this little mini retirement.

01:19:03.000 Russell, could you stop poking Duncan Bannatyne's ball bag with your pen?

01:19:07.000 No, I've got to.

01:19:07.000 I've got to poke it.

01:19:08.000 I want to see what's inside there.

01:19:09.000 It's part of his secrets, part of his essence.

01:19:11.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

01:19:13.000 Jordan Pearson once, in that interview with that lady out of New Statesman, Helen Lewis, she goes, you know, you wrote this thing saying lobsters have these traits and that's why human beings do it, but you don't write about whales and, like, female whales are very dominant in their pods.

01:19:29.000 He goes, I can't write a book about everything!

01:19:32.000 I like that as his defence, the fact that the book can't be about... It's because it's so true. 1.00

01:19:40.000 This book's about everything, I've covered that.

01:19:42.000 What, Wales have matriarchs? 1.00

01:19:44.000 Yeah, that's in there.

01:19:46.000 What, George Mendez oils himself up with Sandalwood before he does negotiations with the United Arab Emirates?

01:19:51.000 Yep, that's all in there, it's verifiable and true.

01:19:53.000 Funny, isn't it?

01:19:54.000 Yeah, good.

01:19:55.000 That's what we've got time for.

01:19:56.000 We've got time for all sorts of things.

01:19:58.000 But Football is Nice is back next week.

01:20:00.000 You can listen to the whole conversation as a podcast.

01:20:05.000 So join us then.

01:20:07.000 Because, after all, football is nice.

01:20:09.000 Football is nice.

01:20:11.000 On tomorrow's show is the first part of our censorship industrial complex special featuring myself Michael Schellenberger

01:20:24.000 and Matt Taibbi

01:20:26.000 The issues we're discussing here, not the crazy stuff about football, although some of the political and economic aspects of it, will be covered in that show.

01:20:33.000 It's exclusive, it's fantastic, it's only available to you, Rumble viewers.

01:20:38.000 Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:20:41.000 Until then, stay free.

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