Russell Brand is joined by his favourite son, Gareth, to discuss a range of topics including the Kennedy assassination, the Russian coup, the leaked audio of Donald Trump and much, much more. Plus, a pull up competition to raise money for the campaign of his father, Robert F. Kennedy. And, of course, there's a new segment called Locals, in which Russell and Gareth try to beat each other to the prize of $50 by elderly gentleman in feats of strength. And, as always, stay free, and remember, free speech is free speech. And that means, if you like what you hear, tweet us if you liked it! or text to 555888 and we'll get back to you with a brand new episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand, starting next week. Timestamps: 2:00 - The Kennedy Assassination 4:30 - The Assassination of Robert Kennedy 6:15 - The Kennedys 7:00 - The Russian Coup 8:00- The Leak 9:40 - The Trump Audio 11:20 - The leaked Trump audio 12:40- The JFK Assassinations 13:30- RFK 14:30 - RFK and the Kennedy Family 15:40 16:00 | The Kennedy Legacy 17:30 | RFK & the Kennedy Dynasty 18:15 | The Assassinations? 19:50 Is it possible? 21: Is it time to take steroids? 22:40 | Is there any such thing as 'Juicing?' 23: Is there something wrong with juicing? 25:00: Does it really work? 26:10 | Is it wrong? 27: Should you take steroids in juicing ? 28:00 // Is it juicing in juising? 35:10 36:20 | Should I take my top off off? 31:00 + 32:20 33:30 // 35:00 / 36:00 Is there anything wrong with me juicing or not juicing?? 37:00/37:00 & 39: Is this the only thing I'm thinking of juicing, or not? 39:40 + 39:00 Can I get some juice in a pullup competition? 44:30/40? 45:30 / 45:40 & 45:00 And so on?
00:01:45.000And once we're off YouTube, you're watching us on YouTube right now, you're watching us on Twitter right now.
00:01:49.000Well, we're going to appear here for a little while, or gut bucket, or whatever social media destination you find yourself, but we'll be exclusively on Rumble, home of free speech, talking about What I call one of Rumble's favourite sons.
00:02:01.000He may have once belonged to the Kennedy dynasty, RFK, but now he belongs to the Rumble family, a family where free speech is protected.
00:02:09.000I don't think there's ever been anything in his family history where free speech has led to any tragedies at all.
00:02:16.000Also, we've got a fantastic story regarding the leaked audio of Donald Trump.
00:02:22.000We're looking at it in depth, we're giving you a perspective on it that's going to knock your bloody knickers off.
00:02:27.000But let's get into the, what I call, an unusual take on the normal news right now.
00:02:33.000Do you know, hold on, before this though, I just want to say, I've become, I'm getting more friendly with RFK by the day.
00:04:21.000Anyway, we'll get into that in more depth off YouTube, because he's been banned again from YouTube, and we love our 6.4 million Awakening Wonders over there.
00:04:28.000We're confused as to how that number has frozen.
00:05:03.000How are they justifying the Purgosian rebellion leading to more Ukraine aid?
00:05:07.000Because either way it's going to lead to more military aid isn't it?
00:05:11.000Obviously the media have said this was a huge success, this destabilised Russia, this embarrassed Putin, this is why we need to keep going in the manner that we have done.
00:05:19.000Even though, as we've talked about with our NATO and Jeffrey Sachs this week, the counter-offensive has not been successful, it's been losing a thousand Ukrainian lives a day, it's been a bloodbath as reported in some sections of the news, even though in the media they'll report things very differently.
00:05:34.000Look how they reported it straight away.
00:05:36.000This is literally an hour after that coup when it wasn't plain or clear at all how it should be analysed or what, if any, conclusions could be drawn from it.
00:05:45.000Russia looks increasingly medieval after the coup that wasn't.
00:05:49.000We've got a fantastic story for you later in the week that describes how many of the lockdown measures literally leaned into Medieval science, which is oxymoronic.
00:05:57.000You didn't have science in the medieval times.
00:05:59.000Putin's weaknesses laid bare, as well as his lovely chest, after 24 hours of rebellion in Russia.
00:06:06.000Well, that sounds like a sort of good name for a tour.
00:06:08.000Bizarre and chaotic 36 hours in Russia feels like the beginning of the end for Putin.
00:06:13.000So there's the media utilizing that event to convey a story that It's possibly dubious that it is a demonstration of Putin's instability and infallibility.
00:06:26.000And the military-industrial complex, you know, and their allies in the media, immediately reached the conclusion, the best thing to do here, the best thing to do is to send a bunch of weapons to Ukraine, Mexico, who knows where they'll end up, 70% of them can't be tracked, another audit failed by the Pentagon, they're people that need another 6.8 billion in expenditure, aren't they?
00:06:45.000Yeah, it's not the beginning of the end for the arms industry, isn't it?
00:06:48.000So, like, three arms industry lobbyists have told Politico, mainstream news, that they believe the progrossion uprising will help hawks argue for a supplemental spending package for the Pentagon and Ukraine.
00:06:57.000We already know that with the deal that they did with the debt ceiling, that emergency funding was not affected by the debt ceiling deal that they did, and that this £113 billion that's already been spent on the war can just continue.
00:07:39.000Yeah, so this is like 50 call options that Paul Pelosi has exercised, which he purchased in May 2022 and has now exercised those.
00:07:49.000He's kind of cashing in on those options.
00:07:51.000And since he's done that, obviously, can you imagine they've climbed 33% in Apple shares and 29% in Microsoft shares.
00:07:58.000So that's another few millions to add to the Pelosi's coffers.
00:08:03.000Says here that buying and selling an Apple accounted for 17% over 70% of the Pelosi's overall trading volume.
00:08:09.000And yet during the same period, Pelosi held at least one private conversation with Apple CEO Tim Cook about the state of Apple and possible effects on the company from various pending bills to reform Silicon Valley.
00:08:20.000So Eva, let me know in the comments which you think it is.
00:08:24.000Is Pelosi some kind of like Two-faced Harvey Dent, schizophrenic figure, who's having one conversation with Tim Cook.
00:08:31.000Oh, this is what we're going to be doing at Apple.
00:09:02.000Hey, I'm not saying that that's what went on.
00:09:05.000I would feel physically sick if anyone assumed that that was my take on this ridiculous story, but given that we're living in a crazy old world where even Marco Rubio has admitted to being briefed First hand, first hand on the retrieval of UFOs, it's impossible to know almost which way's up.
00:09:31.000Centralist authoritarian models are doubling down as we told you yesterday.
00:09:35.000Elon Musk's real battle, ain't with Mark Zuckerberg, is with the censorship industrial complex.
00:09:40.000And remember, later this week we're gonna exclusively, you should sign up for this, Exclusively show you me, Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger, and a very surprising special guest.
00:09:49.000Perhaps the person who's been most impacted by the censorship industrial complex.
00:10:46.000I believe these whistleblowers are legit.
00:10:48.000I believe some of this new footage is legit.
00:10:50.000We're going to be talking about this later, in the coming days, about how this story is escalating, but I know a lot of you think it's a distraction.
00:10:56.000Well, the real distraction in this piece of footage is the plants outside the house are exactly the same as the plant in the house, and the plant in the house is communicating, possibly via UFO technology, With the plants outside the house.
00:13:17.000But what is neither credible nor incredible is the unknowable activated nothingness that is behind all material reality.
00:13:26.000This exclusively from Marco Rubio and his animated plants.
00:13:30.000You can obviously see why a lot of, I think probably a lot of our audience, are talking about this being a distraction.
00:13:35.000It is interesting that it's coming about at the same time as all the things going on with Hunter Biden and lots of other news stories.
00:13:41.000Obviously the situation with Ukraine, the continuing arming of Ukraine through the military-industrial complex, you can see why that's something that they would be interested in.
00:14:12.000Someone's recovery from, you know, drug addiction is a very different thing to potential tax evasion, or bungs, or bribery, or whatever else it is.
00:14:22.000Or even if it's just using... Bungs, bribery, evasion... Right, you know... Guns.
00:14:35.000I ain't paying my taxes, I'm on drugs!
00:14:38.000Yeah, but you know, when you're in a situation where, like it's been suggested, he's sitting with his father telling energy companies in China or Russia or Ukraine, wherever it is, that they're going to need to pay them for this and that we've got the best access and the Bidens are the best at doing everything, that isn't a situation where we should be talking about the President of the United States.
00:14:58.000When we talk about Donald Trump being murky and having these deals and having these documents, then we're talking about Biden, who's meant to be the complete opposite to that.
00:15:38.000Soon, RFK and I are gonna be mano a mano in combat of the body and mind, raising, I hope, a lot of money, particularly once I start my steroid program.
00:16:21.000The censorship industrial complex is exactly what me, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger are talking about on our show on Friday.
00:16:27.000You're not going to want to miss that.
00:16:29.000There are a set of unelected interests, some state and still somehow they've bypassed democracy, some private that plainly have an agenda.
00:16:38.000The EU are introducing laws that are going to allow them to ban Twitter unless Twitter comply.
00:16:44.000Fining Twitter and any social media platform for up to six percent of their turnover, that's Undoable for a global corporation.
00:16:51.000They're hitting them right where it hurts, right up the minerals, right up the nuts.
00:16:55.000They cannot countenance that kind of loss.
00:16:57.000Even Elon Musk, a figure who's fighting for freedom of speech, I know many of you think that, let me know in the chat if you agree, let us know, all of you, let me know, is obviously unwilling to, he says, you know, if it's made law, Twitter will obey the law.
00:17:08.000And of course, a CEO of a country, or a company, same thing these days, can't go, can't say, no, we're going to break the law.
00:18:44.000The episode marked the launch of a podcast in which Kennedy, an environmental attorney and presidential aspirant for 2024, discusses an array of subjects from his medication... his meditation routine.
00:18:53.000Not his medication routine, that would have been much more controversial.
00:18:55.000That would have been the problem, and that's actually the irony with this, is he wasn't talking... well, seemingly he wasn't talking about that.
00:19:00.000How's he got that upper body strength?
00:19:02.000I'm not going to yield to him in this pull-up contest.
00:19:05.000These meditation routines, his ambition of overhauling federal health agencies, that would be a bit more of a problem, and the Democratic Party, that's going to be an issue.
00:19:15.000Other issues covered included handling environmental concerns and the middle class, because I suppose ultimately this is, I suppose, what's fascinating.
00:19:22.000As these centralist and authoritarian forces further coalesce, it's not just going to be what once were regarded as vulnerable demographics that are penalised.
00:19:31.000It's increasingly going to be a situation where, unless you are directly participating in the elite establishment, either as one of those institutions, a high-up member of it, Or one of their bureaucratic assistants or aides.
00:19:46.000I remember when Greenwald said that thing, that this is no longer the time of the plutocrat philanthropist throwing dollar bills from their limo as they pass.
00:19:54.000Now they're doubling down with AI and robocop dogs and preparing for a time of draconian control.
00:20:02.000And you can see that bureaucratically, you can see that in new laws that are being introduced around protest, the ability to surveil, the ability to censor.
00:20:08.000That's why this censorship industrial complex show that we've done, me, Matt Taibbi and Schellenberger, is important.
00:20:13.000I believe we've got a graphic for that.
00:20:16.000Can we just see that briefly, a bit of a graphic?
00:21:06.000Kennedy made noteworthy remarks concerning censorship.
00:21:09.000We're back to the Kennedy interview now.
00:21:10.000A topic he himself encountered on platforms such as Instagram and YouTube, he opined that if elected president he would engage with tech giants to explore ways to put an end to what he perceives as the un-American practice of censorship.
00:21:21.000RFK is a person I will be texting directly about our Tayibi and Schellenberger special.
00:21:27.000Also, I want to get inside his head a little bit before the pull-up competition.
00:21:30.000With literal regard to Matt Taibbi from there, something he mentioned that him and Mark Schoenberger started was this virality project, which he's talked about a lot, this cross-platform information sharing program led by Stanford University.
00:21:44.000So this was relating to RFK, as we've just been talking.
00:21:48.000The Variety Project, if a person told a true story about someone developing myocarditis after getting vaccinated, even if that person was just telling a story, even if they weren't saying the short cause of the myocarditis, the Variety Project just saw that post that may promote hesitancy.
00:22:01.000So this content was true, but politically categorised as anti-vax and therefore misinformation untrue.
00:22:08.000When you get a situation where RFK doesn't seem to matter what he says anymore, he's been put in that box of this is untrue and therefore he needs to be removed.
00:23:12.000The mainstream media are excited because they have audio of Trump sharing the contents of those classified boxes, which reveal that America was planning a war with Iran.
00:23:21.000Guess what they're more excited about?
00:23:25.000Donald Trump, it has now been somewhat proven, let me know in the comments if you agree, did share the content of those classified boxes.
00:23:31.000I mean you can hear him doing it and admitting all the time, I shouldn't be doing this but have a look in there, look in there.
00:23:36.000Isn't it also significant and interesting that the contents of those boxes reveal that there was a plan to go to war with Iran?
00:23:43.000What do you think is going to have a bigger impact on your life?
00:23:46.000Let's listen for ourselves, see if Donald Trump really did share classified information.
00:24:21.000Doesn't everyone basically think that presidents and high-ranking politicians have access to classified information and in private communicate this information?
00:24:29.000Don't we all just basically assume that Trump revealed to us the essential nature of power as Dave Chappelle memorably said in his SNL speech.
00:24:38.000He was the president that said, you know all the stuff you think we're doing in there?
00:24:49.000So once again they're doubling down on the idea that Trump has been caught out sharing the contents of a box that's ultimately meant to be classified, that he said he kept golf shirts in and golf tees and all sorts of golf stuff in.
00:25:01.000Isn't it more interesting, more significant, more of a condemnation of systemic power and the state of the world we're in, that within those boxes were the plans for the US military to engage Iran in war?
00:25:14.000Isn't that more likely to affect your life, my life, the state of the world?
00:25:17.000Why are we talking about the personality rather than the principle?
00:25:21.000Why are we talking about minor transgressions like the revelation of classified information?
00:25:27.000Which, you know, if that's wrong, that's wrong.
00:25:28.000Let me know in the comments if you think it's wrong.
00:25:30.000Is it as significant as US plans for war with Iran?
00:25:34.000What over the past 20 years has had a bigger impact on you?
00:25:37.000The revelation of state secrets, think of the most memorable one, WikiLeaks, which just told you there were loads of illegal murders that went on in all those Middle Eastern wars?
00:25:45.000Or has it been the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, wars reaching back,
00:25:49.000the current war, whether it's financially how it impacts you, emotionally, spiritually,
00:25:54.000the fact that it kills people all over the world, Americans and of other nations.
00:25:59.000What's the biggest story here and why are the mainstream media not interrogating this
00:27:22.000Nope, nope, that's a 5-iron, don't need that.
00:27:24.000Ah, there it is, Millie saying that they want to go to war with Iran.
00:27:27.000Now of course if the agreed upon law is a president's not supposed to reveal classified information then he's banged to rights it sounds like, unless that's a very good impersonation of him, but isn't it sort of more interesting, important, epochal and likely to affect your life, oil prices, stability of the world, if America plan another bloody war in Iran?
00:29:21.000And I feel that the problem that it highlights is, oh, yeah, you know, the system that, you know, is corrupt and you know that there's sort of secret wars that are economically undergirded and then they sell it to you as being a moral humanitarian war.
00:29:32.000Well this kind of shows that all happening and even in the tape it's sort of almost more damaging to Hillary Clinton because they pretend that they're sort of above all that stuff.
00:31:12.000So in response to the sort of chilling statement that the military-industrial complex have never met a war they didn't want, what is Donald Trump's response?
00:32:13.000Now that I've heard him rifling through those papers like a mouse, that's put me off him.
00:32:18.000The reporting on the story reiterates that problem.
00:32:21.000Why are they not saying, I mean it's obviously a matter of concern that it appears there are secret plans to go to war with Iran and of course there are comparable stories within the Democrat Party and comparable stories of corruption.
00:32:31.000And obviously there's no point in us continually focusing on Trump and saying Trump's worse, Trump's worse, Trump's worse.
00:32:36.000Because loads of people, about half, think Trump's Better.
00:32:39.000Why not do something about the system itself, whether that's the system of government or the system of media reporting?
00:32:45.000The issue stems from Trump's apparent frustration with what he claimed was a false narrative being pushed by the press that after losing the 2020 election, under the advice of then Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu... You're always going on about Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:33:02.000And the coterie of Iran hawks he'd surround himself with.
00:33:05.000Trump was dangerously close to ordering strikes on Iran that could have triggered full-scale war and had to be talked down from it by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley.
00:33:14.000But the former president maintained the reality of the situation was the exact opposite.
00:33:17.000That it was Milley and the Pentagon who were pushing an attack on Iran on a reluctant Trump and that the classified documents he had kept were proof of this.
00:33:24.000Well, that does seem more likely, doesn't it?
00:33:27.000And again, as a person that has no belief in the bipartisan system or American globalist corporatist democracy as it's currently set up, it seems to me that the bigger issue is there were plans for a war with Iran that the military-industrial complex in the form of General Mark Milley were pushing for rather than the rather unsurprising news that Donald Trump Excuse me.
00:33:47.000Kept a bunch of boxes and showed them to his mates.
00:33:50.000It's exactly the sort of thing I've always assumed Trump would do.
00:33:53.000And then have a coke when someone says war isn't over and you're like...
00:33:58.000This comes in the midst of years of ratcheting up tensions between not just Iran and the United States but maybe more dangerously Iran and Israel.
00:34:07.000The latter's government has been pushing the Biden administration to take a more aggressive posture toward Iran for years.
00:34:12.000Perhaps the real problem here, as well as taking Trump out as an electoral candidate, is do they see him as a threat?
00:34:18.000Are they still using that crazy Pied Piper strategy of putting attention on Trump so you can't get any momentum behind dissenters?
00:34:24.000I don't know because I don't Consider that to be the most important thing in American political life.
00:34:28.000What is evidently important is the potential for agitation for another Middle Eastern war after the wreckage, carnage and disaster of the Iraqi war, the Afghanistan war, the current ongoing terrible conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which you don't have to pick a side on because I'm on the side of peace, baby.
00:35:07.000The existence of US war plans for Iran suggests it wouldn't take much for Israeli attacks to draw the United States into yet another disastrous war, particularly if Iran retaliates, particularly if it winds up killing Americans in the process, whether intentionally or not.
00:35:21.000Iran's deepening alliance with Russia could draw Moscow into the war, turning the country into the second front of a global proxy battle between two nuclear superpowers, the United States and Russia, while adding a third nuclear power, Israel, into the volatile mix.
00:35:35.000Well that's only a take, and that's only speculation.
00:35:38.000But given the current geopolitical tensions, the fact that there is a war between Ukraine and Russia, given that the reporting on that war does seem to contain a great deal of biases, given that it appears there is agitation for a conflict with China around Taiwan and the semiconductors, you have to take this seriously.
00:35:57.000Not least because there's a box of evidence that Donald Trump is rifling through like it's a family photo album at a post-wedding do.
00:36:05.000So tell me, what's more important to you?
00:36:08.000The fact that Trump has broken the law by taking classified information when he's no longer in office, and indeed apparently sharing it with other people, or That it contains plans for a future conflict with Iran, even including a much more realistic and present danger for escalating and ratcheting up tensions between Israel and Iran.
00:36:30.000These seem to me to be global problems rather than legal technicalities or illegal technicalities or stories that exist well within what we all expect of Donald Trump, whether we like him or not.
00:36:44.000I think people that love Donald Trump, this is just Trump being Trump.
00:36:46.000The people that don't like Donald Trump, oh you bastard.
00:36:49.000But the reality is, the reality is, there are much more important issues that it appears we're being distracted from and even in the reporting of this story.
00:36:57.000Why are the mainstream media not interrogating the contents of the boxes and the implications for the world if there is a plan for a war with bloody Iran?
00:38:18.000As well as, in a way, we're placating Gareth Roy by talking about Hull City, which is the football team and town, city, that he supports and is indeed from.
00:38:30.000Thank you very much for all your comments about Simon Jordan.
00:38:34.000We'll be going through some of those in a minute, but it's nice to welcome back you, Gareth.
00:39:02.000What I did enjoy about the conversation is we thought... I suppose the nature of the discourse, if I can use such a grand word, was I was saying the problems in football emanate from its ongoing commodification and commercialization.
00:39:16.000And at some point it will kill the goose that lays the golden egg, which is the romanticism, tribalism, populism, beauty and grace that's somehow enshrined and interwoven within the game.
00:39:30.000And Simon, I suppose, says that It doesn't really think that's true, although we sort of tended to agree on quite a lot of the most fundamental principles, like if Saudi Arabia keep buying up players, they'll end up being a league there.
00:39:42.000If you keep having disproportionate power, teams like Man City, you'll end up having a Super League.
00:39:47.000What do you think about that general argument, mate?
00:39:49.000I guess it's like, what is the line, isn't it?
00:39:51.000You know, you think, what's the... I mean, obviously we've had the World Cup, where there was so much talk beforehand of, you know, should it be staged there?
00:39:59.000The issue with the workers, people dying, people like Gary Lineker saying all sorts of things, people not showing the opening ceremony.
00:40:09.000There's all of that and yet it became one of the best World Cups in history, I think you could argue.
00:40:14.000Some of the best games ever in the history of the international game.
00:40:19.000And so there's a tendency after something like that to kind of feel like it's literally, it can accommodate anything.
00:40:26.000be put on the moon it would accommodate that. I don't know if that's true, I mean I think
00:40:30.000in terms of formatting you could well see a time where maybe that 45 minutes could be broken up,
00:40:38.000who knows? I just wonder what's the thing where people, I mean obviously we saw it with the Super
00:40:42.000League didn't we, when then the Super League was going to start fans rebelled and ultimately that
00:40:48.000movement was crushed for the time being. You wonder maybe what is the...
00:40:52.000point that are they just trying to incrementally get to the same place anywhere just in a slightly
00:40:57.000slower fashion? I reckon and ultimately they'll just reconfigure their plan pivot slightly and
00:41:04.000as you say execute the same idea. There must be something in football's essence that is pretty
00:41:10.000foolhardy for it to as you say endure even the overt commodification that the world cup particularly
00:41:19.000exemplified although on reflection I would say that the west moralizing about Qatar is ultimately
00:41:28.000a disingenuous and what do I want to say occidental and almost you could go so far as to say a
00:41:33.000supremacist stance. This is again it's this is one of the things I love about football is it provides
00:41:38.000a lens through which we can analyze world affairs. The kind of neoliberal establishment will use its
00:41:45.000overt virtue signaling around cultural issues to point out that oh we're different than them.
00:41:52.000But what I suppose a counter-argument is, is, hold on a minute, this is an imperialistic and exploitative game from nations that have colonized and exploited the world, even and specifically the region that is known as the Middle East, where you're making these kind of judgments from even now.
00:42:09.000And top of that, there's the hypocrisy of still doing the bloody event there.
00:42:12.000In the first place, and indeed individuals that spoke out attending.
00:42:16.000Not showing the opening ceremony was a proper cake-and-eat-it move.
00:42:31.000As long as we don't show Morgan Freeman and his hand, then we'll be fine.
00:42:35.000The issue with the United Arab Emirates and its richness in fossilised fuels is Morgan Freeman's hand.
00:42:45.000Not to get too political, necessarily, but we've talked recently about the way in which CNN and MSNBC said that they won't show Trump's post-arraignment speech.
00:42:56.000And it's like, well, after years of profiting from Trump and then pushing all the Russiagate stuff and all that, then you're going to say, well, this bit we're not going to show, but we'll continue talking about it the rest of the time.
00:43:05.000And we'll continue bundling up your data and selling it more even than porn sites do.
00:43:10.000We will report on Russiagate in a biased and insubstantiated way.
00:43:16.000Essentially, the mainstream media cannot claim to be doing anything for a moral reason.
00:43:21.000And that's whether it's talking about matters within football or matters within news and politics, because they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to that set of criteria.
00:43:31.000I always guess I'm more on your side than Simon Jordan in that respect.
00:43:35.000Because that's exactly what I wanted to bring up.
00:43:37.000Because what I wanted to say is, is that the thing that's romantic and beautiful about the game, at some point, surely, will be extinguished.
00:43:45.000And I wanted to talk more about, like, this is what I said in the end, because you know what he's like, Simon and Jordan, he's hectoring, he won't shut up.
00:43:50.000I think I do listen in the end, don't I?
00:43:53.000Thanks, like like so like like he like this bit in the end.
00:43:56.000I just sort of basically shouted I think the same as this happened in Saudi Arabia the that you should put as part of a manifesto if we are elected we will reclaim and Renationalize all British football clubs and then return ownership to the community now I know that's like in some ways a preposterous suggestion because it mean what hold on a minute these economic entities these commercial businesses that have been acquired in some
00:44:23.000cases by nation states in other cases by big companies like FSG and you
00:44:28.000know wherever they're owned you're saying you're going to seize these assets but
00:44:32.000that is what happens like you know that's a you know in Saudi Arabia I'm
00:44:35.000sure they purchased them but what about with the you know when the when we
00:44:39.000privatized all of our municipalities like the gas and the water and the
00:44:42.000electricity all those things have been built by taxpayers money that means we
00:44:46.000owned it then they sold it back to us as privatized commodity so I don't think
00:44:50.000it's absolutely ridiculous and the reason I'm saying it is
00:44:53.000because of course that's part of a earth-shattering model or an economic shattering
00:44:58.000model because of course then it's like well are you gonna pay the players in
00:45:00.000the same way it's all gonna totally fall apart it's an attempt to sort of popularize
00:45:07.000ideas and also a sort of a Trojan horse for numerous other ideas but
00:45:11.000bringing them into the heart of the popular entertainment arena I suppose was a
00:45:17.000like you would own Liverpool you would own it switch you would own it like you
00:45:21.000know the community would run it electorally there you would elect a board you'd
00:45:25.000run it that way you would have to look at what you know obviously you know the
00:45:29.000commercial and broadcast partners are all gonna fucking drop out the
00:45:31.000drop out the minute you do something like that, because even when someone like
00:45:32.000minute you do something like that because even when someone like Jeremy Corbyn who
00:45:34.000Jeremy Corbyn, who was like a left-wing politician who was, you know, for a minute in our
00:45:35.000was like a left-wing politician who was for a minute in our country was like our
00:45:38.000country, was like our Bernie Sanders but he became the leader of the party, like, people
00:45:39.000Bernie Sanders but he became the leader of the party like people like we're
00:45:41.000were like, we're pulling out, we're not gonna have that kind of stuff, you know, but all
00:45:42.000pulling out we're not gonna have that kind of stuff you know but all of that is
00:45:45.000of that is revealing that whole process of like the broadcast, right, we'll broadcast it
00:45:46.000revealing that whole process of like the broadcast right we'll broadcast it
00:45:48.000ourselves then or what it would do is it would be seismic it'll be an incision for
00:45:49.000ourselves then, or what it would do is it would be seismic, it would be an incision for
00:45:52.000something that just seems sort of quite populist, it creates a sort of waves of kind of
00:45:58.000beautiful chaos, that's why I like it, I know it's mad though. Yeah, no, I mean, as you say,
00:46:04.000it would mean fundamentally changing all the apparatus around it as well in order for that to
00:46:08.000work, there's so many things that will be affected by that, and I was literally just thinking
00:46:13.000about Declan Rice and his kind of ascendancy and how amazing Declan Rice has become.
00:46:17.000The fact that both these clubs, Man City and Arsenal, want to spend over 100 million quid on him at the moment.
00:46:23.000You'd probably say that without the money spent on West Ham, that then they can invest into their youth set-up that develops players like Declan Rice, that maybe one of the arguments would be, well, we wouldn't get players as good as that.
00:46:34.000And I guess that would be a good argument.
00:46:37.000Everything would have to Everything falls apart.
00:46:39.000Because aren't we at a point though where it's like, well, Declan Rice, understandably, I'm a West Ham fan of course, and thanks for them seats from Upton Park, that's a really great present.
00:46:48.000Gareth got me for my birthday two seats from West Ham's former ground and beloved cathedral, Upton Park, aka the bowling ground.
00:46:55.000He could buy seats from me after they smashed it to smithereens to buy flats from it basically for no reason other than money.
00:47:01.000Anyway, I've got a couple of them seats now.
00:47:04.000Perhaps over the coming weeks we can locate exactly where they were, then find someone that sat in them seats, then bring them around and allow them to do a little fart on that seat and say, there you go, what comes around goes around.
00:47:13.000There was some chewing gum under the seat.
00:47:57.000Or Harvey Barnes out of Leicester, there's like things that could be exciting about that money, but I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is like, I hanker after a time where you might have Billy Bonds or, you know, even Mark Noble spend their whole career at a club this because why?
00:48:47.000The moment David Moyes puts the medal around his father's neck, it provides you with a kind of magic.
00:48:53.000And when you reduce it all to numbers, you're pulling... I can't help but think that sooner or later the thing itself will pull up.
00:49:01.000But I guess I'm not saying, why don't we go back to the days where they're wearing big mad leather boots like loaves of bread and kicking around the human head instead of a ball.
00:49:11.000Yeah, it's that argument, isn't it, that they always give with, like, technology and why these kind of big tech companies have been allowed to kind of maraud around the world and colonize everything and everyone.
00:49:25.000And the argument is always, well, it's progress.
00:49:29.000This is why they should be allowed to kind of keep doing what they're doing.
00:49:32.000And I guess, but then there is a counter argument to that is, well, what price do we pay for that progress?
00:49:37.000And could it be argued that it's not progress in every sense?
00:49:40.000I don't actually even want progress, because I feel that there are false markers of progress in medicine and technology that distract us from elsewhere, stagnation, moral, spiritual stagnation.
00:49:53.000And it would be nice if the progress was not somehow... I thought this phrase when visiting a very elite school recently, where I noticed conversationally the phrase, we're so lucky, we're so lucky.
00:50:17.000Of course, you know, you could, like, even, you know, when people hop back and say, would the, like, a team like Nottingham Forest, when they had their two consecutive European Cup wins, would that Nottingham Forest team beat Man City?
00:50:31.000Because, like, you know, you imagine, like, them Forest players was, like, Martin O'Neill, whatever, like, they're, like, properly, probably drinking booze almost at halftime, and, like, these are athletes, like, there's so many actual, that is actual progress.
00:50:46.000Their diet, the use of technology, those things, that's all sort of wonderful, but has some majesty been lost?
00:50:54.000The very fact that a club like Nottingham Forest was able to win the European Cup, it's not, like, what, it depends what, We have a quantitative perspective on reality, rather than a qualitative perspective of reality.
00:51:05.000We can quantify and measure all things, but essence itself, it cannot be measured.
00:51:12.000And like your point, Gareth, that in spite of everything, It's still magic.
00:51:17.000It reminds me, I've said this before, because it's always something I've thought about a lot, that Lester Bangs, the Rolling Stone journalist, wrote about seeing Elvis Presley towards the end of Elvis's life in Vegas, and he went to sort of take the piss, like, oh, Elvis Presley is no longer the king of rock and roll, he's this joke figure in a bejeweled winegum-covered Yeah, I think so.
00:51:38.000I mean, ultimately I think that magic does come from us.
00:51:40.000with him mad scarves and all that stuff but he said that when Elvis sings he
00:51:44.000said like his hair stood up on end and he shivered because that's there's
00:51:48.000something in that man there's something that he was able to convey there is a
00:51:52.000there is a magic there is a majesty there is a beauty there is an essence
00:51:55.000and that's the reason to sort of argue for that the progress being made there
00:51:59.000as well yeah I think so I mean ultimately I think that magic does come
00:52:02.000from us it comes from our relationship with those players our relationship with
00:52:06.000our own community That's where it comes from.
00:52:14.000Even whether or not players are technically better than what they used to be, you could say that the fans of Nottingham Forest with those two European Cup wins would have shared the same amount of joy as West Ham fans just did then or Man City fans have done winning the treble.
00:52:31.000I like where you say that it's between us, because even say with the Elvis example or the football example, the audience are participating.
00:52:38.000you're not just passively sort of like, oh, like that, and that is more what's gonna happen
00:52:42.000if the games are sort of, but he did say, Simon Jordan, that geography's irrelevant at this point,
00:52:46.000because it's a broadcast medium. Of course they might, you know, you can envisage a time where
00:52:50.000games are being played in Qatar, games are being played in Malaysia, and then
00:52:54.000I suppose, gosh, there's an argument for, well, why shouldn't it be? Why shouldn't it be?
00:52:58.000Why should they not own it? This is a global and I suppose the argument is because it's all for fucking
00:53:02.000money. Well, yeah, it's all for money, and it's, I guess, what we know is,
00:53:06.000because we know it's all for money, I think it's about,
00:53:12.000Once you know that this is all for money, can you honestly enjoy the FA Cup Final played in Qatar as much as you would it played in Wembley?
00:53:20.000Maybe you can, but I feel like there's some knowledge there.
00:53:24.000I mean, the Spanish Cup is now played, I think, in Qatar.
00:53:35.000And you do watch it and think, this does have a disconnect.
00:53:39.000And I guess, kind of what I think about is, nationalism is used when it's convenient, but not when it's not convenient.
00:53:46.000So there's one way where it's like, no, nationalism is good, and that's why we go to war, and that's why we arm our military, and that's why we spend this on the nuclear this.
00:53:53.000And that's what, you know, but then when it's, oh no, it's convenient for us commercially, nationalism isn't a thing and everything, the game should be played all over the world and it's about embracing different cultures and this, that and the other.
00:54:04.000It's like, well, no, that's, you have to have a principle.
00:54:10.000Groucho Marx's famous line, those are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others.
00:54:15.000They'll just apply whatever principle is expedient to achieve the desired objective.
00:54:22.000One of the things we talk about a lot on here is the success of the Wrexham project and I always try to extract my petty personal jealousy from From my ability to commentate on it and now my jealousy is once again been roused because Wilf Zaha the Palace player and Stormzy the Grime and hip-hop artist have acquired AFC Croydon.
00:54:44.000I guess Stormzy's from around there Yeah, I suppose.
00:54:47.000And he's acquired Croydon Athletic, a three-person consortium comprised of Zaha Stormzy and Danny Young's exchange contracts with the existing ownership of AFC Croydon to acquire the assets of the club.
00:56:58.000So, look, I suppose I sort of want to... But now, because Stormzy's done it and Ryan Reynolds has done it, at this point, it's like, I mean, it's not McDonald's, it's not Burger King.
00:57:42.000See, I suppose, look, what it is, is you've just got to stay true to who you are, not worry about what's going on in the world, and stay true to your principles that are somehow some bizarre collision between spiritual utopianism and a kind of economic and political pragmatism derived from anarchism.
00:58:31.000And I know that we all participate in that, with whatever endeavour we do.
00:58:36.000We do this podcast because we love it.
00:58:37.000We know that on Rumble, primarily, our content has to be establishment attacking content that can attract people from the left and the right.
00:58:45.000And we're able to do that because we believe that both political parties are corrupt and unable to represent people.
00:58:50.000And we do this because we love football.
00:58:51.000But still, in the back of my mind, I think, oh, we've got to grow the views.
00:58:54.000We've got to have more people listen to it.
00:59:56.000But he's saying that the figure of Kurt Cobain almost represented a culture that understands its own, the sort of futile loop in which it's locked.
01:00:07.000That nihilism and despair sells on MTV, and the more you decry the system, the more the system is able to present that as a product.
01:00:16.000Like the famous Bill Hicks bit, like he sort of says, like he's Quit putting a goddamn dollar sign on everything on this goddamn planet.
01:02:34.000Do you think there's a sort of, not racism ain't the right word, but like a kind of assumption that, you know, because it used to be America, right?
01:02:39.000It used to be like, for a minute, it was America.
01:02:41.000When you're past your prime, go America and have a sort of a payday holiday.
01:02:45.000And then it was China for a minute, but he didn't quite catch on on China.
01:02:52.000I just think, from what I was reading, this person pointed out that, well, what we're saying that the Premier League, I mean, we all remember when the Premier League happened and the Sky money came in, and that was like a revolution for football.
01:03:05.000There was the point where Sky were even going to buy up Manchester United.
01:03:08.000You know, that deal, again, fans revolted against that, but it's not like they didn't try to do it.
01:03:14.000And now everything happens Seemingly happening so quickly and these these transfers are happening and it like you say I can I can see what you're saying about The speed at which it's happening, but maybe it's just something that's been happening for a longer period of time We it's hypocritical for us in this country to extent to say oh I can't believe Saudi Arabia playing all these paying all these players massive wages when that's literally what we've been doing we've been taking players from the
01:03:41.000their countries of their origin where they could have been plying their trade
01:03:45.000at the clubs that they were born, but we've literally paid them massive wages to come over
01:03:50.000and make this Premier League what it is.
01:03:52.000Why shouldn't Didier Drogba stay Ivory Coast, make Ivory Coast football bot on?
01:03:57.000Sure, so many examples of that happening that, you know, again the hypocrisy factor of this is
01:04:02.000yes, okay, there's all sorts of ways we can say Saudi Arabia this, that and the other
01:04:06.000but as we know, to go out to politics, America will keep selling them arms, you know, it's ridiculous.
01:04:13.000And it's the same argument as the World Cup argument.
01:04:16.000You can't say it without claiming that there's some sort of superiority.
01:04:20.000Except, I suppose, in sporting terms, the Premier League is measurably, somehow, the best league, the best players, the best managers, the most money.
01:04:30.000And the fact that those are concomitant facts is hardly a coincidence.
01:04:54.000There's petrol under the ground, in the holy name of God.
01:04:58.000Worth tagging this Harry Kane to Bayern Munich.
01:05:00.000Again, because of my baked-in prejudices, I don't think Bayern Munich is the right sort of club for Harry Kane, because Bayern Munich is a one-club league.
01:05:11.000I know, like, Bayer Leverkusen, or... Well, Dortmund nearly won it.
01:05:22.000Because obviously, an argument that is continually being made is that the Premier League is in danger of being capsized by the superiority of Manchester City.
01:05:32.000And yet, at the end of the day, only five points between them and Arsenal.
01:06:16.000So, mentally, psychologically, to sort of solve the problem of not having won trophies by going to a club that always wins trophies, in a sense, what kind of personal achievement do you get from that?
01:06:30.000I don't know, but Man City have won four of the last five.
01:06:35.000Paris Saint-Germain, you could say that's definitely a one-team league.
01:06:38.000You don't want to be offensive, but in terms of their might, they are.
01:06:43.000There are Barcelona and obviously Real and Barcelona, VAR between them at the moment, which is a good thing, although there's all sorts of stuff going on between Serious great for Napoli
01:06:52.000win that it seems that because actually
01:06:57.000Italian football because of corruption has been there's been a lot of
01:07:00.000Interventionism hasn't they made like Juventus bounce down a couple of leagues and stuff like that
01:07:04.000So, you know sense aren't we already seeing are we saying isn't it like quite possible that someone some erudite
01:07:11.000So they should get someone like bloody Simon Jordan actually to head it up instead of having someone from JP
01:07:15.000Morgan What would their interest be in this Super League?
01:07:19.000What do they traditionally do over at JP Morgan?
01:07:21.000Um, like, couldn't someone come along and persuade you?
01:07:25.000Look, if Man City, four out of the last five times, have won it, if, you know, Barcelona and Real, if even in Italy there's only a couple of teams that are capable of it, and Bayern, to make the national leagues more competitive, doesn't it make sense to create this national Super League?
01:07:41.000Don't you think that the argument, the momentum of the argument, is self-evident through the figures?
01:07:46.000Yeah, I guess the thing with that is... I mean, that's a kind of cynical way of... You're going to establish, like, a new... I don't know, a dominant ten teams, and then what's going to happen to all the other teams?
01:09:01.000So they can spread those transfer fees.
01:09:03.000That's why this podcast works for you.
01:09:04.000If you're an American who don't even know much about football, I mean, obviously when we start talking about Barry Fry, in a second you might become somewhat confused, but we're all confused by Barry Fry.
01:09:13.000Like, but isn't it the perfect model to understand reality?
01:09:17.000Oh, we're introducing some legislation to prevent, for example, people in Congress trading stocks and shares.
01:09:23.000Oh, but what if their family member does it?
01:09:25.000Oh yeah, yeah, that'd be alright, so that's passed in.
01:09:27.000Whenever there's regulation or legislation, it doesn't do the job that the rule was supposed to do, it just gives you the ability to say, we made a rule.
01:09:35.000You said that you wanted a rule, we beat Big Pharma this year.
01:09:38.000Is Big Pharma going to be meaningfully penalised, or is there just a handful of drugs that are going to be regulated, and the pharmaceutical industry will adjust to make other products profitable, they will still have the same lobbying power, they will still have the same donation power, sorry, yes, basically.
01:09:51.000And the same thing happens with football, like as Gareth just explained, Chelsea, Sorry.
01:11:17.000Heartbreaks, frills, chills, it's everything you want, isn't it?
01:11:21.000Insider information, mad quotidian details about people eating beans on toast, Deli Alley specifically, in the Spurs one that was.
01:11:29.000I mean, it gives you so much, like, it's rewarding.
01:11:32.000And in fact, you know, this Wrexham thing, I suppose, do you know what it is, is like, you know, with that Wrexham thing, sort of thing, like, I sort of might have nearly done that.
01:11:40.000It's like, it's not beyond... It's more of a missed opportunity, isn't it?
01:11:45.000That's what's motivating me right now.
01:11:47.000Let's have a look at Barry Fry, because as we enter this frenzy of transfers where Declan Rice might go to Arsenal or even Man City, which just seems like a ludicrous stockpile, just flinging him, flinging him like into a harem.
01:11:59.000Like he might as well, like, eunuch him off and bang him up for a sultan.
01:12:04.000That's probably the kind of occidentalism that we're trying to prevent, actually.
01:12:08.000But in any event, this is a In a sense, a more innocent time, but in another way, a more disgusting time, where transfer deals were carried out with incredible bravado and casual lackadaisical Cockney slang.
01:12:24.000Next on his wanted list, the Wickham striker, Miguel de Souza.
01:13:10.000Look at that Giza, he would never have a football agent like that now.
01:13:12.000That's an accountant, that's a local charred accountant, that Giza.
01:13:16.000You couldn't have him now, they're all like people swaggering about in a silk shirt, 50 million quid, just arrive on a yacht, like George Mendez, like powerful enough to get a whole Portuguese national team into one football club.
01:13:25.000Look at that agent now, he just goes home and has a Finder's Crispy Pancake, doesn't he?
01:13:31.000On, like, a chair from a garden centre.
01:15:06.000If we had, like, a survival bonus, that'd be nice, wouldn't it?
01:15:09.000Like, George Mendez, I reckon, like, the agents now, sports agents now, I reckon they actually get their penis and balls out during conversation.
01:17:24.000Like I retire five o'clock on Friday, Monday, oh, my retirement's off.
01:17:28.000Yeah, that's the weekend, that's what that is, mate.
01:17:30.000There was a flag, wasn't there, at Glastonbury saying that I'm enjoying this mini-retirement, or this is my mini-retirement, stuff like that.
01:17:37.000So, Gary Neville's going to be... Yeah, why not?
01:17:40.000He's a very successful businessman, isn't he?
01:17:42.000Because he's got that hotel where he never greeted me.
01:19:13.000Jordan Pearson once, in that interview with that lady out of New Statesman, Helen Lewis, she goes, you know, you wrote this thing saying lobsters have these traits and that's why human beings do it, but you don't write about whales and, like, female whales are very dominant in their pods.
01:19:29.000He goes, I can't write a book about everything!
01:19:32.000I like that as his defence, the fact that the book can't be about... It's because it's so true.
01:19:40.000This book's about everything, I've covered that.
01:20:26.000The issues we're discussing here, not the crazy stuff about football, although some of the political and economic aspects of it, will be covered in that show.
01:20:33.000It's exclusive, it's fantastic, it's only available to you, Rumble viewers.
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