In this episode, journalist, photographer, filmmaker and author Laura Dosworth talks about her new book, A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid19 pandemic to make people feel fear and make them subservient to the government. In order to make those people fear, you have to deceive them. In our time, and who'd have thought that we'd see it, we've seen the mass evocation of fear. In order for people to trust centralised authority again in any form, they have to be made to fear. So what's the next step? What's next for the story of humanity? What are the next steps? And who's next? Stay free with Russell Brand! See it first on Rumble. If you're watching us on Rumble, press the red button and join us on Locals. Become a member of our community so that you can see your comments and questions as they come up live on the show. It's going to be magnificent! Sincerely, - EJ & Russell Brand. Rachael - The Awakening Wonders. - Timestamps: 3:00 - What is fear? 4:30 - How did the government use fear to make us subvert our most basic of freedoms? 5:15 - Why do we trust the government? 6:40 - How can we trust them? 7:20 - Is fear real? 8:00- What are we supposed to believe in it? 9: Is fear a good thing? 10:30- What does fear really matter? 11: What does it take? 13:00 15:00 | How does fear work? 16:40 | What is the point of a state of fear? 15:30 | What do we need to be afraid of it anyway? 17:00 + 17:10 - How do we know it's good? 18:00 // Is fear really bad? 19:10 | What s a good idea? 21:20 | What are you going to get out of it? ? 22:40 // Is it a good book? Is fear good enough? 25:10 26:40 Do you know what s the point? 27:30 Is it possible to be scared of something that s not scary?
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00:02:49.000To not mince our words, the government used fear to control you.
00:02:52.000In order to make those people afraid, you have to deceive them.
00:02:56.000In our time, and who'd have thought that we'd see it, we've seen the mass evocation of fear, I can never trust centralised authority again in any form.
00:03:05.000trust centralised authority again in any form.
00:03:09.000The most basic of freedoms you took for granted are not real at all.
00:03:14.000If you don't want to turn off the TV you have to watch it mindfully.
00:03:18.000You have to understand that it's not a one-way process.
00:03:21.000They're trying to influence you as much as entertain you.
00:03:25.000I wonder if you have concerns about what the next steps will be.
00:03:28.000Well, what's next is the story of humanity.
00:03:31.000It always has been, it always will be the same.
00:04:01.000You know, Lord Sumption called it an important book.
00:04:03.000It had reviews in Telegraph and the European Journal of Psychotherapy, some great reviews, but the Sunday Times bestseller list didn't actually protect it from one of the worst book reviews known to man in the times.
00:04:19.000Objectively one of the worst ever ones.
00:04:22.000Well maybe I'm not very objective as the author but it wasn't a great review.
00:04:25.000The much much mention was made of my previous work.
00:04:28.000There's one book where I photographed and interviewed 100 women about their vulvas,
00:04:33.000their vaginas for an exploration of womanhood and you might have read the review and think
00:04:38.000that in real life I'm followed around by a chorus of high-kicking vaginas.
00:04:52.000We've got, uh, this is a quote from the advisor on SPIB.
00:04:56.000Do you know what that is, advisor on SPIB?
00:04:58.000Are we talking about, like, that nudge unit and all that type of stuff?
00:05:00.000I know exactly what this is because this is somebody that I interviewed for my book.
00:05:06.000SPIB is the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours.
00:05:10.000They're a group of social scientists, behavioural psychologists, various social scientists, and what they do is give the government advice Um, in times of emergency, such as a pandemic.
00:05:24.000And I interviewed several of them when I was researching my book, A State of Fear.
00:05:29.000And this one here broke cover, actually, to speak to me because he was so concerned about the way the government was using fear and behavioral psychology.
00:05:39.000I mean, to not to not mince our words, the government used fear to control you in lockdown.
00:05:44.000That's fascinating, and in a sense perhaps it's something that we would have anticipated and something that we can appreciate.
00:05:50.000Sometimes I try to approach the extraordinary events of the last couple of years in good
00:05:55.000faith, not to the denial of what is evident and plain, that there have been regulations,
00:06:01.000legislations and advantages that have been accrued through that period that appear to
00:06:07.000point to an agenda, but at least not to lead to conclusions.
00:06:12.000Perhaps you and I together, through the course of our conversation, can highlight a case
00:06:16.000for how the pandemic was a revealing period, how we learned about how power functions,
00:06:21.000how we learn about how propaganda operates and how we are manipulated, how our behaviour
00:07:03.000Do you think that there was an ethical breach in the way that this pandemic was handled?
00:07:08.000Do you think that they understood things that they didn't convey?
00:07:10.000And do you think that they highlighted aspects of the pandemic, whether that's medically or socially, in order to pursue a gender that was not plain or explicit?
00:07:20.000Wow there's so much to pick up on there but I'm going to go back to your first point that you approach this with good faith and I think that's really important because when I wrote the book there were a lot of people that just said to me well why?
00:07:31.000Why would the government use fear as though it had to indicate that there was some evil conspiracy theory or agenda?
00:07:38.000You know there may or may not be but there's a very simple answer to the question and that is that governments use fear because it encourages compliance.
00:07:47.000There is a gap between your rational thoughts and your suppressed emotions.
00:07:51.000And it's that gap that allows governments or any would-be manipulator to control you, to manipulate you, to exert undue influence on you.
00:07:59.000And fear is the steam in the emotional engine.
00:08:18.000If this was a laboratory experiment, if a psychologist wanted to put their fingers in your brain, reach around and use fear to control you to see what happens, Then they would need to go through an ethics approval procedure.
00:08:53.000The advisors that I interviewed for A State of Fear, the ones who spoke to me on the record and those who spoke to me anonymously, I asked them all, what is the plan for de-escalating fear?
00:09:07.000What really worried me and sent chills down my spine actually were a couple of advisors who were not only very content with the use of fear because they thought it was proportionate in a pandemic, because pandemics are frightening, but they said, well hang on a minute, why would we de-escalate fear?
00:09:23.000We will move from this to the next crisis.
00:09:28.000And I think that, you know, there is a risk here that governments lean on fear and nudge, which is a form of behavioral psychology and propaganda to shut down debate, legislation, disagreement, in fact, because these covert ways to influence you are successful and they bypass all that kind of procedure.
00:09:46.000So if you, you know, the The Covid pandemic and the lockdown created what academics have called a window of malleability.
00:09:55.000Our habits changed and that meant we were ripe for more change.
00:09:59.000You know, it's a great time then to push the idea of changing habits towards, say, net zero goals.
00:10:07.000When you say covert, what covert modes were utilised?
00:10:15.000Do you think that the entire Endeavour is to a degree covert because they were not explicit about their operation.
00:10:24.000It's obviously incredibly convenient that many of the things that were used to mobilise fear and compliance have subsequently been demonstrably untrue, whether that's the efficacy of the medication... Allegedly!
00:10:43.000...or the origins of the virus... Allegedly!
00:11:03.000But back in February 2020, World Health Organization documents showed that at that point it was very well understood that COVID risk was stratified according to your age and your clinical status.
00:11:16.000So the elderly or people with particular comorbidities were more at risk.
00:11:34.000I know from talking to these advisors, they were worried about things like You know, the poor old working class chap missing football in the pub.
00:11:41.000You know, it's kind of classist assumptions going on here.
00:11:43.000And so SPY-B advisors reply with this whole gamut of suggestions.
00:11:47.000One is that people's sense of personal threat needed to be increased because they were complacent, because they understood the risk to their demographic group.
00:11:58.000Another way of looking at that is that people understood very well what the risk was.
00:12:02.000They understood the risk to their age.
00:12:04.000If I think back to that time, my mum started shielding long before they were supposed to.
00:12:09.000She's in her 70s, she's got terminal lung conditions, she's poorly, her and her husband hold themselves up.
00:12:14.000I, on the other hand, was trying to finish a big photography project and I thought, right, okay, you know, my work might be thrown off the table for a while, I'm off, I'm taking some hand sanitiser, I'm going to be careful, I'm not going to go into services.
00:13:23.000Let's have a look at some of those ads.
00:13:26.000When it becomes, when in the event that people have correctly deduced that they are not at risk, Then in order to elicit fear, you have to mislead them.
00:13:40.000So it's not only covert, it's duplicitous at that point.
00:13:44.000If people have correctly deduced, oh I'm not really at risk so I should go out, in order to make those people afraid, you have to You have to deceive them.
00:13:52.000Let's have a look at some of these assets.
00:13:53.000These are obviously assets that are derived from the UK.
00:13:56.000Why don't you post in the chat some of the assets from your country?
00:14:00.000They won't regard them as assets, they will.
00:14:01.000You'll regard them as propaganda quite rightly.
00:14:03.000So if you're in America or if you're in Canada, why don't you tell us the most egregious examples in your country?
00:14:08.000Show me what they were using in the US.
00:14:09.000Show me what they were using all around the world.
00:14:11.000Because that indicates that there was a degree of cohesion and collaboration transcendent of national sovereignty, which one might argue is appropriate during a pandemic, but possibly had more nefarious ends than, you know, the preservation of human life.
00:14:24.000In fact, Laura, one of the things that I continually queried is...
00:14:28.000This seems at odds with how we organize society in other areas.
00:14:32.000It doesn't seem to me that, broadly speaking, the way we organize society is, all life is sacred!
00:14:39.000That's why our economic systems, social justice systems, are all reflecting this sanctity of human life.
00:14:45.000Elsewhere, it looks like elitism, control, opportunity for regulation, opportunity for profit, are the mandates that drive the way the culture functions.
00:14:56.000It's good that you mentioned the horror aspect. I know you did some work mate on the red and
00:15:03.000yellow thing there, like the sort of colours that were used. And we'll break down, like
00:15:07.000sort of tell, this one see, telling the risk isn't real. What's extraordinary here is
00:15:12.000all of these require us to accept, and we might have to leave YouTube now guys.
00:15:18.000We might have to leave YouTube, so there's a link in the description.
00:15:21.000Join us exclusively on Rumble right now, because I'm going to say things that still, because the WHO's power still extends to the domain of YouTube, where on Rumble we can speak freely to convey love, not to convey hate, to convey unity, not yet more division.
00:15:35.000The vaccines don't prevent transmission, and we're not trialed to prevent transmission.
00:15:42.000And asymptomatic people could... 96% of asymptomatic people tested did not spread the virus and there was a type of PCR test available as early as March 2020 that could demonstrate that.
00:15:56.000So any propaganda predicated on that idea was false.
00:16:00.000Whether they knew it at the time or not can be contested and can't be proved.
00:16:06.000So anything like telling him I always keep a safe distance, irrelevant in most cases, telling him you never bend the rules, irrelevant in most cases, telling him the risk isn't real, irrelevant in most cases.
00:16:35.000Another way of looking at that is, one in three people experience it so mildly, they don't know they've got it.
00:16:41.000But it was twisted around always to be frightening.
00:16:42.000I mean, those stills we just looked at, they're really grainy, the eyes are looking at you.
00:16:47.000It's supposed to make you feel like if you've killed, you know, if someone's died, it's your fault.
00:16:51.000Don't look at what the government might be doing wrong, which is maybe care homes or lack of PPE or hospitals being built like, you know, cities for infection.
00:17:34.000A nudge is a form of behavioural psychology which is supposed to nudge you into a form of behaviour that is better for you.
00:17:41.000Because luckily, Russell, there are lots of people that know better than you what's good for you.
00:17:45.000It's what's called choice architecture.
00:17:46.000It's supposed to encourage you to make a better choice.
00:17:48.000An example would be if you're in a shop, putting fruit at eye level and putting chocolate out of reach.
00:17:55.000Um, an example of a nudge would not be taxing chocolate and making fruit cheaper.
00:18:00.000So it's not about mandates, it's not about price, it's about encouraging you to make the so-called best choice.
00:18:07.000And that's all predicated on somebody knowing what's best for you.
00:18:10.000It's covert manipulation with the assumption that the person making those nudges has the moral authority that I would require before trusting them with making that choice on my behalf, which I bloody well wouldn't.
00:18:24.000And so this is just good use of propaganda, good use of semiotics rather than nudging.
00:18:29.000I'd say so, but I think it is, you know, it's incredibly well staged.
00:18:55.000You know, we were bombarded daily with messages about death.
00:18:59.000We were always told how many people died but never recovered.
00:19:02.000We were told how many people were admitted to hospital but never left hospital.
00:19:06.000And do you remember the COVID dashboard that the UK government ran?
00:19:09.000It was probably the same in lots of other countries.
00:19:12.000It showed you all these stats, but it didn't show you other key performance indicators.
00:19:16.000So you'd know how many people died, went to hospital.
00:19:18.000It didn't say how many children had dropped off the register at school, or how many people had missed their cancer appointments, or what had happened to mental health stats.
00:19:27.000The focus was always on these very deathly Covid stats, to the exclusion of everything else.
00:19:34.000Laura, what I feel is that a helpful analytic tool with the pandemic, and perhaps anything really, is to remove the subject and then observe the behavior around it without the biases that the subject induces.
00:19:47.000And what you can see here is how power functions when it comes to organizing our reality.
00:19:53.000You highlight this information, you eliminate this information.
00:19:57.000We had RFK terrifying array of information to share with us including that a significant amount of the funding for the vaccine rollout, excuse me, came from the military but when it came to the response the military were involved to a sort of like a staggering degree.
00:20:20.000Like that my first response to this was oh really this is an inadvertent crisis to which authority ...is responding by capitalising on it.
00:20:31.000Like, oh wow, we've got the opportunity to regulate now, we've got the opportunity to shut down dissent, censor, create protest law, introduce surveillance.
00:20:38.000But it seems like everything that happened was beneficial when it came to centralised state power and was detrimental to individual freedom and the ability to have an open discourse about the various potential effects. Another bit of information, the Cabinet Office
00:20:56.000spent £586 million in the last three years with a vast majority going on public health awareness
00:21:35.000What we have on the right is what it reminded me of when I racked my brains, which is a scene from The Exorcist, which has an age rating of 18.
00:21:42.000So, you know, they said these ads were to target 18 and above, but there was no way to stop children from seeing it.
00:21:48.000And what an ad like that has the potential to do is to disrupt intergenerational relationships long term.
00:21:55.000I think it's really created a lot of suspicion between people.
00:22:09.000And I think that takes me back to the existential crisis, this whiplash of shock I felt when we when we locked down.
00:22:17.000Because before that I'd had this idea that we were free, you know, that I had agency, that I could choose pretty much what I did in my life and that we were part of a democracy.
00:22:28.000And then an emergency hits and you find out that the most basic of freedoms you took for granted are not real at all.
00:24:19.000Have you known people that have taken their own lives as a result of the psychological impact of being placed on lockdown?
00:24:25.000What about the fissures that it has put between people from different cultures with different values?
00:24:31.000It's interesting to note, Laura, that there's a class impact here and that particular effort was made to manage what you might call, in our country, working-class people in America, blue-collar Americans, people that do necessary work, that were temporarily, um, um, what do I want to say, deified, or at least celebrated, before being damned, uh, once again, when it was convenient to do so.
00:24:53.000In our country, a lot of key workers and health workers were celebrated, primarily through the medium of rainbows and meaningless platitudes, but when it came to paying them more, uh, those, those pay rises were not offered.
00:25:06.000Uh, 34,000 key workers in New York City, of course, lost their jobs because of a refusal to undertake certain medical procedures.
00:25:14.000So it seems to me that, taken as a whole, this period of time created a wealth transfer.
00:25:23.000It creates opportunities for enormous profit.
00:25:25.000Creates opportunities for surveillance.
00:25:27.000Creates opportunities to introduce protest laws.
00:25:29.000Let's not forget what happened in Canada.
00:25:32.000The trucker protest was used as an opportunity... When working people tried to stand up against the use of emergency regulations, you saw what happened.
00:25:42.000You saw how they were smeared and criticized and condemned.
00:25:46.000How technology was used to shut down donations.
00:25:49.000Many egregious steps were taken to shut down our freedom and to your point, Laura, it shows you actually that freedom is temporal and illusory and takes place within such boundaries that it can scarcely be called freedom at all.
00:26:04.000I wonder if you have concerns about what the next steps will be, like when you said a minute ago all of the measures came down to individuals.
00:26:11.000Because you as an individual, a killer, you killed granny.
00:26:14.000That was our former health minister, now reality TV star, Matt Hancock, was offering up that you're killing your granny.
00:26:20.000Don't know how you could possibly kill your granny, given some of the revelations that have since come out about the lack of clinical trialing for transmission, and that asymptomatic people were scarcely infectious.
00:26:32.000But nevertheless, the propaganda has been spread, and the damage has been done.
00:26:36.000I know elsewhere, when it comes to matters like climate change, Let me know in the chat where you stand on that.
00:26:42.000It's normally 15 minute cities, taxes on ordinary people.
00:26:45.000It's seldom, this is why we are going to control corporations in this way.
00:26:51.000It's interesting that many of the measures suggested amount to ways of controlling and prohibiting the freedoms of individuals.
00:26:59.000What do you feel like is the next wave and how do you think it will continue to be utilised, Laura?
00:27:07.000You said so much I want to bottle it and drink it very slowly, but you know... There's plenty more where that came from, mate!
00:29:12.000You know, in our time, in our time, and who'd have thought that we'd see it?
00:29:16.000We've seen the mass evocation of fear and propaganda to gain compliance for something which nearly all of us were not at risk from.
00:29:24.000I'm not saying COVID wasn't a serious disease for some people, but I think we've only just swerved terrible times and we see what can happen.
00:29:33.000You know, you talked about the vaccine before.
00:29:35.000There were people that were told no jab, no job.
00:29:38.000They lost their jobs if they don't want to be vaccinated.
00:29:40.000And there are many reasons an individual might not want to be vaccinated.
00:29:44.000You know, there are still countries, I think the US has only just lifted its ban on federal, like federal workers were sacked if they weren't vaccinated.
00:29:54.000And you couldn't visit the country unless you were vaccinated.
00:29:58.000Think about Canada, like you said, you know, the truckers who didn't want to be vaccinated, they had their accounts frozen and people who supported the GoFundMe had their accounts frozen.
00:30:07.000So we've seen how unvaccinated people can become A minority which is scapegoated and harmed.
00:30:16.000And that was deliberately leveraged as well.
00:30:19.000You know, you had the Covid hero versus the Covidia.
00:30:24.000Well, that's done because once upon a time, the enemy was a country that would drop a bomb on you from another country, right?
00:30:31.000A red button over there in some snowy country.
00:30:34.000Then the enemy was somebody who might strap bombs to their chest, a terrorist.
00:30:38.000But in the case of a virus, you know, we're all the enemy, we're biohazards.
00:30:43.000There was a Dutch on TV, Dr. Sarah Jarvis, in 2021 who said, breathing is an offensive weapon.
00:30:50.000There was one, I was scouring the newspapers at the time for examples of this, there was an Israeli newspaper that called ultra-Orthodox Jews who were breaking the rules, Covid insurgents.
00:31:01.000and bioterrorists. You know the language that was used to describe
00:31:05.000human beings for breathing, for moving about, or choosing not to accept a medical intervention
00:31:11.000was stunning. It was extraordinary to watch how they managed their previous demonization
00:31:17.000of ordinary people by using perhaps and having not yet caught up with some of the
00:31:24.000lexical changes that have taken place in recent years to and to recognizing oh no we're condemning
00:31:30.000people now like of course notably in the United States of America there had to be a great deal of
00:31:35.000work done in communities of of colour because there's a natural, what do you know,
00:32:08.000Now certainly it became politicized even prior to the sort of condemnation around Trump.
00:32:13.000I remember initially Joe Biden being like, openly we can pull up the clip if we want to, Joe Biden saying that he wouldn't take a vaccine until it was verified.
00:32:23.000And of course people say that they didn't participate in the politicization of the medications or the responses.
00:32:28.000It was the other side's fault that that happened.
00:32:30.000But that's the kind of sort of tribalized chit-chat that don't get us nowhere. It seems to me that it was a great
00:32:36.000opportunity to control, to demonize, to divide, to censor, to smear, like the
00:32:43.000Twitter file revelations about true information that was shut down and controlled, the
00:32:49.000number of highly credible scientists whose contributions to the conversation was shut
00:32:55.000down, smeared, because it didn't go along with this information. It seems in retrospect, correctly,
00:33:01.000many people were smeared as being anti-vaxxers. By the way, they changed the meaning of the
00:33:05.000word anti-vaxxers in the dictionary during that period. So again, as I say, the subject itself is...
00:33:11.000is of limited interest because we live in a fast-moving time defined by an ever-shifting
00:33:17.000news cycle. But the behaviour that it revealed is fascinating. We can see how powerful interests
00:33:24.000will collaborate. We can see how apparently innocuous free-letter global organisations
00:33:29.000like the WHO are able to assert and continue to assert incredible control over the way
00:33:33.000the information is promulgated and many of that ain't been rolled back yet. Can I ask
00:33:42.000you please Laura about forthcoming potential ways to terrify and control the population?
00:33:48.000I feel like, what's this Time magazine, WHO, this emergency's over, get ready for the next
00:33:54.000New pandemics are always being rehearsed all over the gaff.
00:33:58.000They're always spending money doing sort of like weird games to prepare for new pandemics.
00:34:04.000Some of the anomalies I'd like to point out is when you have the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation significantly donating to the WHO, I think behind only the nation of Germany in their level of donations, I would prefer that elsewhere That organization hadn't invested heavily in vaccines.
00:34:20.000Now you might say, well that's a cohesive response.
00:34:22.000They believe in this type of regulation and this type of medical response.
00:34:25.000But when it is profitable and when it affords that degree of influence, it seems to me like there's a great opportunity for democracy.
00:34:32.000It seems that what we're being offered in lieu of democracy now is Limited debate within tiny, tiny cubes of discourse while a centralised authority continues to assert its agenda.
00:34:46.000What do you reckon is going to happen, mate, with, like, forthcoming pandemics and forthcoming, like, climate change type stuff?
00:34:52.000Well, you know, sometimes I tune out of the specifics because the thing is the principles are always the same.
00:35:00.000What people won't want to hear, but it's the truth, is that your brain is a battlefield.
00:35:04.000And it's not just the terrain, it's the target.
00:35:48.000Whatever you think of climate change, and whether it's man-made or not, and what the response is, do you know how they're trying to influence you and manipulate you?
00:35:58.000You know, scriptwriters for films and series, they're invited to workshops.
00:36:05.000For instance, there was a workshop for scriptwriters about how to increase vaccination uptake.
00:36:11.000I mean, I know people talked about it because on soap operas in the UK, and let us know if this happened in your country, there was just sort of like casual bits of chat about, have you had your booster shot yet?
00:36:19.000I ain't getting a booster shot, there's no proof that it works.
00:36:29.000This kind of thing's been going on for decades.
00:36:31.000It's the history of the BBC and governments have had hotlines to soap opera managers and broadcasters forever.
00:36:38.000I think what's different is how out in the open it is.
00:36:40.000Now I've got documentation about the scriptwriters being invited to talk about vaccination uptake and there was a scriptwriter who spoke to me anonymously, again, because he doesn't want to destroy his Hollywood career, My new book, Free Your Mind, because the stories are just fascinating.
00:36:54.000When you watch your soap opera for a bit of light entertainment in the evening, I bet you don't, I don't, but millions of people do, switch off, enjoy it, fine, but be mindful.
00:37:04.000They are constantly trying to socially engineer you.
00:37:07.000There's a big soap opera here in the UK.
00:37:09.000They had Just the kind of cheesy vaccination scene you're talking about.
00:37:19.000There was a couple of ethnic minority characters talking quite virtuously about how they'd had their vaccine.
00:37:24.000And then a white woman comes onto the scene, ironically called Karen, and she hasn't had it and they call her one of them anti-vaxxers and make fun of her because she's buying cigarettes but she won't get the vaccine.
00:38:30.000We're wading through woke, but we're not wading through water.
00:38:33.000The point of the graphic is to trick you into thinking that this climate crisis is there on your doorstep.
00:38:40.000One day you might walk out on the cities underwater.
00:38:42.000Although the Netherlands have managed to hold back rising sea levels with medieval technology, and we've got Thames barriers, you know, it's to frighten you.
00:38:52.000You know, there's no great clamour among the world's people to eat more insects.
00:38:56.000You know, we're not all going, oh yes, give me mealworms and crickets.
00:38:59.000But have you seen how many programmes are talking about using insects, like in cookery programmes or celebrities eating insects from Angelina Jolie barbecuing Tarantulas, which was truly horrific, to Robert Downey Jr.
00:39:13.000talking about a protein drink that's made from insects.
00:39:16.000You know, there is some kind of technocratic public policy do-gooders, academics and politicians, that really want you to eat insects.
00:39:25.000So you'll see it everywhere in the media.
00:39:27.000Many of these have been regarded as and dubbed right-wing talking points.
00:39:33.000Let me know in the chat and the comments if you're aware of that.
00:39:37.000And let me know also how you identify in terms of your political persuasion.
00:39:41.000My personal belief, of course, is that neither right-wing nor left-wing party organizations are going to deliver to you the individual freedom that you will come to require. I'd love to have a look at
00:39:52.000that. If you can find that EastEnders scene of the vaccines, that would be fantastic if you can pull
00:39:56.000that up and queue it up, have a little look at it before we play it out. That would be fantastic.
00:40:01.000When you said earlier about the brain, or perhaps more obtusely, but maybe more accurately, it's
00:40:08.000difficult to say, Consciousness being the battlefield of our current war of information, having moved from the wars against nations, the Cold War already becoming an abstraction to the war against terror, to the war against germs, now the war against ideas and the war against consciousness.
00:40:26.000It seems to me that it is necessary that we undertake a kind of individual spiritual awakening where we take personal responsibility for our consciousness, where we become aware of when we are responding to fear and when we are responding to desire.
00:40:42.000This is something, of course, I know a good deal about as a recovering alcoholic and drug addict.
00:40:47.000I'm well aware of the role of compulsion and the role of stimulation in organizing my behavior.
00:40:54.000Similarly, though, and blessedly, I'm aware that none of the issues that I seek to resolve externally through material means can ever be resolved in that direction, that without a spiritual awakening, without a willingness to surrender the inner domain to a greater power, I am doomed to be subject to the stimulations, the coordinated stimulations, it seems, that are externally being operated upon us.
00:41:23.000Now me, I feel like that... The climate change conversation for me is bypassed by reverence and love for the environment that I evolved in harmony with.
00:41:34.000That I can see that we ought to behave respectfully towards our planet, and that regulation and control, when it comes to the protection and love of our planet and the species that we share it with, should target first and foremost the most powerful corporate entities that currently enjoy significant subsidies from us.
00:41:52.000Wealth transfer and redistribution of wealth are already taking place.
00:42:07.000And pay attention to the various ways that propaganda can reach you if it doesn't reach you in the rather bold and vivid colors of the, like, wasp spewed propaganda of the British state, then perhaps it
00:42:21.000will reach you through the gentler propaganda of soap operas.
00:42:25.000Let's have a look at the clip we were talking about a moment ago, Laura, on EastEnders.
00:43:23.000Not ever noting that it's an autonomous choice of an adult to choose whether or not to smoke cigarettes rather than take a particular medication.
00:43:32.000Now, as Laura was saying earlier, it's individual freedom that is the issue.
00:43:38.000Forget for a moment what your views are on medication. I'm
00:43:42.000intelligent enough to recognise that people have a variety of personal conditions, some that might
00:43:47.000warrant an enthusiastic response to a pharmaceutical intervention, and others that may be
00:43:53.000more cynical and sceptical. And this is not a reason to be cynical, or let alone hateful to
00:43:58.000other people. Let me know in the chat and the comments, one of the things that
00:44:02.000offended me most was the way we were invited to be condemnatory, judgmental and hateful to one
00:44:06.000another. And it was encouraged, you can see that even with a couple of years of hindsight,
00:44:11.000that screams propaganda. There's no way that that would automatically unfurl from the
00:44:18.000keyboard of a staff writer over there at Elstree EastEnders.
00:44:27.000And you wonder why the ratings are going down for soap operas.
00:44:31.000It's because they're shameless propagandists for government public health messaging.
00:44:36.000And in fact there was a report that came out, I think last year, from the government's nudge unit.
00:44:41.000And Sky, the broadcaster, and it's called The Power of TV.
00:44:45.000And it's about nudging people towards net zero.
00:44:47.000And this is what I mean about it being more in the open.
00:44:50.000They talk about using the whole gamut of programming from news, which you'd like to think is impartial, to children's programming and cookery, travel, documentaries, product placement, everything in between, in order to make people compliant for net zero policies.
00:45:06.000It's quite astonishing that it's just out there in the open.
00:45:09.000And they talk about the historical use of TV for social engineering.
00:45:13.000So, you know, I would never tell people to turn off the TV, although there is a chapter of my new book with that title.
00:45:20.000But if you don't want to turn off the TV, you have to watch it mindfully.
00:45:24.000You have to understand that it's not a one-way process.
00:45:29.000Influence you as much as entertain you.
00:45:32.000And actually, you know, you were asking before what the dangers coming up are.
00:45:36.000I think people don't understand what a pivotal time we're at with artificial intelligence.
00:45:42.000So at the moment there's a lot of buzz about generative AI, so chat, GPT, BARD, these really fun tools where you can ask it to write you some copy, ask you to write it some text, use it for research.
00:45:58.000That has the potential not only to be used to generate copy but to manipulate you and nudge you.
00:46:04.000And I think people don't realize how far we're already in that world.
00:46:11.000Now this sounds like, hello doggy, this sounds like a really worthy, it sounds like a really
00:46:17.000worthy idea that you want to reduce knife crime.
00:46:23.000But what's happened is the UK government has identified the sort of people that might be
00:46:29.000at risk of being perpetrators and gets ad serve to them online.
00:46:34.000So let's say young people that like drill, they've been identified as potential knife crime perpetrators.
00:46:39.000So they search for drill and they get anti-knife crime ads.
00:46:43.000Now this sounds great, but what if that person was never going to pick up a knife, was never going to commit a knife crime?
00:46:49.000They're being followed around the internet by knife crime ads.
00:46:53.000The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
00:46:56.000And for all we know, people are getting the idea about knife crime that they never would have had.
00:47:00.000If I search for knives, I'm probably going to get some really cool Swiss Army knife ads.
00:47:04.000You know, I'm going to really enjoy it.
00:47:05.000I'm going to go on some great websites.
00:47:07.000But somebody who's... I'm not a fan of drill.
00:47:10.000No, but I do listen to quite a lot of cool music thanks to my sons, but not Drill.
00:47:15.000But you know, if I was in a city, black, listen to Drill, I'm going to get totally different search results to me.
00:47:20.000We're in that world now, we're already in that, and what that is reminiscent of is the kind of futuristic surveillance society, you know, that pre-crime, thought-crime territory of films like Minority Report.
00:49:08.000Meditations, extra content, and even the opportunity to come here in the livid, lurid flesh.
00:49:15.000We're gonna take a little break now so as we don't go absolutely crazy from the burden of our endeavor, but when we return on the 5th of June, our guests will include Tulsi Gabbard, Richard Dawkins, Roger Waters, and this just in.
00:49:59.000That you require in order that you die.
00:50:01.000Because most food is now so bad for you, you'd be better off just eating tablets and staring off into limitless space drooling.
00:50:08.000A new study suggests that much of the processed food we're eating is not only causing us cancer and diabetes and heart disease, it's also literally making us stupid.
00:50:45.000Oh, this is a choice that you should make at the level of the consumer.
00:50:47.000But I also know for basically a fact that it's people that are working all the time, don't have enough money, poor, bored, broken people are eating food that's bad for them.
00:50:56.000Why are we not spending time looking at ways of growing food locally where possible?
00:51:01.000Only transporting food around the world when necessary.
00:51:04.000Having as our aim optimal, healthy, nutritious food for us all.
00:51:25.000As soon as you eat a bunch of processed food, you eat a bunch of crisps, chips, chocolate, ice cream, whatever, there's the moment, the delicious thrill of hacking through the evolutionary code.
00:51:35.000Oh my god, I've got all this sugar and fat!
00:52:24.000What's the point in a society if all it does is supports powerful business interests while turning you into a dumb, thick, cancer-ridden lump?
00:52:32.000We're eating more processed foods than ever, and ultra-processed food make up nearly 60% of Americans' diets on average.
00:54:42.000Do you have no access to delicious organic food that could grow abundantly if we were willing to alter systems that benefit the most powerful institutions and interests in the world?
00:54:51.000The potential mood-lowering fodder is not just limited to buns and burgers.
00:55:25.000Chuck it up in the air like that and catch it again.
00:55:28.000Leading dietician Susie Burrell says there's growing evidence that manufactured food may impact the microbes in our digestive system.
00:55:36.000We have known for quite some time that a high intake of ultra-processed food has a profound effect on the health of the gut microbiome, which we're learning also has a profound effect over our mental health.
00:55:47.000Things like microbiomes and gut health and the complexity of biochemistry and the body and our relationship between food, that's stuff that people just didn't talk about that long ago, but isn't it It's sort of odd that stuff your grandparents used to tell you, like eat your greens, eat your vegetables, it will help you grow, has all proven to be true.
00:56:04.000We evolved in harmony, of course, with the foods that we eat.
00:56:08.000We are creatures that are products of our environment.
00:56:10.000Part of the process of civilization is dominion over our environment.
00:56:14.000In extremis, what that means is we sort of ignore the fact that we had anything to do with it.
00:56:34.000There are certain financial and economic interests that benefit from you eating certain food, and since the advent of agriculture onwards, whilst it has solved the problem of starvation, it's also solved the problem of Healthiness of eating a varied and balanced diet based on your own personal needs and what your environment wants you to eat because you are your environment.
00:57:46.000Do you think that the lobbying money that Big Food spends isn't about, could you just slow down the eventual revelation that our product is killing its market?
00:57:54.000So we can just wait for a few more to be born, so we can carry on killing them.
00:57:57.000That's what they're lobbying monies for!
00:57:59.000All of Unilever and Kraft and Great Becoming, his own thousands of brands.
00:58:30.000I just had a poo and a bit of my bum fell out!
00:58:33.000Roughly 60% of the calories in the average American diet come from highly processed foods.
00:58:39.000Research from the past 10 years or so has shown that the more ultra-processed food a person eats, the higher the chances that they feel depressed and anxious.
00:58:46.000A few studies have suggested a link between eating ultra-processed foods, or UPFs, and increased risk of cognitive decline.
00:59:14.000I think I'm gonna eat this vile, gorgeous, blue shit.
00:59:18.000Ultra-processed foods are carefully formulated to be so palatable and satisfying that they're almost addictive.
00:59:23.000Do you remember when we all learned that social media sites knew that that action, like, we just couldn't stop ourselves from doing it with such little bloody gorgeous little ape morons. I always suspected that what's happening online
00:59:32.000is basically what happens everywhere. That's the way that greed functions. They work
00:59:37.000out what's effective and successful and they just continually amplify it and there's no point
00:59:41.000where they'll cap it and go, is this, have we gone too far now? Ultimately in the end we're
00:59:44.000just gonna be scrolling and scrolling and consuming blue delicious gunk and just
00:59:48.000dropping dead of cancer after they keep us alive for about 20 years with very expensive drugs
00:59:52.000that they could lower the price of but won't.
01:00:44.000One 2022 study of over 10,000 adults in the United States, the more UPFs participants ate, the more likely they were to report mild depression or feelings of anxiety.
01:00:54.000How do you feel after drinking all that black sugary drink and eating all that salty, disgusting processed food?
01:01:00.000I'm wondering if I might be another great guy.
01:01:20.000A 2022 study that followed nearly 11,000 Brazilian adults over a decade found a correlation between eating ultra-processed foods and worse cognitive function, the ability to learn, remember, reason and solve problems.
01:01:35.000While we have a natural decline in these abilities with age, we saw that this decline accelerated by 28% in people who consume more than 20% of their calories from UPFs, said Natalia Gomez-Goncalves, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Sao Paulo Medical School and the lead author of the study.
01:01:50.000It's also worth considering the possibility that the link between highly processed foods and mental health works in both directions.
01:01:56.000Diet does influence mood, but the reverse is also true, said Dr. Frank Hu, a professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard T.H.
01:02:05.000When you get stressed, anxious or depressed, you tend to eat more unhealthy foods, in particular ultra-processed foods that are high in sugar and fat.
01:02:14.000Let me know in the chat in the comments.
01:02:14.000When you feel down and a bit depressed, one of the ways that you might try to soothe yourself or lift your mood is, ironically, by doing the thing that put you in that terrible state in the first place, you beautiful, darved monkey.
01:02:25.000A study by Imperial School of Public Health found that higher consumption of ultra-processed foods was associated with a greater risk of developing cancer overall, and specifically with ovarian and brain cancers.
01:02:35.000It was also associated with an increased risk of dying from cancer, most notably with ovarian and breast cancers.
01:02:41.000But do remember, it's delicious and it's highly profitable for the people that make it.
01:02:45.000How is it they're able to continue doing this when everyone knows that it's bad for us?
01:02:50.000Why are the government not doing something about it?
01:02:52.000Surely the government should be operating on your behalf to regulate these industries and ensure that, where possible, we're given the best opportunities to stay healthy and fit.
01:03:02.000Coca-Cola, PepsiCo, AB InBev and 27 other companies spend close to 40 million dollars a year on lobbying in an effort to make their voices heard by lawmakers and regulators.
01:03:13.000Lobbying just means stopping people doing what they should do and would do if lobbying ended.
01:03:20.000And documents released in December show an influential group that helps shape U.S.
01:03:23.000food policy and steers consumers towards nutritional products, has financial ties to the world's largest processed food companies, and has been controlled by former industry employees who have worked for companies like Monsanto.
01:03:34.000So the people that go, we are America.
01:03:37.000Obviously, you idiots are eating poisonous food that we're selling you.
01:03:41.000That's why we, an independent body funded by them, have got some advice about what to do.
01:03:54.000The documents reveal the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has a record of quid pro quos with a range of food giants, owns stock in ultra-processed food companies and has received millions in contributions from producers of pop, candy and processed foods linked to diabetes, heart disease, obesity and other health problems.
01:04:14.000What's having the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics owning stock in ultra-processed food?
01:04:19.000We are here for one reason, and one reason only, to direct you towards healthy food.
01:04:24.000Also, we do own stocks in very unhealthy foods that have caused this problem in the first place, but do not let that think that that will... What?
01:05:01.000Continually through your culture, they tell you this, but really it's that.
01:05:04.000The Academy accepted at least 15 million dollars from corporate and organizational contributors from 2011 to 2017 and over 4.5 million in additional funding went to the Academy's foundation.
01:05:14.000Among the highest contributions came from companies such as Nestle, PepsiCo, Hershey, Kellogg's, General Mills, Conagra, the National Dairy Council and the baby formula producer Abbott Nutrition.
01:05:33.000More than 300 children, including two 10-year-olds, were recently found working at McDonald's restaurants across Kentucky and several other states in violation of federal labor laws.
01:05:41.000They're selling you bad food, they're exploiting your children, they're lying to you continually, and we're not going to do anything about it because the body that was inaugurated in order to protect you is funded by them.
01:05:55.000So there you go, a simple story that shows you how you are being slowly poisoned by delicious foods.
01:06:01.000In a sense, it's a perfect metaphor for the way that we live today.
01:06:03.000Things that taste delicious because we were not evolved to have access to them in these proportions are slowly killing us and the government is not going to do anything about it and the corporations aren't going to do anything about it except set up regulatory bodies that are invested in things staying the same.
01:06:15.000Where's change going to come from then?
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