In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, Russell Brand talks to Viva Frey about the Hunter Biden case, and why he thinks Joe Biden should go to jail. He's joined by Gina Carano and Viva Friesen to discuss the scandalous details of the case and how they can use it as a tool to diagnose the true state of our justice system, and ask the question: are our institutions more corrupt than we d ever dare to dream previously? And who's next in line for the presidency of the United States? Will it be Kamala Harris? Or will it be her husband, Joe Biden? And what does it mean for the future of the Democratic Party in America? Plus, a look at how the legacy media got us into this mess in the first place. Stay Free with Russell Brand is available on all good podcasting platforms, including Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your favourite podcasting platform, and wherever you re listening to your favourite streaming platform. Stay free with us! Stay free, and stay free, wherever you are listening to the show. Thank you for listening, and we ll see you next Friday. xoxo, The Awakened Wonderful Wonders. - Rachael Maddow & Viva Frye - Pile4G99 R.J. Carano GINA CARANO VIVA FAYETTE and VAVA FAKEE AND VIVVIA FAYE - THE WELCOME, VIVIVVIE FYREYANCHOR, VVIVVY FYER, VVA FYE, GRAVY, VAVY FELTE, GABRIKE, RACHEL MADDOW & JANE RYAN OCHTERO - GRAFAKEE, RAY MAJOR, RACHAEL MANDOWE, PLEASTERO, JOSH MILLER, JOSEPH MCDERMAKAMALIE, RICHARD, AND JOSHA CHEROWEVERYTHING, AND MORE! - THE PODCAST, RAAAAAY! - RAY MADDITIONAL, RUSSY, RODDY, BABY, JAMES AND KELLY AND KAVILLA, BOBBY AND JOSH, JORDY, AND KAMAL ACHIE, AND YANNA CHEESE, ROSHA ANCHOR AND MORE, we take YOU'S MISSION, WE'LL BE AVAILABLE IN RUMBLE!
00:04:31.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:04:34.000And what an exciting day it is because we've got pretty important questions to ask, haven't we, about the nature of justice, whether or not we do have institutions that can be relied upon to be objective and fair, or whether or not the Hunter Biden trial and verdict is being used simultaneously as a smoke screen.
00:04:55.000Is it being used to legitimise the idea that we can in fact rely on the judiciary?
00:05:00.000Trump's going to go to jail, Hunter Biden's guilty of firearm possession while on drugs.
00:05:08.000The system works while negating these significant facts.
00:05:12.000There were significant charges pertaining to taxes that have been omitted as part of the sweetheart deal that Hunter Biden was offered and indeed granted.
00:05:22.000And significantly, do you not remember way back in 2020 when the stories emerged about Hunter Biden's laptop?
00:05:28.000Do you remember how widely the idea that this was Russian disinformation was disseminated?
00:05:34.000How that idea was conveyed widely and broadly?
00:05:38.000So far from this being an indication that you can rely on the justice system, it might be the exact opposite.
00:05:44.000We'll be looking at that story in detail to see how we can use it as a tool to diagnose the true state of our systems.
00:05:53.000Are they more corrupt than we'd ever dare to dream previously?
00:05:58.000We'll also be talking to my beloved friend, my new colleague, and I'm going to call him hair twin, Viva Frey!
00:06:08.000That is who I'm going to be talking to!
00:06:15.000So um yeah that's what we've got all of that, we've got all of that coming up in the next We're going to be talking a little bit too about the hysteria surrounding the incarceration of Donald Trump and who will be next to be incarcerated.
00:06:31.000AOC is pretty concerned that she might be going down.
00:06:33.000Rachel Maddow's concerned that she might be going down.
00:06:36.000All of these people that are concerned that they might be imprisoned seem pretty keen To imprison Donald Trump.
00:06:43.000Yeah, we have got amazing guests coming on the show.
00:07:51.000That's what they're talking about in the Awaken Wonder chat.
00:07:53.000Let me know if you know what film that's from.
00:07:57.000There's nearly 6,000 of you watching us now on Rumble.
00:08:00.000If you're watching this on YouTube, we'll be there for about another 10 minutes, then we'll be exclusively available in that sweet stream of freedom that we call Rumble.
00:08:10.000We asked you earlier whether or not you thought Bea Hunter Biden was guilty.
00:08:14.000You said that you think he should go to jail, actually.
00:08:17.000Maybe that's, oh, is that the solution?
00:08:22.000Have a look at how the legacy media, in a minute, we'll do that story in depth in a minute.
00:08:28.000Before we get to the Hunter Biden story, just want to spool through a few things that give you a sense that, well, for a start, Joe Biden simply cannot be running the world when he cannot run his own neurological systems correctly.
00:08:43.000Check out, this is Joe Biden I would say somewhat less than rhythmic at Juneteenth
00:09:55.000Why I like this is because Edward Snowden's one of the significant voices in helping us to understand the The degree to which we were being surveilled.
00:10:04.000The amount of collaboration that takes place between big tech and communication companies and our government.
00:10:10.000And even Edward Snowden's a little taken aback by this.
00:10:19.000This is something to be concerned about.
00:10:21.000And think of the things that Edward Snowden's been exposed to.
00:10:24.000She knows so long as she's denied, our freedom can never be secured.
00:10:31.000Because normally, like, in the word search of Joe Biden's communication, you can pick out what's actually being said, but there, in this one, I don't actually know, I don't know, like, if that was directions of how to get somewhere, you wouldn't be able to follow it, would you?
00:11:21.000But on Morning Joe, the confidence remains high that Joe Biden is effective, potent, sharp as a tack and it is indeed Donald Trump who is not well or mentally capable.
00:11:36.000We're not going to be talking about this for much longer because we're going to talk about the Hunter Biden verdict and how it is being used as a media asset to demonstrate the reliability of the judicial system while simultaneously Obfuscating the fact that the most serious charges were omitted and that it amounts to a tacit acknowledgement that the laptop was always real and that all of the big tech and in particular social media organizations that participated in the censorship of that story were essentially engaging in election interference due to the sensitive time that it emerged.
00:12:13.000Now a lot of you are saying You feel sorry for Joe Biden and I appreciate that actually.
00:12:19.000I suppose don't you think that ultimately if human beings are eternal via virtue of the nature of our souls then our moral and spiritual principles have to supersede our political convictions.
00:12:39.000So we've got to look at this from a spiritual perspective More than a political one.
00:12:44.000And from that perspective, you think, man, this is ridiculous.
00:12:53.000Joe Biden doesn't look capable of even sort of If he was your grandfather, you wouldn't say to him, listen, I'm going out now, I want you to make a lasagna and remember to set the burglar alarm before you go out and make sure that our gun cupboard is fastened and secured because you know what Hunter's like, he'll get on it and he'll be in that gun cupboard.
00:13:19.000You wouldn't trust him with ordinary domestic duty.
00:13:24.000Because of the requirement for, you know, he needs compassion and he clearly needs guidance.
00:13:30.000Let's have a look at Morning Joe though.
00:13:33.000Let's have a look at how the legacy media continue to frame these evident disparities favourably for the interests that they so vociferously support.
00:13:42.000That's why I suppose it's important that we remain as best as we can objective.
00:13:47.000Again, it's just like the way we started this show.
00:13:50.000Trump is literally crazy on stage, and I say it not in a good way.
00:13:59.000Not mentally capable of holding together a sentence when his prompter goes down.
00:14:05.000And yet Biden is constantly covered for being old, but yet travels onto the world stage doing speeches, dinners, important ceremonies.
00:14:14.000This isn't actually what we should be discussing, is it?
00:14:17.000Like, who is in most radical cognitive decline?
00:14:22.000You know that my perspective is we need significant systemic and institutional change, radical decentralisation, unifying only to oppose the corporate globalist giants that oppress us at every turn, that dominate our systems of Parliament, Government and Congress, Through financial coercion, through lobbying, through donation.
00:14:43.000If we're not going to address those problems, the personalities that are in charge of our nations are not going to be significant.
00:14:49.000Perhaps the world won't meaningfully change regardless of who you vote for in 2024.
00:14:54.000Those are the conversations that perhaps we have to have.
00:14:56.000These are the institutions that we have to address.
00:14:59.000The idea that we're still talking about the personalities and the degree to which the potential leaders of the free world are experiencing senility suggests that we're living in little paddocks of sanctioned conversation and ignoring vast planes of possibility and potential radical change.
00:15:15.000Recognising people who suffered and survived D-Day That D-Day was a catastrophe, wasn't it?
00:15:25.000There's the bit where he was honouring people that were in the wrong direction.
00:15:44.000I don't know why the Democrats aren't putting forward a different candidate.
00:15:47.000I don't know why they didn't embrace RFK.
00:15:49.000It's ridiculous that that guy had to leave the Democrat Party in order to run as an independent.
00:15:54.000I suppose it's an obvious revelation that this institution, the Democrat Party, is entirely owned by financial interests, by the military-industrial complex, by Big Pharma.
00:16:08.000And I suppose the evident decline, senescence and senility of Joe Biden is the perfect metaphor for the state of our nation and the state of these institutions.
00:16:18.000And if we don't embrace radical change, we're all in a lot of trouble.
00:16:22.000They're not going to say that, are they?
00:16:24.000Dear old... There's two things Morning Joe spends his personal time on.
00:16:28.000That's ensuring that his hair looks fantastic, and it does, and ensuring that he Fills the air with bombast around Joe Biden's faculties and capabilities, which he also does.
00:16:40.000You see it all on video, except if you go to these places or you talk to those Republicans, you see the one time where he couldn't find his chair.
00:16:57.000And let Republicans keep lying about Joe Biden.
00:17:00.000It's only going to help him in the end.
00:17:01.000It's only going to lower expectations so much that he's going to come out and do what he does at every State of the Union address.
00:17:07.000He's going to outperform because of all the lies that are told about him.
00:17:11.000I love that wolf and sheep meme that's being shared in the Awake and Wonder chat, this time by Shaman711.
00:17:19.000It's a wolf preaching to a congregation of sheep saying, once elected I will be vegetarian.
00:17:25.000Maybe we need to be considering more radical change.
00:17:28.000Maybe we need to consider accessing within ourselves great and potent powers that will allow us to discern Whether or not we are being righteously governed.
00:17:38.000Let me know what you think in the chat over on rumble.
00:17:40.000Let me know what you think awakened wonders like blessed old bird and mrs cms and you strong gas in the rumble chat or pariah siege all of you we care what you think even if you're watching this on youtube right now remember to remain subscribed to our channels but also to acknowledge that there's a link in your description right now and we'll be talking about the truth behind the hunter biden verdict in a few minutes as well as talking to viva fry about the emergence Hey!
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00:19:28.000Okay, listen guys, we're going to leave YouTube now before we start the Hunter Biden story.
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00:20:18.000All of us, I believe as a Christian, are saved not through our own virtue, but because we have been redeemed by the ultimate act of sacrifice.
00:20:27.000None of us are in a position to judge or condemn anybody else.
00:21:10.000Given the nature of the conviction, he is guilty of being on drugs while in possession of a hired firearm.
00:21:17.000You will remember in 2020 when the laptop story was being censored as a conspiracy.
00:21:24.000The thing that was most interesting is the fact that Hunter Biden was likely using his access to then Vice President Joe Biden to get a job at Burisma,
00:22:16.000I feel like what we have to look at and what we're going to look at is does this conviction show us that justice is blind or the opposite?
00:22:24.000Is this a distraction from the more serious charges that seem to have been omitted and is the fact that ever The evidence from the laptop has been used by the prosecution in this trial.
00:22:35.000A further endorsement of the idea that the censorship of that story was election interfering.
00:23:27.000Or is this about what he's not being convicted of or even charged with?
00:23:32.000Because those charges would lead us all the way to the White House and into a fair analysis of the degree of corruption within those institutions.
00:23:41.000Let's have a look at the legacy media reporting first of all.
00:23:45.000It took a Delaware jury less than three hours to find the president's son guilty, guilty, guilty on all three felony gun charges, deciding he violated laws meant to prevent those who use and are addicted to illegal drugs from owning firearms.
00:23:59.000Multiple jurors spoke to CNN in the moments after they left court, including juror number 10, who told CNN that the jury had been evenly split last night when they wrapped for the day with six guilty, six not guilty.
00:24:11.000But this morning, jurors went count by count and unanimously decided Hunter Biden was, in fact, guilty on all three counts.
00:24:18.000Hunter Biden responded to the verdict in a written statement, saying, quote, I am more grateful today for the love and support I experienced this last week from his wife, Melissa, my family, my friends, and my community than I am disappointed by the outcome.
00:24:30.000Recovery is possible by the grace of God, and I am blessed to experience that gift one day at a time, unquote.
00:24:34.000Hunter Biden now faces, theoretically, up to 25 years in prison.
00:24:40.000So the rhetoric around recovery is encouraging to hear but over here in the Awaken Wonder chat a lot of people are talking about human trafficking, a lot of you were talking about election interference, a lot of you were talking about the censorship that took place in 2020.
00:24:55.000Censoring this story at a time where people were making up their mind as to whether or not they could trust Joe Biden, whether or not Joe Biden was indeed, as he was proclaiming at the time, an adult that was going to reboot American democracy, that was going to reset what were regarded and reported to be the travesties of the Trump administration.
00:25:18.000If we now are to assume, as this case seems to verify, that that laptop Let's have a look at this.
00:25:26.000When Mark Zuckerberg was on Joe Rogan, he talked about the degree to which they censored the laptop story.
00:25:30.000Here are the things we have to consider.
00:25:32.000the laptop story which happened at large was if not just plain corruption, potentially election
00:25:41.000interference. Let's have a look at this. When Mark Zuckerberg was on Joe Rogan, he talked about
00:25:47.000the degree to which they censored the laptop story. Here are the things we have to consider.
00:25:52.000How important was the laptop story, Hunter Biden's exploitation of his relationship with his father,
00:25:58.000the fact that it seems to indicate that Joe Biden had business interests and potential kickbacks
00:26:04.000that are pretty peculiar, pretty off book, pretty dark.
00:26:09.000How easy does it make it to believe that he's an authentic and reliable, safe pair of hands president, particularly when you see him now, when you see him in the state of decline that he's in?
00:26:18.000And how important was it that that story was censored?
00:26:21.000And then we'll look at some of the charges that are not included, the fact that this might be regarded more as a smokescreen than a victory for justice.
00:26:34.000The distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still allowed to share it.
00:26:38.000So you could still share it, you could still consume it.
00:26:40.000So when you say the distribution has decreased, how does that work?
00:26:45.000Basically, the ranking in News Feed was a little bit less.
00:26:47.000So fewer people saw it than would have otherwise.
00:26:53.000I don't know off the top of my head, but it's meaningful.
00:26:56.000But basically, a lot of people were still able to share it.
00:27:03.000We got a lot of complaints that that was the case.
00:27:05.000You know, obviously this is a hyper-political issue, so depending on what side of the political spectrum you either think we didn't censor it enough or censored it way too much, but we weren't sort of as black and white about it as Twitter.
00:27:16.000We just kind of thought, hey, look, if the FBI, which I still view as a legitimate institution in this country, it's a very professional law enforcement, they come to us and tell us that we need to be on guard about something, then I want to take that seriously.
00:27:29.000Did they specifically say you need to be on guard about that story?
00:27:33.000No, I don't remember if it was that specifically, but it basically fit the pattern.
00:27:38.000The sense I get from looking at this is that the hunt of Biden matter, the laptop, the various charges, the charges that have been pursued to conviction and the charges that have been dropped and ignored as part of a sweetheart deal are a good way of diagnosing the state of the institutions that make up an apparent democracy.
00:27:59.000It's a clear indication that We're living in times of widespread censorship and widespread corruption.
00:28:06.000The idea that this is put before us as an example of how we can rely on the judiciary is pretty ridiculous.
00:28:13.000Let's have a look at this post from Greg Price.
00:28:18.000Hunter Biden being convicted of a firearms charge is the ultimate red herring of red herrings.
00:28:23.000The DOJ allowed the statute of limitations to expire in his most serious tax charges, buried evidence of the Biden's foreign bribery allegations and attempted to give Hunter a sweetheart deal with broad immunity.
00:28:35.000David Weiss wouldn't go after him on the serious tax charges, Or on Farah because all of that would lead back to the shady business dealings involving his father.
00:28:43.000Instead they went after him on a much lesser charge where the evidence was way too insurmountable to ignore.
00:28:49.000So they can all scream nobody is above the law when they put President Trump in jail.
00:28:53.000Do you think that's a pretty fair assessment of what's happening?
00:28:57.000Let me know in the Awaken Wonder chat.
00:29:02.000Did you see this from Glenn Greenwald on the subject?
00:29:06.000A major prong of Hunter's prosecution were the docs from his laptop, the one the New York Post used to report on Biden's sketchy deals and Ukraine in China.
00:29:13.000Thus the jury accepted their obvious authenticity, yet look at the lies the US media spread about those in 2020 to protect Biden.
00:29:23.000So here are the things I'm starting to take from this.
00:29:26.000They knew that laptop was authentic and censored it in 2020 because they knew that it would unfavorably impact the election.
00:29:34.000Two, the most serious offenses have been extracted.
00:29:38.000Three, they're using this to try to legitimize the idea that the justice system is reliable.
00:29:45.000If, because this seems to be a phenomena of recent times, you've already forgotten how hysterical the legacy media reporting was at that time.
00:29:54.000The laptop story was Russian misinformation.
00:29:59.000That story was pre-bunked and we were prepped to discredit the idea of the Hunter Biden laptop, which we now know Was authentic, was always authentic, so what we can discern from that, what we can extrapolate from that, is that censoring that story in 2020 was meaningful and significant.
00:30:18.000Even Mark Zuckerberg used the word meaningful, that they They repressed Shadowband, controlled that story in a meaningful way.
00:30:44.000Tonight, the Trump campaign is accusing Twitter and Facebook of censorship after the social media companies blocked the spread of an unverified story about former Vice President Joe Biden's son and the laptop allegedly full of his old emails.
00:30:58.000It's a story raising concerns about whether it's real or just designed to sow confusion in the final weeks of the election.
00:31:05.000Experts say it has all the hallmarks of information laundering.
00:31:09.000This looks like your classic disinformation campaign.
00:31:13.000Eric O'Neill is a former FBI operative.
00:31:17.000Steal the information with a cyber attack, get the emails from Hunter Biden's account, and then put them on these laptops that are left at a repair store, and that's how the information is now laundered into the public.
00:31:30.000Well, the Russians would be my number one guess.
00:31:32.000Social media outlets were quick to limit the spread of the story.
00:31:36.000Twitter briefly suspending the accounts of the Trump campaign and White House Press Secretary after they tried to share it.
00:31:44.000Twitter and Facebook have limited the distribution of that Hunter Biden story.
00:31:48.000And last night, Twitter appeared to suspend the Twitter account of White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany when she tried to share that story.
00:32:03.000For a long time, Giuliani has been... So there you have it.
00:32:08.000You may live in times of deluge and times of flood, but there is nothing like the flood of misinformation that the legacy media will willingly convey to manipulate the sphere of consciousness within which we all live.
00:32:20.000The Hunter Biden laptop story has always been a diagnostic tool to help us understand The flow of power and the flow of information.
00:32:31.000It seems likely that the guilty verdict will ultimately be used to authenticate the judicial process.
00:32:37.000Well, look, they found Hunter Biden guilty.
00:32:44.000When you see dear Joe Biden frozen in a rictus moment, immobile and staring at a Juneteenth celebration, you are being told everything you need to know.
00:32:56.000That this system is no longer progressing.
00:33:48.000That the judiciary, like the media, like various other institutions are simply an arsenal of weaponry deployed to meet the objectives of the powerful.
00:33:59.000Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
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00:34:32.000I'm talking of course about the great rumbler that is Viva Fry.
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00:37:25.000Before we get into talking about your journey from being a... but in a sense what fascinates me is how all of us get dragged into politics, how everything that you do becomes ultimately politicised because there doesn't seem to be any institution or even cultural artefact that is free from the insidious influence of modern power and how it is asserted.
00:37:50.000I wanted to just ask you how you think these stories now can be used as a litmus test for where the current judiciary is, whether it's the Hunter Biden story, the Donald Trump verdict, or the various times where we see the law used in ways that don't seem objective.
00:38:15.000You know, I'm trying to think of a way to phrase the thought.
00:38:16.000It's not because a clearly guilty man is convicted that it's evidence that the system works.
00:38:21.000It's not even because a clearly guilty man is acquitted that it's evidence that the system is broken.
00:38:25.000It's when a clearly innocent person is convicted that it's evidence that the system is broken.
00:38:29.000You can get guilty people off on legit legal means.
00:38:32.000But when you use lawfare to then go after people who prima facie, and even after all the evidence is in, are clearly innocent, and it's not biased that I'm saying this for Trump in the New York Trump case, It's that Hunter Biden, dead to rights, and he was convicted.
00:38:46.000I actually predicted he was going to get acquitted because if you had followed the Michael Sussman case, remember the DNC attorney who met with the FBI to slip them the Steele dossier?
00:38:54.000And he said he didn't do it for and on behalf of a client, that he was charged with lying to the FBI.
00:38:59.000And he said, oh, I didn't do it for and on behalf of a client, except he actually billed Hillary Clinton and the DNC for the very meeting where he fed them the Steele dossier.
00:39:09.000So yeah, a guilty man being acquitted could be evidence of a broken system, but it really is when you have someone who clearly should never have been under the prosecutorial regime getting convicted that you know the system is broken.
00:39:19.000Are you referring to the fact that the law was changed a couple of years prior to that trial, that various misdemeanors were put together to create kind of an amalgam felony?
00:39:31.000That's how they got from what would otherwise be a misdemeanor charge of business falsification of records by classifying something improperly to a 34 count felony, because they said it would otherwise be a misdemeanor that would have been time barred in Trump's case, in the New York Alvin Bragg prosecution.
00:39:46.000And the way they got around that was by saying, well, it was to cover up a federal crime, although we couldn't specify which one, so take your pick at any one of the three, is what the judge said to the jury.
00:39:56.000So they got around the statute of limitations for a misdemeanor, prosecuted Trump for something that no one would have ever been prosecuted for, but for the fact that they wanted to go after Trump.
00:40:09.000And they basically twisted the entire system to go after him, falsify this, take the case in a politically prejudiced jurisdiction, no different than the racially prejudiced jurisdictions of 50 years ago, where they knew he would get convicted for whatever the reason.
00:40:25.000The fact that Hunter Biden, dead to rights, gets convicted does not legitimize the Trump conviction.
00:40:30.000It actually, I think, delegitimizes it and shows how they're using the system to basically take anybody and convict because, like Laverne Tabaria said, find me the man and I'll show you the crime.
00:41:26.000And everyone's like, this has been going on for decades.
00:41:28.000It just hasn't been weaponized politically against rich and powerful people who could expose the system.
00:41:33.000But the criminal system has been broken for decades.
00:41:36.000I mean, that's why up until the weaponization to go after Trump, The left had typically been about criminal justice reform.
00:41:43.000You know, don't throw the book at people for paper crimes.
00:41:46.000Don't lock people up for years for non-violent crimes.
00:41:49.000You know, don't lock them up period because reform is better than incarceration.
00:41:54.000So this has been going on forever and it's really only now been exposed thanks to the fact that they went after the biggest person on earth with the biggest bullhorn on earth.
00:42:02.000Yes I see so in a sense we're just it's just like they say in story development it's a revelation of it's a revelation of of a condition that was previously concealed which is in a way how Viva I regard the period of Covid.
00:42:20.000The institutional corruption that had always been present became apparent because of the scale of the event.
00:42:27.000The pharmaceutical industry has always exploited its ability to control its apparent regulator.
00:42:33.000The state has always looked for opportunity to regulate.
00:42:36.000There has always been a tendency to exploit crisis in order to generate profit and further control.
00:42:42.000But because this was unprecedented, all of those phenomena were Uniquely and candidly exposed.
00:42:53.000This is where, you know, Alex Jones just wrote the book, The Great Awakening, where this awoke up a lot of people who, you know, you had your your inkling to it.
00:43:02.000Everybody had talked about ideological capture, political capture, industry capture.
00:43:07.000But if anybody was not yet aware of this, those who lived through the AIDS crisis back when Fauci was first around, this would not have been news to them.
00:43:14.000They might have been the ones who were ahead of the curve in terms of seeing where this was going.
00:43:18.000Did you read RFK Jr.' 's The Real Anthony Fauci?
00:43:21.000Well, not all of it, because the letters were very, very little.
00:43:41.000But could you tell us just plainly What was Fauci's... Why is Fauci implicated in the mishandling of the AIDS epidemic and HIV?
00:43:53.000Apply everything that we lived through under the COVID pandemic, and I'll put it in quotes, to the AIDS pandemic in the mid-80s, and Fauci was at the helm.
00:44:01.000Everything that we went through here, the... I won't say over-fearmongering.
00:44:05.000But, fear-mongering in terms of contagion.
00:44:08.000You know, Fauci infamously said, you could actually catch it sitting watching television in your living room, or your mother could give it to you through the kitchen.
00:44:14.000You know, I forget what the exact quote was, but there was demonizing of the contagion.
00:44:18.000There was trying to find a vaccine solution to it.
00:44:22.000There was literally illegalizing over-the-counter or off-label use of medications to treat HIV.
00:44:29.000There was the application of toxic medications for profit.
00:45:13.000Demonized doctors who spoke out when they came out with their own toxic treatments that were actually killing more people than they were helping, but it was very profitable for those who were involved in the industry.
00:45:26.000And it was industry capture, but Fauci was at the helm.
00:45:29.000And it played out like the version 2.0.
00:45:31.000And when I'm listening to this book, I only listen to books anymore, so it goes much faster.
00:45:35.000I'm like, holy crab apples, this is what happens when you live long enough It's not a question of being smarter than anybody.
00:45:40.000It's just a question of having seen things that repeat in certain iterations over time.
00:45:46.000Because history doesn't repeat, but it tends to rhyme.
00:45:49.000And so, like, COVID was HIV 2.0, and Fauci was at the helm of both.
00:45:54.000It's worth a listen, if you can get to it.
00:45:57.000Yeah, I mean, because of our ability to communicate and track information and report in real time, we do see, as you say, rhyming templates recurring, and the pandemic again is another great example of that.
00:46:09.000We just have a spate of stories and edicts from the beginning of that period, then we have the ability to refute them, and now we have the A kind of ongoing denial of the truth.
00:46:23.000And then the Hunter Biden story is another one.
00:46:25.000It's not that long ago, because it's only sort of four or five years ago, you can sort of recall and track what's happening almost in real time.
00:46:34.000But then you go to 2020, which was the suppression of the Hunter Biden story.
00:46:38.000Go to 2016, when it all makes much more sense in retrospect, where they were talking about how Trump got elected because there wasn't enough suppression of free speech on Facebook.
00:46:47.000And so like, they talked about censoring information in 2016,
00:46:50.000they were deplatforming people in 2016, Alex Jones.
00:46:53.000And nobody cared back then, because, you know, when they went after Jones, it was probably, I want to say,
00:46:57.0002017, 2018, when they were seeking to censor the interwebs,
00:47:02.000everyone's like, well, okay, fine, he's spreading lies and disinformation, so nobody cares.
00:47:06.000And then it comes to the point where they deplatform the sitting president.
00:47:09.000It comes to the point where they censor information that they knew was true, lie about it, and have a determinate impact on the outcome of the election, and then four years later say, oh yeah, it turned out to be true, the dude just got convicted for what we said was Russian disinformation or bore the earmarks of a Russian information campaign.
00:47:25.000Nobody cared about the censorship back when they hated the object of the censorship.
00:47:30.000Then you get into COVID when people are like, why can't I discuss my own medical freedom freely?
00:47:35.000Why are they censoring stories now that turn out to be more true than not two years later?
00:47:40.000And then it is as though they overplayed their hand and they woke up a little bit too many people because they went a little too hard too fast.
00:47:47.000Where had they just gone a little slower?
00:47:48.000You know, they could have gotten there by 2030, but they might have just put 2030 agenda off to 2050, if ever, because they woke up too many people who said, yeah, I shouldn't have ever gone along with any of this in the first place, regardless of how much I thought I hated Alex Jones or Donald Trump.
00:48:01.000What I've created is more people that are now devout and absolutely, resolutely anti-authoritarian that have, as a starting position, opposition to their Edicts, interests, or verdicts of the powerful.
00:48:17.000that's where we start now I suppose. Now your country Canada is pretty
00:48:22.000fascinating because like if you don't live there five years ago six years ago
00:48:27.000people always thought of Canada as a sort of a bright and breezy liberal
00:48:30.000nation headed up by a man not unlike yourself in that he has a fantastic
00:48:34.000bouffant and wonderful haircut. Oh and and nice socks.
00:48:38.000Justin Trudeau ruined cute like I had these socks forever but I know I feel guilty
00:48:41.000wearing them because it's like very Trudeau-esque. Cute socks are ruined now.
00:48:45.000Absolutely. Another thing tarnished. So can you tell me like how the pandemic period changed your
00:48:50.000perception of the way that your country was governed and prior to that I felt that
00:48:56.000there was this sort of wave like if you just took a passing interest in
00:49:00.000politics particularly in countries that you don't live in it was like oh there's
00:49:04.000this spate of like young leaders with nice haircuts that speak about progressivism
00:49:09.000and liberal values and like I suppose Justin Trudeau in a way was first among
00:49:14.000them how is it that he's come to be regarded as such a villainous figure? He's
00:49:20.000come to be regarded as a villain because he's he's the human scum of
00:49:22.000the earth and as much as I appreciate that you are always open to forgiveness and
00:49:28.000I struggle to get to that point because I loathe the man because he's unapologetically
00:49:34.000villainous but cloaks it in the most superficial of benevolence.
00:49:39.000He was a good-looking young man for anybody who cares about physical appearance.
00:50:07.000They will torment you with the blessing of their own soul because they are morally convinced that what they're doing is right and righteous.
00:50:19.000It was back when Jordan Peterson was raising the alarms about Bill C-16, which added gender identity and gender expression to aggravating factors for hate crimes under the criminal code.
00:50:29.000And Jordan Peterson was saying back in 2016-17, this is going to result in compelled speech.
00:50:34.000And back when I was a wet-behind-the-ear, short-haired, naive, still optimistic lawyer, I'm like, I can see the argument, but as they say, you know, bad cases make for bad law, and it might be a little bit alarmist.
00:50:44.000Anyways, he's been more prophetic, Jordan Peterson, than anybody could have imagined.
00:50:47.000But we went from Trudeau with Bill C-16.
00:50:49.000Then you get into all of the censorship acts that they're posting online.
00:50:53.000Then you get into the gun restrictions.
00:50:55.000And you realize that Justin Trudeau is, effectively, the most tyrannical of dictators, but has a nice smile when he says it.
00:51:03.000But I think people are getting wise to it.
00:51:04.000The only problem is we don't have anyone better.
00:51:06.000You got Jagmeet Singh from the New Democrat Party, who's equally as fascistic.
00:51:09.000And then you got the conservatives, who you can't trust as far as you can throw them, because they are fair-weather politicians as well.
00:51:16.000So, C63, it appears to be an amplification of the kind of censorship that became, like you said, the emergence of Jordan Peterson and that was kind of his moment.
00:51:33.000That's when most people first heard of Jordan Peterson and you're saying that it was incredibly prescient, what he said.
00:51:38.000And again, it was couched in compassion, that people do have the right to identify however they want, we should be kind to each other, we should be polite to one another.
00:51:46.000And throughout the COVID period, the conversation was generally framed in terms of, you know, we've got to protect people, life is sacred.
00:51:56.000How now are these ideas of compassion and care and concern being utilized to centralize further authority?
00:52:04.000Bill C-63 is being dubbed the Online Harms Act, and that is to protect, you know, it's always to protect the children from online bullying, as if laws don't already exist for that.
00:52:14.000To protect the children from online, you know, child pornography, as if laws don't already exist to protect that.
00:52:20.000Bill C-16 added gender identity, gender expression as aggravating factors to the criminal code.
00:52:25.000Some people think there shouldn't be hate crime laws to begin with.
00:52:28.000All crime is a hate crime in its essence.
00:52:30.000And you shouldn't have protected classes because if you have protected classes, that necessarily means you have ignored classes or unprotected classes.
00:52:37.000But the Online Harms Act is the most outrageous, tyrannical piece of legislation you can imagine.
00:52:42.000You know, it seeks to impose potential life in prison for advocating or promoting genocide on the internet or elsewhere.
00:52:51.000I mean, that makes no sense on its face because what does advocating mean?
00:53:13.000They wanted to make it illegal to, or they want to criminalize tweets that could, you know, be deemed to be violent of whatever provisions of the law.
00:53:24.000Worse still, they sort of want to retroactively criminalize it because if a tweet is online and it gets republished when the person who tweeted it or published it had the ability to delete it, any republication would count as a violation under that law.
00:53:36.000So what it is, is nothing shy of trying to stifle any form of critical speech online and blur the line between what had hitherto been legitimately regarded as hate speech, to what people now want to weaponize as hate speech, whereas if you misgender someone, which I think is a misnomer, if you gender them properly, it would be hate speech that could be sanctionable under this law.
00:53:58.000And they cloak it in protecting the children.
00:54:00.000All that it is about is consolidating power and making it much more difficult for anyone to challenge that power, because anything they say, if you say, go F yourself, Trudeau, could be deemed to be whatever they want to regard it as under that new law.
00:54:14.000How significant is it, do you suppose, that comparable laws are being passed simultaneously in various different jurisdictions, usually with the same underlying proposal, that it's in order to encourage compassionate discourse and to protect vulnerable people?
00:54:30.000Well, I analogize it to what happened in the States.
00:54:34.000When one court went one step further as relates to the prosecution of Trump, it wasn't like the other court said, oh, we better back up, this is getting ridiculous.
00:54:41.000That became the new stepping stone for other courts.
00:54:43.000They say, oh, we gagged Trump in New York, so let's gag him in DC.
00:54:47.000Oh, we gagged him in DC, let's gag him in New York yet again.
00:54:50.000Oh, we took him off the ballot in Colorado, so let's take him off the ballot in Maine.
00:54:53.000Courage is contagious, cowardice is contagious, and corruption is contagious.
00:54:57.000And when you see one country doing it, and all of these Western free democrat societies, they still have the one ultimate goal is to maintain and consolidate their power.
00:55:06.000And when they see the free, polite, democrat country like Canada do this, well, it empowers other countries.
00:55:13.000And Canada looks at Brazil and says, well, Brazil's doing it.
00:55:16.000The UK looks at Canada and says, well, they're doing it.
00:55:20.000It's a feeding frenzy of politicians who want to consolidate power.
00:55:23.000And when they see one country doing something stupid, they don't take a step back and say, no, they're going too far.
00:55:27.000They say, well, now we can go a little bit further because they've done it.
00:55:30.000I wonder sometimes, Vivo, whether it is centrally orchestrated or whether it is a kind of migratory tendency and sort of spontaneous formation in the manner we might see in nature.
00:55:44.000Mate, the trucker protest was a kind of organic movement that was a chance for us to see that when people, as you say, act courageously, that can be a contagion all of its own.
00:56:01.000But that was handled pretty aggressively.
00:56:03.000The evocation of that emergency act was one of the moments we thought, oh this guy Trudeau, he's full on man.
00:56:13.000Elsewhere, I think there's a kind of comparison to be made, Viva, with the various movements around agriculture and what appears to be an attempt to control food production.
00:56:23.000We've seen the process in the Netherlands and in Germany and in France and in our country, in the United States of America.
00:56:30.000Do you feel that there's a possibility for a genuine populist movement that isn't really It's not defined within that old rubric of left versus right, but it's more defined by a kind of desire for, where possible, regionalised control, where people want to be able to control their own food and their own farming, want to be able to control their own transportation, want to be able to control their own individual lives.
00:56:54.000Do you think that there's some sort of fissure, some sort of breaking apart, some potential for new movements?
00:57:00.000I mean, what we're seeing is the populist pushback across the world now.
00:57:05.000The left versus the right distinction, I think, is sort of the false dichotomy.
00:57:08.000I think it's more statist versus free man type thing.
00:57:14.000History not repeating but tending to rhyme and we look back at the history books and say, how could 20 million people have starved to death under the Maoist revolution.
00:57:22.000How could, however, 20 million people have died under Stalin?
00:57:27.000And then you see these idiots, I mean, out of the Netherlands, talking about culling meat to preserve the environment, culling cow to preserve the environment.
00:57:35.000You talk about in Canada, they were, I don't know if it's gotten anywhere yet, talking about taxing cow farts.
00:57:40.000I mean, this is the unit of measurement that they want to go into in terms of, we've got to do it for the well-being of the environment.
00:57:48.000And thus, realistically, possibly bring on our own mass starvation.
00:57:53.000It won't affect the elites like it did back in communist Russia and back in Mao's revolution, but it'll affect the massive amount of the population.
00:58:01.000It's like, oh, having seen politicians propose idiotic proposals like this in real time, with the advent of science and technology and the internet, they still propose idiotic ideas?
00:58:11.000I now have no trouble at all contextualizing how millions and millions of people died of starvation when the state took full control over things that they cannot do as well as the individuals.
00:58:20.000Right, because there was no means for opposition, there was no means for communication.
00:58:26.000Isn't it likely that the real dynamic that defines our time is a tendency towards the
00:58:36.000decentralization of power afforded to us by these communicative means and these technological
00:58:42.000methods but which I mean that it would be totally plausible to have real regional representative
00:58:51.000That power could be slowed down and localized.
00:58:56.000One of the biggest myths, and it's extraordinary to me how explicitly connected it is to our new centers of power, is the idea of progress.
00:59:05.000That science and technology will Provide us with salvation that there is going to be through innovation the creation of utopia.
00:59:17.000Masked within this is a kind of like a more arcane idea that instead of like looking to science to resolve all our problems, not that you would abandon those projects, but you would acknowledge that in certain cases science is a subset of certain commercial interests and establishment interests and that Really, now, we could be using the tools of communication to organise more locally, to have actual diversity, true diversity rather than superficial diversity, masking, ideological homogeneity.
01:00:34.000We know best, we want to track your money, we want to track your food, we want you to consume the food we want you to consume, and we're getting a pushback across the world.
01:00:42.000And 2024, how many elections are running up this year?
01:00:45.000And we're seeing like a populist global response to what this was, you know, this attempt to take over everyone's individual rights.
01:00:54.000In the states, you know, all things considered, they respect state rights a little bit more than, you know, provincial rights are respected under the federalist system in Canada.
01:01:04.000We are seeing a state pushback, a local level pushback, and I think maybe this is what most people mean when they say I'm an anarchist, which is just decentralizing power or creating the, not mini markets, but a local network of power.
01:01:25.000But everything that we've witnessed in the last little while is the government trying to consolidate power to maintain full and irrevocable control over the people.
01:01:33.000Consolidate digital currency, consolidate where the food comes from, have it controlled by four mass producers so that they can come up with some sort of social credit score, make sure you eat the right food, which is actually the wrong food, Not good for you.
01:01:50.000I mean, I don't want to get too optimistic because I've gotten very cynical, but we're seeing the movement now.
01:01:55.000But I think that's why this push for full control has gone into absolute hyper overdrive, and which is why the election and this 2024 is going to be the most politically consequential year of humanity.
01:02:07.000You know, I was talking to Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO of Rumble, that interview we are showing on Monday, and he's talking about monopolization and the various antitrust cases that Rumble have.
01:02:22.000Not only do we have the attempts to centralize The control and distribution of food and that's what's causing the sort of agricultural backlash and the farmers movement across the world is from territories as varied and vast as Sri Lanka, India, Germany and the UK.
01:02:36.000But we have the control of information through organizations like Alphabet, Google and Meta that are all too willing to comply with the state when it comes to censorship.
01:02:45.000We have the surveillance capacity of all of our communications network and their willingness to comply and collaborate and corroborate state edicts and objectives.
01:02:55.000And it's a pretty extraordinary time actually, isn't it?
01:03:01.000When you look at it, everywhere the kind of technology that could be used to create freedom and creativity and true diversity is continually being Charged in the direction of centralized control.
01:03:16.000And the only methods they seem to have, it seems, is crisis.
01:03:21.000Induce compliance through crisis, which amounts to fear, terrify people.
01:03:26.000And then to misuse the idea of compassion and care and protection.
01:03:31.000And I was thinking 30 years ago, 40 years ago, the left-right arguments were about If you don't have a powerful state, you won't be able to oppose corporate power.
01:03:42.000It is the function of the state to protect people, to ensure that financial and corporate elites don't dominate populations and nations.
01:03:50.000And now it seems that that process, that the left has been so thoroughly co-opted by corporate interests through, you know, in this country, America, through like donations and lobbying and elsewhere, through God knows what means, that The right that used to be the kind of sovereign dominion of what you might call free market capitalism is somehow a better bet when it comes to liberty because of their commitment to conservatism or individual freedom.
01:04:19.000I still have the same values that I had 20 or 30 years ago.
01:04:22.000I don't like authority, leave me alone, free speech.
01:04:25.000But somehow there's been this weird bait and switch.
01:04:29.000It's the joke that the liberals once upon a time used to be anti-big pharma, anti-big government, anti-war.
01:04:34.000The liberals today are trust Pfizer, shut up and let the government surveil you, and send more money to Ukraine.
01:04:39.000The right used to be sort of more pro-censorship.
01:04:42.000It was George Bush's wife who was complaining about the Simpsons, like rock music is going to cause people to hurt themselves.
01:04:49.000And now the right are the ones who are, you know, they're not by any means free speech absolutists, and there's a bit of a uni-party element to this, but certainly more on the right support free speech.
01:04:57.000Well, I mean, it's not really a switching of parties.
01:05:00.000I think it's more like just what happens over time.
01:05:02.000The party that's not in power will always support free speech and the party that attains power will always want to hold it back because that's what's going to be used to challenge their grip.
01:05:17.000The technology that we use to be free, they are certainly trying to use it to coerce submission and to manufacture consent.
01:05:24.000And then when you think just like, you have Twitter doing the censorship for the intelligence that's lying foreign on behalf of the government.
01:05:30.000I mean, that is, call it crony capitalism or call it just fascism in its purest form.
01:05:35.000That's what we're living through and that's what I think people are really starting to recognize.
01:06:16.000Listen, if you want to stay with me and Viva, we're going to talk about... I'd like to take your questions.
01:06:21.000So if someone come in here and move the local screen to a position where I can see it, then we can respond to your questions and comments.
01:06:29.000But we'll do that while on camera because we are competent, confident people.
01:06:35.000That can continue to communicate once... Ah, Isaac.
01:06:38.000Now, I've been wondering when we were going to see you on camera.
01:06:40.000So, listen, we'll be back tomorrow on Rumble, not with more to say, but more different.
01:06:44.000If you want to join us on Locals, we'll be freely available on Locals for the first five minutes, but then we will only be available to our supporters.
01:06:50.000In a minute, you will see us through an opaque screen.