Rudy Giuliani joins Russell Brand to discuss the implications of Donald Trump's recent election victory and what it's like to move through the various offices of public life, sometimes opposing mafia bosses, as an AG, being America's mayor during the 9/11 crisis and catastrophe, and now I feel like he's in a sense America's granddad. He's a sweet and adorable gentleman who has incredible insights when it comes to the peculiar permutations in American political life and the way that power migrates between parties. And I talked to him about his new book, The Biden Crime Family, which is out now, and I talked about the significance of independent media vs. legacy media, and the role of the deep state and legacy media in perpetuating the old order. And we talked about what it means to be a globalist in a post-9/11 world, and why we should all be worried about what s happening in the Middle East and the world at large, and what we should do about it. Russell Brand is an American comedian, actor, bestselling author, and bestselling author. He is the host of the podcast Stay Free with Russell Brand, and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, NPR, CBS Radio, and other media outlets. He is also a frequent contributor to The Huffington Post, The Daily Beast, The Weekly Standard, and many other publications, including Playboy, The New York Magazine, The Hollywood Reporter, and The Globe and Mail, among other publications. In this episode of Stay Free, Russell Brand sits down with Rudy Giuliani to discuss what it s like to be an American politician, a lawyer, a former prosecutor, a public figure, a writer, and a husband, a political consultant, a television host, a philanthropist, a husband and a publicist, and an avid reader, a man who happens to be also a good friend of many other things, and all of those things that make him good at it all. Stay Free: Stay Free With Russell Brand! - Stay Free! - Subscribe, Subscribe, Like, Share, Share and Retweet this episode on whatever you're listening to this podcast you're enjoying! in the comments section, and share it on your social media account! Subscribe to stay free, and subscribe to stay up to date with us in the next episode of the Stay Free Podcast? on Apple Podcasts and other social media platforms! on Insta: and
00:02:32.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:35.000It's Friday and what a special day it is because we're joined by Rudy Giuliani and we're going to be talking about the ramifications of Trump's recent election and what it's like to move through the various offices of public life, sometimes opposing mafia bosses as an AG, being America's...
00:02:50.000Sort of, well, mayor during the 9-11 crisis and catastrophe.
00:02:56.000And now I feel like he's in a sense America's granddad.
00:02:59.000He's a sweet and adorable gentleman who has incredible insights when it comes to the peculiar permutations in American political life and the way that power migrates between parties.
00:03:10.000About, like, the Republican Party during the Cheney and Bush years was certainly the party of war, the party of the new American century.
00:03:18.000How can we make claims objectively about the Democratic Party being corrupt without addressing the corruption of the Republican Party?
00:03:25.000And will Trump be able to govern the way he campaigned?
00:03:28.000What is the significance of independent media versus legacy media?
00:03:32.000And I talked to him about his book, The Biden Crime Family.
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00:04:41.000Well, it's nice to be with you, Russell.
00:04:43.000Last time we met was at the RNC. I was pretty excited to encounter you.
00:04:47.000And like, it's when you meet someone that you've known about for a long time, sometimes you get a carousel of flashes of all the times that person has permeated your consciousness because you've been a global figure since 9-11.
00:05:00.000At that point, as we discussed when we met previously, a much-vaulted and vaulted hero.
00:05:06.000Subsequent to that, under the era that I guess we're going to call like the advance of globalism under the auspices of liberalism.
00:05:15.000There's been times where you've been attacked and derided and I know what that's like because I've had it happen to me as well.
00:05:22.000Do you believe, as many people do, that this current and recent victory of Trump's is the advent of a new era?
00:05:32.000What concerns do you have that the kind of insidious and institutional powers that most people call globalism or the deep state or the blob or the swamp, so many euphemisms for it, do you think they'll be able to maintain power or are you optimistic and excited about this victory?
00:05:53.000I don't fool myself into thinking it's just self-executing.
00:05:57.000I see it as a very decisive first step.
00:06:02.000And therefore, we have to build on it by essentially having the results that we had the first time we had control of the government.
00:06:15.000And this can be harder now, because when Trump took over in 17, the country and the world was not in such catastrophic condition as it is today.
00:06:27.000I mean, just look at the condition of war and peace, right?
00:06:31.000So he had to settle the ISIS war that the incompetent Obama created, and he did quickly.
00:08:05.000Do we restore a proper balance between religion and government?
00:08:10.000Do we restore, oh my goodness, the criminal system?
00:08:15.000I mean, it was very, very completely contradictory that they were attacking him for wanting to take democracy away and wanting to prosecute his enemies when he never did that.
00:09:14.000If you wanted to check for me now, I no longer have a checking account.
00:09:20.000Because at the instance and direction of Hunter Biden's former law partner and a lawyer for the crooked...
00:09:30.000Ukrainian company Burisma, which I uncovered, they have tied up all of my assets with a completely phony case of $145 million to these women where there is a tape recording of their doing what I said they did, which has been doctored.
00:09:52.000But neither in my court proceeding with the Bar Association or in Washington, Have they let me put in a defense?
00:10:01.000So these women are getting $145 million, and you can see the younger one just putting the ballots in, one after another, one after another, one after another.
00:10:12.000I'm entitled to draw a conclusion based on that.
00:10:16.000And even if I was wrong, it's not $145 million.
00:10:21.000Meanwhile, the federal judge here, who is a lifetime Democrat activist, And a judge with serious conflicts of interest has tied up everything I own before the judgment's affirmed on appeal.
00:10:37.000Because they want to take my property away before I maybe win on appeal.
00:10:42.000And then when I try to get it back, first of all, it'll be worth a lot less.
00:10:46.000And then the things that really mean something to me, like the things that I got during and after 9-11 and during the Afghanistan war, And things that I have from the time that I prosecuted the mafia and former Nazis and my grandfather's watch.
00:11:34.000And this is the thing we have to straighten out in America.
00:11:37.000America realizes that we have seriously destroyed our system of justice under these crooked Democrats.
00:11:44.000Wow, Rudy Giuliani, even listening to your first answer of my opening question, it's impossible not to receive the flavors of a life spent in various aspects of public life.
00:11:59.000As Attorney General, Taking on the mafia as mayor of New York, comforting your city, country and to a degree the world as it became clear that we were embarking on the new epoch where power was shifting and altering.
00:12:17.000Not only the power that emerges when non-state terror, but terror.
00:12:23.000Ideological terror can enter and influence the international stage and international discourse.
00:12:31.000But also, that was the time when there was some appetite to curb and control the powers of the new search engines, in particular Google, that likely would have been managed and governed differently had it not been for 9-11.
00:12:48.000Of course, as a supporter of Trump, an advocate for Trump, and lawyer for Trump, you've entered in a different aspect of public life and power.
00:12:56.000And it's clear that you've been around power in lots of forms for a very long time.
00:13:01.000The first time we spoke, you talked to me about your I think it was your mother or grandmother and her significant influence in formulating your morality and your ethical systems.
00:13:12.000I sometimes feel, Rudy, if I may call you Rudy, that if you've been around the power that exists in the judiciary that has now been, even by your own account, perverted into lawfare, the lawfare that's been deployed against Trump, I know that I've experienced some extraordinary things where media interests,
00:13:33.000government interests, and judicial interests have aligned and cooperated in order to create what I heard Robert Malone call fifth generation warfare.
00:13:45.000Attacks that can emerge now from amorphous sources.
00:14:08.000Out of that system of damnation which loathes you.
00:14:10.000And join us in the sweet stream of freedom where I'll be talking to Rudy about the ongoing analogy of corruption that exists in American political life, i.e.
00:14:18.000Is the state just a mafia crime family?
00:14:21.000You're going to love this conversation.
00:14:37.000Let's get back to Rudy Giuliani without further delay.
00:14:39.000Rudy, you've confronted crime power before in the form of the Mafia when you were Attorney General.
00:14:46.000You've dealt with having significant power as mayor of New York during one of the most significant periods in New York's history.
00:14:53.000And now we're discussing how power has become this new utensil, this new weapon.
00:15:01.000And I suppose to, in a sense, reframe my first question.
00:15:05.000I'm asking whether or not the like you said, it needs to be executed.
00:15:11.000I wonder whether the election of Trump will be enough to ensure that even, say, something as personal as your case will be handled differently.
00:15:23.000those wheels within wheels, those kinds of institutions and machines, Unable to be controlled through government.
00:15:32.000And if they can't be controlled through government, if censorship's going to continue, if lawfare's going to continue, Trump is still facing the possibility of conviction, am I right?
00:15:45.000If those threats still exist, both for you as an individual, Trump as an individual, America as a nation, but beyond that...
00:15:54.000All loosely understood as new bureaucratic power that appears to be in the service of globalism, I wonder what kind of movements, what kind of alliances, what kind of conversations we need to be having to address that.
00:16:08.000For example, with your own cases, are you confident that you are going to succeed and win and get back your grandfather's watch?
00:16:16.000Or do you believe that those kind of heirlooms and perhaps the values that those heirlooms represent might be chewed up in the cogs of a rather less delicate machine, the machinery of globalism?
00:17:00.000If they succeed, let's just take the watch.
00:17:05.000And it represents a lot of other things.
00:17:08.000They can give me the value of the watch in money.
00:17:12.000They cannot give me back the watch that my grandfather had on the shores of Genoa over 100 years ago when he came to the United States for whom I am named and to whom he left it because I'm named for him.
00:17:31.000Those things, they are doing irreparable damage to.
00:17:36.000And the law would usually, if we were operating under the usual angle of American law, the law would not allow that because it would say it does irreparable harm.
00:18:24.000You can never give back to Steve Bannon the four months of his life that he took completely unjustifiably.
00:18:31.000You can't give back to the people that were in Roger Stone's house the shock and the trauma of having soldiers invade his house, FBI agents disguised as soldiers with machine guns and CNN being brought in to film this farce.
00:18:50.000You can't bring back what the Attorney General has done to a 71-year-old woman for merely protesting abortion.
00:19:04.000And you're not going to restore the couple of hundred people that they put in conditions worse than Guantanamo for January 6th, where, yes, there were some that deserved punishment.
00:19:16.000But none of them deserve that kind of punishment, and some of them didn't deserve punishment at all.
00:19:21.000And we still have an outstanding murder case that hasn't even been addressed, and that's Ashley Babbitt.
00:19:28.000I mean, she was killed under circumstances that I can tell you as a person who has prosecuted homicide cases and had that reviewed from day one, because I had that on day one by experienced homicide detectives.
00:19:41.000That's a first-degree homicide charge.
00:19:44.000This woman was a 5'2 woman who was unarmed.
00:19:49.000There were anywhere near a dozen to 16 police around who easily could have restrained her.
00:19:55.000And she was shot for no reason by a cop who can't possibly meet the defense of, I reasonably felt my life was in jeopardy.
00:20:06.000He had behind her, he had police officers dressed up as like SS with machine guns.
00:20:12.000There was no need for him to shoot her.
00:20:14.000He had people dressed up that way on his side.
00:20:18.000And then they hit him for four months.
00:20:41.000Because human life is so important to us.
00:20:43.000And we want to make sure that if we have a chance, if you consider murder, it's going to enter your mind that this is worse than anything else.
00:20:52.000Well, every single member of that January 6th committee couldn't give a damn that Ashley Babbitt was murdered.
00:21:01.000They actually faked and exaggerated murders that didn't take place.
00:21:06.000The police officer they gave a state funeral to died of natural causes.
00:22:25.000Under the banner of the Republican Party, 200,000 to 300,000 white men died to save black men.
00:22:31.000On the other side, they were trying to enslave black men.
00:22:34.000And they keep the name Democrat Party.
00:22:37.000And they try to paint us as racist because, number one, they've got a history of racism.
00:22:42.000And number two, they're practicing Marxist, the new version of Marxist racism, which was outlined in the 40s by an Italian communist named Gramsci, in which you use race for wealth or poverty.
00:22:59.000And you divide a long race because they figured out we are easily susceptible to that.
00:23:05.000And we had it almost solved until Obama came along.
00:23:09.000And Obama started the racial division of America.
00:23:14.000And what do Democrats do every chance they get?
00:23:24.000One is, it appears that what we're talking about is that...
00:23:28.000There appear now to be no institutions or political parties that can lay claim to the necessary objectivity in order to govern.
00:23:40.000In order to run a judiciary, the population needs to believe that the judiciary are Just that they are acting in accordance with principles that are somehow universal, even transcendent, that go beyond the interests of any individual or group, that we can rely on genuine justice.
00:24:01.000Now, say a minute ago you said up until the point of Obama, America was on the right track, but I don't know much about politics or history or really anything, but I do know that immediately prior to Obama was George W. Bush, and I do know that the Bush era was defined by the Iraq wars, and I do know that the Iraq wars should be regarded as illegal.
00:24:22.000And one of the great disgraces of the contemporary Democratic Party and their campaign was their willingness to kowtow to and align with Dick Cheney, who's probably someone you know in that, and I'm not judging him as a human being.
00:24:37.000It seems to loosely represent the idea of republicanism in the Gulf War eras as being at the service of entities like Halliburton.
00:24:48.000And what it seems like to an outsider is that there were corporate, globalist and economic interests as laid out in the New American Century project that, as obviously you're aware, sort of set out an agenda to go to war with a variety of countries.
00:25:03.000Many of those wars have happened, except the Iran one.
00:25:06.000Fingers crossed that that one doesn't unfold any day now.
00:25:11.000And what I would say is that this loss of faith in the institutions of America ultimately leads to a loss of faith in America.
00:25:19.000Now like most nations, America had to build itself With the idea that somehow America's destiny was connected to the determinations of a God and a God principle.
00:25:31.000One nation, under God, the right to pursue...
00:25:35.000These constitutional claims and their claims in the Bill of Rights...
00:25:40.000Start to fall apart if you don't believe in God, if you don't believe in justice, if you don't believe in many of the categories that have been dismantled up to now.
00:25:48.000And I agree that the problem with centrist, globalist, cultural Marxist, leftist entities that have taken power around the world in my country under new Labour and now Labour under Keir Starmer, that appear to be in control of France under Macron, Canada under Trudeau that appear to be in control of France under Macron, Canada under Trudeau and under the Biden crime family about who you've written and about whom I'd like to talk
00:26:13.000It appears that by replacing God, the state can lay claim to the powers that human beings have always attributed to God.
00:26:21.000But Rudy, don't we have to, in all honesty, acknowledge that hypocrisy and corruption is not a phenomena that lies on one side of the political aisle, that you and I are hypocritical, that you and I have done things that are corrupt, that we are capable, we are fallen,
00:26:39.000In fact, indeed, the reason I'm mentioning this now is because when your justice system is built on the idea of a God and therefore principles that are irrefutable, then what's also built into that in my tradition as a Christian is the idea that we are fallen.
00:27:16.000Probably they'd include you in that, in that sort of cast of characters.
00:27:19.000I am definitely included in that, yes.
00:27:22.000So then what's our responsibility when it comes to, you know, rebuilding these institutions, whether that's the judiciary or America itself, to acknowledge our own failings and our own failures so that what gets built out of any Trump movement isn't just their version of a corrupt and hypocritical system?
00:27:44.000So my conclusion at the end of the 1980s, when I finished being the third-ranking official in the Justice Department and had prosecuted probably more cases successfully than anyone else in the 20th century, was that neither political party had a monopoly on virtue or vice.
00:28:03.000That both had levels of corruption, that they were easily influenced by lobbyists and pressure groups, I brought a case to take the Teamsters away from organized crime and to separate them from Las Vegas.
00:28:20.000And when I brought it in 1988, every presidential candidate, Republican and Democrat, condemned me.
00:28:28.000And they wanted Ronald Reagan to fire me.
00:28:56.000I mean, the next chapter in the book that revealed Biden is the $5 million that the McConnells got from her father, Who is one of the richest men in red China.
00:29:29.000From that day on, McConnell never attacked China.
00:29:32.000Not terribly different than the $21 million they gave Biden, except McConnell is a Republican and Biden's a Democrat.
00:29:40.000That probably accounts for the fact that McConnell put tremendous pressure on the senators who wanted to reveal the 50 years of Biden corruption.
00:29:51.000Because he knows if that gets revealed, the next chapter in the book is him.
00:29:55.000So I'm not telling you the Republicans are any better than the Democrats.
00:29:59.000It just happens to be The moment we are in history, it's the Democratic Party that has the monopoly on corruption right now.
00:30:11.000Democrats and Republicans, including through Clinton, pretty much left the court system alone.
00:30:18.000I don't think under Trump you can find unfair use of the judiciary.
00:30:24.000He did not prosecute Hillary, who could have easily been prosecuted, or Comey for lying on a Pfizer document.
00:30:33.000I happen to be one of the people that established Pfizer.
00:30:36.000Lying on a Pfizer document puts in jeopardy many of the reforms that came after 9-11 that allowed extraordinary power because we want to protect our national security.
00:30:48.000Not that we want to go after a presidential candidate.
00:30:52.000It exists because Of the threat of Russia.
00:30:55.000It exists because of the threat of Islamic terrorism.
00:30:58.000It has to be dealt with very, very carefully and judiciously.
00:31:02.000When I sign an affidavit to get a search warrant, it's going to get reviewed.
00:31:09.000When I sign an affidavit to do a national security surveillance and put bugs on you and put cameras in your room, nobody ever gets to review it.
00:33:09.000I believe in history that will make the Biden administration The one that trashed the Constitution the most of any administration in American history.
00:33:22.000You know, Rudy, the metaphor of the United States of America as a criminal organization is a metaphor that's been explored in films like The Godfather.
00:33:34.000The idea, really, that what you're dealing with is just sets of gang interests As a person that has deep experience of prosecuting the mafia, has experience as a public official, as a mayor, and as a legislator, and as someone who's just written a book called The Biden Crime Family, how accurate and realistic Is that?
00:33:57.000Is there something about the relatively, you know, you said we've been around a long time, but America, you know, for an Englishman, is a very young country.
00:34:04.000So, like, so you sort of look at, like, how various institutions emerged, and you can see the various gangs kind of appeared at the same time, and one gang goes the bureaucratic and governmental route, another gang goes the more sort of Direct violence route.
00:34:22.000So do you think that's something almost in the molecular structure of America?
00:34:27.000You know, like, because I know that people on the other side say that Trump's like a gangster.
00:34:37.000But your assessment of the Biden family as criminal is, you're saying, is based on, you know, demonstrable evidence of taking bribes, the relationship with Burisma and all that.
00:35:14.000And the idea that it didn't go to him is completely belied by the fact that his son...
00:35:19.000On an email in December of 2018 says that over 30 years, I've given half my income to Pop.
00:35:29.000And plus, there's plenty of evidence that Hunter was paying for things as a way of laundering the millions and millions he took from our worst enemy.
00:35:39.000Now, shortly after becoming president, Biden gave up an airbase 400 miles from China.
00:36:07.000They're a bunch of, you know, we talk about the Nazi prison guards, right?
00:36:13.000If I were a general on his staff and you gave away a base 400 miles from China, Next thing I do is hold a press conference and accuse them of treason or insanity, one or the other.
00:36:25.000I mean, we can't get an airbase now within a thousand miles of China.
00:36:32.000And in the kind of wars that we're going to fight with missiles and missile defense, proximity is golden.
00:36:42.000That goes back to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
00:36:45.000Why did Kennedy want to keep Khrushchev out of Cuba?
00:36:47.000Because he beat 90 miles from the United States?
00:36:51.000We gave it up with $85 billion worth of arms in it that the Taliban took.
00:36:57.000Oh, let me also point out that that same base, Bagram, which was the most modern base in Asia, was 400 miles from Iran and 500 miles from Russia.
00:37:08.000You couldn't have a more strategic base.
00:37:11.000Now, I'm supposed to ignore the fact that he gave that up, and in the prior five years, his family got $31 million from China.
00:37:23.000The only dispute we have is they say it didn't go to him.
00:37:28.000But imagine if Dwight Eisenhower or John F. Kennedy or Ronald Reagan had gotten $21 million from the Soviet Union.
00:37:37.000If their family had gotten $21 million from the Soviet Union, they would have been executed.
00:37:43.000They would have been executed if that happened.
00:37:46.000And what has happened to us is, and I think the biggest thing to change is going to be the media.
00:38:54.000I can't think of a complaint of a court decision in the criminal law Where someone felt that Trump intervened to have a political person harmed.
00:40:03.000Israel has its problems, Israel has its issues, but Israel is going to try very hard not to kill civilians because they know it hurts them to do it, among other things.
00:40:12.000Hamas is going to use civilians in order to effectuate their insane goal of wanting to eliminate the Jewish people.
00:40:52.000Certainly there are signs that what's happening is more significant than the ordinary vicissitudes of national politics because we are in a globalist era.
00:41:03.000That doesn't mean that we should all yield to a new world order.
00:41:07.000In fact, across the world, it's pretty plain that people are rejecting that idea.
00:41:12.000There are protest movements across the world that are usually being condemned using legacy media as either racist or bigoted or unnecessary or out of touch.
00:41:21.000But these protest movements are forming around agriculture in India and across Europe and in your country.
00:41:28.000They're forming around free speech in Ireland, across Europe and in my country and obviously in yours and in Canada.
00:41:36.000So globalism and the sets of bureaucracies that form around what appears to be a centralised authoritarian agenda is the defining issue of our day.
00:41:48.000And it was, in fact, Steve Bannon that said some time ago that you will see a resurgent populism.
00:41:54.000And Trump is, I guess, the main avatar of that populism.
00:41:58.000But he was also deliberate to say was Bannon himself.
00:42:03.000He said that you could have different iterations of populism.
00:42:07.000It needn't be right-wing, patriotic, nativist.
00:42:13.000What I feel might be shifting is bigger even than the phenomena of American politics and Donald Trump.
00:42:20.000There's been ongoing talk about whether or not the American empire is under threat.
00:42:25.000And immediately before the election...
00:42:27.000The stories that seemed to me to be most significant were seeing those BRIC summits taking place and meetings between Brazil and China and Russia and the threat to drop the petrodollar and the fact that Korea had troops in Russia.
00:42:41.000I was thinking, wow, we're moving towards It seems more like the first world war than the second, but it looks like we're on the edge of global conflict.
00:42:51.000And I suppose that movements of that scale are, one way or another, led by technology and matters of dominion.
00:43:00.000And we're living in this new information age where the former bureaucracies and elites, I don't think, are able to handle the power that they have and the power that's emerging.
00:43:11.000And I think in your diagnosis of the Democrats and the fluctuation between malign interests running the Republican Party and malign interests running the Democratic Party and the potential for that vacillate is important because it seemed like, you know, even though George W. Bush had two terms in the midst you know, even though George W. Bush had two terms in the midst of this, that from Clinton through Obama right up to now, it seemed like we were in the era where globalism and global power was able to use the Democratic Party
00:43:42.000And that Trump 2016 was an athema and anomaly.
00:43:46.000And now, though, I think that because of the way the independent media is emerging, because of the connotations of independent media when it comes to running various institutions of government, i.e., there could be full accountability, there could be more transparency, there's likely to be a greater demand for transparency.
00:44:06.000I thought it was really fascinating, Rudy, that...
00:44:09.000Elon Musk and Vivek Guramaswamy in their new Department of Government Efficiency are apparently declaring that everything, all of their measures and suggestions, will be openly sourced and publicly available.
00:44:24.000And this, I think, is potentially the direction government could go in.
00:44:30.000We could start seeing maximal electoral power rather than minimal.
00:44:35.000Trump's talking about with the hot topic, hot button issue of abortion, giving it to the states that there will be no federal ban or federal edicts, but states will have more power.
00:44:45.000And I wonder if this new technology, Rudy, is so significant in the way that we communicate and the collapse of, you know, CNN appears to be collapsing, MSNBC appears to be collapsing because of the emergence of this ability to communicate.
00:44:59.000I wonder if you believe, like I do, that we'll start seeing the institutions of power themselves being impacted and affected by technology.
00:45:52.000Go on the independent shows that existed then.
00:45:54.000Even Fox was Partially censoring us, and then completely.
00:46:01.000And on the day of the election, we were kind of happy to see that 50% of the American people were aware of the hard drive, even though it had never been on ABC, CBS, CNN. This election, the saturation of the Trump message was about 85%.
00:46:20.000If we had the media then That we had now.
00:46:29.000We would have gotten the hard drive out in 2020.
00:46:32.000It would have gotten to 85% of the American people and we never would have had the issue of was the election stolen, wasn't it stolen?
00:46:38.000Because that hard drive, the minute you look at it, you realize he's, whoever you want to describe it or the dimensions of it, he's a very big crook.
00:46:47.000I mean, it would prove immediately that he's lying about not knowing about his son's business.
00:46:54.000There's even his own voice In a message that he left, it was on describing his son's Chinese business.
00:48:11.000And the Democratic National Committee told the Arizona Attorney General, because it's a carbon copy of the case in Georgia, Everybody else is in there.
00:49:20.000And what I think it indicates, what might flow out of it, is that This space won't only be about the communication of a message, it will be about the establishment of power.
00:49:33.000That's my prediction, Rudy, that people say we want to run this community according to these principles.
00:49:40.000I feel that it could move from advocating the message of political groups to becoming political groups.
00:49:47.000In a way, that's already been foreshadowed by Syriza in Greece, which happened to be left-wing.
00:49:52.000Podemos in Spain happened to be left-wing.
00:49:55.000And I would say some of the right-wing movements across Europe right now is you'll start to see, I think, political figures emerging from this media.
00:50:05.000Trump, I think, is by far and away an unprecedented outlier.
00:50:10.000But I think you'll get political figures in the UK and across Europe That can essentially govern online, communicate online, bypass, expose legacy media, expose corrupt judiciary.
00:52:35.000How about being convicted by a unanimous jury?
00:52:39.000I like to point out that Donald Trump is the first guy since before the Magna Carta that was convicted either in England or America of a crime without a unanimous verdict.
00:52:50.000I mean, Yeoman in 14th century England had unanimous verdicts.
00:52:55.000But he was convicted in that case without a unanimous verdict.
00:53:32.000It's brilliant to see how what they call democracy was no longer the will of the people, but a set of institutions that they considered to be their fiefdom and their principality to utilize however they saw fit. but a set of institutions that they considered to be And like you, Rudy, I'm generally optimistic that the will of the people is towards freedom.
00:53:56.000People believe in freedom and will do their best to identify and recognize which characters or totems or leaders that appear temporarily on the public stage, like all of us must, one day as an attorney general or a public prosecutor, one day as the mayor of New York, next as an advocate for a powerful populist leader, It's amazing to talk to you always, Rudy, because you've been inside of so many lives.
00:54:25.000I think the analysis is enormously important because I think in order to straighten it out, we have to understand it.
00:54:33.000And the only way we can understand it is by analyzing it, talking about it, reading about it, asking about it.
00:54:39.000I mean, you have to understand what's happening to you to fix it.
00:54:51.000And we're lucky that this election went the right way.
00:54:53.000I mean, up until the moment that I saw the first returns come in, people would ask me, if you had talked to me the day before the election, I would have told you, under all usual circumstances, all objective circumstances, he's going to win, and he's going to have a landslide, or as much of a landslide as you can have in a divided country.
00:55:17.000He'll take everything he can possibly take.
00:55:54.000Thank you so much for joining us, Rudy Giuliani.
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