Stay Free - Russel Brand - Is America Ready for a True Revival? - SF638

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon Russell Russell conspiracy theories.

00:00:12.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:21.000 It's clear the world is changing fast.

00:00:23.000 You feel it, I feel it.

00:00:24.000 People who knew nothing about Charlie Kirk are asking you, what was Charlie Kirk?

00:00:27.000 What was Charlie Kirk all about?

00:00:29.000 People in South Korea and North Korea, all of the different careers.

00:00:32.000 Is it really even a country?

00:00:33.000 Are asking who was Charlie Kirk?

00:00:35.000 And in some cases, claiming I too am Charlie Kirk.

00:00:38.000 So today we're talking about the repercussions of his murder and how it relates to other cultural matters, notably and specifically the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel.

00:00:47.000 They're inextricably linked.

00:00:48.000 Jimmy Kimmel show got cancelled because of that.

00:00:50.000 And whilst Charlie Kirk's murder, you could just say, you know, quite succinctly, that's a tragic murder of a person killed because of their views.

00:00:57.000 And why you could say that the Jimmy Kimmel cancellation is simply the cancellation of a television show that was likely to get cancelled soon because late night don't have the audience anymore, and people are marketing in different ways and the culture's collapsing and imploding.

00:01:09.000 There's a significant conversation to be had that hasn't been had yet, and that's the conversation around revival.

00:01:14.000 What is revival?

00:01:15.000 What does it mean for a rational modern person to accept the living Jesus Christ as a reality?

00:01:22.000 As if we're people in Nazareth, thousands of years ago.

00:01:26.000 As if we predate the internet, modern communications, even the printing press, that we somehow require the Christ of millennia ago, the eternal Christ, the spirit that moved across the water.

00:01:41.000 Peculiarly our culture of endless operations within now and constant conflict has led us to a through and via the precipice of bewilderment to the edge of eternity and perhaps to a kind of eternal awakening.

00:01:55.000 We're going to be looking at the last great revival in your country that was the prominent figure that most people identify with that is Billy Graham.

00:02:02.000 We're going to be looking at some of Billy Graham's interviews and footage, and we'll be talking about how this peculiar set of events might lead, curiously, and with the mysterious power that only the Lord could ever wield to a revival.

00:02:19.000 I'm joined by the producer of the show, my mate Jake.

00:02:21.000 Hey.

00:02:22.000 Alright.

00:02:22.000 And Dave.

00:02:24.000 What's up?

00:02:25.000 And over there in America in the United Kingdom, unable to speak or even smoke, because the United Kingdom has become a kind of penitentiary, is Joe McCann, one of the best young reporters in the game.

00:02:36.000 How's it going, Joe?

00:02:38.000 Good evening.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, it's going all right, mate.

00:02:40.000 Other than uh, you know, famous double-edged sword, isn't it?

00:02:44.000 Like I say.

00:02:45.000 Been recognized, mate, for my good works.

00:02:47.000 Not all good.

00:02:47.000 Have you?

00:02:48.000 The landlord.

00:02:49.000 So the landlord, what tell me what the what are the consequences?

00:02:52.000 Because I notice you've not got a cigar.

00:02:53.000 You're drinking some sort of hibiscus and frankly a feat looking tea.

00:02:59.000 Yeah, I'm on the hibiscus tea tonight.

00:03:01.000 No cigar.

00:03:02.000 Why?

00:03:02.000 Verbal warning.

00:03:03.000 Written warning.

00:03:04.000 A written warning to come in the posts.

00:03:06.000 You've got a real warning.

00:03:07.000 What does it say?

00:03:09.000 But why do you get real what you got a written warning from your landlord about what?

00:03:13.000 No cigars indoors.

00:03:15.000 It's fair.

00:03:16.000 That's fair.

00:03:17.000 I think that's a police state.

00:03:18.000 You're an American.

00:03:18.000 You should be accepting that.

00:03:20.000 I think you should be able to, you know, smoke a little cigar.

00:03:22.000 That feels a little classy, right?

00:03:24.000 I'm saying so.

00:03:26.000 There are uh police going now to uh in the UK, just arresting people for a post online.

00:03:32.000 I've seen a few things.

00:03:33.000 Man, we covered yesterday.

00:03:35.000 Did you see it?

00:03:36.000 It was a very, very beautiful clip of In Thames Valley, mate, which is right up your neck of the woods.

00:03:41.000 Thames Valley Police went round, not even to arrest a woman, but to really give her the opportunity to apologize for stuff she'd posted in the last couple of weeks.

00:03:52.000 I couldn't even tell what she'd done wrong.

00:03:53.000 But the police officer, mate, he's so funny.

00:03:55.000 He's like, now listen, I wanted to offer you the chance to apologize.

00:03:59.000 Like he's he's like, he looks nervous of the woman's cat.

00:04:03.000 She's apparently sat there bald as a coop from chemotherapy, getting haranged by Temmes Valley Police.

00:04:08.000 They're not even intimidating police officers.

00:04:10.000 He's like really he's probably a really sweet and lovely person.

00:04:14.000 I'm not trying to criticize him.

00:04:15.000 But I'm not surprised you're banned from smoking because everything's getting banned in the UK now.

00:04:20.000 We've got two tracks going on.

00:04:21.000 We've got the track of the United States of America and its resurgent nationalism, where will that lead?

00:04:26.000 And the United Kingdom still in the frawl of neo-liberal Bureaucracy, where's that gonna lead?

00:04:32.000 Which one's more tyrannical?

00:04:33.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

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00:04:36.000 Thanks, Tim Paul for the raid.

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00:04:45.000 As we have, in my view, the only conversation worth having.

00:04:48.000 Is there going to be a revival?

00:04:50.000 Are you going to participate in it?

00:04:52.000 If not, why not?

00:04:54.000 Let's get into it.

00:04:56.000 Now, Jake, you've put this show together.

00:04:58.000 What is it that you thought, what why do you think that revival is the conversation we should be having today?

00:05:05.000 I think everybody's always trying to ask uh when is the next revival?

00:05:09.000 And then if they're uh experiencing some of these moments, they're saying, is this revival?

00:05:15.000 Um there are also there's a lot of people that go around saying that's not revival.

00:05:20.000 There's like revival police.

00:05:21.000 Ah.

00:05:22.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 Not just in the U.S. Like in England.

00:05:24.000 Just yeah, revival police.

00:05:25.000 They're like, that's not authentic.

00:05:27.000 This isn't that.

00:05:28.000 That's not so that. 0.99

00:05:30.000 If you try and do a revival in the UK, the police might come around your ass and ask you to apologise. 0.79

00:05:35.000 Would you like to apologize for trying to revive? 0.99

00:05:37.000 Yeah, before this gets gone, we need to shut you down. 0.65

00:05:40.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 Because we know, even just hearing you say that, we've not had that in our co like they're in our country, they talk about like the Welsh revival, and like I understand there have been different points like that.

00:05:50.000 John Wesley and them, like the Methodists, they like some I've heard people that know a lot more about Christianity and the way that it has moved in the centuries since its inception, or at least since uh death and resurrection of our Lord, saying I've heard them say, Oh, there've been times in the past where Christianity's nearly died out.

00:06:08.000 And isn't it weird if you think of like when I was like in my 20s and 30s, people, I mean, you lot from they're from a different background, Joe, this lot over here.

00:06:16.000 No one was talking about Christ than Christianity. 0.56

00:06:18.000 Now you look at that massive, extraordinary Charlie Kirk memorial, and JD Varnes is saying more people are talking about Jesus to me than ever before.

00:06:25.000 Tucker's up there talking about Jesus, everyone's talking about Jesus, so something's going on, and I've felt like something was going on for a while.

00:06:31.000 And dear Joe's one of the beloved Baptists, Joe and Bear Grills are the two men that baptize me, as a matter of fact.

00:06:39.000 So, like we got a different reference.

00:06:40.000 We don't like you lot had revivals in the 60s and stuff like that, haven't you?

00:06:44.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 I mean, I even look at when we're Billy Graham's kind of been around everywhere.

00:06:49.000 I mean, he was in the UK, friends with the Queen, all kind of stuff.

00:06:53.000 So that's an interesting correlation between a person like that back in the day, and he was involved in culture, meeting with presidents, meeting with the Queen, and now we're sort of seeing like a new wave of connection between politics and Christianity.

00:07:10.000 And then intertwining all that are all these real stories of actual life change happening.

00:07:15.000 Your story, Joe's story.

00:07:18.000 You guys just met some people and did some baptizing.

00:07:21.000 Oh, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.

00:07:22.000 I've been baptizing people even over the weekend.

00:07:25.000 I like giving people a good baptizing when the weather's right, when the weather's fine, when it seems like the right thing to do.

00:07:30.000 What I know is that people will be saying that the real fit fret is theocracy, that people say that Margaret Atwood's handmaid's tale, and that's actually a pretty sacrilegious reference to the holy mother there, actually, in it, even in the title.

00:07:44.000 So that people will use resurgent Christianity to create autocratic and centrally controlled tyrannies. 0.99

00:07:50.000 Whereas my personal fear has been these last 10, 20, 30 years or so, that the culture, the state, uh, via its propaganda machines within the culture, has been operating as a kind of dark counterfeit god for a long, long time.

00:08:03.000 That's where the murder of Charlie Kirk and the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel collide to help us tell the story of this most modern revival.

00:08:11.000 Let's have a look at uh Pastor Mark Driscoll describing what a revival is for those of you that might be uncertain.

00:08:17.000 The reason I'm interested in a revival is because left and right are perhaps at the end of the line.

00:08:23.000 The ideas of the last century are broken, the new technologies demand a new model.

00:08:28.000 Wouldn't it be extraordinary if it was something arcane?

00:08:30.000 Once Brett Weinstein said to me that the resurgent Christianity is a culture's attempt to reboot the last thing that worked. 0.82

00:08:36.000 But I would say eternity is reaching continually through time through the cross.

00:08:41.000 Let's have a look at what Mark Driscoll's saying.

00:08:42.000 Revival is a surprising touch of the Holy Spirit that accelerates kingdom ministry.

00:08:49.000 The Holy Spirit shows up in a unique and powerful way.

00:08:53.000 We see this throughout the Bible, where the Holy Spirit falls on a group of people and just ignites them with a sense of passionate urgency for the things of God.

00:09:02.000 What our nation needs is a revival.

00:09:06.000 Now let me say this.

00:09:07.000 I'll say some controversial things.

00:09:08.000 Uh this is the beginning.

00:09:11.000 Um I am for elections, but I'm telling you this.

00:09:14.000 If everyone is just hoping in elections, your hope is eventually going to disappoint you.

00:09:20.000 That at the end of the day, what we need is not just an election to go our way, but revival to come our way.

00:09:26.000 We need people to meet Jesus.

00:09:28.000 We need them to have a new nature.

00:09:29.000 We need them to be born again and excited about the things of God.

00:09:34.000 I'm all for elections.

00:09:35.000 I'm all for cultural change.

00:09:37.000 I'm all for fighting the good fight.

00:09:39.000 But at the end of the day, until people are filled with the spirit and have a love for God, things won't change until God changes the people.

00:09:46.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:48.000 And what we have seen in our nation's history is occasions of God's presence falling in a way that produces revival.

00:09:55.000 I'll give you a couple as an example.

00:09:58.000 And I am praying for revival.

00:10:00.000 I'll just be honest with you.

00:10:01.000 I'd encourage you, pray for revival.

00:10:03.000 If you look at everything, you're like, the world really looks dark and the future looks bleak.

00:10:08.000 Yes, unless God shows up as the X factor, and then things could be quite different.

00:10:13.000 We saw this in the days of Jonathan Edwards.

00:10:15.000 He began preaching at the age of 19.

00:10:18.000 He is, in my estimation, America's greatest Bible teacher and theologian.

00:10:22.000 The Great Awakening came to his church in 1734 in Northampton, Massachusetts.

00:10:28.000 Young people who had drifted away from the church, gone apostate, lukewarm, didn't care.

00:10:33.000 They heard his sermons and they were curious.

00:10:35.000 So they wanted to meet with him and ask him questions.

00:10:38.000 And Pastor Edwards did in fact meet with them, and there began this revival called the Great Awakening.

00:10:45.000 One of his most famous sermons was Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

00:10:50.000 And today we've reversed it.

00:10:51.000 It's God in the hands of angry sinners.

00:10:54.000 Rather than uh What are you saying so far, David?

00:10:57.000 This are you familiar with this pastor in this kind of discourse?

00:11:00.000 Well, Jonathan Edwards' famous sermon.

00:11:03.000 Yeah.

00:11:05.000 Have you read it?

00:11:06.000 It's incredible.

00:11:08.000 Sinners in the hands of an angry God.

00:11:11.000 I was listening to Father Mike Schmidt's the other day, I think it was, and he said that you know it's God that's in the dark, it's us that's putting God on trial continually.

00:11:20.000 The culture is asking, is God good?

00:11:22.000 What kind of God would do this?

00:11:24.000 What kind of God would approve this?

00:11:25.000 And as people sort of more and more move towards worshiping their own identity, you can see how it's becoming extreme or at least more novel.

00:11:34.000 But worship of the self and worship of the individuals be is the culture's main device, I argue, for converting people out of God consciousness.

00:11:44.000 And like I've said before in this show, like I realize that the role that I've played in that is a particular one.

00:11:50.000 Like you get cast into the culture that I don't mean it's so nefarious as to you know require sort of shadowy participation of organized elite groups.

00:12:02.000 Like I recognize that my own fame, celebrity, and success, which at the time felt like the result of my own excellence and my own endeavor, was simply that I was able to be utilized in the culture as a representative of certain set of values, like, oh look, he's a sort of somewhat sanitized bad boy advocating for selfishness and promiscuity and godlessness in a in a peculiar way.

00:12:25.000 But do you know it's been mad since I become Christian?

00:12:27.000 How many people have said, I was praying for you, I knew you'd find Jesus.

00:12:29.000 I've been praying for you for a long time.

00:12:30.000 People are always saying it to me.

00:12:32.000 Always saying that.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:34.000 Everywhere.

00:12:35.000 Yeah.

00:12:36.000 It worked in the end.

00:12:37.000 You were like, Well, are you that bad?

00:12:38.000 How about doing well?

00:12:40.000 That people are praying.

00:12:41.000 I think it's interesting in a clip like this where he's talking about how revival starts with the younger generation, what younger people, ultimately, that's where the fire what's which the same thing was true when you were in the culture.

00:12:53.000 You were appealing to a younger crowd, everyone watching MTV.

00:12:57.000 So there's this always a battle between the cult and the people who can make an impact over the longest period of time.

00:13:03.000 So what's awesome about Turning Point and everything that Charlie Kirk was doing and what they are building.

00:13:08.000 I mean, we saw it 5,000 students when we went to Tampa for that event.

00:13:14.000 Fired up, excited, talking about the things of God.

00:13:17.000 It's kind of an interesting dynamic.

00:13:20.000 But what I felt to the point of um is it of Mark Driscoll here is that turning point was and presumably will remain, Explicitly and overtly a Republican organization, and Mark Driscoll here is saying that it don't matter who's not saying it doesn't matter who win elections because these are the arguments people on the left make.

00:13:41.000 Like when I select when I said oh there's no point voting for anyone because you get the same type of government anyway.

00:13:46.000 I remember people saying stuff like, Yeah, but the Labour government are gonna introduce this welfare bill for disabled people, and are you gonna tell to my brother who's disabled that it don't matter that he's gonna get this thing?

00:13:56.000 And people that are Republican might say, Well, you know, like we've taken a real stance on pro-life, and are you saying that that don't matter because that's the most important thing, and you know, even is that child sacrifice versus you know, like people will happily not happily but willingly remain within the confines of the existing argument.

00:14:15.000 And what's happened to me late happened to me really Charlie Kirk's death makes it more vivid, but it was happening with some peculiar poetry anyway, because that morning when we were doing the show, I felt like, and I hope it's not sort of wrong to tell you this explicitly.

00:14:32.000 This we can't just keep talking like this.

00:14:34.000 We can't just keep talking about cracker barrel logo, and we can't keep talking argument, even about something that's massive and significant Israel-Palestine.

00:14:42.000 Can't just keep being in a washing machine of these opinions the whole time.

00:14:47.000 It's pointless.

00:14:48.000 And I've started to feel that we need to participate in this directly and explicitly.

00:14:55.000 I don't want to talk about anything other than the salvation of souls and a real and present Jesus Christ, and to talk about it in a way that's not hokey, where I'm not governed by my own fear around money and finances and reputation and power, and where we're not shilling and it's not exploitative, you know.

00:15:14.000 And I know that an all-powerful God is going to direct us and use us and is going to do what he wants.

00:15:18.000 And but like I'm trying away, I'm working in what is clearly a liminal space.

00:15:23.000 Our situation is changing, it's changing really quickly.

00:15:27.000 And I know that the you know, for the that that how like me to make it sort of selfish, but as well, that's my way of that's where I can measure it.

00:15:35.000 I can measure it where it's hitting me.

00:15:37.000 I can see it then.

00:15:38.000 And that's where I guess ultimately revival starts is with the individual, the actual change, the the realization that I don't want to just keep playing these games anymore, I don't want to keep going back to the systems that I thought were my hope.

00:15:52.000 I want to go to the source, I want to go to God, I want to genuinely be changed.

00:15:57.000 In the end, faith's gonna be obedience.

00:15:59.000 That's what I keep.

00:16:00.000 I keep coming to things that are quite hard.

00:16:01.000 Like in the end, faith will be obedience.

00:16:03.000 That if you are truly faithful, you'll be obedient, you'll do what you're told.

00:16:07.000 But because my whole life has been defined by a kind of disobedience, because I don't trust authority, I don't trust that like that comes natural to me. 0.96

00:16:15.000 It comes natural to me to go, you liars.

00:16:18.000 Like, I really feel that about like the media, and like that's in a way what I like most about Trump is this person that's willing and able to have these confrontations.

00:16:29.000 But what is being revealed, and what Mark Driscoll's already pointed out is that a revival contained within political systems will be limited.

00:16:37.000 You're not gonna get a real revival or real revolution, you're just gonna get manoeuvring of one kind or another.

00:16:42.000 What's fascinating about this memorial of Charlie Kirk's is how overtly and explicitly Christian it is, and how of course his explicit Christianity is now at the absolute forefront.

00:16:52.000 But that don't mean that people ain't gonna try and exploit it and make it about what we used to call the Christian right, the thing that Margaret Atwood is talking about in the Handmaid's Tale, is oh, they're gonna say it's about Christianity and Jesus, but what they're gonna do is they're gonna use that to legitimate control, and that ain't nothing new. 0.67

00:17:08.000 People never more gleefully murder one another than when they believe they're doing it on behalf of their holy father, whether that's modern day Israel or the British and Americans when invading Iraq, you know, but like people get proper up for militant action when they say we're not doing this because of some subjective resort resource argument, we're doing this because it's God's will.

00:17:31.000 That's when people get crazy, no watch for that.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, I think I mean that's gonna happen.

00:17:40.000 The only thing you can put your trust in that is truly solid is God.

00:17:45.000 Yep.

00:17:46.000 You know, if if you are putting your trust in Republican, Democrat, whatever, any any sort of people group.

00:17:54.000 They are gonna fail you.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 Always.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, they are gonna.

00:17:58.000 I'm watching like sort of like the what I'm interested in in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder, is when we watch something like a seemingly innocuous and potentially banal as Mark Ruffalo, the you know very good actor on Rain Wilson's podcast, I can see in him a kind of I I recognise what he's feeling.

00:18:20.000 He's feeling a kind of a despair and confusion, but he's still someone, like say Barack Obama or whatever, that's invested in the maintenance of the existing basically commercial, codified materialist culture.

00:18:37.000 Like that's what the offering is of the neoliberal left.

00:18:40.000 We are ultimately about cowtowering to corporations and bureaucracies, but we're gonna do it while pretending to be kind of nice to vulnerable people or whatever, and we'll find some tokenistic way of demonstrating that, and that's just breaking because it's not real, it's not got anything real in the midst of it.

00:18:57.000 And that's all they know.

00:18:58.000 They don't even have another frame of reference to try something different.

00:19:02.000 So, like that is their god, the culture, and then if it's not the culture, it's political parties.

00:19:09.000 So for them, it's like Obama or whoever was their guard at the time.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, it was a god.

00:19:14.000 Yeah, that's that's what they're going.

00:19:15.000 Oh, this isn't that, and they're confused by all of it, because it's all falling apart.

00:19:19.000 The other side will argue that Trump's a kind of god, won't they?

00:19:21.000 They also that that the to the right, Trump's a kind of god, and and that the process that's under unfolding here, even around Charlie Kirk, is about um a sort of deification, a kind of canonization.

00:19:31.000 But what again, when watching people's reaction to Kimmel and taking it like I people being all passionate about it, Joe, right?

00:19:37.000 I just watched some people like going, it's disgusting that Jimmy Kimmel, this is your free speech.

00:19:41.000 Like, have you ever watched Jimmy Kimmel?

00:19:43.000 It's just it's just chatting about like normal sh like top ten things like they're not talking about anything of any, it's not about meaningfulness, and that's another thing.

00:19:51.000 Like whether you hated Charlie Kirk or l uh or loved him, he was a demonstration that the culture was moving closer to issues that are relevant.

00:20:03.000 Even if you absolutely reject Christ or you absolutely reject conservatism, now there's this entire movement talking about those issues. 0.75

00:20:14.000 Like when, like just 20 years ago, it was like a Brittany Spears has got that fucking snake round her neck and she snogged Madonna, or like Usher's said a thing, you know, like you know, like now, like don't it already seem like who cares if Kanye West is saying the N-word or whatever? 0.83

00:20:30.000 Like, you know, don't things are hastening, like it's getting fast, it's getting fast. 0.94

00:20:35.000 Like what the point that I made earlier or yesterday in the show was when you saw um Kamala Harris using the conventional means of electioneering, going on Oprah Winfrey and getting a bunch of movie stars, whereas Trump went on Joe Rogan and people affiliated with him went on a bunch of podcasts.

00:20:52.000 Even though if you only looked at the superficial data, on one side it was middle-aged white men, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, that's the sp tip of the spear of new media.

00:21:03.000 It's not the same game no more.

00:21:05.000 There's a new game, and Charlie Kirk has been murdered, I think, in part because you know, I'm not saying from a conspiratorial, more of a sort of a phenomenological perspective because he is he's the first person like that of note where something weird and radical has happened, and that's without getting into you know who did it and for what reason.

00:21:22.000 That's what it's almost beyond that.

00:21:24.000 It's almost beyond that at this point, is one of the things that's sort that we've been discussing.

00:21:28.000 Joe, mate, I wonder, like when you went as you did for us to the British Patriot March there, and I've already spoken to people since then that like, isn't it a bit racist, all this thing, and it's only about migration.

00:21:40.000 Tell me a few things, or like tell me, do you think that it's different from any other social movement that you've been affected by or impacted?

00:21:48.000 Do you feel like there's something about it that's authentic and real and deep, or do you think it's just another exploitable thing that'll end up leading to a more nationalistic political leader getting in in England?

00:21:59.000 No, it's definitely more authentic.

00:22:01.000 I mean, like it's interesting you say that about the car Charlie Kirk stuff, because there was a lot of people holding up signs and memorials to him and stuff like that, and even a few people walking acrosses and stuff, like there's a real revival starting to happen, and it's like an awakening, you can feel it, and talking to people there, man.

00:22:19.000 It was you know, I spoke to a priest, there was a priest there, and he was saying we need to bring Christ back, bring him back into government into schools.

00:22:27.000 We need to see a change, Christian values again, And I think that's what's starting to happen. 1.00

00:22:32.000 You know, we need it. 0.91

00:22:34.000 Yeah, and again, like just 20 years ago, it was ridiculous.

00:22:38.000 Like I suppose, see, we're one of the um metrics or devices we're using in my own interfacing with celebrity and fame and what we might call the culture.

00:22:48.000 And when I um hosted the MTV VMA awards, which is a kind of Babylon pinnacle, certainly for me it was, like in 2000 and whatever, uh, you know, 2005, 6, 7, 8, around that time. 0.97

00:23:00.000 Like, I the Jonas brothers were a big deal, and people were super fixated on their virginity, but it didn't seem like and the same with a lot of them Mickey Mouse club stars, like promise rings, they had the promise rings, they had the promise rings, and I'm a joke I made, is that they don't mean much unless they start wearing it on their dicks. 0.97

00:23:17.000 That's one of the jokes I made um at the time. 0.83

00:23:19.000 And like, um, and people have always been sort of fascinated with like the chastity, excuse me, I'll give myself cramp there, uh, like with the chastity of um Brittany Spears, like and um all of them.

00:23:31.000 Like, why are they so interested in Miley Cyrus's virginity and why are they so interested in that? 0.77

00:23:36.000 And like in our country with Charlotte Church, people get into it, like even chastity gets sexualized and perved over a little bit, it gets perved over.

00:23:45.000 They're not looking at it from a spiritual perspective, i.e.

00:23:50.000 the act of uh creation is where we are most like gods, and a special sanctity is reserved for sexual behaviour, and it requires guidance because it's a potent portal to an energy that can get misdirected.

00:24:04.000 The other thing that I said at them VMAs was um, as well as them silly jokes about the chastity rings of those lads there, was about George W. Bush.

00:24:12.000 I got a bunch of death threats, and what but what I can tell you is the things about it that were Christian, I remember there were critiques of George W. Bush and Tony Blair at the time, people were like asked whether or not they prayed together, like whether Blair and Bush prayed together about the bombing of Iraq.

00:24:25.000 That was one thing where Christianity was discussed, and of course, when I was briefly studying religion and politics, I heard that in a way you could regard that as Christian violence, that you know, if you want to, you know, if you're gonna because the critique they were offering is if you're gonna say that 9-11 is Muslim extremist violence, and we all know that there's some a lot more complications to that story these days, that perhaps you could say it's Christian violence when a Christian in vote commons country goes and bombs the Middle East in order to get resources or whatever, and that's a sort of an interesting argument.

00:24:55.000 But what I'm the point I'm trying to make is that it seems to me now that people are actually interested in a very Christ-centered version of Christianity, i.e., the living figure, the living resurrected figure, Jesus Christ, and how that has a kind of like we've talked about this before, a sort of a trippy impact on you.

00:25:15.000 Like when me and Jake and Dave were at the Bible Museum, the sort of feeling you get is a kind of like when looking at this uh ceramic mural floor recently uncovered in Israel from the second century AD,

00:25:32.000 where the symbol of the fish is used, yet martyrs female are named, and in Greek it inscribed is Christ is God, you get a kind of sense of oh my god, Jesus is in the room.

00:25:46.000 It's like a weird psychedelic feeling.

00:25:48.000 And the reason I'm bringing that up and the reason I'm using the word psychedelic is I can't rationally justify an adult man in the modern world, educated in the way that I've been educated, not to a high standard, but sort of within the terms of the culture and an autodidact that's read philosophy, suddenly accepting something, and I become aware of this because like you know, I'm Christian now, so I'm surrounded by Christians, and it's normalized, Christianity's normalized.

00:26:12.000 Sometimes it ain't vitalized enough, but it's normalized.

00:26:15.000 But where when I'm talking to people in England, they're like, you know, like sometimes I don't know if you guys ever get this, where you might feel a bit embarrassed, like, yeah, I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian when you're talking to someone that's like, so what do you mean by what you actually believe that God came to earth and then he died for your sins?

00:26:31.000 I don't know how how does that work, and then he rose again, and now because of that you're gonna know eternal life, you sort of feel like, yeah. 0.99

00:26:39.000 You're like, well, that's a fairy story, you idiot. 0.96

00:26:42.000 You know, that's what you feel like you're believing some, but it's because it's supernatural and it's outside the our ability to appreciate reality, and that's why when you study the word, you s it's you get the historical gut punch. 0.99

00:26:55.000 It's one of the things West Huff is good at is like, oh God, oh my god, here's like they're just talking about someone they knew.

00:27:00.000 Like Peter's talking about someone he knew, John's talking about somebody new, Paul is talking about someone he encountered, and then you feel like, oh my god, it's not that long ago.

00:27:07.000 Oh, it's not long ago, oh, it's now.

00:27:09.000 Like it's a sort of a that's the aspect of it that people need to reach for, otherwise they may reach for the sort of arsenal within it, the weapons within it, the mo the ability to use it.

00:27:18.000 What will Charlie Kirk's legacy be used for?

00:27:21.000 Will it eventually come to mean vote JD Vance?

00:27:24.000 Or will it mean surrender to Christ Jesus, never trust any human power? 0.90

00:27:30.000 It's all Babylon, it's all Babylon. 0.96

00:27:34.000 How crazy is it that you are a Christian now? 1.00

00:27:37.000 Like if you thought about it back then.

00:27:40.000 Like you ever imagine that you would be a believer.

00:27:44.000 When I was married to Katie Perry and her dad and mum are like sort of pastors, I remember just thinking it was like some sort of eccentric quirk of hers that she'd grown up in that environment.

00:27:55.000 And when I met Christians, I only liked the ones that could talk about it in a kind of mystical way. 1.00

00:28:01.000 But now I know that in itself is a sort of a pretty deep tradition and has well, it's obviously mystical and entirely mystical, but someone like Thomas Merton who will help me to understand it, or or Brother Lawrence, like T or Augustine or Aquinas, like they help you to understand the philosophy of it and the beingness of it, the ontology of it.

00:28:21.000 Like when I'm irritated and angry and frustrated about my day, like of how am I gonna, where is Jesus now?

00:28:27.000 How am I gonna move towards Christ now?

00:28:30.000 What does it mean?

00:28:30.000 How does it not become nihilistic?

00:28:32.000 It's ridiculous because I was an addict, Dave. 0.83

00:28:34.000 I'm an addict, and it's very difficult to get past the layers of worship of addiction, like literal drugs and alcohol, chemical addictions, but then the more subtle forms of addiction, like uh sex and sleeping around.

00:28:48.000 And I feel so blessed now to be really well schooled in that, to be really, really well schooled in addiction and the consequences addiction, the fallibility of addiction.

00:28:58.000 It was a long time ago, someone like I was making when I was um I think it might have been even before allegations and accusations, like I was just married and living there for a monogamous life, and I was like, I won't say the name because it would be wrong and potentially liable.

00:29:14.000 But I was thinking about another famous person who likes sleeps with lots and lots of women who's super famous but married and high profile married, and I was like, ah come easy allowed to do that.

00:29:21.000 And so I went, yeah, but that's like being jealous of someone that's still using drugs or someone that's still drinking.

00:29:27.000 That person's living in in deception and delusion.

00:29:31.000 And it's there is a grief in letting go of worldliness.

00:29:35.000 There is a grief in letting go of carnality, and I think all of us feel around the edges of our life, the kind of pull of well, I want money, I want control, I want power.

00:29:45.000 And but like the thing about what's happening right now at this moment with the death of Charlie Kirk and with what looks like the death froze of a culture in a way, and I don't mean you know, I mean like the the Jimmy Kimmel stuff, like they were gonna cancel that dude anyway because the the viewers were in decline, but that's and I don't think it's a free speech issue.

00:30:02.000 I think they're making it a free speech issue so that it's got some juice in it.

00:30:06.000 I think both sides will get off on that.

00:30:07.000 Who gives there was no relevant free speech going on on late night TV? 0.58

00:30:11.000 They're saying sit in your chair, vote for one of these two parties, preferably this one, buy these products, take that vaccine, shut your mouth.

00:30:18.000 Oh no, don't shut that down.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, because even uh you know, uh if the left gets cancelled or the right gets cancelled, like uh Roseanne, people are using the Roseanne example when she got cancelled, then who decides who gets cancelled when?

00:30:33.000 If they're you know, who decides?

00:30:35.000 Because they'll the left will say, Well, that's justified, they got cancelled, the right will say that's justified, he got cancelled, but even that it's gotta go further than that.

00:30:43.000 Who's even the judge to even decide?

00:30:46.000 Same thing with the morality police in the UK.

00:30:49.000 How do you have a morality police when you have no morality?

00:30:52.000 You have no God because you're saying he doesn't exist or he's not important.

00:30:58.000 How do we even decide?

00:31:00.000 We need to surrender, we need to die to ourselves.

00:31:03.000 So the Charlie Kirk thing is a shat it's uh it's like glass shattering, and I think there are it's this it's this facade that's being broken down, and so I think in the midst of all that, there's gonna be people that are gonna try to use it for political power.

00:31:19.000 There's gonna be people that are gonna try to use it to gain more followers.

00:31:23.000 All of that's gonna happen, but I also hope, and I see it in the midst of all that, there's still a lot of genuine things happening that God's stirring hard.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, because God is real, yeah.

00:31:34.000 So it's so God's presence will use it, will have sort of appear in it like iron filings round a magnet, which is the image of the cross that I start to feel as I came to our Lord or as our Lord came to me.

00:31:45.000 And it I suppose, Jake, what we're interested in is not the mobilization of ideas to win an argument as demonstrated when, oh yeah, no, it's okay to like people on the right saying, Well, it's okay to cancel Jimmy Kimmel because actually Jimmy Kimmel was making a joke about that.

00:32:01.000 When you see it, it's pretty innocuous, really, and pretty sort of meaningless and trite.

00:32:05.000 Uh uh, how could it not be?

00:32:07.000 Um, but instead, what you want to see is a sort of the glimpse of eternity, because how can any well, as you just said, very clearly, where is authority derived from?

00:32:17.000 What is your basis for even making the claim that there's such a thing as right and wrong?

00:32:23.000 I watched the other day that film from ages ago, some you know, The Martian, and in the film The Martian, it's clearly a celebration of man's scientific endeavour.

00:32:30.000 Matt Damon's astronaut character gets left on Mars uh but as something goes wrong on a mission, and as a botanist, he's able to sustain himself for a couple of years until the ingenuity of his colleagues at NASA facilitates his rescue.

00:32:42.000 In one very notable scene, he pulls apart the crucifix of his departed colleague in order to create he has to create an explosion for some sort of agricultural reason and to you know separate water and stuff like that.

00:32:54.000 Anyway, the film delights in the idea that it's in fact human endeavour that saves us and human ingenuity that saves us.

00:33:01.000 But even in a film that clearly prizes those ideas, the allegiance of the of the astronauts that return to rescue their colleague comes from what?

00:33:11.000 What is the allegiance?

00:33:12.000 Why do they want to rescue him?

00:33:14.000 Why is it right to rescue him?

00:33:16.000 What is right?

00:33:17.000 And even when atheists, and that God knows there's some real clever atheists out there, say I don't need a God in order to behave correctly, that isn't the argument.

00:33:27.000 The argument is you need a God in order to claim there's such a thing as correctly.

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:33.000 There is no correctly if unless there's a got a God to tell you what correct is.

00:33:38.000 Otherwise, anyone else's argument is as good as yours.

00:33:42.000 I just happen to like being nice to puppies. 0.99

00:33:44.000 Well, I like strangling them and drinking their blood.

00:33:46.000 What's your what which one's good, which one's bad if there's no God? 0.99

00:33:49.000 How do we know?

00:33:50.000 And and then the whole thing starts to seem ridiculous because what is beauty?

00:33:54.000 What is mathematics?

00:33:55.000 What is geometry?

00:33:57.000 What are these apparent patterns?

00:33:58.000 The patterns of the world that we're not meant to conform to, actually, the divine and sublime patterns that are in uh that are indicatively present as a result of the patterns of the world or the patterns that we ought to be pursuing, according to our Lord and uh the interpretation of our Lord's words by St. Paul, certainly in Romans, like that you can't make no claim for anything until you first accept God.

00:34:18.000 And what's happening now, I think, is instead of the vaguely pagan ideas of God that the culture will afford you, and paganism will mean your identity is God, your sexuality is God, nature is God, the earth is God.

00:34:33.000 You're a nation.

00:34:34.000 There's all sorts of false pantheonistic uh designations and destinations for your tendency to worship.

00:34:41.000 By the way, why do you have that?

00:34:43.000 Why are you made to worship?

00:34:44.000 Why do you need to worship something?

00:34:45.000 Why do you need to worship a football team or drugs or sex or something?

00:34:49.000 What is that?

00:34:50.000 So, yeah, this does seem like a different revival.

00:34:54.000 And I feel like we're somehow participating.

00:34:57.000 Well, we're in it somehow.

00:34:59.000 We're in it.

00:35:00.000 I don't know what to do.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, because we'll think that it's just us.

00:35:03.000 Like we'll go, man, God's really moving in the three of us, and you start realising it's not the just the three of us, or the four of us with Joe, or it's more, it's happening on a bigger scale.

00:35:12.000 It's something that's larger beyond just our friend group.

00:35:16.000 And I think these um events like the tragedy with Charlie Kirk, sort of push things forward for what God wants to do.

00:35:25.000 And it might siphon through, you know, people trying to gain different political advantages, and I think we can still, through that siphoning, get some really moving, powerful things of God to happen.

00:35:39.000 If you're watching us anywhere other than on Rumble, click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble right now.

00:35:45.000 We're talking about revival and we're talking about Christ.

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00:38:13.000 Like the term Christian nationalism, it's a sort of high, is a thing that people have always been kind of nervous about, and it's the kind of language that I would have used once.

00:38:21.000 But the kind of Christianity I'm interested in is the kind that Erica Kirk demonstrates when forgiving her shooter.

00:38:26.000 Let's have a little look at that and let's talk about the concept of forgiveness and the standard that you can be held to once you declare you're a Christian. 0.99

00:38:36.000 Like if you say I'm a Christian, then I suppose people can go, well, what's this shit then? 0.95

00:38:43.000 And then obviously you've got ready as your uh repost, sorry for swearing. 0.98

00:38:47.000 Uh obviously you've got for your repost, I'm broken, I'm fallen, or whatever, but you can't stay in your fallenness without you have to repent.

00:38:56.000 That's what that's the principle of repentance.

00:38:58.000 Let's um first of all have a look at uh Erica Kirk.

00:39:01.000 Uh we've watched it before, um, but I think it's obviously bloody hell.

00:39:04.000 It's pretty powerful.

00:39:08.000 My husband Charlie.

00:39:12.000 He wanted to save young man.

00:39:19.000 just like the one who took his life.

00:39:21.000 Thank you.

00:39:24.000 Thank you.

00:39:35.000 It's a large crowd to try to control the timing of a clap.

00:39:38.000 So it's like the trickle in of uh, like, oh, that's what she's saying.

00:39:42.000 Big bounce off the back of that last year.

00:39:44.000 What's it?

00:39:44.000 100,000 in there.

00:39:45.000 That's a lot, yeah.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, you know, she's gonna have to it's in spite of not only she gotta pass through her grief and the tragedy that she must be personally encountering, she's gonna deploy the technical skills of knowing when the bounce of her voice is coming off the back of that auditorium to wait for an applause in a pretty tricky situation.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, that's a difficult situation to um to manage for sure.

00:40:15.000 That young man.

00:40:18.000 That young man.

00:40:21.000 On the cross, our savior said.

00:40:28.000 Father, forgive them For they not know what they do.

00:40:35.000 That man.

00:40:38.000 That young man.

00:40:43.000 I forgive him.

00:40:54.000 I suppose the reason people will be highlight quite rightly that moment is it's a demonstration of values that go beyond the values that our culture can offer us.

00:41:03.000 Our culture will offer us the death penalty.

00:41:06.000 That'll be one of the narratives.

00:41:07.000 Death penalties available in Utah.

00:41:10.000 He should get it.

00:41:11.000 But actually.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, I know the message of sublime and supreme compassion.

00:41:17.000 I was thinking about John Paul the second and that assassination attempt, what uh I think it was an Algerian lad shot him.

00:41:24.000 And um, like Pope John Paul forgave him, visited him, became good friends, lobbied for his release.

00:41:31.000 I mean, it's why that lights you up.

00:41:33.000 That lights you up to live to that standard because you're conforming not to the pattern of this world, you're transcending the standard of this world.

00:41:39.000 And when you know that this world can't ever fulfill you, you've got no choice.

00:41:43.000 I mean, what choices she got?

00:41:44.000 The Erica Kirk, she's got to go through that.

00:41:47.000 What that they're you know, whenever people lose someone that they love, you have to You've got to receive the lesson, haven't you?

00:41:56.000 You've got to receive whatever lesson is kind of knotted and woven and knitted into that, because otherwise, on its own terms, life becomes unlivable, unlivable.

00:42:09.000 And I suppose to be able to be grateful when your life collapses, or when the unbearable or the unforgivable happens, that is presence of his supreme power.

00:42:21.000 One of the things I like about Brother Lawrence and his uh little collection of writings, the practice of the presence of God is his unfussiness.

00:42:30.000 He says he lives as if him and God are the only people in the world and he's in constant dialogue with God, and when he messes up, he says, I just say, says Brother Lawrence, this is as this is as good as I can do without you.

00:42:43.000 This is as good as I can do without you.

00:42:45.000 I don't I'm not that good.

00:42:47.000 I like the you know, like in it like we're in this um we're being invited to participate in all of these systems and all these hierarchies, and I gosh, it's difficult for me.

00:43:00.000 I find it very hard to accept just go and be a member of a church, go and just be a person, be but like it's changing in me.

00:43:09.000 Like that I want to be obedient.

00:43:13.000 I don't really like I want to be with my wife and kids.

00:43:18.000 I just want to be with my wife and kids, really, and I want to, and the only place I can actually do that is from a perspective from a position of connection to him and surrender to him.

00:43:27.000 Simple, humble Christianity.

00:43:29.000 Again, like part of the challenge of coming to Christ is I think for people that have been coached either on cynicism and scepticism or or the worship of intelligence, is that how can I just believe in the same thing as some old lady, or like these people you see like Christians in like Africa somewhere, like that you think I can't believe what they believe, these simple folk. 0.99

00:43:52.000 And actually, you can.

00:43:55.000 Now, one of the things that people like, you know, if we're we're trying to understand revival, the last significant, I suppose, uh well, you I'm sure there have been other revivals, but uh Billy Graham's name still looms large in the imaginary, obviously, Mount Rushmore of uh influential Christian teachers of the latter day.

00:44:17.000 And I'm very interested in what was unique about Billy Graham.

00:44:22.000 We know like a couple of his grandsons and like all of them, as you might imagine, are involved in ministry one way or another.

00:44:28.000 What is it that you Billy Graham did so well?

00:44:31.000 What was so powerful?

00:44:32.000 Why was he so influential?

00:44:34.000 So influential in fact that her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II was impacted.

00:44:38.000 That's according to the crown.

00:44:40.000 That's uh that's uh that's not my research, that's the crowns.

00:44:42.000 Let's have a look at um Billy Graham.

00:44:44.000 First of all, here he is uh in Yankee Stadium.

00:44:47.000 This is in I guess the uh 960s, I suppose, this revival.

00:44:50.000 check it out This is Yankee Stadium, New York.

00:45:11.000 This is an historic hour.

00:45:13.000 You're attending by television, the largest evangelistic gathering together in American history, the Glimactic meeting of the Billy Graham, New York Crusade.

00:45:21.000 By nine this morning, the parking lot adjacent to the ballpark were filling up.

00:45:25.000 By mid-afternoon, they were overflowing.

00:45:27.000 Tonight, not a seat remains unoccupied in a stadium that can hold 80,000, and others line the infield and outfield to a point of saturation.

00:45:37.000 It beggars belief that one other individual can be crowded into these premises.

00:45:41.000 All of the gates of Yankee Stadium have been closed.

00:45:44.000 Thousands of others are milling about out on the extra perimeter of Yankee Stadium beyond the confines.

00:45:50.000 One of the things about our i incessantly updating online lives these days is sometimes you'll just look at an image of a French train in 1970 or a British street in 1989, and everything already seems sepious-soaked and idyllic.

00:46:09.000 But what were they looking for the thousands of people in Yankee Stadium that day?

00:46:16.000 What was happening in America then?

00:46:18.000 Where was America in its own trajectory?

00:46:21.000 And how did that revivalist energy get directed back into self-sustaining systems of political power?

00:46:31.000 Because I feel like uh you told me, Jake, that Richard Nixon, then vice president, introduces Billy Graham.

00:46:37.000 So we're you know, we're prior his president prior to his presidency, prior to the murder of JFK, the Vietnam, the Vietnam War, and like you know, sort of in a sense, the what many people regard as the ending of American innocence.

00:46:49.000 So just prior to that, you know, our Lord gives you Billy Graham Yankee Stadium, Satan gives you Vietnam. 0.90

00:46:57.000 It's like the Chicago way, honey.

00:46:59.000 They pull a knife, you pull a gun, they send one of yours to the hospital, we send one of yours to the morgue.

00:47:04.000 We are in spiritual warfare, and that's one of the things that I think is also pe prevail prevalent.

00:47:08.000 People are sort of getting aware of what a demons real demons and angels and entities.

00:47:14.000 Because when you're believing in Christianity, you're not just believing in a kind of a moral purview, you're not just believing that God came to earth, the creator of the simulation entered the simulation and paid the debt that you could never pay because debt has to get paid, it's somehow like a kind of mathematics.

00:47:27.000 You're also believing in virgin births and demons and nephilim and giants and beasts and creatures and holy warfare and the end game and Armageddon.

00:47:38.000 There's quite a lot, and it's very difficult to secularise, isn't it?

00:47:41.000 Interesting. 0.67

00:47:42.000 In fact, the project of secularization is to impact and affect the canvas of reality to the point where even that conversation seems implausible and ridiculous.

00:47:51.000 And think about the kind of things that the your Alex Jones is and your David Ike's your kind of early forefathers of the internet, you might call them, the conspiracy theory generators, the early adapters, the people that sort of will come on your TV set in the mid-1980s and and say, look, You know, Osama bin Laden's going to blow up the Twin Towers before 9-11, markedly and importantly.

00:48:12.000 Or reptilians are in control of your kids'minds or are controlling the media.

00:48:15.000 You know, it's pretty interesting that there's this potent supernatural dimension to it.

00:48:21.000 And it's pretty interesting that we've been trained to reject that.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, I mean, and this is crazy to see to go back in time and watch this footage and to see that this was you know a hundred thousand people all coming to see Billy Graham to hear the gospel, Richard Nixon's up there giving the introduction, it's America, but there's not a guarantee that just because a bunch of people gather and that you know Billy Graham speaks, that it's just gonna lead to some utopian state of society.

00:48:51.000 There's there's a bigger picture at play that God's doing across the world, and it's also timing matters.

00:48:57.000 So I wonder like we could watch all this stuff that's going on with Charlie Kirk, who you know, from all these people gathering in some beautiful moments that are even happening, worship and people turning to God, and we just have to make sure we don't try to control it, and we don't try to monetize it somehow.

00:49:18.000 Then we don't try to put our faith in even if a president is up there saying Christian things, or if Richard Nixon's doing the introduction.

00:49:29.000 Jesus has to be the main focus.

00:49:33.000 Yeah, that's the final killing of the individualistic spirit, which I think stands in for the Judaic law that Paul is talking about when he argues with Peter for removing the necessity for circumcision for new believers.

00:49:49.000 That now it's not Judaic law or Phariseism that might contain or restrict a person, me, you, whoever.

00:49:56.000 But individualism, materialism, your true devoutness to the culture, like that what that where I get my personal, it's not even authority, it's simply testimony, is that I believe that I was so immersed in individualism that addiction is an expression of individualism that all you care about is how am I gonna look after this individual little god in me, the self.

00:50:20.000 How am I gonna stay in self in my sinful nature?

00:50:24.000 How am I gonna live in that?

00:50:25.000 It's so curious, too, that the Lord invites us to come as little children to make ourselves innocent again and to open our hearts and to walk towards him with a not gullibility or foolishness, but with the innocence of a child, which means a kind of the casting off.

00:50:43.000 Can you see it when you sit next to a child somewhere?

00:50:45.000 You feel their radiant innocence, a young baby, their open-heartedness, their open eyes as they look at the world.

00:50:52.000 It's very difficult to do that, to to identify with that kind of that level of d open dependency and its beautiful, fragile power. 0.99

00:51:00.000 But the state demands too that you become dependent, dependent on its ideas, sometimes dependent on it financially, dependent on its ideology, dependent on its information.

00:51:09.000 And in a way, the last apostles of the falling state, when you see Barack Obama saying, I don't know what we're gonna do, and we used to have goodies on both sides.

00:51:16.000 George W. Bush was a good guy.

00:51:18.000 They're advocating for the state is God, the state is God.

00:51:22.000 I think he even alluded to the idea, a car a popular contemporary idea that your faith in God should be some private thing you do in a nook.

00:51:30.000 Get off in your little nook and worship your little personal harmless God, like it's a Tamagotchi, and then get out here and spend your money with us and our real God with Mollock. 0.69

00:51:41.000 Get out here and sacrifice what we want you to sacrifice. 0.94

00:51:44.000 If we want you to sacrifice your your innocence, you sacrifice it. 0.99

00:51:48.000 If we want you to sacrifice your children, you'll sacrifice them.

00:51:50.000 If you want your but if we want you to sacrifice your bodily autonomy through injections, you'll sacrifice it. 1.00

00:51:56.000 Your lives to fight in some stupid, dumb ideological war, whether that's the wars of the last century or the dumb wars of this one. 0.99

00:52:03.000 They want your fealty, they want your sacrifices, they want your allegiance, and they don't even have the good grace to tell you that it's a religion that they are selling you even as they sell it. 0.99

00:52:15.000 Um let's have a look at a bit more of this.

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00:52:26.000 So these perverts. 0.92

00:52:27.000 Let's have a look at uh Billy Graham at Yankee Stadium. 0.83

00:52:29.000 Lines of the stadium itself, and those will be served by loud speakers that have been placed there for their convenience.

00:52:35.000 Up until this moment, the greatest crowd ever to attend one evangelistic meeting in the United States was in the Cotton Bowl Dallas.

00:52:41.000 1953.

00:52:42.000 75,000 were there.

00:52:44.000 More than 100,000 are here.

00:52:48.000 And now we have a very special guest this evening, and we're going to ask Mr. Billy Graham to come and introduce that guest for us.

00:53:00.000 I think the man that I'm going to introduce is probably one of the hardest working men in the United States.

00:53:07.000 He has certainly brought new lobster to the office of vice president.

00:53:12.000 He has become America's. 0.75

00:53:14.000 Wow, Lord choose him.

00:53:16.000 Is it the eyes?

00:53:16.000 He's got like nice glassy blue eyes.

00:53:23.000 Yeah.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, probably all those things.

00:53:26.000 He was probably like, oh, he's tall.

00:53:27.000 You like it?

00:53:28.000 It's nice and tall.

00:53:29.000 Yeah.

00:53:30.000 He's a nice tall man for you.

00:53:33.000 He'll he'll say, I'll do it.

00:53:34.000 I mean, that was all the time things like Johnny Cash and everybody was sort of like you have to be bold to really go for something in that time.

00:53:40.000 Now it's like people don't even want real jobs.

00:53:43.000 Everybody wants to go for something.

00:53:44.000 Like I'm an artist.

00:53:45.000 I'm a but back then you gotta work the farm. 0.88

00:53:48.000 So to go completely against culture, you gotta be a little crazy. 0.81

00:53:52.000 Right.

00:53:53.000 You know?

00:53:53.000 Yeah, so like Billy Graham's in the mix of all those guys.

00:53:56.000 Like there are like a few of them.

00:53:58.000 Like, oh we'll play music.

00:53:59.000 Well, you're supposed to work the farm.

00:54:01.000 I'm gonna do music now.

00:54:04.000 And that's what I could go like everybody's a musician now.

00:54:07.000 Now you're like, no, like go work the farm.

00:54:09.000 Go work the farm.

00:54:10.000 Go back and get a real job.

00:54:12.000 Grow us a potato.

00:54:13.000 But in that time you had to have some real cahoonies to go out and then and especially to do something like this. 0.98

00:54:19.000 I'm not working the farm.

00:54:20.000 I'm gonna be in a glassy-eyed evangelist.

00:54:23.000 And I will break the record set at the dust bowl.

00:54:26.000 He has become America's number one ambassador of goodwill.

00:54:31.000 It's been my privilege to follow in some of his footsteps in other parts of the world and found his pocket.

00:54:37.000 Isn't it amazing that if you worship the culture, you'll be baffled to learn that what he's about to say is please welcome Stage Richard Nixon.

00:54:46.000 Up until the modern era, he would have been the very epitome of a corrupt politician.

00:54:50.000 I am not a crock.

00:54:52.000 Like he was like sort of seen as the president that it's okay to not like because of Watergate and stuff.

00:54:58.000 But since then the culture's become so demonically charged that you either really really hate Obama or you really really hate Trump or you really really hate sort of everybody.

00:55:07.000 There's so much hatred.

00:55:08.000 Like this is such an innocent time.

00:55:10.000 But the culture will let you down.

00:55:11.000 The culture of Richard Nixon will let you down.

00:55:13.000 Well, and people can be good at one point, or you know, go for the right goals and have great motives and then fail.

00:55:20.000 So like if you want they will.

00:55:23.000 If if if they're doing it for any other reason other than God just use me, that's the whole, you know, this is the best I can do.

00:55:30.000 God just use me. 0.98

00:55:30.000 It's like even when you're listening to Richard Nixon, you don't have to watch the whole thing, but him just talking, it sounds like a great guy. 0.98

00:55:38.000 A lot of people say it was alright.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, like it sounds pretty good.

00:55:41.000 So that guy goes on to what he does, you know.

00:55:45.000 It's possible for for any of us to do that.

00:55:49.000 Also, by the way, is it like again, the whole thing, but for good and for ill is the packaging of the culture.

00:55:55.000 Like Richard Nixon, one minute we need him to represent a vice president of virtue and then a president that's virtuous and part of the process of the grieving of JFK.

00:56:06.000 Oh, now we kind of need him to be absolutely vilified.

00:56:09.000 Now I know events take place, but what the culture is so adept and so marvelous at is the exploitation of events.

00:56:16.000 It's like a big enough, loose enough network of nodes all converging on their agenda to like whether it's oh, there's been you know, some Houthis are doing some activity in the Suez Canal, uh, Venezuela have done this, oh there's a missile's gone off in Poland, oh woman's been murdered on a train, cracker barrel have changed their logo, the machine goes brom, this is how we use that.

00:56:39.000 This is where we direct that energy, and it will use anyone.

00:56:43.000 Like, don't you sometimes think as like much more uh deeply um uh uh educated and practiced Christians than me?

00:56:51.000 That like the church gets like that's the sometimes you feel the presence of the evil one right there in them institutions, and you would, wouldn't you?

00:56:59.000 If you take the Bible uh literally in the places that you're supposed to, then you would accept that the devil, the evil one, El Diablo, Bielzebub, the necromancer, the follower of the left band path, he that walks backwards, he's in charge, he's in charge of the earth, he's directing events down here.

00:57:18.000 That's how he's able to offer Christ that authority.

00:57:20.000 That's why Paul's telling you you're not fighting flesh, you're fighting against principalities of dark spiritual power.

00:57:26.000 And like that's what I feel now, and you can't do that by the that the dark principality of spiritual power, it's not the red side or the blue side, depending on one of the things that's really good about me.

00:57:36.000 Uh, I would tell you, is I've not memorized of your two political parties which one's red and which one's blue.

00:57:41.000 So I actually don't know.

00:57:42.000 When people go it's a blue state, I'll have to go, all right.

00:57:44.000 Hold on.

00:57:45.000 Um what does that mean again?

00:57:46.000 The red one, because it's the opposite way to my one, I think.

00:57:49.000 Red is Trump and blue is Democrat.

00:57:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:53.000 In my country, red is like the Labour Party, red blood, red flag, communism, all of that, and the blue is the blue, blue blood, posh people.

00:58:02.000 We've got a whole different sort of uh system of analysis and evaluation over here.

00:58:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:06.000 So what do you think about how the church and the message of Christ does get used to mess people up?

00:58:12.000 100%.

00:58:12.000 I think for sure, I think church culture in America is probably one of the biggest tools for the devil.

00:58:18.000 I mean, it's it's a culture of look at me, I'm okay, everything's good.

00:58:25.000 I don't have any problems.

00:58:26.000 I mean, they basically disqualify themselves from needing the Lord.

00:58:31.000 You know, it should be the opposite.

00:58:33.000 It should be more like an AA meeting when you're going in there.

00:58:37.000 Going. 0.97

00:58:38.000 And I'm screwed up. 0.98

00:58:39.000 I need help. 0.95

00:58:41.000 I need Jesus.

00:58:43.000 In a current state.

00:58:45.000 No, it it's I don't know.

00:58:47.000 I think church culture, I don't think it's any specific church.

00:58:51.000 And I think I don't know if it'll I don't know.

00:58:55.000 When I when I've gone to church in other places, it seems a lot different than in America.

00:59:02.000 Seems a lot more genuine.

00:59:03.000 It seems a lot smaller, it seems more communal.

00:59:06.000 I don't know if we're meant to have huge, massive like businesses as churches.

00:59:11.000 Oh man, that's really interesting.

00:59:12.000 But I I see that as like when I've been because I've been to a lot of 12-step meetings, and like 12-step meetings take on the inflections of the environment they're in.

00:59:21.000 Like I've been to ones that are in rural communities in Britain, and it's of course all sort of like farmers and stuff, or you go to one in Sydney and everyone's well, I might like you know, like there's what you would expect there, a couple of gay folks, couple of like sort of tough sort of Aussies, a surfer, you know, and then I've been in New York and I've been in LA and I've been and like it bears the inflection. 0.99

00:59:41.000 Um and I think the church and 12-step programs have the same challenge.

00:59:45.000 That if you're not careful, the evil one is such a crafty, he's a crafty devil, Satan, be El Zabub, he walks backwards, is that what will happen is that church or 12-step programs will default to do this so that you can go back and get money.

01:00:02.000 And that's one of the things I find sort of a bit odd about right now.

01:00:05.000 You know, like they what happened is church will be an accompl accompaniment to your normal life.

01:00:10.000 That's an accompaniment rather to your normal life.

01:00:13.000 If you go to church, you might be able to get a wife and get a job and all that.

01:00:16.000 If you go 12-step program, you might be able to get a job.

01:00:18.000 No, if you've really believed in God, then you'll sort of be out live like St. Paul or St. Francis, just go, alright, I'm just here for a while, I'm here to make disciples and spread the message.

01:00:28.000 I don't care.

01:00:29.000 I don't not I don't care, but I'm not defined by what happens here.

01:00:33.000 And sometimes like people, like back in the UK, talk to me as if like my end point would be, oh then I'll be out get a film done.

01:00:41.000 I like you know, it's sort of it but I bridle at it.

01:00:43.000 I bridle, and I'm sick and I'm sickened by that in others when they think that I would want to try and get back into that world.

01:00:49.000 That's why I'm sort of glad to see that world collapsing, because I'm like, well, it'sn't there it ain't gonna be there to go back to.

01:00:54.000 There ain't gonna be a Hollywood, they're already in one.

01:00:56.000 Don't remember in COVID when they did the Oscars, and it was like from a dungeon.

01:00:59.000 Do you remember that?

01:01:00.000 I was like, yeah, good.

01:01:01.000 It's actually it's becoming what it's supposed to become.

01:01:03.000 It's like, hey, we're doing the Oscars from this cellar.

01:01:06.000 Let's keep pretending that not everyone's a paedophile. 0.98

01:01:09.000 Now coming to the stage, a paedophile!

01:01:12.000 Oh, I mean an actor that's good at acting. 1.00

01:01:14.000 Shut up, this is important. 0.99

Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 23, 2025

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