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00:02:32.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, where we address that most pre-evolent, pre-eminent, significant of issues, censorship and surveillance.
00:02:42.000That's why we're on Rumble, because we can speak freely without being censored.
00:02:46.000Why, I could say almost anything as long as it wasn't a transgression against existing laws, which we have to assume are there for some kind of reason.
00:02:54.000But it's not just me that we're looking at today because we've got the contributions of Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, who's just biding his time, and Candace Owens on the subject of censorship surveillance.
00:03:06.000And who is it that determines what is sayable and what cannot be said?
00:03:10.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be there for about 10 minutes for obvious reasons.
00:03:13.000Then you're gonna have to click the link in the description and join us over Thank you very much for joining us today.
00:03:27.000Let's learn now why all of a sudden categories like misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation exist.
00:03:33.000Who benefits from us being controlled?
00:03:35.000There's no doubt that the internet generates a great deal of untrue information.
00:03:40.000By God, I've been subject to a lot of it.
00:03:43.000But does that mean that we should trust Dubious centralized authorities with the task of censoring what we're able to access?
00:03:50.000Let me know in the comments in the chat what you think about that.
00:03:53.000First of all, let's look at that most controversial online pundit and commentator.
00:03:59.000The sigil and signifier of censored information.
00:04:07.000Now, of course, we have to be very sensitive what we broadcast when it comes to Alex Jones on YouTube.
00:04:11.000He's the very kind of complex person that is loathed In the big tech world.
00:04:17.000But I always remind myself, if you look at some of the things that guy said on tape prior to them happening, if they were attributed to like, I don't know, some Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, even if that Pulitzer Prize winning journalist had made some significant errors, you would consider them more a soothsayer and prophet than just online pundit.
00:04:35.000What a complex man he is, but certainly he knows how censorship works.
00:04:46.000The FBI appear to be involved, the CIA appear to be involved.
00:04:49.000Can you tell us, do you see this as a pivotal moment?
00:04:53.000If they can come for you and take you down, if they can reclaim your assets, does that mean that this is the first Domino, the next is Tucker, then it's Rogan, that this is, in a sense, the beginning of a series of attacks that will shut down the free speech space?
00:05:11.000What they're doing to me is a beta test for everybody else.
00:05:14.000And I'm just blessed they're doing it, because it shows we've been on the right side of history, on the right target.
00:05:19.000But if I told you all what happened, and the FBI went in court, admitted they're running, and they have the CIA guy that got caught by Project Veritas spinoff group admitting it all, that's all well known now.
00:05:30.000But what are we saying they're so scared of?
00:05:59.000I don't know, but definitely big stuff's coming because they're so desperate to shut us down right now.
00:06:05.000It's a long story, but two weeks ago, they tried to without a court order with the CRO and the bankruptcy gets into law, shut us down without a court order.
00:06:15.000They may shut us down tomorrow, but there is a desperation to shut us off because they don't want us on air when we cover what is about to happen.
00:06:32.000Why are they so desperate to get me off air?
00:06:35.000So you feel it is because of your ability to report and offer insights into stories that they're having to expedite and speed up this process.
00:06:44.000So we should all hold our breath for something terrifying, which is, I don't even like thinking
00:06:49.000in those terms Alex, I really don't, I do have enough anxiety.
00:06:52.000But can you tell me how this unfolded?
00:06:54.000How we went from the sort of trial that we all saw, where it was about compensation for
00:07:01.000the victims of Sandy Hook, and I've reported on this before, in a sense, like the way this
00:07:04.000has been reported on, is not that you said some things that were insensitive and untrue
00:07:12.000It's almost been portrayed as if you did Sandy Hook.
00:07:15.000That's the kind of, like, the way that the messaging has been kind of confused and mangled, the way that these kind of, the way these stories play out in the public sphere.
00:07:24.000How have we gone from that to, we're claiming all of your assets, is it true they're taking your archives?
00:07:30.000Who would ultimately own InfoWars in this instance?
00:07:34.000Well, that's a great Russell Brand 2.0 cut right to the chase.
00:07:39.000They bragged after they won these two court cases, but the judges already found me guilty two years ago in Texas and Connecticut in controlled jurisdictions.
00:10:20.000But the point is, something was supposed to happen in the last 13 days
00:10:24.000that they wanted me off the air. I'm not dumb enough to think, oh, this is about me.
00:10:29.000No, this wasn't about me. Desperate, hysterical insanity to get me off the air in the last two
00:10:35.000weeks, outside of court orders, was about something bigger, maybe a war. I don't know.
00:10:42.000But clearly, it's not about me. But in their mindset, in this nexus, they thought I was going
00:10:48.000to say or do something when this next event happens that could block them. And that's what I do.
00:10:53.000So my only real power is that I understand politics, the world, how systems work, to a little extent, you know, most and most, but not that much.
00:11:01.000I'm not trying to say I'm a grand poobah, but I've got an understanding.
00:11:04.000So to me, it's not, oh, I'm so important.
00:11:07.000It's like, If they're so desperate to shut me down, what are they planning?
00:11:11.000So that's where we are now, and we could be shut down tomorrow.
00:11:14.000The judge has said he may do it, but this is so crazy.
00:11:17.000The plaintiffs, the Democratic Party that runs all this, said to Reuters, AP, and a bunch of other publications last week, they said, no, we don't want money.
00:12:35.000Do you think that ultimately behind this is the CIA, as we saw in that video, where we saw that CIA operative saying, yeah, they want to drain his resources, they want to bankrupt him, we saw that, that's sort of something that was on camera, and it's weird that when we get those things on camera that they don't Have a greater impact.
00:12:50.000I know they reach a lot of people and I think they galvanize a lot of people, but it seems that they don't have any kind of legal weight, that you're not able to use them in order to oppose this stuff.
00:13:00.000What means of opposition do you have here, Alex?
00:13:33.000They're trying to shut down the archives.
00:13:36.000They told me, the court appointed people that said two days ago, they said, you're on air saying you have this archive that's free of all our shows.
00:13:54.000And we know evergreen stuff is really powerful.
00:13:57.000So they're really scared of what people are going to dig out of that.
00:13:59.000And that's really why they wanted to shut me down because reading their own white papers and interviewing top experts and doing this, you know, 14 hours a day and being focused, we have basically predicted what was going to happen.
00:14:10.000So they're already worried with billions of views of my predictions.
00:14:14.000Well, they go and they watch these predictions.
00:14:16.000They know that there's gold there in the fight.
00:14:21.000So they are hysterical to shut us down because they say that victors write the history books.
00:14:26.000Well, they're getting ready to write the history books.
00:15:19.000I've heard you say before that you feel like the election might get cancelled, that there could be a race war in your country, that there could be some other reason to delegitimize or derail the electoral process.
00:15:33.000If that were to happen, wouldn't it be reported on by Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson or other people in the space?
00:15:41.000Why would it be so significant to remove you and your archive?
00:16:00.000We're going to have to leave YouTube now.
00:16:02.000Click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble if you want to see Steve Bannon and Candice Owens contributing to this conversation.
00:16:12.000Well, Russell, I'm always blown away by your insight.
00:16:23.000So if in 2016, and I didn't even know this at the time, but they said this and it's true, we had the RNC in Cleveland and a third of the people out there, hundreds of thousands, were wearing my shirts.
00:16:34.000We sold like half a million t-shirts the month before.
00:17:25.000They're fighting the last enemy, which they say generals always fight the last army.
00:17:30.000So I think that's the answer, is I'm kind of blessed.
00:17:32.000They're spending all this time and energy on me while there's all these other... And then I have the paradox of, well, you shouldn't tell them what's really happening.
00:17:40.000But that's my superpower, telling the truth.
00:17:41.000So they're like, don't give the enemy intel.
00:18:28.000You weren't in the position you're in now but you were already a person that people had attacked and derided and people have said this guy's crazy and a conspiracy theorist.
00:18:38.000And to see you lauded in that way is obviously an indication of great power and your point that generals fight their last battle is clearly a significant one.
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00:19:04.000Let me ask you first, are you a Sleepy Joe type character with zero cognitive performance, struggling to muster focus and brain power for basic things like running the United States of America?
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00:19:31.000Not in the Bolivian lowlands run not by a family but by a single man still living with a pet.
00:19:36.000Instead of waking up and drinking your big corporation-owned woke ideology coffee that's probably making you sick from the pesticides it's sprayed with, try Rumbles.
00:22:57.000I am reminded for some reason, Alex, of a piece of footage I saw of Colonel Gaddafi addressing an Arab Congress, saying to the co-leaders of various Arabian and North African nations Hold on a minute!
00:24:11.000I remember a Wall Street Journal article like six years ago before I got banned everywhere saying the left will accept our attack on Assange and the right will accept the attack on Jones.
00:24:19.000It was a huge 30-page article and they said once they accept that we'll get them all.
00:24:23.000So people need to know they're coming for everybody right now.
00:24:29.000Candace Owens has been on an extraordinary journey, both spiritually, publicly, politically, and also as a celebrity.
00:24:37.000But on the subject of censorship, she is forthright.
00:24:40.000Obviously, for a while, she was working at the Daily Wire, which initially seemed like an incredible partnership, although it famously ended pretty badly.
00:24:48.000Let's see what Candace Owens has to say on this subject.
00:24:53.000I'm a provocateur in the sense that the truth is provocative.
00:24:56.000The truth is provocative enough, you don't need to actually add anything to the truth, you just have to be willing to tell it.
00:25:01.000and most people are not because when you start arriving at truth, and I'm talking about,
00:25:05.000I always thought I was chasing truth, like, you know, Black Lives Matter, it's fraudulent,
00:25:09.000you know, they're taking money, okay, that's a little truth, but what is the truth?
00:25:14.000The truth, you're at the Bible suddenly, right?
00:25:17.000And then you start to realize that it's not, these people are not attacking Donald Trump,
00:25:20.000they're not attacking this, it's not about racism, sexism, it's always been about Jesus Christ, right?
00:25:25.000It has always been about Jesus Christ, that is the person that has always been attacked.
00:25:29.000And so for me, there were things politically that I would say catalyzed the inevitable leaning of me
00:25:37.000into the Catholic faith, and one of the things was just, as you just mentioned, like genocide, right?
00:25:42.000I was severely propagandized in school, everyone was, depends on where you grew up, but we were severely propagandized into this Now I look back and it's an absurd belief that the only people that have ever experienced genocide, it was World War II, it was done by the Nazis, and it happened to the Jews.
00:26:00.000And what that does when you are traumatized in a classroom, and I'm saying traumatized for a reason because these are Soviet tactics, to introduce very heavy, scary concepts to a child traumatizes them.
00:26:12.000Thomas Sowell wrote about this extensively, how the Soviets recognized this, and it leaves an indelible mark on your mind.
00:26:18.000And so it transforms you into a person that defends things in your life that you don't even comprehend, right?
00:26:25.000You have a trigger-friendly, suddenly something happens in Israel, and you're just like, Israel can do whatever they want.
00:26:32.000And actually what I'm doing is I'm responding to a trigger, a childhood trigger.
00:26:37.000Of this fear that's been instilled in me through the three years of programming about the Holocaust, right?
00:26:43.000There's no question that, you know, what the Germans did or the German Nazis did was horrific.
00:26:48.000All things that are done in wars are horrific.
00:26:50.000But then as I started looking back and I stumbled across that BBC documentary, which I am challenging every person to watch, The Savage Peace, and I recognized that a Holocaust was committed against the Germans during peacetime by the Allies.
00:27:12.000This took place in modern Czechoslovakia.
00:27:17.000And to hear the Czech citizens talking about what happened and how they were basically This was done, and a large part of our conditioning in America is to make it so that we never peel back that onion and recognize what we were doing.
00:27:30.000Twelve million Germans were ethnically cleansed.
00:27:35.000They had nothing to do with Adolf Hitler.
00:27:37.000They were removed out of their homes, their belongings were taken, they were lined up, they were shot, and then speech laws were passed so that they could never talk about what they experienced.
00:27:51.000And they're just so grateful because a German friend with me shared what happened to his ancestors during this time.
00:27:57.000And I said, how did you never share this with me?
00:27:59.000You know, there's a fear of talking about what actually happened because of this version of history, which is very slim.
00:28:08.000And if you question that narrative, which I have done and I'm doing, and because it's important for us to know the whole truth, And I want to talk about the way Christians were persecuted, which for some reason really deeply upsets people when you talk about Christian persecution.
00:28:23.000They will attack you with everything that they have.
00:28:24.000I am being attacked every single day, and I've never been more clear, more happy, and have never felt more strength and more certainty in terms of what I'm doing.
00:28:36.000I think, Candice, but when you say that there are unexplored and seldom discussed narratives when it comes to ethnic cleansing or the extermination of peoples, the example you've just given of German-speaking people in Czechoslovakia, It is interesting that that's an argument that's also used by people with regard to this particular issue on the diametrically opposed side in that recent debate between Mehdi Hussein and Douglas Murray, both of whom I think are extremely well-equipped communicators.
00:29:14.000Douglas Murray uses the idea that antisemitism in the sort of common dialectic Highlights Israeli war crimes in a way that this is of course not only his argument but a relatively popular argument in defending Israel's actions if that is indeed what the function of the debate is.
00:29:40.000Is highlighting Israel's actions while ignoring sort of Muslim violence on other Muslims or the genocides in Syria.
00:29:49.000Now, so when we say that the Holocaust is but one example of genocide, that genocide is not an event that was unique to World War II, I think all of us are kind of Peripherally aware of the Uyghurs being persecuted and executed in China or the various Congolese massacres and the Tutsi people across the continent of Africa.
00:30:14.000We're aware that genocide appears to be a part of human history.
00:30:19.000Are you saying that in some way and in particular the idea of holocaust and genocide has been appropriated and used to facilitate Israeli foreign policy?
00:30:35.000And if that is what you're saying I wonder how we look at For example, as a British person, Britain's role in the balkanisation and re-bordering of that region, you know, the Balfour Treaty and the Second World War.
00:30:50.000Because if we're going to start looking at various narratives, which I suppose we must, I suppose we must, then how is it that we find truth there when there are so many, it seems to me at least, potential truths?
00:31:02.000Right, so one of the things that I did when I started becoming interested in this and recognizing that I had been severely lied to, and it was in large part again due to that BBC documentary, The Savage Peace, it's excellent, it's very hard to find, but I've shared it on my Twitter for people that are looking for it, is I wanted to make sure that I was reading sources that would not Be deemed anti-Semitic.
00:31:22.000So I started reading Israeli historians and was very shocked to discover that Theodore Herzl wrote in his book, this is a person who's hailed as a hero, that he would kill as many Jews as he needed to to get Israel established as a state.
00:31:35.000That was just something that he felt was a sacrifice that needed to happen if Israel needed to become a state.
00:31:39.000And you know, this is long before World War II.
00:31:44.000I think absolutely, just to be clear, that genocide and Holocaust has been appropriated to further Israel's interest.
00:31:54.000Right now, there's a clip of me going viral.
00:31:57.000I did an entire episode talking about the German genocide and the German Holocaust, and I raised one issue in that episode, which people should be Confounded by, which is that if Israel is the state that needed to exist, as we are told in America, because of the Holocaust, because Jews needed a home, and because they were put into concentration camps, then why is it that a Jewish man who ran a concentration camp in peacetime and mass murdered Christians in Czechoslovakia, why is it that that man was protected by the state of Israel?
00:32:28.000Even though he was wanted for war crimes.
00:32:31.000I just shared it on my Twitter as well.
00:32:33.000He was protected by them until the day he died.
00:32:35.000There's a lot of criminals who mass murdered Christians who were protected by the state of Israel.
00:32:40.000If you have a right as a Jew to know your history, and I don't doubt that you do, I believe that you do, I've learned your history in the same way that you've learned it.
00:32:46.000I understand that learning your history is traumatic.
00:32:48.000It was traumatic for me to learn it as well.
00:32:51.000Please do not stop Christians from winning their history.
00:32:54.000Why don't we learn about the Bolsheviks?
00:32:56.000Why don't we learn about Henrikh Yagoda?
00:32:58.000He was the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century.
00:33:01.000He was putting Christians into gulags.
00:33:03.000The Bolsheviks were beheading priests.
00:34:19.000You knowing the history is what's wrong if you step outside of the bounds of what we put into your textbook.
00:34:23.000Well, I'm stepping outside of those boundaries.
00:34:26.000I am demanding to know more, and I'm spending a lot of time studying, and I want other people to be encouraged to pursue truth, not what is being told to you in a classroom that is being run like a Soviet propaganda cell.
00:34:39.000You're a phenomenal iconoclast and I suppose early in your career in punditry you addressed the most immediate issue, I suppose, as a black woman talking about the cultural use of blackness and the various political ideas that have been utilized, exploited, criticized, maybe ignored, it depends on your position.
00:35:02.000We've argued about that before in some weird bizarro world where I As a proud black woman to defend the rights of my sisters against you, you racist!
00:35:13.000And now it's like you've moved into a sort of new terrain of iconoclasm.
00:35:19.000And I suppose just to sort of mention in passing, because as you must be, I'm aware Of the avalanche of commentary that will no doubt surround this conversation in success, that might be drawing attention to the distinctions when it comes to the holocaust of matters of race, that the Jews are a race as well as a religion, the concentrated time period and their scale, that all of those issues are probably, you know, that we could spend hours on all of those things.
00:35:46.000But I'm actually very, very interested, Candice, in what you are saying when you talk about the persecution and Execution of Christians.
00:35:57.000Are you suggesting that there is something significant and a story untold when it comes to the persecution of Christians?
00:36:05.000Yes, I believe Christians have been intentionally persecuted and I believe that Christians in the West were not aware of these persecutions because of severe propagandist successful efforts that have happened in our school system and the more that you, like I said, peel back the onion and I've spent time and I know that you know that I was baptized in London I've spent time speaking to a lot of European priests and I believe that Catholics have been holding the candle.
00:36:28.000And when I sat down with one of them, because I wanted to ask every question, you know, and I wanted to, you know, poke the bear, play devil's advocate, say bad things about Catholics and say, well, what about this?
00:36:41.000In this period of study in London and it was just incredible to have this priest, one in particular, look at me and just say, you Americans know nothing.
00:36:50.000I mean, you know nothing about your own history.
00:36:53.000You Christians know nothing in America.
00:36:55.000America has become a playground for Protestantism intentionally because what does the Bible tell us?
00:37:01.000Anything that is not whole necessarily becomes polluted and becomes devilish, right?
00:37:05.000So the idea is to continually divide, right?
00:37:08.000The Christians as being divided amongst thousands of Protestant faiths, all believing my truth, my truth, my truth, which is a form of leftism.
00:37:22.000And I believe that that has always been a threat.
00:37:24.000I believe that all of the wars have been about breaking up Christian empires.
00:37:28.000And when even examining, you know, the start of the Russian Revolution, the assassination of the Tsar, most Americans don't know that, but they do know the part where they're like, well, there were these Jewish pogroms and, you know, Jews left Russia and they came to America.
00:37:41.000Okay, well, how were we able to sift through which Jews that left Russia, as they did, Were the ones that were terrorists who were mass killing Christians.
00:37:56.000When you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and just in the first couple of pages of his book about the gulags, he speaks about how, isn't it amazing that there were trials for the Nazis in the Nuremberg trials, trials, trials, trials, but the Bolsheviks got away with it.
00:38:16.000They got to live out the rest of their lives and die.
00:38:19.000That should make you ask a lot of questions.
00:38:21.000How is it possible that they ran gulags, they created gulag systems, they mass killed Christians, they mass drowned us in barges, they tortured us, and there were no consequences?
00:38:31.000How is it possible when he says that they looked up at the end of World War II and recognized and were able to see people that were going, this is it, the heroes have won, and these people were still being persecuted and mass killed and we did nothing?
00:38:44.000These are questions everybody should want to know.
00:38:46.000You've read in your textbook that we were the heroes, the allies won, we put an end to concentration camps, but we locked arms with Stalin?
00:38:55.000He was able to just go on doing what he was doing?
00:39:16.000Right now we're having children in school that 40% of kids in America cannot pass a basic reading exam.
00:39:24.000So the future will be, I will tell you what history is.
00:39:26.000You won't even be able to read a book.
00:39:27.000At least right now I can go back and I can find old history books and learn more about history and sit down with priests who I believe have been holding the candle for Christians for a very long time.
00:39:36.000In the future, your history will be told to you.
00:39:41.000The Christians are always the bad guys.
00:39:42.000Every time you learn about Christian history, we're always the bad guys.
00:39:45.000You learn about the Spanish Inquisition, we're lied about what actually took place then because it makes Catholics and Christians look bad.
00:39:51.000You know, we're told about the Dark Ages and then the Age of Enlightenment.
00:39:56.000It was an age of remarkable Christian progress, a remarkable Christian experimentation.
00:40:04.000I am just very passionate now about using my platform to awaken Christians around the world because I believe that when Christians are awakened a lot of the evils in the world will stop.
00:40:13.000I wanted to ask you about the Christ is King stuff though because that's another one of those moments that has taken to potentially be anti-semitic, deliberately provocative.
00:40:26.000You did a lot with your eyes there and your eyebrows.
00:40:32.000So can you tell me, and do you sometimes delight in that?
00:40:35.000Do you like saying things that are provocative?
00:40:37.000And if not, why do you keep saying things like, Macron's wife's got a willy, Obama's wife's got... Why do you keep saying everyone's wife's got penises?
00:40:46.000I never said Obama's wife had a penis.
00:41:00.000So to unpack that, first and foremost, I was shocked when Andrew Clavin came out with that episode.
00:41:06.000I guess that was going to be the agreed upon attack on me.
00:41:10.000The ADL on the very same day kind of ran with this Christ is King bit.
00:41:16.000It was a very coordinated attack and I think what it was was that there was actually nothing that I said That you could present to the public as Candace as an awful human being.
00:41:25.000So you just kind of went back and found something and Andrew Klavan went back to a tweet of an actual biblical passage that I shared back in November and said, look, she said Christ is King and this must be a rallying cry.
00:41:37.000And genuinely, I feel bad for him because the backlash was severe and it was swept.
00:41:41.000But that to me is what happens when you just you thought you were going to take on Jesus Christ during Easter week.
00:41:46.000I mean, the whole plan was just weird and maniacal.
00:41:49.000But what I will say is I was so grateful for that because I just saw that I genuinely believe that God inspired Andrew to attack me in that way.
00:42:01.000I see beauty in the way that he attacked me because I was already on this path internally of realizing that I have this platform and I'm a Christian.
00:42:08.000I have not been using this platform to speak about Christianity and I was just becoming more and more committed into my faith and then that attack To me, it was like a sign from God.
00:42:32.000So that was, it was interesting, but I appreciate what he did because it further committed me to my path.
00:42:38.000I genuinely believe God put that in his mind and made him attack me in that way.
00:42:44.000Look, given what you've said about shadow governments and the way that power operates, it seems less and less relevant the differences between someone that might have cultural pedigree or heritage on the left versus on the right.
00:42:56.000And given as well that both of us have come to Christ in the time since we last communicated, the affiliations or affinity with various cultural or political institutions seem less relevant when, of course, the priority becomes a relationship with Christ The willingness to surrender, everything about yourself, the willingness to take on his burden, to carry his cross, to wear his yoke, all of these things now become a priority.
00:43:22.000But I still wonder, Candice, how Given that in the last year, in a way that we hadn't seen before, there are divisions emerging in the anti-establishment space and your story is perhaps the most obvious example of that.
00:43:38.000There was this sort of, let's call it conservative or right-wing movement forming that had a sort of an advocacy expression through Turning Point and had a media presence, most notably through Daily Wire, I think we'd have to say.
00:43:53.000What does this the kind of these recent ramifications suggest and is it possible and is it desirable for us to create new forms of alliance in media as new and independent media increasingly becomes About political advocacy and indeed isn't that why it's being surveilled, censored, shut down, prominent voices being subject to smearing.
00:44:19.000I mean that's what we're kind of obviously experiencing, the legitimization of censorship through new categories like disinformation etc.
00:44:27.000Is there, what do you think the obligation is for us to try to find ways to work together and how possible is that?
00:44:35.000It's very possible, and we just do it.
00:44:37.000I mean, we obviously know who the media fears, the people that they attack the hardest.
00:44:40.000They absolutely detest you because you're not a controlled actor, as you once were, and you're talking about real issues.
00:45:32.000How dare he go out and talk about Putin?
00:45:35.000And the public is aware that there's a reason why we are so successful.
00:45:38.000There's a reason why our podcasts are so successful.
00:45:40.000People are still watching our show because they know they're being lied to by the establishment, and they know that the voices that are willing to keep talking about these topics are the ones that they can trust.
00:45:50.000And so I think in the future, I think next year, I don't know.
00:45:54.000I just think a lot of us are going to come together.
00:45:55.000I think it's going to be like me, you, Tucker, some other independent voices.
00:46:00.000And we're just going to we will be the new media and we'll be independent from one another, but somehow together that that is my vision for the future.
00:46:09.000Steve Bannon is a controversial figure, but he's one of those rare individuals that understands how culture operates.
00:46:14.000Let's have a look now at Steve Bannon's contributions to this conversation, obviously made prior to his incarceration.
00:46:24.000If I've heard you use the phrase techno-feudalism and I think that's what many people wherever they find themselves culturally or politically fear is that we're being guided, manipulated, maneuvered in fact into a new form of globalism where technological power is utilized to control Our consciousness, our understanding of the public sphere, to manipulate consent and communication.
00:46:51.000Can you tell me what you mean by techno-feudalism, how it relates to globalism, and who sits at the top of that baronial class in this model of feudalism?
00:47:01.000Well, if you go back even to the Oxford speech, I tell, I'm kind of calling out younger people who have had a tendency just to vote for progressive neoliberalism, right, and really be led by the cultural side, that you're nothing but Russian serfs.
00:47:16.000You're the equivalent of Russian serfs.
00:47:18.000You don't own anything and you're not going to own anything.
00:47:21.000The triad that controls The deal is really what I call the easy money overlords of Wall Street or the City of London or Frankfurt or, you know, Tokyo, Shanghai, but particularly the City of London and Wall Street.
00:47:35.000Then you have the corporatists, both the American corporatists, but also the multinational corporatists.
00:47:40.000And on top of that, you've got what I call the sociopathic tech overlords.
00:47:44.000And right now, we basically have passed, I think, late-stage capitalism.
00:47:52.000I think you saw that that was kind of the collapse in 2008.
00:47:55.000And you've seen the rise since then of what I call techno feudalism, which is now we're basically going back to almost the Middle Ages in a feudal society where you're a digital surf.
00:48:11.000And as long as you don't come off of the being an indentured servant or being a serf, you can get along.
00:48:17.000But once you stray outside this and you saw a perfect example, and I think it was one of your great awakenings was during the pandemic of what you saw about what public health officials did and kind of the combination of big tech Working with big government and of course the biopharmaceutical industrial complex, that was a perfect example of techno-feudalism.
00:48:37.000And unless we start to break this by democratic means, that means the ballot box and people getting very focused on after you have victories of how you start to take apart these apparatuses, then I think this world is really headed to a new dark age.
00:48:53.000What do we do about the big tech monopolies and their evident, and indeed we've touched upon it, albeit fleetingly, ability to control and censor open conversation and free speech?
00:49:07.000Europe is starting, but I think you're seeing here, even the TikTok debate, these entities have to, first of all, two things have to happen.
00:49:14.000Number one, you have to begin the breakup, like you broke up the Bell system and other massive communications platforms we have.
00:49:22.000These companies have to be broken up into smaller pieces.
00:49:25.000We have to get back to their entrepreneurial benefit, not almost their state capitalism controls.
00:49:31.000Number two, a whole series of rights, I think people's digital selves Right now, I think that people have a, you have an analog self and you have a digital self.
00:49:40.000The digital self is almost raped and pillaged economically.
00:49:43.000I think that that has to be much more controlled by the individual, that they're going to actually give those rights and those rights are going to have certain economic benefits to them.
00:49:55.000The other thing is I took a couple of simple things.
00:49:57.000Number one, I think all TV advertising, like for pharmaceuticals, and I think in Canada and Britain, you don't have it.
00:50:03.000In the United States, MSNBC and CNN is virtually, if you cut it on, it's virtually a little bit of news between a biopharmaceutical advertisement, right?
00:50:16.000I think all types of programming, all types of almost political support for that has to come away.
00:50:22.000You have to restrict your ability to advertise.
00:50:25.000You have to, same with the defense industry.
00:50:27.000You cut on these Sunday shows and the thought-provoking shows in the United States, it's always a Grumman, or it's always Northrop, or it's always the defense contractors.
00:50:37.000You have to get their money out of politics to have a fighting chance.
00:50:41.000Then we have to have very tough antitrust, and I mean antitrust to the last part of breaking it down.
00:50:46.000Now, the hardest part, and the one that overlays our entire conversation we haven't gotten into, maybe it'll be next time, this whole issue of transhumanism.
00:50:55.000We are literally, I think, five or six years away from the singularity.
00:51:01.000That's the convergence of CRISPR, biotechnology, quantum computing, advanced chip design, regenerative robotics, artificial intelligence, where on this side you have Homo sapien, you have humanity.
00:51:15.000On the other side, at minimum, you have Humanity Plus, or what they call Enhanced Man, and I actually think leading to Homo Sapien 2.0.
00:51:25.000That is the brightest line we've ever had in since recorded history.
00:51:29.000It's going to happen in your, not just your audience's lifetime, it's going to be a major political issue in the next three to five years.
00:51:36.000That's why we must break the tech oligarch state.
00:51:39.000I am a proud, what I call Neo-Luddite.
00:51:44.000I am all for, I would have treaties and stop this immediately because I think what's happening in transhumanism right now, led by artificial intelligence, and you see the flood to capital and artificial intelligence, well once that happens it gets out of control.
00:51:57.000There are things that are going to happen that are so far beyond the Shire's ability to control it.
00:52:03.000That'll make a farce of everything else we're working on.
00:52:06.000All the other populist structures we put in it, things to try to get down to subsidiarity, it'll be overwhelmed by this.
00:52:12.000And I'm to the point, I believe, of some of these guys that you have to have actual, if you need to, direct military intervention into data centers, water supplies that would supply this.
00:52:23.000What is happening behind the scenes in these big research labs, what's happening behind the scenes in these big companies, and what's happening overseas in places like South Korea, North Korea, Romania, Russia, China, the CCP.
00:52:37.000You have no idea how advanced some of this stuff is and how it's hurting.
00:52:41.000Once it comes, it's going to be too late to control.
00:52:44.000On top of all the issues we have, trying to take back and trying to not be tech-feudalistic, On top of that is really what could be the end of the human era.
00:52:55.000And I think that's why to be alive today is to say, hey, Divine Providence put me here for a reason, right?
00:53:01.000For every one of your audience members, what is that reason?
00:53:04.000And I think the greatest epoch in mankind's history in the, what, 10,000 years or 15,000 years or 20,000 years is about to be upon us, and I think in the next five.
00:53:14.000If we are indeed facing something as apocalyptic and isypocal as the end of human supremacy and the ability to control reality into the scale that you've just described, don't our political and cultural affiliations that have either been formed around agriculture, i.e.
00:53:32.000monotheistic Abrahamic faiths, Or are the political ideologies that have emerged from industrialisation, i.e.
00:53:40.000capitalism and all of its late and failing expressions, or socialism and all of its derivatives, somewhat redundant, and all and we be looking for extreme subsidiarity as local as possible, new alliances to oppose that potential immediately, because I believe you that it's a real threat.
00:53:59.000This is what I think you're awakening your show, other shows, War Room, and remember, we have a principally a conservative, blue-collar, deeply religious audience.
00:54:10.000They would rather watch Russell Brand and our audience watches you more than they watch Fox News, right?
00:54:19.000Innately know something's up and that's why populism is getting to be that people are putting their time into populism and trying to put in time at the school boards, at the district level to take things back because they understand there's a dark specter that's over us.
00:54:34.000And the only way to combat that, you're not going to combat that with equal structures.
00:54:38.000It has to be, if it's going to be defeated, it has to be defeated by essentially an uprising of the Shire.
00:54:45.000I mean, is this not what Lord of the Rings was about?
00:54:47.000I mean, remember, Tolkien was, it was the trenches of World War I. We saw the inhumanity of the mechanized German army and what happened to the basic You know, British Tommy and those great, you know, working men that he'd seen from the Shire and the destruction and how much agony it caused when he went back home.
00:55:06.000That's what gave him the whole vision of it.
00:55:08.000That's to me the vision of the Neo-Luddite movement.
00:55:14.000I'm anti-out-of-control technology that could end mankind.
00:55:18.000And we're playing right now with fire and we're empowering Because it comes with so much money, and I just go back to... Remember, Chad GPT just happened.
00:55:27.000It was just revealed in Davos last year, 14 months ago.
00:55:32.000Right now, you have Sam Altman trying to raise $7 trillion, and people are not laughing.
00:55:36.000They're not saying he's going to raise it, but they're not laughing it off like it's ridiculous.
00:56:30.000I think I'm one of the leaders of the movement, and I can't really give you any more depth and explanation than Russell Brand, who's also one of the leaders of this.
00:56:39.000So, it's all a warning right now, as humanity is under pressure to essentially be overwhelmed by enhanced humanity, controlled by the ultimate puppet masters.
00:56:53.000Well, firstly, Steve, we've got to brainstorm the name because I bow to no one in my admiration for Ned Ludd and his attacks on industrialization and his understanding of what it was about to do to the peasant class of the United Kingdom.
00:57:07.000But the Neo-Luddite movement, you've got to come up with some more White House gear that's going to be a little more catchy.
00:57:15.000While we're using image systems that are derived from early political structures, i.e.
00:57:22.000neo-feudalism and techno-feudalism rather, it seems to me that what we are actually being opposed by now is something that is a dark power but, and yet, Luciferian.
00:57:32.000We are talking about the apex of evil, potentially, and I believe that, as you indicated earlier, that to oppose that, you're not going to be able to bolt something together from these sort of half-arsed, neoliberal, secularised, rationalistic structures.
00:57:46.000You're going to have to reach down into the very thing that makes us human, our The realization of the divine, the expression of God, God's self, living Christ on earth, transcendence of the individual self, and a willingness to sacrifice all in order to carry the great fight.
00:58:03.000Now if we are gonna practice that kind of a war, Doesn't it seem that economic models that are somewhat, if not arcane, arcane's not the right word, nostalgic, are they going to be enough to get people up on their feet and out onto the street?
00:58:18.000And can I add to that question, do you really believe that Trump is about to impose the kind of demonopolising regulations that are required across the big tech?
00:58:26.000Finance and military industrial complex spaces?
00:58:29.000Or will he, when in office, as he has been in 2016, ultimately find himself bound and held in the chokehold structures that exist only to perpetuate their own existence?
00:58:39.000But I believe sometimes, Steve, on both sides.
00:58:43.000If you want to know what a Trump presidency is going to be like, look at the Trump presidency there's already been.
00:58:49.000I feel that we have to break beyond these models and my willingness to even look at something as sanctified, though it need not be so, as the Westphalian Treaty and the idea of nation, is because we have got to unlock something extremely powerful, Steve!
01:00:27.000A generation of innovation, as long as this time we do it right and we don't let technology spin out of control, spin out of control of the people's ability to do it.
01:00:36.000And like I said, this is all, and I use Neil Luddite as the best term I can come up with, but you bring up a great point.
01:00:49.000I am 100% confident, not just in Trump returning to power, but that the populist movement in Europe and other places in the United States will start to take on the vested interests of corporate power and the financial power of the City of London and Wall Street.
01:01:05.000I tell everybody all the time, I am not I'm overly optimistic on the issue about transhumanism and to take that on.
01:01:13.000And I'm a fighter that can often see the sunlit uplands.
01:01:16.000On this one, it's being formed right now and it's going to be a fight because the power in it is so ultimately powerful.
01:01:26.000It's so much money and power for these tech oligarchs to control essentially what it is to be human.
01:01:32.000What it means to be have immortal life, what it means to actually be human, to create, to step into the purpose of God.
01:01:39.000Remember, I'm a Catholic, so as a believer in the Judeo-Christian West, I believe we're made in the image and likeness of God, and the one thing I always refer to is the most difficult verse in the New Testament in the Gospel of Mark when the apostles, he sent the disciples, the apostles out very early in Mark to go out and to cure the blind and to heal the sick and make the lame walk and they come back to him and he said, how'd it go?
01:02:05.000And they go, it was good, we did all these things.
01:02:07.000But the people said, people were saying, We weren't good guys, and you weren't God.
01:02:12.000They were saying you were Baals above, and we're just taking the power of the devil and doing this.
01:02:17.000And Christ tells them, He says, hey, don't worry about what people call you.
01:03:21.000Do you ever wonder how social media power could be deployed to disrupt existing political systems?
01:03:28.000It seems like a crazy endeavor, yet it's already happened.
01:03:30.000Remember when Trump first used Twitter?
01:03:33.000People were like, he shouldn't be allowed to use Twitter!
01:03:35.000And now we have presidents just resigning on X and disappearing ethereally, never to be seen again, just to exist as a disembodied voice somewhere.
01:03:43.000Now we have Some, and you know I think there are a few, but perhaps the most prominent social media commentator-cum-politician is Cyprus' own Phidias, who won the popular vote to become a member of the European Parliament in his country and then promptly went about revealing exactly the kind of hypocrisy and corruption we've long suspected.
01:04:04.000This man can call Ursula von der Leyen his boss, the woman that did private tech deals with Albert Baller of Pfizer to the tune of millions, some of which may have raised questions and indeed eyebrows, particularly when you consider her husband runs a big pharma company.
01:04:20.000So much to explore and explore all of it with Phidias, who could be the future of popular politics.
01:04:27.000Join us tomorrow for that conversation.