In this episode, Russell Brand sits down with journalist Michael Schellenberger to discuss the COVID inquiry in the UK, and why he thinks we are sleepwalking into a state of compliance with the censorship industrial complex. They discuss the role of NGOs and think tanks in stifling dissent, and how they use their influence to stifle freedom of speech and freedom of the press. They also discuss how the censorship Industrial Complex works and why we should all be concerned about what they are doing to us, and what we can do to fight back. This episode is sponsored by Rumble, and is available in Kindle, iBook, Paperback, Hardcover, Audio Book, and Audio only version of the Kindle format. Please consider becoming a subscriber to Rumble if you want access to all of the best original Kindle products, including the iBook and Paperback edition of the Hardcover edition of The Dark Side Of. Kindle, which is available for purchase on amazon, amazon and amazon.co.uk. Kindle $9.99, hardcover $99, paperback $99.99 or hardcover 99.99 and hardcover 49.99. Audio Book is also available for free. Audio only $19.99 at amazon Prime, Audible, and Audible Free, which includes Audible and Kindle Free, with Audible membership trial pricing of $29.99/ Audible free, and a monthly fee of $99/Vimeo Free, plus shipping + shipping + Vimeo membership, plus a free trial of $49.99 for Audible Prime membership and Vimeo Prime membership, and 7 other major platforms. . , Vimeo is selling a copy of the book, for $99 or Audible starting at $99 a month. Vimeo + Audible. Audible is also selling a limited edition edition edition of my book called "The Dark Side of the Dark Side." of course! the book I'm working on the book. I'm a veteran, and I could never be a veteran on this book, so I'm blue, I'm looking for the steel . and I'm not a vet, but I could not be a vet? I'll be looking for a book on the future. We'll be working on a book, too, so you'll get a copy, too! I can't wait to hear back from you, too much we're looking for you!
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00:02:24.000today, my friend and free speech advocate, Michael Schellenberger. Michael, thanks
00:02:33.000Michael, it's been an extraordinary couple of weeks.
00:02:37.000Many of the things we discussed when we met months ago to talk about the censorship industrial complex have become, I suppose, more severe.
00:02:46.000Events in Ireland, events in the United Kingdom, Canada, the revelation that the Emergency Act was illegally evoked, the attempts to introduce Vague and peculiar hate speech laws.
00:02:59.000I understand that comparable things are happening in Brazil according to a recent piece I read on Public.
00:03:06.000Do you feel that people are beginning to understand how critical the issue of censorship is now or do you feel that we are sleepwalking into a state of compliance?
00:03:19.000I mean, I think that we are becoming more aware of how the censorship industrial complex operates.
00:03:25.000And so we are much more quickly able to identify what's happening in different countries, whether it's Germany or Brazil or Canada.
00:03:34.000We're seeing very similar institutions, Soros Foundation, the Omidyar Philanthropies.
00:03:41.000We see intelligence agencies, the FBI, for example, showed up in Brazil in this analysis of Brazil.
00:03:48.000We see them engaging in very similar behaviors, seeking to demonize ordinary folks with very reasonable demands, whether it's Canadian truckers or German farmers, as far right, which is basically code for calling them Nazis.
00:04:05.000And these are people that are demanding things like You know, these farmers in Germany make less money than the average German citizen, and they're protesting an increase in energy costs.
00:04:14.000That's a concern that most Germans share.
00:04:17.000And so you see this effort to sort of demonize them.
00:04:21.000They'll say, oh, we discovered some internal messages on Telegram, and we found that they were involved in COVID You know, denialism and Russian disinformation basically suggesting that all the farmers are far right and fascist.
00:04:39.000Similar tactics we see in Brazil, where they've sought to label people with very reasonable concerns.
00:04:46.000So I think we're much more, we have greater, as our opponents say, we have greater situational awareness.
00:04:51.000Of what the censorship industrial complex is doing, and I think that's becoming turning to our favor, and you just see a lot of concern across the West around huge numbers of border crossings, large challenges of integrating immigrants.
00:05:05.000So clearly, as you were saying on Tucker recently, there's a lot of chaos in the system right now.
00:05:12.000And so I think 1 of the things that's going for.
00:05:15.000You know, popular movements is that there's broader recognition in the society that things aren't going well and that the elites have done a poor job of managing our societies.
00:05:25.000When it comes to the question of censorship, the fundamental question I suppose we have to ask is, are they asking for the legislative ability to censor in order to protect us, or in order to support their own agenda?
00:05:41.000And it seems almost absurd to me that anyone would think that the former was in any way plausible, but then we all consume quite Varied and distinct media these days.
00:05:53.000I just watched a piece, I think, on a British corporate media outlet where a former government general, and I'm going to take a wild guess and say current board member of some weapons manufacturer, advocated strongly for an increase in budget for defence in the UK, advocated for conscription, and it was all presented as news when it's like plainly Advocacy for a particular set of policy.
00:06:20.000So when it comes to, for example, the now somewhat famous Barack Obama Stanford speech where he said the problem with independent media is even if you don't believe these conspiracy theories, they muddy the water.
00:06:34.000That's why they should be able to censor.
00:06:37.000It seems to me that the opposite is true.
00:06:39.000They are able to propagate such consistent and ubiquitous messaging through their many channels that used to be opposed and now as the TNI themselves admit are aligned in their war against independent media that we sort of are unable to galvanize the level of outrage that will be appropriate given what we're facing.
00:07:02.000I think that the broad concern from elites is the lack of control over independent media, in particular, the lack of control over social media.
00:07:12.000And so you saw a very deliberate effort really coming out of 2016.
00:07:16.000It preceded it, but really it was Brexit and Trump that really resulted in FBI, CIA, the organizations that governments support, all these different NGOs whose names we can't even remember because they come, they pop up, they disappear.
00:07:32.000We're tracking more of the people now because it's easier to track the people.
00:07:36.000They create these little groups that last for a year or two, then they disappear, demanding more censorship by social media platforms.
00:07:42.000Obviously they had succeeded until Elon Musk took over Twitter, and so now they're attacking Elon Musk.
00:07:48.000Regularly because they want to get control over that platform.
00:07:52.000There's a sort of desperation to them.
00:07:54.000There's a kind of desperate quality to it.
00:07:56.000Every single opportunity they have, they use as a reason to demand more censorship.
00:08:01.000So whether it's the German farmers protesting, whether it's the Canadian truckers, whether it's COVID.
00:08:07.000Whether it's climate change, whether it's the war in Ukraine, they're absolutely obsessed with gaining control.
00:08:14.000The other thing that we've noticed, we actually went and identified that the discipline, the message discipline that the censorship industrial complex has, they're very obsessed with Russia.
00:08:26.000They really want to frame their opponents as Russian.
00:08:30.000They also want to frame their opponents as fascist and Nazis, so they continue to do
00:09:08.000You want to go gather evidence to support Or to contradict your theories.
00:09:14.000But what they're trying to do is to get people to not think.
00:09:16.000And that's why they're emphasizing so much this new one.
00:09:19.000They're really emphasizing media literacy.
00:09:23.000The Canadian government in particular wants to put money into government-funded media outlets.
00:09:28.000Already the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation does this.
00:09:30.000You see it in the United States as well.
00:09:32.000A very heavy hand in various You know, NPR, Voice of America, you know, they want to push these sort of certified organizations, and they use NewsGuard, Global Disinformation Index, and others to demand that the advertisers boycott independent media.
00:09:48.000So they're absolutely obsessed with controlling the information environment.
00:09:53.000And it sounds crazy to say it, but it's absolutely accurate to say they want mind control.
00:10:01.000They want to control how people think.
00:10:03.000They want to control people's behaviors.
00:10:06.000This is just an obsession of the elites, and it doesn't matter whether it's 2016, 2017, 2018, 2024.
00:10:13.000This is where they're headed, and they have to stamp out dissent, stamp out independent voices.
00:10:17.000And so you're going to see this constantly.
00:10:19.000The only hope we have is to identify early what they're doing, expose it, describe how they're doing it, describe how it's pathological, how it's tied up to intelligence agencies.
00:10:32.000It's to get what they call and what we're calling situational awareness of their disinformation efforts.
00:10:39.000There are a bewildering set of alliances forming and it's difficult to track a gender emerging.
00:10:45.000When you talk about this obsession with Russia, I'm reminded of a recent interview I saw with Nancy Pelosi where she said that anti-war protests, even if they were regarding the Middle Eastern wars, were playing into the hands of Putin, even speculating that these protests might somehow be funded by Putin and sort of Russian disinformation organisations.
00:11:12.000She even had the gall to say that the funding should be investigated, when if anyone's funding
00:11:16.000should be investigated, it's Nancy Pelosi's.
00:11:19.000How is it that Nancy Pelosi is someone where you could sit down on a Tuesday night and
00:11:23.000watch a Netflix documentary enshrining her as a kind of living symbol of progress, a
00:11:30.000kind of hero of liberalism, and you can hear her talking in such odd... and then you can
00:11:37.000hear on the news attacking a civil rights movement, an anti-war movement, as if the
00:11:44.00060s never happened, as if being pro-free speech and anti-war wasn't just 20 years ago a liberal
00:11:55.000The fact that because there are no genuine principles being practiced, you can just mobilize and move this mosaic of ideas to create whatever pattern is convenient to generate, as you say, control.
00:12:08.000Last time we talked, we were talking about the vagueness of hate laws, the vagueness of the description of what constitute hate speech in Ireland.
00:12:16.000I know that you've been writing about censorship laws in Brazil now.
00:12:21.000You know, there are agricultural movements across the world because farmers in Sri Lanka, India, Germany, the Netherlands and Scotland all seem to be experiencing the same problem.
00:12:29.000And the same rhetoric is being deployed against them.
00:12:32.000And with the subject of censorship, similar, I think in your article, or certainly in the article of one of your colleagues, you say something like, eerily similar legislation being imposed in Brazil, in Ireland, in Canada, UK.
00:12:44.000Tell me, where do you think this is emanating from?
00:12:48.000Is it like these groups that are around Soros?
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00:13:50.000I mean, we wrote, yeah, eerily similar is the words that keep coming up.
00:13:54.000Because, you know, most Americans, we don't pay a lot of attention to other countries.
00:13:57.000We're sort of famous for being very provincial in that way.
00:14:00.000But as soon as you start looking at Germany, you look at Brazil, it's the same institutions, Soros, Omidyar, State Department funded NGOs, which are often controlled by or influenced by the CIA.
00:14:13.000The CIA used to try to control and overthrow governments Using labor unions as labor unions have declined.
00:15:06.000If somebody is angry or somebody says, I think we're having trouble absorbing all the immigrants that we've been, you know, the fourfold increase of border crossings in the United States.
00:15:16.000I mean, That's something that very progressive Democrat mayors of Chicago and New York are raising the alarm about.
00:15:23.000Well, are those, are they filled with hate?
00:15:25.000If I say so, yes, and then they should be censored.
00:15:28.000So you clearly, you're seeing, and you know, you're getting people like, you know, Brennan and Hayden, the former directors of the CIA who sit on the boards of big organizations like the Atlantic Council, making what often seem like left-wing arguments, You know, the need for, you know, fighting hate, fighting racial intolerance, but then also making what you might consider more right-wing arguments, or at least used to be considered right-wing arguments, about Russian influence.
00:15:53.000And I think that these messages are not, it's not accidental.
00:15:56.000I point out at one of the articles, we point out that there's other arguments you could make against populism, since these are fundamentally counter-populist movements.
00:16:05.000You might say that populism is inefficient, that globalization is better for the economy.
00:16:10.000But what's so interesting is they're not making that argument.
00:16:12.000They're really wanting to focus on these deeper messages.
00:16:17.000And I think it's because they have decided that they're doing particular work with particular constituencies.
00:16:23.000So I think that the Russia framing actually is really aimed at people that are traditionally on the right, since the Russians have been demonized for so long.
00:16:30.000You see the never Trump Republicans often using that.
00:16:33.000I think that the anti-hate speech stuff is aimed at the left.
00:16:37.000So I think you get these different messages aimed at different groups.
00:16:58.000People want to say a million different things.
00:17:00.000These organizations and these initiatives are so disciplined.
00:17:03.000You know, when we were together in London, I compared it to sort of an intelligence operation from like one of the Bourne Identity movies, where they're so disciplined.
00:17:12.000Everybody knows what they're supposed to do.
00:17:13.000They know what they're supposed to say.
00:17:15.000They don't veer from it because they're in a military hierarchy.
00:17:20.000In fact, we did find With the CTIL files last fall or last December, November, December, we found the military in Britain and the military in the United States clearly involved in pushing these initiatives and, in fact, created a handbook for pushing them.
00:17:35.000So, yeah, we're looking clearly at militaries and intelligences and intelligence communities working together around the world, particularly through the five eyes, English speaking nations, but also Brazil, to basically push the same strategies of censorship and disinformation The same institutions.
00:17:56.000It's very, very dangerous because obviously we're at a disadvantage given our limited resources against all of the major governments of the world.
00:18:04.000In fact, our only option is popular uprising, mass disobedience, simultaneous awakening.
00:18:13.000I'm very interested in these temporary, almost pop-up agencies that are used by governments as proxies to crush dissent.
00:18:25.000This is one of the subjects of our recent conversation on Tucker.
00:18:30.000Logically, AI is one such who I think targeted you, certainly targeted me, Jay Bhattacharya,
00:18:38.000among others, Moderna, I have agencies that track people, logically AI,
00:18:44.000it seems like, as you say, sometimes it feels like a quite diffuse agenda,
00:18:51.000but due to the variety of subjects they're willing to attack on,
00:18:54.000but plainly it is about asserting control.
00:18:58.000How is it that people can be galvanised, educated and informed,
00:19:04.000when there's this odd combination of, they're tediously bureaucratic, technocratic, temporary and
00:20:02.000What do you think about these new alliances and how do we grow them and how do we become
00:20:09.000effective when what we oppose is by its, not by its nature but apparently seems at least
00:20:14.000now to be so sort of diffuse and difficult to track?
00:20:17.000All these weird little NGOs and think tanks funded by governments and stuff.
00:20:22.000Yeah, it's such an important question.
00:20:24.000So one of the first things that my friend and colleague Matt Taibbi, the journalist, did when we first were discovering the censorship industrial complex, I think it was like last spring or summer, is they created a report of all the censorship organizations.
00:21:04.000But we realized that actually tracking the organizations wasn't enough.
00:21:07.000We are now tracking the people, because what you see is the people pop up in one organization and then they go quiet for a little bit, like that Homer Simpson gif, he goes back into the hedge, and then they come back into some other organization.
00:21:21.000And then we're trying to track the people, but then we think the really fundamental thing to track are the disinformation campaigns that the elites They would call them influence operations or information operations.
00:21:57.000So we're trying to really do it at three different levels.
00:21:59.000The people, the organizations, and the campaigns that they run.
00:22:03.000We think that just having awareness of it, so that when people see it, they go, oh, that sounds like something that might be coming from the intelligence community, or that sounds like something that we might have seen Russell Brand or Matt Taibbi or Mike Schellenberger write about.
00:22:25.000They sometimes call it pre-bunking or inoculating people against fake news.
00:22:28.000We need to inoculate our followers and listeners to these government-run and initiated influence operations.
00:22:37.000We need people to know they are trying to control how you think.
00:22:40.000They're trying to control the information environment.
00:22:42.000Here's the characteristics of that that you should be looking for.
00:22:46.000And one of the characteristics about that we wrote about last year a couple of times, so happy to see you on Tucker to talk about this, is their demonization efforts.
00:22:54.000If you have a populist voice who's growing in power, and the three big ones are you, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, they will come after you just no, you know, no holds barred.
00:23:05.000They'll come after you like you're a political candidate.
00:23:07.000That's what they're doing, and that's the same strategy that obviously political consultants use to attack their opponents.
00:23:13.000It's also the strategy that the intelligence community has used.
00:23:40.000So every time we can expose the behavior of these government officials engaging in politics, I think we're actually doing a real service for a lot.
00:23:47.000I mean, you guys have had to pay a heavy price They've certainly come after me too.
00:23:51.000They'll keep coming after folks, but I think you have to draw attention to what they're doing because I think that inoculates the public to some of the effects of it.
00:23:59.000Attica69 in the chat right now, what a great fucking point.
00:24:13.000And I read this, I read the comments and people are like, that's bullshit, that's bullshit, propaganda, propaganda.
00:24:18.000Like the one I noticed was Channel 4 did a news piece that was on excess deaths Call sort of like sudden death syndrome, and I may get some of the details wrong here, but we did a video on it, and it was a video where like, you know, this is the tone, it's British media, so it's like, people are suddenly having heart attacks and collapsing for no reason.
00:24:39.000No one knows what it could be, but this phenomena has come around since around 2020, 2021, right?
00:24:46.000Every single comment is, we know what's causing this, We know what you're doing.
00:24:50.000We know, like, I didn't find one comment that was like, oh, I wonder what this could be?
00:24:55.000I remember another story where a Facebook whistleblower, this is about three years ago, so I was on the beginning of my journey of operating in these kind of media spaces, Michael, and we did a story going, oh, this is brave, this Facebook whistleblower coming forward, and all of our comments were, nah, this woman's being used so that they can control and manage individual accounts.
00:25:14.000This won't lead to infrastructural change within Facebook.
00:25:17.000This is about being able to censor and control.
00:25:22.000Hopefully we've bloody well caught up with them by now, but certainly, like, you know, I am very heartened by, and even with the personal experiences and personal attacks recently, like, When I go out, look, I might get a different experience in, sort of, Manhattan or certain parts of London, but, you know, when I'm out with normal people, people go, alright, Russell, keep your head up, chest out, son!
00:25:43.000Like, people don't, they're losing control.
00:25:49.000And it's because of, thank you for listing me in such an illustrious company, but what I always cite, they're real journalists who operate with integrity, that show they're working out, that bring receipts, that do the research, that help us to make the connections.
00:26:00.000Like yourself and the colleague that you've listed, the great so-called journalist Matt Taibbi, for educating a, you know, a media class within which I'm happy to be included.
00:26:12.000I remember, mate, when you told us about the pre-bunking that went on with the Hunter Biden laptop story, that in advance news organizations were told, listen, we've got this disinformation coming your way, just so you know in advance to ignore it before it hits you.
00:26:26.000I also, with regard to what you're saying about Track the individuals within these little Soros or Atlantic organizations.
00:26:33.000I remember when I see Victoria Nuland, it's a slightly different thing because it's in the world of diplomacy, but like Victoria Nuland cropping up talking about biolabs in Ukraine that only become dangerous when Russians get control of them, but were not dangerous when they were controlled by Americans in Russia, and that she's worked with The Obama administration, the Bush administration, now works with this administration.
00:26:58.000You start to realise, oh wow, no, there are these sort of, this zealig army of the bureaucrats and mandarins that are operating and manoeuvring power outside of the spotlight that temporarily shines on the waxen and cadaverous face of the current incumbent of the White House.
00:27:16.000That we're starting, because of the speed of the discourse now, to be able to sort of go, no wait a minute, this is gonna be like, say the Nord Stream Pipeline was a really obvious one.
00:27:27.000As soon as it happened, you're like, fuck off.
00:27:29.000And like, they couldn't even keep pace with the, with the opposition and dissent.
00:27:37.000Yeah, I think that's totally, those are all great examples.
00:27:39.000I mean, there's definitely something going on with Russia, I don't totally understand.
00:27:43.000We've talked, you talked about that earlier in our conversation, you talked about how Obama goes and gives a speech one week before they, in early 2022, before they announced the Disinformation Governance Board in the United States, one week, clearly preparing the conversation for that introduction.
00:27:59.000He does it at Stanford with the former Russia ambassador named Michael McFaul, Who works for Michael McFaul, the Stanford Internet Observatory, which is one of the main censorship organizations, a former CIA fellow who's really runs it off, you know, who was working with Obama.
00:28:15.000So, you know, she was supposedly just, oh, I'm just an ordinary tech executive, suddenly found herself fighting ISIS, you know, and in the White House with Obama.
00:28:23.000I mean, clearly an intelligence operative.
00:28:26.000So you see clearly something going on with Russia.
00:28:29.000There's a strategy to use Russia in some geopolitical sense that I don't think I've completely come to understand.
00:28:35.000I think some of it has to do with they want to label domestic populists, people like you or people, you know, Trump supporters in particular, but even we saw with Brexit, they want to label populists as foreigners.
00:28:49.000It's quite brilliant because, of course, the famous political advice from Karl Rove, who is George W. Bush's political consultant, he said, attack your opponent's strength.
00:28:58.000Well, so what they're doing is they're saying that populism is foreign.
00:30:31.000All of the text messages of the Secret Service have been deleted.
00:30:37.000All of the cell phone data that would cover the person that they have on video supposedly
00:30:43.000planting the bomb has been corrupted, and the videos are sort of suddenly missing.
00:30:48.000So we have the FBI, the Capitol Police, and the Secret Service involved in a huge cover-up
00:30:56.000and potentially participating in the actual creation of the fake bombs in the first place.
00:31:01.000This is sinister at a whole other level.
00:31:04.000That's probably one of the biggest things we've discovered.
00:31:06.000We haven't even had a chance to talk about it yet.
00:31:08.000But for us, the orchestration of January 6th to make it look like it was an attempt to
00:31:14.000overthrow the government, as opposed to what it was, which was the withdrawing of security,
00:31:19.000the holding back of the National Guard, the construction of a fake bomb hoax, and the
00:31:24.000participation and the continued cover-up by our government agencies.
00:31:28.000I think it's one of the biggest scandals in American political life ever, not just in the last few years.
00:31:33.000How does it make you feel to have to discuss that in legitimate and empirical terms when if you were to put on MSNBC that would be used almost as the bullseye of MAGA?
00:31:47.000Look, you know, Jan 6 was an insurrection, they would tell you.
00:31:51.000That it was racist, it was violent, it was the worst homeland event since 9-11.
00:31:57.000Like, to hear it spoken of... So, like, what I find very striking is that they're That these formerly regarded as rational news spaces are themselves hysterical whilst condemning extremism.
00:32:12.000But hysteria is by its nature a kind of extreme form of emotion and an extreme form of expression.
00:32:20.000But whenever you hear footage missing, text messages deleted,
00:32:25.000person that finds it has affiliation with the FBI, FBI have a long history of comparable false flag operations,
00:33:00.000These are... We're being invited to participate in a plain illusion and we're the ones that are gaslit as nutjobs and extremists.
00:33:13.000Indeed, that's what Tucker pointed out about the participation of voices like my own, and I expect he would extend that to you, as people that have a degree of cultural capital or credibility in spaces that are beyond conservatism, or what would be known as the right, are particularly loathed and likely to be subject to attack because we reach audiences that are demographically meaningful.
00:33:41.000I mean, I think that just to go to the January 6th story for one more minute, I mean, the establishment wanted to construct a conspiracy theory.
00:33:50.000Their conspiracy theory is that there was a coup attempt on January 6th.
00:33:56.000The evidence all showed the opposite, that you have Trump telling people to go home.
00:34:02.000He literally goes on video and records a video saying, go home.
00:34:07.000Anybody that knows how coups work, we did a video on this, but I mean, if you look around the world at coups, the military needs to be on your side.
00:34:21.000Literally, it was Trump and some of his supporters The leaders of Congress, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell at the time, they refused a request from the Capitol Police to have more security in the form of National Guard.
00:34:33.000So they literally defunded the police security in advance of January 6th.
00:34:39.000We know there were over 200 confidential human sources working for the federal government, meaning paid agents of the federal government in the crowd, 200 of them, almost certainly playing a role of instigating the riot that occurred.
00:35:57.000The Washington Post did do a big story about how the Secret Service.
00:36:01.000Lost all of the text messaging data between its agents on January 6th.
00:36:08.000So there are certain flaws in their story.
00:36:10.000I think that things are falling apart.
00:36:13.000A year ago I came on your show and I pointed out that You know, basically you and Glenn Beck had killed the World Economic Forum because no heads of state wanted to go anymore.
00:36:33.000You see that you, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson are bigger than ever.
00:36:37.000Our journalism is reaching more people than ever.
00:36:39.000So I do think that the establishment is in a state of panic and they're not really sure what to do.
00:36:46.000I think the big event we haven't talked about, but obviously is hanging over all this, is that Elon Musk made Twitter turn into X, made it a free speech platform.
00:36:55.000So now actually you can get true information out there that really we weren't able to do before.
00:37:00.000So I think we are headed for a period of significant change and potentially chaos now that people are allowed to actually hear and get information that they weren't allowed to get just a year and a half ago.
00:37:13.000Yet we still have growing support for censorship by government and big tech in accompaniment to these censorship laws that are being lobbied for or passed around the world.
00:38:02.000But I think that maybe the scariest is that Pew graph that asks People whether they would support government involvement in censoring speech online.
00:38:13.000There's a significant increase the general population, but when you break it down there was basically no change in support among Republicans for censorship.
00:38:23.000With Democrats, sadly, the numbers rose from around 40% in the year 2018 to 70% last year.
00:38:34.000That's such a shocking increase, Russell.
00:38:36.000Polling, public opinion tends to change slowly because people don't change their minds very often.
00:38:41.000It tends to change slowly like over generations, over like 10 or 15 years.
00:38:45.000To see a change like that in that short period of time, it's clearly, and I don't have any doubt about this, I talked to, because all the people I talked to, the progressives I talked to, they want more censorship because they thought that all this free speech on social media platforms led to the success of Trump, first and foremost.
00:39:03.000I think they also thought, oh, it also led to people not taking vaccines, although I think that's probably gone down a bit now that we know that vaccines neither prevent infection nor transmission.
00:39:13.000But this shocking increase among liberals, Democrats in the United States for censorship.
00:39:18.000And we worry a lot about that because obviously you can expose the government.
00:39:24.000You can try to use the First Amendment and point out that government officials are not supposed to be demanding censorship or limiting speech in any way.
00:39:32.000We can expose intelligence operations, expose FBI involvement in Brazil.
00:39:36.000But if the public wants censorship, We're in a very bad way because the First Amendment in the United States and the protections of free speech in other countries depend on the public supporting free speech.
00:39:47.000And that means that you have to have people that support allowing people that they don't like or agree with have free speech.
00:39:56.000I don't think it's the end of the story.
00:39:58.000I will say I do think that events like we had in London last June, the conversations that we're having, I think that as people start to see that, oh, maybe it is important to actually control your border and not allow a lot of people to just come in willy-nilly, or maybe it wasn't a good idea to force the vaccine on people.
00:40:16.000I do have some faith in the American people that we will come around, including our Democrats.
00:40:21.000But I think that cultural work is the main event, and it's going to take Years and maybe decades.
00:40:26.000That's why I'm much more interested now in going to college campuses, having conversations, particularly with liberal minded people to restore our faith in free speech.
00:40:35.000Because I didn't ever think I'd have to make the case for free speech to Americans, but I do think that that's where we're at right now.
00:40:42.000Even with old-school analog media, print media, newspapers, I was always astonished in the ability of a culture to maneuver a population into voting against our own interests.
00:40:58.000And I feel sometimes that we are engaged in a race, a kind of Where either there is going to be this proliferation of free speech that will lead to decentralization.
00:41:12.000Something that suggests power has to become flatter and more diffuse.
00:41:16.000And there is this sort of opposite tendency to aggregate, control, restrict, to empower centralized forces.
00:41:27.000With the recent events in the Middle East, I even saw emergent coalitions divided again by that most divisive of historical issues, the Israel-Palestine-Israel-Hamas conflicts, and I wonder when it comes to this subject of war and migration if there might be a new discourse to be started in so much as, is it possible, do you think Michael, to start fostering the argument that
00:41:54.000If indeed destabilisation of global populations and the creation of a migrant class, refugee class, is the result of globalism, in particular its corporate and military components, there ought to be an explicit connection between Controlling migration and not getting involved in foreign wars and not getting involved in corporate projects that destabilize, for example, the nations of Latin America or the Middle East or nations within Africa.
00:42:25.000Do you think that is a connection that could be forged?
00:42:28.000No war if you want to control refugee and migrant crisis, both in countries like mine and countries like yours.
00:42:40.000I mean, the elites in Western Europe and the United States are absolutely obsessed with being able to move large numbers of people around the world.
00:42:51.000And I think there's a lot of different motivations for that.
00:42:53.000I think some of it they want, obviously, cheap labor for the corporations that want cheap labor.
00:43:07.000I think some of it's gotten out of control.
00:43:09.000I think the other part of it is that they want to be able to wage war wherever, whenever they want to, without popular check and balance on that ability to wage war.
00:43:20.000If you're going to wage war, you're going to create refugees.
00:43:23.000So it seems to me these two things go hand in hand.
00:43:27.000If you want to be able to just declare, you know, invade Iraq or participate in a war in Ukraine or get involved in a war with Iran, you know, you then have to be able to absorb large numbers of migrants to deal with that.
00:43:42.000They're absolutely obsessed with this question.
00:43:44.000Anybody who suggests that there's a problem of integrating all these migrant refugees to Europe, the United States, you're a racist, you're a bad person.
00:43:53.000So, yeah, I think that this is clearly part of some strategy.
00:43:56.000I mean, look, I've defended what we call the Western alliance.
00:44:00.000I mean, I think that civilization has allowed us to live very long lives.
00:44:19.000He wanted NATO to pay more money for defense.
00:44:22.000You know, so I think there was there was to some extent there's been this concern about populism.
00:44:27.000But there's also just these really powerful people in the establishment that frankly are pathological in their obsession with power, their obsession to control.
00:44:37.000They have to negotiate with different societal actors.
00:44:41.000They have to make some concessions to the farmers and the truckers.
00:44:44.000And they don't like it because they're snobs and they're elitists and they're in the grip of I kind of almost OCD levels of needing to control food and energy production, build and invade countries that they want.
00:44:55.000So I think that it's part of the counter-populist reaction is rational, but I also think part of it is just completely pathological and reflective of elites that are completely disconnected from their populations and really look down on ordinary folks and think that they should not have to, you know, Take orders from them in a democracy that they should just be able to rule without question.
00:45:20.000And here now to show that we are merely mouthpieces of a movement, I will pass on some of the many questions that have been offered to you by our chat, if that is convenient to you, Michael.
00:45:34.000May I ask you some questions for our community?
00:45:36.000The first one is from Centaur66, question for you.
00:45:40.000I would like to know if UK farmers are building to an uprising.
00:45:44.000I live in a rural community of farmers and they're not happy at all right now and haven't been for some time.
00:45:49.000Do you think that there's a possibility that this agricultural protest could include the United Kingdom?
00:45:54.000I know that in Iowa, I feel like there's a far agricultural movement in the U.S.
00:45:58.000Do you think it has the potential to become global?
00:46:00.000And indeed, if we have a global opposition, if globalism is a significant part of the problem, mustn't the response be somehow global?
00:46:09.000Unified but decentralized is the phrase I've been using.
00:46:14.000I mean, boy, it's been really inspiring to see the farmer protests.
00:46:19.000I reported on the farmer protests in the Netherlands in 2022, and that was really, it starts off, we've seen protests by the German farmers, by the French farmers.
00:46:29.000You know, they would like to be able to continue farming.
00:46:32.000They don't want to have to pay huge increases in energy, because if they pay huge increases of energy, then everything becomes more expensive.
00:46:40.000So I think these are very reasonable demands.
00:46:42.000I don't know what the situation is with British farmers, but certainly I think farmers have played a really important role in putting a check on global elites.
00:46:50.000The other thing global elites want to be able to do is of course move food around the world however they please.
00:46:54.000And I think there's just real questions around The benefits of that.
00:46:58.000I think that there have been benefits and certainly some poor countries have benefited.
00:47:03.000But I also think there's consequences domestically and we have to have some.
00:47:07.000I think as part of this is also just the disrespect that elites have for farmers.
00:47:17.000And yet, without farmers, obviously, there is no food, there is no civilization.
00:47:22.000All of our wealth, our ability for most of us to not farm, has depended on farmers continuing to innovate and to use technology and to produce more food on less land that also protects the environment.
00:48:01.000Yeah, so we just published a really interesting article by a German journalist where he talks about how one of these so-called fact-checking organizations that really clearly looks to us like a government cutout or a front group, it's called Korrektiv.
00:48:17.000The head of it basically attacked the farmers in Germany as far-right, Russian-influenced, COVID, all the stuff that you would imagine.
00:48:26.000The other thing that they did is they claimed that there was some secret plan by this right-wing party called AFD to deport immigrants.
00:48:36.000That's been a big part of their platform for a long time.
00:48:40.000It's very similar to what Trump wants to do in the United States.
00:48:43.000So agree or disagree with that as a policy.
00:48:46.000There was no secret plan and they made it seem like it was some secret sinister thing.
00:48:52.000They also suggested that it was Nazi, by where the meeting occurred.
00:48:58.000So they're engaging in disinformation.
00:49:00.000They're engaging in an influence operation in Germany.
00:49:03.000To frame the AFD's demands as unreasonable and to frame the farmer demands as unreasonable.
00:49:10.000And the problem, of course, is that much of the German public agrees with these positions.
00:49:14.000I mean, we even noted in the piece that we published that the Chancellor of Germany had supported deporting some amount of the immigrants that had come in.
00:49:25.000And I think most Germans share the concern that energy prices are too high.
00:49:28.000So the problem for the elites, you can see it's a kind of desperate quality when They find that their positions are in the minority, they have unpopular positions, that's when they turn to demonising their opponents and making up lies about them.
00:49:42.000Jamie Jam asked, with similar laws to the misinformation and disinformation laws being enacted across the West, being acted in your country, will the First Amendment be able to be utilised against it?
00:50:01.000I mean, people have definitely already been self-censoring.
00:50:03.000In the United States, the question of whether or not the government can use what you would call front groups or cutouts like the Stanford Internet Observatory to demand censorship of social media platforms, that's going to the Supreme Court.
00:50:17.000March 18th, the Supreme Court will hear that case that was brought by the Attorneys General of Missouri and Louisiana against these different government agencies and their partner cutouts.
00:50:29.000I mean, I think what's so interesting about this case is that you remember me saying that in the past, the CIA sought to overthrow governments, control the information environment, spread disinformation, demand censorship.
00:50:39.000They often did that through NGOs, or they did it through news media.
00:50:45.000Now their emphasis is on doing it through NGOs and philanthropies, and that's what we saw with the censorship industrial complex.
00:50:52.000So really it's a question of, are we going to let the intelligence community, are we
00:50:56.000going to allow the government to operate these public-private partnerships to demand censorship?
00:51:01.000I hope the Supreme Court says no, but once again, there's very powerful interest at stake.
00:51:06.000And so I don't think we can depend on Supreme Court.
00:51:09.000I don't think we can depend on the politicians.
00:51:11.000I think really some of the most important work is just this investigative work, this
00:51:15.000public education, this movement building to really stand up to these guys, because they
00:51:20.000really are quite out of control and they're not going to stop until we expose them.
00:51:24.000Citizen Smithy asks in the chat, these are all members of our community, does Michael
00:51:28.000have any tips for helping us get around censorship and surveillance?
00:51:33.000Well, I would say I would not encourage people to change what they want to say in order to conform to these rules.
00:51:43.000I think a better approach is to speak your mind, and if you have evidence that you're being censored, and often the social media platforms, particularly Facebook, will flag your post in that way, Then I would say talk, expose that because there is this thing called the Streisand effect, which was named after when Barbra Streisand tried to stop photos of her home being shown on the Internet.
00:52:04.000Everybody wanted them to go see where Barbra Streisand's home was.
00:52:08.000So I think that when they censor you, it's important to draw attention to it and say this bad thing happened.
00:52:39.000They really try to make it as complex as possible but we are awaiting from a variety of these NGOs and organisations More information about the degree of surveillance, censorship, de-amplification, shadow banning, utilizing bots in our streams that generate automatic negative responses to content.
00:53:03.000We're getting into all that stuff at the moment and it's pretty fascinating.
00:53:43.000I mean, it's a funny conversation, though.
00:53:47.000I'm sure that if she's a Democrat, I suspect she's a Democrat, they'll want her to support Biden.
00:53:53.000I think what I admire about the folks that have been raising the concern that she's part of an influence operation is that that's pre-bunking.
00:54:01.000I think you're creating situational awareness that should Taylor Swift start campaigning for Joe Biden, That that was something that we should have expected and that it's not some big revelation or surprising.
00:54:12.000And you just have to take it with a grain of salt.
00:54:14.000I think pop culture figures, you know, mostly are on the left historically.
00:54:19.000But I think a lot of I think we should also give Americans our credit that we're not going to make our decisions just based on what a pop star says.
00:54:29.000Thank you, those of you that have contributed your questions.
00:54:32.000Remember, this is one of the advantages of being an AwakendWonder, getting to put your questions to real journalists like Michael Schellenberger.
00:55:45.000An epidemiologist has told the foring and now delayed UK COVID inquiry that many COVID measures were basically silly and nonsense.
00:55:54.000The Slovakian leader is demanding an investigation into excess deaths and adverse vaccine injuries.
00:56:00.000Does this mean that the establishment COVID narrative is finally about to snap, break and come undone?
00:56:09.000In the Covid inquiry in the UK, which, as I've told you, is being delayed now, and those cost ÂŁ145 million, they're putting it till after the election so we can vote for another centralist, globalist, conglomerate stooge, an epidemiologist has said that many of the measures taken during lockdown were ludicrous, unhelpful, nonsensical.
00:56:25.000What's good is this is an epidemiologist without an axe to grind.
00:56:28.000This isn't some fringe conspiracy theorist or a lunatic in a leather jacket.
00:56:32.000This is a scientist just going, well, that doesn't make sense.
00:56:36.000Essentially, it's another piece of the puzzle falling into place.
00:56:39.000And just in case you're still clinging on to the idea, and I know you're not, but I'm sort of, I suppose, aggressively addressing the doubters out there, that somehow all of this was business as usual and there's nothing to see here.
00:56:49.000The Slovakian leader is demanding an inquiry and investigation into excess deaths, the way that Alexei Media reported deaths during the pandemic, and adverse events as a result of vaccines.
00:57:00.000Essentially what we're beginning to see now is the narratives that have been awake and alive in these spaces, even though the legacy media have tried to censor them in conjunction with the deep state, are entering into the kind of institutions that they previously regarded as legitimate.
00:57:15.000So now this story, the story you've long known, is becoming unavoidable.
00:57:19.000This means there will be consequences for them, and I'm fascinated to see what they are.
00:57:23.000Astonishingly, the legacy media are still trying to amp up fear by claiming that COVID is the new HIV, just in case you were starting to not pay proper attention.
00:57:31.000First of all, let's look at this epidemiologist in a COVID inquiry and see how he just sort of casually dismisses and denounces measures that were normalized during that berserk period of clear revelation.
00:57:43.000There was a lot of concern about how well people would tolerate lockdown.
00:58:26.000Didn't you sense that that was the kind of attitude?
00:58:29.000Curious that we can't see any of the WhatsApp text messages or communications between senior political figures like the current prime minister, the former one, because they've all somehow just magically deleted all their messages or factory reset.
00:58:40.000There's all sorts of reasons why a person's text messages could go missing.
00:58:43.000That the public would tolerate rather than Actually looking at evidence of components of it and saying we didn't need them.
00:58:50.000Isn't it odd how it takes an epidemiologist in an inquiry, a retrospective inquiry, to say, it's not like they were, you know, looking at evidence or anything, to make us all realize, like, with a start, as if a cold glass of water has been flung in your face, oh my god, we can't trust them!
00:59:05.000Those of us that never trusted them, we were right!
00:59:07.000Wow, okay, right, let's immediately apply that mentality to what's happening now.
01:00:29.000Social distancing, by the way, which Anthony Fauci admitted in his own inquiry, was arbitrarily arrived at.
01:00:35.000The six foot figure just sort of appeared.
01:00:38.000Mark Wallhouse is referring to, and he's obviously a person that's interested in freedom and more significantly science, is that a lot of goodwill was expended during that time.
01:00:46.000And also the important idea that we stayed in our houses or took certain medications under the auspices of the idea that we were helping other people and society as a whole.
01:00:55.000Do you see how that idea was mobilized?
01:01:07.000Sooner or later, someone's going to look at what went on in various African nations to see how much difference these vaccines actually made.
01:01:13.000Because, of course, in Africa, it wasn't deemed necessary to have these vaccines because they couldn't afford them.
01:01:17.000Could that be another clue to the objective behind all this?
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01:03:33.000let's get into this. It was fine. People could go to the beach. But nonetheless, we were very
01:04:40.000Something that you'd have heard on independent media years ago and we only know that stuff of course because of brave people like Jay Bacharya or Robert Malone or Peter McCulloch or all of the people that stuck their neck out in order to convey this information to us.
01:04:52.000What do you know about how many vaccines we have left that have expired?
01:04:54.000How much money has been thrown into the air?
01:04:55.000How much money was thrown into the air?
01:04:57.000Now he's referring to the extraordinary deals that took place between Pfizer and the European Union.
01:05:01.000Some of them being arranged by a text message, quite undemocratic, and the possibility that some of these vaccines will go
01:05:29.000What do you know about what was going on when it came to taking various measures that, in our opinion, substantially increased the disease rate more than it was possible in other countries?
01:05:43.000In fact, it's an indication of how well educated we've all become during this period that you'll have heard already of many of the points that he is making.
01:05:50.000Now talking about comorbidities, talking about measures taken in other states, variations in lockdown measures across the world, and now that we have available data to see how effective those measures were.
01:06:01.000I told the President of the European Commission openly that the suspicions associated with her and the largest purchase in the history of the European Commission is the vaccine, when she secretly exchanged text messages with the director of Pfizer, and when the MPs of the European Parliament were laughed at, a message was written, which was completely blackened.
01:06:26.000Now he's talking about that deal between the EU and Pfizer and how when a plea for transparency was made it was largely redacted.
01:06:37.000Now he's questioning the role that the pharmaceutical companies may have played even in constructing the legislation and when you know that BlackRock were involved in the funding of COVID measures and that BlackRock were involved in the legislation that generated the response to the 2008 crash you have to wonder what The Slovak public simply needs an answer.
01:06:53.000corporations are granted when it comes to designing legislation that could be advantageous and
01:06:57.000beneficial to their organizations. Certainly it's a line of inquiry that this dude wants to see
01:07:50.000We want to know, based on what we have available, what actually happened.
01:07:55.000I repeat, he is absolutely convinced that his work will lead to the results
01:08:01.000that we will publish and we will tell the Slovak public what actually happened to him during the Covid.
01:08:09.000So, ultimately, it's going to lead to the publication of data asking the question, what the hell happened during this pandemic?
01:08:15.000So, ultimately, Slovakia, probably because they're not considered to be one of your main France, Britain, Germany style major European nations
01:08:22.000are doing a proper inquiry because they're not under the thumb of pharmaceutical
01:10:16.000So there you have it, an epidemiologist in a delayed UK inquiry saying that many of the measures were ridiculous, the Slovakian leader telling us there's going to be a proper investigation, and the legacy media very keen to amplify the idea that we should all be terrified and therefore presumably spending money and complying?
01:10:33.000I don't know what conclusions you draw from that.
01:10:35.000HIV is the new COVID and COVID is the old HIV.
01:10:38.000So there you go, the Legacy Media still pretty keen to keep you compliant and frightened even at a time when it's plain to me that what you should be is suspicious and awakened.
01:11:12.000You also get to join us for conversations like the one you've just seen with me and Michael, because next week we're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy.