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00:01:51.000If you don't know who Jeffrey Sachs is, he's one of the first people that explained that the war between Ukraine and Russia had been, if not caused, certainly agitated by NATO infringement of former Soviet Union territories.
00:02:05.000He's a brilliant, brilliant thinker, a great teacher.
00:02:08.000He's one of those people that it's really hard for the establishment to discredit, because when you listen to him, you think, Perfectly reasonable person.
00:02:15.000It's like journalists like Taibi and Schellenberger that I did that free speech event with last week, which was, gratefully, I acknowledge, was attended by Stella Assange.
00:02:24.000You realise that there are so many credible people now that are unwilling to put up with this elite establishment corruption that it can't be that everyone's suddenly turned into some mad right-wing conspiracy theorist.
00:02:37.000But if you're watching us on YouTube, Join us on Rumble and you will learn there for yourself that free speech is not the free speech to hate one another.
00:02:46.000We want free speech to attack the establishment and we will have to stop broadcasting on YouTube or Twitter or Twitch or Gut Bucket or Tickle Pickle or all of the main sites, all of them.
00:02:57.000We'll have to stop broadcasting on them because in a minute we're going to be talking about Chris Witte.
00:03:01.000He's our version of Fauci, although he's not allowed to accept money from pharmaceutical companies.
00:04:27.000Anyway, we're going to be telling you about that coup.
00:04:29.000Do you reckon though, before I get into it, do you think this is a convenient distraction from the failing Ukrainian counter-offensive where a thousand Ukrainians a day are dying, which is a great stain again on this terrible, terrible ongoing conflict that many people believe.
00:04:45.000And we'll be asking Jeffrey Sachs, who's an expert about this, is this war being perpetuated simply because it's advantageous to imperialist interests Stay free with Russell Brand.
00:04:54.000term state imperatives of the United States military industrial complex, both politically
00:04:59.000and economically. You tell me in the chat. I don't know. I'm just a sweet little guy.
00:05:04.000Stay free with Russell Brand. See it first on Rumble.
00:05:07.000What I believe in is the idea that there is a convergence of economic and political interests
00:05:13.000that creates a kind of irresistible magnetism in a particular direction. Let me know what
00:05:18.000you think, guys, because I know you've got some wonderful opinions. Listen, there's no
00:05:22.000point listening to the pontifications of a gadfly and a dilettante when on the line now
00:05:29.000we have got renowned economist and professor at Columbia University, a man whose facial
00:05:36.000expressions are straight out of Kabuki.
00:05:55.000I'm in the Vatican, so you're hearing the real echo.
00:06:00.000You're really helping with those conspiracy theories.
00:06:03.000Live from the Vatican, it's the Da Vinci Code with Jeffrey Sachs.
00:06:08.000But Russell, I have to tell you, before we get to Purgosian, you know, the other thing to think about with the pandemic is there is really serious, legitimate reason to think this came out of a lab funded by the U.S.
00:06:34.000And that's what they're not telling us at all about.
00:06:38.000And they know a lot more about that than they have told us, and I know a lot about it enough to know how much they've lied.
00:06:46.000So that's pretty interesting also, because we spent the last three years in an epidemic that may well have been caused by deliberate manipulation of a SARS-like virus on NIH contracts, so it's pretty annoying.
00:07:06.000Certainly a lot of people in our chat over on Locals, press the red button if you want to join us there now, completely agree with your analysis, which I know is an analysis arrived at over a long period of time.
00:07:19.000Just quickly, Geoffrey, before we move on to Purgosian and whether or not this is a false flag event, this brief coup over in Russia in order to distract people from the Ukrainian counter-offensive and its potential failure, can we just determine that If it is established that this was a lab leak that was brought about due to a lack of due diligence and perhaps because of irresponsible gain-of-function research that involved American financial interests, how does that change our response to the events of the last three years?
00:07:52.000What specifically does it mean we should be pursuing that would be impossible if a natural origin theory were accepted?
00:07:59.000Well, the starting point is that it would mean we have a U.S.
00:08:02.000government that is absolutely reckless, out of control, lying at every turn, and dangerous to the world.
00:08:16.000And if it happened, we sure better know, because the U.S.
00:08:20.000is continuing to do lots of research Probably all over the world, of a very dangerous kind, and it would be nice if someone would tell the truth and someone would look at some actual documents and facts.
00:08:37.000Just a couple days ago, the intelligence agencies released another report.
00:08:50.000It's bull, and it's disgusting, after all this time.
00:08:54.000Given all the lies that they have said, it's absolutely disgusting.
00:08:59.000So, I really would like to know, because if the U.S.
00:09:04.000recklessly not only endangered the world, but led to a virus that killed 20 million people, And has lied about it, denied it, and most likely is continuing this kind of research.
00:09:21.000Well, Jeffrey, if your line of inquiry is correct, then you should be canonized yourself.
00:09:27.000But if it's incorrect, I think you should go straight to a confessional and get yourself cleansed, perhaps by the Holy Father himself, given that you're live from the Vatican.
00:09:35.000Now, thank you for giving us such conclusive and explosive analysis on the events of the last three years and the implications of it being indeed a lab leak origin scenario.
00:09:46.000Can you tell us how we, sorry Jeffrey, we've got your mic muted while you're hollering in the Vatican.
00:09:53.000Would you tell us about how we should understand the recent news of the failed mutiny of Prigoshin over there in Russia and how it's being reported on by the mainstream media?
00:10:06.000Is this a self-contained issue and do you think this is a false flag event to distract us from the failing Ukrainian counter-offensive?
00:10:13.000How does this sit into the whole Russia-Ukraine narrative, sir?
00:10:17.000Look, I think the one thing we know is how it's being used by the U.S.
00:10:22.000and the U.K., and it's being used to prolong and expand the war.
00:10:29.000Because we have a war machine in the United States.
00:10:33.000I don't really know which generals are running the show right now.
00:10:38.000But we have a war machine that wants an expanded war with Russia.
00:10:43.000So, whatever is the actual story here—and we don't know about multiple possible outcomes—what the media are reporting is no questions, other than saying, you see, Putin is at the end, and now we
00:11:00.000can—basically, the implication is just we continue and we destroy Russia. So, you see it in
00:11:08.000every mainstream newspaper in the U.K.
00:12:02.000Because we have pushed into an incredibly disastrous war, first and foremost disastrous for Ukraine, because the Ukrainians that are dying, We provoked the war.
00:12:16.000We refused to negotiate over the core issues, mainly NATO enlargement.
00:12:22.000And we have a media that is so driven for more war and utterly without the idea of asking a single question, just like the questions you're asking.
00:12:35.000They're not even raised in our newspapers.
00:12:38.000But this has been like this all along.
00:12:43.000So, whether this is a godsend, that now we can say we should have more war because we're about to defeat Russia, whether this is actually—CIA played a role in this?
00:13:00.000Somebody should actually explain some of these things.
00:13:04.000Whatever it is, what they want is war.
00:13:07.000The point you make, by the way, is an extremely important one, which is the so-called Ukrainian counteroffensive is killing thousands and thousands of Ukrainian young men who have been pulled off the streets, put in front of Russian helicopter gunships put in front of Russian artillery are dying by the hundreds or thousands per day, but we don't count any of that.
00:14:16.000You can't get A single thought, a single idea in the New York Times anymore that says, hmm, maybe what the government's telling us isn't exactly 100,000% the truth.
00:15:10.000Yes, I think, Geoffrey, after we finish our conversation you should have a look at the dome of St Peter's.
00:15:16.000I think you want to have a little glance at the Sistine Chapel ceiling and take in a couple of Caravaggios to unwind because it seems like you need it.
00:15:24.000Now we live in a bewildering and beguiling media space.
00:15:27.000We live in a landscape where we're Offered cage fights between prominent billionaires like Zuckerberg and Elon Musk.
00:15:34.000A sense of mad, demented carnival descends.
00:15:38.000As you say, legitimate legacy media spaces seem incapable or unwilling to ask the pertinent and necessary questions when we find ourselves on the advent of a potential crisis of previously unseen proportions.
00:15:55.000An ambition to carve up Russia is a bold one indeed.
00:16:00.000To embark on a secondary campaign agitating for war with China seems outrageous.
00:16:07.000To have a political sphere devoid and divorced from debate, open conversation, where reasonable, rational figures like RFK that offer anti-establishment perspectives and diplomatic solutions ...are regarded by the mainstream as hysterical pariahs who cannot be engaged with, with the liminal space in which discourse can take place ever shrinking.
00:16:34.000These people are too far to the right.
00:16:37.000The role of independent media is clear, that it's necessary and important that we ask these questions, that we have to behave responsibly, that we have to have one eye on what's beyond simply reporting and move towards Activism and campaigning and participating in this conversation in perhaps more political ways.
00:16:58.000When you see us move from a state of crisis around the pandemic, around which it seems that we were lied to extensively, into a geopolitical crisis like the current one, where we are continuing to be lied, where it seems evident and obvious that behind these events are sets of interests that can be observed, diagnosed and tracked.
00:17:19.000At what point does this begin to coalesce around a political movement?
00:17:23.000And do you feel that, given that the systems we live within, electoral, political, financial, delivered us into this state, how likely is it, even with the candidacy of a figure like RFK, who's joined us here on Rumble, both as a guest and now as a contributor, how likely is it that this system will allow him to make a reasonable impact?
00:19:39.000Never discussed in our media the fact that there was a draft agreement put on the table.
00:19:44.000Then, in March 2022, we know it now because of an interesting point.
00:19:51.000There was nearly a signed agreement between Russia and Ukraine to end the war, and the United States stopped it.
00:20:01.000And Naftali Bennett, who was prime minister of Israel and an informal mediator then, You know, he has a long interview where he describes at the last moment the United States came in and stopped it.
00:20:24.000Nobody in the mainstream media has raised the point that That there was nearly a negotiated end to the war in March 2022 that the United States stopped.
00:20:36.000It's too little a fact for The New York Times to show any interest.
00:20:41.000It has nothing to do with what The Washington Post might report or anybody else, so it's not mentioned At all.
00:21:46.000Every day I want to cancel my New York Times subscription, but if I could cancel a hundred of them, I would.
00:21:53.000It's just so painful to see the stupidity of it right now.
00:21:59.000It's exciting to be able to speak to somebody with you with such evident integrity.
00:22:02.000It was exciting to spend time recently with Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi at an event designed to address the emergence of the censorship industrial complex and the need to confront it and organize a movement around it.
00:22:16.000I'm always astonished when I speak to Michael and Matt, that journalists that, you know,
00:22:20.000literally in the case of Matt, did work for the Rolling Stone
00:22:23.000and certainly a few years ago, these would have been the kind of legacy media journalists
00:22:27.000that were prized in the sort of Woodward-Bernstein tradition.
00:22:31.000Investigative journalists that care about facts that are voracious, that offer you information
00:22:36.000and allow you to reach your own conclusions, that see it as their job to interrogate power.
00:24:05.000That's where you'll find his fantastic work and you'll learn that you have legitimate, authentic voices that are anti-establishment and plainly undergirded with a great deal of knowledge and experience.
00:24:14.000This is not Rumble, home of the crackpot and the nutcase, in spite of my physical appearance and sometimes even Gareth's baleful demeanour.
00:24:24.000As he looks off into the middle distance.
00:24:32.000And I think the point there, and we spoke about it last week with regard to China, I think it was Jens or Jens Stoltenberg of NATO literally said last week, Uh, the Russia have to lose to send a message for us to send a message to China.