Neil Oliver and Lara Logan join Russell Brand for a special episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand to discuss the JFK Assassination and the Kennedy Assassinations. They discuss the new declassifications and declassifications that have been made public, as well as the possibility of a new form of government at last.
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00:03:24.000This is a new political era that we're entering into, whether for good or for ill, we don't yet fully understand.
00:03:32.000But one thing is for sure, there is a new candour and transparency.
00:03:36.000The first thing we're going to be talking about, Neil, is the revelations that there will be additional disclosure, maybe even full disclosure, around JFK, the RFK murders, MLK, I mean, like all of the Ks, the KKK and the UFK. You give me a free letter acronym and we'll give you some facts on it.
00:04:21.000Why do you play these games with our emotions?
00:04:25.000While Lara Logan freezes and unfreezes, let's have a look at the revelation that the JFK investigations will be made transparent to the American and global public, while Lara Logan, like a lone gunman on a grassy knoll, tries to find the right angle.
00:04:44.000Our first investigation will be announced, but it's going to be covering on a thorough investigation into the John F. Kennedy assassination.
00:04:51.000And I can tell you, based on what I've been seeing so far, the initial hearing that was actually held here in Congress was actually faulty in the single-bolt theory.
00:05:00.000I believe that there were two shooters.
00:05:02.000And we should be finding more information as we are able to gain access into the SCIF, hopefully before the files are actually released to the public.
00:05:10.000Conspiracy theory into conspiracy fact is a lexicon, an idiom developed here on this show and in these spaces.
00:05:17.000In our own way, Neil Oliver, Lara Logan and myself have all benefited from the changing perspective on conspiracy theories, whether it's UFOs, the truth behind 9-11, the murder of JFK, the origins of COVID, the efficacy of vaccines, or these new revelations around assassinations.
00:05:36.000Lara, thank you very much for joining us, albeit late.
00:06:54.000But what has already taken place, the actions that have already taken place, indicate that we've never seen anything like this in government before.
00:08:18.000I'd long believed, I'd long believed, Neil, that if we truly knew what classified files contained, that we would become instantly disobedient.
00:08:40.000So, JFK, I guess most of us now know that it's not the magic bullet theory and the lone gunman theory have all been discarded.
00:08:50.000But when it comes to 9-11 and COVID, Neil, is there a danger that this could disrupt permanently our faith in all systems of government and not be seen as a kind of mea culpa and affection?
00:09:37.000And they're combing through each document and they're, you know, what they're having to do is, I think, I would agree with you, just get it over with already, right?
00:09:46.000But, but, look at the two things that have happened.
00:09:49.000One, they put Representative Annalena Luna, right, in place, and that was significant for this reason.
00:09:56.000Luna is a, you know, she's a baller, right?
00:09:59.000She doesn't take any crap and she's not owned by the system.
00:10:03.000So they've chosen someone in each of these positions.
00:10:06.000They've chosen someone who's going to speak up.
00:10:09.000Then the other thing is you've got things like the FBI coming forward saying, we just found 14,000 transcripts no one's ever seen.
00:10:15.000So now what they did when they did that, they delayed the process because now the lawyers all have to go through the 14,000 pages.
00:10:22.000And make sure that everything there is okay.
00:10:25.000In the case of, let's say in the case of the John F. Kennedy and the Robert Kennedy senior assassinations, just to take those two, it's a lifetime since those deaths, those killings, those murders.
00:10:41.000And so nobody is left alive that was materially involved with any of that.
00:10:49.000And the fact that they can't just Lay out all of it.
00:10:54.000If you're going to say, we're going to declassify this stuff and we're just going to give the people, the American people or the people of the world, everything we've got about this, you either do that or you don't.
00:11:06.000And if anything that they have to go through and redact or hold back or whatever, means that it's some version of a limited hangout or it's a slightly disingenuous fulfilment of the promise to just declassify this.
00:11:23.000I can appreciate, I mean, I can, you know, I could be practical enough around something like 9-11 that clearly, clearly people are alive and walking around today that we're party to all of that.
00:11:36.000And I can imagine that there might be sensitivities around it, but all the way up to and including the, you know, the Epstein client list and the much-vaunted Diddy tapes and all of the rest of it.
00:11:49.000This constant promising of jam tomorrow.
00:12:32.000What if it's that the organization that did it, i.e. the CIA, is still alive?
00:12:38.000And that's what they're—I agree with you.
00:12:41.000They're also promising all that stuff, all that big headline stuff about draining swamps, all that stuff about clearing out the corruption.
00:12:50.000I'm as aware as the next vaguely sentient human being about the complexities of that and the likely consequences of doing any of that.
00:13:02.000But if you say, we're going to tell you the truth, we're going to do the reveal, and you can make of it what you will, you either do that or you don't.
00:13:15.000I could be wrong, but I tell you what they are doing is they're doing it in a way where they can't be stopped.
00:13:21.000I think that's the critical thing here is that look what we've already seen with regards to USAID. Medicare, Medicaid, and all these revelations that are coming out, right?
00:15:24.000Now listen, I want to say that chronology does play a significant part, but I love what Neil said about delegitimization from the murder of JFK onwards.
00:15:34.000And to the point of the people that are left alive affected by it, it seems to me that the point of classification was always either to protect a nation from external threat or to prevent the revelation of the government's true intentions and true...
00:15:53.000And when you work through this list, all of which we're told we're going to get total transparency and declassification around, JFK is, you know, which is almost a relatively vanilla conspiracy theory now.
00:16:05.000Is there anyone left who thinks that Lee Harvey Oswald unaided murdered JFK? I would say probably not.
00:16:12.000And then as you go through this list, 9-11, if like even 5% of what's been speculated upon is true, in fact, if it's anything other than entirely unaided, Aided, oddly Saudi-affiliated members of Al-Qaeda flew into those towers.
00:16:29.000Any additional detail before we get into the Pentagon, the disappearance of all that surveillance footage, Building 7. Ultimately, these aren't conspiracy theories about the delegitimization of power.
00:16:42.000And whatever we learn about 9-11, Epstein, UFOs, the origins of COVID and the way that COVID was handled.
00:16:49.000and some of these events are extremely recent in the cases of both COVID and the Epstein list, doesn't it amount to delegitimisation so absolute that even a new and somewhat renegade, at least in terms of its presentational style, at least in terms of its presentational style, administration will be delegitimised by it?
00:17:11.000I mean, in short, if you knew everything that the government knew about extraterrestrials and UFOs and how long they've been interacting with the government, if you knew exactly what went on in 9-11 and who was involved and how it happened, not to mention the even more vanilla and likely scenario where JFK was murdered by members of Because of the CIA either because of Vietnam or his relationship with Cuba or because of his father's relationship with the mob.
00:17:34.000It starts to make America unmanageable.
00:17:40.000It's understood that you could never give reparations for slavery or in our country, the UK, you could never give reparations for colonialism because the country is intrinsically built.
00:17:53.000Upon that exploitation, not just the racist component of it, because each country, first of all, tyrannises its domestic population.
00:18:00.000First and foremost, you have to do that.
00:18:03.000So, isn't it like, wouldn't true and full revelation delegitimize America itself?
00:18:08.000How can you have an America if you knew what really happened on 9-11, if half of what I believe is true?
00:18:49.000You've got a lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, and right before he can ever get to a court of law to tell his side of the story, lo and behold, he's assassinated, right?
00:18:59.000Well, supposedly Trump was killed by a lone, you know, was not killed, but was, you know, the assassination attempt was by a lone gunman.
00:19:07.000They've used that lone gunman thing over and over and over again, and it's probably always been a lie.
00:19:14.000I mean, it's very obvious when you speak to people who know about ballistics and all the rest of it, that, you know, that guy that died on the roof in Butler, Pennsylvania, was not the only shooter at the Trump, you know, assassination attempt.
00:19:25.000So I would say that, yes, this is catastrophic, especially when you come to the more recent, well, they're catastrophic in different ways.
00:19:34.000The JFK thing, because it shows that the intelligence services of the United States that were set up Originally, born out of the Second World War, designed to protect this country from its enemies abroad, foreign enemies, Title 50, that's what governs the CIA, right?
00:19:54.000They're not allowed, apart from the National Resources Division, they're not allowed to operate on U.S. soil.
00:19:59.000So when you have an intelligence agency that has been actively subverting and undermining The government of the United States of America, the Constitution and the will of the people, you have people who are supposed to be patriots who are really traitors and treasonous.
00:20:25.000They were involved in exactly the same thing with Donald Trump the first time around, with Russia collusion.
00:20:30.000You know, the CIA was involved in that.
00:20:32.000The CIA, I mean, John Brennan, former director of the CIA, was on television telling everyone that Trump was, you know, a Russian spy and that Vladimir Putin was his handler.
00:20:42.000And, you know, so did James Clapper, who was also, he was the DNI, director of national intelligence.
00:20:47.000You know, remember when Trump went after the intelligence agencies and he was warned at the beginning of his first term, you know, careful what you do because they're coming for you.
00:20:55.000Well, apparently, you know, Kennedy was the last president that the intelligence agencies sought to control and affect.
00:21:02.000So, yes, that has lasting consequences.
00:21:07.000Today, some of them with their faces burned off, some of them with no legs, some with no legs, no arms, you know, and half a face, who literally are living, living evidence, you know, of the consequences of 9-11.
00:21:21.000And that's, you know, that is also catastrophic in another way, a completely different way.
00:22:01.000It'll be shaken by this, but it's not going to collapse.
00:22:04.000Well, I really like that you raised the idea of a covenant with God, because of course that would have to be bilateral.
00:22:09.000A country can't just claim it has a covenant with God without God participating in that covenant.
00:22:14.000And we'll talk about that a little more in a moment, Laura.
00:22:18.000But I want to ask, Neil, do we not detect...
00:22:23.000From the depth and breadth of these revelations that the business of government and media has always been the extraction of some information and the amplification of other information that, in short, there's...
00:22:38.000There's esoteric information that usually forms the sources of conspiracy theory and exoteric information.
00:22:47.000The very idea of conspiracy theory is a sort of, almost in itself, a propagandist and misinformation term.
00:22:54.000Because, of course, there's another narrative when it comes to a subject like COVID. That's where you and I, both in particular, came to Providence and broke away from what you might call the mainstream culture.
00:23:04.000Of course, there's an alternative narrative when it comes to the assassination of Jane.
00:23:10.000I mean, think about what's happened in the last four years around UFOs.
00:23:14.000So couldn't you almost pick any presumed piece of public information and demonstrate ulterior knowledge?
00:23:21.000I mean, what I'm saying is it's not a bug, it's a feature.
00:23:25.000The point of the CIA, of the FBI, of all of these deep state agencies is to ensure that the American public don't gain access to the information that would prevent them participating within the purview of these institutions.
00:23:38.000I think what's so confronting about the possible revelations that you talk about playing with fire in a sense, because if you were to follow this promise of honesty and openness all the way through, then ultimately it demands something of the individual citizen.
00:24:08.000And, you know, to think about that Jack Nicholson line in A Few Good Men about, you know, you can't handle the truth.
00:24:14.000It becomes a question of whether or not people want or can indeed process the totality of what might come.
00:24:26.000You know, we're all being invited to become familiar with the idea of the deep state.
00:24:31.000You know, this idea that not just in the...
00:24:34.000Not just in the US, but in every kind of functioning so-called democracy, that the only way you can get things done and have the kind of continuity of intent that enables things to keep moving forward in some or other direction, is that while you've got elected politicians and the executive and the president or the prime minister or whatever, in the background, something has to be permanent, regardless of...
00:25:02.000Republican or Democrat or Tory or Labour.
00:25:05.000They're the management of the holiday park that keep the chalets standing and decorate them.
00:25:11.000And the politicians just take up summer residence in them and then they're gone.
00:25:15.000But the people that run the park keep on going.
00:25:19.000But people are invited not to contemplate that.
00:25:25.000And people are gulled and lulled into thinking that they vote every four years.
00:25:30.000And that that's democracy and that that's them taking their responsibility and that's them enacting and preserving the freedoms and the rights that their ancestors fought for, blah, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, yada.
00:25:43.000But if this process works out and the deep state is unpicked, exposed...
00:25:51.000And stripped right back to its bare bones, if not cast out, then it will come back.
00:25:57.000The people will have to take responsibility for themselves because they turned a blind eye to this.
00:26:05.000Everybody knew somewhere deep down inside that there was a deep state, you know, that there was a management that kept the holiday park running.
00:26:15.000You know, while the here today, gone tomorrow, politicians came and went.
00:26:41.000It won't be something that people can close their eyes to and turn deaf ears to.
00:26:46.000They're going to have to confront it themselves as individuals because what it means...
00:26:50.000What we're all going to be confronted with is that all this muckiness that went on, all this corruption, we knew it was going on and we let it go on because it meant the bins were emptied, the lights came on at night and the streets were relatively safe to walk.
00:27:05.000And if we want to walk into a different kind of republic or democracy, then we're going to have to confront what that actually means.
00:27:16.000And that means personal responsibility.
00:27:18.000It's not their fault that we're all neck deep in shit.
00:27:41.000Did a brilliant post where she said, if you think that just by voting for MAGA and Elon Musk and Trump that you can create the kind of change that's required and that the deep state isn't mobile and plastic enough to accommodate these kind of transitions, you're being naive.
00:27:57.000And she also touched upon the idea that we all share in any kind of republic worthy of the name a degree of personal sovereignty.
00:28:06.000So I wonder, do you think, Lara, that what actually happens when disclosures...
00:28:15.000suggests with our own personal obligation that to a degree all of us have been like the um famous bystander as they came for the jews as they came for the gays as they came for the whoever they came for that in the end we all to some degree have been aware that we're participating in gentle and masked tyranny but kind of as again as neil said required men with guns to stand on a wall protecting us from external and internal threats and that we are somewhat culpable
00:28:44.000shouldn't our proper response to these revelations be we need a different form of government that has to be direct that has to be participatory that has to be decentralized wherever possible that has to involve the conscience and consciousness of the individual I think that's the whole point, right, of Trump and the MAGA movement, is a recognition that we do need to do that and a recognition that we do need to stand up.
00:29:09.000I mean, I've been, you know, for the past four years under the Biden administration, I worked on everything from election integrity to January 6th, and the resounding cry Around the U.S. was local action, national impact, right?
00:29:24.000This idea that if you don't want your kids having access to pornographic material in the schools, you have to go to your local school board meetings.
00:29:32.000And that, oh, by the way, even if your kids are not in school, you should still be going to that meeting because you're responsible for what happens in your society, in your community.
00:29:41.000I work a lot in counter-trafficking, as you know, Russell.
00:29:45.000And, you know, some people want to know the truth about it and some people are like, I can't deal with it.
00:29:56.000When a bomb explodes, typically I'm running towards the scene and not away from it.
00:30:02.000So it's easier for me to say we have to confront this.
00:30:06.000My entire life has been about confronting the truth and dealing with it.
00:30:09.000So of course I believe in that and I believe that people ultimately want the truth.
00:30:14.000It's like when I had cancer, I didn't want my doctor to lie to me.
00:30:18.000I didn't want to hear I had cancer, but I wanted the opportunity to deal with it, right?
00:30:23.000I didn't want you to take that from me.
00:30:25.000Even if it was, you know, having a few weeks to say goodbye, I don't want to lose that opportunity to go out on my terms.
00:30:31.000And I think this is what it's really about right now.
00:30:33.000And people are starting to realize that this idea that we can, you know, just show up to vote, maybe even not show up to vote if it's inconvenient, and somehow there's an expectation that people are going to deliver what they say.
00:30:47.000And you don't have to hold them accountable.
00:30:49.000I think those days have come to an end.
00:30:54.000We're at the beginning of revelation, in a sense, right?
00:30:58.000We're just finding out what USAID has been doing.
00:31:02.000When I testified before Ron Johnson's committee, I talked about USAID. I talked about exactly what was exposed by Elon Musk and the Doge team.
00:31:11.000And so there's other people who've known about this.
00:31:15.000But because we get dismissed as conspiracy theorists, thanks to the CIA going back to the JFK assassination, you know, you get attacked for telling the truth and you get rewarded for lying or, you know, turning a blind eye.
00:31:30.000Punish those who tell the truth if we don't like it.
00:31:33.000And if the people in control with information dominance and all the power they have don't like it and then, you know, and reward those who go along with the deception.
00:31:43.000Well, what we have here is a crisis in the system because people have said when they voted for Donald Trump the first time around...
00:31:52.000They said, they send a message to the world, we don't like the system anymore.
00:32:19.000That is what it's saying to each and every one of us now.
00:32:22.000Just as you're responsible in your local community, you're responsible for being aware, you're responsible for making informed decisions, and you can't escape that responsibility.
00:32:46.000I'm so glad that our conversation covered the idea of personal culpability and responsibility.
00:32:51.000Politics doesn't need to be an entirely abstract facade, even as these new players enter onto the stage.
00:32:57.000And I feel like I'm experiencing political spectacle that I've never seen before, whether it's something like Elon Musk in the Oval Office, the $50 million worth of condom stuff.
00:33:09.000I mean, it just seems so novel and unusual to me.
00:33:16.000Yeah, that we're participants in power.
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00:35:33.000We've already talked somewhat about the conspiratorial revelations that are flowing forth and only now will we pivot to the confirmation of Tulsi Gabbard's Some have said that Tulsi Gabbard's confirmation is the most significant, or at least her appointment is the most significant, of the Trump's second administration.
00:35:55.000Let's have a quick look before we move into that topic.
00:36:29.000I know there have been numerous things that have happened since Trump took office, Neil, that have concerned you, the mRNA.
00:36:36.000AI stuff, the purported takeover of Gaza with Trump saying things like we'll just take it over, that the three of us discussed last week, but surely something like the confirmation of Tulsi Gabbard's calls for optimism, broadly speaking.
00:36:50.000Do you reckon that that, along with these revelations, Neil, is an indication that this is a different type of government?
00:36:56.000If we had a different type of legacy media now, wouldn't we be saying, you know, wow, Tulsi Gabbard's part of the Trump administration.
00:37:03.000This is so much more effective than anything we would have experienced under a kind of Kamala first term or an Obama's ninth term.
00:38:05.000He's been someone to whom powerful people have gone to in search of wisdom and suggested direction.
00:38:13.000And if he thinks that Tulsi Gabbard is the most important appointment of the, you know, of Trump 2.0, then I'm going to be, I would be open-minded about that.
00:38:23.000I was also encouraged, you know, I've spoken in recent times, you know, to Kvork Almassian, who's Syrian.
00:38:35.000He was very interested in the fact that Tulsi Gabbard had put herself out there as having spoken to Assad and had spoken to the Assad regime and she drew a lot of flack for having been someone she was accused of being an Assad puppet or an Assad apologist.
00:38:57.000Speaking from personal experience, if you're accused of being a so-and-so puppet or a so-and-so asset, then you're attracting flat because you're over the target.
00:39:05.000And also, again, another voice like Kavor Kalmassian.
00:39:09.000I listen to him because I think he's got wisdom that I don't have.
00:39:13.000Majid Nawaz, of Pakistani heritage, Englishman, extremely knowledgeable, extremely insightful.
00:39:26.000And he has sounded, he said to me in conversation that he is positive about the likes of Tulsi Gabbard being there.
00:39:34.000And so I'm always ready to listen at least to what people whose opinions I respect are saying.
00:39:45.000And I certainly think there's enough excitement around her.
00:39:50.000But unless and until it actually became apparent what she was actually going to do, what she was actually going to be able to do, I'll just wait and see.
00:40:01.000Do you think, Lara, that Tulsi Gabbard is the type of appointee that can impact the permanent state interest that many of us believe are at least being disrupted by this administration?
00:40:47.000He chose him for the same reason he chose Kelsey Gabbard, for the same reason he chose RFK Jr. He chose these people to clean out the deep state.
00:40:56.000He knew exactly what experience they had and didn't have.
00:41:01.000And the old system, the old way of doing things, would have been to choose the person.
00:41:06.000You know, that sort of was consistent with a typical kind of choice in the past.
00:41:10.000You know, okay, Lloyd Austin, one of the worst defense secretaries ever in the history of the United States, who gave Afghanistan to terrorists.
00:41:18.000Okay, that guy is, you know, a more typical kind of appointee, right?
00:41:22.000Kelsey Gabbard is a very unusual appointee.
00:41:24.000And what I think is particularly valuable about her is the fact that she came from the Democratic Party.
00:41:31.000She comes from a more libertarian outlook.
00:41:33.000She did go and talk to Assad, as Neil pointed out.
00:41:38.000What this shows is that Trump is not just looking for sort of monolithic political reamplification, right?
00:41:46.000He's not just trying to be in an echo chamber.
00:41:48.000You're going to hear, I mean, I know Tulsi Gabbard.
00:41:52.000She's not going to keep quiet about her opinions.
00:41:55.000If she doesn't agree or she doesn't think something's right or she looks at something in a different way, she's going to make that known and heard.
00:42:02.000And that, to me, It's very important coming out of government.
00:42:42.000These are people who have made it very clear that they march to their own drum.
00:42:47.000You're not going to tell Tulsi Gabbard to fall in line and do this and do that because you chose her because she's the type who doesn't just fall in line.
00:42:55.000It doesn't mean she's not going to be a team player.
00:43:14.000And so you have a combination here of a range of views, and then you have people who have made it very, very clear that they're going to stand their ground and they're going to fulfill their mission.
00:43:27.000And then I think what you see happening is they're being selected not because they fit the typical profile, but because they don't fit that profile.
00:43:35.000And we are in the phase of government here of cleaning up.
00:43:40.000I mean, this is decades, if not longer than that, more than a century in the making, this deep state infrastructure that he's cleaning out.
00:43:51.000And so that's going to take people who are not of the faint of heart, people who are willing to be attacked, who are willing to be savaged across the media, if that's what happens, and who are going to stand their ground.
00:44:02.000So, you know, I can tell you in all my personal dealings with Tulsi, She is definitely a very interesting person.
00:44:11.000And I agree with Neil that when someone is over the target, that's when you hear the loudest noise.
00:44:16.000The louder they shout about how much they don't want Telsey, the more interested I am in seeing what Telsey's able to do.
00:44:23.000Because the one and most important thing it tells me is that she's not owned by the deep state.
00:44:30.000Russell, you already mentioned Whitney Webb.
00:44:32.000And I'm guessing like you, I... I pay a lot of attention to what Whitney Webb has said and what she continues to say.
00:44:40.000You've already alluded to her more recent comments about if you think it's that easy to get rid of the deep state, you've got another thing coming.
00:44:49.000And I think that has to underlie everything that I'm thinking, everything that I am saying.
00:44:57.000I'm certainly not about to say that I can make a value judgment about the integrity of someone like What she really means and what she really intends to do.
00:45:08.000But I would be absolutely prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt.
00:45:11.000It all comes down to whether or not it's, if that person realistically has their foot on pedals and their hands on the steering wheel, you know, or have they been equipped with, you know, the toy steering wheel and whatever that you give to a toddler in the passenger seat so that they can feel like they're driving.
00:45:57.000Compared to the behaviour of the generals five miles back in the chateau, you know, making the decisions and they're not going to get killed.
00:46:04.000You know, Tulsi Gabbard could be, you know, a cipher for that kind of person who is wholehearted and is prepared to charge the guns.
00:46:13.000But are they being given the covering fire genuinely and wholeheartedly by the people that are making the decisions?
00:46:22.000In this limbo period in relation to the documents that were being promised they're going to be released, all the corruption that's going to get aired, the cleaning of the Ogian stables and all of the rest of it.
00:46:35.000But you certainly, with Whitney Webb's wisdom in mind, it's only an opportunity to hope for the best, but always be prepared for more of the same.
00:46:57.000Kind of vivacity and colour to his campaign with J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy that was absent from that sort of bland, sterile, anodyne, bureaucratic, democratic organisation that felt like a kind of conglomerate of empty ciphers and owned phantoms.
00:47:20.000And it does seem, at least whilst none of us can tell until they are in government to what degree To what degree they will be transparent, to what degree they will be anomalous, to what degree they will respond to the will of the public.
00:47:33.000But I can't help but think that, as Lara points out, with these kind of renegades that have been battle-tested and bulletproofed by adversity and abuse, if that is coupled with a diminishing of the permanent powers, which appears to be not the sole function, because there's a...
00:47:52.000Clearly an economic component, but an aspect of all of this sort of firing and slashing and 20,000 employees and voluntary redundancies, it seems like the strong intention is to create a very different type of government and to empower unusual leaders and individuals.
00:48:11.000And what's certainly sort of personally unique is like, you know, like Lara's saying and like you as well, Neil, I suppose, is some of these people now we know and we've spoken to and you, like...
00:48:20.000They don't seem like when I've encountered, say, Tony Blair or Gordon Brown or various other kind of political figures from the UK or Hillary Clinton, and you can almost feel the tremulous dread of deep state power oozing out of them like uranium.
00:48:42.000Shoot, this is going to be different, isn't it?
00:48:45.000It seems to me that it's at least different.
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00:49:06.000I think it's quite a unique place that we're in culturally because...
00:49:11.000Before the modern period, everywhere on earth, whatever the different religion or culture was, every culture thought that they owed something to God or to the gods.
00:49:18.000They thought they owed something to the realm of the divine, which was real and which was intertwined with their life.
00:49:55.000So we're in the point where we replaced God's will with human will.
00:49:59.000Just when you thought Trump could surprise you no further, he out of nowhere makes a post on his very own truth social saying war is over like a latter day lacquered John Lennon.
00:50:17.000Here is that Truth Social post where Trump says, and I can't read all of it, Neil and Lara, but the sort of gist of it is, I mean, this is like vintage Trump already.
00:50:29.000I had a lengthy and highly productive phone call with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
00:50:35.000We both reflected on the great history of our nations and the fact we fought so successfully in World War II. In short, Trump is saying we're on the precipice of a new peace deal and a type of new alliance with Putin.
00:50:53.000There's so much to unpack here, not least the fact that Trump seems to be able to intuitively construct propaganda on the fly.
00:51:04.000I wouldn't mind betting though, Lara, that we are probably closer to...
00:51:12.000A peace deal between Ukraine and Russia than at any point since Boris Johnson, Prime Minister of Britain, went over there and scuppered the last incarnation, presumably at the behest of Biden.
00:51:24.000Do you think, in spite of the extraordinary colours that appear in a post like this, not least Trump's claim to have invented the concept of common sense, that's buried in there somewhere, it's rather lovely.
00:51:35.000Do you think that we're sort of quite close to...
00:51:38.000Essentially believe that this is authentic and we're closer to achieving peace between Russia and Ukraine than at any point since this conflict began.
00:51:47.000Well, the Russia-Ukraine war should have been over a long time ago.
00:51:51.000I mean, if it was really just a fight between Russia and Ukraine, it wouldn't have lasted very long.
00:51:56.000It's only, you know, it's been sort of protracted because the West has been helping Vladimir Zelensky.
00:52:04.000And he's been dragging his own people out of their towns and cities and homes and forcing them at gunpoint to go to the front line and fight.
00:52:15.000The breadth of death and destruction is just awful.
00:52:20.000And it shouldn't have dragged on this long in the first place.
00:52:24.000And Trump, if you look at what he said on the campaign trail, he referred repeatedly to the fact that he was going to end this war as soon as he got into office.
00:52:32.000And if you look at what's been done, very little effort has been made to end this war up until this point.
00:52:38.000And it's really quite interesting because, you know, we have a very myopic view of the war in Ukraine.
00:52:45.000We just sort of very conveniently forget about the tens of thousands of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the East who have been massacred, you know, since the Maidan Revolution.
00:52:56.000We just, you know, sort of want to sweep that under the rug, the Crimea.
00:53:00.000The referendum, you know, that took place under Obama when people voted to go back to Russia.
00:53:06.000You know, Obama administration just dismissed that as if it was irrelevant.
00:54:26.000From the first Trump administration was designed to make it impossible for Trump to work with Putin in any way because that would have been used as affirming the false narrative that Trump was somehow a Russian spy who owed his presidency to Vladimir Putin.
00:54:45.000They made sure that they tied Trump's hands with respect to Russia in many ways.
00:54:51.000And when you look at the way the world is aligning right now, you look at the role of the North Koreans, you know, and their relationship with the Russians, you look at the role of the CCP, and how all these things are positioned, the US and Russia working together would be a very important strategic relationship, but it's been crippled and hindered by a false narrative.
00:55:12.000Well that's a brilliant take isn't it Neil?
00:55:15.000To see Putin and Trump as natural allies.
00:55:21.000How do you imagine the interests that clearly were backing the perpetuation of this war, whether they were media or corporate, the famous BlackRock proposals to rebuild a digital Ukraine, how are they going to respond to this new kind of diplomacy?
00:55:38.000And what does it tell us, Neil, when Trump seems to be able to translate his campaigning excellence, which was built on wit and spontaneity, Whether it be Donald Trump or anyone else,
00:56:01.000I am exhausted by the position that I was born and raised to subliminally accept that the world is supposed to run the way America says it does.
00:56:18.000I mean, what the hell is America doing in Ukraine?
00:56:26.000And that was the business, well, as far as you could, hypothetically, that was the business of European powers.
00:56:35.000You know, you go all the way back to the late 1990s when there were promises made that NATO wouldn't expand an inch into the east, expanded a thousand miles.
00:56:46.000What the hell is America doing there anyway?
00:56:49.000And that's before you get into all the intrigue about, you know, bioweapons labs and BlackRock and Vanguard up to their knees in it and Dick Cheney, you know, getting ready to take advantage of infrastructure and natural resources and all of the rest of it.
00:57:06.000And likewise, you know, there's Donald Trump.
00:57:10.000But again, I just mean him standing in for, you know, America saying we'll have the Israeli hostages back by the weekend or all hell will break loose.
00:57:21.000Again, why do we take it for granted that America, whoever the president is, is just going to step in and tell us how it's going to be, or else?
00:57:35.000And I think it's very interesting to watch Donald Trump playing brinkmanship at the moment, if he is, because you've got to wonder, has he already spent hours on the phone with Putin?
00:57:46.000Before and after he was elected and inaugurated and all of the rest of it.
00:57:50.000You know, is there in fact already something laid out that's just going to be revealed to us?
00:57:57.000But you would have to, having listened to people like Jeffrey Sachs, already mentioned, Colonel Douglas MacGregor and a host of other commentators besides, that Putin's in a very strong position.
00:58:23.000And it's very interesting to watch an American president continuing to play brinkmanship in that arena and saying, I'm going to bring peace within five minutes of me getting into the Oval Office and that's just how it's going to be.
00:58:38.000Again, I say again, it is exhausting at my age and after all this time to continue to have to listen to a President of the United States say how the world is going to be.
00:59:17.000I have been upset about and have questioned the legality of and the rightness of the war in Ukraine.
00:59:26.000From the minute it started, because it took five minutes online to find out about the US-led coup in 2014 and everything else that had happened since.
00:59:36.000It wasn't difficult to work out that the narrative that we were being fed was bollocks and that something else entirely was there readily to be understood.
00:59:47.000I don't know just the extent to which it has worked for Trump.
00:59:52.000In the past, you know, he throws something out there and it splashes cold water into everybody's face and everybody kind of reacts to it.
01:00:02.000You know, whether or not he's able to play the same game.
01:00:04.000But there are all sorts of reasons to be wondering about what on earth is going on in Ukraine.
01:00:09.000Again, I say, what on earth was America doing there?
01:00:12.000Why was America at war with Russia in Ukraine?
01:00:18.000You know, there's been plenty of questions asked about just exactly what on earth was going on there.
01:00:24.000And to come in now and say, well, I'm just going to say that the war's over and I'm going to declare peace in Europe.
01:00:38.000Well, Lara Logan claimed earlier that there's a covenant between God and the United States of America as, in a sense, they're an angel nation.
01:00:50.000But also, I think that's an interesting point that Neil's making.
01:00:54.000What is the international role of America?
01:00:56.000Certainly, as America rescinds its set of obligations, both military and economic, to countries outside of you guys' nation, seems increasingly reasonable to ask whether or not American isolationism would be beneficial to both America and potentially the world.
01:01:16.000When we began this conversation, we were talking about submerged narratives around everything from 9-11 to the murder of JFK. Why was there a conflict between Ukraine and Russia in the first place, in particular vis-a-vis the involvement of the United States of America?
01:01:35.000In short, there's surely a tale to be told about America's true interests in this conflict.
01:01:42.000And in a way, whatever we think about...
01:01:46.000Donald Trump's extraordinary diplomatic style certainly seems like it's a war that shouldn't be continuing, that needn't have ever involved the United States of America.
01:01:54.000It's costing a bunch of money, and it's difficult, other than the sort of obvious contenders listed by Neil there, to think of who's benefiting from it anyway.
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01:02:06.000Now they're pushing back when we try to take control of it for ourselves.
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01:02:13.000We all know that eating healthy is the key to staying healthy.
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01:03:45.000I mean, when Hitler invaded Ukraine, established Western Ukraine as the headquarters of the Nazi SS, Western Ukraine played a very, very, very big role in much of the bloodshed.
01:03:58.000And murder that happened during the Second World War.
01:04:02.000And yet the CIA protected the Nazis of Ukraine.
01:04:05.000And we find that out in Operation Paperclip and in the finest papers.
01:04:09.000You know, we find it out years later when these documents are declassified.
01:04:14.000But no one's ever held accountable for that.
01:04:50.000If you look at the media before the Russians invaded, you will see a plethora.
01:04:56.000of stories all about the Nazis of Ukraine.
01:04:59.000I have saved, you know, countless photographs of the Azov battalion, which is more like a division if you look at the numbers, or Ukrainian division, that had the Nazi Schwarz sticker as their symbol.
01:05:12.000I have photographs of them flying the Schwarz sticker and doing the Nazi salute and so on.
01:05:16.000So the US and Europe and Canada, the West, has been arming And equipping the Nazis of Ukraine for decades.
01:05:26.000Boris Johnson hosted the Azov Battalion in a private members club in London.
01:05:34.000And Vladimir Zelensky gave a standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament to an actual veteran of the SS in the Canadian Parliament and called him a hero for fighting.
01:05:47.000For fighting World War II. That's right.
01:05:52.000Against Russia, so that we were invited to walk through the Looking Glass and join Alice in Wonderland.
01:06:16.000You know, the Nazism that was not neo-Nazism, but Nazism in Ukraine was there for all to see.
01:06:23.000And remember, all of that is happening while, you know, anyone who believes in nationalism or Donald Trump or whatever is being demonized as a Nazi by the people who are funding the real Nazis and protecting the real Nazis in Ukraine and other places.
01:07:00.000And then if you remember, diplomatic protocol in the West is that foreign ambassadors do not involve themselves in elections and partisan local politics because it's against the diplomatic code.
01:07:12.000It's how you get yourself kicked out of the country.
01:07:14.000But the Ukrainian ambassador to the US in 2016, during the campaign against Hillary Clinton, he didn't feel anything about writing an editorial weighing in and basically saying that Ukraine stood with Hillary Clinton and they wouldn't work with Donald Trump.
01:07:43.000Well, you find out that this woman, Alexandra Chalupa, who was a democratic operative for the DNC, was very involved in the whole Russia collusion narrative.
01:07:53.000And then you find out the U.S. finally admits that it did have bio labs all over Ukraine.
01:07:59.000And then you start to look at, well, what is this going on with...
01:08:03.000With the Maidan revolution, you got Victoria Nuland, Obama's Secretary of State, handing out bloody cookies on the streets.
01:08:12.000And then you have leaked conversations of Newland and, you know, a senior diplomat, U.S. diplomat at the time, you know, talking about selecting who was going to lead Ukraine and who wasn't.
01:08:25.000John Solomon from Just the News who got eviterated on the floor of the House during the first impeachment because what did he dare to do?
01:08:32.000He dared to expose that, you know, the Open Society Foundation under George Soros.
01:08:38.000An NGO, for goodness sake, was directing U.S. policy through the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, telling the U.S. ambassador to tell the Ukrainian government who they could and couldn't investigate for corruption.
01:08:52.000And then, by the way, you have Joe Biden saying, you know, boasting at the Council on Foreign Relations that I told them, do this, do that, and if you don't do it, you're not getting the billion dollars.
01:09:02.000And don't you think it's kind of odd that then Hunter Biden turns up and he's on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian oil company, and it's like all these roads constantly lead you back to Ukraine.
01:09:13.000Maria Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador, who, can I just say, you know, actually works for the United States people, right?
01:09:21.000She tells the government in Ukraine, don't worry about Donald Trump.
01:09:24.000Back in 2016-17, she says, he's not the real leader of America.
01:09:32.000And why wasn't she ever held accountable for subversion and treason?
01:09:36.000And so you have this tiny territory that is now the recipient, and I don't know, how many billions are they?
01:09:42.000Why do we care so much about what is happening in Ukraine?
01:09:46.000This country that has been laundering money for the elites for an extraordinary period of time, it has an outsized level of importance that really doesn't add up.
01:09:57.000Plainly, I would say, I mean, that's before you get to, well, obviously, Zelensky's been on.
01:10:01.000Trumpeting, whatever it is, $14 trillion worth of rare earth metals, you know, in the very part of Ukrainian territory that Putin has occupied and all of the rest of it.
01:10:14.000But I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that that part of Europe, that part of Eastern Europe, and call it Ukraine, call it anything else, has an almost mythical importance for the great powers.
01:10:28.000Because as you say, Lara, You look on at it, at the intensity of the determination to be involved in that part of the world, and all of the strangeness that is inherent in it, be it the Nazism and all of the rest of it that is in that part of the world, you almost have to begin to wonder if there isn't some other unspoken ideological determination to be in control of that person.
01:10:55.000Apparently Putin took the remains of Potemkin out of a burial ground in Ukraine and repatriated it back to Russia because of the personal significance that Potemkin had for him.
01:11:15.000it feels like there's a missing piece in the puzzle.
01:11:18.000That as you say, the great powers are circling, vulture-like around that part of Europe.
01:11:26.000It doesn't add up unless we get to hear exactly something else that we're not being told.
01:11:31.000And by the way, if you look at Odessa and Lugansk and all of these cities across eastern Ukraine, when you start to dig into it, you find that thousands and thousands of Russian citizens have been murdered by the Ukrainian government and nobody says a word.
01:11:47.000It's like none of those people matter.
01:11:49.000And then, by the way, people who mostly speak Russian, they stand up and they vote in their own referendum.
01:11:55.000And going back to your thing, Neil, that you're tired of hearing U.S. presidents say this and say that, and Obama sits there and says, well, that's not a legitimate election.
01:12:04.000Who the hell are you to say that when people, you know, stand up and vote and say, this is what we want, we want to go back to Mother Russia, that there's no merit in that?
01:12:16.000You know, I just feel like there's been so much dishonesty around this.
01:12:19.000Oliver Stone did, of course, a great, you know, documentary about the Maidan revolution, the color revolution carried out in Ukraine.
01:12:27.000And it's interesting, not just because of what it tells you about the region, but because the tactics that were used.
01:12:32.000You know, and when you start to dig a little deeper, what you find is it's not just that we're killing people in the crowd to make them angry and to make them rise up.
01:12:40.000They were also killing people, you know, on the Ukrainian military side.
01:12:45.000And what you increasingly find when you dig a little bit deeper is that these people find both sides of the conflict.
01:12:53.000And they, you know, they really do pit people against each other.
01:12:59.000You're told the Second World War they were fighting to stop fascism.
01:13:02.000Okay, but then you look at the communists.
01:13:18.000And what you start to see is that they're not really very different at all.
01:13:22.000You know, they're two sides of the same coin.
01:13:25.000And so you start to feel sort of increasingly manipulated.
01:13:29.000I bet when you scratch the surface, you'll find that the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, you know, it's full of people who are funded by the George Soroses of this world, right?
01:13:39.000Adolf Hitler was on the record saying that the best recruiting ground, you know, for new Nazis was the Communist Party.
01:15:57.000And we don't know if it's going to hold because we don't know what form that snake then takes and what, you know, bill of goods we get sold next and how that emerges.
01:16:08.000But the one thing I would say to you, Russell, that I don't agree with, when you keep on saying we're on the verge of a new form of government, I think we're on the verge of an old form of government.
01:16:21.000And this country, as it was founded, and you look at the Republic, all we have to do is uphold what was already created for us.
01:16:30.000We don't have to invent a new form of government.
01:16:32.000What's new is if people are actually telling the truth, if people actually stay true to those principles, and they actually uphold and fulfill the oath of office, and they do what they said they would do, and their actions match their promises and their words.
01:16:52.000That's a beautiful analysis, as always.
01:16:55.000It strikes me as intriguing that the Ukraine conflict inherited the cynicism and type of scrutiny that we'd become familiar with in the pandemic.
01:17:07.000In particular, I mean, independent and online journalism.
01:17:11.000We're due to technology and the miracle of modern communications.
01:17:14.000In real time, we were inquiring and exposing false narratives almost as they were being unleashed upon us.
01:17:22.000The Nord Stream pipeline story being one that comes to mind as an idea that was initially pushed, as well as those missiles that were said to have come from Poland, which appeared to be an initial attempt to exacerbate the conflict.
01:17:35.000It fell away when people were able, like, you know, significant and verifiable trusted voices like, I think it was Seymour Hoffman, were able to sort of point out through their reporting that we were being lied to almost as it was happening.
01:17:47.000And I feel that, you know, we began our conversation talking about conspiracy theories, and in a sense, maybe the reason that the categories of misinformation and disinformation have had to be created is because now it's impossible.
01:18:01.000If a sitting president were murdered now, The proliferation and dissemination of dissenting information would be so immediate and so thorough that you would have a significant early opposition.
01:18:16.000What struck me too when you were talking about the kind of time frame that these events are taking place over when you look at the Nazi involvement in the history of Ukraine and you mentioned Project Paperclip is sometimes while listening to you both I get a glimpse of an ulterior and obfuscated history that likely takes place,
01:18:37.000as you said, serpentine and reptilian in the shadows and that perhaps these revelations that we discussed in part one will puncture, permeate and prevent From proceeding.
01:18:51.000So what I mean by a new type of politics is it seems like since the advent of the Constitution, there have been forces working continually against it.
01:18:59.000And I'm reading a bit about that at the moment and the Congressional Pact that it emerged out of, or the Confederate Pact, rather, excuse me, that it emerged out of.
01:19:08.000And it seems that there's always been a tension in the United States of America between centralised power and regionalised power.
01:19:16.000And one of my hopes is that all of this anti- Bureaucratic and end to autonomous bureaucracy conversation will lead precisely to empowered individuals and communities like Neil suggested it, or if it's to mean anything at all, it surely must.
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