Stay Free - Russel Brand - Jordan Peterson Part 2 - “Why The Woke Agenda Is A Path To Lawlessness & Social Collapse!” SF478

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00:02:32.000 Hello there you Awakening Wonders.

00:02:34.000 Welcome to a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:38.000 We are, in order actually to make up for some of the catastrophic technological challenges of the last week, giving you an additional conversation with Jordan Peterson that should only be available to our Awakened Wonders.

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00:03:25.000 Here's my conversation with Jordan Peterson filmed.

00:03:28.000 In the local studio in Miami, getting deep about Christ in the way that only Jordan Peterson can.

00:03:36.000 One day recently, me and my mate Joe, we were travelling down a country lane.

00:03:40.000 Joe, me and him, we walked the path together.

00:03:42.000 He participated, in fact, in my baptism.

00:03:43.000 Catholic lad, good lad.

00:03:45.000 Joe has passed and he can look after himself physically, shall we say.

00:03:50.000 We're stopped by the police on a winding rural road in England because a tree has fallen.

00:03:56.000 We can see the tree arcing over the road.

00:03:58.000 It's not yet entirely fallen and the local constabulary tell us You can't go down there because that tree's fallen.

00:04:05.000 And I say, well, are you saying that we're not allowed to go down there?

00:04:10.000 Or are you saying that you will prevent us from going down there?

00:04:13.000 Are you just advising us that it's dangerous?

00:04:15.000 Or are we sort of free and we can assess for ourselves whether or not we're willing to take that risk?

00:04:20.000 And the guy says, you're not allowed down there.

00:04:22.000 Me and Joe bridle a little bit of the assertion of this authority.

00:04:26.000 we get back into the car and Joe says like that, you know, what kind of impulses occurred to him under those circumstances.

00:04:32.000 And I said, it's very interesting, isn't it, Joe?

00:04:34.000 Because if you'd have acted on those impulses, imagine the consequences that would unfold from that kind of confrontation, given how seriously those matters are treated, understandably, because the thin blue line between sort of order and chaos...

00:04:49.000 Isn't it curious to reflect that if you take an atemporal perspective on this, the power that they are utilizing and deploying to prevent us going down that pathway has the same genesis as the impulse that we had to curtail in so much as a long,

00:05:09.000 long time ago there were various tribes and some of those tribes were more successful than those other tribes and eventually over time They coagulate and become a monarchy, and the monarchy requires a police force, and the police force is formed, and the police force is charged with keeping order.

00:05:22.000 What undergirds all of that power, ultimately, if you trace it back far enough, you know, you could argue in a well-run system, and that would have to be some kind of electoral democracy, some sort of representative order, wouldn't it, on some level, although, you know, I've heard people make cases for feudalism these days,

00:05:38.000 or benign dictatorships, that the power itself of authority is just a line of The power that those police were able to hold over us was the same power that we might decide to use to overpower them in that moment,

00:06:06.000 just with a few badges and a uniform.

00:06:09.000 And a bit of time.

00:06:10.000 Some time ago, these institutions and organizations were formed.

00:06:13.000 On what basis?

00:06:15.000 The ability, who, you know, it's sort of a Foucault argument, which I know you won't like.

00:06:18.000 Who's allowed to use violence?

00:06:20.000 Who is allowed to kill?

00:06:22.000 Now, I suppose what's interesting there is even in a moment like that one, we're talking about who should have power?

00:06:27.000 Should it be me, the individual?

00:06:29.000 And what's my power undergirded?

00:06:30.000 I've heard you talk many times like the malpower is ultimately underwritten by violence.

00:06:34.000 We'd have to sort of make a decision.

00:06:35.000 Oh, are we going to take this to the point where we're going to What is unquestionable power?

00:06:49.000 What is indefatigable, indisputable power?

00:06:52.000 When you talk about this sort of ambivalence, the chaotic characters that enter continually through myth, normally in the guise of some harlequin or trickster, a person that refuses to, you know, either the face is covered, they don't bear the mark of the divine, they're not made in his likeness, they are pied, they are neither the light pillar or the dark pillar.

00:07:13.000 These figures are terrifying as precisely as you said because they're not operating within that order.

00:07:18.000 Now what I think we're in at the moment Is that merely the prelude, we are eating the appetizers, not the main dish, and something like the Olympic ceremony is part of the inauguring of that ambiguity and chaos.

00:07:32.000 Hey, Jesus Christ, your most revered figure, let's play him like this!

00:07:35.000 Or, oh, it was just Dionysian, it was just a bit of Bacchanalian fun, kind of curious reference in itself, actually.

00:07:41.000 That's for sure.

00:07:42.000 And what flows, I would offer, and I'm asking, what flows out of that is now the assertion of a centrifugal force that benefits from the chaos that was temporarily induced through the sort of the offerings of hedonism, through licentiousness, through, hey, there are no boundaries to sex because they're quite an odd...

00:08:02.000 The concomitant component of this, Jordan Peterson, is there is, in my country, I recognise, and I've been the subject of, an odd puritanism and a conflating of the, you know, it's a conversation that we had some time ago, actually, the ability to attract as predation. 0.90

00:08:19.000 That all the while, this permissiveness, hey, be what you want, do what you want, do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law, this literal satanic shit that's sort of flowing out, is this odd puritanism. 0.93

00:08:30.000 It has to happen. 0.98

00:08:31.000 So my point is this.

00:08:33.000 What's this peculiar contradiction and hypocrisy that exists in this apparent permissiveness?

00:08:40.000 Do you see that Olympic festival as a sort of a bizarre ceremony of jokers, almost?

00:08:46.000 Do you see ambiguity as a precursor to a more stringent Order.

00:08:52.000 Because I recognize, obviously, almost on a sort of a, there's a snake level. 0.97

00:08:56.000 That ambiguity is fucking terrifying. 0.95

00:08:58.000 And I wonder, though, why it's terrifying. 0.98

00:09:01.000 I reckon it's a precipitous and uncanny fear that where on some level you know some dark thing comes, something slouches towards Bethlehem to be his antichrist, his satanic.

00:09:13.000 We know that it only appears to be ambiguous, but what follows it is quite definitive.

00:09:19.000 I want to make all that.

00:09:20.000 Thank God it's you on the other end of this conversation.

00:09:23.000 Otherwise, the answer might be, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:09:27.000 Okay, so the first thing I would say, we could use as an example what's happened at many university campuses.

00:09:32.000 Okay, so there's an insistence in our culture that all forms of sexual conduct whatsoever are not only allowable, but laudable and to be celebrated.

00:09:42.000 No matter what they are.

00:09:43.000 And that makes itself manifest, I would say, not only, but quite particularly on university campuses, where all forms of identity are given equivalent worth and celebrated, right?

00:09:56.000 Everyone can love who they want the way that they want, let's say, as if what we're talking about is love, and very rarely is.

00:10:03.000 All right, so it's the same campuses where you see And this was particularly true about five years ago, where there was insistence from often the same people that any interaction that was physical between a young man and a young woman of any sort had to be bounded by something approximating a written contract.

00:10:22.000 What does consent mean?

00:10:24.000 And the reason for that, so what you see first is that everything goes, and then you see second, yeah, but nothing is permissible, which is exactly the response you'd expect from that chaotic hedonism.

00:10:37.000 And what's the reason for that?

00:10:40.000 Well, the reason for that is that anything goes, that's too much.

00:10:44.000 It calls out for a kind of regulation.

00:10:47.000 It's too much.

00:10:48.000 It's too confusing.

00:10:49.000 I can be anything I want.

00:10:51.000 I can do anything I want whenever I want with anyone I want.

00:10:54.000 It's like, that's too much.

00:10:57.000 It's too destabilizing.

00:10:59.000 It's too upsetting.

00:11:00.000 And it's actually also literally dangerous.

00:11:03.000 You're throwing your hands.

00:11:04.000 One of the things we know, for example, this is a terrible thing too.

00:11:09.000 There have been personality analysis of people, men in particular, but it's also true for women.

00:11:14.000 So imagine that there are people who tilt towards long-term commitment and there are people who tilt temperamentally towards short-term mating opportunities.

00:11:24.000 That's how the evolutionary biologists talk about it.

00:11:26.000 So long-term commitment, short-term sexual access.

00:11:30.000 Alright, then you can map the personalities of the people on those two extremes. 0.98

00:11:34.000 The men who prioritize short-term sexual access are Machiavellian, narcissistic, Psychopathic and sadistic. 0.66

00:11:47.000 And so, the hedonism that characterizes the sexual revolution throws women into the hands of predators. 1.00

00:11:54.000 The consequence of that is the terror that produces the desire for regulation of sexual behavior.

00:12:00.000 The demand for the regulation is precisely proportionate to the degree of disarray on the hedonistic side.

00:12:06.000 Right, so part of it is Many young people are just forgoing relationships altogether.

00:12:12.000 Maybe the young men are turning to pornography.

00:12:13.000 God only knows what the young women are doing. 1.00

00:12:15.000 And you get this call for the heaviest possible hand of the intrusive patriarchal state.

00:12:26.000 So that's part of the answer to the multitude of questions that you put forward.

00:12:30.000 You see, the psychoanalysts always knew this, is that there's some target that's being aimed at.

00:12:38.000 And if you stray too far in one direction, you get a counter-response on the other, in the same person.

00:12:44.000 So if you're The person who's thrown themselves into hedonism headlong will have an unconscious longing for the order that will either suppress that in the pathological sense or rectify it, bring it back to the middle, bring it back to the place that's more meaningful.

00:13:02.000 Now, what you'd hope for in a situation like that would be something approximating a genuine religious transformation.

00:13:07.000 Right.

00:13:08.000 That's what you'd hope for.

00:13:10.000 Now, and that brings up another point that you made that touches on the postmodern issue.

00:13:14.000 So you said when you were with your friend and you were dealing with the tree authoritarians, you had a flight of fancy that indicated that the authority that the police were using was a derivation of the same rebellious spirit that made itself manifest in you. 0.68

00:13:28.000 Ability to enact violence.

00:13:30.000 Right, right.

00:13:30.000 And part of the heavy hand of the patriarchal state, and you referenced Foucault.

00:13:36.000 So there's a real question that underlies all that, and the question is, on what authority is the legitimate state founded?

00:13:44.000 And Foucault would say, there is no authority but power.

00:13:47.000 That's the postmodern claim.

00:13:49.000 It's a vicious claim.

00:13:51.000 It's the postmodern neo-Marxist claim, to be more precise.

00:13:53.000 There is no authority but power.

00:13:56.000 In the Judeo-Christian tradition, exactly the inverse of that is true, because the insistence within the Christian tradition in particular, though it's got its roots in Judaism, is that the king of all kings is exactly the person, so if that's Christ, the king of all kings is precisely the person who subordinates their sovereignty to true service to the most downtrodden and outcasts.

00:14:20.000 Exactly!

00:14:21.000 It's the inverse, it's the absolute inverse of the power principle.

00:14:25.000 That's why Christ so peculiarly forgoes his ability to use authority, even in the face of mortal threat, and the Jews who are surrounding him at that time, this has nothing to say about Judaism, the people who surround, his own people who surround him at that time, are struck dumb that he doesn't come Forward in all his glory as a figure of power. 0.63

00:14:50.000 But there's a transformation there, and the transformation is predicated on the idea that the most fundamental and redemptive form of sovereignty itself, the authority on which the state is based, is service of the highest to the lowest.

00:15:05.000 Right.

00:15:05.000 Right?

00:15:05.000 And that's...

00:15:07.000 It's a stunningly brilliant inversion, and it's sufficiently stunning, by the way, historically speaking, independent of its theological connotations, is that the revelation that that attitude constitutes demolishes Rome and destroys the pagan world.

00:15:23.000 Right, so say what you want, theologically, the force of that Re-capitulation, that re-imagination of what constitutes the basis of proper sovereignty is so powerful that it defeats imperial Rome, a country based on power and very effectively, right?

00:15:41.000 Very effectively.

00:15:42.000 And so that's a thing that's so bloody remarkable.

00:15:44.000 And then with the English state, you know, the English state itself, insofar as it was a benevolent It was a form of benevolent social organization, and it was to a marked degree.

00:15:57.000 It wasn't predicated on the, what would you say, the taking to the state of power.

00:16:06.000 It wasn't predicated on that.

00:16:08.000 It was predicated on the proper Relationship of the sovereign king to the highest form of sovereignty.

00:16:15.000 I think that was exemplified, for example, by Queen Elizabeth, who was a remarkable monarch, not least because it wasn't about her.

00:16:23.000 It was about her fealty.

00:16:24.000 It's just something that was above her, and she was unbelievably effective at that.

00:16:28.000 I know she's not a true temporal leader, but she was certainly a leader and example.

00:16:33.000 The rest of the conversation is going to be off YouTube.

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00:16:42.000 I like that not only is there the position of king as servant by his associations, his relationship, his practices in the Gospels, there is also the silence at the trial.

00:16:59.000 While on trial, under human conditions, Christ says next to nothing.

00:17:06.000 He says the bare minimum.

00:17:08.000 This married to the idea that he experiences the real anguish of Gethsemane.

00:17:15.000 He's not.

00:17:16.000 There is no part of Christ that's, well, I'm actually God, so this is going to be okay in the long term.

00:17:23.000 This has to take you beyond reason.

00:17:25.000 This has to deliver you to a peace beyond all understanding.

00:17:28.000 This does have to show the limitations of the pagan world and of the empirical power of Rome.

00:17:38.000 It must, therefore, transcend that.

00:17:40.000 And then if I can add to it, Jordan, when we were chatting outside, we were saying that, you know, all things have a symbolic connotation.

00:17:48.000 To sort of exist at all, meaning must be derived from them, or exist, stroke, be registered, be read.

00:17:55.000 Another of those moments that I've experienced in my personal conversion, and I'd be interested of course because I know you've just done some work on the Beatitudes for your university, is that when I think about the last shall be first and the first shall be last, the assumption is that that's a reordering based on economics.

00:18:16.000 But when I apply that in my own life, the first shall be last and the last shall be first, who's first in my life?

00:18:22.000 Me!

00:18:23.000 Who's last in my life?

00:18:24.000 People that can't do anything from me.

00:18:26.000 When I am with Christ, the people that I can't do anything for become most important to me.

00:18:32.000 And I myself become least important to me.

00:18:34.000 And that is how I know that I am with Christ.

00:18:37.000 To this point you made earlier about power for power's sake.

00:18:42.000 I suppose, you know, that all these dynamics and hegemonies are founded upon the Foucauldian idea that its only power is power for power's sake.

00:18:50.000 Indeed, is that not...

00:18:52.000 Or power for hedonism's sake.

00:18:53.000 And that's a relevant feature of Foucault, as far as I'm concerned.

00:18:56.000 Right, certainly the way he carried it on.

00:18:58.000 Absolutely, 100%.

00:19:00.000 Well, the other thing, too, is that part of, you've got to ask yourself, is why do you need power?

00:19:05.000 And the answer is, so I can get you to do things for me that you don't want to do, right?

00:19:09.000 Things I want you to do that you don't want to do.

00:19:12.000 So power is the handmaiden of hedonism in very many ways.

00:19:16.000 Power is the handmaiden of hedonism.

00:19:17.000 I still think you may have that inverted.

00:19:19.000 Well, that doesn't matter.

00:19:20.000 You can make the contrary case as well.

00:19:22.000 It might be circular.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, it's a dance.

00:19:28.000 When, yes, relational, perhaps like a sort of an inversion.

00:19:31.000 Definitely, that's exactly what's portrayed in Cabaret. 1.00

00:19:33.000 An inversion.

00:19:34.000 An inversion of the trinity, an inversion of the relational aspects of the Father-Son and the Holy Ghost, an absolute interpersonal superstate of potentiality that only collapses into wave or particle in relationship with another conscious entity, i.e.

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00:21:05.000 I just want to wrap up with this point.

00:21:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:08.000 Once you extract God, and like, of course, you're the person that's probably popularized, certainly more than anyone I know, the idea that even if you don't believe in God and you're an atheist and a materialist, if you have any values at all, that is functionally God in your...

00:21:21.000 Whatever you put in the highest place is God functionally.

00:21:23.000 Absolutely.

00:21:24.000 Absolutely.

00:21:25.000 If you remove God-God, divinity, the Christian principle that you just outlined, from the highest to the low, serve to serve to surrender, if you obliterate that, or another word for obliterate, annihilate it, With festivals of nihilism, this is what I think the function of Epicureanism and Hedonism is, I think it is, it does have a telos, and maybe that's a challenge to its ambiguity, that it's to create the conditions where there is no meaning.

00:21:53.000 Once there is no meaning, we can lay claim to the very authority that we were trying, that the globalism, corporatism, materialism, rationalism, postmodernism, It's trying to deconstruct before our eyes.

00:22:06.000 Indeed, the only dam, the only guardrails, the only guard against this kind of, this absolute tyranny that we might, I think, be on the precipice of experiencing is God or at least some sort of consensus around good.

00:22:20.000 Okay, okay.

00:22:21.000 So let's take that apart for a minute.

00:22:23.000 Let's think about it in terms of the Nietzschean proclamation of the death of God.

00:22:28.000 Let's make the assumption that the God whose death Nietzsche announced was Christ, for the sake of this argument.

00:22:36.000 Okay, okay.

00:22:36.000 So, now, Christ as sovereign principle is the proposition that the proper source of union of psyche and union of society is the voluntary, self-sacrificial principle that the passion portrays.

00:22:52.000 Okay, so that's the highest principle of sovereignty.

00:22:55.000 That's actually the pattern that generates order out of chaos, the willingness to confront chaos, mortality, malevolence.

00:23:01.000 And to do that voluntarily, to put yourself at that service and to do it in the service of what's lowest.

00:23:06.000 That's the supreme principle.

00:23:08.000 Christ announced that as the essence of the law and the prophets.

00:23:11.000 And John announced that as identical to the word that existed at the beginning of time.

00:23:15.000 That's the supreme principle.

00:23:16.000 Okay, now you destroy that.

00:23:18.000 All right, so then you ask, well, what subsidiary gods emerge to rule?

00:23:24.000 Well, Nietzsche already knew this.

00:23:25.000 Nietzsche said, well, nihilism will rear its head immediately, because the highest meaning deteriorates.

00:23:31.000 It calls into question whether meaning at all exists.

00:23:33.000 Nihilism, he said, will turn to radical communal ideology.

00:23:37.000 And he actually identified communism, per se.

00:23:39.000 And he said that hundreds of millions of people would die in the ensuing centuries as a consequence.

00:23:43.000 Right, and so...

00:23:45.000 So you could think about that as the emergence of power.

00:23:48.000 Now, it's a particular Marxist version of power, but that's fine.

00:23:52.000 Power.

00:23:53.000 The other thing that emerges is sexuality.

00:23:55.000 You can even see that in what happened, is that Freud, for example, psychoanalyst, secular, who emerged right in the aftermath of Nietzsche, said, oh, well, God's dead.

00:24:05.000 Freud is a secular atheist.

00:24:07.000 What rules? 0.96

00:24:08.000 Sex.

00:24:09.000 Right?

00:24:09.000 Adler said power.

00:24:11.000 Nietzsche said power.

00:24:12.000 You know, Nietzsche is more complicated because he's such a sophisticated figure.

00:24:15.000 But let's just think about it practically.

00:24:18.000 You remove the principle of voluntary sacrifice from the highest place.

00:24:21.000 Well, what are the next two sub-gods that emerge?

00:24:25.000 Well, how about power as a unifying force?

00:24:27.000 He's like, if it's not God, then what is it?

00:24:29.000 Well, how about power?

00:24:30.000 If it's not power, well, how about sexuality?

00:24:35.000 Well, yeah.

00:24:35.000 Well, of course.

00:24:36.000 Well, obviously, right?

00:24:38.000 Obviously.

00:24:39.000 And then you get the degenerate state of power and the degenerate state of sexuality.

00:24:43.000 Of course that's how it's going to work.

00:24:45.000 In the helix model, how power moves through matter is sexuality.

00:24:50.000 How power exists through matter.

00:24:52.000 How energy, how charge, how life, biopolitics, how life moves through matter and moves through time is sex and sexuality.

00:25:00.000 And oddly oxymoronic.

00:25:02.000 Odd and oxymoronic is the fact that it's forms of sex that are not procreative that become most celebrated because they have as their terminus, to quote an idea from Jeremiah, instead of the continual flow of the living waters, all of us make cisterns of our individual identity.

00:25:19.000 All of us form pools of pleasure, epicurean little pools of effluvia to sort of Splash around in, dowsing ourselves in the stink of personal epicurean joy instead of being part of the flow, i.e.

00:25:34.000 that pleasure is a byproduct of the sexual function.

00:25:37.000 It's a pool that becomes stagnant and corrupted very rapidly.

00:25:40.000 This was also something Dostoevsky understood.

00:25:43.000 It's like that, see, I mean, part of the problem, you might say, why not?

00:25:47.000 I think this was true of the events in your own life.

00:25:50.000 It's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask.

00:25:52.000 If you can have an endless vista of hedonistic pleasure, particularly in a sexual front, why wouldn't you?

00:26:00.000 And one answer is, well, unbeknownst to you, it devours itself.

00:26:04.000 It does it socially, it does it psychologically, and you will inevitably experience that.

00:26:09.000 Now, most people aren't in that position, because they...

00:26:12.000 They don't have that vista available for exploration.

00:26:15.000 And then their morality is, well, I wouldn't do that even if I had the chance.

00:26:19.000 It's like, yeah, right.

00:26:20.000 Wait until it's dangled in front of you there, buckle.

00:26:23.000 What is Faust?

00:26:23.000 What is Midas?

00:26:24.000 Here you go.

00:26:25.000 Try it.

00:26:26.000 What is the genie?

00:26:27.000 What is all of it?

00:26:28.000 Try it.

00:26:29.000 See what happens to you.

00:26:30.000 And not everyone gets to experience the access.

00:26:34.000 And when indeed the only thing that possibly could have prevented me having that journey would have been...

00:26:41.000 Probably some kind of patriarchal or divine feminine principle or some alliance of the two that would say, even though this would seem expedient, even though your culture is glorifying this for yourself...

00:26:55.000 It's a hallmark of success.

00:26:57.000 Yes, a hallmark of success is what you're supposed to be doing. 0.98

00:27:00.000 The Whore of Babylon has a golden cup. 0.96

00:27:02.000 There's a reason for that, right? 0.99

00:27:04.000 It's like, this is what wealth offers you.

00:27:06.000 Unlimited access.

00:27:07.000 It's the very definition of success.

00:27:09.000 You know, and there's something that's true about that, right?

00:27:11.000 Because one of the things that is predictive of male success on the sexual front is socioeconomic status.

00:27:19.000 It's the best predictor.

00:27:20.000 Like, this is a very complicated problem.

00:27:23.000 It's like, why isn't...

00:27:25.000 Infinite sexual access, a valid predictor of hierarchical success.

00:27:31.000 Well, the reason, turns out to be, is that it devours itself.

00:27:34.000 It devours itself.

00:27:35.000 It's not a sustainable game.

00:27:36.000 It's not a sustainable game, psychologically or communally.

00:27:39.000 And I think part of the reason, look, this dark tetrad literature is very, very...

00:27:44.000 What's that, dark tetrad? 0.68

00:27:45.000 Psychopath, narcissist, Machiavellian, sadistic. 0.91

00:27:48.000 That's the constellation of personality traits that... 0.77

00:27:50.000 Because one of the things that is inevitable, if...

00:27:54.000 Inevitable concomitant of that is that if you treat...

00:28:00.000 If you have exceptional access to interchangeable women, you... 0.99

00:28:08.000 Train yourself to have the spirit of a psychopath. 0.89

00:28:11.000 That's what happens.

00:28:12.000 There's no way out of that, because you're commoditizing people.

00:28:16.000 And so if you train yourself to commoditize people, you will suffer the consequences of doing exactly that.

00:28:21.000 Now, if you happen to be a psychopath, it's like, hey, no problem.

00:28:24.000 But if you don't, It's not going to be, it will eat your soul. 0.99

00:28:31.000 It will eat your soul. 0.67

00:28:32.000 Yes.

00:28:33.000 Yes.

00:28:33.000 And you'll think, well, I've got everything anybody could want.

00:28:35.000 It's like, yeah, no, no.

00:28:39.000 Psychopath is a clinical term.

00:28:40.000 I wonder if there is a liturgical, ecclesiastical or theological, would it be satanic?

00:28:49.000 Would it be selfhood?

00:28:50.000 Would it be glorification of self extracted from external principles?

00:28:58.000 It's certainly the case that the darkest figures in the mythological landscape are the prideful intellects that want to usurp God's place.

00:29:08.000 There's no worse sin in the biblical Scheme than the sin of pride.

00:29:14.000 And that's the usurping spirit.

00:29:15.000 You see, the serpent that Eve interacts with in the desert, in the garden, is the usurper.

00:29:22.000 The serpent literally says to Eve, you can take to...

00:29:26.000 It's so remarkable.

00:29:27.000 He says something very particular.

00:29:29.000 It's like, God told you not to Master the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

00:29:35.000 You can't take that to yourself.

00:29:37.000 You can't incorporate that one fruit.

00:29:39.000 You do not get to define the moral order.

00:29:41.000 You do not get...

00:29:42.000 God said that!

00:29:44.000 But he's wrong.

00:29:45.000 If you take that to yourself, you become like gods.

00:29:48.000 You become like gods.

00:29:50.000 And so Eve says, I'm in for that, right?

00:29:52.000 And she does that. 0.54

00:29:53.000 She presumes that she can define the moral order. 0.84

00:29:56.000 That's her sin of pride, right?

00:29:58.000 So she eats the fruit.

00:29:59.000 And then Adam, in his...

00:30:03.000 Dismal beta malehood says something like, anything you want, dear.

00:30:07.000 You know, I can reorder things any way you want, as long as it pleases you.

00:30:10.000 That's the man who will do anything to please the woman. 1.00

00:30:13.000 She's possessed by the spirit of pride, and he'll do anything to please her.

00:30:17.000 That's the eternal sins of man and woman. 0.99

00:30:19.000 Oh, how cool.

00:30:20.000 So in a sense, that's exactly what's playing out now.

00:30:23.000 It's we are saying and living and practicing, we will take it from here.

00:30:29.000 We, through technology, That's the Tower of Babel.

00:30:33.000 We will, citizen management, we will control, we will take over, we will, through cultural ideology, replace what appeared to be sort of permanent and even universal realities when it comes to taxonomies.

00:30:45.000 Those taxonomies can be dissolved now and the only will is the will of the individual.

00:30:52.000 And let's see how that plays out.

00:30:53.000 And what do you have to negate?

00:30:54.000 You have to actualize Nietzsche's prophecy.

00:31:01.000 Well, what if we extract Christ?

00:31:04.000 The reversal of the Adam man, the Adamite man, the Adamic man sinned and fell. 0.94

00:31:10.000 Christ comes to absolutely reverse that condition, to say, I will not take that power.

00:31:17.000 I will place myself in the lowliest position.

00:31:20.000 Incredible.

00:31:20.000 Christ is the pattern of the reversal of Adam's sin.

00:31:22.000 That's exactly right.

00:31:24.000 He is the reversal of Adam's sin.

00:31:25.000 Yeah, Christ is the pattern of the reversal of Adam's sin.

00:31:28.000 Exactly that.

00:31:29.000 He's the antithesis of pride.

00:31:31.000 It's the antithesis of pride.

00:31:33.000 And it's the antithesis of pride that's raised to the highest place in the Christian order. 0.96

00:31:37.000 And that's obviously not power.

00:31:39.000 Like, obviously.

00:31:40.000 There is a beauty in it that is beyond rationale.

00:31:44.000 Like, yesterday, I guess, maybe I was in church.

00:31:47.000 It is done.

00:31:49.000 Like, it is done.

00:31:50.000 Like when he says, it is done, into your hands I commend my spirit.

00:31:54.000 When he says it's done, that's it, we've completed it now.

00:31:56.000 The beauty of that, the beauty of the willingness to experience that as we were discussing.

00:32:01.000 Why do you think that struck you?

00:32:03.000 Because on some level he knew.

00:32:05.000 Because on some level he knew that he was going to go through that.

00:32:08.000 Why did that strike you?

00:32:09.000 Because that he would do that for me.

00:32:12.000 That he would do that for us.

00:32:14.000 That Christ would do that for us.

00:32:15.000 That is the love.

00:32:17.000 That love is what's behind all of it.

00:32:19.000 Well, you made a point earlier, I think, before, when we were talking before, maybe before this discussion, that you had worked with a screenplay writer who insisted that the most appropriate way to demonstrate true love in the course of narrative is the only way, the only way, is to indicate willingness to sacrifice.

00:32:36.000 Right, right, right.

00:32:37.000 And so then the question, if that's true, and it could easily be, the only question is then, what constitutes the ultimate sacrifice?

00:32:43.000 And you can say, well, it's the ultimate offering of self and son, or self and child.

00:32:48.000 Well, the Christian passion unites both of those.

00:32:50.000 All right.

00:32:51.000 Right, right, right.

00:32:52.000 So that's exactly what Abraham does.

00:32:54.000 No, really.

00:32:55.000 Right, right.

00:32:55.000 Well, he's willing, but he gets his son back because he's willing to sacrifice him.

00:33:00.000 That's the moral of that story.

00:33:02.000 And that's exactly true in life.

00:33:03.000 If you're willing to sacrifice your children to what's highest, you get them back.

00:33:08.000 That's exactly right.

00:33:09.000 It's precisely right.

00:33:10.000 And so...

00:33:12.000 Abraham's sacrifice is of his son, because he's called upon to make a sacrifice of the highest order.

00:33:16.000 It's the culmination of a sequence of sacrifices that Abraham participates in that transform his personality.

00:33:23.000 Is it the highest form of sacrifice?

00:33:25.000 Not exactly.

00:33:26.000 The highest form unites the sacrifice of self and the sacrifice of child.

00:33:30.000 And that's exactly what happens in the Christian Passion.

00:33:32.000 It's God's Son and Christ Himself that are voluntarily sacrificed.

00:33:37.000 So it's the union of two archetypal patterns of sacrifice.

00:33:40.000 And indeed, you cannot achieve that on the plane of reality.

00:33:44.000 It's an apex point.

00:33:45.000 You cannot achieve those two simultaneous realities except in the ultimate reality.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, well, that's where the story seems to, what would you say...

00:33:55.000 It drifts up into the ineffable.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, and paradigm breaks and become ineffable, and the connotations of that, the historic connotations that you've already alluded to, are the end of paganism, we can't just worship nature as the expression of a deity, and imperialism, we cannot achieve absolute power on the material level.

00:34:16.000 So, yes, it annihilates those things.

00:34:17.000 Well, it even violates the principle that sovereignty is associated with power.

00:34:21.000 It demolishes that principle. 0.99

00:34:23.000 It violates the principle that sovereignty is predicated on power.

00:34:29.000 No one can believe that.

00:34:30.000 No one believes that anymore.

00:34:31.000 What is sovereignty predicated upon?

00:34:34.000 The spirit of voluntary self-sacrifice to what's highest.

00:34:38.000 Amen.

00:34:38.000 Praise Jesus.

00:34:39.000 Praise Jesus.

00:34:40.000 No kidding.

00:34:41.000 No, it's a remarkable, like merely conceptualized conceptually, it's a remarkable Philosophical achievement.

00:34:50.000 It's like, what's true sovereignty?

00:34:51.000 Well, see, there had been hints in that direction.

00:34:54.000 With the Mesopotamians, for example, the Mesopotamians construed their emperor as an avatar of Marduk.

00:35:01.000 Okay, so Marduk was a god that had eyes all the way around his head, so he really paid attention, and who spoke magic words.

00:35:08.000 And Marduk was also the deity who He transformed Tiamat, the dragon of chaos, into the world, who made the world out of the pieces of the dragon of chaos. 0.89

00:35:22.000 Very similar idea to the god in Genesis.

00:35:26.000 And those ideas are derived from the same geographical region, right?

00:35:30.000 So, as far as the Mesopotamians were concerned, the emperor only got to be emperor If he was a good Marduk, that was his claim to sovereignty. 0.71

00:35:38.000 It wasn't power.

00:35:39.000 It was his ability to be an avatar of Marduk. 0.78

00:35:42.000 So already the idea that the true sovereign should pay attention to everything, that's eyes all the way around the head, and speak the magic and redeeming words of truth, that's a Logos idea, that's already there in the Mesopotamians.

00:35:55.000 And that finds arguably its truest expression in the Christian revolution that makes the case That the spirit of voluntary self-sacrifice, the spirit of self-sacrifice voluntarily undertaken in the service of the highest good, is identical to the principle that establishes the order that's good at the beginning of time and forever.

00:36:15.000 It's like, yep, looks right, looks right.

00:36:19.000 Because what's the alternative?

00:36:20.000 Nothing?

00:36:21.000 Well, then you have nihilism.

00:36:22.000 Or power?

00:36:23.000 Well, okay, have it your way.

00:36:25.000 Or sexual hedonism?

00:36:27.000 It's like, sure, wander down that road if you want.

00:36:31.000 Although embedded in Genesis is not the idea of self-sacrifice.

00:36:36.000 In the subsequent expressions, whether it's in the martyr...

00:36:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:39.000 It's not until John that those ideas are really, really carefully put together, right?

00:36:43.000 That's what makes John...

00:36:45.000 Exactly.

00:36:45.000 That's what makes the opening lines of John so absolutely remarkable.

00:36:49.000 It's like, Christ is the word that was there at the beginning of time.

00:36:53.000 It's like, okay... 0.57

00:36:54.000 What the hell? 0.91

00:36:55.000 What the hell does that mean?

00:36:57.000 It means something like, it means the order that's good or very good is predicated on the voluntary acceptance of the necessity of self-sacrifice.

00:37:04.000 That's what it means.

00:37:05.000 It's like, oh, okay, all right, well then.

00:37:09.000 What about the Erdinger thing?

00:37:11.000 You know, Erdinger who wrote a lot about Jung, where he says, you'll love this, and I've mentioned it to you before, but it was ages ago, that he talks about, like, here is the behemoth that I have made, and like these William Blake, oh yes, William Blake's illustrations of the Book of Job, Blake that illustrates the behemoth, and the behemoth I do not like, it's even worse than the leviathan, if you ask me, the leviathan, just some serpent down there in the deep, can't press his tongue down.

00:37:39.000 It's the giant that the hero often overcomes.

00:37:41.000 I don't like it, Jordan.

00:37:42.000 Certainly not how William Blake they are, mad genius.

00:37:45.000 Yeah, well you, with your temperament, you would be more opposed to the Behemoth and the Leviathan because you're more a creature of chaos than degenerate order.

00:37:52.000 I don't like the way it looks.

00:37:54.000 It's got no skin and you can see all the sinew in its face and its mad staring eyes.

00:37:59.000 Elsewhere in this analysis that Erdinger points out, Obviously it's a derivation of Jungian analysis.

00:38:08.000 He's saying, and if you can map this onto what we have just said about the requirement for voluntary self-sacrifice, how you have to marry those two points together, like in John 1.

00:38:22.000 He says that we are creating...

00:38:25.000 Like he says, our Lord says, you will do greater things than me.

00:38:29.000 That we are believing it into being.

00:38:32.000 We are its conduits.

00:38:33.000 In the same way that you're saying ideas are live things, we are a conduit.

00:38:37.000 It's not like they're dead objects spilled on a page. 0.92

00:38:40.000 Lapidary and useless. 0.90

00:38:42.000 They are the living word. 0.81

00:38:44.000 The living word.

00:38:45.000 We are the living word.

00:38:46.000 And in this bit of Erdinger analysis derived from Jung, he says...

00:38:50.000 That if we don't be God into being, if we don't make ourselves, in the same way in Galatians 20, I die on the cross with him and it is Christ that is born in me, says Paul.

00:39:02.000 If we don't do that, then actually it's almost It's almost like ontologically true.

00:39:07.000 Like we do collapse.

00:39:09.000 We collapse God out of being.

00:39:11.000 We collapse that possibility.

00:39:13.000 We collapse that function.

00:39:15.000 And what would you have to do in order to be a carriage, a vessel, a conduit, a vassal for the Lord, for God?

00:39:22.000 There must be humility.

00:39:24.000 There must be the willingness to die for it.

00:39:27.000 There has to be the willingness to die for the lowest and those that can do nothing for you.

00:39:30.000 Otherwise, you would inevitably become the tyrant, the psychopath, You'd have to become all those things because you would recognise.

00:39:37.000 And isn't shamanism the sort of pooling of it?

00:39:40.000 I recognise it because when I say dabbled in shamanism, what I mean to say is I've felt it.

00:39:44.000 I've felt it.

00:39:45.000 I've felt shamanism.

00:39:46.000 You know it.

00:39:47.000 You must know it too.

00:39:48.000 You must know it too.

00:39:49.000 It's when you think, hang on a minute.

00:39:51.000 The shamanic routine is the collapse into chaos and regeneration, right?

00:39:55.000 Voluntary collapse into chaos and regeneration.

00:39:58.000 And the pathway is continual immersement in chaos, climb, immersement in chaos and climb, up Jacob's ladder.

00:40:05.000 Like that's the tree of life that the shaman climb, right?

00:40:08.000 And that's an incredibly archaic.

00:40:10.000 Yeah, and it occurs in Siberia, Chile, wherever.

00:40:13.000 They do it everywhere.

00:40:14.000 Yeah, it's 350,000 years old.

00:40:16.000 The problem with it, if I may criticize something that seems to be almost part of the fabric of our reality, is that you are becoming, you are it.

00:40:24.000 When I'm in a constant dialogue with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ now in this moment, like he is here with me, like he is here with me, then the shaman in me yields.

00:40:33.000 Now, I would have always thought of a shaman as more powerful than a priest, and I would have always observed froms, and I wonder what you think about this, you know, The prophet lives the word.

00:40:43.000 The priest simply relays the word.

00:40:45.000 I think we are all called upon to prophesize.

00:40:47.000 I think we're all called upon to become as prophets.

00:40:53.000 Elsewise, Jordan, we are dead ends.

00:40:57.000 Elsewise, we are stagnation.

00:40:59.000 We have to observe that.

00:41:01.000 And I guess the reason that you have inevitably, invariably plucked From that new triumvirate of Adler, Freud and Jung.

00:41:10.000 Jung is the one that remains in metaphysics, remains in the archetypes, remains in the Red Book, in the beautiful etymology, even within geometry.

00:41:19.000 Remember, he opposed Freud because Freud deified sex.

00:41:23.000 That's why they split.

00:41:24.000 Jung told Freud that.

00:41:26.000 He said, you've elevated sex to the highest place, and that's wrong.

00:41:29.000 And he said the same thing about Adler and Nietzsche.

00:41:31.000 It's like, it's not power.

00:41:33.000 And then what did Jung discover?

00:41:34.000 Christ is the symbol of the self.

00:41:36.000 That was Jung's statement.

00:41:38.000 What does that mean?

00:41:38.000 It means what you just laid out is that you're called upon.

00:41:42.000 You're going to become something.

00:41:45.000 You're going to become an avatar of power.

00:41:46.000 You're going to become a worshipper of the golden calf.

00:41:49.000 Some spirit's going to take possession of you.

00:41:51.000 You're going to invite the dread beast that crouched on Cain's doorstep in to possess you if you're resentful.

00:41:56.000 Some spirit will possess you.

00:41:58.000 There's no option.

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00:43:18.000 There it is.

00:43:20.000 You can open the door to the proper spirit.

00:43:22.000 You can do that, right.

00:43:23.000 And then the question is, what's the proper spirit?

00:43:25.000 Well, it's not one of power.

00:43:26.000 It's not one of sexual gratification.

00:43:28.000 Well, what is it?

00:43:29.000 Well, that's the real question.

00:43:31.000 What is it?

00:43:31.000 If it's nothing, well, then you're a nihilistic house divided amongst itself.

00:43:36.000 You know, Father Dave, even though he's a Protestant minister, what I like is he's a church I go to back in the UK. When he's doing Corinthians, when he's doing Paul's letter to Corinthians, like Paul says a lot.

00:43:49.000 He has this, I don't know which translation, I guess this is New International Version, he has this idiomatic pic that's so beautiful.

00:43:56.000 Do you not know?

00:43:57.000 Like he uses it as a prefix.

00:43:59.000 It's such a gentle prefix.

00:44:01.000 Do you not know that your body is a temple?

00:44:03.000 And that's how he's talking to them.

00:44:04.000 Do you not know that your body is a temple, that you should be preparing your body as a temple for the return of Christ?

00:44:10.000 You can't live in licentiousness.

00:44:11.000 You can't live in hedonism.

00:44:12.000 You can't cut it off from the flow and make it into a cistern.

00:44:16.000 Man, I love that.

00:44:17.000 As much as I also love that there is something profound in power unexpressed, that to know he had that power, but as part of his sacrifice, he did not express that power.

00:44:27.000 He went to his death like a criminal, crucified among thieves and murderers, and remained only in dialogue with the Lord, the God, the Father.

00:44:36.000 And with those gathered at the foot of the cross, man, I love it.

00:44:41.000 I love what Paul did.

00:44:45.000 You know, when you get into Acts and Paul's letters, you start thinking, something must have gone down for these people to be doing this stuff.

00:44:53.000 As much as there was the reification, celebration and glorification of hedonism, Jordan, what was simultaneously done, if I may say...

00:45:02.000 What's the banalization of Christ?

00:45:05.000 The banalization.

00:45:06.000 I mean, I'm talking about my country and I was like in Canada or in this country where, of course, there is a sort of an evangelical tradition, but like it's sort of like Jesus as if it's the most boring thing ever.

00:45:20.000 I don't think Romans 13 should be in there.

00:45:22.000 I think it's sort of telling you fundamentally that to love Christ is that you best get ready to die for the highest thing yourself.

00:45:29.000 You best get ready that something is happening.

00:45:31.000 This is it.

00:45:32.000 It's going to happen in your lifetime.

00:45:33.000 And you'll be called upon in a moment, so you better be prepared.

00:45:36.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:45:37.000 That's for sure.

00:45:38.000 That's for sure.

00:45:38.000 And that's true of every moment.

00:45:40.000 Definitely.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, and the banalization, that's a very interesting phenomena.

00:45:44.000 You have the reduction of Christ, well, you have the reduction of Christ to compassion, for example, which is not an appropriate reduction.

00:45:51.000 He was a good teacher.

00:45:51.000 Yeah, yeah, he was a nice man.

00:45:52.000 He was kind.

00:45:54.000 He was a nice man.

00:45:55.000 Jesus was a nice man.

00:45:57.000 Yeah, yeah, it's like, no, no, no.

00:45:58.000 Well, I'm going to need a little more than a nice man for this... 0.99

00:46:03.000 Fucking holy war! 0.99

00:46:04.000 I found myself in the middle of... 0.99

00:46:06.000 Hello, we've brought you a heart...

00:46:07.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:46:09.000 I'm gonna need king of kings.

00:46:10.000 I'm gonna need willing...

00:46:12.000 I'm gonna need nail into a cross, flagellation, and flies around my back.

00:46:17.000 I'm gonna need to know that...

00:46:18.000 The shifting of the veil that I witnessed was real. 0.54

00:46:21.000 And like when C.S. Lewis writes that at J.P., like when he says, those of us that have seen the shifting of the veil, those of us that know there is more to reality than the material realm, those of us that have glimpsed it, are taken over by a kind of lust.

00:46:35.000 And like bodily lust, it has the quality of making all else seem trivial.

00:46:39.000 That's the pearl of great price.

00:46:41.000 That's the pearl of great price.

00:46:43.000 That Christ speaks about in the parable, that any wise man, any wise rich man would sacrifice everything he has to purchase the pearl of great price.

00:46:52.000 It's like once you know what's most valuable, everything looks trivial in comparison.

00:46:56.000 Right, right, right.

00:46:58.000 Because not only did Christ undergo it, you know, Stephen undergoes it, he gets ripped apart, and as he's being pulled apart, Yeah, I'm coming, Jesus!

00:47:05.000 And like, Paul, yeah, yeah, I'll do the time.

00:47:06.000 I'll do the trials.

00:47:07.000 I'll do the shipwrecks.

00:47:08.000 I'll write these letters, chained to a Roman guard.

00:47:11.000 It's fantastic here.

00:47:13.000 I'm having a wonderful time.

00:47:14.000 Wish you were here.

00:47:16.000 This is brilliant.

00:47:17.000 Jesus is real.

00:47:17.000 It actually happened.

00:47:19.000 You know, like, so what I love about, you know, like, what I'm learning about and loving, like, I can see you, you know, brooding prophet that you are, how much you love it down there in the Old Testament, down there with the Isaiahs and the Jeremiahs and the Kings and the Judges, and gosh, you know, even from a little that I'm learning right now, it's so fascinating.

00:47:34.000 But why I love Christ is because I see it, I like the activation.

00:47:38.000 I like the activation.

00:47:39.000 Like, through the Old Testament, God's continually rolling his eyes at that lot, like, oh, no, not again!

00:47:43.000 Again, not more false idols in high places.

00:47:46.000 No, Solomon, you were doing so well.

00:47:49.000 These ordinary Christians, infused by grace, are willing to do whatever it takes.

00:47:58.000 And I think that's the story that we're participating in.

00:48:00.000 And I think that's why they're trying to nullify that story on a global scale.

00:48:05.000 On a global scale.

00:48:06.000 Get this Christian stuff. 0.92

00:48:07.000 Make it boring and tedious. 0.97

00:48:08.000 Say it's sexist and old-fashioned.

00:48:10.000 Like any decent Christian that I chat to, when I say, like, you know, we chatted about it the other day.

00:48:14.000 You know, like, say, John Rich, who cracked me up when he was on your podcast, John Rich, because I like how straightforward he is, and I like how evangelical he is.

00:48:20.000 You better accept Christ right now!

00:48:22.000 I was cracking up at that, and you're like, oh, come on, I've written a book.

00:48:25.000 No, you accept it right now!

00:48:27.000 You accept Jesus!

00:48:29.000 But when I asked John Rich, like, about, you know, hey, how do we parry, like, our Lord's, you know, edict, Love Thy Neighbor, with, like, the sort of edicts and restrictions around licentiousness and e.g.

00:48:40.000 homosexuality, he goes, you're a sinner the same as me.

00:48:43.000 You're sinners the same as me. 0.99

00:48:44.000 He got no judgment.

00:48:45.000 He's got no judgment on anybody.

00:48:47.000 I'm a sinner.

00:48:48.000 I got no judgment.

00:48:49.000 Oh, yeah, well, read the book.

00:48:50.000 I don't know.

00:48:51.000 You do what you want to do with that stuff.

00:48:53.000 But, you know, like, he foregoes that judgment and negates it.

00:48:57.000 Like, I imagine how Christ...

00:48:59.000 Imagine is all I can do, of course.

00:49:01.000 How would Christ be carrying on?

00:49:03.000 How would he be carrying on right now?

00:49:05.000 They say when he comes again, he comes as a king, rather than, you know, he comes as a king next time, and it's going to be discerning, and we ain't all going to make it.

00:49:12.000 But, like, I feel that, you know, that I love the end of the idea of Christ was a nice man, or Christ was compassionate, that Christ is the highest.

00:49:23.000 Only compassionate.

00:49:24.000 Right.

00:49:24.000 Right, right, right.

00:49:25.000 No, no.

00:49:26.000 See, Jung pointed something out very, very interesting in that regard.

00:49:29.000 It was actually the counterpoint of the Book of Revelation to the idea of Christ as purely a nice man.

00:49:36.000 It's like, no, no.

00:49:37.000 And there's some of that in the Gospels, this figure of infinite compassion.

00:49:41.000 And Jung was very interested in why the Book of Revelation emerged as a revelation.

00:49:45.000 It was also tacked on to the end of the New Testament.

00:49:48.000 Christ comes back as a judge.

00:49:50.000 Right?

00:49:51.000 And he separates the wheat from the chaff, and that's discriminating judgment.

00:49:55.000 That's actually the manifestation of the sword that turns every which way and is on fire, that guards the pathway to paradise in the story of Adam and Eve, right?

00:50:05.000 That's that sword, that nothing gets past that sword that isn't, what would you say, sufficiently That lacks the integrity necessary to enter the kingdom of heaven.

00:50:16.000 That's that sword that turns every which way and burns.

00:50:20.000 Right, right.

00:50:20.000 Justice instead of mercy.

00:50:22.000 Mercy is an element of the divine.

00:50:24.000 And that's the compassionate element.

00:50:26.000 And it's tempting to raise that and that alone to the highest place.

00:50:30.000 That's a temptation, particularly of women, to raise that and that alone to the highest place. 1.00

00:50:34.000 It's like, yeah, yeah.

00:50:35.000 Mercy.

00:50:36.000 Justice, too.

00:50:38.000 Look the hell out.

00:50:39.000 Right, and that's Christ as, well, that's the terrible, that's the wielder of the terrible swift sword.

00:50:45.000 God, that's for sure.

00:50:46.000 That's a terrifying figure.

00:50:47.000 And that Christ in the figure of Revelation is a terrifying figure.

00:50:51.000 I've not got to that yet.

00:50:52.000 Oh man, spoiler alert.

00:50:56.000 Don't freak me out.

00:50:57.000 We may go, because we've got to go to dinner around someone's house.

00:51:00.000 We do.

00:51:00.000 Exactly.

00:51:02.000 Thanks, Jordan.

00:51:02.000 That was a pretty amazing conversation.

00:51:04.000 Thank you, sir.

00:51:05.000 It's always great fun chatting with you.

00:51:08.000 Well, how I know it's a good conversation is I stopped thinking about it.

00:51:11.000 I didn't think of it as being a thing.

00:51:14.000 And there were a couple of times before. 0.99

00:51:15.000 I hope this is fucking being recorded. 0.99

00:51:17.000 We captured it all, right? 1.00

00:51:18.000 We got all that.

00:51:18.000 It's in the can.

00:51:19.000 We didn't lose it.

00:51:19.000 We didn't delete it.

00:51:20.000 That was good.

00:51:21.000 And I reckon...

00:51:22.000 Oh, thanks, man.

00:51:23.000 Thanks, JP. My pleasure, man.

00:51:25.000 My pleasure.

00:51:27.000 Well, thanks very much for joining me for this conversation with Jordan Peterson.

00:51:31.000 Remember, we will be back Monday, streaming live another fantastic show from the wild set of vortices, I've got to learn that word, vortices, that is the United States of America in this weird pre-election ongoing hurricane.

00:51:45.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you thought about this chat with JP, and I'll see you on Monday, usual time, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

00:51:53.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

00:51:54.000 Many switching.

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