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00:07:18.000 Hello there you awakening wonders!

00:07:19.000 Thanks for joining us for day one of the Julian Assange hearing that is being conducted in order to determine whether or not Julian Assange has the right to appeal his extradition to the United States.

00:07:30.000 I'm so grateful that you are joining us live from the Royal Courts of Justice.

00:07:34.000 Let's have a look at some of that b-roll from the course of the day.

00:07:37.000 It's been a day of celebration, it's been a day Today we'll be discussing why Julian Assange's case, and Julian Assange as a figure, is pivotal and defining when it comes to understanding our modern media landscape, how the government and state powers collaborate with corporate powers, how censorship continues to be an issue that defines our time, and how journalism has become criminalized

00:08:06.000 If indeed it seeks to speak truth to power.

00:08:10.000 The case of Julian Assange helps us to understand why the media has become what it's become in recent years.

00:08:15.000 It helps us to understand the rise of independent media.

00:08:19.000 Even what we do on this channel is beyond influence by Julian Assange.

00:08:23.000 It's in a sense architecturally determined by Julian Assange's actions and subsequent incarceration.

00:08:30.000 And over the course of today's show we'll be talking to Stella Assange and Gabriel Shipton who is Julian's brother.

00:08:36.000 They've been attending the hearing today.

00:08:38.000 We'll talk to them about what's happened.

00:08:40.000 We'll be looking in some detail at Judge Jeremy Johnson.

00:08:44.000 No, Justice Jeremy Johnson.

00:08:46.000 I'm simplifying it.

00:08:47.000 It's not like a DC comic.

00:08:48.000 It's not Judge Dredd.

00:08:49.000 Judge Jeremy Johnson is one of the presiding justices.

00:08:53.000 One of the people who will be Determining the outcome of this hearing and when you look at his previous, as it were, he has a lot of connections to WikiLeaks type stories.

00:09:02.000 He's represented the Ministry of Defense in our country, the United Kingdom.

00:09:06.000 He's represented MI6, which is one of our secret service agencies.

00:09:10.000 So is he likely to be objective?

00:09:12.000 You can let us know in the rumble chat right now, and I'm thrilled to see so many of you watching.

00:09:17.000 I'm saying hello to you, digital hippie.

00:09:19.000 I'm saying hello to you, Slappy T. I'm saying hello to you, Trish McLeod.

00:09:23.000 I'm saying hello to our many awakened wonders watching us on Locals, and if you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be available with you for the first 15 minutes, but then we will be.

00:09:31.000 You will understand why.

00:09:33.000 Exclusively streaming in that sweet, free space that is Rumble, in order to be able to discuss this complex story in depth and detail.

00:09:41.000 For example, one detail you will be unaware of, I'm sure, is that Judge Jeremy Johnson was involved in the inquiry into The deaths of Princess Diana and Dodi Al-Fayed.

00:09:52.000 I'm not suggesting that there was anything untoward there, but it's very peculiar that people with top-secret access, a type of top-secret access that you won't even have heard of yet.

00:10:01.000 In fact, the phrase for it is extraordinary.

00:10:03.000 It's something like, what is it called?

00:10:05.000 Developed vetting.

00:10:06.000 That's the highest access to secret information you can get.

00:10:10.000 The judge, one of the judges involved today, sat With the coroners during that inquiry, so there's some extraordinary details ring and wrinkles to this case Obviously the world is currently watching even if the legacy media is not reporting We've seen some legacy media outlets out there, but you will be able to tell from looking online and looking at online

00:10:33.000 Legacy media if you still do that kind of stuff how it's being reported on Edward Snowden from exile in Russia tweeted this or posted this excuse me the outrageous part of the UK's years-long trial to condemn Julian Assange to die in an American dungeon is that the victim of his crime journalism and is a state rather than a person.

00:10:55.000 The definition of a political offence which the US-UK Extradition Treaty explicitly forbids.

00:11:00.000 This entire process might be illegal.

00:11:03.000 Julian Assange of course is inextricably linked to Edward Snowden as he helped Snowden escape US law enforcement.

00:11:10.000 I think in 2013 at the time that Edward Snowden revealed the extent to

00:11:15.000 which your government spies on you, captures your information

00:11:18.000 in order to what? Keep you safe? You let me know in the chat what you think. Here's Glenn Greenwald's post today

00:11:26.000 I don't know if anyone has any tears left to shed after the week-long media funeral for a Russian citizen

00:11:33.000 But here is what the US government government is doing to someone guilty solely of exposing U.S.

00:11:41.000 war crimes.

00:11:43.000 An extraordinary observation.

00:11:44.000 And in today's Here's the News, we'll be looking at the Navalny case and how it compares to Assange's case.

00:11:52.000 Looking at the way that it's being reported, the way that Navalny is being celebrated and perhaps utilized, and the hypocrisy that that brings to the forefront, given Assange's recent treatment.

00:12:06.000 So if you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be with you for about 15 minutes.

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00:12:21.000 Here's how the legacy media is reporting on today's events.

00:12:26.000 Wikileaks founder Julian Assange in a London courtroom today.

00:12:30.000 It's all part of a last-ditch effort to avoid extradition back here

00:12:34.000 to the US.

00:12:36.000 ...coverage of this. The phrase last-ditch effort occurs in numerous outlets coverage of this story.

00:12:42.000 I think the idea is to make it seem like a foregone conclusion but even people

00:12:48.000 directly connected to this matter believe that it's unlikely given the nature of the hearing and the people

00:12:55.000 presiding over it that there will be a positive outcome. 0.93

00:12:58.000 But don't let that enable you to lose sight of how ridiculous this is. Let's see what else the legacy media is 0.68

00:13:05.000 saying.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, he faces multiple charges related to the 2010 publication of classified U.S.

00:13:10.000 military documents.

00:13:12.000 They centered on operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:13:15.000 prosecutors accused Assange of playing a role in the hacking of a Pentagon computer and bringing grave and imminent risk to intelligence sources.

00:13:15.000 U.S.

00:13:24.000 The legal saga has continued for more than a decade, but could soon come to an end.

00:13:28.000 For more on this hearing, let's bring in international correspondent Stuart Smith in London.

00:13:32.000 Stuart, what are we expecting in court today?

00:13:38.000 Okay, let's have a look now, just for those of you that are not entirely familiar with Julian Assange's story, at sort of a brief timeline before we speak with Stella Assange and Gabriel Shipton, that's Julian's wife and leader of the campaign, as well as his brother.

00:13:57.000 First of all, So, in 2010, WikiLeaks published a series of leaks from U.S.

00:14:03.000 Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning, including a video of a U.S.

00:14:06.000 Apache helicopter attacking Baghdad that killed at least nine men, including a Reuters news photographer and his driver.

00:14:12.000 Then there was a massive release that talked about...

00:14:16.000 Civilian deaths and various other, you know, the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.

00:14:23.000 Then, he lost his appeal around the sexual assault charges that emerged in Sweden.

00:14:32.000 Then, this is a significant moment, in 2013, He helped Edward Snowden flee from the US.

00:14:38.000 In 2016, WikiLeaks released 20,000, I think this is a pivotal moment, 20,000 DNC emails from the Clinton campaign manager, John Podesta, that appeared to show that the DNC favoured Clinton over her rival Bernie Sanders.

00:14:53.000 I think it's pretty safe to say that that was the case.

00:14:55.000 Now, and what I think is important about that particular aspect of the WikiLeaks lineage It demonstrates precisely how various administrations have taken the same purview when it comes to Julian Assange.

00:15:10.000 He was first pursued during the Obama administration.

00:15:14.000 He was charged with the Espionage Act during the era of Trump.

00:15:17.000 I'm sorry to tell a lot of you guys.

00:15:19.000 And it is Joe Biden that is pursuing extradition.

00:15:23.000 No one except RFK is talking about pardoning him.

00:15:28.000 We'll show you that lovely post from RFK in a moment, but I think it's germane and sensible and wise to bring in our guests Stella Assange and Gabriel Shipton while we can.

00:15:41.000 Let's have a look at, while they settle down, we'll have a look at Julian Assange talking about what it's like to be an accused person.

00:15:49.000 This is a fascinating, almost philosophical insight.

00:15:54.000 in being an accused person.

00:15:58.000 Luck in being accused of being a spy, a terrorist.

00:16:02.000 Luck in being accused of being a sex criminal.

00:16:08.000 And you might think that surely it is a shock and a devastation to wake up to find one transformed into a demon, into a thing, into an unspeakable thing, a frightening thing.

00:16:23.000 No, it's wonderful, because it is not that you change, it is that others change.

00:16:29.000 You stay the same, but you now have a gift.

00:16:34.000 You now have a superpower, the superpower of the accused.

00:16:40.000 This superpower is to reveal the true characters of others.

00:16:46.000 Who does not long from childhood for such a power, to understand The true nature of one's friends.

00:16:55.000 We are not reduced.

00:16:57.000 We the accused.

00:16:59.000 But the people and states around us are.

00:17:02.000 Great characters rise and great cultures step forward to shine.

00:17:07.000 False smiles fade.

00:17:10.000 Concealed alliances are revealed.

00:17:12.000 The timid retreat.

00:17:14.000 And love is no longer merely a word, but it is an action.

00:17:19.000 This is the superpower of the accused, and it is no more prevalent in the superpower of the accused, accused by superpowers.

00:17:31.000 There are many of us now.

00:17:33.000 Because we've come accustomed to Julian Assange's incarceration, perhaps it's easy for us to forget how significant many of his insights have been.

00:17:41.000 Not simply the WikiLeaks revelations, but Julian Assange himself as a figure, as a narrator, and as a thinker.

00:17:47.000 Significant words there that I obviously now have good cause to identify with.

00:17:51.000 I'm joined now by Stella Assange and Gabriel Shipton.

00:17:55.000 His brother and Stella is, of course, Julian's wife.

00:17:57.000 Welcome, both of you.

00:17:58.000 Thank you for having us.

00:17:59.000 I actually feel somewhat reticent and certainly cautious about how to speak to you today because it's been emotional just for us across the street observing it.

00:18:09.000 He's your brother, he's your husband.

00:18:11.000 You've been in attendance in the hearing.

00:18:13.000 The kind of enervating weight of today's events with obviously what you must have borne over the preceding years must be incredible.

00:18:22.000 Can you tell me just how the hearing went and how you are feeling?

00:18:26.000 Well, first of all, it was incredible to arrive and see such a sea of people.

00:18:31.000 I mean, the show of support has been incredible.

00:18:34.000 I only wish Julian had experienced it for himself.

00:18:38.000 Once we went in, it was, you know, the inside of the Royal Courts of Justice.

00:18:45.000 It's a kind of world in itself with its native creatures.

00:18:52.000 And the good thing about today was that we were able to air our arguments finally, because for the past couple of years, it's been...

00:19:03.000 You know, on the papers, decisions taken behind closed doors, and finally we were able to talk about the murder plot against Julian, hatched by the CIA under Mike Pompeo.

00:19:17.000 We were able to talk about the real risk to his life, all the attacks on him.

00:19:25.000 Judicial attacks and their political motivation.

00:19:28.000 So these are things that we've you know talked about in interviews but finally it's put before a courtroom and a Captive audience in the journalists who had to sit there and listen That I suppose in itself is something of a victory.

00:19:43.000 You mentioned the nature of the building itself and its imposing gothic architecture and I can only imagine that the interiors are similarly foreboding and doesn't that serve metaphorically To perfectly illustrate that it is very difficult, one might imagine, to get justice regarding information exposed about establishment corruption from within the establishment.

00:20:08.000 Gabriel, you'll be aware of course that Justice Jeremy Johnson has previously defended MI6 and the Ministry of Defence in cases that are certainly comparable to some of the leaks that Julian Assange published.

00:20:25.000 I wonder what your feelings are about the potential for a fair and judicious outcome?

00:20:32.000 Well look, Arlan, I see these courts have been weaponised against Julian.

00:20:39.000 They've been his persecutors, and willingly so, part of his persecution.

00:20:46.000 So I see that as these court hearings, whereas Julian can lose at them.

00:20:54.000 I don't think he can really, really win in any sense.

00:20:58.000 I think, you know, their role in this is to serve the United States and serve their will to keep Julian in prison, to keep him silenced, and to send that message to everyone around the world that, you know, if you do this, that's it.

00:21:13.000 You'll be in jail for five years.

00:21:16.000 No conviction.

00:21:17.000 Not serving a sentence.

00:21:19.000 We can take away all your liberties.

00:21:22.000 If you publish information that upsets us, that embarrasses us.

00:21:26.000 And I think the courts here in the UK play their role in that persecution.

00:21:31.000 I'm mindful that Julian is a human being that you both love, but for those of us, I've met Julian of course, but for those of us that don't know Julian well, it's difficult not to see him as a symbol of injustice, of how power will behave if you transgress against its aims in the manner in which Julian has done with his publishing of information that they were understandably sensitive about.

00:21:59.000 I wonder if you feel that subsequently this hearing will be reported on fairly.

00:22:06.000 Have you seen sufficient interest from the kind of legacy media organisations that were intrinsically involved with Julian's publishing at the time?

00:22:16.000 For example, the Snowden leaks, which I recognise were made to Glenn Greenwald at the Guardian at that time.

00:22:22.000 The Guardian!

00:22:26.000 Of course, Julian facilitated Edward Snowden's evasion of pursuing forces.

00:22:32.000 I wonder if you feel that The Guardian, the BBC, CNN, what have become referred to in this space as the legacy media, have been reporting on this responsibly?

00:22:46.000 Well, no, that's the answer.

00:22:49.000 It's improved A lot in some respects with some newspapers.

00:22:57.000 Their irresponsibility, their dereliction of duty as far as their journalism is concerned has in fact led to Julian's imprisonment.

00:23:06.000 If they had critically engaged with the persecution and its many different layers and Aspects over the years then Julian would never have ended up in prison.

00:23:19.000 They wouldn't have spent a single day in prison So I really see the media as complicit in his persecution.

00:23:24.000 They were willing Willingly complicit because they didn't like him for other reasons.

00:23:32.000 However once the indictment came down and eventually once you know the the Arguments had been aired in court and they had been analyzed by the Press freedom groups and lawyers inside the Guardian and so on, they were forced to defend him.

00:23:51.000 Because Julian was attacked, he was indicted as a journalist, not as a whistleblower, not as anything other than a journalist.

00:24:00.000 And once they understood that actually he was being targeted as a journalist, they had to defend him.

00:24:05.000 Today you heard your lawyers presumably, as you explained Stella, have the opportunity to lay out your case, Julian's case, and you said that that has been cathartic and beneficial and helpful.

00:24:21.000 And those of you watching this right now, please be patient with us given our sound issues.

00:24:25.000 We're like, we're just in some room opposite the Royal Courts of Justice.

00:24:30.000 We're renegade guerrilla journalists right now, which is precisely what's required in order to report on a story of this nature and a story of this magnitude and a story that the legacy media have been deliberately oppressing and reframing in a manner to make it unappealing to people.

00:24:44.000 So do forgive us if we have Small technical difficulties, we assure you that we're working just as hard as we can to get this information to you as directly and as freely and with as few interventions and as little censorship as possible, which is no censorship.

00:24:58.000 What are you hoping for tomorrow, Stella?

00:25:02.000 What will define the hearing tomorrow?

00:25:04.000 Do you anticipate getting a verdict tomorrow or do you think that you'll be kicked down the road a little bit?

00:25:09.000 How do you feel it will tomorrow play out?

00:25:12.000 Well, my sense being in the courtroom was that we steamrolled.

00:25:15.000 Over the whole courtroom.

00:25:19.000 I mean, the judges were... I think they had been exposed to some of the arguments for the very first time, and you could just see them trying to square things, because it really is that outrageous.

00:25:33.000 And so I saw these moments of, well, you know, this could be the turning point.

00:25:42.000 That's my impression from being inside the courtroom.

00:25:44.000 But then my rational side takes over and I have had this feeling before and it's a political case and it's not about the merits of the arguments.

00:25:55.000 Now, of course, I always... I hope I'm wrong, but of course Julian should win this round and it should fall apart and, you know, maybe Maybe.

00:26:09.000 Anything's possible.

00:26:10.000 But of course, the stakes are so high because if they find against him, and they could find against him tomorrow, you know, if they decided, well, we're not even going to entertain this.

00:26:21.000 We've already made our decision.

00:26:23.000 He could be on a plane this week.

00:26:25.000 It's interesting how... God, that's a terrifying thought, Stella.

00:26:29.000 It's interesting how low the threshold has become Because even for Julian Assange to be granted an appeal at this point would feel like something of a success and I'm astonished to hear you say that at points watching Justice Jeremy Johnson and Dame Victoria Sharpe that it seemed at times that they were hearing some of the DLs

00:26:57.000 Fresh.

00:26:58.000 Because I was trying to imagine what the perspective is of people that seek to persecute and ultimately extradite and continue to incarcerate and ultimately, perhaps tacitly, execute Julian Assange.

00:27:12.000 And sorry if that sounds melodramatic, but as we've just heard, the CIA did plot to have Julian Assange murdered.

00:27:19.000 But their perspective, I suppose, is, oh, well, what it is is WikiLeaks published information that put service personnel's lives at risk, exposed the American military and the American population to danger, and therefore, of course, he should be extradited to our allies in the United States to face justice under the Espionage Act where he was first pursued under Barack Obama.

00:27:46.000 Convicted, not convicted excuse me, charged under Trump and is now being extradited under Biden which in itself is an astonishing litmus test of how Apparently differing administrations tend to concur on truly important issues, therefore demonstrating that we have very little choice at all, particularly in that arena.

00:28:05.000 Did you also get that sense, Gabriel, that their perspective is one that would be alien to most people that operate in our space?

00:28:15.000 A sense that Julian Assange is not a publisher and a journalist, he is Well, something akin to a hacker, a terrorist.

00:28:24.000 Is that the... What did you think?

00:28:25.000 Yeah, I got a bit of that vibe.

00:28:27.000 I think this time around, I felt that these judges were sort of on their best behaviour.

00:28:36.000 You know, they knew that there were thousands of people outside.

00:28:39.000 They knew that you're here across the road.

00:28:42.000 covering this.

00:28:44.000 There's been quite a bit of media attention, you know, from the mainstream press as well.

00:28:49.000 Just last week the Australian Parliament voted on a motion and they voted, two thirds of the Australian Parliament voted on this motion, voted yes on this motion, and that motion had three very strong points in it.

00:29:04.000 That Julian was an award-winning journalist, that he's being held in relation to exposing the misconduct of the USA and that the UK and the US should bring this to an end and send him back to Australia.

00:29:19.000 So you've got this political pressure that is mounting on the UK courts here and I got the feeling that these judges were aware of that, that they were Paying a different kind of attention.

00:29:34.000 It might have just been lip service, but previous hearings have been much more combative.

00:29:41.000 The judges have been much more combative.

00:29:44.000 The judges were showing a bit more genuine inquiry, I felt, this time.

00:29:50.000 And I think that is because of this support from out front of the court.

00:29:57.000 And the media coverage and the political support that's sort of all pushed into today.

00:30:03.000 Even the police, you know, even the police out here, for the first time I've ever seen, they were being helpful.

00:30:09.000 Oh wow!

00:30:11.000 Well, we have many friends and community members that are in various police forces across the world, and we know that many members of the police force are motivated by a love of community, duty and service, and of course that's precisely how it should be.

00:30:27.000 One political figure, and it is indeed encouraging, Gabriel, to hear you speak about the sort of turning of the tide in your native land, and to see some support emerging from Australia, particularly given that Australia in the past few years It seems to have become increasingly governed by peculiar globalist edicts around a whole variety of subjects, so that is encouraging.

00:30:46.000 But one political figure who has been outspoken in his support of Julian Assange is RFK.

00:30:53.000 He did this post just yesterday on X. Let's have a look at this together.

00:31:00.000 Six.

00:31:00.000 I'm pressing that, guys.

00:31:01.000 Play that in.

00:31:02.000 Six on the deck.

00:31:03.000 The RFK post.

00:31:06.000 Do excuse me once again.

00:31:07.000 So number 6 is RFK.

00:31:10.000 If you can play 6 on my deck.

00:31:14.000 Number 6 on my deck and my deck's not working.

00:31:17.000 Do forgive me Stella and Gabriel.

00:31:19.000 We're out on them.

00:31:20.000 Now it's your world, mate.

00:31:21.000 Let's go full screen on it and play on it to give us a break.

00:31:27.000 He's stood against government corruption.

00:31:30.000 He's battled for all of our freedoms and he made the tremendous sacrifice where he now is jailed and faces life in prison and an extradition to the United States.

00:31:41.000 The urgency to pardon him cannot wait.

00:31:45.000 It can't wait till I become president.

00:31:47.000 We need to get it done now.

00:31:49.000 He signed the petition.

00:31:52.000 Urging President Biden to immediately pardon Julian Assange.

00:31:57.000 Thank you all very much.

00:32:03.000 There he is.

00:32:04.000 Because the goal is not... Hey! 1.00

00:32:06.000 Kill that, thanks. 0.98

00:32:07.000 Excuse me raising my voice, but it was required in that moment.

00:32:10.000 So, Gabriel, Stella, thank you so much for joining us.

00:32:14.000 Do you feel that the kind of support that Bobby Kennedy just espoused may contribute to a general prevailing positive public opinion?

00:32:22.000 Because one of the speeches I heard today, and there were some great speeches, was people saying that there are two superpowers in the world.

00:32:28.000 There's the American military-industrial complex, and their foreign policy and then there is public opinion and we are seeing I believe public opinion finally alter and change.

00:32:39.000 I'm like as well myself like a lot of people I think feel really scared about Julian Assange and I think for a long time people felt really scared.

00:32:47.000 Let me know what you think in the chat about supporting Julian Assange because of course he was initially accused of sexual assault and rape.

00:32:55.000 Indeed that's why I showed that speech because I thought that was fascinating.

00:32:58.000 He's The way that he spoke about being accused and how empowering that can be, I thought it was very moving.

00:33:06.000 And then subsequently he's just been sort of maligned and made a pariah so aggressively, excessively and continually that it's understandable if people move between accepting that vilification and indifference.

00:33:20.000 The world is so full of spectacle, so gilded and delightful.

00:33:25.000 Another day, another ceremony, another Golden Globe, another Oscar, another appearance from a state-sponsored political activist.

00:33:34.000 Do you feel that what we might be witnessing now is the ability of public opinion at large to influence matters even this significant where there is a clear agenda that is typically very difficult to interrupt?

00:33:47.000 I have the feeling now, it's very similar to when I started university in 2002, I mean this was just, you know, on the cusp of the Iraq invasion, just after Afghanistan, you know.

00:34:03.000 Just a year after September 11th and there was huge mobilization on the streets and there was a lot of political energy and there was a lot of skepticism and there was a lot of anti-war sentiment and people organized and there was a sense of the power of the people and of coming together and then and that is partly what led to WikiLeaks as a project, that mood to end the wars in

00:34:37.000 Iraq and Afghanistan, hold governments to account, expose the torture regime and the

00:34:45.000 way that they had basically engineered going into wars.

00:34:52.000 So there was a different mood, and that gave rise to WikiLeaks.

00:34:57.000 And then I think that the 2010s were...

00:35:02.000 Thank you.

00:35:03.000 We lost a lot of that.

00:35:06.000 But I feel like we're regaining it.

00:35:08.000 And it's crossing over on a whole lot of different issues.

00:35:12.000 So tomorrow, whose case do you hear tomorrow?

00:35:15.000 If you had the opportunity to outline your case, or at least your lawyers did.

00:35:19.000 Tomorrow, do you hear the States?

00:35:21.000 The United States?

00:35:23.000 Who is advocating for the extradition?

00:35:25.000 And is that what you hear tomorrow?

00:35:26.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:35:27.000 The prosecutor's case tomorrow. 0.99

00:35:31.000 Yeah, well, they'll argue against Julian's appeal points and probably try and pour a bucket of shit all over it. 0.95

00:35:37.000 I imagine you're bringing us an Australian perspective to this global news event. 1.00

00:35:43.000 They'll probably pour a bucket of shit all over it. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Yeah, I imagine that is, to a degree, what will happen. 1.00

00:35:49.000 Do you anticipate getting a verdict tomorrow or do you try not to think in those terms these days?

00:35:55.000 I don't know.

00:35:56.000 Anything can happen.

00:35:58.000 I hope they think about it for a few days, at least.

00:36:03.000 But you know, tomorrow's going to be nasty.

00:36:06.000 It's going to be duplicitous.

00:36:07.000 It's going to be, you know, the way murderers try to pretend like they're not murdering.

00:36:15.000 So yeah, so that's what awaits tomorrow.

00:36:19.000 Well, we'll be here tomorrow.

00:36:21.000 Hopefully we'll be speaking with you again.

00:36:24.000 And in all sincerity, I'll be praying for a positive outcome, the deserved outcome for Julian Assange, who is a hero and because of whom we have a deeper understanding of the way that global power operates, how both Political parties in an apparently bipartisan state often support the same ideas.

00:36:44.000 How there may often be claims of caring about justice and democracy, but when it comes to true justice, democracy, transparency, clarity and freedom of information, We get to see the true colours of the global establishment in part because of Julian Assange's reporting and in part because of his current predicament.

00:37:03.000 Thank you, Gabriel.

00:37:04.000 It's lovely to meet you.

00:37:05.000 Thanks for joining us today.

00:37:06.000 And Stella, it's always such a joy to be in your company.

00:37:09.000 Thank you for coming today.

00:37:10.000 Thanks.

00:37:11.000 Hey, guys, one of the things that's difficult to ignore is the ongoing and understandable grief over the death in custody of Alexei Navalny.

00:37:21.000 There's been global outcry from political leaders and calls for, predictably, further military funding to Ukraine.

00:37:26.000 That's the solution.

00:37:29.000 It's not as if Western leaders are complicit in the imprisonment and possible assassination of our spoken critics of their actions in the form of Gonzalo Lira and, of course, Julian Assange.

00:37:39.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:37:39.000 Here's the news.

00:37:42.000 Here's the video.

00:37:43.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:37:46.000 The death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has caused an outcry in the West as well as calls for further

00:37:53.000 funding for Ukraine in their war against Russia.

00:37:55.000 What, though, is the position of the West when it comes to outspoken critics of establishment policies, whether it's Gonzalo Lira or Julian Assange?

00:38:04.000 Where's that conversation?

00:38:05.000 Let's have it now.

00:38:08.000 It's odd that Alexei Navalny has died at this time, just after Putin has been interviewed by Tucker.

00:38:14.000 It's extraordinary and it's sad.

00:38:16.000 Let's have a look at Alexei Navalny, what his politics were.

00:38:19.000 Let's have a look at how the death is being utilised by the establishment media.

00:38:23.000 And let's have a look too to see if there's any hypocrisy in this coverage, given that Julian Assange is still in prison in Belmarsh without trial, essentially for being critical of the policies of the West, in particular with regard to military action abroad.

00:38:37.000 Let's see if we can hold all of this in our heads simultaneously and assess Whether or not this death, which still as yet may not be a murder, I mean it's quite likely it is a murder.

00:38:46.000 He's died in prison.

00:38:47.000 Putin is the sort of person that would have people murdered. 0.64

00:38:49.000 There's no question about that.

00:38:50.000 But is it being utilised to legitimise further expenditure and funding of the Ukraine war?

00:38:55.000 And is it hypocritical to declare that this is morally outrageous while Julian Assange is still in prison and Gonzalo Lira died in a Ukrainian jail?

00:39:03.000 Now where outrage is growing following the death of Alexei Navalny, the staunch Putin critic who Russian authorities say died suddenly Friday in a Siberian prison.

00:39:13.000 The death of Alexei Navalny yesterday was a reminder of the extraordinary brutality of Putin and his government.

00:39:22.000 Whatever story they tell, let us be clear Russia is responsible. 0.91

00:39:28.000 That really led to that conclusion.

00:39:30.000 And again, it's probably true.

00:39:31.000 But for all of that piety and condemnation, do you see an absence of appropriate piety when it comes to the case of Julian Assange, who's still in Belmarsh prison right now, whose hearing is this week, which will not be covered by the Western media?

00:39:46.000 To remind you, what Julian Assange did was reported on war crimes of the West, primarily in the Middle East.

00:39:52.000 For this, he's been imprisoned in various forms for about 10 years now.

00:39:56.000 What's interesting here is not whether or not Alexei Navalny was murdered by Putin.

00:40:01.000 Let's assume he was. 0.93

00:40:02.000 Let's say that Putin is definitely a war criminal, definitely a tyrant, definitely murders people in jail. 0.91

00:40:07.000 Let's analyze the position from which the West is criticizing Russia and Putin. 0.97

00:40:11.000 Is it one of moral clarity, purity, or is it from a position of hypocrisy?

00:40:17.000 We should be clear about what has happened here.

00:40:19.000 Putin's Russia imprisoned him, trumped up charges against him.

00:40:24.000 I guess what you could do is just imagine in your mind they were talking about Julian Assange and then is there at any point a contradiction there?

00:40:30.000 Trumped up charges against him?

00:40:32.000 Accusations appeared out of thin air?

00:40:34.000 Essentially the argument we're making is this.

00:40:36.000 Are our governments in a position to wage war or a proxy war at least with Russia?

00:40:41.000 On the basis of moral reasons when the conduct that they are condemning is so similar to their own conduct.

00:40:48.000 Sent him to a Arctic penal colony and now he's tragically died and we should hold Putin accountable for this and no one should be in any doubt about the dreadful nature of Putin's regime in Russia.

00:41:01.000 That's what true morals and principles mean.

00:41:03.000 That the values and principles can be applied to any situation.

00:41:07.000 They're not used as a weapon.

00:41:08.000 Aha! 0.94

00:41:08.000 Right, this guy's dead. 0.94

00:41:10.000 Remember, we hate Putin, don't we? 0.58

00:41:10.000 Brilliant. 0.58

00:41:12.000 And we can use this to amplify our narrative that we should perpetuate this profitable war.

00:41:16.000 If they were real principles, they would be talking about Julian Assange and Gonzalo Lira in the same way.

00:41:21.000 Oh yeah, should Julian Assange really be in Belmar?

00:41:23.000 She hasn't had a trial or anything.

00:41:24.000 Those would be the kind of conversations you'd hear David Cameron or Joe Biden publicly having.

00:41:29.000 You won't.

00:41:30.000 And there's a reason for that.

00:41:31.000 You know, like millions of people around the world, I'm literally both not surprised and outraged by the news.

00:41:40.000 Reported death of Alexei Navalny.

00:41:42.000 We all know that this is about utility.

00:41:44.000 We all know that Joe Biden didn't have a genuine emotional reaction.

00:41:46.000 What?

00:41:47.000 Alexei Navalny's dead.

00:41:48.000 Oh no, he was my favorite opponent of Russia's tyranny. 0.93

00:41:51.000 Remember, the United States have definitely participated in the murder of political opponents, whether that's Saddam Hussein or Colonel Gaddafi.

00:41:58.000 These people were just like publicly, almost evangelically murdered as a result of becoming enemies of American foreign interests, in addition to the crimes exposed by Julian Assange, whose plight is not so openly discussed.

00:42:10.000 So if this is about Morin, we should be not surprised because we knew how bad Putin was, but we should be outraged because we knew how bad Putin is.

00:42:16.000 What's your position?

00:42:17.000 What is your position on Assange?

00:42:19.000 He bravely stood up to the corruption, the violence.

00:42:23.000 Like Assange?

00:42:25.000 All the bad things that the Putin government was doing.

00:42:30.000 In response, Putin had him poisoned, he had him arrested, he had him prosecuted for fabricated crimes.

00:42:38.000 Assange, Assange.

00:42:39.000 He sentenced him to prison.

00:42:41.000 He was held in isolation.

00:42:42.000 Like, at what point could you not apply these words to Julian Assange?

00:42:46.000 Like, because he's not Russian?

00:42:47.000 Is that what it is?

00:42:48.000 Even all that didn't stop him from calling out for his lies.

00:42:53.000 Even in prison.

00:42:54.000 He was a powerful voice for the truth, which is kind of amazing when you think about it.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, it is amazing.

00:42:59.000 How can you do that speech and not in the back of your mind go, oh no, we're going to have to do something about Julian Assange.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, but we can't, can we?

00:43:05.000 Because we're going to continue to wage convenient wars around the world for decades to come.

00:43:10.000 And indeed, this is one of those wars.

00:43:13.000 The war with Russia is one of those wars.

00:43:15.000 This is not about whether or not Putin is a tyrant.

00:43:17.000 Let's say he is.

00:43:18.000 This is not about whether Putin murdered Navalny.

00:43:20.000 Let's say he did.

00:43:21.000 This is about is the West in any position to make such a judgment and is there utility in this death and the way it's being reported, i.e.

00:43:29.000 is it being used to drum up further funding, more goodwill from the public to perpetuate this very expensive war.

00:43:36.000 And he could have lived safely in exile after the assassination attempt on him in 2020.

00:43:42.000 Which nearly killed him, I might add.

00:43:44.000 A bit like the CIA plot against Julian Assange.

00:43:46.000 No.

00:43:47.000 Nothing like that.

00:43:47.000 No.

00:43:48.000 In what way?

00:43:49.000 We weren't able to execute our plot.

00:43:51.000 So you're saying that Russian secret services are more effective than American secret services?

00:43:56.000 No!

00:43:57.000 Russian authorities are going to tell their own story.

00:44:00.000 Make no mistake.

00:44:01.000 Make no mistake.

00:44:03.000 Putin is responsible for Navalny's death.

00:44:06.000 Putin is responsible.

00:44:08.000 What has happened to Navalny is yet more proof of Putin's brutality.

00:44:13.000 This tragedy reminds us of the stakes of this moment.

00:44:15.000 Reminds me of Julian Assange's case, to tell you the absolute truth.

00:44:19.000 Now, the death of Navalny is obviously sad.

00:44:21.000 That's a human being with a family who's been, it seems, unjustly imprisoned and perhaps Even murdered potentially by the tyrannical Vladimir Putin as part of his criminal invasion in Ukraine.

00:44:32.000 All of these things can be true but what also remains true is that the military-industrial complex and the establishment elite behave in a comparable way which makes all of this sudden lacrimose affection for Alexei Navalny seem a little insincere and exploitative.

00:44:48.000 We have to provide the funding so Ukraine can keep defending itself.

00:44:52.000 Oh, right.

00:44:53.000 I suppose, if only there was something we could do.

00:44:57.000 Keep funding that war that's going so well. 0.97

00:45:00.000 Yeah, yeah, because I suppose now Russia don't have nuclear weapons still and NATO involvement.

00:45:05.000 That's all wiped away, is it, with Navalny?

00:45:07.000 Against Putin's vicious onslaughts and war crimes.

00:45:11.000 Okay, vicious onslaughts and war crimes. 0.70

00:45:14.000 So you've heard the establishment's perspective, let's see if there's an alternative perspective available to us.

00:45:19.000 The entire Western political media class are currently rending their garments about the prison death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny and are being joined by the propaganda adult citizenry of the Western Empire.

00:45:30.000 Meanwhile, Julian Assange's last-ditch effort to appeal against extradition to the United States is coming up in a few days with a tiny fraction of the attention.

00:45:38.000 Do you know what?

00:45:39.000 It would almost be worth them saying, we're going to pardon Julian Assange because this has really affected us, the Deaf and Nouveau, and it's made us realise that actually we do comparable things.

00:45:45.000 So because we want to be able to perpetuate this forever war, we are willing to sacrifice one of our treasured injustices in order just to keep this profitable war going.

00:45:54.000 Navalny's past release of confidential documents from the Russian government and state-run energy companies had drawn comparisons to Assange's work at WikiLeaks, which exposed US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as international corruption.

00:46:07.000 That's why Assange is in prison.

00:46:09.000 Not because he put service personnel in harm's way.

00:46:11.000 The Pentagon have been unable to demonstrate that WikiLeaks put any service personnel in any danger.

00:46:16.000 Assange is currently languishing in a maximum security prison in London, awaiting a hearing next week that will determine whether he can appeal his extradition to the United States.

00:46:24.000 Stella Assange warned Thursday that her husband will die if he's extradited.

00:46:27.000 That's why we are covering the hearing today and tomorrow, to bring as much attention to this significant case as possible.

00:46:33.000 Whenever I see people screaming about the persecution of journalists and political prisoners in other countries, when they themselves live in a nation whose government is persecuting Julian Assange, I can't help but think of Matthew, chapter 7, verses 4 and 5.

00:46:44.000 How can you say to your brother, let me take the speck out of your eye, when all the time there's a plank in your own eye? 0.94

00:46:49.000 You, hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. 0.97

00:46:55.000 And I suppose the point of scripture is to point us towards principles that will be applicable in our own life, even if that's at the scale of geopolitics. 0.99

00:47:02.000 You can't bemoan the death of Navalny in that fashion if you're not willing to address the case of Julian Assange.

00:47:08.000 The death of Navalny in an Arctic prison on Friday has been immediately integrated into a massive anti-Russia propaganda campaign by the Biden administration and its NATO allies, along with their associated media outlets.

00:47:19.000 Without an autopsy, let alone a fact-grounded analysis of the circumstances of Navalny's death, the unified position from the NATO powers is Putin killed Navalny.

00:47:28.000 For the purposes of our analysis, we can accept that to be the perspective.

00:47:32.000 We can say, OK, Putin killed Navalny.

00:47:34.000 Let's focus now, because we don't live in Russia.

00:47:36.000 Our problems are not Russia.

00:47:38.000 I don't believe that Russian expansionism will extend to other NATO countries and ultimately lead to the takeover of the United States and the United Kingdom.

00:47:44.000 I think that they are a regional superpower that might lead To aggression, as in the case of Ukraine.

00:47:49.000 And that doesn't mean that's none of our business, but it does mean essentially we should be supporting diplomacy rather than military escalation and focusing on our own nations and our own democracy and our own infrastructure, particularly with the resources that are being spent on perpetuating this war, which I believe to be unwinnable.

00:48:02.000 Let me know in the chat what you think.

00:48:03.000 US President Joe Biden declared on Friday that there is no doubt that the death of Navalny is a consequence of something Putin and his thugs did.

00:48:10.000 Secretary of State Antony Blinken proclaimed that it underscores the weakness and rot at the heart of the system that Putin has built.

00:48:17.000 Russia is responsible for this. 0.98

00:48:18.000 French President Emmanuel Macron greeting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Paris to sign a military alliance and offering him hundreds of millions of euros in aid denounced Russia.

00:48:28.000 Macron stressed his anger and indignation at Navalny's death.

00:48:31.000 Amidst this propaganda offensive, it is first necessary to stress that there is no precise knowledge as to how Navalny died.

00:48:38.000 Russia's Federal Penitentiary Service reported that Navalny lost consciousness after a walk and efforts to revive him were not successful.

00:48:44.000 Navalny, according to reports, may have died of a blood clot.

00:48:47.000 It would be a terrible irony if he died as a result of vaccine injury after all of this outrage from the establishment.

00:48:53.000 He seemed to sort of suddenly develop myocarditis.

00:48:53.000 What killed him?

00:48:53.000 I don't know.

00:48:56.000 Oh, OK.

00:48:57.000 Is there any medications that he was on?

00:48:59.000 Hmm, there were.

00:49:01.000 This would not absolve the Russian government of culpability.

00:49:04.000 Navalny died in a Russian prison, and the Putin regime was responsible for his well-being and safety. 0.73

00:49:09.000 This, however, does not warrant the claim, in the absence of evidence, that Navalny was murdered.

00:49:14.000 Yes, I suppose that would be a sensible way to conduct this matter.

00:49:18.000 Let's first get some evidence and then see where we are after that.

00:49:21.000 Or, you could get every Western leader to go onto the news and immediately say, Russia murdered this person.

00:49:27.000 Particularly enthusiastic was Kamala Harris, who was talking as if she was like, oh, I witnessed, I mean, I watched him.

00:49:32.000 Oh my God, oh, what are you doing to him?

00:49:34.000 Oh God, don't give him the booster shot!

00:49:36.000 One element of the propaganda campaign is the glorification of the deceased.

00:49:40.000 Alexei Navalny was a champion of democracy, declared the Washington Post editorial board.

00:49:45.000 The greatest advocate for Russian democracy is dead, ran an opinion piece in the British Telegraph.

00:49:50.000 The Atlantic Council, which is closely connected to the US State Department, and funded in extraordinary ways.

00:49:55.000 Have a look at the Atlantic Council.

00:49:56.000 It's not just like, we're the Atlantic Council.

00:49:58.000 We're just here at the Atlantic, counselling people.

00:50:00.000 It's funded by like the weapons industry and stuff.

00:50:02.000 It's not a think tank.

00:50:03.000 It's a tank tank.

00:50:05.000 The Atlantic Council, which is closely connected to the US State Department, proclaimed that Navalny's martyrdom will magnify his moral leadership immeasurably.

00:50:12.000 Navalny may be a hero.

00:50:14.000 I'm really not questioning that.

00:50:15.000 I'm aware that there's like a family left behind and a widow and all that kind of stuff, so I don't mean to be glib or mean or rude about it.

00:50:21.000 I'm just pointing out that this is being exploited.

00:50:24.000 That, as Jim Morrison once said, death makes angels of us all.

00:50:26.000 And in this case, it makes a useful tool for the Western media and establishment interest to further pursue a war that may not be beneficial for you or me.

00:50:36.000 Navalny, however, was not a representative of a democratic faction of the Russian political system.

00:50:41.000 He entered politics on the far right.

00:50:43.000 Oh, so you like the far right sometimes.

00:50:45.000 Joining the free market Yabloko party.

00:50:47.000 Great Bolshevik Yablokos to you! 0.99

00:50:49.000 And its union of right forces in 2000.

00:50:51.000 In 2007, he co-founded the National Russian Liberation Movement, an anti-immigrant chauvinist outfit.

00:50:57.000 So he's a bit like Trump, who you also love, right? 0.74

00:51:00.000 In 2021, Amnesty International temporarily stripped Navalny of the designation it had given him as a prisoner of conscience for advocating racial killings of people from Central Asia and the Caucasus, whom he once referred to as cockroaches.

00:51:14.000 Only after he entered into opposition to Putin did Navalny decide, for political reasons, to find another, more politically palatable basis to choose the all-purpose banner of anti-corruption.

00:51:25.000 In the context of the bitter conflicts within the Russian oligarchy, Navalny represented a faction of Russia's capitalist oligarchy that wants closer relations with the United States.

00:51:34.000 To point out that Navalny may once have been a right-wing politician, to point out that Navalny had relationships with the United States or was willing to alter his political views in order to be a more amenable ally to the United States, which, by the way, would be a good reason for Putin to regard him as an opponent, is not to say that he deserved to die or that Putin didn't have him murdered.

00:51:54.000 But it would be naive, wouldn't it, to neglect our knowledge of the 2014 coup in Ukraine.

00:51:59.000 And how America operates in Latin and Central America with the installation of favorable political leaders or how specifically the United States operated after the 2014 coup installing favorable leaders in the Ukraine that were antagonistic to Putin and to deny the possibility that there is some involvement would be naive.

00:52:17.000 Again the same as with the murder you should wait for the evidence before asserting that he was a CIA asset.

00:52:23.000 The same way you should wait for the evidence before asserting that he was murdered.

00:52:26.000 But it seems likely that he was murdered by Putin.

00:52:29.000 But what else seems likely on the basis of what we know about America's conduct in what it regards as hostile territories where it has a political and financial agenda?

00:52:38.000 If Navalny was murdered, there are many possible suspects, including some agency of the Russian state acting with or without Putin's knowledge.

00:52:46.000 In recent months, the Kremlin has attacked many opposition figures, even if they had no short-term prospects in next month's presidential elections.

00:52:54.000 However, one would have to ask, why would Putin take action against Navalny now?

00:52:58.000 The Russian president has been working to ingratiate himself with a faction of the political establishment in the United States.

00:53:04.000 His recent interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson was devoted largely to pleading for a negotiated settlement over the war in Ukraine.

00:53:11.000 In the aftermath of the interview, Putin went out of his way to praise Biden, saying he would prefer his election to that of Trump.

00:53:17.000 If it were foul play, There are others who could be responsible, including factional opponents of Putin who see Navalny's death as helpful for their own cause.

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00:54:35.000 All of this, however, is entirely speculative.

00:54:37.000 More important is how is it being used by the US and NATO powers, above all the Biden administration, to intensify the campaign for an escalation of the war against Russia.

00:54:47.000 Well, we saw in Biden's speech that after some sentimental words about Navalny, who I personally have never heard him mentioned before, not that that means he hasn't mentioned him, of course, don't watch everything that's on the television, He ultimately ended the speech by saying, that is why we have to continue to fund the war between Ukraine and Russia.

00:55:05.000 We have to provide the funding so Ukraine can keep defending itself.

00:55:08.000 And in a sense, there's a great deal of complexity that has been obfuscated and ignored throughout this war. 0.82

00:55:14.000 And I would say the approach to this death, or indeed murder, is similarly opaque and similarly exploitative, and given the case of Julian Assange, hypocritical.

00:55:25.000 The immediate demand from the Biden administration, the Democrats and sections of the Republican Party is for the passage by Congress of a bill containing tens of billions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine.

00:55:36.000 Here, what is most striking is the staggering hypocrisy of the imperialist powers.

00:55:40.000 Biden and his NATO allies furiously denounced the Putin regime's treatment of Navalny while subjecting Julian Assange, a genuine champion of human rights, to the most brutal and life-threatening conditions.

00:55:51.000 Assange has been kept in Belmarsh Prison in southeastern London under conditions that the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture described as ill-treatment, arbitrary detention, and what could amount to psychological torture.

00:56:03.000 He was the subject of assassination plots orchestrated by the CIA.

00:56:07.000 He has been systematically denied medical care and the ability to communicate, even with his lawyers.

00:56:12.000 And this week, he has a hearing that could decide his final appeal against extradition to the United States.

00:56:18.000 So I suppose we ought be sympathetic to the death in custody of Navalny, but we also ought be aware that there are figures within our own political landscape who are suffering in a way that is similar, comparable, and has to be addressed if we're to have any right to this kind of zealous mourning on the subject of Navalny.

00:56:35.000 And what of the many prisoners still rotting in Guantanamo Bay after decades of brutal detention and torture?

00:56:40.000 That phrase, whataboutism, people go, you can't just engage in whataboutism.

00:56:43.000 What that means is addressing the impossibility of moral piety if you yourself are responsible and culpable of the same kind of moral transgressions that you are condemning other people.

00:56:54.000 That's not a ridiculous position to take.

00:56:56.000 Whataboutism.

00:56:57.000 Like, what they're trying to do is nullify it.

00:56:58.000 They're like, that's just whataboutism.

00:57:00.000 That's just whataboutism. 0.98

00:57:01.000 If Julian Assange is to be detained and ultimately extradited, then you do not have the right to say, oh, Putin, you monster!

00:57:09.000 You just have to go, yeah, I agree with that bit of imprisonment, not that bit of imprisonment.

00:57:12.000 I like that torture, but not that torture. 0.75

00:57:14.000 This hypocrisy is fine.

00:57:15.000 That hypocrisy isn't.

00:57:16.000 That's my position.

00:57:17.000 I don't have any values.

00:57:18.000 I have an agenda.

00:57:19.000 There.

00:57:20.000 The only purpose of the propaganda campaign over Navalny's death is to justify the further escalation of war against Russia.

00:57:20.000 What about that?

00:57:27.000 So, Navalny's death, like the death of any human, is bad.

00:57:30.000 How is the establishment exploiting this death?

00:57:32.000 How are the media reporting on this death?

00:57:34.000 How are they reporting on the imprisonment and potential extradition of Julian Assange?

00:57:39.000 If you see any disparities there, That is hypocrisy.

00:57:42.000 And hypocrisy is evidence of an agenda.

00:57:45.000 That's why we are covering Julian Assange's hearing.

00:57:47.000 That is why we are praying that Julian Assange, as a person who exposed the crimes of others, rather than committed crimes himself, ought be freed.

00:57:55.000 And while we should mourn the death in custody of Alexei Navalny, we ought be a little sceptical about the Western leaders queuing up to say what a hero he was and how is this terrible and further evidence of Putin's tyranny.

00:58:07.000 All of which could be true.

00:58:08.000 On our channel, we are not pro-Putin.

00:58:10.000 We are not anti-Ukraine.

00:58:11.000 We are pro-truth, pro-freedom, pro-change, anti-establishment.

00:58:15.000 But that's just what I think.

00:58:16.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:58:17.000 See you in a second.

00:58:25.000 We have Antoine Weil with us, an international human rights lawyer who's representing Julian Assange in this matter, who's just come to join us directly from the Royal Courts of Justice.

00:58:37.000 Thank you for coming on, Antoine.

00:58:39.000 It's very kind of you.

00:58:40.000 How did that hearing go by your appraisal?

00:58:40.000 Thank you.

00:58:44.000 Do you feel that you were able to render the case effectively?

00:58:48.000 Stella, in particular, when she was just here, said that it was rewarding and cathartic for her to hear the arguments laying out, the CIA plot, the exploitation of the law, the possibility that this is, as I think it was Edward Snowden's point, I think what Stella says is true.

00:59:05.000 state, not an individual, and you cannot use the Espionage Act against an individual.

00:59:08.000 But you're the human rights lawyer, Antoine, how did it go and what do you anticipate?

00:59:13.000 I think what Stella says is true, it's interesting and it's something that is striking to be

00:59:21.000 able to, in a way, in a day, hearing all the arguments that have been worked by the lawyers,

00:59:28.000 by everyone for years, because it's a case that has been going on for years.

00:59:32.000 Uh...

00:59:33.000 Each time we have this kind of hearings, because you know it's not the first time that we are discussing this case in front of the High Court of Justice, we have the feeling that it's starting again and again.

00:59:42.000 So tomorrow will be a second set of arguments.

00:59:46.000 It's very difficult to understand where it's going at.

00:59:49.000 And I want everyone to understand that the simple object of today's hearing is to know whether we will grant a right of appeal to Julian Assange.

00:59:57.000 So in terms of legal rights, it's a little bit striking and frustrating that there is a debate over whether or not he can appeal a decision.

01:00:08.000 And it's rather technical, but I think today that the arguments were made to have the judge analyse the full story.

01:00:16.000 Is it frustrating precisely because The right to appeal ought be presumed.

01:00:21.000 Well, it's frustrating because we're not even on the merits of the case.

01:00:25.000 One of the things that is particular to this case is that this person has been at least detained for four years without ever having a real trial.

01:00:35.000 And our concern, and this is one of the lines of opposition with the United States, is that we believe that if he were to be extradited to the United States, he could not have a fair trial.

01:00:45.000 So, in a way, it's difficult to be in a trial in England, that is not the real trial that should happen.

01:00:51.000 We are not discussing the merits of the case, we're not discussing the evidence, we're not

01:00:55.000 discussing the testimonials, we are only discussing whether or not Assange is in a position to be

01:01:01.000 extradited to the United States.

01:01:03.000 The case hasn't even started because the case has never been actually instructed yet.

01:01:09.000 It's extraordinary and perhaps even Dante-esque that there are these concentric circles of judicial

01:01:17.000 theatre required even to get to the point where you are able to make the case.

01:01:24.000 Have Julian Assange's human rights already been significantly infringed upon?

01:01:31.000 Is there a case for his solitary confinement being an infringement of his human rights?

01:01:38.000 His incarceration without trial?

01:01:41.000 Is there already significant reason to believe that he has been transgressed against?

01:01:45.000 Yeah, I mean, it has been even decided by the United Nations that he has been psychologically tortured, that he's arbitrarily detained.

01:01:55.000 His freedom of expression is today reduced to nothing because, as you saw, he wasn't even in the court today.

01:02:01.000 It's impossible to communicate to the world, to have a family life.

01:02:04.000 So the fact that Assange has been deprived of these fundamental rights since several years is, I would say, is a fact now.

01:02:16.000 The question here is that it's part of the system and part of this accusation to create

01:02:21.000 a legal labyrinth, a legal path, where everyone gets lost in a way.

01:02:26.000 Today we are only commenting a decision regarding an appeal for an extradition trial.

01:02:31.000 And at the end of the day, for nine years, Julian Assange has never been able to state

01:02:36.000 clearly what is his defense.

01:02:39.000 Several persons would say, why doesn't he come to America to face a real trial?

01:02:44.000 It's because the truth is that we believe, I mean, we believe America is a great system,

01:02:50.000 a great system of institutions.

01:02:53.000 But we don't believe that Assange could have a fair trial in America for the reason that

01:02:57.000 today America wishes to be the victim, the prosecutor, and the judges of this case.

01:03:03.000 And this cannot happen, actually.

01:03:04.000 You can't be at the same time arguing you are the victim of someone, prosecuting him, and aiming to judge him.

01:03:11.000 So, I mean, as an international lawyer, as someone who is in a way impartial towards the system, we have no concern with America as such, we believe that it's not the right forum, it's not the right way to proceed, and I think this is one of the main arguments that were raised today, under the heads that it's a political charge raised against Julian Assange, and that it's striking, for example, for a French lawyer, that you could be Prosecuted, detained, even extradited for an offense that could be summarized as having published real information.

01:03:48.000 This is, I think, what the case is about.

01:03:50.000 Can you basically prosecute, put someone in prison for establishing that he has published true information?

01:03:59.000 This peculiar hydra that you have described, where the American establishment simultaneously plays the role of victim and persecutor, does it have a comparison in today's proceedings when a figure like Justice Jeremy Johnson has such strong establishment ties to MI6 and the Ministry of Defence through previous cases that he has fought?

01:04:24.000 And doesn't that more broadly, Antoine, Point to the impossibility of the establishment granting a truly judicious process to a person who is perhaps defined by his anti-establishment actions.

01:04:39.000 Well, I think that if you are a lawyer, it's because you believe in the law.

01:04:42.000 Otherwise, you do something else.

01:04:44.000 And I think that there are several ways of seeing a past experience of a judge.

01:04:48.000 But while we are in the judicial process, I think it's the duty of lawyers not to comment it and to hope That we are before an independent justice and we are before judges that are able to exercise their free minds regarding the arguments that are submitted to them.

01:05:07.000 This is a code of law.

01:05:08.000 Otherwise, it's more like a debate or something that is more in the political field.

01:05:13.000 So we believe that England has independent institutions.

01:05:16.000 We believe that the experience of these judges can be a strength also because he's aware of the process of the fact that are discussed.

01:05:24.000 It's better perhaps to have an experienced judge than a judge that doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:05:29.000 And I think we can't infer that there is a bias or a prejudice.

01:05:35.000 This is what the law is about.

01:05:36.000 We instruct a case.

01:05:38.000 This case will be motivated.

01:05:40.000 We will be able to see what the decision is taken and the motivation.

01:05:43.000 If the motivation is the right one in law, I think we have all our chances to win.

01:05:49.000 That's extraordinary.

01:05:50.000 Thank you very much Antoine for articulating that and it is encouraging to hear at least that these institutions in ideal are actually have the potential to function rather well and I suppose we operate in a space where we assume corruption and hypocrisy No, I don't want to sound naive on that.

01:06:12.000 you're rather open-minded and somewhat regal, if undoubtedly French, perspective on legal

01:06:19.000 systems.

01:06:20.000 No, I don't want to sound naive on that.

01:06:23.000 I mean, the case of Julian Assange shows the behind of the cards.

01:06:28.000 And I think no one can be naive after so many years.

01:06:32.000 But if we don't expect in the legal system, I think that we don't have any weapons anymore.

01:06:39.000 So it has been a battle for years.

01:06:42.000 We won several sides, we lost others, and we are at an edge now.

01:06:48.000 We hope that the judicial system in England will depart from this position because we do believe That is a political activation.

01:06:56.000 We do believe that the situation of health of Julian Assange doesn't allow for him to go to the United States.

01:07:01.000 And we do believe that he would not be submitted to a fair trial.

01:07:05.000 I'm sure that Julian Assange would be free, would love to be able to explain himself on what is this case about.

01:07:12.000 And I want to repeat again.

01:07:15.000 That what is striking to an independent observer is the fact that no matter what you think about Assange, no matter what you think about the national interest protection, at the end of the day he's a journalist who has published information.

01:07:30.000 And it's true that it's difficult for an independent international lawyer to understand what is the real American psyche on it, because In other democratic countries, such as the United States, we don't believe that a journalist could be prosecuted likewise.

01:07:51.000 Yes.

01:07:52.000 Thank you very much, Antoine, for joining us today.

01:07:54.000 Let us remind ourselves of why we are here, because Julian Assange is appealing for the... he's having a hearing in order to have the right to appeal against his extradition.

01:08:05.000 And let's hear Julian Assange now speaking on both the subject of media and the subject of war.

01:08:11.000 Thanks once again for joining us, Antoine.

01:08:12.000 Let's have a look at that.

01:08:20.000 What we have is that nearly every war that has started in the past 50 years has been

01:08:25.000 a result of media lies.

01:08:27.000 Thanks.

01:08:28.000 The media could have stopped it if they had searched deep enough.

01:08:31.000 If they hadn't reprinted government propaganda, they could have stopped it.

01:08:34.000 But what does that mean?

01:08:37.000 Well, that means, basically, populations don't like wars.

01:08:40.000 And populations have to be fooled into wars.

01:08:44.000 Populations don't willingly and with open eyes go into a war.

01:08:48.000 So, if we have a good media environment, then we'll also have a peaceful environment.

01:08:55.000 If that wasn't enough international flavour for this wonderful live stream, where we hope to present to you a variety of arguments that demonstrate the necessity for Julian Assange to have the right to have an appeal against his extradition to the United States of America, we're now bringing you two members of the European Parliament, Clare Daly and Mick Wallace.

01:09:17.000 Clare, it's lovely to see you again.

01:09:19.000 Thank you for coming.

01:09:19.000 My pleasure.

01:09:20.000 And Mick, it's lovely to meet you properly on camera and to take a glance at what perhaps could be my future.

01:09:27.000 What?

01:09:29.000 I see you as a potential, just a man slightly further down the road when it comes to hair pigmentation and perhaps other aspects of life as well.

01:09:38.000 The difference between the two of us is now, I never put anything in mine, you're dying yours. 0.99

01:09:42.000 Dammit, this is all natural. 1.00

01:09:43.000 You can see that from my beard, dammit. 1.00

01:09:46.000 Both of you were inside the hearing today. 0.98

01:09:49.000 Claire, would you please tell us, we've spoken to Stella Assange, we've spoken to Julian's brother, we've just spoken to Antoine Weil.

01:09:56.000 There seemed to be a degree of optimism, at least in the fact that they've been able to articulate their side of the case.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, and I mean, look, if we were there as lay people, I suppose, with other members of the public, so we wouldn't be legal experts.

01:10:10.000 But yeah, they got to make the points.

01:10:12.000 But these were the, I suppose, the defence points, if you like.

01:10:15.000 Tomorrow we'll have the other side.

01:10:17.000 So it's kind of always easier when you have your own side speaking.

01:10:21.000 But I thought they did quite well.

01:10:22.000 But I suppose the question that we all ask ourselves is, you know, Is this going to be a legal decision at the end of the day?

01:10:32.000 I suppose you mean a legal decision as opposed to a political decision.

01:10:36.000 Having just spoken to Antoine Weil, it was interesting to hear how he articulated the function of the law.

01:10:45.000 Given that you are, as well as members of the European Parliament, lay people, what was it that compelled you to attend today's hearing, Mick?

01:10:54.000 And may I ask you to use that microphone?

01:10:56.000 How did you personally feel that it went and what are your concerns about tomorrow?

01:11:03.000 Yeah, well first of all, we're here because we think this is an incredibly important case.

01:11:10.000 It's gone on over 10 years now.

01:11:13.000 I think it was around 2012, 2011 when he first went into the Ecuadorian embassy.

01:11:17.000 He spent five years now in Belmarsh and he's locked up and facing extradition to America because he's told the truth about US and NATO war crimes, specifically in Afghanistan and Iraq.

01:11:33.000 And Western countries like the US and sadly the Europeans and the UK don't want people like Assange telling the truth about war crimes being committed by Western powers because that's what he did.

01:11:48.000 And he exposed them 2010 with the files from Chelsea Manning.

01:11:55.000 People thought maybe what the Americans are doing in Iraq, maybe it's not so bad. 0.99

01:12:00.000 But what Assange did through WikiLeaks, he exposed the fact that this was horrific.

01:12:08.000 A million citizens died in Iraq and we never showed any interest in those citizens.

01:12:14.000 But Julian changed all that.

01:12:16.000 So it was a real game changer.

01:12:18.000 And the idea that somebody like Julian would get away with actually telling the truth about US and NATO war crimes was unthinkable to them.

01:12:28.000 So they have been trying to silence him and silence others because the silencing effect that Julian, the imprisonment that Julian is causing is really dramatic and it's obvious all across Europe.

01:12:43.000 There's very little independent mainstream media.

01:12:45.000 There's so few media prepared to call out the truth.

01:12:50.000 And in the European Parliament, where we are, if you say something that challenges the mainstream narrative, we're accused of disinformation.

01:12:59.000 And whereas the majority of the people realise what is happening, And they're becoming more and more informed through social media, because certainly their television sets are not telling the truth.

01:13:15.000 So through social media, people are starting to realize that the politicians represent the elites.

01:13:22.000 They don't represent the people. 0.84

01:13:24.000 And they represent the big military-industrial complex.

01:13:29.000 And it's about time that the people actually took some power back into their own hands.

01:13:35.000 People are going to have to change how things are happening.

01:13:38.000 Because politicians don't change the world, but the people can.

01:13:41.000 It's interesting that both of you are independent politicians and often in this independent media space we talk about the importance of independence because I suppose what corporatism does is presents us all with a gargantuan foe impossible to oppose because of its ubiquitous power, administrative force and Julian Assange I suppose ...is, as well as a man, and I'm very mindful of the human being Julian Assange, particularly having just spoken to his brother and his wife, is a symbol of, precisely as you've just laid out for us, Mick, what happens if, through simple transparency, honesty, clarity, and telling the truth, you expose global establishment power and war crimes.

01:14:24.000 And I suppose that's why You're here as well, Clare, is it?

01:14:28.000 Well, it is.

01:14:28.000 I mean, one of the things that I thought was real striking in the evidence, they talked about how Julian had exposed the torture, the renditions, and that actually his journalism changed things.

01:14:39.000 It changed the course of the war.

01:14:41.000 Now, how many journalists in this day and age do they change the course of a war?

01:14:45.000 And of course, he has to be punished for that.

01:14:47.000 So we've been at all of Julian's cases throughout all of the years.

01:14:52.000 And I think we are just symptomatic of loads of other people out there because what was really striking was the number like people have got traveled here from Australia, from Switzerland, from Sweden.

01:15:02.000 We met people from Jersey.

01:15:04.000 People got up early in the morning to travel here from all corners of Britain and people are not going to be cowed.

01:15:10.000 They've had enough.

01:15:11.000 They see Julian totally as a symbol of the of a free press but also I think of the peace movement of the anti-war movement and particularly now With what we're seeing in Gaza and what we've seen with the war in Ukraine, people have had enough and they see, as you say, the big corporations, the big interests.

01:15:29.000 Julian himself used to say war was about flushing money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe into the pockets of the industrial complex, that it wasn't about a winnable war, it was about endless war.

01:15:40.000 And we're so seeing that now and all of the people out on the streets were saying, no, no, we've just about had it now.

01:15:46.000 So, I mean, so today was kind of sad and determined. Because people are, as you say, there's a man

01:15:53.000 at the heart of this, there's a family. But there's a much bigger issue and people are up

01:15:58.000 for that. And Julian himself has been up for it all his life.

01:16:02.000 On the issue of the huge gap that has developed between the people and politics, in the summer

01:16:09.000 of 22, when the war was only in Ukraine, was five months on, there was research done and

01:16:17.000 showed that approximately 80% of the people of Europe favoured peace rather than continue

01:16:23.000 to punish Russia. But meanwhile, we put an amendment into the Ukraine resolution twice

01:16:28.000 that year in Strasbourg in the European Parliament, and our amendment called on the European Union

01:16:33.000 to maximise the potential to commence dialogue and diplomacy with a view to ending the war

01:16:38.000 and bringing about peace. Over 80% of the MEPs voted against that twice. So they voted

01:16:45.000 for the war to continue. Now their children weren't dying in the war. Working class kids... 1.00

01:16:50.000 Ukrainians and Russians are dying in the war and they don't give a damn about them. 1.00

01:16:56.000 They wanted the war to continue because it's a US-NATO proxy war.

01:16:59.000 It's a war to fill the pockets of the military-industrial complex.

01:17:03.000 It's a war driven by elites, not by the people.

01:17:07.000 And we had a 17% increase in living standards right across Europe.

01:17:11.000 In some countries, it's a 50% increase in energy costs.

01:17:14.000 For what?

01:17:15.000 To drive a war that's not in our interest?

01:17:18.000 To drive a war that's killing working class kids? 0.89

01:17:21.000 For no good reason.

01:17:23.000 It's extraordinary how seldom you hear those arguments articulated within the framework of the legacy media.

01:17:30.000 It's astonishing to see how underrepresented those perspectives are within ordinary political systems and it is terrifying that when those ideas and notions are raised that they're met with this extraordinarily modern Orwellian inversion, where we are told that it is somehow wrong to advocate for peace and diplomacy, but war is the only pathway available to us.

01:17:56.000 We saw how the sad, tragic death in prison of Alexei Navalny was exploited essentially to legitimize the ongoing funding of an increasingly unpopular war.

01:18:08.000 I wonder if you think that the kind of independent political movements that you two are representative of, as well as the brave sacrifices, astonishing and almost incomparable sacrifice made by Julian Assange, can be part of a deepening and broader opposition to this kind of seemingly impenetrable global war machine.

01:18:28.000 I think so, and I think people very much know what they don't want.

01:18:32.000 Maybe we haven't fully formulated an alternative, but I think people like never before are alienated from the political system, and it's sort of working itself way out in a kind of a confused way, but people absolutely know what they don't want, and we have to keep, I suppose, asking the right questions, whereas those in authority tell you they have all the answers.

01:18:53.000 They don't.

01:18:54.000 There's a huge amount of problems in society and we can only sort them out collectively.

01:18:58.000 But I do think people are absolutely trying to find new ways of organizing.

01:19:03.000 And I mean it is precisely up against that corporate capture by which the media are part of too.

01:19:09.000 They're just mouthpieces for it.

01:19:10.000 They're incredibly weak. 0.98

01:19:12.000 The view is, if anybody says anything different, they're a heretic. 0.63

01:19:15.000 We were Russian spies last week.

01:19:17.000 God only knows what we'll do this week.

01:19:19.000 Kremlin puppets, the whole lot.

01:19:21.000 And it's to silence dissent.

01:19:22.000 That's what it's about.

01:19:23.000 It's the same, as Mick says, the disinformation campaign.

01:19:27.000 No, I have a different political view to you.

01:19:30.000 That used to be called an exchange of views.

01:19:33.000 We were allowed to have two different views.

01:19:35.000 Wasn't that radical?

01:19:36.000 You know, how shocking!

01:19:37.000 But now it's not an exchange of views. 0.94

01:19:39.000 If it's an exchange of views, you're a Russian puppet or it's a heresy, you know? 0.50

01:19:44.000 War has always been brutal and it's always been ugly.

01:19:46.000 But we had wars in Afghanistan, Where there's over 400,000 killed.

01:19:50.000 We had a war in Iraq where over a million citizens were killed.

01:19:53.000 We had a war in Yemen where over 400,000 were killed.

01:19:57.000 We didn't see it on our televisions.

01:19:59.000 We didn't see it on our telephones.

01:20:01.000 Gaza is different.

01:20:03.000 People have seen over 12,000 kids killed in four months in Gaza.

01:20:08.000 And they've seen the US, the UK and the European Union support a genocide.

01:20:13.000 Because if this is not a genocide, I'd like to know what it is.

01:20:16.000 It is an unbelievable massacre of Palestinians by a settler-colonial Zionist project.

01:20:24.000 And the European media, the European politicians, have refused to call it out.

01:20:31.000 But the people are shocked.

01:20:34.000 The vast, vast majority of people all across Europe are shocked at what's happening.

01:20:39.000 They're shocked that the established countries that they thought were actually working in the interests of ordinary people, they're shocked to see that, you know what, the mask is off.

01:20:51.000 And they're seeing now for what it is.

01:20:53.000 And sadly, they still have a colonial mindset.

01:20:56.000 And sadly, From our perspective, we regard the political class and the elites in the US, EU and Europe and UK, they're still racist as far as we're concerned.

01:21:11.000 They're still racist and they don't value the lives of these people that we're seeing destroyed on a daily basis.

01:21:18.000 One of the things that is undeniable and evident from the trials of Julian Assange is the need for open, honest journalism, transparency and clarity.

01:21:28.000 And from our conversation, Claire and Nick, it's become increasingly clear that what is required is independent political movement, Independent political voices and the ability for us to openly discuss, with as large an audience as possible, opposition to establishment machinery and ongoing war.

01:21:46.000 Thank you Mick for joining us and thank you Claire as well for your dedication to this matter and for joining us today.

01:21:52.000 Thanks, Russell.

01:21:53.000 Well, that is the end of day one of our attendance of the Julian Assange hearing.

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01:22:23.000 Do we know who's coming on the show tomorrow?

01:22:26.000 Hopefully we'll have Stella Assange back. 1.00

01:22:28.000 Perhaps we'll speak to further members of the legal team.

01:22:30.000 Chris Hedges is likely to be here, but certainly we have the opportunity through this platform to communicate openly and honestly Thank you very much.

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