In this episode, Russell Brand sits down with award-winning journalist Lara Logan to discuss her experiences with censorship, censorship, and the dark side of the internet, including her work as a journalist and host of the show "60 Minutes" on CNN. In this conversation, Logan shares her insights on the dangers of centralised media and the influence of occultist forces within political and secular spaces, and why she believes that the real threat to our freedom comes not from the dark, weird stuff, but from those who are in control of the information we are told to think about, and those that are in charge of our perception of the world. This is a must-listen for anyone who wants to know if there's any truth in what they're being told about the world, or if it's just more of the same old stuff we've been told for years by mainstream media, and what it means for us to live in a world that is controlled by globalists and big tech companies. Thank you to Lara for being brave enough to speak her truth, and for standing up for what's right, and fighting for what s good and just. . Stay free, and stay free! You're going to see the future. You're not going to want to miss this one. Thank you for listening. -R.B. Brand -Isaac Chippenberry (Creative Commons - Creative Commons - This episode was produced by Tall Tales - This podcast was edited and produced by YouTuber and is a production of Awaken Wonder - This video was produced in collaboration with the Awakened Wonder Community - This is not to be heard anywhere else but in any other place where you don't have access to it? , and it's not just one of those places where you can get a copy of this video, it's going to be available anywhere else. You'll have to listen to it on your favourite streaming platform, so make sure to check it out and share it out on your social media platforms if you're listening to the whole thing. If you're looking for a copy, tweet me or share it on Insta-verse, we'll be getting it! -@tweet me and tag me or tag if you've got a podcast that's listening to it, and I'll get a shoutout in the next episode of this podcast - tweet me!
00:02:32.000Because we start talking about dark, weird stuff.
00:02:34.000The kind of dark, weird stuff that, in all frankness and all honesty, they don't want us discussing on a platform that's, to some degree, controlled by a globalist interest.
00:02:43.000And I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's a bit late now, because we've already been dubbed that.
00:02:47.000If you refuse to be compliant, what's the choice?
00:02:51.000Without any more nonsense, in fact, with one more bit of nonsense, if you're not a member of our Awaken Wonder community on Locals right now...
00:02:59.000Break Bread is the show that I do every single week where I have conversations with fantastic Christians, whether that's Jack Posobiec or whether it's Jonathan Peugeot, who's coming up this week.
00:03:14.000me, I'll be asking him about his friendship with Jordan Peterson, all stuff that's likely to illuminate you, edify you, educate you and elevate your consciousness to a plane that you didn't believe was possible till you became a member of our community.
00:03:25.000And to get you ready for that, here's a person that stands astride numerous worlds like a colossus, forgive the image, because she's been an expert journalist.
00:03:34.000She's a journalist with integrity and power.
00:03:36.000And as a result of that, she's experienced incredible attacks and censorship.
00:03:39.000Please welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand, Lara Logan.
00:03:50.000Well, you would not believe it, but I'm actually in Dallas right now, although I live in a small country town in the middle of the Texas hill country.
00:03:57.000So I'm not normally in the grand metropolis.
00:04:00.000There's around 11,000 people in my town usually.
00:04:04.000We're living in a seismic moment when it comes to the power of legacy media or mainstream media versus independent media.
00:04:14.000Lessons that appear to have become apparent in 2016, notably in the cases of the first election of Donald Trump and the Brexit vote in the UK where the British public voted to leave the EU demonstrated that No longer could systems of government rely on the conduit to the people being the old school media and that that would guarantee them electoral results that were favourable to them.
00:04:41.000Now we've sort of seen it again in 2024. Prior to Trump's second election, the conversations I was having with people in this space were...
00:04:48.000Do you think that since 2016, centralized authority, whether it's the censorship industrial complex or big tech platforms or governments using groups like CRISP or logically AI, have found ways to manage online communications that will mean that in 2024 Kamala Harris will be victorious rather than Trump?
00:05:11.000Now, obviously now we know the answer to that question.
00:05:15.000What does that tell us about how independent media and social media are likely to align going forward?
00:05:22.000And what is likely to be the impact politically?
00:05:27.000Are we going to see increasing attempts to censor?
00:05:30.000Or are we going to see new political movements emerge out of social media?
00:05:34.000I'm not sure if you're familiar with that guy, Phidias, who's a member of the European Parliament, who's like a social media star that got elected into the The European Parliament, they're just all like, okay guys, this is the budget, and he just tells you transparently stuff.
00:05:48.000He's been on my show, he's a fantastic young man.
00:05:51.000I just wonder what we've learned about the limits of centralised power, whether it's state or media, and what you envisage as an independent journalist yourself, having had experiences in mainstream media, having been a denizen of that world, and a decorated journalist within that world, How do you feel it's going to unfold with the recent victory of Trump MAGA? What do you envisage evolving from this situation?
00:06:21.000Well, there's a groundswell of support across social media for independent journalists and for citizen journalism, right?
00:06:28.000And if you look at that, Russell, I always try to understand what is really behind this?
00:06:35.000So if you look at it, we are now, we have been for some time in the stage of fifth generation warfare.
00:06:40.000You know, the generations of warfare are obvious.
00:06:43.000It started out with swords and clubs and all the rest of it.
00:06:46.000And then you introduced mechanized warfare and planes.
00:06:49.000And obviously then you have, you know, machine guns and all the rest that come in.
00:06:52.000Then finally, you know, fourth generation warfare was where you introduced terrorist groups, non-state actors in this kind of covert warfare.
00:07:01.000And then now you're in fifth generation warfare, which is the information battle space, where information is no longer a weapon of war.
00:07:12.000So what you're talking about happened in 2016 that took them by surprise, that they then worked very hard to make sure it didn't happen in 2020, and then just happened again in 2024, is that their hold, they had what is known as information dominance.
00:07:29.000And you could see that because every tactic that they used was successful.
00:07:33.000So when they said Trump was a white supremacist, which wasn't any more true in 2016 or 20 or 24, why did it work in 2017, 18, 19, 20?
00:07:44.000And it didn't work in 2024 because they no longer had Information dominance.
00:07:52.000Well, you know, Elon Musk taking over Twitter then gave up one of the most important weapons in the information battle space because it's so vast.
00:08:01.000And it reaches people and it gave such a voice.
00:08:04.000I mean, as you pointed out, it was yourself, quite frankly.
00:08:08.000Yourself, Joe Rogan, all these other podcasters who are able to amass huge audiences, but not just audiences, right?
00:08:15.000Because it's one thing if you're in the echo chamber, when you're on social media, the reason you keep getting the same information or similar stories or things that appeal to you and your ideology is because the algorithms are written to create what's called feedback loops.
00:08:29.000So I may think if I'm a Trump supporter, oh, Trump's doing great because in my feedback loop, everything positive about Trump.
00:08:36.000Or if I'm a Harris supporter, I'm getting the same thing in my feedback loop.
00:08:40.000But somewhere in between that is the truth.
00:08:42.000Well, how do you break that information dominance?
00:08:45.000You do it with people like Russell Brand.
00:09:34.000You knew before the experts got on TV and yelled at you.
00:09:37.000You knew before the Justice Department started criminalizing it.
00:09:40.000You knew it was a lie because you knew that a guy doesn't get elected from his basement when he's drawing circles around the eight people at his rally and someone else is churning out crowds of 30, 40, 50, 60,000 during COVID is the more popular candidate.
00:09:54.000But if you were living in that The Biden world, it made perfect sense to you.
00:10:18.000Because the email companies and the tech companies and the phone companies, they all got together.
00:10:24.000And in what is basically a seditious conspiracy, they agreed to block People whose voices they didn't want heard to maintain information dominance.
00:10:36.000But when Elon Musk bought Twitter, that was over.
00:10:48.000Whether it was citizen journalists or it was citizen activists, you had all of these people rising up and saying, we're not going to do this anymore.
00:10:56.000And then you had people like myself, I wasn't the only one, but you had people calling out the tactics, right?
00:11:02.000So when they say that Trump is a, is a Hitler, right?
00:11:47.000You saw it bleeding into MSNBC. I mean, this is the home of Of state-run propaganda in the United States, and yet you've got people on CNN and MSNBC literally saying, I'm not voting for Kamala Harris.
00:12:01.000I mean, by the way, African-American voters on their air saying, I'm not voting for her because of this, this, this, and this.
00:12:50.000You'll find them herding together because there's safety in numbers.
00:12:53.000So on the one hand, it's part of our DNA. On the other hand, you know, we very often lack the moral courage To stand up and take the hits.
00:13:01.000But now people have seen posts through four years of Biden and through having a voice through the success of the Charlie Kirks of this world, the success of Tucker Carlson, the success of Russell Brand, and the voices of the Tulsi Gavits and the RFK Juniors, people who crossed the aisle and said, wait a minute, you know, I wasn't ever a conservative, but I'm not a lunatic, right?
00:13:50.000If you follow God, you've got to go to the other side of the aisle?
00:13:53.000And that's what you saw in the 2024 election.
00:13:56.000But now with the rise of citizen journalism, this is the one thing that I would say to you.
00:14:00.000And I would ask, this is probably the most important thing for me right now.
00:14:04.000I am an old school journalist in the sense that I believe in principles of journalism.
00:14:10.000And I believe that without principles, every time you create a space, these people, this darkness will fill that space.
00:14:20.000And so citizen journalism is hugely important, but it's kind of anchorless right now.
00:14:25.000They're not investing in beat journalism.
00:14:27.000They're not investing in other journalists because most citizen journalists are just struggling to survive.
00:14:32.000You know, I know every day is a daily struggle for me to survive.
00:14:35.000And I have, you know, every journalism award, almost every award in existence, I already have, and many of them multiple times.
00:14:41.000So I'm a known entity, and people have that sense of my history as a real journalist.
00:14:46.000But what if you're a young kid trying to make it today?
00:14:49.000You know, you can't send a young kid down to Aurora, Colorado, which has been taken over by Trenderago, one of the most violent cartels in the world, and ask them to go around the building asking people, are you a member of the cartel?
00:15:00.000And when everyone tells you no, Then you say, oh, well, it's not true.
00:15:08.000But all those people are lying to you.
00:15:09.000Because the moment you leave, the cartel is going to, quite frankly, murder their children in front of them and then bleed them out slowly, right?
00:15:17.000So this, you know, Russell, I never forget as a young journalist, Walking to my news editor's office or into a news editorial meeting and literally having the shit kicked out of me by all the others because I was young and idealistic and I didn't really know what real journalism was.
00:15:43.000And so we as journalists, if we are real journalists, Who's going to fix it?
00:15:47.000Who's going to make sure that what rises out of the ashes of legacy media is built on a foundation of principle?
00:15:54.000I wrote the Ten Commandments of Real Journalism.
00:15:56.000Somebody told me not to call it the Ten Commandments, but I didn't listen to them because principle, to me, principle comes directly from who we are as we were created by the Creator.
00:16:33.000Click the link right now before we disappear off YouTube.
00:16:35.000Before it's too late, get on over here with us.
00:16:38.000Tell me the Ten Commandments of Principled Journalism, Lara Logan, because this, I believe, is the future of journalism, that it has to come from some universal principles.
00:16:47.000It can't be derived from what they call rationalism, but it's plainly the expedience of the establishment and the system.
00:16:54.000Let's hear the Ten Commandments of Proper Journalism, because this is the kind of broadcasting, streaming, that we have to do.
00:19:06.000He's over the CDC, the NIH and the FDA. Get ready for a shake-up.
00:19:12.000RFK even posted the FDA's war on public health is about to end, calling out their suppression of treatments like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and essential vitamins.
00:19:21.000The timing couldn't be better to introduce the wellness company's Emergency kits.
00:20:03.000Order your kit now by heading to twc.health forward slash brand and use the code brand to save up to $40 off and they ship it to you for free.
00:20:47.000Excuse me, Lara, that one of the defining traits of globalism and corporatism has been the slaughter of God and the divine principle and the laying claim of the power to the power that that God once possessed.
00:21:03.000The ability to kill, the ability to control, the ability to censor, the ability to act like a God while claiming there isn't one.
00:21:41.000Technology, the technology that we use, is literally...
00:21:46.000Satan's way of mimicking the omnipotence of God.
00:21:50.000When you're talking about, yes, because the only thing actually in our world that is omnipotent is God itself.
00:21:58.000But once you have technology that is around you all the time, that's recording and monitoring everything you say, that's feeding that knowledge into databases where people prey upon it, right, and use it to exploit.
00:22:45.000So the how is we know reality because it sits in the pit of your stomach, because you are given a God-given instinct that guides you.
00:22:55.000That's how we know what is good and what is evil, what is right and what is wrong.
00:23:00.000I can go into a hotel in New York City and I can sit there and talk to the overnight cleaner who may have come from across the world from some unsophisticated village in some unsophisticated third world country.
00:23:13.000And they can tell me the difference between right and wrong.
00:23:17.000But I can go and sit with the most educated people in the United States of America who've graduated with how many degrees from the best universities and they can spin themselves into an alternative reality that is completely and utterly separated From what is true and what is honest, and they justify it a million ways, and they look down on everybody else.
00:24:01.000And he spent many years underground training to infiltrate the global cult.
00:24:06.000And when I ask him the kind of questions that you're asking, and I ask some simpler questions, like, tell me, explain this violence against children to me.
00:24:24.000And he said, because if you're trying to understand the mindset of the people who are implementing this, who are using technology for these reasons, who are pushing this ideology, you know, that is whether it's trans ideology or whatever it happens to be, they are not concerned with you or me.
00:24:55.000Every single thing they do is about God.
00:24:59.000It is about inflicting pain and suffering and victory over God because that is how they are rewarded.
00:25:05.000In their world, that's how they are recognized.
00:25:09.000While we wander further and further and further away from our Creator, whether it's believing that nature can exist, that the beauty and spirituality of life exists in nature, independent from God or any kind of Creator, it doesn't matter, you can find a million examples.
00:25:25.000For them, they know it's all about God.
00:25:29.000All the things that you describe that separate us from our Creator, all the things that make us feel lost, our children, they don't know what is a gender role.
00:25:39.000Oh no, you can't say a gender role because that's bad.
00:26:16.000It's isolating us further and further and further.
00:26:19.000Those feedback loops in the information space, those social cues that now are completely, they're in disarray and you go on and on and on.
00:26:27.000The punishment system that's been put in place If you transgress, if maybe you say something you shouldn't or believe something you shouldn't or, God forbid, do something you shouldn't, that they've deemed shouldn't be done, all of this is to separate us from who we are.
00:26:40.000Because when we know who we are, when we're centered in who we are and what we stand for and what we believe in, we are never closer in that moment to God.
00:26:53.000And what they want to separate you from They want to separate you from that identity.
00:26:57.000So this is why, you know, Tucker Carlson did a great interview with Hunter Biden's psychiatrist.
00:27:02.000And I'll never forget that he said in that interview that they have created a mass delusion.
00:27:09.000And we're all being ordered to participate.
00:27:42.000Men can give birth and menstruate and can chest feed as opposed to breastfeed.
00:27:46.000Well, when you go to the darker realm of that, Russell, if you go into the darker realm on the dark web and you go beyond what we see on the surface in our society, you will now find images, and I know this through the counter-trafficking work that I do and the people I work with, you will now find images of toddlers who are pregnant.
00:28:07.000Because this ideology is completely and utterly hedonistic and dark and evil and satanic.
00:28:37.000The people that sit at Ericsson and the tech companies, the people who host the service that store all of this pornography, that store what they call sadistic pornography, which has a name now, called Hurtcore.
00:28:51.000The tech companies that know all the lines and the towers where this information that is data, it travels along those undersea cables.
00:29:01.000It is stored by people who own government contracts, who move information and use it to control all of us, to manipulate our behavior, to get the electoral and political outcomes that they want, but also to get us to move further and further and further away Why?
00:29:23.000To separate us from our Creator, because in separating and distancing us, they cause pain to God.
00:29:29.000When we use our free will to choose darkness over light and to choose Satan over God, that is a victory for them.
00:29:37.000And in their world, they rise and rise and rise.
00:29:40.000And nothing causes God more pain than the victory that they can have over hurting God.
00:30:16.000Amazing how darkly occultist this conversation has become so quickly and I recognise that one of the odd phenomena of the last few years has been the repression of information about child trafficking.
00:30:39.000But before you got into that very particular, very lurid and obviously very disturbing subject, you were speaking in More general terms about the nature of the conflict that's taking place currently.
00:31:24.000There's some things that I can really tether to more palatable arguments than the very difficult, vivid and disturbing ideas around child abuse.
00:31:36.000And these are things I heard about a long time ago.
00:31:39.000I was reading that kind of stuff when I was taking acid as a teenager.
00:31:43.000I was learning about occultist organisations and Illuminati and Bilderberg Group and how sets of economic interests appeared to intersect With occultism, that sort of stuff prior to the sort of modern immersive internet was available if you were a counterculture person.
00:32:01.000If you're a person like me that probably lived in big cities and smoked weed and was likely a drug addict and knew that you didn't belong in the main culture, you'd sort of get access to that kind of stuff.
00:32:12.000Increasingly, it's been derided and ridiculed.
00:32:15.000And it's interesting to hear someone with your journalistic credentials speaking about it seriously and with authority.
00:32:22.000What I want to talk about is how I find listening to you and talking to you inspiring because I find even working in these spaces to be a kind of drain.
00:32:33.000It's a drain to continue to generate content.
00:32:35.000I'm very lucky that I've got the kind of deal that I have with Rumble where I'm supported and when there was a pretty cohesive, assertive attempt to cancel me, Rumble were really bold and really stood up for me, right?
00:32:50.000But it's still difficult to make this much content continually, to feel like, well not to feel like, to know that I'm under attack and to see the ways that I've been attacked, the allegations, the accusations that have been made, and that the people that would make those allegations and accusations are and that the people that would make those allegations and accusations are not directly themselves part of The Illuminati.
00:33:12.000Whether you're talking about the journalists that have been involved in conducting investigations.
00:33:17.000Maybe even the online groups like Logically and Crisp that have participated in controlling and repressing information.
00:33:24.000Maybe even the whole sets of trusted news initiatives, journalistic and news organisations that parroted and printed stories.
00:33:32.000the various institutions, legal and law enforcement, that have in various ways participated in a project that I've got no choice to take personally, because it's personally about me, that it meshes onto, webs onto, and is connected to a very powerful idea when and is connected to a very powerful idea when it comes to a fight, not an argument, a war between good and evil, in which I, like loads of people, have just been inadvertently caught up in, because I was a person with a social media presence,
00:34:00.000because I was a person with a social media presence and a particular political perspective, generally one of independence, mistrust of authority, a willingness to criticise power, whether that's state power, corporate, commercial power, in all of its forms, but most obviously the power commercial power, in all of its forms, but most obviously the power of big pharma that was exposed during the pandemic period and the power of the military-industrial complex that comes to the forefront during any war or
00:34:30.000And I mention those because they're sort of rational, observable methods.
00:34:34.000Measurable and obvious and easy to corroborate and are being corroborated by journalists like you or Whitney Webb or a bunch of others to various degrees on the left and on the right.
00:34:46.000But what's not spoken about so often is this idea that globalism is by its nature, and this is where things get sort of, I would say, edgy today, Somewhat satanic.
00:34:58.000And I can unpack that in a rational way.
00:35:02.000Because what is at its essence taking God's power, the power of some transcendent yet imminent force, some triune God that is by its nature relational and loving, Extracting that power and that purview and giving it to either political, corporate or bureaucratic entities.
00:35:23.000That in itself is literally a Luciferian project.
00:35:28.000Because what is the nature of Lucifer?
00:35:36.000I live outside of your domain and I have my own kingdom and I will bleach out your true light with my false light.
00:35:44.000I was struck recently in a conversation with Tucker Carlson, as a matter of fact, when reading Orwell, who I'm assuming was probably an atheist, by the power of this moment and this image.
00:35:57.000The passage prior to Orwell's famous maxim that if you want an image of humanity's future, picture a boot stamping on a human face forever, I was struck by whose image are we made in?
00:36:11.000Whose image is the boot of authoritarianism stamping on?
00:36:16.000What is being described in that image?
00:36:19.000The annihilation and the destruction of God is what's required for state power to take away God's power.
00:36:28.000Now, I just want to mention that emerging out of the Romantic literary tradition in my country, most obviously and notably the novel Frankenstein by the British writer Mary Shelley, was the problems, the moral, ethical and spiritual problems that emerge when man moves into, mankind moves into God's domain.
00:36:50.000If you start to mess with life and death and life and birth and the sort of basic fundamental rules of reality that are notably, who is the one person that's meant to bring the dead back to life?
00:37:32.000And resurrect and at what stage and under what conditions?
00:37:36.000Who can decide what can be said and what can't be said?
00:37:39.000Now, if you sort of step back to a kind of somewhat cosmic or at least, you know, 200 foot high perspective, it's clear that what's happening is the state in alignment with concealed corporate and indeed bureaucratic interests are taking that power.
00:37:56.000And the way that we're participating in that is by sort of Foolishly entering into this pact believing that what we're doing is supporting people's rights and protecting vulnerable people and standing up against corruption.
00:38:10.000I actually believe that people that are committed to woke ideology are well-intentioned.
00:38:17.000I even believe that many of the people that have attacked me are well-intentioned.
00:38:21.000They don't know, forgive them, they know not what they do, that what they're doing is the devil's work.
00:38:28.000Killing God and replacing God with Luciferian power.
00:38:33.000And if we don't learn how to have that conversation, to recognize that this goes beyond, as you've just explained brilliantly, goes beyond who gets to decide what wars to start because then you get access to these minerals or this territory.
00:38:45.000Who gets to decide what crises to deploy and how to respond to that crisis in order to augur citizen management?
00:38:55.000This goes beyond that significant and serious set of arguments and into the motivations, which it seems do include things like you've described, occultism, child murder, sex magic, weird stuff that feels like someone coming out of the civil rights and cultural revolutions weird stuff that feels like someone coming out of the civil rights and cultural revolutions of the 50s and 60s doesn't even But isn't that part of its genius?
00:39:21.000That once you've extracted God and divine principles, that the squabble is itself somehow dislocated into...
00:39:29.000Talking about civil rights and social justice rather than where civil rights and social justice come from and how you can even conceptualize civil rights, the rights of civilians and humans, and justice.
00:39:53.000So, I'm really grateful to you, because when I was listening to you, I was like, this is a person that's having the conversation I'm having.
00:39:59.000How do you move between all this weird hypocrisy and corruption and globalism, and why am I getting accused of these things, and then into occultism and Jesus Christ and God and the devil?
00:40:12.000And, you know, it's not an easy conversation to have, and I don't get to have it very often, so thanks!
00:40:18.000So, Russell, it really comes down to this one word, if you think about it, what you're describing, deception, right?
00:40:25.000Because if you've read the Bible, anybody who's read the Bible knows, when the devil comes to you, he doesn't come to you as his true self with all his ugliness, right?
00:40:36.000He comes to you as something attractive or something impressive or something exactly like you're describing, right?
00:40:45.000How do we know that good is stronger than evil?
00:40:47.000Because look at all these people that when you come to them and you say, shouldn't we have a system of government or economics where nobody suffers, where people don't starve, where everyone has access to education and to healthcare and so on and so on.
00:41:03.000The good in us speaks up and we say yes.
00:41:06.000Yes, that sounds like a great system, but imagine if Hugo Chavez of Venezuela came to his people and he said, he didn't say, we're going to take the wealth of this country and we're going to give it back to you and we're going to make life better for everyone.
00:41:42.000So when I look at it, when people come to you and they say, a headmistress or a therapist or somebody comes to a parent and they say, your child has gender dysphoria, and this is the solution.
00:41:54.000They don't tell you chemical castration or gender mutilation is going to mess up your child for life, suicide rates are going to go up.
00:42:06.000When they tell you globalization is going to make everybody, you know, give us access to goods, it's going to lift people up all over the world.
00:42:16.000So anytime you want to identify what you're talking about, if you can find the presence of deception, you really have the presence of Satan.
00:43:51.000Because they open you up to other spirits, right?
00:43:53.000Things that are not from God, things that come from somewhere else.
00:43:57.000And so when you say, how can we have a conversation and fix these things if we don't come back to what this is really about, is that when we as a society, when we try to make policy and we separate ourselves from God, we are separating ourselves from the very thing that defines what is good in us and in our world.
00:44:20.000So it's like when somebody comes to you and say you have a friend, say you have a friend who's having a midlife crisis or they're having PTSD or trauma, but they don't believe in God and they don't have any family.
00:45:10.000Because I have been living God's purpose since the day I was born.
00:45:14.000Because Even before I knew that I was living God's purpose, I knew what my purpose was.
00:45:22.000And then over time, as life progressed, why did I survive being gang raped and sodomized and beaten almost to death by a mob of more than 200 men when I was reporting for 60 Minutes in Egypt, in Tahrir Square?
00:45:39.000Why did I survive the war in Afghanistan on my own as a young journalist?
00:45:46.000Why did God put angels on my shoulder and guide me?
00:45:49.000Why was I there when the Taliban owned more than 90% of the ground in Afghanistan and women were being executed publicly in stadiums for just showing a tiny bit of flesh?
00:45:59.000And I was living with Afghan soldiers, living with Afghan soldiers on the front line.
00:46:41.000Growing up in South Africa, how could I see kids on the street?
00:46:45.000You know, how could I see them suffer and starve and never know love?
00:46:49.000How could there be a God if this could be happening?
00:46:51.000And what I realized as I grew older and God stripped me of The big salary and the fame and the fortune and all of those things.
00:47:01.000He stripped those things away from me so that I could just be free to just do what I was born to do, which is to be honest, no matter what, not beholden to any special interests, not beholden to any political interests, not beholden to anything or anyone except the truth, which comes from who?
00:48:05.000So that was when I stepped back from it and I realized that my tears, because my mother actually, she used to say to me as a young girl, the problem with you, my girl, is you've got your bladder behind your bloody eyeballs, okay?
00:48:18.000Because I had such a soft heart and it would break me to see suffering.
00:48:23.000And I learned that that pain that I felt that was separating me from God was really a fraction.
00:48:34.000A fraction of his pain at the evil that we do on earth.
00:48:38.000And then when you realize and you learn how to let go, but you realize that the Word of God is the instruction manual.
00:48:45.000It's the instruction manual for us in our lives.
00:48:48.000It's the instruction manual for government.
00:48:50.000It's the instruction manual for how we as society are meant to function because it keeps us close to the principles and the truth and those things All come from God.
00:49:01.000So when you begin to separate a society from God, so I grew up believing the church has done, people have done terrible things in the name of God, the church has done evil, the this, the that, the pedophiles, and you start this in South Africa, it was justifying racism through the church.
00:49:16.000Well, I don't want to be any part of that.
00:49:20.000This is separating us, coming to us in the guise of something that is good, But separating us from the real good, from the true good that is within us.
00:49:31.000And it's within us we are born with it because we are born in the image of God, as you just said.
00:49:40.000If you turn to yourself, understanding the difference between working to the good of God, because we are a works-based faith when we believe, working to the good of God, but also recognizing what is beyond us.
00:49:54.000So I never get depressed Or bogged down when I'm overwhelmed by the scale of something happening around me.
00:50:01.000Because I know that's God saying, you've done your part.
00:50:31.000So that when you say, well, some of these people attacking me, they may have good conditions, may have good intentions.
00:50:37.000Well, the devil has set the conditions for them to to believe that and to take the actions that they do.
00:50:43.000But we are past that point now where they get a free pass because it is well documented, for example, that there are more than 300,000 unaccompanied minors who've come to the United States without anyone And they are missing.
00:50:59.000So now is when you have to say to yourself, okay, am I going to just go to sleep every night and wake up every day and I'm going to be a person that says, well, you know, kids go missing.
00:51:14.000You have to decide because the only thing that matters is when you stand before God and he says, once you knew, what did you do?
00:51:23.000I do get bogged down in overwhelming situations.
00:51:28.000I do still have in me a kind of reverence for self.
00:51:34.000It has changed radically and improved since being baptised and I now have the facility of the Holy Spirit and have the present relationship with Him that enables me to abide and obey.
00:51:53.000What I suffer from, Lara, is what you just described there with the devil's ability to set conditions is I feel the kind of...
00:52:10.000Before hearing you use these terms, is that I feel myself getting pulled back into only caring about how I'm affected by things and what it's going to do to me and my fear.
00:52:33.000It's odd that really what is being demanded of us, you know, the material world, the rational world is demanding that you become devout as well.
00:52:42.000And to such a degree that actually when you talk about, when you sort of for a moment there, you took about your childhood and you listed some of the traumas you've encountered, which appeared to include gang rape, as well as exposure to violence and other people's deaths and a lot of trauma.
00:53:02.000listen to let alone obviously endure when people talk like that in the nature of the spirit i can almost feel a sort of a disjunct and a kind of pushing away of like no that can't be true that can't be true it cannot be it's too it's too much and then you know and even when you relate it to the child trafficking it feels like no i can't take that on board it's
00:53:27.000It's like, you know, when you're overwhelmed with self, self-centeredness, it's such an overwhelming and demanding religion.
00:53:33.000And its cathedral is everywhere because you carry it in your pocket.
00:54:17.000Without him, nothing was made that has been made.
00:54:21.000In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
00:54:26.000The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
00:54:33.000What strikes me about this opening verses of John is how we're invited to transcend, of course, our understanding of reality, space and time.
00:54:45.000We're invited to accept that Jesus Christ was present at the creation.
00:54:50.000And there's some Old Testament, you know, some people would object to the word evolution.
00:54:55.000Evidence, but there's certainly corollary in the use of the plural in the Garden of Eden.
00:55:05.000And we mentioned before the triune nature of the Christian God.
00:55:11.000One God, three persons, ice, water, vapour, all H2O. And I mentioned this in conjunction too with what you said a minute ago.
00:55:22.000About socialism and about something that I recently learned a lot from revisiting Orwell and a lot from reading a Christian apologist called Joseph Boot about how totalitarianism can flow forth not just from 20th century forms of dictatorship But this new technological feudalism that seems to have been born of social democracy,
00:55:48.000that most liberal of ideologies that claims to be about the freedom of the individual.
00:55:57.000It appears to mean a kind of freedom to be absolutely exploited and totally controlled.
00:56:03.000Now, like, it's clear to me that the solution personally, and I guess I'm not qualified to go beyond that claim, is...
00:56:11.000Christ is nothing less than God, the creator of all reality, came into our reality to experience the limitations while simultaneously experiencing the limitlessness of God and died for our sins in order, as best as I can...
00:56:34.000Conjure up using the English language.
00:56:37.000Create a new frequency through the covenant of blood that allowed an essential beingness that was impossible before to be now, which we might theologically know as the Holy Spirit or our personal relationship with Christ.
00:56:55.000And if we were to try to understand it using perhaps quantum language, a sort of Super state of potentiality where we, through the free will that you mentioned earlier, can become living conduits for God,
00:57:11.000or as it would say in Jeremiah, the living water, the living stream, that we must resist breaking down into systems, solipsistic, self-contained, self-centred systems of personhood and allow to be part of an ongoing flow.
00:57:29.000Maybe if the Pentecost has one clear image in it, it is the reigning of the holy fire, it is the waking of lingual magnificence and luminosity that comes when we are able to become conduits of his grace and greatness and engender and evoke His power through language,
00:57:50.000resuming his power here through a new relationship, a relationship that might emulate the relationship of those three aspects of God in our relationships with one another.
00:58:03.000I recognize that that's not a question in this conventional sense.
00:58:11.000It's more of a set of statements based on scripture, but given that you're having to, like, at one point, what did you say during your last answer?
00:58:21.000You talked about Hugo Chavez, and you talked about, like, the...
00:58:27.000For a minute you said, well, what that done is it put 80% of the population below the poverty line.
00:58:32.000And in a sense, we are forced to have this conversation almost in economic terms.
00:58:37.000And I know a lot of people that are socialists and even Marxists that are, you know, like good people that believe that what socialism is...
00:58:55.000But when you try to do that materially and rationally with the distinct and definitive...
00:59:02.000Annihilation of the God principle, what you get is by its nature Luciferian.
00:59:07.000I never believed that I would say that.
00:59:08.000I never believed that I would look back at, you know, cultural moments like Woodstock and sort of agree with you that what it fundamentally was was a depositing of holy power in God.
00:59:22.000And one thing I do want to be careful of is It's like, you know, when talking about, like, the Cold War and the wars that came out of it and the culture that preceded it, how do you avoid, Lara, what we're discussing now, not becoming, not eliding into saying, the 1950s in America was great.
00:59:45.000Mum and dad were home with their two white children and their perfect lawn, and the Negro...
00:59:52.000You know, like, how do you, like, not equate what we're talking about of, like, a culture based on God's word?
01:00:00.000Because, like, you know, immediately prior to the cultural revolutions that come out of the Beats and the 60s, what most people would...
01:00:11.000Considered to have been American identity was a kind of heterodoxy that was quite, some might say, repressive, was about to become mass consumerism and the white goods era, the implementation of levels of manufacture and industrialization that I believe Marx was correct in.
01:00:31.000To identify as exploitative of human beings.
01:00:35.000The Henry Ford model of car construction being just one casual and colloquial example.
01:00:43.000Do we not have to be careful when we're saying that Chavez plundered a bunch of people below the poverty line to...
01:00:51.000To ensure that we acknowledge that free market capitalism, which I think a lot of people are that we might be becoming affiliated with, is not God, is not Jesus.
01:01:04.000There's two things that stand out to me as I listen to you, Russell.
01:01:07.000And one is that Marxism and communism, people don't really look at the history.
01:01:15.000If you look at the history of socialism and Karl Marx, who hired Karl Marx?
01:02:55.000And the simple truth is that people are usually good and bad, that we're flawed as human beings, and that those of us who are truly and utterly pure evil are rare.
01:03:40.000Because when you search for the whole truth, It reveals to you both the simplicity of truth and sometimes that things can be bigger than us and also can be complex at the same time.
01:03:53.000And people can be good and evil at the same time.
01:03:56.000So I don't ever shy away from understanding the truth.
01:04:08.000To be a better person and to be closer to God and to learn more and to understand more and to be better.
01:04:15.000Because one of the things that bothers me is my, you know, God says that our children, our responsibility as parents is that our children know God.
01:04:22.000And I think my children are growing up in a relatively godless society, not a godless world, but a godless society because they're surrounded By everything satanic, you know, from popular culture to Hollywood, to video games, to the social pressure.
01:04:38.000As you pointed out, you can't talk about these things without there being something on you that labels you as crazy, right?
01:04:44.000And so my job as a parent is to try and do better on all of those fronts.
01:04:49.000But what it comes down to for me is I have a very simple purpose.
01:04:54.000My purpose is to understand the whole truth and then my job, once I understand that, is to communicate it in a way that is memorable and that is understandable and that reaches people.
01:05:05.000And as long as I do that, when I crawl into bed at the end of a day, I'm exhausted.
01:05:10.000I give every single part of myself, every part of myself, I devote to this.
01:07:25.000I did a story once about a man who was falsely accused of murdering his wife, of beating her to pieces, pieces of her on the ceiling, and doing all of this in front of his young son, who was three years old, and he'd just survived open-heart surgery.
01:08:12.000And he described for me the very worst moment of that entire time that he was incarcerated was when first his son changed his name.
01:08:21.000And then when he got older, and he stopped visiting him, right?
01:08:25.000Sorry, he stopped visiting him first, then he changed his name finally when he got old enough.
01:08:29.000And this man spent 15 years, every day of his life in prison, planning, plotting, listing all the people he wanted to kill because they did this to him.
01:08:54.000He did all kinds of things, but he walked with God.
01:08:57.000And when I interviewed him for 60 Minutes, my son was three years old.
01:09:02.000And during that interview, the only time that Michael really broke Was when he described to me what it was like holding his three-year-old son.
01:09:12.000And the sheriff came to his door with a neighbor.
01:09:15.000And it had been his birthday the night before his wife was murdered.
01:09:19.000And he was mad at her because she didn't stay up and have sex with him.
01:09:23.000So he wrote over a nasty, you know, angry letter before he went to work.
01:09:27.000And that letter they used to convict him.
01:09:35.000And they tear his son out of his arms and give his child to the neighbor.
01:09:40.000And that boy would not be raised by either of his parents.
01:09:44.000His mother is dead and his father is behind bars now for 20 something years.
01:09:48.000And when Michael described that moment for me, it was painful because I knew I had a three-year-old son at home that I would happily give my life for, right?
01:09:57.000And so after Michael came out of prison, one of the things he did was fight to change the law because he was convicted by a corrupt prosecutor and they withheld exculpatory information.
01:10:07.000And in the United States, at that time, there was complete immunity for prosecutors from civil litigation and civil liability.
01:10:15.000And Michael changed that in the state of Texas.
01:10:18.000It's because of him we now have Morton's Law, which has gone to other states.
01:10:22.000But when Michael came to our home And spoke to people in a fireside chat about the book that he'd written.
01:10:29.000One of the things he said to those people was, he said that it is our job to be as grateful for our trials and our suffering and our, and the adversary in our lives as we are for our blessings.
01:10:44.000Like he said, I am glad that this happened to me.
01:10:47.000And I, I, you know, when he finished speaking, I talked to him, I said, Michael, I said, I know what this took from you.
01:10:55.000I know what you went through because we went through all of this for a long time when we were doing the 60-minute story.
01:11:00.000I said, how can you stand here and say that you're glad that this happened to you?
01:11:06.000And he said to me, because I would never be the person, I would never have become the person I am today if I had not gone that path.
01:12:49.000And they were one and two when I got cancer.
01:12:52.000And I am so grateful for those things because you realize that they're built into the fabric of who you become.
01:13:01.000And if you can be proud of who you become, Because you know that every single day that you get up, you do everything you can to be good and to live a good life and to make good decisions.
01:13:12.000And you give every ounce of strength that you have.
01:13:44.000Thank you, Lara Logan, for that powerful story and illustration of spiritual principles in practice and how they might be deployed in a variety of worldly roles without succumbing to worldliness and therefore the sets of values that increasingly it becomes clear actually underwrite them.
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