Stay Free - Russel Brand - Laura Loomer: The Most Banned Woman in the World

00:00:10.000 Russell Brandon.

00:00:11.000 Russell Russell Brand conspiracy theorists.

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00:00:29.000 We're talking to Laura Loomer today, and I think it will surprise you as a conversation.

00:00:34.000 Because you might know her as a kind of agitator, a right wing figure, outspoken, saying things that seem like a little incendiary and difficult to take on.

00:00:41.000 And there's no doubt that she's a person that has a great deal of intensity.

00:00:45.000 But during my uh 90-minute conversation with her, I began to send a sort of deep compassion and yearning for peace in Laura Loomer.

00:00:53.000 And it's good when I discussed you'll like this bit, I reckon, when she talks about Bill Maher, who she's suing for 150 million for claiming that she's having an affair with President Trump, with whom she is uh a close affiliate.

00:01:05.000 It's a good conversation.

00:01:06.000 I think you'll like it.

00:01:07.000 Loads of you will be well into what she says and agree with her and you'll be familiar with her.

00:01:11.000 And it's certainly a good conversation in general about free speech and I don't know, the kind of fractures and fissures that are taking place throughout our culture.

00:01:17.000 So please stay with us.

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00:01:30.000 Here's the conversation with Laura Lohmer.

00:01:34.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:01:36.000 Thanks for having me.

00:01:38.000 Yeah, we're neighbors, it turns out, you and me, huh?

00:01:41.000 Yeah, I uh I had no idea, but we're gonna have to hang out one of these days.

00:01:45.000 It's not gonna be trouble.

00:01:46.000 I mean, if we meet halfway, it's like a 30-minute drive for each of us.

00:01:50.000 We could go out, we could make some content together.

00:01:52.000 First of all, let's use this to establish yeah, we can easily, me and you.

00:01:56.000 Let's work out the areas where we agree with one another and the areas where we disagree with each other.

00:02:02.000 I became excited by the Trump administration because it became clear to me that it was a populist moment where Americans who had been abnegated, ignored, vilified for too long, had a sort of a champion who was going to confront the very things that they were concerned about, a kind of anti-elitist true populist figure.

00:02:21.000 And I don't think populism should be regarded as a dirty word.

00:02:26.000 Many of my sort of political beliefs, Laura, for what it's worth, go beyond the a faith in a particular party or tribe.

00:02:35.000 But I have such sort of suspicion and cynicism about institutional politics that I think other than Jesus Christ, anyone put in a position of executive power in DC, anyone within the Senate or Congress is subject to a degree of corruption.

00:02:51.000 In fact, one of the moments from Bobby Kennedy's um financial Senate hearing yesterday that I thought was amazing was when Bernie Sanders went, We're we're all we all took money from Big Pharma.

00:03:02.000 We all talk money like some sort of mad, enraged gray orangutan.

00:03:07.000 So, like where where is it that you stand?

00:03:09.000 If I'm a person that saw Trump as a kind of necessary obstacle to advancing global imperialism and the kind of snobbery and condemnation of working people everywhere, what is it that what is it about Trump and uh the MAGA movement that you are enamored of, Laura?

00:03:28.000 Well, thanks for having me on.

00:03:29.000 And look, I've been supporting President Trump since day one.

00:03:32.000 I consider myself to be a day one Trump loyalist.

00:03:35.000 I was undercover in the Hillary Clinton campaign in uh 2016, working for Project Veritas, exposing her on hidden camera, exposing her uh campaign for things like voter fraud and incitement of political violence.

00:03:50.000 And I always just saw a champion for the everyday forgotten American in President Trump.

00:03:56.000 I love the fact that uh he's very brash and uh doesn't really seem to care about offending anybody.

00:04:04.000 I really have always wanted uh a leader in our country who wasn't going to tow the line and be politically correct or be guided by what is politically correct.

00:04:15.000 I never wanted to have a leader who is going to self-censor themselves or be dictated by the uniparty.

00:04:22.000 And you know, while I'm a registered Republican and I've always been a registered Republican, I was uh president of college Republicans growing up.

00:04:29.000 I've become very disillusioned by both political parties.

00:04:34.000 And I think that most people who voted for President Trump, who himself used to be a Democrat has donated to Democrats, and now, of course, is the uh the Republican president of the United States, are sick and tired of the Uniparty.

00:04:49.000 Because as you just pointed out perfectly, there really isn't right, uh, much of a line of demarcation or much of a difference between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party these days.

00:05:02.000 It's really just one big uniparty swamp, and you're either in the club or you're not.

00:05:07.000 And President Trump is obviously not in the club, which is why people on both sides of the aisle, especially uh Republicans have worked so vigorously uh against him, opposing him, trying to subvert him, trying to undermine his America first vision and his MAGA movement and just his overall um,

00:05:27.000 you know, political, political movement and ideas that he's been, you know, promoting, not just over the last 10 years in our country, Russell, but uh really throughout his entire adult life.

00:05:39.000 I mean, we've seen the archive videos of President Trump and his previous interviews uh from the time when he uh first entertained the idea of possibly running for president and all of his political commentary in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s, and then of course, you know, in the post-9-11 era, uh, President Trump has always really had his finger on the pulse of America and what makes our country tick.

00:06:03.000 How come you uh I want to get into because I think everyone's fascinated with your proximity to Trump and your uh apparent influence at the very heart of American political power, and that's certainly something I'd love to talk to you about if you're open to it.

00:06:18.000 But I was just struck them while listening to you, and because of our earlier conversation when we first came online by the fact that you're a person who seems like, at least when I'm looking at X or whatever, like you're getting a lot of spats and confrontations, but you seem pretty calm and relaxed.

00:06:32.000 What is it?

00:06:33.000 What what do you get into spats with people about?

00:06:36.000 I know you could ask me the same question, and maybe you will, but like for first of all, why is it that you seem to get into a lot of confrontations?

00:06:42.000 What's what's it about, Laura?

00:06:44.000 What what's driving it?

00:06:46.000 Well, I like calling out political corruption and I like exposing people who are betraying our country, people who are undermining the safety of the American people.

00:06:59.000 Um, I think that a lot of the times that I engage in confrontations with people online, it's usually political operatives or uh politicians or the staffers of politicians or media figures.

00:07:12.000 And it's for good reason.

00:07:13.000 I mean, these people are trying to destroy our country and they're trying to destroy the world.

00:07:18.000 Uh they are trying to deceive people into thinking that things that are true aren't really true, and they are undermining our national security and jeopardizing the safety of all of us, not just here in the United States, but all around the world.

00:07:32.000 Uh, I look at what's happening here in America and I look at what's happening in your home country in the UK, and you know, it's pretty it's pretty obvious that a lot of the problems in society are being exacerbated and uh further further worsened, Russell, uh, by our politicians and the elitists who think that, you know, they don't have to play by the same rules that they impose upon others.

00:07:56.000 And so I think it's really important to use your voice and your platform to call out corruption and to hold people accountable.

00:08:03.000 And I have a really large following.

00:08:05.000 I don't need to be posting, you know, photos of myself in a bikini or, you know, trying to appeal to people in some kind of, you know, sexual manner or get attention by posting photos of my food.

00:08:20.000 I mean, I I if I have a platform and I I have almost two million followers on X, I'm gonna use that platform.

00:08:25.000 I'm gonna use the fact that uh just like you, I have a show on Rumble to educate people, to speak the truth, uh, to illuminate the truth and to call out corruption and fraud, uh, waste abuse, and to be a voice for the for the voiceless.

00:08:41.000 And I think I speak for a lot of people.

00:08:43.000 There's a lot of people who don't really have the courage to pick fights with people in power.

00:08:48.000 There's a lot of people who would rather go to the dinner parties and they'd rather, you know, swish champagne and eat nasty rubber chicken at all of these galas.

00:08:58.000 I don't really care to go to the galas, go to the parties or socialize with these people.

00:09:04.000 I think that being feared is more important than being loved.

00:09:08.000 And if you're feared because you are uh pushing an agenda based off of righteous indignation, then you're doing something positive for society.

00:09:17.000 So I sleep pretty well at night.

00:09:20.000 Do you get scared though?

00:09:23.000 Because you said a minute ago about courage, and I feel like courage has to mean by definition a willingness to overcome and confront fear, not do things that might be regarded as brave from the outside by people that don't have the same constitution or disposition.

00:09:40.000 So me, I do get into and have been in sort of some pretty astonishing confrontations over the years.

00:09:46.000 Um, but I actually particularly before coming to Christ, felt felt like a lot of consternation and concern and like, you know, I don't know, unease and nervousness and like, oh God, like the ugliness of it, sometimes would get to me.

00:10:01.000 You know, feel any of that.

00:10:04.000 I mean, I definitely do feel it, but it's just part of the it's part of the fight.

00:10:09.000 I mean, I've been living in consternation and anguish and a lot of, you know, anxiety over the last 10 years of my life.

00:10:18.000 Uh, because I've been, just like President Trump, subjected to a lot of unfair attacks.

00:10:23.000 You've been subjected to attacks, you've been falsely accused of things, I've been falsely accused of things, you've been defamed, I've been defamed.

00:10:31.000 And it's not really easy being in the public eye.

00:10:33.000 And it's not easy having a platform and speaking truth to power because they target people.

00:10:38.000 People get politically prosecuted.

00:10:39.000 I mean, I'm sure there's a reason why you're living in the United States and not living in the UK, because you'd probably be jailed for half of the things you would you're currently saying or speaking about in your country.

00:10:49.000 And so just like you, I've been silenced, I've been debanked, I've been deplatformed.

00:10:55.000 Only until Elon Musk purchased Twitter.

00:10:58.000 Uh, I was banned on Twitter and Facebook, Instagram, every single social media site, unable to post on YouTube, uh, banned on Venmo, Cash App, GoFundMe, PayPal.

00:11:10.000 I mean, you name it, right?

00:11:11.000 Uber eats, Uber, Lyft.

00:11:13.000 And so was it fair?

00:11:16.000 Did I did I ask for it?

00:11:17.000 No, I was targeted and I was targeted, I was targeted unfairly for speaking out, and I was branded as something that I'm not.

00:11:25.000 And a lot of people have a misconception of who I am because, well, they read Wikipedia or they read the news headlines.

00:11:32.000 Oh, far right, this white supremacists, this, white nationalists, this conspiracy theorists, and honestly, I just want to be left alone.

00:11:40.000 Like I just like sitting in a dark room and doing my research all day and hanging out with my animals and you know, using my platform for something good.

00:11:48.000 I'm I'm none of those things that they've branded me, but unfortunately now I have to live with all of the uh negative negativity and um annoyances that come with 10 years of being branded by the most powerful companies in the world of something that I'm not.

00:12:05.000 So it's definitely annoying.

00:12:07.000 I definitely have a lot of death threats.

00:12:10.000 I um get a lot of hate mail.

00:12:13.000 It's definitely irritating being mentioned on the news every single day and not being invited on to actually speak for myself or defend myself, but it is what it is, right?

00:12:23.000 I mean, obviously I have a purpose, you have a purpose, we all have a purpose, and we have to decide what our purpose is and whether or not the negativity that comes with what we do is is worth or is outweighed by the positive, right?

00:12:40.000 Uh the positive outcomes, I think will ultimately and eventually outweigh the negative.

00:12:46.000 And if I have to suffer, and I have suffered over the last 10 years, uh, along with a lot of people who have been silenced, and that's that's what's gonna happen.

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00:13:37.000 You've experienced some pretty extensive deplatforming there.

00:13:40.000 That list was comprehensive.

00:13:42.000 And whilst I've been demonetized on various platforms, and of course, the sort of harshest thing that's happened for me is being accused of sex crimes and rape in the UK and I'm standing trial, in fact, for that next year.

00:13:56.000 That's certainly the most serious consequences that I think are connected to what I do publicly, certainly during the Me Team Me Too movement, for example, like no one said that my promiscuity or conduct around women was a problem.

00:14:14.000 Although, you know, as a Christian, I certainly look back on it with some considerable regret.

00:14:19.000 Even I've not um experienced that extent of de-banking and you know, like when like kind of I'm sure you cover the same kind of stories I do.

00:14:29.000 And in the UK right now, they're looking to introduce digital ID along with C B D Cs and Whitney Webb says that biometric data such as is used in digital ID and C B D C's, digital currencies, are in a sense designed to be used in harmony.

00:14:49.000 You in a way are like uh outlier then who has experienced what everyone could be subject to going forward, the ability to just switch off someone's transactional um capability.

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:04.000 And like it's pretty uh if it was happening like 10 years ago, I was just wondering what it was about.

00:15:09.000 And if you obviously view involving Project Veritas and the stuff against the Clinton campaign and the Steel dossier, I know that was real controversial, and no one suffered greater consequences for that than Julian Assange, citizen of Australia, prisoner of the UK for them 10 years, and I think sort of great hero of our time.

00:15:26.000 Uh I I wonder, um, could you tell me like just a couple of um defining examples of stuff you said that got you deplatformed and what you did when you found out how extensive it was, i.e.

00:15:38.000 not being able to use just pretty regular apps it got down to in the end.

00:15:43.000 And also I want to say that you're obviously playing into the identity a little bit, even though you said you don't post I'm not saying you know, that would be a different thing, food and you know, pictures that emphasize sexuality is sort of one thing and it's pretty normal currency in social media spaces, but you do got an alligator behind you there now recognize that's an emblem of Florida, but I feel like you're sort of making a comment about your persona and there's a megaphone on the other side.

00:16:10.000 So, to what degree do you embrace that identity?

00:16:13.000 And can you tell us what was it in particular that got you kicked off Facebook, what got you kicked off Twitter, and and did it really what you couldn't use Lyft and Uber.

00:16:21.000 I mean, that's pretty extreme.

00:16:22.000 And and do you see yourself as a kind of early outlier for the kind of controls that could be implemented everywhere?

00:16:27.000 I know that's a lot of questions, Laura's how I talk.

00:16:31.000 Yeah, I definitely view myself as a canary in the coal mine.

00:16:34.000 And I wrote a book about it called Loomered, How I Became the Most Banned Woman in the World, and that's an identity that is still true today, and I still embrace it.

00:16:42.000 I still am the most banned woman in the world.

00:16:45.000 I mean, I don't really know of many people who can say that they're still banned on all of those sites and you know, think God Elon Musk about Twitter.

00:16:53.000 I'm grateful every day because I was able to get my Twitter account back at least.

00:16:57.000 Uh, but aside from that, I'm still banned on holy sites.

00:17:01.000 I created an Instagram account when Zuckerberg went to the White House and met with President Trump because I wanted to see how you know serious he was about not censoring.

00:17:11.000 But my account in 2019 was like 500,000 followers.

00:17:14.000 And I think back, like, you know, two congressional campaigns and all of you know the work that I'm doing now, I'd probably have millions of followers on Instagram.

00:17:23.000 Uh had my account not been banned, or had I actually been reinstated, like Zuckerberg said he was going to do, but never did.

00:17:31.000 Um it's very difficult.

00:17:33.000 I was first banned from the rideshare apps in 2017 when I was living in New York because I reported on the fact that Uber hires a lot of Islamic terrorists, and they hire people who are not passing background checks.

00:17:49.000 They're hiring people who have a criminal background in many cases, and a lot of times, uh there, well, there have been many documented instances of Uber drivers who are Islamic raping women, Killing women, um, abusing women, kicking Jews out of their car, uh, just doing really horrific things.

00:18:07.000 And it's not just Muslims either.

00:18:08.000 There's examples of illegal aliens as well, working for Uber or working for a Lyft, working for Uber Eats, barging in upon delivering things, stabbing people, raping women, killing women.

00:18:20.000 I mean, you name it, right?

00:18:21.000 It's happened.

00:18:22.000 And in 2017, when I was living in New York, there was an ISIS terrorist attack.

00:18:28.000 And an ISIS terrorist who was driving for Uber used a truck and he drove into a bike lane and he killed about 10 people and injured 12.

00:18:38.000 And he got out of the car and started chanting his allegiance to ISIS.

00:18:41.000 Allahu Akbar this, Allah who acbar that, right?

00:18:44.000 Pretty much a daily occurrence of what people in the UK are now seeing too, thanks to mass Islamic immigration.

00:18:51.000 And, you know, I broke the story about the fact that this guy was an Uber driver.

00:18:57.000 And I started speaking out.

00:18:59.000 I started tweeting.

00:19:00.000 I wanted to be provocative, and I said, uh, well, I guess I'm going to be 30 minutes late to Bill De Blasio, who was then the mayor of New York City, his press conference about the ISIS terrorist attack, because it took me over 30 minutes to find a non-Islamic immigrant Uber Lyft or cab driver.

00:19:18.000 I think it's pretty fair.

00:19:20.000 I mean, look, for my understanding, Uber was almost shut down in the UK.

00:19:24.000 I'm just giving examples too, so that you can relate because this isn't just an issue that is unique to the United States of America.

00:19:30.000 Uh other countries have threatened to shut Uber down because of how many dangerous Islamic immigrant drivers that they have.

00:19:37.000 And as a woman and as a Jew and also as an American who had just witnessed dead bodies on the ground, because I was actually in New York City going to a Halloween event at the time that this attack happened, I saw the bodies on the ground covered in covered in um white cloth, right?

00:19:56.000 So it was very disturbing to see that and to just see uh myself be demonized for speaking truth to power about the fact that it is now unsafe to get in a car with an Islamic immigrant driver if you're taking ride share.

00:20:11.000 And I had had an incident that happened to me about a month prior to this ISIS terrorist attack in New York City.

00:20:17.000 I was in New York City and it was Rash Hashanah, and a friend of mine had requested an Uber and a man dressed in full Islamic garb picked us up.

00:20:25.000 And when he realized that I was Jewish, he started screaming obscenities at me and told me to get the F out of his car and literally threw us out of a moving Uber.

00:20:33.000 We reported it to Uber and nothing was done about it.

00:20:36.000 And so, given my own personal experience by a Muslim driver, and then watching a Muslim Uber driver murder people and then get out of his car and pledge allegiance to ISIS, I felt totally in the right to call this out.

00:20:49.000 And mind you, this was 2017.

00:20:51.000 Now we're in 2025, and the issue of Islamification has only gotten worse.

00:20:56.000 And by the end of the day, Uber and Lyft had released a joint statement, and they had given it to all the mainstream media saying that uh Laura Loomer is now permanently banned on Luber on Uber and Lyft.

00:21:09.000 And then I was also banned on Uber Eats and unable to order food delivery.

00:21:13.000 So that's how extreme it was.

00:21:14.000 I wasn't even able to order a sandwich because I called out the fact that Uber isn't doing background checks and made a cheeky little tweet about it to bring more awareness to the fact that you know, if you get into an Uber with a Muslim driver or a cab or a lift, might be an ISIS terrorist.

00:21:32.000 Well, I understand like that uh me, I'm a advocate for free speech, and in a sense, I suppose what you might call a free speech absolutist, because I don't know who you anyone would grant authority to other than God to censor any human's right to free speech.

00:21:51.000 Sometimes when I look at the uh arguments and demagoguery that comes out of liberal and left-wing spaces, uh I have to recall that I was once, you know, when an acting in Hollywood, and even before that when I was a drug addict living in London, I was a kind of more inclined towards what you might call uh liberal left-wing analysis.

00:22:13.000 It bears little resemblance to what the left has become now.

00:22:17.000 But there are still sort of remnants and streams, I suppose, or themes that I think are worth us unpacking, even using this example here.

00:22:27.000 So I would like, you know, like if it was up to me, let feel like you should be a post whatever you want.

00:22:32.000 And I can totally uh recognize how that combination of your personal experience being abused and harassed in a car combined with a mass uh media event that they involved a murder would entitle you to make a remark or a joke online about like Muslim drivers.

00:22:52.000 But I'm also sympathetic to the idea that uh if you were a Muslim who's working in New York as an Uber driver, and you're like, I've come to this country because I want to make a living and make uh like my make my way in America.

00:23:07.000 And I I maintain that surely the majority, even though every so often there are surveys published, and I have conversations about this relatively frequently where people say, oh, 80% of Muslims say that they would vote for Sharia law or something that's used to sort of frame uh Muslims in general in an unfavorable light.

00:23:24.000 My personal focus falls on the power that Uber and Lyft have and technol and technology companies in general.

00:23:34.000 In one instance, they might favor superficially at least migrants, and in others, they may denigrate, but ultimately they're exploiting all of their drivers because they're not paying their drivers very well.

00:23:46.000 And the reason they're not conducting those background checks is for profit.

00:23:49.000 And as an English person, I'm aware of the impact on Uber and Lyft on the London black cab economy where cab drivers uh worked real hard to pass the knowledge, and it was one of the few ways where a working class man or woman could make a real good living in London was by becoming a cab driver.

00:24:05.000 Their profession has been undermined and decimated by Uber, and for a minute it looked like Uber were gonna get banned from London, not just because of the kind of incidents that you described, not particularly confined to Muslims, I stress, but you know, mm-hmm, obviously, generally men in general, abusing women or abusing people or whatever.

00:24:23.000 But like I feel sometimes, Laura, when we focus in particular on the individuals or even the even in the even cultural groups that are on the lower social ladders when it comes to a power and ability to influence that we um are not having the most important conversation.

00:24:43.000 The most important conversation for me is, oh, wait a minute, Facebook decided they were gonna just shut you down, the Uber decided they were just gonna shut you down.

00:24:50.000 I don't think they care about migration.

00:24:52.000 I don't think they care about trans people when they do all of the flags and BLM this.

00:24:57.000 I don't think they care.

00:24:58.000 Like in the same way in COVID, I don't think they cared whether old people died or vulnerable people died.

00:25:03.000 I think they cared about control.

00:25:04.000 I think they always care about control.

00:25:06.000 So are those of us that operate in these spaces at risk of uh inflating and amplifying arguments that ultimately facilitate their ongoing power by focusing on arguments that take place at the cultural level, even if it's a somewhat important issue, I recognize like migration.

00:25:24.000 And do you not think that ultimately groups like Uber, Alphabet, Google, Facebook, etc.

00:25:30.000 are more worthy targets of the ire of an obviously competent and capable agitator and journalist like yourself than a generalized migrant population who by definition don't really have any power, even if there's legitimacy to some of the claims that are made by people uh that focus on migration as an issue.

00:25:50.000 Well, I I would I would disagree and say that I think that the migrants have extreme power.

00:25:55.000 I mean, we're about to watch a Muslim communist become the mayor of New York City, and he hasn't even been a United States citizen longer than eight years.

00:26:03.000 I mean, he came here from Africa from Uganda, right?

00:26:06.000 And he doesn't even believe in the American way of life, and he's about to be the next mayor of the largest city in the United States of America.

00:26:14.000 So I would say that migrants, you know, illegals have enormous amounts of power.

00:26:19.000 We've seen how Democrats want to advocate for the rights of illegal aliens or advocate for illegal aliens to have access to things like health care and uh, you know, insurance, whatever it may be, food, water, you name it.

00:26:33.000 They advocate for the rights and the well-being of criminal illegal aliens and migrants more than the everyday hardworking Americans.

00:26:41.000 So I would say that uh the immigrant population, especially the illegal immigrant uh population is definitely worthy of our ire and condemnation and focus.

00:26:54.000 And look, it's hard in this day and age.

00:26:56.000 What am I supposed to do?

00:26:57.000 If am I just supposed to talk about the big tech giants and technocrats and the threat of technocracy.

00:27:04.000 These are the only platforms that really exist.

00:27:06.000 There's a monopoly, and this is the problem with the stranglehold that big tech has, not just here in the United States, but all around the world.

00:27:14.000 It's a monopoly.

00:27:15.000 There's not many uh social media platforms out there that you can use.

00:27:19.000 And my voice is significantly more amplified now that I have my Twitter account back than it was for the several years that I was permanently banned.

00:27:27.000 And so you don't really exist in the digital public square if you don't have access to social media.

00:27:33.000 And so, yes, I do think that the big tech social media companies are probably a lot more powerful.

00:27:39.000 They are definitely more powerful than the immigrants that we're talking about online and engaging in these arguments about.

00:27:45.000 But it doesn't matter whether or not you never talk about illegal immigration again.

00:27:49.000 If you post that you support Trump or you say that you oppose uh giving minor children transgender hormones, you name it, right?

00:27:58.000 They're always going to find something to shut you down for and silence you for if it goes against their narrative.

00:28:03.000 And so it doesn't matter how restrained you are or how polite you are or how much you self-censor yourself, they're always going to find an excuse to shut you down.

00:28:14.000 I mean, look at how many people were censored and probably died as a result of being silenced online by big tech during COVID.

00:28:20.000 You weren't even allowed to talk about Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or anything for that matter.

00:28:26.000 I mean, if you mentioned for uh in a single post, I'm not a doctor and I'm not telling you to do this, but I took ivermectin.

00:28:34.000 And after I took ivermectin, my COVID went away.

00:28:37.000 That was considered a bannable offense.

00:28:38.000 And you were permanently banned on Facebook and you were permanently demonetized on YouTube.

00:28:43.000 And it didn't matter how polite you were or how courteous you were with your clarification and your attribution to the so-called scientists.

00:28:53.000 You are just silenced because it's a matter of control.

00:28:56.000 They don't just care about your opinion on a manner they want to dictate whether or not you're even allowed to have a conversation about the subject, right?

00:29:04.000 This is why, in about what, four days from now in the UK, they're about to have a massive rally led by my friend Tommy Robinson, because they're fighting back against this war on free speech and they're fighting back against Islamification and they're fighting back against totalitarianism and technocracy.

00:29:22.000 And these are movements that are spurring up all around the world.

00:29:26.000 Populist movements, I would say largely inspired by the MAGA movement and largely inspired by uh the vision uh that President Trump has for our country.

00:29:36.000 But you know, you can only tell people what they can and can't save for so long before the masses just erupt and take it to the streets.

00:29:45.000 And I think we're about to see that happen in the UK.

00:29:48.000 We saw that happen on January 6th, where people were fed up with their elections being stolen and they peacefully stormed the United States Capitol, and they had a right to do so.

00:30:00.000 And as a result, they were viciously targeted and hunted down by law enforcement.

00:30:04.000 And that's the same thing that's happening in the UK, where people are being viciously hunted down by law enforcement, and all they're trying to do is stay free.

00:30:14.000 They just want to be free.

00:30:16.000 These people want to exercise their so-called freedom of speech that they were told they were entitled to.

00:30:23.000 Uh, they want to be able to walk down the street without being sexually harassed or threatened with violence by a foreigner who isn't supposed to be there or a foreigner who evaded our laws and you know, our policies to get a free ride in our own country, and they just want to make an honest living.

00:30:40.000 They want to be able to provide for their family and they want to be able to put food on the table for themselves and their children.

00:30:46.000 And it's becoming increasingly more difficult as a result of these, you know, these these forces in big tech and this mass migration, this invasion, not just here in the United States of America, but all throughout the Western world.

00:31:01.000 The upside down nature of what is right and what is wrong.

00:31:05.000 Morality has been really flipped upside itself, Russell, uh, where up is down, down is up, and you know, we've we've seen justifications by the radical left all over the world uh for the most inhumane and immoral activities uh justified for the sake of advancing the agenda of the left.

00:31:28.000 And so um, I would like to be able to focus on other issues, but I'm watching my country get destroyed.

00:31:35.000 I'm watching Western civilization get destroyed.

00:31:38.000 And I think it's worth fighting for.

00:31:40.000 It's why, you know, even now that I have my ex account back, I'm not going to back down and stop talking about these issues because it's a matter of not just self-preservation, but preserving Western civilization as a whole.

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00:32:09.000 With the example of Mam Dani and his presumed rise in success in the New York mayoral elections, I would see that more as a kind of reflexive, reflexive reaction to Trump rather than a kind of authentic embrace of cultural variety and diversity, even though of course New York is somewhat famed for inclusivity and cultural varieties.

00:32:37.000 I suppose any metropolis is to some degree or another.

00:32:40.000 And I think you um locating Mam Dani's identity in his um migrant status and the the that is somehow afforded him some privilege, like almost as a template is comparable to some of the claims that are made by anti-Semites about disproportionate representation of Jewish people in positions of financial or media power.

00:33:06.000 Like it's I would say to sort of say he's an immigrant and like he's in that position of power.

00:33:11.000 So that shows that people from migrant communities can't succeed or whatever.

00:33:15.000 And also he's from a pretty privileged background, as I understand Mam Dani.

00:33:19.000 And I also feel that in a way when you say that they can censor anything, and I agree with that, that they will censor you when you're talking about Ivermecky and they'll censor you if you're talking about migration, and you could probably chart what the uh the silhouette of their interests are by what you're banned from speaking about.

00:33:39.000 I know I sort of feel like they don't really care about the well-being of migrants and that the whatever's driving migration, it isn't compassion for economic migrants or asylum seekers or refugees.

00:33:51.000 It's something else, and it probably is closer to the benefits that are accrued from having access to low-paid labor and look at I think that's the reason we saw this in December when a ton of accounts got censored online, especially on X when they started speaking out about H1B visas.

00:34:10.000 And so, of course, uh, of course, big tech is going to censor anybody who is against immigration, right?

00:34:17.000 They rely on cheap labor and they rely on mass migration.

00:34:21.000 Over 78% of the workforce in Silicon Valley, Russell, are H1B visa workers from places like India and China.

00:34:29.000 And so it's counter to their interests.

00:34:33.000 And not only are these people mostly radical leftists who support open borders and they clearly have no regard for law and order, uh, but when you when you take into account that most of these big tech executives in Silicon Valley uh are hardcore Democrats and big time Democrat donors,

00:34:51.000 um, and then you combine that with the fact that they want to eliminate STEM in America and they want to eradicate uh the chances of any Americans being able to work in uh these fields, right?

00:35:03.000 Technology and science, uh, because they just think that they can have a uh a wider uh wider profit margin if they hire a bunch of Indians and Chinese who don't speak English and they're able to pay them seven dollars an hour instead of fifteen dollars an hour.

00:35:17.000 I mean, there's there's there's many factors at play here.

00:35:20.000 Not just the ideological goal of censorship, so that you can have a left-wing government and silence political dissent, but also the demographic shift.

00:35:31.000 And I know that uh over the last several weeks, Elon Musk, you know, coincidentally, I know he was very upset about the conversation relating to H1B visas and accuse some people of being racist back in December, myself included, when I started speaking out about this.

00:35:46.000 But you can't have your cake and eat it too.

00:35:49.000 Right.

00:35:49.000 I agree with his criticism of the demographic shift and the demographic replacement in places like the UK and all throughout Europe.

00:35:58.000 But if you're going to criticize Demographic shifts and you know replacement by migrants who are also conducting at the same time the rape of Europe, as we call it, then you have to also shift your hiring practices, in my opinion, because you don't get to complain.

00:36:16.000 In my personal opinion, uh you don't get to complain about mass migration and demographic shifts and the collapse of population and society while also importing a third world workforce.

00:36:27.000 I think that it's time for a lot of these executives who are now finding themselves integrating with MAGA, whether it be, you know, for legitimate pure reasons or uh or whether it's a facade and there's a nefarious underlying agenda, I think they also have to come clean with themselves about and I'm not necessarily speaking about Elon Musk.

00:36:49.000 I'm also just talking about companies like Google and Microsoft and others who for years have been perpetuating these problems that some of them are now claiming that they care so much about when they go and you know they have their fancy dinners at the White House with President Trump.

00:37:05.000 In a way, what that exposes to me is that the goals that ultimately drive these organizations are such rampant and I would say metastasised capitalist goals, i.e.

00:37:17.000 profit at all cost.

00:37:18.000 If profit at all cost is your goal, then of course import migrant labor or deport the labor itself and outsource the labor itself without any idea of a social contract between the nation in which you are selling your product or service and its population.

00:37:35.000 And indeed to seek some kind of regulation around that is like closer to what we would have once regarded as socialism than the kind of libertarianism or republicanism and mega republicanism that I'm sure you obviously generally support.

00:37:50.000 So I feel like we, in a way, Laura, have to recognize that there are these extraordinary tectonic shifts around ideologies now, like that the categories themselves are starting to collapse and the media space, the old media space in particular, can't accommodate it.

00:38:05.000 And their attempts to vilify these various uprisings, and thank you for pointing out the um forthcoming uh demonstration in the UK, I'm very interested in that and fascinated in it, and spoke to Tommy Robinson recently.

00:38:17.000 And again, with him, I sort of pertinently addressed my idea that if you are involved in advocacy for working people of the United States of America or the United Kingdom or France or anywhere, you have to at some point address that an assimilated population that is non-native is desirable and that you can't foreclose on that notion.

00:38:38.000 And probably the one aspect of, you know, I would never advocate for your ban there on uh lift and or any social media platform.

00:38:47.000 But I feel that when we casually group together anyone, whether it's you know, basket of deplorables or greedy Jews or Muslim terrorists, that's certainly something that has to be addressed.

00:39:01.000 Like that's something that we have to look towards.

00:39:03.000 But I think a bigger subject are how social democracies are tending towards tyranny, our social democracy itself, slowly through modalities, methods and agendas that normally emphasize convenience and safety are more and more taking at control.

00:39:20.000 And that in part the relationship between big tech and government is a significant space.

00:39:25.000 Elon Musk shows how big tech, as well as the natural flow of big tech-free information and social media independent journalism, it shows that this is a new war, a new frontier, an information war.

00:39:38.000 Twenty years ago, 30 years ago, this we wouldn't be having this kind of conversation.

00:39:42.000 You'd have to find a way of becoming a journalist.

00:39:44.000 I probably would have stayed in old school entertainment and at best been a controversial comedian.

00:39:49.000 And now we have access, direct access to audiences.

00:39:52.000 We can talk about whatever we want to, as long as we're not censored, surveilled or banned as a result of it.

00:39:57.000 And my focus, I think, Laura, is to see how we can find ways, in particular for people that have differing views on really important subjects, you know, the subjects that seem to define our space at the moment, uh, right versus left, such as it is, uh, sexual identity and progressivism versus traditionalism, Zionism versus Palestinian rights.

00:40:19.000 The and if people can come to some kind of easy truce here, there's not the ongoing requirement for centralized brokerage of massive institutions, whether they're government, big tech or corporate.

00:40:30.000 So I suppose that what I'm circling and what I'm saying is that do you feel that we might be able to through even the tone and nature of our conversations demonstrate that these technological tools that are currently being used for censorship and surveillance might better be utilized to create true decentralized democracies.

00:40:51.000 I'm not saying it'll be the end of a nation or the nation as a concept.

00:40:54.000 Rather, I'm saying that if it were possible to say there's no question that most people uh in countries like the UK and the United States are concerned about migration.

00:41:03.000 And if you're living in a democracy and the majority of people don't want migration and certainly undocumented migration, then you gotta do something about it.

00:41:11.000 Your uh one's personal opinions no longer matter if you truly care about referenda, their outcome and democracy itself.

00:41:18.000 What I'm sort of interested in is people like you and me, who are like sort of controversial people who have, you know, been censored and smeared and banned and attacked and you know, are we able to say, well, what is the problem really and what are the solutions that are likely to emerge?

00:41:38.000 Because the solutions can't be we annihilate our opponents, whether that's on the basis of their cultural or religious identity or some other criteria.

00:41:46.000 There's gonna how is it that you you know, like because you're making a living out of this, I'm making a living out of this, but I'm starting to feel like I don't want to participate in some ongoing fight unless that fight is leading to actual freedom.

00:41:58.000 And I wonder what you feel about that and what you feel like what we what we could change and how we could do it differently.

00:42:04.000 Uh, you know, because for you, if you're very close to Trump, you know, it must look like victory because you've gone from being not able to order a taxi in New York to being friends with the president.

00:42:14.000 That, you know, that's pretty crazy.

00:42:15.000 But like, how do you see this progressing?

00:42:17.000 He's only gonna be president for a couple more years, you know, like it's uh how do you hear sort of where I'm going with this long, long rant?

00:42:25.000 Yeah, no, I understand where you're coming from.

00:42:27.000 Look, I I think that there have been good faith efforts by people to resolve these issues peacefully.

00:42:35.000 Um, but we can't ignore realities about specific ideologies.

00:42:41.000 It would be nice for people to be able to have a conversation about, you know, Israel's right to exist and you know, the so-called issue of Palestinian rights, which in my opinion has been completely astroturfed and uh propagandized uh into a blood libel campaign against Israel and the Jewish people.

00:43:02.000 Um, but they're bad faith actors, and these people have shown countless times again, and we can we can take any category, right?

00:43:10.000 Whether it's the progressives versus the uh the traditionalists, whether it's the Israel-Palestine issue or you know, the transgender issue versus the parental rights crowd, people don't operate from a position of good faith.

00:43:24.000 And so I think that you do have to obliterate your enemies.

00:43:27.000 I mean, I don't think that we can allow for evil like the parents who believe it's okay to shoot their kids up with gender bender drugs that essentially castrate their young children to have a voice or a place in our society.

00:43:40.000 I think that people like that do deserve to be annihilated.

00:43:43.000 I'm not advocating for political violence.

00:43:45.000 I'm saying those ideologies should be annihilated because those are bad for humanity.

00:43:50.000 And I think that instead of having a conversation about, you know, oh, should this person be able to have a voice or should this person not be able to have a voice, we need to start thinking about, you know, whether or not you know these ideas are good for society.

00:44:07.000 And I think that's how you cure the censorship issue.

00:44:10.000 We're all adults, people get to decide themselves whether or not they want to subscribe to an idea or whether they want to reject an idea.

00:44:19.000 And that's really how society operated before big tech created social media.

00:44:23.000 Before the existence of social media, at least here in the United States, you got to decide as an individual whether or not you wanted to embrace an idea or you wanted to reject an idea or a philosophy.

00:44:35.000 But now, right, we we are seeing that big tech is deciding what you're allowed to embrace and what you're allowed to reject.

00:44:44.000 And that's why there's so much, in my opinion, uh, conflict and consternation in society.

00:44:50.000 I think that the internet is a massive problem.

00:44:52.000 I think that big tech is a massive problem, uh, because instead of allowing for uh people living in democracies where, You know, the standard of thinking had always has always been.

00:45:04.000 I mean, this was up until I think like the mid-2000s, Russell.

00:45:07.000 It had always been, well, you know, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all and go about your day.

00:45:14.000 Or I know it sounds kind of naive, but that's how I was raised, right?

00:45:17.000 Well, if you don't have anything nice to say, then you know, just don't say anything at all.

00:45:22.000 Or, well, there's gonna be people that that you don't agree with, or people who you don't like, and you're just gonna have to turn the other cheek and walk away because it's a free country and they have a right to say what they want to say.

00:45:32.000 And you know, you just have to tolerate living in a society with people who have different opinions.

00:45:36.000 But I think that social media has induced a form of psychosis into people because people are incapable, if you've noticed, of behaving in that adult manner, like you were just suggesting, right?

00:45:50.000 Oh, everybody has their opinion and we're gonna agree to disagree, and we're not going to be bashing each other's heads in with flagpoles or rocks or shooting people in the streets because we disagree with each other's viewpoints.

00:46:01.000 That's what's happening now in today's society.

00:46:04.000 But we really were a society about 20 years or so ago.

00:46:09.000 If you look at political movements in the UK and political movements here in the United States of America, that was able to kind of have more social decorum when, you know, having these disagreements, these political disagreements.

00:46:23.000 America has always had two opposing political parties.

00:46:26.000 There's always been people on the fringe.

00:46:28.000 There's always been people who have their concepts of a third party.

00:46:31.000 There's always been offensive people who hold protests and hold signs with offensive slogans.

00:46:36.000 But it really wasn't until these last 20 years, if you think about it, that people started engaging in acts of censorship and mass political violence uh to address their differences.

00:46:48.000 And I do think that the rise of social media and the access to uh the internet and the rise of big tech has and and the the concept of being anonymous, really, right?

00:47:02.000 I think that this goes goes without saying the concept of being anonymous has also done a lot of harm to our country because while people do have a right to have anonymity, this idea that you can just say whatever you want behind a screen with an anon account and not face any consequences has kind of created to the level of viciousness that people operate operate with in our society.

00:47:27.000 I don't know if you agree with that, but I don't think that before the time of the internet or before social media was created, that a lot of the comments people make online, they would be today, they'd be making face-to-face, right?

00:47:40.000 Because it takes a lot of courage to walk up to somebody and say something quite derogatory or offensive.

00:47:45.000 And it's very easy to just sit behind a keyboard and type it yourself.

00:47:49.000 And so um, you know, I don't I don't think that there's a way to tone it down anymore because we're moving towards a more technological society.

00:47:59.000 And so since big tech has determined that they are going to be deciding what is allowed and what isn't allowed through these terms of service, right?

00:48:07.000 These TOS agreements, I don't really think you can put the genie back in the bottle, especially now with the advancement of AI, we're becoming even more technological.

00:48:16.000 So I would say that the conflict between opposing groups is only going to increase.

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00:49:26.000 Yeah, and I think you're right that technology is the it inciting incident for most significant cultural change and that what we're observing is And conflicts and conflicts too.

00:49:40.000 And conflicts.

00:49:41.000 And I think that your point that anonymity exacerbates the intensity of the conflict is a valid one.

00:49:47.000 But I as you were offering that analysis, I was considering how what solution-oriented response I might give.

00:49:56.000 And it aligns very neatly with something I seldom cease considering in fact, which is that this technology might be utilized to implement further localized control with the majority of social issues.

00:50:15.000 What I mean by that is we're living too much online in these anonymized lives that we're not designed to live or evolve to live depending on your one's perspective.

00:50:24.000 And I feel that the technology, instead of being used for people just to let off vitriol and giddy invective, might be used for people to have some kind of geograph geographical grounding and some sense of community participation.

00:50:40.000 There have been experiments in like mostly in Latin America where people where communities, even you know, to the size of like, you know, boroughs, if not the size of states, have been given budgets and been and said, like here, you know, like you allocate these budgets, you run this community.

00:50:58.000 I think so many of the problems that we're talking around come from attempts to maintain and even increase in a conditions that are no longer legitimate, centralized control, whether that's at the level of a national government or a vast, unprecedentedly large conglomeration, like the kind of uh tech companies that we've described that really comprise a considerable number of enterprises bundled together, certainly in the examples alphabet, Facebook, Meta, et cetera.

00:51:29.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:51:30.000 And you're not you're not gonna have you're not going to have total decentralization without complete anarchy, because obviously all of these technological companies in big tech in Silicon Valley, they have executives.

00:51:42.000 So they can say that they're decentralized all they want, or they can say that they're aiming towards decentralization, but you read the fine print and you find out, well, there's always going to be rules to play by, right?

00:51:53.000 And if there's rules to play by, and there's people at the top of the totem pole who exercise those levers those levers of control.

00:52:01.000 Is there really is there really ever going to be true decentralization?

00:52:05.000 I think that a lot of these nefarious actors, and it's funny, I confronted Jack Dorsey about this at one of the Bitcoin conferences, and I called him the king of censorship and pointed out how ironic it was that uh he was having a conversation about decentralization at uh at the Bitcoin conference, and I was actually thrown out by security when I confronted him on stage.

00:52:25.000 Um I bring that up because there's a lot of people.

00:52:28.000 You confront him as I do mean to say that you of course, of course, but also I bet you did you go on that stage uninvited, is that what you're saying?

00:52:36.000 Yeah, but you know You're like a balls of steel.

00:52:39.000 Life's a lot more fun.

00:52:40.000 Life's a lot more fun when you don't play by the rules.

00:52:43.000 Yeah, you're intense, mate.

00:52:44.000 Like what like that.

00:52:46.000 I mean, I had I had a ticket, but again, I that was my opportunity.

00:52:49.000 You can't just not every day that I had a ticket.

00:52:52.000 I'm getting up on the stage.

00:52:53.000 You've said decentralization.

00:52:54.000 I think that's a good idea.

00:52:55.000 You have to speak truth to power.

00:52:57.000 You have to speak truth to power.

00:52:59.000 And I'm not a violent person.

00:53:01.000 Oh wow, you know, I I hopped on a stage or I pushed past a security barrier that I wasn't supposed to be in.

00:53:06.000 It's not like I pulled out a gun and shot him in the head.

00:53:08.000 You know, I I I used my voice and it was loud and it was disruptive.

00:53:13.000 But sometimes you have to be disruptive in order to cause change.

00:53:16.000 President Trump was a disruptive force to the Union Party in our country, and he was a disruptive force uh to the uh political uh powers that be in our country.

00:53:26.000 And I think that uh that disruption has led to greater change and greater uh benefit for the American people and also for people who support populist nationalist movements all around the world, right?

00:53:39.000 And he's therefore inspired copycats, you could say, candidates all around the world in other countries that try to mimic the MAGA campaign or the MAGA agenda in their own respective countries.

00:53:50.000 Um and I think that that is a that is a positive force for humanity.

00:53:55.000 So I know that some people would say, oh, that's intense, or oh, you know, you shouldn't behave that way.

00:54:00.000 Um, but every I'm not saying you shouldn't do it.

00:54:03.000 I like it that you did it.

00:54:04.000 I think it's interesting.

00:54:06.000 Some people have, and they said that, oh, you know, it was very inappropriate.

00:54:09.000 It was very inappropriate of you, Laura, to interrupt a congressional hearing when Jack Dorsey was testifying in front of Congress and to get escorted out by Capitolice.

00:54:18.000 You shouldn't have done that.

00:54:19.000 It was very inappropriate.

00:54:20.000 It's twice with Jack Dorsey now.

00:54:22.000 Bitcoin, what have you got against that guy?

00:54:24.000 He can't open his mouth without you jumping up troubling it.

00:54:28.000 Well, he let me he he deplatformed me.

00:54:30.000 He banned me for speaking truth about Ilhan Omar.

00:54:32.000 I was banned, I was permanently banned, and then he he told everybody that I'm a white supremacist, which I'm not.

00:54:37.000 So that being said, sometimes you have to make a scene to make a point.

00:54:42.000 And if you are being peaceful and you're not, you know, inciting any political violence or damaging anybody's property, I have no problem with people making a scene to make a point.

00:54:52.000 I think that's a good argument.

00:54:53.000 Fair enough, Laura.

00:54:54.000 I just want to say that we're not talking about um decentralization.

00:54:56.000 I don't think that whether they're um I don't know how their hierarchies and structures work over there at Metter Alphabet.

00:55:01.000 I couldn't know less about them.

00:55:02.000 They're extraordinarily opaque.

00:55:04.000 But I see them as the very opposite of decentralization in terms of their wider cultural impact, their monopolies and Goliaths, they're great Leviathans with incredible power and incredible control.

00:55:14.000 And they would have more to fear from decentralization and open sourcing and true liberty and sovereignty of the individual or even the community than anybody.

00:55:22.000 What I'm saying is that the technology that's currently used even for uh, say, Uber or um the Airbnb, you know, the aggregation of resources and the a miracle of communication that's now afforded by technology could similarly be deployed to create maximum democracy in a community.

00:55:39.000 People could decide how much they're going to be taxed, if if at all, how the community resources are spent, how what their policies are to that down to the smallest possible unit.

00:55:48.000 And I don't think that decentralization equates anarchy.

00:55:51.000 I think there's a constant tension between uh convenience and safety and freedom.

00:55:56.000 And that and mostly what we're experiencing, these social democracies that you and I certainly agree have become the tyrannical, generally use the ideas of convenience and safety to legitimize further and further control.

00:56:10.000 Either these new ideas will be convenient or these new vaccines will offer safety, or these lockdowns will offer safety, or we have to censor this information because the information is incendiary and inflammatory and you're not an adult and you can't decide for yourself whether someone's a white supremacist and ignore it.

00:56:24.000 They're continually legitimizing their authority and control in a variety of ways, and they'll get more and more extreme if their initial efforts and attempts are not successful, they find incredible and brilliant and do terrifying ways of doubling down.

00:56:36.000 Now, earlier in our conversation, you cite uh uh I'm presuming knowingly Machiavelli's edict that it's better to be feared than loved.

00:56:45.000 And I feel that perhaps on that premise and and proceeding from it, we might encounter challenges because without this kind of a good faith and love-based community, I I'm not saying that, you know, like some airy-fairy, giddy little world where people naively blunder into one another, not aware that there are shadows and that there is darkness.

00:57:04.000 I'm very well aware of shadows and darkness and danger, believe me.

00:57:08.000 But what I'm saying is is that if we don't proceed on the basis of love, that we're unlikely to conjure much of any real value.

00:57:15.000 And I suppose that what I'm advocating for when I find myself in conversations with people that are very effective in media spaces, particularly when it comes to sort of populist rhetoric, I'm trying to carry water for the things about E.G. socialism or the left or liberalism that I consider to have some value before liberalism and socialism turned into tools for despotism, authoritarianism, and control.

00:57:39.000 And some of those ideas are sort of, you know, I suppose open-heartedness and kind of, you know, and those are the kind of ideas that I've sort of pretty keen to advocate for.

00:57:47.000 But I've only got you for a few more minutes, and I wanted to ask you like some of the more hopefully not gossipy, but a bit more intimate stuff about uh Trump's.

00:57:55.000 Before we go on to that, before we go into that section, I will say I think that I think it's admirable that you want to be known as a loving person or a peaceful person or somebody who tries to bring peace or come from a position of compassion and love.

00:58:11.000 But we also need to be careful that we're not towing the line of suicidal empathy.

00:58:17.000 I think that the left has become so extreme in what they're willing to say is diversity or inclusivity or openness or compassion that it's now getting People killed.

00:58:31.000 And so if people want to be compassionate and they want to be nice and they want to be loving, that's great.

00:58:36.000 But ask yourself, are you being compassionate or are you exercising suicidal empathy?

00:58:42.000 And I think that the West, I think that the UK, and I also I also think that the United States of America is now experiencing the consequences of practicing suicidal empathy disguised under these premises of love and compassion and diversity and inclusion and you know all the other adjectives and buzzwords that they like to use to justify their um I would call it suicidal ideology.

00:59:08.000 I think it's suicidal.

00:59:10.000 And suicidal empathy would be, you know, a willing to sac a willingness to sacrifice yourself to the point of death.

00:59:16.000 And I think, you know, that's the highest thing a person could ever do.

00:59:19.000 But I don't believe that's what the left are guilty of.

00:59:21.000 I think they, and I think you would agree with me that what they're guilty of is using veils and signals of empathy to distract you from deep imperialist and institutional goals.

00:59:33.000 What the left fundamentally grew out of was communism and Marxism, and communism and Marxism are a response to mass industrialization and the inability of a labor force to have rights.

00:59:44.000 And that was a good idea.

00:59:46.000 But we don't live in that anymore.

00:59:48.000 Industrialization of the kind that Marxism was um instigated and designed for don't exist anymore.

00:59:55.000 And there was always a problem in Marxism, it's godlessness.

00:59:59.000 So what I feel is that when they abandoned the working class, as they did in my country under Blair significantly, and your country under Clinton, but tried to keep the merits of being the compassionate party and not the baddies, the conservatives or the Republicans, they elevated identity politics falsely in order to distract you from the fact that there was no point to them anymore.

01:00:23.000 There was no compassion.

01:00:24.000 Now, at the point when the the warmongers were your neohawks, your Rumsfelds and your Wolfwitzes and your Chenys and that kind of all that kind of gear, it was kind of exposed that there wasn't an alternative anymore.

01:00:36.000 There were no, there was no anti-war party.

01:00:39.000 There was no party that was standing up for ordinary Americans.

01:00:42.000 And like I reckon looking back, you know, Trump isn't a sort of an incredible individual that's making it a remarkable, whether you like him or not, imprint on history.

01:00:51.000 But earlier you sort of suggested that he was the catharsis of that moment rather than a somehow a kind of, you know, in all history, surely, Laura, there is a sort of a combination of the individuals' characteristics and traits and powers and the cultural conditions.

01:01:08.000 Take the most obvious example in history, Hitler.

01:01:11.000 Like Hitler couldn't have done that at any point in history.

01:01:14.000 There was a requirement for very particular economic, social, and geopolitical conditions for a figure like that and an ideology like that to rise.

01:01:21.000 And you could say the same about any significant political leader.

01:01:25.000 The culture, the time kind of demands them.

01:01:29.000 And the America demanded a figure like Trump because there was so much hypocrisy, so much bullshit that you needed someone that was kind of sort of plain, like in a kind of a vivid, lurid and almost sort of difficult to comprehend way at times.

01:01:45.000 But what I'm saying about the the suicidal empathy point, Laura, is I don't feel that that's what it is.

01:01:51.000 I think that's a mask.

01:01:52.000 I don't think they care about trans people.

01:01:54.000 I don't think they care about migrants.

01:01:55.000 I don't think they care about any of that stuff.

01:01:57.000 I think they find convenient people to cast to carry and advocate for those ideas while they get on with the business of centralizing authority and implementing control.

01:02:07.000 It's the followers.

01:02:08.000 I would agree that the people who are uh pushing this ideology probably don't uh actually care themselves.

01:02:15.000 But the innocent people, and I would say innocent, not all of them are innocent, but the people that are highly impressionable and they're just looking to fit in in society or they're looking for an outlet who they're able to conls or impressionable young children uh into buying into their agenda.

01:02:36.000 I think that a lot of those people do suffer from suicidal empathy.

01:02:39.000 I mean, there I saw just a perfect example, and I don't know anything about the girl, but the girl, for example, who was just um murdered on the train in in North Carolina.

01:02:49.000 I guess there's been a lot of people looking on social media for her social media accounts, and I'm not blaming her for what happened to her.

01:02:56.000 I think it's absolutely horrific that she was stabbed in the neck from behind by uh a career criminal.

01:03:02.000 Uh, but from my understanding from a post I saw online yesterday uh from her social media that somebody somebody posted it got several millions of views on on X, she had a she had a Black Lives Matter uh flyer poster on her wall in her bedroom.

01:03:17.000 And so that's the kind of suicidal empathy that I'm talking about, where you have these young, pretty white blonde girls who think that they're gonna come to America, Ukrainian refugee.

01:03:27.000 Maybe she thought that the left was more, you know, uh welcoming of her than the right that has really opposed sending more aid to Ukraine.

01:03:36.000 And maybe she got, and I'm not speaking for her, but I can only imagine maybe, right?

01:03:40.000 She got involved with left-wing causes here in the United States and thought, oh yeah, I'm going to support Black Lives Matter because that's what the people that support Ukraine believe in, right?

01:03:50.000 They support Black Lives Matter.

01:03:52.000 That's what the Democrats who want to keep sending billions of dollars to my home country of Ukraine believe in black lives matter.

01:03:57.000 And then you you condition a young girl to say black lives matters so much that she doesn't have situational awareness when she's sitting on a train and then she sits in front of a sketchy, drugged out black man and ends up getting stabbed in the jugular and bleeding to death all over the train.

01:04:16.000 I mean, that that is suicidal empathy.

01:04:18.000 That that is the definition of suicidal empathy.

01:04:21.000 And so, how many people, how many people on the left have held had their homes robbed by black criminals?

01:04:27.000 How many people have been carjacked and shot and killed by, you know, a black gangbanger?

01:04:33.000 How many people have been stabbed to death or fallen victim to, you know, a suicide bombing or uh a knife attack in the UK or Germany or France or here in the United States of America by a Muslim invader, right?

01:04:47.000 And you know, I guess I'd like to have conversations with a lot of these people to ask them the philosophy that got them to that point where they ended up dying at the hands of the people that they were advocating for.

01:05:00.000 But that is suicidal empathy.

01:05:02.000 Uh the young woman who advocates for Islamic immigration on Facebook and says everyone is welcome here, but then decides to get the genius idea of going backpacking in Kazakhstan and gets raped by Islamic terrorists and has her body chopped up in the mountains.

01:05:17.000 Real story, by the way, right?

01:05:18.000 Uh, or the young girl that has a Black Lives Matter poster on her wall in her bedroom and then gets stabbed to death by a black criminal on a train in North Carolina.

01:05:27.000 I mean, those are the people who have succumbed to suicidal empathy.

01:05:33.000 Or, you know, these are sort of retrospective narratives constructed from people that have, you know, shown some interest in Black Lives Matter and then have been inconveniently murdered on a train in inconveniently and maybe even tragically, Laura murdered on a train because right wing people get murdered too by all sorts of people now.

01:05:52.000 But you know, these examples are the very evocative and um visceral kind of examples.

01:05:57.000 And that's good.

01:05:58.000 That's just I mean a good way to communicate for landing a point.

01:06:01.000 But while you were listing the at least kind of sort of ghoulish and somewhat ironic deaths of like left wing folks, I was thinking everyone though, while some people might be victims to crimes from convenient demographic groups, everybody is tyrannized by the sets of powers that coalesce around big tech and state intersectionality.

01:06:26.000 At the point where the state and big business converge, there is a power and an ability to manipulate that is near ubiquitous.

01:06:34.000 And while it don't create examples as sort of deliciously ironic as, oh, look, she was campaigning for the rights of black people and then a black person murdered her.

01:06:44.000 It's sort of still a much more impactful and influential problem.

01:06:49.000 And even when you apply it to something that is more generalized, like in migration and migration from countries that default to Islam and the inability for assimilation and the high likelihood of unrest when mass migration is irresponsibly and illegally undertaken against the wishes of the indigenous population.

01:07:09.000 You and I've got no disagreement there.

01:07:11.000 That's still not as significant as whoever it is, what sets of institutions and powers facilitate that, report on it, benefit from it, frame it.

01:07:22.000 That's the for me, the focus.

01:07:24.000 Now, I'm not, I'm like when I was talking to Tommy Robinson the other day, I recognize that your fight, Laura Luma and Tommy Robinson's fight, And my fight sort of, we're all in kind of different fights, probably informed by the type of experiences we have.

01:07:35.000 I in particular have experienced being inside of media and super celebrated.

01:07:41.000 You don't realize at the time that you're probably playing a particular role and you're convenient in one way or another.

01:07:46.000 And then being outside of media and attacked.

01:07:49.000 So of course my focus is hey, how does media function?

01:07:53.000 How do they determine which people to prosecute, persecute, control, destroy, and which people not to?

01:08:01.000 Who makes those decisions?

01:08:02.000 How do they implement it?

01:08:03.000 How do they orchestrate it?

01:08:05.000 When are they going to do it again?

01:08:06.000 To what purpose?

01:08:07.000 That's my kind of fascination.

01:08:09.000 But I think my fascination, at least, whilst it's somewhat solipsistic, narcissistic, and obviously personal, I suppose to a degree everything that all of us doing is.

01:08:17.000 I think it has the advantage too of that it's target our people with power or institutions with power.

01:08:24.000 Like if people don't want migration, I get it and I understand, and I it's not even an argument I'm super interested in.

01:08:30.000 What I'm saying is, by definition, those people are not powerful.

01:08:33.000 And when you gave the example of Mandarin, Mamdani or whatever, that that's a sort of an anomalous occasion.

01:08:38.000 And I know that you couldn't one does make the argument they're a drain on resources, schools, try getting a doctor's appointment, all those arguments.

01:08:44.000 That's still not the kind of power of George Soros, Bill Gates, institutions that transcend national power.

01:08:51.000 And that's what I I feel like if we focus on that, we'll be able to change the world.

01:08:55.000 And if we focus on migration, we'll just create more and more continual tension.

01:08:59.000 That's what I I truly believe.

01:09:02.000 But those are the people who are supporting the people like Mam Dami and others.

01:09:05.000 So it's a vicious cycle, right?

01:09:07.000 Because they want you to be focused on them.

01:09:10.000 But, you know, we've been focused on people like Soros and Bill Gates for years, and we know how bad they are.

01:09:15.000 President Trump has said how bad they are.

01:09:17.000 And now we have Bill Gates sitting right next to Melania Trump and President Trump at the White House.

01:09:22.000 So you can only get so far with focusing your energy on the bad guys, and then one day the bad guys are sitting next to the president of the United States acting like nothing ever happened.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, it's pretty intense.

01:09:36.000 It's pretty exhausting.

01:09:37.000 It's a bit blackpilling, isn't it?

01:09:39.000 So we are we'll sit here and I mean it is kind of interesting how President Trump himself, right, focused his energies on Zuckerberg and uh uh Tim Tim Cook.

01:09:49.000 I mean, look at everybody there.

01:09:50.000 I think everybody at the table who had dinner with President Trump has been the victim.

01:09:54.000 I say victim, they're not really victims, but they've been the focus of his ire at some point over the last 10 years.

01:10:02.000 And now they're all having dinner and a grand old time at the White House as if nothing happened.

01:10:07.000 So that's why I don't necessarily think that it's beneficial to only focus on these people.

01:10:13.000 Because what I've come to realize is that everybody has a price.

01:10:17.000 And I'm not saying that you can buy President Trump, but everybody in big tech has a price that they're willing to pay, right?

01:10:27.000 Zuckerberg cut a couple million dollar checks.

01:10:30.000 Uh Sam Altman cut a couple million cut a couple million dollar checks.

01:10:33.000 Microsoft cut a couple million dollar checks.

01:10:36.000 Bill Gates cut a couple million dollar checks.

01:10:38.000 Everybody has a price that they're willing to pay to sit at the table and to pretend like their ideology or the damage that they have caused for decades in our country and all around the world, never happened.

01:10:52.000 Right?

01:10:53.000 I mean, you never saw President Trump bring it up during this dinner.

01:10:55.000 He's publicly called out Zuckerberg for stealing the election and censoring him.

01:11:00.000 Zuckerberg deplatformed Donald Trump on January 8th, a sitting United States president and had him banned on social media for years, and yet he's sitting next to him joking with them as if nothing ever happened.

01:11:10.000 And so that's why I don't necessarily think it's a best use of our time to not focus on issues like migration and Islam and you know all of these things that we care about and instead focus on the big tech executives because there's no accountability.

01:11:26.000 Nobody's going to jail.

01:11:27.000 I mean, we're eight months into the Trump administration, and instead of sending these people to get me or prosecuting them for censoring people during COVID or stealing the election or uh selling our data to the Chinese.

01:11:39.000 They're sitting in the White House joking and laughing with a president of the United States, and none of them are facing charges by the DOJ.

01:11:46.000 So what does that make you feel I hear you?

01:11:49.000 I hear you actually, Laura, and I'm actually pretty sympathetic to that because I know that you have uh like at least it's reported, I don't know at all, but it's reported, and it seems like you have a degree of intimacy And influence with Trump.

01:12:01.000 So how do you feel when the reality of power, the president's power means that type of compromise is inevitable?

01:12:11.000 What does that make you feel about the nature of that power and even Trump?

01:12:16.000 Well, I have a proximity to President Trump.

01:12:19.000 I would say that we're friends, and you know, we get along well.

01:12:24.000 I wouldn't say that there's a level of intimacy.

01:12:26.000 Those are lies that have been perpetuated by Bill Maher who I'm currently, yeah.

01:12:30.000 I'm suing Bill Maher right now for 150 million dollars because he falsely accused me of having an affair with President Trump.

01:12:38.000 He actually said that the reason why President Trump invited me to the presidential debate uh two years uh one year ago tomorrow, actually, tomorrow would have been uh September 10th, uh, is because he says that, oh, well, they must be sleeping together.

01:12:52.000 So that's pretty absurd.

01:12:54.000 That's sexist, actually.

01:12:56.000 And like Bill Maher's going to be a progressive.

01:12:59.000 And I'm not one to really use those words, but you know, I'm not a hypersexual person in that sense, and my relationship with President Trump has always been professional and it's always been based off of my ability to, you know, do my investigative reporting and the fact that he likes my investigative reporting.

01:13:17.000 I think that my reporting has been very useful to him.

01:13:19.000 I exposed a lot of the law fair against him during the 2024 presidential election, the primary.

01:13:26.000 And so look, I mean, I'm not going to agree with everything the president does.

01:13:31.000 I think that I agree with about 95% of what he does, and I'm an avid supporter and I'm a loyal supporter.

01:13:37.000 Uh, but look, it's the elephant in the room when it comes to the big tech executives.

01:13:41.000 And I think that everybody in the MAGA base, there wasn't a single person who voted for President Trump who was happy to see President Trump having dinner with people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg and uh and uh the head of Microsoft.

01:13:54.000 So it's it's it's just coming to terms with the fact that look, he's the leader of the free world.

01:14:01.000 And I think that sometimes I I came to terms with this when you went to Qatar.

01:14:06.000 Very unsavory individuals, but uh the leader of the free world sometimes has to wine and dine and have discussions and be diplomatic uh with bad people, with bad people.

01:14:18.000 And it's just a reality of what it means to be president of the United States.

01:14:24.000 It doesn't mean that I'm not going to support the president anymore just because he had dinner with Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates.

01:14:29.000 Uh, but I think it's also important for us to not push revisionist history, and it's important for us to remind the president and remind the everyday person that these people have contributed to um I mean, some people would and have accused Bill Gates of genocide.

01:14:44.000 They've accused him of uh population control and sterilizing people for profit and trying to kill off our food supply and kill off our farmland and look at what Zuckerberg did.

01:14:56.000 How many people died during COVID because they didn't have access to ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine because he censored the information, right?

01:15:02.000 Uh these people have committed real crimes and people have died and countries have truly been impacted uh for the worst.

01:15:10.000 The course of history as we know it has been impacted for the worse.

01:15:14.000 Who knows if Biden would have ever been president had it not been for Facebook and Twitter censoring information about Hunter Biden's laptop?

01:15:21.000 And so it's really important that we don't allow these people to get off the hook.

01:15:25.000 But, you know, it it is true that I do have proximity to the president.

01:15:29.000 And, you know, I I don't I don't uh I don't exploit that influence or that proximity.

01:15:36.000 I use it for the greater good.

01:15:38.000 I use it to carry out my vetting operations.

01:15:40.000 I like to independently vet bad actors in the administration.

01:15:45.000 I like to break stories about Biden holdovers, Obama holdovers, people who are working against the president inside the administration.

01:15:53.000 And I know that I've earned a lot of enemies and the media, you know, is obsessed with talking about it on a daily basis, but it's doing a service for society and it's doing a service for the president, a service that the people who are actually paid to work for him should be doing, but clearly aren't.

01:16:08.000 Hey, you know, like that uh insinuation of Bill Mars, which will suing him for frankly, it sounds like too much money, 150 million dollars.

01:16:16.000 But that's um, you know, as you said, and I agree, it's misogynistic.

01:16:21.000 And isn't it interesting that that's one of the sort of ideas that the liberal left encircles the idea that women being Uh condemned or dismissed or identified primarily with their sexuality and their sexual attributes or the physical at least attributes, e.g., beauty is uh patriarchal and misogynistic and hateful.

01:16:43.000 It's interesting that's in the mix.

01:16:44.000 Also interested in me that you so said I'm not a hypersexual person, just like that, just sort of off the bat was really interesting.

01:16:50.000 And also what I'm intrigued by because I because I'm not.

01:16:55.000 I mean, maybe it's a little like TMI, like too much information, but you kind of become a little bit asexual when you uh are as addicted to your work as I am.

01:17:06.000 And so I think it's always really funny when I get and I I don't know.

01:17:10.000 I mean, I can't speak for you, of course.

01:17:12.000 Obviously, your sexual habits have drastically changed since uh since you found God, um, and you're very open about it.

01:17:19.000 Um, but you know, I do think it's interesting that the accusations of sexual misconduct against you that have been used to derail you and silence you only came after you started being more politically outspoken, especially in the aftermath of the COVID lockdown.

01:17:35.000 So uh to your point earlier about how there's always an underlying purpose and the the censorship or the attacks serve, you know, a purpose for somebody in control who wants to shape a narrative.

01:17:50.000 I agree with you.

01:17:51.000 It's always interesting when I monitor the way the media attacks me and the things that they say about me as a way to delegitimize me because it's serving a purpose for a higher power, whether it be the deep state or you know, whoever it may be.

01:18:05.000 Um, I also find it fascinating how the media picks their targets and how they polarize their targets and focus on their targets um as a way to create narratives.

01:18:16.000 And I think that that's what Bill Maher was really trying to do too.

01:18:20.000 I think that he was trying to use me as a wedge to interfere in the election and obviously try to sabotage my per professional professional prospects and try to humiliate both myself and President Trump.

01:18:35.000 But also if you can convince enough people that somebody is a whore or somebody is having an affair or somebody uh is not really smart and they're in their position because they're having sex with someone, you're able to undermine their credibility so that people don't take what they say seriously and so that they don't take their influence or their power seriously as well.

01:18:57.000 And uh I think that there's a very, you know, strategic way that these operators in the media go about what they do and the things that they say about people because they do want to delegitimize the information.

01:19:09.000 They don't want people to believe that I am a credible source of information, because that's going to mean that the president agrees with what I say and that the president finds truth and validity in what I'm saying, and that's why people are getting fired.

01:19:23.000 So that's why they constantly have to lead in every single attack that they, you know, push out against me on TV or in the papers on a daily basis.

01:19:32.000 Conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer, 9-11 denier Laura Loomer, because they want to shock people's conscience with things that are that are unforgivable or almost unbelievable, which is why they falsely accuse you of being a rapist, right?

01:19:50.000 I mean, what is more unconscionable than being a rapist?

01:19:53.000 What is more unconscionable than denying that people died in 9-11 or calling somebody a school shooting denier, even though these are not true attacks.

01:20:04.000 Obviously, you're not a rapist.

01:20:06.000 Obviously, I'm not a 9-11 denier.

01:20:08.000 Obviously, you know, I didn't have an affair with the president of the United States.

01:20:14.000 Uh, but you they say things that are so shocking because, well, they can't, they can't counter your truth.

01:20:22.000 They can't counter your receipts.

01:20:24.000 And I've just kind of accepted, I think that's going to be my reality.

01:20:29.000 I do think that they're never gonna let me in on the inside.

01:20:34.000 And they're never going to accept the fact that the president does, you know, pay attention to what I say, and he does appreciate the information that I give him or the information that I provide his administration.

01:20:48.000 And they're never going to accept that as a legitimate source of truth.

01:20:53.000 I think that's what one of the reasons why they refuse to call me a journalist, even though I'm breaking stories on a daily basis, scooping the mainstream Media that end up getting reported by the mainstream media, but you never see them invite me on the networks to talk about my stories.

01:21:06.000 Because in order for them to uh villainize me, they have to delegitimize me as a real journalist.

01:21:13.000 They can't allow anybody to actually believe for one second that I am a real investigative journalist, or else their entire narrative collapses.

01:21:22.000 So it's not a good idea.

01:21:23.000 I'm grateful that President Trump has, you know, continue to receive information and uh, you know, seek out my guidance occasionally.

01:21:31.000 I never want to speak for the president and never want to overstate my, you know, so-called influence.

01:21:36.000 Um, but you know, it's uh it's not easy.

01:21:42.000 That's for sure.

01:21:43.000 The the fact that the attacks took that form is deeply hypocritical.

01:21:47.000 It's interesting talking to you because you obviously are very striking looking, but also over the hour, it's comes clearly you're sort of a kind of uh intense nerd.

01:21:56.000 And because of that people like that is the kind of quality that you would attribute to almost any journalist, but because of the distraction of your physical appearance and their puerile inability to bypass that, which if it was coming from the other side, they'd be all over, man.

01:22:12.000 I thought that when I like with Marjorie Taylor Green, I thought, oh, Marjorie Taylor Green, the way they're attacking her, is actually misogynistic.

01:22:19.000 And if Marjorie Taylor Green was on the other side, that'd be all over her as a kind of like, you know, well, woman from a normal background that's sort of plucky and sticks up for herself.

01:22:29.000 I'm make these points to illustrate that there is no integrity to what they're saying, uh, whether it's like they're, you know, Black Lives Matter, trans, whatever.

01:22:38.000 They don't care about that.

01:22:39.000 It maybe there are people within the organization that deeply care about those subjects, but they are simply being utilized to mask the true intentions of that uh set of powerful interests.

01:22:50.000 Uh Laura, do you ever say that too because uh one of their favorite attacks is using photoshopped images of me.

01:22:58.000 And and you mentioned uh how they support the trans movement.

01:23:01.000 My one of the funniest examples of the hypocrisy is they they they show this photo and they've actually been called out for it.

01:23:07.000 CNN actually had to apologize because they aired this photo on air and you know, they they admitted that it was photoshopped.

01:23:14.000 They use this crazy photo of me that looks like the purge mask, and they want to make it look like I've had enormous amounts of plastic surgery and that, you know, my face is plastic.

01:23:23.000 And you'll see people that say things like, oh, she looks trans and plastic.

01:23:28.000 And I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, well, hold on a second.

01:23:31.000 Aren't you guys in love with the trans movements?

01:23:33.000 Like, aren't you the people like shoving these people down our throat?

01:23:36.000 So you see how they quickly use it as an insult and you can quickly see how they don't really believe in these groups that they say they support because they're very quick to use these terms as an insult against people on the right, just as you said.

01:23:49.000 So again, I agree with you.

01:23:51.000 It's all rooted in hypocrisy, but but uh I I just think that at the end of the day, you know, somebody somebody once told me you can be the juiciest, sweetest, most round, perfect peach in the world.

01:24:10.000 But there's always going to be somebody who hates peaches, right?

01:24:14.000 You're not gonna satisfy anybody.

01:24:16.000 I mean, it doesn't matter if I'm posting about saving animals and rescuing dogs.

01:24:20.000 Oh, you're an evil person.

01:24:22.000 You rescued a pit bull.

01:24:23.000 What is wrong with you?

01:24:23.000 You're saving a pit bull.

01:24:25.000 There's always gonna be something that people find problematic with what you're doing.

01:24:29.000 And so after a while, and I'm sure you probably resonate with this too, you kind of just don't really give a shit anymore, right?

01:24:35.000 You kind of just don't really give a shit anymore because how many times can you be criticized for, you know, just being you on a daily basis before you just don't really care anymore?

01:24:46.000 So you reach that point where you accept it, you accept your reality, you accept that people are gonna be saying things about you, you kind of accept that you're going to be hated no matter what you do because of the career path that you've chosen or the things that you say or the people who you're affiliated with.

01:25:04.000 And that's just kind of your reality.

01:25:06.000 And I don't know.

01:25:09.000 I guess I just I've I've accepted my fate.

01:25:13.000 Maybe it sounds a little uh a little dark, but I'm just focused on results.

01:25:18.000 And I've said to the media countless times over, I kind of just play for an audience of one.

01:25:22.000 I mean, I'm really just trying to support President Trump and his administration.

01:25:26.000 And I'm very well aware of the fact that in the next 3.5 Years, there's probably not going to be another Trump administration.

01:25:32.000 Who knows that the Republicans are even going to be in control.

01:25:35.000 But, you know, everybody has a purpose.

01:25:38.000 And I think that everybody, with the exception of probably President Trump, is irreplaceable in some capacity.

01:25:46.000 And you just have to find a way to maximize your use as an individual on this planet before your time is up.

01:25:53.000 Because you never know when it's going to be your last day.

01:25:56.000 You never know when it's going to be your last day.

01:25:59.000 And you could do a lot of things in life, or you could do nothing at all in your life.

01:26:04.000 But I think that one of the worst things you could do in life is being useless.

01:26:08.000 And so if I'm useful to people right now for the sake of, you know, assisting them and their agenda, so be it, right?

01:26:16.000 I think that everybody in some capacity is a means to an end.

01:26:21.000 And you have to find the fulfillment in being useful for a purpose that's greater than yourself.

01:26:29.000 And that's what I tell people when they don't understand why I'm able to do what I do or why I'm so fixated on uh on what I do or why I spend so much time on these so-called altercations or confrontations or these public spats.

01:26:45.000 It's because I really do believe in what I'm doing.

01:26:48.000 I really do believe that what I'm doing is advancing it is advancing Western civilization and is providing opportunities and a future for other people who either aren't capable of being this outspoken or aren't willing to be this outspoken.

01:27:06.000 Yeah, you're really um fulfilling your purpose and you're really being Laura Loomer.

01:27:12.000 Thank you very much for coming on the show and spending some time with me.

01:27:17.000 Now that I know that we're neighbors, maybe we can do something else.

01:27:21.000 Why don't we do something that's for the other thing?

01:27:23.000 I have no idea we were neighbors.

01:27:25.000 It's ridiculous.

01:27:27.000 I'd love to come come see you and grab some lunch or chat with you even further.

01:27:32.000 We can make some more content.

01:27:33.000 I I don't really know many people in this uh this neck of the woods, but um what an interesting coincidence.

01:27:40.000 It's really odd.

01:27:41.000 I never meet anyone that's from around here except for when I am actually here.

01:27:45.000 It's an unusual place, it's an unusual place to be.

01:27:48.000 I've got so much more to ask you about.

01:27:50.000 And um we'll we'll have this conversation, we'll have a conversation again, I hope.

01:27:54.000 And in the meantime, I'm praying for you and uh for your uh relationship and for your peace and for your groundedness and for uh the for comfort for you.

01:28:05.000 And it's lovely to speak with you.

01:28:07.000 Thanks a lot.

01:28:08.000 Yeah, I really appreciate you having me on.

01:28:10.000 Thank you.

01:28:10.000 And well, thanks for watching us today.

01:28:15.000 We will be back next Monday, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:28:18.000 Remember, if you've got Rumble Premium, there's all sorts of stuff.

01:28:20.000 And remember to watch out for our correspondent at those protests in the UK this Saturday, September the 13th, the Tommy Robinson march in the UK.

01:28:30.000 It's probably got a proper name and stuff.

01:28:31.000 Anyway, we got my mate Joe going there.

01:28:33.000 You will have seen that in the watch along.

01:28:34.000 Very funny watch along, but very beautiful watch alone.

01:28:37.000 So uh check that out if you haven't seen it yet.

01:28:38.000 And on Monday, we'll be talking about that protest.

01:28:42.000 See you then, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 12, 2025

Laura Loomer: The Most Banned Woman in the World - SF632

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