Stay Free - Russel Brand - LIVE AT RNC: Eric Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy, Marjorie Taylor Greene EXCLUSIVE! | TRUMP'S MAGA VP Pick - 408

00:00:00.000 So, so

00:00:20.000 so so

00:13:55.000 We all are going to see the future.

00:13:57.000 We are going to see the future.

00:14:10.000 Russell Brand, to be at the Republican National Convention just days after an assassination attempt on Donald Trump

00:14:17.000 feels like being at the center of the world.

00:14:20.000 Only in Milwaukee right now could you be taking a stroll down the street and run into JD Vance just moments after speaking to the

00:14:30.000 editor-in-chief at the Atlanta Voice.

00:14:32.000 Surely this is a moment of cataclysm, change, ascendancy and alteration across your great nation.

00:14:39.000 I want to start by saying if you came here from the Bongino army, welcome.

00:14:44.000 Thank you.

00:14:45.000 Kick off your boots and your fatigues.

00:14:47.000 Relax.

00:14:48.000 You'll find this an easier drill here.

00:14:48.000 Unwind.

00:14:51.000 No assault courses and no martial work.

00:14:54.000 Just genuine, gentle, languid, angley and relaxation.

00:14:59.000 But still, as I said when I was with Dan just a moment ago, this is an opportunity for you.

00:15:04.000 To disclose and be proud of your doubt and cynicism when it comes to establishment power.

00:15:10.000 This is an opportunity for us to talk about what it means to be a patriot in 2024.

00:15:16.000 What does it mean to look for unity and togetherness and genuine change at a time where we are seeing conspiracy theory abound?

00:15:25.000 Not just in the alternative media spaces where we've become kind of accustomed to the rhetoric of conspiracy theory, here we have learned and have long time been cynical and suspicious of establishment mainstream narratives.

00:15:37.000 We've long known that you can't trust institutions of power, whether that's the judiciary or the media, and increasingly every system of government has become less reliable, more and more an institution regarded as one of enmity rather than alliance.

00:15:53.000 But guess what we're seeing now?

00:15:55.000 If you go to another platform, and don't leave me for a second right now, you will see conspiracy theories being discussed on the left.

00:16:02.000 People saying that, hmm, did Trump sack his entire security detail just a couple of weeks before?

00:16:08.000 Spaces where if during the pandemic you'd said, I'm not sure about this vaccine, you would have been ultimately incarcerated, particularly if you were in Australia or Canada or New Zealand.

00:16:17.000 Suddenly now, they are open to alternative narratives.

00:16:20.000 You know me, or unless you're from the Bongino army, you may not.

00:16:23.000 You know me.

00:16:24.000 What my belief is, this is surely the time for us to transcend these institutions.

00:16:29.000 This is the time for us to move beyond bipartisan politics.

00:16:32.000 This is an opportunity for a great awakening.

00:16:35.000 I felt it myself in all places today.

00:16:38.000 The streets of Milwaukee.

00:16:40.000 As I walk down the street and I've met the newly anointed VP, presumably, because there ain't been an election just yet.

00:16:48.000 Fingers crossed that there will be one.

00:16:50.000 And I saw in J.D.

00:16:51.000 Vance the many facets of the man.

00:16:54.000 The obvious and evident truth that this is the anointing of a MAGA candidate.

00:17:00.000 The United States and the Republican Party, full MAGA jacket now.

00:17:04.000 No VP choice to appeal to the Republican old guard.

00:17:08.000 No VP choice about calling in potential Democrat voters.

00:17:12.000 But which J.D.

00:17:13.000 Vance will it ultimately be?

00:17:15.000 Will it be the man who's a self-built autodidact From out of the middle of nowhere, grown up in a shack to Harvard, become a lawyer?

00:17:25.000 Or will it be the J.D.

00:17:26.000 Vance that was initially suspicious and cynical about the MAGA movement and Trump?

00:17:31.000 Or will it be some new incarnation of J.D.

00:17:34.000 Vance that might possibly participate in a new blooming of a new United States of America?

00:17:41.000 Because you know elsewhere, in the adjacent silos where people have different political perspectives, this is seen as a kind of calcifying of the MAGA movement, and many people are deeply afraid.

00:17:54.000 The inhabitants and denizens of the legacy media burrows are terrified.

00:18:00.000 Whether that's Joe Scarborough, whether that's Joy Reid, all those that have long participated in incendiary rhetoric of vilification are beginning to sense that change is coming.

00:18:13.000 You'll be familiar by now with this press memo, right?

00:18:15.000 Where the legacy media were instructed how to report on this story.

00:18:20.000 Don't call it an assassination attempt.

00:18:24.000 Don't say a shooting targeting Trump at the rally.

00:18:26.000 Wasn't that an extraordinary moment?

00:18:28.000 Well, now there is an attempt to reassert the narratives that preceded this event.

00:18:35.000 And I've got to tell you, to be at the RNC in the midst of all of this, is fascinating indeed.

00:18:41.000 I've not watched this yet because one of the people I've been curious about and appreciating and understanding the perspective of and one of the sort of strong voices should we say of the liberal establishment has been Joy Reid and I've just wondered How someone that has so strongly embraced the hysteria and demonization of Donald Trump will have adjusted to this moment.

00:19:04.000 We'll be talking about all of that a little later, but first we're being joined by Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:19:09.000 Let's talk about Vivek Ramaswamy, long fancied as a potential VP himself.

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00:20:56.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, who will be speaking tonight.

00:20:58.000 Is it 8.30 you're speaking tonight, Vivek?

00:21:01.000 Eastern time.

00:21:01.000 Yeah, right after 8.30.

00:21:03.000 Can you tell me what exactly is you're addressing?

00:21:06.000 If you're able to concentrate, because some of you won't know that we're in the very same space as Dan Bongino.

00:21:11.000 I think it's fun.

00:21:12.000 Yeah, you're happy over there?

00:21:13.000 Because he's rallying and marshalling his army continually.

00:21:16.000 But Vivek, I want to talk to you about, firstly, the general climate of this convention during a time of extraordinary, if not crisis, then transition for the party.

00:21:27.000 Can you tell me what... I'm an outsider here.

00:21:29.000 I'm not from your country.

00:21:31.000 I'm not a part of this political movement, even though much of your campaign was built on anti-establishment rhetoric.

00:21:37.000 by sense now that you are becoming a very much a sort of cherished figure of the inner

00:21:42.000 circle of the Republican Party. How does that alter your perspective on the establishment?

00:21:47.000 And do you think that the appointment of J.D. Vance means that this party is now full MAGA

00:21:51.000 and that you no longer have the same concerns about what you previously called the Republican

00:21:55.000 Party establishment and your concerns about its funding?

00:21:58.000 Yes, look, I think that the Republican Party, even as of right now, is certainly not the

00:22:03.000 Republican Party of 20 years ago.

00:22:05.000 It even wasn't the same.

00:22:06.000 It quite literally isn't the Republican Party of last year.

00:22:08.000 There's different people who are running it.

00:22:09.000 There's different people who are in charge.

00:22:12.000 And I think Donald Trump's confirmation, as it more formally happened yesterday as the nominee with J.D.

00:22:17.000 Vance as the VP, but also even if you just think about the character of what this party has become, I think is aligned with what I think our policy vision should be for the future.

00:22:27.000 Do I agree with every single aspect of what every other Republican says?

00:22:30.000 No, of course not.

00:22:31.000 But part of what, you know, I've tried to bring to the culture of this party, and I think J.D.

00:22:36.000 Vance is actually really good in this regard too, is to say that we don't have to agree on everything, but what we do need to have is the space to at least be honest with each other, to actually openly share.

00:22:45.000 Here's our beliefs, whether it's a particular question around aid to Ukraine, whether it's a particular domestic policy question.

00:22:51.000 I'll actually tell you what I think one of the most interesting rifts is going to be going forward.

00:22:55.000 But we need a culture within the Republican Party that provides that space for vigorous debate.

00:23:01.000 And that's a good example for the rest of the country, too, because that's something we miss in America, is we used to have a country where you could disagree like hell at the dinner table and still have dinner at the end of it.

00:23:12.000 We've missed that for about 20 years.

00:23:14.000 I think Americans are hungry for it, and the best way for the Republican Party to lead the way is to demonstrate that even within the party, we have room for that.

00:23:22.000 I miss that good faith discourse that you describe, where it was possible to disagree with people, but recognize that ultimately we have a kind of shared conviviality, but we are ultimately unified.

00:23:32.000 Yes, I like that word, conviviality, because it's not that it's like, okay, we disagree a little bit, but we still kind of agree.

00:23:37.000 I mean disagree vehemently.

00:23:37.000 No, no, no.

00:23:39.000 Disagree like hell.

00:23:40.000 But still actually form some of our greatest friendships around that.

00:23:44.000 For me, actually, they are.

00:23:45.000 Some of my best friends from a long time ago are people who did not have the same views as me.

00:23:49.000 But that's actually what caused us to be more deep in our friendship.

00:23:53.000 I wonder, Vivek, if part of the toxicity of our culture is the way that it divides and almost forbids people from different political positions to form alliances.

00:24:02.000 I sense that there's a real fear about that.

00:24:04.000 If I may pivot slightly, mate, I wonder how you feel about The emergence in online spaces now of conspiracy theories from both sides around the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

00:24:15.000 A lot of people questioning the nature of the security and suggesting that the conditions were created for the shooter to have an advantageous position.

00:24:22.000 But then on the other side, on the left, people are... Honestly, I've seen it myself, suggesting that this is a sort of an in-house false flag event.

00:24:29.000 And when it happened, I thought, I bet we'll see people on the establishment left Now saying, aha, this is a conspiracy theory.

00:24:37.000 What is the difference between the kind of healthy debate that you're describing, where people can sort of talk together about creating a unified country at a time when it's needed, and this ongoing absolute suspicion of everything, where some people think, oh, this is another CIA assassination, where people think, oh, Trump has done this as part of a political maneuver, and how do we ever bring about unity when there is such disparity?

00:24:57.000 Yeah, so a couple different tracks here.

00:24:59.000 One is, do I believe that Whether or not I agree with what you say, whether or not what you have to say is ridiculous, whether or not what you have to say is offensive, do I believe that you in the United States of America should have the right to say it?

00:25:11.000 Let's just start with those basic table stakes.

00:25:12.000 I do.

00:25:13.000 I think that the beauty of free speech, people ask, well, people ask, what about yelling fire in a crowded theater?

00:25:19.000 What about threatening somebody?

00:25:20.000 Here's the basic litmus test I use.

00:25:22.000 Because constitutional law can get very complicated.

00:25:24.000 But if you want to make it really simple, here's how I distill it down.

00:25:27.000 Free speech in America means that any opinion Can be expressed.

00:25:33.000 So you can't sell somebody something that's poison and label it as a medicine that's going to cure them.

00:25:38.000 That's fraud.

00:25:39.000 You can't come in and say that I am going to kill you and brandish a gun at you while you're doing it and expect that not to be a crime. 0.92

00:25:45.000 That's not the expression of an opinion.

00:25:47.000 But any opinion gets to be expressed no matter how heinous or no matter how off base it is.

00:25:53.000 Now, that's just table stakes.

00:25:54.000 Now the question is, just because you have the right to express an opinion does not mean that you are doing good by expressing that opinion.

00:25:59.000 It's a kind of pollution, right?

00:26:01.000 People worry about carbon emissions.

00:26:02.000 I worry sometimes about verbal emissions, right?

00:26:05.000 I don't think that we should forcibly stop people from expressing their opinion, but it does a disservice to our discourse when people are discharging their own impulse rather than actually engaging in a truth-seeking behavior.

00:26:20.000 So that's where I draw the line, I draw a fork in the road.

00:26:23.000 Because I think there are people who are authentically going to go outside the Overton window because they want to seek truth.

00:26:28.000 And then there are people who are really just engaging in a kind of personal impulse, like a discharge, right?

00:26:35.000 The discharge of oral diarrhea or the equivalent of a disgusting, you know, Disgusting bodily fluid-like ejection of words, right, is not helpful.

00:26:46.000 I understand. 0.76

00:26:46.000 That's a distinction I draw. 0.76

00:26:47.000 A kind of involuntary ejaculation of almost psychic trauma, because to watch what's happening in the space online now, and I'm fascinated and grateful, in fact, that in addition to the great platform we're on now, Rumble, there is a platform like X, because I think a pre-Elon X would have certainly censored much of what I've seen on X since the assassination attempt.

00:27:10.000 People saying he shouldn't have been able to get to that building.

00:27:11.000 Why has this kid got no social media footprint?

00:27:13.000 Who's that woman in the black hat in the background? 1.00

00:27:15.000 Why were the Secret Service moving people immediately prior to the event?

00:27:19.000 But what we're sort of seeing now and what I think is extraordinary in this environment of mistrust and this impulsive discharge where people are almost incapable of addressing what their own alliances, their own bigotry and own biases contribute to the conversation is An inability to really discern what is true here.

00:27:37.000 And I wonder what you feel, particularly with your great preemptive and predictive ability.

00:27:41.000 You were the first person that said that Biden won't even be the candidate and I know that you maintain that.

00:27:45.000 What do you think, how do you feel this conversation around the assassination attempt will unfold?

00:27:51.000 Will people say secret services have been remiss in this instance?

00:27:55.000 Will people ultimately conclude that there is ulterior involvement?

00:27:58.000 Or will people start to question whether or not there was involvement of the Trump campaign?

00:28:05.000 How do you think those narratives will unfold, Vivek?

00:28:09.000 I don't think that that type of, I would say, Speculation for the sake of speculation is super helpful.

00:28:18.000 I think if I'm to go where I see in the convention here, like I'm just here on the ground, right?

00:28:22.000 So give you kind of the pulse of where I think people are at outside of the online sphere.

00:28:26.000 Because I think there is a bifurcation here.

00:28:28.000 And I think as there isn't so much a modern life between what we see as internet dialogue behind

00:28:35.000 avatars of people who are not really Expressing their own opinion with the with the attached

00:28:40.000 accountability of who they are versus people in the real world

00:28:43.000 What I'm what I'm seeing here in the 3d real world is slightly different for what people are taking away from

00:28:49.000 the last three days is I'll say what I think needs to be done

00:28:54.000 We need to get transparency of how this kind of Secret Service failure could have happened,

00:28:57.000 how this type of security failure could have happened.

00:28:59.000 There needs to be accountability.

00:29:00.000 There needs to be transparency around that.

00:29:02.000 This is a moment for transparency, not for hiding the ball, because Americans are so jaded from having been lied to.

00:29:08.000 But there's a separate thing going on, which I think is actually, personally, at least

00:29:11.000 right now, from where my head space is, I find more interesting, which is there is a

00:29:17.000 hunger right now more than I have seen in 20 years for national unity in the United

00:29:23.000 States of America.

00:29:24.000 Like, people actually want it.

00:29:26.000 Now, do they have permission to admit it?

00:29:27.000 That's a separate question.

00:29:28.000 And there are a lot of complicated forces that actually might stop someone from being

00:29:31.000 able to admit it.

00:29:32.000 The media is eager to sort of write a paper-thin version of this.

00:29:36.000 I'm not talking about some fake national unity.

00:29:38.000 I don't want some fake, artificial, astroturf version of this.

00:29:41.000 But I'm talking about the deeper, real thing, where if that had been literally one centimeter

00:29:47.000 on a path that was different in a different direction, a hair's breadth of a difference,

00:29:51.000 that would have been a seismic change for the worst, not only in U.S.

00:29:55.000 national history, but in world history.

00:29:58.000 And so if you're rare in one of these rare occasions, given this chance, 9-11 was a chance that many people said, okay, the United States of America was united on the back of 9-11.

00:30:05.000 Well, that was a tragedy.

00:30:08.000 This was a near tragedy.

00:30:09.000 And I don't want to take away from the importance of the one family who did die, but this was a near national tragedy for the U.S.

00:30:15.000 history.

00:30:16.000 And so I think this is one of those moments where I hope people feel a civic sense of responsibility to take a step back and say, I think I care about the United States of America, but why?

00:30:26.000 And understand that.

00:30:27.000 And I think that that's what I'm most interested in right now is watching a little bit of the evolution of a lot of people here, I think I'm feeling it on the ground here, who are hungry for that kind of national unity but are a little bit constrained in the context of an election to actually be able to step up and say it.

00:30:45.000 Which I find fascinating because I think there's a lot of psychological forces that constrain people from being able to admit it.

00:30:51.000 But I think they're hungry too.

00:30:52.000 I think you're right about that desire for unity, but when I think about how much fracture and conflict there's been in the last 4, 8, 12, 16 years...

00:31:01.000 It seems difficult to imagine that that kind of unity can be achieved without decentralization, without acknowledging that there now appear to be several simultaneous Americas being run in silo.

00:31:13.000 If you just take a few notable pundits, the kind of pundits that might have been considered to have contributed to the incendiary atmosphere that possibly could have fueled someone to think that an assassination attempt would be a positive contribution to American political life, Where does that rhetoric go now?

00:31:31.000 Where does the kind of amplified hysteria of, and I'm just using one example, Joy Reid, but Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe, where is that going to go?

00:31:40.000 How is that going to be alchemised into unity without significant decentralisation?

00:31:46.000 What happens to liberal voices?

00:31:48.000 What happens to the voices that you might regard as woke?

00:31:51.000 How are those people afforded territory when it seems, let's be honest, that a Republican victory is likely, very likely in November now?

00:32:00.000 Yeah, so I think that there is a fork in the road ahead for both parties, actually.

00:32:06.000 The short term fork in the road for the Democrats is a tough one.

00:32:08.000 Because Biden has built his entire message so far around the histrionics about Trump and the threat that he poses to the future of American democracy.

00:32:16.000 Well, he's now said that he wants to tone down the rhetoric.

00:32:19.000 But then if he goes the other way, he doesn't have a campaign message left.

00:32:19.000 That's fine.

00:32:22.000 Yes.

00:32:22.000 So personally, I believe that's one more reason probably the most Compelling reason why it's not gonna be Biden people cited the debate and I've said this for a long time But people say that that on the back of the debate I think actually even more compelling reason is he does not have a campaign message left If he goes one way, he's violating his own message to tone down the rhetoric if he goes the other way He doesn't have a campaign message left now there's a fork in the road for the Republicans to the fork in the road for the Republicans is Do we want to?

00:32:50.000 Co-opt the administrative state and the levers of power to advance our own agenda?

00:32:57.000 Or do we want to shut down and dismantle that apparatus altogether?

00:33:02.000 And I think that that's an interesting fork in the road ahead for the conservative movement.

00:33:05.000 And I think there are a diversity of voices in the Republican Party, even in the America First movement, on that question.

00:33:10.000 I come down in a more what I call national libertarian direction.

00:33:14.000 That's different than a national protectionist direction.

00:33:17.000 But I think the question is, do we want a muscular federal bureaucracy to achieve good for American workers and manufacturers?

00:33:24.000 Or do we want actually a dismantling of the administrative state that I think was the source of that cancer in the first place?

00:33:31.000 So I think both parties face our forks in the road.

00:33:33.000 The Democrats' fork in the road plays out over the next four months.

00:33:36.000 The Republican fork in the road, I think, plays out over the next four years.

00:33:39.000 But the good news is I hope the Republican Party is now in a place where we can have those types of debates within the Republican Party in an earnest way, in a respectful way.

00:33:49.000 You know, one of the things I like about J.D.

00:33:50.000 Vance, for example, who was selected as Vice President, I've known him for...

00:33:54.000 Over a decade, we went to law school together.

00:33:57.000 I grew up in southwest Ohio, maybe 10 minutes from where he grew up.

00:34:01.000 He and I don't agree on every particular policy, but we actually spend most of our time, we agree on 90% of things, but on 10% of things we don't, we actually spend most of our time talking about the areas where we disagree, and where there's daylight, at least sharpening what the other person thinks by actually pushing each other to be the best version of ourselves.

00:34:20.000 I think that we live in a moment, both within the Republican Party and the country, where we could revive that part of our old culture.

00:34:27.000 Now, as it relates to the Republican Party, I gave a speech on this recently and I am a strong proponent of keeping our eye on the ball of what I call the shut-it-down agenda.

00:34:37.000 That fourth branch of government, the unelected bureaucrats, the kinds of things I talked about during the presidential campaign.

00:34:42.000 I think there will be a temptation To say that we want to use those levers to achieve conservative ends or our own ends.

00:34:50.000 And I think the original sin was the existence of that administrative managerial apparatus, that bureaucratic class in the first place.

00:34:57.000 And so my own perspective is that we need to get in there and actually be laser focused and principled about actually shutting it down.

00:35:05.000 And I think that's going to be a healthy discourse within the Republican Party going forward.

00:35:10.000 Yes, I think that's an excellent diagnosis when you offer us those two fissures, the fissures within the Democrat Party movement and within the Republican Party, and therefore likely government.

00:35:19.000 And it's interesting how you describe J.D.

00:35:21.000 Vance's position within that.

00:35:23.000 My particular interest... I think he's going to be a great vice president, as just a model of a leader that somebody who's...

00:35:30.000 Forget about the content of the views, but somebody who's energetic, and somebody who is actually an original thinker, instead of somebody just reciting the slogans that somebody handed them to say.

00:35:39.000 I think we need more of that in politics.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, it's a pretty extraordinary story.

00:35:42.000 As I wasn't aware until recently about the book he wrote, and how it made him a movie, and his humble origins.

00:35:49.000 All of those things are pretty fascinating to me.

00:35:51.000 But do you imagine that the same energy will be applied to the influence of corporatism and in particular the

00:35:59.000 commercial power that I think you and I have discussed before as being sort of representative of kind of

00:36:03.000 global forces or at least forces that are somehow transcendent of American national interests. Do

00:36:08.000 you think that the same kind of opposition will be applied to confront that aspect of

00:36:13.000 global power as will be applied to the, in your view at least it seems, the dismantling of

00:36:21.000 government power?

00:36:22.000 Well those two things go together, right. So as you know I am passionate about making sure that

00:36:27.000 we end the culture of capture in frankly the government of not only the United States of

00:36:32.000 America but many western democracies today as we know it.

00:36:36.000 The node that they use to do it is that administrative state.

00:36:40.000 So if you dismantle the administrative state, right, and by the administrative state, I mean the people who are never elected to their positions, but the bureaucrats who are actually setting policy, that's the lever that they use to capture the government in terms of outside interests, corrupting influences. And so once we get to that head of

00:36:57.000 the snake, shut down what you call the deep state, the administrative

00:37:00.000 state, the shadow government, the fourth branch of government, whatever you want to call

00:37:03.000 it. The people who were never elected to run the government, who are actually running the

00:37:06.000 government.

00:37:07.000 They're talking about four million federal bureaucrats right there. People talk about

00:37:10.000 the mass deportation of millions of illegals from the United States.

00:37:13.000 Well, one of the mass deportations we really need to talk about is the mass deportation of millions of illegal federal bureaucrats out of Washington, D.C.

00:37:21.000 That is actually the wedge, the entry point For corruption in the United States of America.

00:37:27.000 So once we get rid of that, you stimulate the economy, you bring back the lifeblood of our constitutional republic, but you also end the most dangerous node of corruption in the first place.

00:37:36.000 Now I favor other things too.

00:37:38.000 I don't think congressmen should be allowed to be lobbyists for, I would say ever, but at least 10 years until after they've left office.

00:37:43.000 So there's other changes that we need to make.

00:37:45.000 It's not the only one.

00:37:46.000 But go to the head of the snake, the root cause.

00:37:49.000 It is the administrative state, the managerial class, the culture of bureaucracy, the unelecteds who are wielding power as though they were elected.

00:37:57.000 Shut that down and we will have, I think, a A beautiful national revival in this country.

00:38:03.000 And I know they're going to pull me out in a second to go to the next event, the convention.

00:38:07.000 I did not want to miss meeting you in person.

00:38:10.000 I'm so glad.

00:38:11.000 I'm so glad that we had this opportunity.

00:38:14.000 Please, obviously, leave whenever you have to.

00:38:16.000 But while I still have you, sir...

00:38:18.000 I might ask, when we talk about restrictions on Congress people becoming lobbyists, why would we not offer people in Congress should not be able to invest in stocks and shares of companies that they regulate, and that the profession of lobbying itself ought be, if not significantly curtailed, ended altogether?

00:38:37.000 Why would we afford that?

00:38:41.000 I don't know how close you were following the campaign.

00:38:43.000 If you were following the campaign closely, you've heard me say exactly these kinds of things all the way through the course of the campaign.

00:38:47.000 That's exactly where my heart is.

00:38:48.000 Now, ending lobbying altogether at a certain point...

00:38:48.000 Wow.

00:38:51.000 I believe in free speech, right?

00:38:53.000 So anybody should be able to talk to a legislator and express what their own opinions are without somebody saying, oh, well, you had some self-interest at stake or whatever.

00:39:01.000 But what I, what I dislike is the massive influence of mega money on American politics.

00:39:05.000 I think that's been a toxic force.

00:39:07.000 And one of the ways they're able to do that is at least if you have, I mean, let's just start with what's going to be achievable.

00:39:12.000 At least 10 years, 10 years is a long time.

00:39:14.000 10 years between the time you were in office before you could go back and have those kinds of conversations on behalf of a third party.

00:39:19.000 I think that would help a lot.

00:39:20.000 So you and I both share a vision of the ideal state, and I think you're doing your job well by continuing to open up conversations that politicians are afraid to have.

00:39:32.000 The lane that I'm occupying is one where I want to translate some of those visions into reality, so that these aren't just from the realms of conversation, but how do we actually translate that into reality?

00:39:41.000 There's a role for both.

00:39:43.000 Both are essential.

00:39:45.000 But I just think that when I say, okay, yeah, I mean, I would want to end everything that could potentially have a corrupting influence altogether, but without having any adverse consequences or side effects of that, you know, ideally, that'd be the ideal state.

00:39:55.000 But in the meantime, let's get to the next milestone of, you know what, if we had a law

00:39:58.000 in this country that said nobody who served in elected office or in the federal government

00:40:02.000 could lobby that same federal government for at least 10 years after they leave, that would

00:40:05.000 be a step forward.

00:40:06.000 If we fire millions of federal bureaucrats and thin down the administrative states so

00:40:10.000 the people who we elect to run the government are the ones, whether they're Democrats or

00:40:14.000 Republicans, at least the ones we elect are the ones actually making the laws, rather

00:40:17.000 than unelected bureaucrats, that would be an improvement, a massive improvement. 0.99

00:40:21.000 And so those are some of the areas, especially that latter one, where I'm going to be laser

00:40:25.000 focused.

00:40:26.000 And I think that if we do it, I think we're going to lay the groundwork for saving this

00:40:30.000 Well, Vivek, thank you so much for your time, and thank you for your ongoing contributions to this conversation, and for your clarity of thought, and your ability to pull together all of these complex ideas, and I've found so much that I can learn from and benefit from in these conversations, and I appreciate you, and I wish you all of the best with the rest of this convention.

00:40:46.000 I'm excited to see you tonight, just after 8.30, you'll be able to see Vivek speaking live, and If we are slightly more mature, I'll give you a few words to drop in.

00:40:55.000 Vivek, thanks, man.

00:40:56.000 Take it easy.

00:40:57.000 See you later.

00:40:58.000 Now then.

00:40:59.000 Aha! 0.94

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00:41:30.000 I'll be back in a minute with a few reflections on my conversation with Vivek and indeed what's going on in this room.

00:41:36.000 Because I can see Dan Bongino talking Marjorie Taylor Greene just over there.

00:41:39.000 I'm just sort of having to just relax on a banquette.

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00:41:44.000 I leave pot everywhere.

00:41:45.000 That's going to give humans the impression they're supposed to... Use it! 0.85

00:41:50.000 Use it!

00:41:50.000 Now I have to create Republicans.

00:41:56.000 And God wept.

00:41:57.000 Now I have to create Republicans.

00:42:03.000 And God wept.

00:42:05.000 They say that it's a common refrain to reflect on what would Bill Hicks say now?

00:42:12.000 What would he be saying now?

00:42:14.000 What would he be saying about the surveillance?

00:42:15.000 What would he be saying about the censorship?

00:42:17.000 What would he be saying about the corruption, the wars?

00:42:20.000 What would he have said about COVID?

00:42:22.000 I suppose that's what heroes are supposed to do, is they're supposed to not be a tool

00:42:28.000 to berate or flagellate yourself, like, oh my god, Bill Hicks would have done amazing

00:42:32.000 stuff during COVID, but sort of go, hold on!

00:42:40.000 So consider joining us over there in the midst of the Republican National Convention.

00:42:46.000 Part circus, part trade fair, an extraordinary moment in American history where we have to for ourselves discern the difference between authenticity and spin continually.

00:42:58.000 One of the things that's very strange to experience is the sort of changing dynamics within media.

00:43:04.000 Because I can tell you one thing, you get the sense that independent media There's now significantly position for dominance just when you walk around the space.

00:43:13.000 There's a place called, I think it's called the Media Mile or something.

00:43:17.000 We're in the middle of a stadium right now.

00:43:19.000 And over there are the booths of the Daily Wire and Benny Johnson.

00:43:24.000 I've yet to see any of the kind of CNN booths or the various legacy media booths.

00:43:31.000 It's so extraordinary to be in the midst of this.

00:43:33.000 Because you know, is that, you know that in the midst of this, That we are just having that because I mean really what I could do is a live commentary on Marjorie Taylor Greene over there.

00:43:44.000 I mean like Marjorie Taylor Greene's talking to Dan Bongino.

00:43:47.000 It's just literally happening over there.

00:43:50.000 I want to talk to her because do you know what I really liked about Marjorie Taylor Greene when she went like that and you felt she when she you little prick what did you do to those beagles? 0.99

00:43:58.000 Do you remember that?

00:43:59.000 I want to talk about that stuff. 1.00

00:44:01.000 I hate that little bastard! 0.99

00:44:03.000 And like, you feel like, you know, as I said at the time, if she was on the different side of the aisle, she'd be spoken of as a kind of feminist icon. 1.00

00:44:11.000 But because she's sort of like a right-wing figure, she's sort of detested in legacy media circles. 0.98

00:44:17.000 She fascinates me.

00:44:18.000 I'm very interested to see her over there.

00:44:20.000 Anyway, look, I guess what we're trying to understand culturally, what we're trying to diagnose as best we can is How is the Republican movement and the Republican National Convention in the immediate aftermath of an assassination attempt on Donald Trump?

00:44:33.000 How do the various occupants, whether they're political figures or media figures, find their orientation?

00:44:40.000 How do they reposition themselves in this weird new landscape that presumably is going to lead to election?

00:44:46.000 I want to say hello to some of the members of our community.

00:44:49.000 Someone said, hard hat Sam.

00:44:50.000 What do you mean, get her?

00:44:51.000 I mean, I can possibly politely invite her, but I can't very much lasso her when she's talking to Dan Bongino.

00:44:58.000 I mean, look, there are probably areas where I might feel comfortable in some sort of conflict with Dan Bongino.

00:45:04.000 Say, if we were doing a sudoku, or a crossword, or, you know, sort of maybe juggling.

00:45:10.000 But I think hand-to-hand combat would be one of the areas where I might yield to Dan Bongino, just on the basis of, he looks like he was I ran into him in the bathrooms over there.

00:45:22.000 I thought, how many urinals away from Dan Bongino is it polite to stand?

00:45:27.000 I went for five urinals away from Dan Bongino.

00:45:32.000 Now, please, someone says here, please stick to politics, religion is divisive.

00:45:35.000 Oh man, politics is divisive though, isn't it?

00:45:37.000 I mean, it's just such a...

00:45:39.000 Extraordinarily divisive time, and that's one of the things that I want to talk to you lot about a little bit.

00:45:45.000 Like, if you watch a lot of Alex Jones, and over the years I've watched a bunch of him, you'll be so aware of how often Alex Jones's extraordinary predictions, you're gonna have to at some point start calling them prophecies, come true.

00:45:58.000 9-11.

00:45:59.000 Assassination attempt now.

00:46:00.000 Did you see that sort of pastor who went like, um, he's gonna get shot in the ear?

00:46:04.000 I mean, It seems like something quasi-religious and mythic is happening in American politics.

00:46:11.000 For some people it will be like an easy ride to go on because you will have lifelong affiliations with particular political movements.

00:46:18.000 But if you're someone that's an outsider like me watching this...

00:46:21.000 It's so extraordinary to watch something that seems archetypal unfold in real time.

00:46:27.000 So sort of that image, the image of the flag and the blood, what is happening in this country right now?

00:46:35.000 And where will it lead?

00:46:36.000 And how will, as I mentioned to you before, and as I sort of approached with Vivek Ramaswamy, I feel bad for continually using Joy Reid as the example, it's just she's the sort of, in a way, the best example, along with perhaps Joe Scarborough.

00:46:48.000 Of someone who constantly participated in the amplification and demonization of Trump as madman and proto-fascist, that has likely led to the conditions which have led to this assassination attempt, if you're not going to entertain conspiracy theories from either side.

00:47:03.000 And how will they repo now?

00:47:05.000 How will Joe Scarborough, for example, go, well, I don't know, it seems that I was wrong about this, or it seems that me continually comparing people to Hitler has had a negative effect?

00:47:15.000 Or how will they campaign, as Vivek Ramaswamy said?

00:47:18.000 That's the point.

00:47:18.000 I'd heard Vivek make that point before.

00:47:20.000 How...

00:47:21.000 Can the Democrats, particularly under Biden, continue to campaign on the basis that if you don't vote for Joe Biden, you're voting for fascism?

00:47:30.000 Now that this extraordinary event has taken place, they're going to have to dial down that rhetoric, and that rhetoric was all they had.

00:47:37.000 One good thing that's come from this is that Bobby Kennedy finally has a security detail.

00:47:42.000 That's one good thing.

00:47:43.000 What I'm really interested in seeing now is how will the culture, in particular the legacy media culture, which is irrelevant in terms of its broadcasting and reporting, certainly to you and I, but it's still, I would say, a good way of taking the temperature of where the culture is.

00:48:01.000 Let's have a look at the Let me see this.

00:48:05.000 Let's start with Morning Joe, which has been pulled.

00:48:09.000 They couldn't even put Morning Joe on anymore.

00:48:10.000 It's like reality couldn't handle Morning Joe.

00:48:13.000 We can't have that guy on the TV!

00:48:15.000 Not after this!

00:48:16.000 And you know why that is.

00:48:18.000 Just to remind us for a minute, let's have a look at the kind of things that Joe Scarborough, that's his surname, isn't it?

00:48:24.000 Let's have a look at the kind of things that Morning Joe Scarborough himself has been saying.

00:48:29.000 for many a long month, and how that contributes to a climate of hysteria.

00:48:34.000 Listen, if they voted for Trump in 16, whatever.

00:48:38.000 They voted for Trump in 20, they knew exactly what they were doing. 0.55

00:48:42.000 If they vote for Donald Trump in 2024, they're knowingly voting for a fascist. 0.95

00:48:49.000 They're voting for a racist.

00:48:52.000 They're voting for somebody that wants to put this country 200 years in the back.

00:49:00.000 His supporters have no excuse anymore.

00:49:04.000 There is no excuse. 1.00

00:49:05.000 He is a racist. 1.00

00:49:07.000 He is blatant about his racism. 1.00

00:49:09.000 He is not using a dog whistle to send out his racist messages.

00:49:14.000 He is using a foghorn.

00:49:18.000 Denying that he knows who David Duke is, denying that he knows that the KKK was a malignant force in American history, equating neo-Nazis and white supremacists to democratic protesters, trying to undo democratic progress across Europe.

00:49:37.000 You cannot support this man.

00:49:40.000 You're attacking the media.

00:49:41.000 You're employing the same language that Stalin used, calling the media enemies of the people.

00:49:46.000 You're making outrageous racist comments in Charlottesville.

00:49:50.000 You're making outrageous racist comments in the White House.

00:49:53.000 You're denying those.

00:49:55.000 And you just send out a flurry of outrageous tweets every day.

00:49:58.000 It is what dictators use. 0.85

00:50:00.000 I'm not calling Donald Trump a dictator, but it is what autocrats use.

00:50:04.000 Dictators have done a long time.

00:50:06.000 It's what Hitler and all of Hitler's people and I'm not comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler just like Flake wasn't comparing him to Stalin. 0.87

00:50:16.000 Donald Trump is continuing to tell us and with more rapidity That he is an autocrat, and if he takes power again, he will be an autocrat.

00:50:29.000 And this worshipping of Hitler's power, just like this worshipping of President Xi, just like this worshipping of Kim Jong-un, just like this worshipping of Vladimir Putin, it all comes from the same disturbing place. 0.65

00:50:42.000 He has an anti-American bent to authoritarianism.

00:50:47.000 So, I think there's two lanes here.

00:50:49.000 There's the number one, it's morning in America, it's never been better here.

00:50:53.000 In contrast, Donald Trump, nighttime in America. 0.93

00:50:56.000 And start to use the F-word, the fascist word.

00:50:59.000 Don't just say democracy is hanging on a thread. 0.82

00:51:01.000 Say, you will be a, we will be a fascist state.

00:51:05.000 Start putting cutting commercials together with Mussolini in it, with Hitler in it. 0.67

00:51:09.000 I know everybody's going, oh you can't do that, you can't do that.

00:51:11.000 We will become a fascist state.

00:51:12.000 Use the F-word for Donald Trump, morning in America for Joe Biden.

00:51:16.000 The statement that the ex-president made, as I said, is part of a pattern.

00:51:22.000 He was in favor of keeping up the Confederate monuments.

00:51:25.000 He talked about, back in the day, when somebody said something to him about David Duke, but he didn't really know, but he took his hat.

00:51:31.000 He talked about, in Charlottesville, there being both sides to that issue.

00:51:35.000 This is a tip of the hat to white supremacy and white nationalism, which is unfortunately There's a difference between conservatism, radicalism, and fascism.

00:51:42.000 This is fascism.

00:51:43.000 to show you what in the world he's going to do if he gets elected again. He's

00:51:46.000 already told you he's going to be a dictator for the day.

00:51:49.000 He wants to make sure that as the president he could order seal team six to 0.92

00:51:53.000 go shoot political opponents. There's a difference between conservatism, 0.57

00:51:57.000 radicalism, and fascism. This is fascism. This is the Times quotes an

00:52:05.000 expert on the topic. Fascism is generally understood and this is boilerplate

00:52:09.000 stuff really for what fascism is.

00:52:11.000 Fascism is generally understood as an authoritarian for right system of government in which hyper nationalism is a central component.

00:52:18.000 Check.

00:52:19.000 It also features a cult of personality around a strong man leader.

00:52:24.000 Check.

00:52:24.000 The justification of violence or retribution against opponents.

00:52:28.000 Check.

00:52:28.000 And the repeated denigration of the rule of law.

00:52:32.000 Check.

00:52:32.000 Said Peter Hayes, a historian who has studied the rights of fascism.

00:52:36.000 Past fascist leaders appealed to a sense of victimhood to justify their actions.

00:52:42.000 Check.

00:52:43.000 We're entitled because we've been robbed.

00:52:45.000 We've been victimized.

00:52:47.000 We've been cheated and robbed.

00:52:48.000 Robbed. Check. Check. Check.

00:52:56.000 We're back.

00:52:58.000 Yeah, we live?

00:52:58.000 I'm here.

00:52:59.000 Yep.

00:52:59.000 We're with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:53:01.000 Marjorie, I know you don't have very long.

00:53:02.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:53:04.000 Absolutely.

00:53:04.000 I'm thrilled to be here.

00:53:05.000 I want to go straight to the question I most wanted to ask you.

00:53:07.000 It's this one, right?

00:53:09.000 When I saw you taking down Anthony Fauci and showing him those pictures of the beagles and everything, I thought that if this was a woman who the narrative suited, you'd be held up as, oh look at this, a strong woman attacking the patriarchy, a woman having a confrontation with Antony Fauci.

00:53:25.000 But because that's not the appropriate narrative, it seems that you're sort of attacked by the liberal establishment on the basis, and I've been watching it for a while, of a kind of assumption that someone with your accent, and I'm assuming background, shouldn't be allowed into a position of power.

00:53:38.000 Is that sometimes how it feels to you?

00:53:39.000 Do you feel that you're not afforded the credibility and kudos that women within different political movements would be given?

00:53:46.000 Oh, I think you're dead on.

00:53:47.000 So speaking of the patriarchy, let's talk about that for a minute.

00:53:50.000 I see the patriarchy as the system in place that only allows certain voices.

00:53:55.000 Because it's the voices that they want to be heard, the voices that they want to elevate.

00:54:00.000 And these voices have basically destroyed all of our lives on a global level.

00:54:05.000 These voices have hurt hard-working people.

00:54:07.000 These voices have torn apart families.

00:54:11.000 These voices have divided us, taught us to hate one another.

00:54:16.000 And these voices are the powerful elites.

00:54:18.000 These voices are the globalists.

00:54:19.000 These voices are the governments.

00:54:21.000 That literally are working together to control and hurt people all over the world.

00:54:27.000 And yeah, so I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, I'll just say it like this.

00:54:30.000 Say it.

00:54:31.000 Can I say it? 1.00

00:54:32.000 Fuck the patriarchy. 1.00

00:54:32.000 Yes. 1.00

00:54:33.000 Because that's honestly where we are today.

00:54:36.000 Right? 1.00

00:54:36.000 No, fuck them. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Fuck them, Marjorie, I say. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:39.000 No, absolutely.

00:54:40.000 There are many differences between your country and my country, I reckon.

00:54:43.000 But one of the things that I've noticed a lot is like liberal politics has clearly started to hate working class people.

00:54:48.000 They've tried to find a variety of ways of masking that, amplifying their connection to particular causes that seem to be supportive of minorities.

00:54:55.000 But what I sense is when they actually are confronted with a working class person, or a person from a normal background, they don't like them. 0.69

00:55:01.000 They don't want them to have a voice.

00:55:02.000 They don't want them to be open.

00:55:03.000 Unless those people are participating in their narratives, they loathe them.

00:55:07.000 What is this?

00:55:08.000 And when did that happen?

00:55:09.000 When in your country did, like, the politics of the, let's call it establishment left, neoliberal left, start to be hateful of ordinary working people?

00:55:19.000 You've asked the perfect question.

00:55:21.000 Let's get down to a granular level.

00:55:23.000 Hardworking people actually accomplish things every single day that people in power are not capable of doing.

00:55:28.000 Hardworking people are able to solve problems.

00:55:31.000 They serve their customers.

00:55:33.000 They keep their businesses going.

00:55:34.000 They're able to keep a roof over their family's head and provide for their children.

00:55:38.000 But people in power only receive that paycheck.

00:55:41.000 They only have that power that they have based on that government position or the elevated

00:55:47.000 position that they've been able to wiggle their way into, but they don't deserve it.

00:55:51.000 And so they marginalize the hardworking people because they're honestly jealous of them,

00:55:55.000 and they can't be them.

00:55:57.000 The people I know in my district, my family, my friends, people that have worked in my

00:56:02.000 construction company all my life because I grew up in it and it's my family business,

00:56:07.000 These are people I respect far more than anyone serving in government.

00:56:11.000 Anyone that receives that paycheck because they're an unelected bureaucrat, but yet they hold power and weld it over people and actually hurt hard-working Americans every single day.

00:56:23.000 I think the answer to your question is the powerful elites could never be Be the hardworking people.

00:56:32.000 They're not.

00:56:33.000 They're not them.

00:56:33.000 I think you're right about that.

00:56:34.000 Marjorie, do you believe that the Republican movement, which will presumably now be elected in November under Trump and Vance, will be able to represent the interests of all working people, regardless of culture or class, well not class, but in particular working people, And of all cultures and classes, and of both sexes.

00:56:54.000 Do you think that they will be able to represent them in the way that those people believe?

00:56:59.000 Or do you think that the Republican Party movement will similarly be co-opted by the kind of commercial interests and financial interests that have dominated politics, institutional politics, for, you know, for many, many years, perhaps always?

00:57:12.000 Well, you're asking someone who I repeatedly attack my own party because I ran for Congress because I was more angry at Republicans than I was at Democrats.

00:57:21.000 I know what Democrats are.

00:57:22.000 They tell us every day and they actually follow through and they get their job done for their policy positions.

00:57:27.000 Republicans have failed over and over again.

00:57:29.000 I was an angry Republican voter when I decided to run for Congress because I was sick and tired of the failures of my party.

00:57:36.000 And I am here purely for one goal, to change the Republican Party to actually be a party for the people and serve the American people, to secure our borders, to protect the worker, to protect the family, to protect our God-given freedoms.

00:57:52.000 And I'm telling you, I think people can expect more failure from the Republican Party, but we have to fight it, and we have to fight it to change it, and we have to continually push the problem people out until we're able to get it to a point where it's actually serving people.

00:58:07.000 Marjorie, can I ask you this important question, I think?

00:58:09.000 As well as the problem of border security and sovereignty because of the obvious impact that it has on a nation's infrastructure and the competition it creates for lower-wage jobs, I wonder if you are similarly concerned about the impact of global corporatism on the American economy.

00:58:26.000 And let me just give you one off-the-top-of-my-head example.

00:58:28.000 It seems that the Ukraine war particularly facilitates and benefits the military-industrial complex and that any post-war Ukraine situation might benefit BlackRock.

00:58:38.000 Is that the kind of thing that a Republican Party ought be standing against?

00:58:42.000 Ensuring that BlackRock, Vanguard, can't from behind the scenes run the world.

00:58:46.000 And is it possible?

00:58:47.000 And in a way, isn't that a greater threat than even something that I know that many,

00:58:51.000 most of my audience care a lot about, and I know that you care about, immigration.

00:58:55.000 Isn't that a bigger threat to American sovereignty and to the lives of ordinary Americans?

00:58:59.000 It's a genuine question.

00:59:00.000 It's truly one of the greatest threats to democracy.

00:59:03.000 You know, I'm from a rural district, and all the small towns in my district,

00:59:07.000 they have closed down factories that loom like skeletons over our small towns,

00:59:13.000 almost like graveyards.

00:59:15.000 And the heartbreaking effect on these small towns is, you know, the decades and decades of sending our manufacturing jobs overseas, really for corporate greed, so the people at the top could make all the money, and the people at the bottom lost their jobs.

00:59:30.000 I'll tell you what the result was, Russell.

00:59:32.000 It's heartbreaking, but I think this is probably, you know, all over the world, is in these small towns, when dad lost his job because the factory closed, he went home and was jobless.

00:59:44.000 And then over time, what happened?

00:59:47.000 Mom and dad start fighting.

00:59:48.000 And then dad's an alcoholic because he can't find another job because there's no other opportunities in the small town that we live in.

00:59:54.000 And then what happens next?

00:59:56.000 Mom and dad are fighting, there's alcoholism, divorce happens, and then a family is ripped apart, and then you go on some more years. 1.00

01:00:04.000 Maybe their son, maybe an uncle or a cousin has to go off and serve in some stupid fucking foreign war that completely radically changes them forever. 0.97

01:00:14.000 And then they're addicted to drugs because of painkillers and they can't sleep at night because of the dreams that they have and the nightmares and they can't get rid of them. 1.00

01:00:21.000 And then they come home changed back to that small town where there's not an opportunity, there's no more jobs because of the corporate bastards That basically sought higher profit margins. 0.91

01:00:34.000 And I get that because I'm a business owner. 0.97

01:00:36.000 Everybody wants higher profit margins.

01:00:38.000 But they went over for slave labor and all these other countries so that they could increase their profit margins.

01:00:43.000 But what they did is they destroyed our dollar.

01:00:46.000 But in doing so, they really destroyed the heart of America.

01:00:49.000 And that's these little small towns that are scattered everywhere, like the ones where I live.

01:00:53.000 And it's heartbreaking.

01:00:54.000 Marjorie, does America have to have a vision that goes beyond a kind of economic vision based sort of on America first, bringing back manufacturing and bringing back industry?

01:01:03.000 Because when you describe that, you're describing a spiritual crisis, it sounds like to me.

01:01:07.000 You're describing a country that has lost its way.

01:01:09.000 Do you think it's part of the function of good leadership in America to provide that kind of spiritual vision, to ensure that there's a revivification and a re-sacralization?

01:01:18.000 Of America, and American domestic life, and American public life.

01:01:22.000 Because that's one of the things I've noticed.

01:01:23.000 There's something somehow godless about America lately, and maybe even a point sort of demonic, I've almost sensed.

01:01:29.000 But would you say that it is the role of government, when you continually discuss the reducing of government because of the corruption of bureaucracies, what then is the function of government?

01:01:38.000 Is it simply managerial, and let people get on with their own bloody lives?

01:01:41.000 Or does America have a responsibility to provide some kind of spiritual vision?

01:01:44.000 Because what you're describing sounds like a spiritual crisis.

01:01:47.000 I think it is a spiritual crisis.

01:01:49.000 I think my role as a member of the House of Representatives is I don't need to pass any more legislation to create more government.

01:01:57.000 My role as a member of Congress should be reducing government.

01:02:01.000 We're a nation at $35 trillion in debt and shame on America.

01:02:06.000 Shame on our government.

01:02:07.000 What a horrific assault on the American people.

01:02:11.000 And it has destroyed our country in ways that's unbelievable.

01:02:14.000 It's destroyed our opportunities.

01:02:16.000 Inflation has driven the cost of food to be unbearable.

01:02:20.000 Senior citizens are choosing between rent and being able to pay for their medications. 0.91

01:02:24.000 And then, you know, instead of being able to be a stay-at-home mom, many moms are working, and then moms and dads are working multiple jobs to afford just to be able to feed their kids. 0.98

01:02:34.000 Yeah, this is the government's fault, and it is spiritual, though.

01:02:38.000 It is spiritual.

01:02:39.000 And here's why.

01:02:39.000 Look at the ways of the federal government.

01:02:42.000 Look at the things they sell to the world.

01:02:44.000 In order to take our money, you know, foreign countries, if you want our money, if you want us to give it to you, You have to accept the fact that transgenders need to be elevated in your country. 1.00

01:02:54.000 You need to accept the fact that we're going to push abortion on pregnant women in your country. 1.00

01:02:58.000 You need to accept the fact that we're going to push an agenda on your people that you don't believe on.

01:03:03.000 And that's because that's the agenda that has been promoted and pushed on the American people.

01:03:09.000 And it's all completely evil.

01:03:11.000 And the whole lie, this transgender lie, that you can be as many genders as you want when there's only two, and it's male and female because we're created in the image of God, is the worst lie because it's an absolute assault on God's creation. 0.99

01:03:27.000 Which is in Genesis.

01:03:29.000 So when you ask is it spiritual, it is 100% spiritual.

01:03:34.000 And that's what is wrong here in America.

01:03:36.000 And unfortunately, that is what the government and these people that are possessed with evil are selling to the entire world.

01:03:44.000 Marjorie, I'll just say this.

01:03:45.000 As a man new in Christ myself, I feel that my first priority is to be loving and open-hearted to all people.

01:03:51.000 And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be subject to strong messaging.

01:03:55.000 And I reckon that people that do believe in transgender stuff felt that they were obligated and pressurised into roles like, this is what you have to be to be a man, this is what you have to be to be a woman.

01:04:05.000 It seems to me that there is a number of ways to be a human being, and my personal belief is in absolute freedom, even though I am a new convert to the Christian faith, and I believe in our Lord and Savior.

01:04:16.000 My priority is love, love wherever possible, and non-judgment, for if judgment was going to be part of my deal, I'd be finished.

01:04:25.000 Marjorie, I've been so happy to speak to you, because I watch you on the TV, and even as I became more open to different types of politics, you were one of my favourite people to watch, because I like the way you run your mouth.

01:04:34.000 I like the way you confront people, I like the way you shut people down, and I like the way you represent your constituency.

01:04:34.000 Thank you.

01:04:38.000 Russell, I have to add one thing.

01:04:39.000 Yes, ma'am.

01:04:40.000 Just because I identify as tall, doesn't make me tall.

01:04:43.000 I'm very short.

01:04:45.000 And so, look... But if it made you happy to identify as tall, I would walk around on my knees, Marjorie.

01:04:53.000 I love it.

01:04:54.000 Thank you.

01:04:55.000 God bless you.

01:04:55.000 Thank you.

01:04:56.000 Thanks for coming on.

01:04:56.000 Thank you so much.

01:04:57.000 You're bloody lovely.

01:04:58.000 Nice to see you.

01:04:58.000 I appreciate it.

01:04:59.000 OK.

01:05:00.000 I'd love to find more time.

01:05:01.000 Can we get in touch with Marjorie's team and Brian and everything to make sure?

01:05:04.000 That would be great.

01:05:04.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 I would talk to you forever, but it's just we're booked in with Eric Trump.

01:05:08.000 He's arrived to speak with us.

01:05:09.000 We love him.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, here he is.

01:05:11.000 There he is.

01:05:12.000 Thank you.

01:05:12.000 There is Eric Trump.

01:05:13.000 We're meeting for the first time in my life.

01:05:15.000 Marjorie, thank you so much.

01:05:16.000 I'll stand up for you, man.

01:05:18.000 Wait for us one second.

01:05:19.000 I'm just going to get Eric Trump.

01:05:20.000 Marjorie Taylor, thank you for agreeing to take the microphone.

01:05:22.000 I'll take the microphone.

01:05:24.000 Eric, I'll give you an intro while you're doing that.

01:05:30.000 Alright, so Eric Trump's over there.

01:05:32.000 He's just giving Marjorie Taylor Greene a cuddle.

01:05:35.000 Eric, please join us!

01:05:37.000 Big fan of yours.

01:05:38.000 I'm so happy to meet you!

01:05:40.000 You're my third Trump now on my journey through Trump.

01:05:44.000 I met your brother, Don.

01:05:46.000 I was lucky enough to go to his home and spend some time with him and Kimberly.

01:05:50.000 It's astonishing and I'm most grateful to be finally meeting you.

01:05:54.000 Big fan of you.

01:05:54.000 Thank you, it's good to be here.

01:05:55.000 Thank you, sir.

01:05:56.000 Like everything you stand for.

01:05:57.000 Well, I'm really, really trying my best to evolve and be as open-minded as I possibly can without, as they say, letting my mind fall out.

01:06:04.000 Now, firstly, I'd like to say your family must be in a sort of really unusual and difficult moment.

01:06:09.000 To be in the midst of the hysteria, hyperbole and excitement of a convention, having suffered such a very personal affront and assault, in which someone, of course, lost their lives, are you able even to assess how you feel on an emotional and personal level, mate?

01:06:24.000 Yeah, listen, the pendulum swings in this world in crazy ways, and I've seen that my entire life, but I've never, I don't think I've ever had a 48-hour show like that, right?

01:06:31.000 I mean, one second I'm watching my father go down, you know, blood on his face, blood on his hands, being tackled by Secret Service as gunshots ring out.

01:06:39.000 Exactly 48 hours later, I'm voting for him as a delegate in the state of Florida to become the Republican nominee for President of the United States.

01:06:46.000 I don't think you get a bigger dichotomy between You know, the feelings of not knowing if your father's dead and the feelings of making him the Republican nominee for president.

01:06:54.000 And it's, um, listen, it's crazy.

01:06:56.000 What happened should have never happened. 0.79

01:06:58.000 It's disgusting.

01:06:59.000 It was a breakdown of our system.

01:07:00.000 Um, it was a breakdown, frankly, of our government.

01:07:02.000 I mean, it's, it's disgusting to see that somebody with a rifle in modern day America could get within 130 yards of a guy, you know, who's running for president and was a former president.

01:07:11.000 Um, you know, at the same time, you know, he walked out last night and there was kind of a humbleness to him.

01:07:15.000 You could see it in his eyes.

01:07:17.000 Probably grateful in a certain way to be alive, knowing that he had the support of the full country.

01:07:23.000 The scene was beautiful.

01:07:24.000 I mean, people were chanting, fight, fight, fight, which is what he did when he got up off the stage with blood on his face.

01:07:29.000 Fight, fight, fight.

01:07:30.000 He's a remarkable guy and so proud to be his son.

01:07:33.000 Well, yeah, of course it must be a complex and extraordinary thing to be a child of Donald Trump.

01:07:41.000 In particular at this moment where now it seems all but a foregone conclusion that the Republican Party will win in November unless, as some people on the periphery of the culture claim, there might yet be further events of this nature.

01:07:56.000 Whilst it is sort of an extraordinary sort of celebration, and as you say, a kind of coming together of America, even though it would be naive of me not to acknowledge, because I go on the internet, that there are still sort of, it seems at least, because they might be small, they might be, maybe these are small vocal groups, I sometimes wonder that, constituencies of people that, people that before would never talk about conspiracy theories going, This is a staged event in which someone, of course, lost their life tragically defending and protecting their family.

01:08:26.000 It must be astonishing, and as you said, the vicissitudes of the terror of thinking you're going to lose your father to the excitement and overwhelm of seeing him officially become the Republican candidate.

01:08:38.000 Do you really believe that this party and this movement is capable of creating unity, or do you think that there might be an appetite for a kind of victorious admonishment of the vanquished?

01:08:49.000 Yeah, well, listen, I certainly hope so.

01:08:50.000 I was on CNN last night.

01:08:52.000 For me, that's walking into enemy territory, right?

01:08:54.000 Because every time I've ever gone on that network, they treat me like hell.

01:08:57.000 I went on NBC.

01:08:58.000 It was walking into enemy territory.

01:09:00.000 Every time I've ever gone on the network, same thing.

01:09:01.000 They treat me like hell.

01:09:02.000 Last night, the respect I was showing on CNN was unbelievable.

01:09:05.000 Really?

01:09:06.000 The respect I was showing by Savannah Guthrie on NBC was incredible.

01:09:10.000 And I actually said to both of them, Caitlyn Collins and Savannah, I go, wouldn't this be nice if this was a world where, like, you know, you could have real meaningful dialogue without the personal insults with it?

01:09:19.000 Like, shouldn't this really be the recipe for politics in this country?

01:09:22.000 I mean, isn't this, like, nice?

01:09:23.000 Aren't you refreshed?

01:09:24.000 I'm certainly refreshed.

01:09:25.000 And they both commented, and that was, like, the nicest, you know, one of the nicer interactions that they had had.

01:09:30.000 I would love to have that be the dialogue of this country.

01:09:32.000 It's gone way too far.

01:09:34.000 Politics has become too personal.

01:09:36.000 It's become too rough.

01:09:38.000 And hopefully this can be a reset.

01:09:40.000 That's my hope.

01:09:41.000 Now at the same time, I walked down to the floor of the convention yesterday and we get

01:09:43.000 attacked by MSNBC.

01:09:45.000 You probably saw some of those clips.

01:09:47.000 I saw that.

01:09:48.000 I mean, less than 48 hours, they're jumping down our throat talking about babies in cages

01:09:51.000 or whatever their narrative was that day.

01:09:53.000 And they couldn't help themselves.

01:09:55.000 Can you guys just stop?

01:09:56.000 Just stop for 72 hours.

01:09:59.000 Just relax.

01:10:00.000 Stop with the nonsense.

01:10:01.000 Stop with the games.

01:10:02.000 You know, it's very sad, but I hope this can truly be a turning point for this country.

01:10:06.000 I really do.

01:10:07.000 Yes, certainly the demonization of your father in the legacy media, but not only your father, because it of course in the end extended into all Americans that were supportive of your father and the MAGA movement more generally.

01:10:20.000 Has led to a kind of an unaccountable hysteria, which will continue, and indeed has continued.

01:10:27.000 Like, some people have made frivolous comments and jokes, and you would kind of expect that, and as a comedian, I would be sort of sympathetic to that.

01:10:35.000 I guess you must have developed, Eric, a kind of a thick skin.

01:10:38.000 Is that true, as to being your father's son?

01:10:41.000 Incredible.

01:10:41.000 Listen, they attacked us second.

01:10:43.000 I've never gotten so much as a parking ticket, and I've gotten 110 subpoenas.

01:10:46.000 They started attacking us relentlessly when he came down that escalator.

01:10:49.000 Every hoax, every...

01:10:50.000 Impeachment every slur you can possibly imagine they came after us with.

01:10:54.000 They tried to bankrupt him.

01:10:55.000 They tried to tear apart his family.

01:10:57.000 They tried to separate us in so many ways, right?

01:10:59.000 I mean, it's been all that war for the last eight years.

01:11:02.000 You develop a callous to it.

01:11:02.000 So yeah, you do.

01:11:04.000 Emotionally, you develop a callous.

01:11:05.000 And I'm not saying that's kind of a great thing, but I think the change is, you know, the media has tried to cover up so much.

01:11:11.000 So much. I mean, everybody saw Biden on the debate stage last week. He was a mess, right?

01:11:15.000 Yeah.

01:11:16.000 Yet the media has been telling all America that, you know, he's phenomenal.

01:11:18.000 That he's the greatest auditor since X, Y, and Z.

01:11:21.000 That he may as well be the modern day Albert Einstein, right?

01:11:24.000 And everybody knows this nonsense, right?

01:11:26.000 I mean, I think America has seen their true colors.

01:11:29.000 America has seen the media's true colors.

01:11:31.000 Honestly, you know part of your success is the fact that people can trust you because they're not being told by corporate America as to what to say.

01:11:37.000 You have your own voice with your own message being delivered the way you want to give that, and that's beautiful.

01:11:43.000 It's why mainstream is dying.

01:11:44.000 Mainstream media is dying.

01:11:46.000 You know, guys like you are picking up that entire market share because people can actually have different, diverse voices, but voices that they trust, whereas they no longer trust the media soundbites that are giving them the same nonsense.

01:11:58.000 You tune into Memphis, Tennessee, and you tune into California, and it's the exact same script being read by different people over and over and over.

01:12:05.000 People don't want to be spoon-fed anymore.

01:12:06.000 People want individual thought.

01:12:08.000 That's the premise of the United States of America.

01:12:10.000 That's the premise of our First Amendment.

01:12:13.000 I think that's changed a lot of American society.

01:12:17.000 I'm glad you brought that up, right, because it allows me to talk about myself, which really relaxes me when I can talk about myself.

01:12:23.000 Because this is what I feel, right? 0.97

01:12:25.000 I know for some time that the neoliberal establishment has been completely corrupt, that the only argument they've had is, we're going to be better than Trump, Trump is a lunatic, Trump is the new Hitler, right? 0.99

01:12:33.000 That's all they've had. 0.99

01:12:34.000 That's the only tune they've been able to play.

01:12:36.000 And over time, I've witnessed their ongoing corruption, their hypocrisy, the way that they clearly operate on behalf of the military-industrial complex and Big Pharma.

01:12:43.000 Now, what my concern is shifting to, now that I'm having more conversations, don't take this the wrong way, but like a member of the Trump family, or Marjorie Taylor Greene, or Vivek, or, you know, the very fact that I'm at the Republican National Convention is this.

01:12:54.000 Do you believe that the Republican Party, under your father and J.D.

01:12:58.000 Vance, second time round, will truly facilitate the growth of ordinary Americans of all colours, of all religions?

01:13:05.000 I know there are certain things in the Constitution that have cultural biases that appear to be towards, you know, like Thomas Paine and the founding fathers.

01:13:11.000 These are Christian people, so it's likely that as a nation it will bear that inflection, even as a secular project.

01:13:17.000 But do you truly believe that This could be America that can lift up and be open and loving and can put behind it the vitriol and the combativeness of the last four years.

01:13:27.000 Do you think it is possible?

01:13:29.000 Or do you think the machinery of the state will not afford it?

01:13:31.000 Or do you think that global corporate power will not allow it?

01:13:35.000 Or do you think that no real human being is able to deliver that kind of result?

01:13:40.000 I think that you've got a lot of factors, right?

01:13:41.000 You and I can go into the intricacies of the industrial state, the military complex, which is seriously, seriously broken.

01:13:48.000 They make a lot of money when America goes to war, and that is a real problem, right?

01:13:52.000 My father's first president didn't have a war.

01:13:54.000 He didn't.

01:13:55.000 He took us out of all wars.

01:13:56.000 And he keenly understands that game.

01:13:59.000 It's no different than Big Pharma, right?

01:14:00.000 Big Pharma.

01:14:01.000 You think they make money if their hospital beds are empty?

01:14:03.000 Of course.

01:14:03.000 Listen, I'm in the hotel business.

01:14:05.000 If I fill up our hotel rooms, I make a lot of money.

01:14:08.000 I want to go from 70% occupancy to 80% occupancy, right?

01:14:12.000 And you make all your money in that 10%, right?

01:14:14.000 Because all your costs are expensed, so everything falls down.

01:14:16.000 What do you think about Big Pharma?

01:14:18.000 Big Pharma, they make all their money if hospital beds are filled.

01:14:20.000 There are systematic problems in each of these where they want sick people, they want wars.

01:14:25.000 That's how they want this.

01:14:27.000 And there's incredible lobby machines that go on to this.

01:14:29.000 Look what Donald Trump did.

01:14:30.000 He pulled us out of all wars.

01:14:32.000 Strongest military in the history of the country, right?

01:14:34.000 But he wanted us out of the wars, right?

01:14:37.000 He wanted to fix these problems.

01:14:39.000 He also wanted to be the president that... America has a big hole in the roof right now.

01:14:43.000 You're getting invaded on the southern border.

01:14:45.000 You've got massive fentanyl problems.

01:14:46.000 I've had four friends that have lost kids to fentanyl.

01:14:48.000 You've got real problems in this country.

01:14:50.000 Everything's unaffordable.

01:14:51.000 Prices are out of control on everything.

01:14:53.000 You know, interest rates are crazy.

01:14:54.000 Inflation's been crazy.

01:14:56.000 Yeah, you have a party right now.

01:14:58.000 They want to put a little band-aid on the wall that needs to be painted in the basement when you have this big hole in the roof.

01:15:04.000 My father wants to fix the problems that are really plaguing this country.

01:15:08.000 Forget about all the other distractions.

01:15:09.000 And it seems like you have a party in there right now that's worried about all the distractions.

01:15:13.000 Should a six-foot-five female swim in men's sports? 1.00

01:15:16.000 That's literally what the conversation has been for the last year and a half.

01:15:19.000 How about the fact that 300,000 kids have died in this country based on fentanyl overdose?

01:15:25.000 Isn't that a more important conversation than whether or not one man should be able to swim in women's sports?

01:15:30.000 But there's no attention put on fentanyl.

01:15:32.000 There's no attention put on people dying.

01:15:34.000 Why is that, do you think?

01:15:36.000 Because their priorities are screwed up.

01:15:37.000 I mean, that's why it is.

01:15:38.000 Why in particular with fentanyl?

01:15:40.000 Why do you think the fentanyl aspect of the conversation is controlled?

01:15:43.000 Because when you're describing this, Eric, I think that the requirement to, for example, curtail the power of big pharma would involve, for a start, like, shutting down the control of big food.

01:15:56.000 You know, we know that Americans are eating badly.

01:15:58.000 People across the world are eating badly.

01:16:00.000 It would involve shutting down the ability of the lobbying industry, and maybe even the donor class. 0.94

01:16:06.000 Like, aren't the problems, when you say America has a hole in the roof, this is not a Band-Aid fix, it's like, it's not just secure the border, it truly is drain the swamp, and whatever happened between 2016 and 2020, a swamp draining weren't it, because Biden, in 2020, was able to almost continue business as usual, which was one of his campaign messages to the financial industry, wasn't it?

01:16:26.000 Nothing will fundamentally change.

01:16:28.000 That's why I... This is part of my own awakening to the redundancy of that neoliberal movement.

01:16:34.000 Do you think that your father will, in 2024, actually confront big pharma power?

01:16:40.000 Honestly.

01:16:40.000 Yes, I do.

01:16:41.000 Why do you think that, mate?

01:16:42.000 Isn't it a real problem?

01:16:43.000 Listen, I spent a lot of time in your country.

01:16:44.000 I know very, very well.

01:16:45.000 I have a lot of properties over there.

01:16:47.000 You look at the difference between the ingredients in a cereal in the United States versus the ingredients in a cereal in, call it the UK, or a lot of other countries around the world.

01:16:58.000 It's the same thing, it's the same brand, but they have one-tenth the amount of ingredients.

01:17:04.000 That's fantastic.

01:17:04.000 You look at the way most of the rest of... I mean, we give out medication.

01:17:08.000 We throw pill bottles at people like crazy.

01:17:10.000 I mean, I've never seen them throw, you know, gym memberships at people like crazy.

01:17:13.000 I mean, how about... how about we just start there?

01:17:14.000 How about we start at the basics?

01:17:15.000 How about we actually have a real conversation about how the food pyramid in this country is upside down?

01:17:20.000 Yes, those are conversations that need to be had, and I think he's willing to have them, but we need to fix our border.

01:17:26.000 We need to fix our economy.

01:17:27.000 We need to actually make things affordable.

01:17:29.000 We need to be energy independent again.

01:17:31.000 We're the United States of America.

01:17:32.000 We're the most strong, powerful country in the world with more resources under it, and we can do that smartly.

01:17:37.000 Let's talk about how to do that smartly, but let's bring back our power.

01:17:41.000 Let's bring back civility.

01:17:43.000 Let's focus on the problems that are really plaguing this nation and get big government out of the way of people.

01:17:48.000 No one can innovate the way America can.

01:17:50.000 They just can't.

01:17:52.000 We're a country that... Let me compare it to maybe the UK for a second.

01:17:56.000 Don't be mean about my country, though.

01:17:58.000 I'm not going to be mean about your country.

01:17:59.000 Say nice stuff.

01:18:00.000 Okay, I'm going to say very nice stuff.

01:18:00.000 We've just lost our queen!

01:18:04.000 Who, by the way, is an amazing woman.

01:18:05.000 I was there at Buckingham Palace.

01:18:08.000 Of course you were.

01:18:09.000 I've never been to Buckingham Palace.

01:18:10.000 Come on, we're going to bring you to Buckingham Palace.

01:18:11.000 You've got to give me the invite.

01:18:13.000 But you know, America was a culture that was really, during the Industrial Revolution, you know, followed the car, right?

01:18:19.000 The automobile.

01:18:19.000 Henry Ford.

01:18:21.000 If you wanted to turn out of your driveway and go left and drive 300 miles and go pull into the middle of the woods and go camping, you could do that.

01:18:27.000 If you wanted to go into the middle of a big city for dinner or to an opera, you could do that.

01:18:30.000 That's how American society was created.

01:18:33.000 You have so many other societies around the world that were really based on the train, where you got on at a certain time, at a certain location, you went one direction, you all got off together.

01:18:41.000 And those societies became very monolithic.

01:18:43.000 And I really do believe that created a unique way that Americans think.

01:18:46.000 I mean, look at this culture.

01:18:48.000 Look what we've created.

01:18:49.000 Look at the Fortune 500 companies.

01:18:51.000 Look at the innovation.

01:18:52.000 Look at putting people into space.

01:18:54.000 Look at the different programs.

01:18:57.000 Look at the aircraft we've developed and the technological advances in just about everything that we've spearheaded.

01:19:04.000 And so much of that is the innovation of kind of the American mind.

01:19:07.000 And it's sad when you see that innovation get shut down.

01:19:10.000 It's sad when you see somebody to try and, you know, put a cloth and smother kind of, you know, the best of who we are as a nation.

01:19:17.000 And I think my father wants to expand that.

01:19:20.000 You know, he wants to see those people set free.

01:19:22.000 We need another 100 Elon Musk. 0.51

01:19:23.000 You know, I mean, what they've done for society is tremendous.

01:19:27.000 You know, and that's our goal.

01:19:28.000 A hundred Elon Musks.

01:19:29.000 Can you imagine?

01:19:30.000 Can the world cope with a hundred of them?

01:19:33.000 A whole battalion of Elon Musks, innovating, owning the social media platforms, allowing free speech.

01:19:41.000 You don't think we can solve the problem of cancer?

01:19:43.000 I'm on the board, I was on the board of St.

01:19:44.000 Jude Children's Hospital for years.

01:19:45.000 We can solve the problem of cancer, there's no question about it.

01:19:49.000 You need incredible computing power, you need a lot of other things, but we can do it.

01:19:53.000 And America should lead the world.

01:19:55.000 Get government out of the way.

01:19:56.000 Government does nothing well.

01:19:58.000 Literally, protect our society, educate our society substantially better than they're educating our society, and get government out of the way and let people live their lives.

01:20:07.000 And my father wants to do that.

01:20:11.000 Bring this country together.

01:20:12.000 I mean, we love red, white, and blue.

01:20:14.000 We love patriotism.

01:20:15.000 We love what this country stands for.

01:20:16.000 We're the freest country in the world.

01:20:17.000 We've got the best constitution.

01:20:19.000 But get out of people's way.

01:20:21.000 Let them live their lives.

01:20:22.000 Let them live the American dream.

01:20:25.000 Keep them safe.

01:20:26.000 That's government's function.

01:20:27.000 Safe.

01:20:28.000 Thank you, Eric.

01:20:29.000 Eric, I'm being told that you have to leave.

01:20:31.000 It's not me.

01:20:31.000 I can stay here all day.

01:20:32.000 Come on, let's go a couple more minutes. 0.65

01:20:33.000 I'm enjoying this.

01:20:34.000 Why don't you and I just chew the facts?

01:20:36.000 I really enjoyed your metaphor system, by the way.

01:20:38.000 The difference between rail travel and automobile travel and how that would enter the sort of molecular psyche of a nation.

01:20:44.000 A nation that's built on the idea of autonomy and independence will have different forms of expression than an older and arcane nation like ours.

01:20:51.000 The oldest nation, might I say.

01:20:53.000 It's going to have like a great language.

01:20:56.000 You're welcome to that.

01:20:57.000 Have that as well.

01:20:58.000 I suppose what I feel is that ultimately we default to talking about economic and industrial and financial achievement when discussing the success of a nation because they are the easiest metrics to measure.

01:21:08.000 As your father famously said, it's a good way of keeping score.

01:21:12.000 But doesn't America at this time actually need a vision that is to some degree a spiritual one?

01:21:16.000 really the role of government, certainly the role of leadership to provide people

01:21:21.000 with a vision for America, to provide people with an idea of America that they

01:21:26.000 can participate in and indeed it seems to me Eric that there's going to be an

01:21:29.000 extraordinary task ahead because elsewhere on the peripheries of this

01:21:32.000 convention beyond the sort of unimaginable boundaries of Milwaukee

01:21:37.000 There are still people that I saw a truck today, like, oh, J.D. Vance and Trump, it's

01:21:37.000 Yeah.

01:21:41.000 going to be bad for women's rights, it's going to be bad for... 1.00

01:21:44.000 Like, that kind of stuff's going to go on for a while.

01:21:47.000 I have no respect for the establishment no more.

01:21:50.000 None. 0.95

01:21:51.000 I think it's a propagandist, filthy, corrupt set of institutions that are about tyrannizing

01:21:54.000 and lying and bureaucratizing while telling people the only threat that they need to fear 0.78

01:21:59.000 is essentially the head of your family.

01:22:01.000 But I do wonder if a second Trump term is going to bring the kind of popular changes that we are discussing.

01:22:09.000 Why are they trying to take Under God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?

01:22:11.000 Why?

01:22:12.000 Why are they trying to take In God We Trust off of all of our currency, right?

01:22:15.000 That's on all our dollar bills, right?

01:22:17.000 Why is there war on God?

01:22:18.000 Why is there war on On family structure.

01:22:21.000 Isn't family structure beautiful?

01:22:22.000 I mean, isn't having a mother and father?

01:22:23.000 And God bless.

01:22:24.000 Sometimes that can't happen.

01:22:25.000 For a whole lot of reasons.

01:22:27.000 But when you can have that, isn't that a powerful combination, having a strong family structure?

01:22:32.000 Why is there a war on that in modern society?

01:22:35.000 That shouldn't happen.

01:22:36.000 Why is so much funding trying to defund churches, trying to take away their tax-exempt status?

01:22:42.000 Why is there so much of an effort to tell priests, religious figureheads, what they can and cannot say, what's protected by free speech and what's not?

01:22:51.000 You know, why have they tried to strip my father off of Twitter and Instagram and Facebook?

01:22:56.000 Remove his free speech from society.

01:22:58.000 I mean, these are counterproductive.

01:23:01.000 These are all counterproductive to a functioning society that, you know, we should live in the freest society.

01:23:06.000 We should have massive expression of ideas.

01:23:09.000 People should be able to live their lives and do so in the ways that they want.

01:23:12.000 But for some reason, there's a lot of corporate money and there's a lot of institutions that have been weaponized against Everything.

01:23:18.000 I mean, name an institution that's not weaponized right now in the United States.

01:23:22.000 I mean, look at schools.

01:23:24.000 They're teaching revisionist history based on some crazy teacher in the classroom.

01:23:27.000 And a mom comes out and says, I don't want my kids learning that.

01:23:30.000 And the FBI tries to arrest her.

01:23:32.000 These are real problems.

01:23:33.000 Parents don't get a choice of what their kids get taught in their schools.

01:23:36.000 I mean, how about you just teach them the fundamentals?

01:23:39.000 Teach them math.

01:23:40.000 Teach them English.

01:23:40.000 Teach them history.

01:23:41.000 You know, teach them to be productive people.

01:23:43.000 Teach them work ethic and the things that actually matter.

01:23:46.000 And instead, they're getting spoon-fed nonsense.

01:23:49.000 And we've got to go back to the basics.

01:23:51.000 That's not the job of government.

01:23:53.000 If somebody has a strong belief system in something and they want to go off on their own individual path, go for it.

01:23:59.000 Do it.

01:24:00.000 But teach our children the basics.

01:24:02.000 Try and teach them values.

01:24:03.000 Teach them work ethic.

01:24:05.000 That is how America has always succeeded.

01:24:07.000 Stop with the rest of the nonsense that's counterproductive for society.

01:24:11.000 Eric, thank you so much for explaining so articulately and gently and kindly so many interesting ideas.

01:24:17.000 I particularly like the metaphor of the train and the automobile, and I also like getting a little inside window into the running of hotels.

01:24:24.000 And I'll level with you, at points during I was thinking, I bet I can get a good deal on a suite somewhere if I'm able to maintain this friendship.

01:24:31.000 Well, how about Turnberry?

01:24:31.000 We've got a great property on your side of the pond.

01:24:35.000 Yes, is that where the golf course?

01:24:37.000 Yeah, we're about the best in the world, so we're ours.

01:24:39.000 So if you want to come over there, you're my guest, you know that.

01:24:42.000 Oh, Eric, thank you so much.

01:24:43.000 I'm working on my handicap, which appears to be self-centeredness.

01:24:46.000 Eric, thank you so much, mate, for joining us today.

01:24:48.000 It was a really, really lovely conversation with you.

01:24:50.000 Thank you, sir, and thank you.

01:24:51.000 All the best to your family and to all of you enjoying this campaign.

01:24:55.000 Thank you.

01:24:55.000 Thank you, sir.

01:24:56.000 Thank you.

01:24:56.000 Well, all of you, thank you so much for joining us today.

01:24:58.000 Guess who's back tomorrow?

01:24:59.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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01:25:04.000 I'm going to be broadcasting more from inside the Republican National Convention.

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01:25:10.000 Extraordinary miraculous on Odd Resurrection.

01:25:14.000 What a day, what a time to be alive.

01:25:16.000 See you tomorrow.

01:25:17.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:25:19.000 And until then, if you can, stay free.

01:25:21.000 Many switching, switching, switching.

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